game-development

[quartz fossil]

Quite a bit.

[dawn quiver]

you said hopefully these mechanics will be useful for games in the future, will you make them yourself or get others to help you?

[quartz fossil]

Both. I'm a coder and somewhat of a writer, but I'll definitely need help from artists.

[dawn quiver]

like 3D models, pixel art, or 2D sprites?

[quartz fossil]

Depends on the project.

[dawn quiver]

that's true

I know casting call and deviantart are places to look

but that's for the future XD

[quartz fossil]

I think most of all I need people who battle-test my projects in their own games.

[dawn quiver]

yeahhhhhhh

wanna make sure what you made works first XD

that's gonna be my main problem is finding play testers for my game :/

[quartz fossil]

Well, panda3d-keybindings works pretty well for single-player games, if using Panda3D is your jam.

If you have use for behavior trees, try https://github.com/TheCheapestPixels/pychology

[dawn quiver]

I'm new to all this, so what is panda3d exactly?

[quartz fossil]

3D engine. C++ core, Python wrappers for everything, easy access to the innards of rendering, but next to no tooling.

[dawn quiver]

Ohhhh!

[quartz fossil]

https://www.panda3d.org/ and pip install panda3d

[dawn quiver]

0o0 ooh!

I think I'd tackle 3D when I'm more experienced in modelling XD I've only tinkered around with it a little bit in blender.

I was thinking if I was going to make a single player game I'd do a 2D fighter, with like a chibi art style

[quartz fossil]

Yeah, knowing people who can use Blender really helps; Too bad I'm too busy to become someone like that myself.

[dawn quiver]

same I can only do one thing at a time with my schedule T-T

[quartz fossil]

Your game doesn't have to be 3D to use Panda3D for it, BTW; You can just as well make your camera orthogonal (even that is optional), and leave all objects at y=0.

[dawn quiver]

afraid of embarrassing myself Aha! I see ;v; very good to know.

I guess having a beefy program able to render chunks would do me good when it came time for anything involving platforming.

[quartz fossil]

I think the collision detection is an even more helpful tool with that.

[dawn quiver]

I could never imagine making something complex like a platformer or even a 2D fighter by myself though XDD just the idea makes my head spin

it's exhausting enough imagining all the artwork I'm gonna have to draw for the VN on top of the programming

[quartz fossil]

Teamwork makes the dream work.

[dawn quiver]

If I had someone to help me program the game then teamwork would make the dreamwork ;v;

[quartz fossil]

Your game may not even be defined yet, but I am already working on its AI. 🙂

[dawn quiver]

?? wdym?

[quartz fossil]

Do you know how a chess AI works?

[dawn quiver]

I feel there was a sarcastic joke in there I missed

[dawn quiver]

I do not

treat me like an invalid who knows nothing and is just barely scratching the surface of computer stuff

[quartz fossil]

Okay, that makes things a bit more difficult to describe... But game AI is a topic with surprisingly not that many fundamental techniques, most of them building upon one another. And that is a mountain I'm currently tackling. I've written the Tic Tac Toe rules yesterday in a rather abstract fashion, and I'm now starting to write a search engine that will search for the best move for a player to make. I know a whole bunch of techniques to help with that, and so when I am done, I should have an AI engine that can find sensible moves for any game that can be described as a certain set of functions (which should be pretty much every game).

[dawn quiver]

oh yeah I understand what you mean by that

it's just building off of each other

I'm pretty sure I saw a few people in the programming hell reddit actually have issues with their tic tac toe AI code, gosh if you're gonna be doing that with CHESS I can't imagine the nightmares you must be having XDDD

[quartz fossil]

One technique I want to bolt onto that is Monte Carlo Tree Search. That's an evaluation function that has the interesting property of not needing to know anything about what makes for a good move to play a game. So if you can define your game as state = initial_state(), moves = legal_moves(state), winner = game_winner(state), and new_state = make_move(state, move), the AI should immediately be able to play the game somewhat sensibly.

Err, why? To me a game is just the set of those aforementioned functions (and probably a few more to encapsulate some game-specific knowledge), and I don't need to care about the specifics of those.

[dawn quiver]

ohhhh, actually when you put it like that it does seem a lot simpler ^^; I guess I figured since there are more rules and a lot more moves the AI would have to counter for against a live player it would have more problems

but with the other code you just laid out I guess it wouldn't be much more complicated than what you already mentioned

[fallow finch]

what are you trying to code

[quartz fossil]

It's a more complex games, and LOTS of techniques exist to improve any given game's AIs, but those are questions I can leave to people implementing a given specific game.

[dawn quiver]

me or him?

[fallow finch]

you

[dawn quiver]

because I had a whole question

[quartz fossil]

Who, me? Right now, search. Tree expansion, node evaluation, minimax, that kind of stuff, leading eventually into bidirectional A* search for a GOAP planner.

[fallow finch]

yeah but looks like you're talking of smth else now

[dawn quiver]

^ @fallow finch

[fallow finch]

uuuuh

lag in visual novels wtf

[quartz fossil]

...because in the end, chess and The Sims are not that unrelated. 😆

[dawn quiver]

^^; I'm new ok?...

[dawn quiver]

why is that accurate though?

[fallow finch]

i don't get the point at all

how can it lag

i don't really know visual novels but i made some games with dialogues and choice, i just had an array of booleans with "states" and each part of dialogue was a label, some choice can lead to different labels

[quartz fossil]

Both have entities that use search trees to find plans to take actions which lead to future game states that they desire.

[dawn quiver]

So when you click a choice it opens up another path in the game because of that choice, great, you get your new dialogue, but NOW you're stuck in a folder where you have to copy and paste the rest of the basic dialogue and keep building and building and making new folders to adhere to the choices.

[dawn quiver]

I know I was being sarcastic XD

well I wasn't I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic way

[fallow finch]

you have real folders on your disk for choices ?

why would you do this

[dawn quiver]

_<;; I haven't done anything YET I have like two more endings to write I was asking because I saw it somewhere else when I was learning about coding!

[fallow finch]

when i make a game with dialogs i use a boolean array with a lot of conditions in the game

[dawn quiver]

I just thought I'd get early clarification since the choices come pretty early in the game

[fallow finch]

and dialogue parts can have conditions based on the states

[dawn quiver]

how do you do that???

[fallow finch]

well the array is in the save

like, i made a game with 300 conditions + 200 conditions involving items

and dialogue/text can change depending on these booleans

[quartz fossil]

Last time I was using a Finite State Machine that used a state, and the nodes of which were functions taking that state to generate the node's representations and connectivity for that visit, but I doubt that such a jargony explanation is helpful. 🙂

[fallow finch]

just don't use real folders for choices lol

[dawn quiver]

If I squint I can understand intellectually what you're saying but applying it to coding knowledge is not my level yet XD maybe I joined this community prematurely eh?

[dawn quiver]

~v~; eheh, I'll be sure to figure it out in the next week or so when I start coding

[fallow finch]

this person is talking of things that look way more advanced than a visual novel game

[quartz fossil]

Wat I can recommend, however, to forego the visual aspect for now, and use print and input as your frontend. That frees you up to think about how you want to implement stories practically immediately.

[dawn quiver]

he is

[dawn quiver]

now THAT I do understand

[fallow finch]

i think python and the engine isnt the main thing to think of

just think of how to implement your string files

like, each dialogue part can have a label
1 - blah blah blah ; yes = goto 5, no = goto 2

[quartz fossil]

Hardcoded dict. De-/serialization is a problem for later.

[fallow finch]

no for a game with a lot of text its bad

use a json file, they can be modified manually super easily

[quartz fossil]

Yeah. But for a prototype it's not.

[fallow finch]

its better to have the right tools

[quartz fossil]

The right tools usually are available anyways. It's also important to know how to architecture things, and for that it is helpful to have a few failed prototypes.

[dawn quiver]

I mean I was gonna do like a test run with one route before I just dumped the whole text into the engine

[fallow finch]

you can load everything in memory for your first thing yea

and even your whole game may not be that big

it's just text, bitmaps take a LOT more space for example

[dawn quiver]

so far we're at 252 pages

[fallow finch]

pages of what

paper ?

[quartz fossil]

I mean, JSON is a right answer here, but its question is "How do I load/save the game?", and the question before that should be "Do I need to do that already?"

[dawn quiver]

yes. I'm prewriting it in docs obviously

[fallow finch]

that's gonna be hell to rewrite

[dawn quiver]

NOPE because I found a tool that will CONVERT the text into proper dialogue code :DDD

[fallow finch]

well nice

but you said dialogue code

so i guess you have to add the code part

[quartz fossil]

What is your story's underlying structure? Pure tree? Something like Choose-your-own-adventure books?

[fallow finch]

visual novel is just about choices afaik

so its a tree but different things can lead to same thing

[dawn quiver]

well, the text is properly converted to where it's formatted correctly, I still have to manually code the actual CHOICES

[fallow finch]

yea, what goes to what

its like the books where you're the hero

[dawn quiver]

you make the good choices you get the good ending, basically

[fallow finch]

for me tree means every choice leads to different choices but i'm maybe wrong

in a game with decisions a lot of things can lead to the same thing

[fallow finch]

but you can just make labels like this, don't think of a tree

[quartz fossil]

Nope, that's right. A tree is when each node has zero or more children, but only one parent (and the root has 0).

[dawn quiver]

yeah that was gonna be the structure of the game

[quartz fossil]

May I interest you in Directed Acyclic Graphs, in case that different sequences of action still lead to the same game state?

[fallow finch]

i mean with simple labels its not a problem

a lot of decisions can goto to the same label

its where the magic happens

[dawn quiver]

you mean like I make a bunch of choices that string you everywhere but then at the end direct your code back to the main line of the story?

[fallow finch]

thinking of a graph is probably not a good thing to do for beginners who want to have fun making a game

[dawn quiver]

yes please keep in mind I am very new to all this OVO;;;

[quartz fossil]

Yup, that's a possible and popular way to use DAGs.

[fallow finch]

also lol, your graph is visual representation of spaghetti code

[dawn quiver]

and what you just described doesn't sound like it's what I want for the game since this game is very linear, you get 2 options each choice you make that leads you closer to a bad ending or a good ending

[dawn quiver]

see that's my nightmare

[quartz fossil]

Good point. That's for after your first class on Data Structures and Algorithms 101.

[normal silo]

A connected acyclic graph is a tree, a disconnected one is a forest (multiple trees). You may be familiar with a decision tree in story focused games. Each choice causes a branching. The leaf nodes are the different endings to the game.

[dawn quiver]

...................wait now that I'm looking at it that might actually be what my game is

._.;;

how did I get here from just giving two choices to the player? o~o;;

[normal silo]

However, most of these games have decisions that don't actually matter, they rejoin with another decision down the line. This would imply a cycle in a normal undirected graph. But since we can't go backwards in time we use a directed graph (one way edges), so there are no cycles.

[quartz fossil]

You came upon people with too much knowledge? 🙂

[fallow finch]

everything can be a graph

[dawn quiver]

So I either have to significantly cut down what choices matter or I have to acrylic graph it?

[dawn quiver]

T-T

[fallow finch]

you know you don't have to make a graph representation of your game ?

[dawn quiver]

I think like each route has 3-4 choices that can give you a good or bad ending

[normal silo]

All this math talk just boils down to something like this:

[dawn quiver]

No I don't know this I'm just a fish swimming in a violent sea rn T~T

[normal silo]

You have some scenes, and your choices move you to different scenes.

[dawn quiver]

visual representation is much appreciated

[fallow finch]

but not for a complete game maybe

or it can be good to have

but you don't need it to make the game

[dawn quiver]

Oh wait it just clicked

OH

ok I get it, a bit, I mean

[normal silo]

Computers are very fast, if you have some search algorithm that needs to go through a graph like this for AI or something else, it will be really fast and can handle a lot of branches and depth (but not too much either, which is more advanced techniques come in, but they build on the same thing).

[fallow finch]

search algorithm ?

for a game when you choose something in a dialogue ?

they're not going to check folders in folders in folders to find what file is the right thing...

[normal silo]

No, this was in reference to what Schwarzbaer brought up.

[quartz fossil]

Yeah, it's really not applicable to a visual novel.

Well, it is, for automated tests, and cycles in the story would make those... problematic.

[normal silo]

If you have a dialog game, you could have billions of branches and it would be fine, you have a lot of memory. I thought the discussion was still about game AI, game AI looks at a graph of choices like one would find in a dialog game (except WAY bigger) and searches through it to find the winning moves (predicts the future).

[dawn quiver]

@quartz fossil was talking about game AI :3 I had a different question but we delved into a whole different thing XDDD lol

[lilac solstice]

I have question about typical architecture for game object. I have a gameobject class in my engine that handles objects in the game world. I want objects to have certaint traits (Damagable, Destructable, Movable, Triggers, etc) and interact with other objects. I also want to give traits to objects based on a json definition at runtime. My current route is to have several member 'trigger' functions that are always called (update, move, damage) and have trait objects that register as a callback whenever a relevant trigger function is called. The problem I run into here is that game objects do not know which traits other objects will have so I will have to do alot of checking and it doesn't feel very clean.
An alternate route that i've thought of is to have subclasses of game objects and create new class objects dynamically using multiple inhertance. But this also feels overly complicated. Is there some obvious solution to this that I'm overlooking?

Or does anyone know of an existing engine that has a good solution that I can draw inspiration from?

[sharp lake]

Hey, I'm trying to make collisions in my game, I have everything done that should work, but I have this error and that don't make sense

If I create "tiles" without being and attribute it say it doesn't exist, even if I import it, and when I create it as an attribute it says it's an object

My goal is just to create collisions where in my list (where each number represent a tile of 32x32), there is a 1

But I have these errors

[normal silo]

Have a base class that has a list of flags / traits and the object type as an Enum.

[calm trench]

anyone free to help me with a code?

[cursive rivet]

I would have to see the way you use tiles. Its complaining that the object isn't an iterable object and for some reason has the type "type"

[dawn quiver]

братва

помогите по братски

как слышно

але

але

але

не могу справится

с жестким аналом

проблема большая

не могу держаься

помогите мне

пожавлуйста

я даже не знаю что делать

просто помогите

пожалуйста

помогит

епомогиет

помогитеэ

помогите

https://giant.gfycat.com/JealousGraciousBlobfish.mp4

[sharp lake]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-keanu-reeves-matrix-neo-john-wick-gif-24221619

[simple wyvern]

is %appdata% used for configs?

[fallow finch]

you can have configs in the app folder or appdata generaly

[simple wyvern]

i just said that

[versed aurora]

if you're making a game i'd recommend having the config just be in the game folder

[fallow finch]

no ?

[versed aurora]

it depends on how you set it up

[fallow finch]

its fine for simple games but if you need more than one file appdata >>>>>

[versed aurora]

i mean, afaik it's just a folder, no?

[fallow finch]

wdym

[versed aurora]

like it's the same as any other folder, you could just store it wherever

also unless you expect your users to manually set config, it shouldn't matter if it's in appdata because you'd want to modify it in-game anyway

[fallow finch]

UsEr-SpEcIfIC cOnFiGuRaTiOnS

[versed aurora]

oh if it's user-specific, then sure

[fallow finch]

i mean you generaly don't care

but i think 90% of apps do this for that exact reason

[versed aurora]

also one concern i would have is that other OSes don't have an appdata folder afaik

[fallow finch]

there's a similar thing ?

idk but i'm pretty sure mac has an appdata-like thing

also, updates. noooo you DON'T want to erase user configs 😂

simple apps don't have updates but well

[versed aurora]

yeah that's true

[fallow finch]

ah yea and if you uninstall

the configs will stay

i think i found all reasons lol

maybe some configs are relative to different apps at the same time too

[torn jackal]

Hello guys, I am currently mking a video game coded with Pygame, but I have a question : does convert() makes the images at the right size for every screen ?

[prime grail]

hey, I need to make a game in python that teaches people the basic concepts of programming in python, such as data types and variables, using and defining functions, loops (while and for), and the stuff like inputs and outputs. I need to use the pygame import and the game needs to be fun and educational with a decent amount of interaction and a simple looking UI and it needs to be beginner friendly, I plan to create a small quiz after each programming concept level.

Each concept will have its own level so right now i have level 1 for printing text, and i have a final level (level 5) which is a bonus level.
I need some ideas for:

1. datatypes and/or varibles (for my level 2)
2. while and for loops (for my level 3)
3. Arithmetic operators and comparison operators (for my level 4)

Does anyone have any ideas on what game I could make for these levels or if you have any other ideas for the level topics. Any ideas or suggestions is appreciated.

[fallow finch]

when you say nice looking ui you want to make something where you have to write code ?

or something like the weird rayman games to learn spanish

[prime grail]

Yea I'd want the user to write some form of code

[eternal vessel]

so no, convert doesn't change the size based off the screen

[fallow finch]

nope

it converts to the pixel format of the display surface

you have to do this pretty much all the time, otherwise blitting is slow

[calm trench]

Card Memory Game: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/aseyabutuh

[manic totem]

why it cannot access the lives variables

def main():
    run = True
    FPS = 60
    level = 0
    lives = 3
    player_vel = 6
    main_font = pygame.font.SysFont("bitmap", 40)

    enemies = []
    wave_length = 0
    enemy_vel = 1

    player = Player(240, 500)

    clock = pygame.time.Clock()

    def redraw_window():
        WIN.blit(BACKGROUND, (0, 0))

        level_label = main_font.render(f"Level : {level}", 1, (255, 255, 255))
        live_label = main_font.render(f"Lives : {lives}", 1, (255, 255, 255))

        WIN.blit(level_label, (10, 590))
        WIN.blit(live_label, (WIDTH - live_label.get_width() - 10, 590))

        for enemy in enemies[:]:
            enemy.draw(WIN)
            if enemy.y + enemy.get_height() > HEIGHT - 50:
                lives -= 1
                enemies.remove(enemy)



        player.draw(WIN)


        pygame.display.update()```

[pine plinth]

Because it is not defined in redraw_window at the moment when your code is doing lives-=1

You should add nonlocal lives into inner function

[manic totem]

nonlocal lives?

[tranquil girder]

look into scope and the global keyword. if you have the variables in an object instead, it can save you a lot of trouble

[jagged quarry]

hallo guys

[fallow finch]

dont structure games like this

try to use oop

[versed aurora]

you can also use a class for it which i plan on doing

using globals isn’t the worst thing ever but try not to use them too much

[versed aurora]

basically how scope works in a nutshell is that unless you declare a variable global, you can read that variable but not write to it

and yeah as denball said there’s ‘nonlocal’ (which to be honest, i hadn’t known about until they mentioned it) which is used in nested functions apparently

as an example:

value = 1

def function_1():
    value = 3
function_1() #value is still 1

def function_2():
    global value
    value = 3
function_2() #value becomes 3

[versed aurora]

what i'd recommend instead of having a global lives variable is instead have lives be a attribute of a player class

it's a lot simpler that way because you can just handle that with something like player.update()

[quartz umbra]

I'm struggling to open a python game I want to mod into my IDE could someone link a tutorial or give some instructions

[slow rose]

hello guys i know it dosent have anything to do with python but what should i use for game developpment C++ or Rust? (2D or 3D)

[fallow finch]

C++

there's bevy for rust but that's all

[covert lagoon]

https://github.com/FyroxEngine/Fyrox

[fallow finch]

still, C++ is so much more used, its the best thing to use

[covert lagoon]

More depends on the game engine you want to use. Rust isn't supported in many engines, so between the two, c++ would be more applicable since it can be used in Unreal engine. You should also consider Unity or Godot, which use C# or gdsceipt

[fallow finch]

unreal is superior to everything but is mostly made for realistic 3d games

for a 2d game or a simpler 3d game unity is better

[covert lagoon]

And use godot if you don't want to deal with licensing stuff or you like foss

[sweet shard]

If you want to still be able to use Python, Panda3D is C++ and Python

[surreal olive]

Help, cannot use external modules on Linux . I have the same problem with matplotlib

[torn jackal]

can u make it so it displays in text in the channel

to be more readable

Hi guys I am currently making classe for my video game and i am totally stuck on a problem, i would like that a bullet follows a path in the direction of the player, i have the player pos, the shooter pos and its angle. Please help !

[surreal olive]

Its not about the text, pygame cannot install

[urban hemlock]

https://pastebin.com/kkW1mSTK
How do I go back the games menu on line 283
(games menu on line 143)

[mighty hemlock]

💀

[versed aurora]

if you can, just use c# but of those two c++ is less of a cult so

[versed aurora]

do you have multiple installations of python?

[tranquil girder]

you can't name the script pygame.py, it will think it's pygame

[proper peak]

wow, great eye

[fallow finch]

yea, i got a similar problem with a file called json.py

[surreal olive]

Everyone who helped me, thank you so much. You really helped me.

[fallow glade]

Welcome on their behalf

[pseudo bobcat]

what is the point of def main(): here?

you dont do that unless its a class

[gentle flame]

i have a game that asks randomly if im still online. I would like to write a program that recognizes the image below and clicks on it.

[pine plinth]

Im pretty sure that it is against rules of that game

[eternal vessel]

You might be mixing it up with __init__ but they are probably just using the

if __name__ == "__main__":
  main()```

[fallow finch]

i hate def main() in python

[eternal vessel]

what for?

[jagged quarry]

d

[fallow finch]

because you have to call the first function, if you oop everything

it's not java, there's no reason to make a function called main

just so it looks like c or java

[tranquil girder]

I agree that it looks worse, but as long as it's faster when the code is in a function, people will keep doing it

[fallow finch]

the problem isnt the function

the problem is calling it main

when i make an oop project, i use an object for the root class and i call the start method run

who wants to see a line calling main() 🤮

[eternal vessel]

lol

[fallow glade]

Write two lines of code
IDE: You have just broken all rules of language

[eternal vessel]

yup yup

[proper peak]

if you ever want to add a script to your package that runs it, you basically need a main function.

[fallow finch]

what

[fallow glade]

The underlines

warning marks

[fallow finch]

idk whats wrong with the if name = main thing

[random warren]

Hi guys! I would like to share my first project, it's a text-based football manager game that simulates the 2022 World Cup. If you have any ideas or feedback, I would greatly appreciate it! The game is currently in portuguese, but I plan on doing a translation in the future. The game is very simple, and I think you should be able to play it without many problems if you give it a try.
https://github.com/wesleyfuchs/worldcup-manager-game

[brisk yew]

how many lines between that line and the line with something on it (which may be a part of some class)

[quasi patrol]

does it have py bindings?

[quasi patrol]

👍

[foggy python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554140549310054439/1102426909318594611/2023-04-30_22-40-23.mp4
https://dafluffypotato.itch.io/moonrabbit-collection
made in 48 hours for Ludum Dare 53

[quasi patrol]

are you using shaders in pygame?

[foggy python]

yes

[knotty thorn]

Awesome 👍

[blissful cape]

any reccs for good yt tutorials/youtubers to watch for when youre new to pygame

[knotty thorn]

DaFluffyPotato is pretty great ngl

I'd start by watching clear code to get the basics

But I can tell ya once you got the basics, go and watch DaFluffyPotato. He's pretty experienced knows his stuff well

[blissful cape]

any clear code videos specifically or is it his pygame tutorial series

cause i was following along with those and i got to around ep 6 until i realized i didn’t actually rly completely understand what was going on, i was just sorta copying everything

[knotty thorn]

The question is do you not understand the functions? As in that you don't know how the inner workings of let's say the pygame.draw.circle function work or do you struggle with the Logic?

[tawny smelt]

Does anyone know any good places to get game assets?

I’ve tried itch.io but it doesnt seem to have alot of “full game kits”

I’m looking for asset packs that include the player, the enemies, overworld etc… all in one

[brisk yew]

you could... draw all of that yourself

otherwise someone recently suggested a place, lemme find it rq

https://kenney.nl/

[brisk yew]

given they're following tutorials I don't think they'd be much concerned with inner workings of those functions

[brisk yew]

well, have you made pong yet? it's a pretty simple game and covers the concept of collisions somewhat but you can actually add game state stuff to pong and what's great about that is that you don't need tons of code for game logic which lets you explore these other areas of game dev more easily, for example, states, like game state, pause state, menu state and so on (you could call them scenes too)

and it's fine if you copy some code, like, if you wanted to go and now create your own project, you could copy some code from tutorials that you're really struggling with, but try to come up with the rest yourself and that might let you escape le tutorial hell more easily, but in general the idea is that you just try to create a project independently, the tutorial should've at least introduced you to some capabilities of the library and you can then use that to work on your own project

[fallow finch]

it has tho

and you're not going to get 100% the assets for a game at the exact same link

opengameart exists but you'll get even smaller spritesheets

[tawny smelt]

What would you suggest? Should i mix and match similar assets from different creators??

[fallow finch]

and do you know what game you want to do ? if you want to grab everything from one thing that means you don't really care of artistic part of your game

[fallow finch]

find things that you like, edit them to make them fit together...

[tawny smelt]

Makes sense. Cool i see what i can do

[fallow finch]

especially if you use 16x16 or 32x32 art

there's so much on the internet

higher resolution stuff is harder to modify when you know nothing

[lilac garden]

https://opengameart.org/

I think there are some all on ones there

But definitely good assets either way

[dawn quiver]

Hey guys, I'm currently a student in software eng. and I am a novice in programming. I wanted to know if there is any websites with some kind of bootcamps/projects you recommend to a beginner so I can continue learning by myself by creating in the summertime? Would love to learn how to develop games eventually although I am not sure it's the best way to start. Much appreciated!

[grim rover]

I really recommend you to look at freecodecamp on youtube

[marble jewel]

Link to my latest Pygame tutorial video: Image Rotations Around a Pivot Point: https://youtu.be/-a4XPffa8Xg

[blissful cape]

id say the logic and knowing what to string together to create my program ig if that makes sense, and also what functions and syntax to use

[blissful cape]

this is my goal ! however, im completely new to pygame rn so im just hoping to understand how it works first, i will check out pong tho! do you have any specific tutorials or youtubers to watch to learn pygame or pong?

[knotty thorn]

As for the functions I suggest just looking them up in the pygame documentation. The logic part is in my opinion just mapping out your ideas before you begin coding. I recommend using pseudo code(I am not really using pygame for creating games but rather for creating short animations so take everything I say with a grain of salt)

[hushed haven]

Hello i a currnetly trying to install pygame and it is telling me distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: Microsoft Visual C++ 14.2 or greater is required. Get it with "Microsoft C++ Build Tools": https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/visual-cpp-build-tools/ yet when i check i have Visual Studio Community 2022 17.5.5what can i do to fix it?

[marble jewel]

@hushed haven try installing the latest version of pygame-ce

pip install pygame-ce

[brisk yew]

perhaps Clear Code has a pong tutorial? I'm not sure, you can also check out DaFluffyPotato, he has great tutorials too

[dawn quiver]

Anyone want to help me develop an open-source project on github?
https://github.com/ApaxPhoenix/PyCraft

[fallow finch]

is the point to make something based on the original code of java mc ?

[dawn quiver]

Well yeah, I want encourage python game development over java, and display the possibilities of python.

[fallow finch]

yea i think we need a project like that

[dawn quiver]

I have the block rendering

[fallow finch]

that would push python to its limits or at least make something finished

not just a demo

[dawn quiver]

something similarly like this made, in c
https://github.com/fogleman/Craft

[fallow finch]

there's 2-3 pros on making games in python that are very underrated, only known python games are stupid stuff like DDLC

[dawn quiver]

There is a list of pros and cons, and the majority are pros.

[fallow finch]

i don't think so but the pros are really pros

like, modding in python

since it's interpreted its easy to use the language as a modding language, and python is easy

an other pro imo is cheating, cheat engine and other cheat software can't really interact with python

[dawn quiver]

perfomance might be an issue, but we can compile it with pyinstaller

[fallow finch]

even a delta time based on the default time module breaks the speedhack

[fallow finch]

pyinstaller doesnt make python faster

[dawn quiver]

oh yeah, thats right

there might be a limit to it

therefore, we can use cpython

[fallow finch]

yea you can't make the biggest games in python

but you can do some parts in cython

or c, or use numba

at least for calculation stuff

[dense nebula]

I am making a top down game and i was wondering how i would make it so that when the player enters the house they would be in the house and when they leave they would be back outside from the entrance?

Kinda like pokemon green/red

[fallow finch]

well you can just put the house at a different place

[dawn quiver]

do you think that shaders will be a problem in the long run?

[fallow finch]

and the door will "teleport" the player

[fallow finch]

in the mc project ?

[dawn quiver]

yes

[fallow finch]

well i think idk what shaders you're talking about

[dawn quiver]

glsl shaders for the mc project

will it have a big impact on its perfomance

[fallow finch]

the main menu shader ?

oh you mean shader packs ?

[dawn quiver]

yes

[fallow finch]

it will be slow for sure if you implement this

but well i don't think you should think of shader packs now :p

[dawn quiver]

thats true, it affects computers perfomance

ive seen the reports of fps slowing down because of ticks in minecraft

[fallow finch]

shader packs arent even a feature of the base game

[dawn quiver]

Wait, they are mods?

[fallow finch]

only glsl shader in minecraft is the main menu

[fallow finch]

optifine or iris shaders yea

or canvas shaders

[dawn quiver]

Should I use pyglet or pygame for this mc project?

[fallow finch]

pyglet is kinda the equivalent of lwjgl in java, the thing used in minecraft

but using a raw opengl implementation like moderngl can maybe be faster than pyglet, i'm not sure

[dawn quiver]

whats the difference of moderngl and opengl?

[fallow finch]

moderngl is an implementation of opengl for python

or maybe you mean moderngl vs pyopengl

[dawn quiver]

ive been using the opengl api of python

[fallow finch]

pyopengl feels like python bindings for the c implementation of opengl so it forces c-like code, while moderngl is more pythonic

[dawn quiver]

ive been using raw code this whole time

[fallow finch]

imgur i think

[dawn quiver]

nvm

i can directly publish it here

[fallow finch]

it's pyopengl in a pygame.display window ?

[dawn quiver]

i was programming in a raspberry pi

it didn't support pyglet

so i chose pygame

made that in a airplane imao

wait wait, let me edit the code so its only for pyglet

[dawn quiver]

strange right?

[fallow finch]

what is strange

[dawn quiver]

pygame can render heavy content

those images we 5mb each

[fallow finch]

it's not rendered by pygame

it's a feature of sdl (the thing used in pygame) to allow renderer to be opengl instead of sdl itself

[dawn quiver]

ohhh, i'm new to game development, i used moved from full-stack web development

i might commit more mistakes on the long run

[fallow finch]

some people like DaFluffyPotato use their game screen made in surfaces in their opengl textures

so they can add shaders to their games, without really using opengl for rendering

[dawn quiver]

is it possible to use opengl for rendering?

[fallow finch]

well using the pygame.OPENGL flag on the display switches the renderer to opengl

you can use moderngl too, it's better than pyopengl imo

[normal silo]

Shaders in graphics typically refer to programs that run on the GPU. If that is what you are referring to, it's one of the things that is the same regardless of language used (C/Python/etc), because none of those run on the GPU.

Everything a game is displaying (unless CPU rendered) is going through a shader.

[normal silo]

That depends on the shaders, not the language used on the CPU (C/Python/etc).

[normal silo]

No, this is one thing that will work the same as with C/Java (and the same regardless of game engine, they can only make the process a bit more nice for you).

[fallow finch]

you're right, shaderpacks slowness just depends on the gpu used

or like 95% i guess

[normal silo]

The biggest issue is that Python does not have the CPU speed needed for many tasks in an open world game like Minecraft. So many parts would have to be C/Cython/Mypyc.

(e.g. world generation and AI)

[fallow finch]

yea, the parts like chunk loading can't be made in vanilla python

i think the game would also have to use multiprocessing, which is not easy to implement and will not be the same code than concurrent in java

[normal silo]

What Python can totally handle is a non-open-world game. The standard linear game type. One with only a few AIs in a scene with a lot of static geometry / elements.

(Which is a large chunk of all possible games)

[fallow finch]

minecraft can't really be compared to all open world games

an open world game can be light but minecraft isnt

[normal silo]

Open world game's selling point is scale, lots of things at the same time, which (usually) requires more CPU compute. There is also open world in a different sense. It does depend what is meant with that tag. For example one could consider Dark Souls open world. One can go off in whatever direction. But at any given time there is not that many non-static elements happening (and in areas where there was, it lagged (and still does)).

[dawn quiver]

interesting

how does Core and Roblox manage their lighting?

[fallow finch]

ais in minecraft is one of the most performance eating parts

[normal silo]

Once the meshes have been generated and are not being edited, they are effectively static, just like in a non-world-editable game. In that case AI takes up a lot just like in other games, because other than something like physics, not much else is happening on the CPU in terms of amount of crunching (there is a lot conceptually happening).

Which is why many games in the past never had many AI units at any given time, or if they did, it was their specialty (a lot of effort into it).

(Or make each unit really basic / dumb (e.g. a zombie hoard, just run towards the player))

[dawn quiver]

it hasn't been 5 minutes

and my post got removed

[fallow finch]

what subreddit is this

is it the official minecraft one ?

[dawn quiver]

no

[dawn quiver]

its r/learnpython

sorry for the delay

[proper peak]

well, one of the rules of it is "2: Posts to this subreddit must be requests for help learning python.", so makes sense to me.

[quasi patrol]

3d pygame?

[sharp lake]

Hey, sorry to disturb, I was wondering if there is a way to make a sprite look the other way without having to create a mirror version of my spritesheet

[fallow finch]

you want to flip a sprite in pygame ?

[sharp lake]

I have a characher and I want him to be able to look in both directions

But I think I found something

[fallow finch]

if you use the gpu mode (not a lot of people use it) you can flip, rotate and resize on the go

otherwise you need to create an other surface with pygame.transform.flip

[sharp lake]

Yes, and I have to recreate my whole animation system, so I will put the inversed sprites in the same spritesheet so it will be simple

[fallow finch]

yea that's what you want to do most likely

you can make the surfaces in the game too and have only one side in your spritesheet image

[sharp lake]

okay, thank you for the answer !

[brisk yew]

that's not a viable solution for most people... most people don't even know it exists
(hopefully it gets more popular when it gets ported to C and stops being "experimental")

[neon horizon]

How rough of a time am I in for if I were to try and make a fighting game as a way of relearning python?
For clarity’s sake, by fighting game I mean Super Turbo.

[dawn quiver]

How do I code a game on vscode python

[fallow finch]

well like in any other ide using python

[dawn quiver]

What ide

[fallow finch]

any

python is a language

idle python, vsc python and pycharm python is the same language

some ides like pycharm can make a virtual environment for you but that's still python

[dawn quiver]

Ah OK so how do I code a game

[fallow finch]

you use a library

[dawn quiver]

Ye py

[fallow finch]

pygame is pretty popular, there's also arcade for 2d games and ursina3d for 3d games

the other ones are lower level

[dawn quiver]

K what the first steps i need to put in to code it in pygame

[fallow finch]

pip install pygame-ce in console

to install the package

[dawn quiver]

K then what

[fallow finch]

then you can do import pygame in your code to use its functionalities

its like the default libs but its third party (not installed by default)

[dawn quiver]

How do I make a game like gta 5

In pygame

[fallow finch]

pygame is a wrapper of sdl which is made for 2d games mostly

you can use opengl to render in it and have 3d

but a game like gta5 can't be done in opengl from scratch

you need unreal engine 5

[dawn quiver]

How do I do that

[fallow finch]

there's nothing else available that can make a game like gta5, and even with it you need a large team

ue5 is free and you have to pay only i your game makes more than $100k

but you'll not make the next gta

[dawn quiver]

I have a big dev team

[fallow finch]

probably not big enough to make a gta-like game

[dawn quiver]

I have 40

[fallow finch]

well they have to learn ue5

and you have to manage the project correctly

[dawn quiver]

K I'll get them to learn it

[fallow finch]

each person should make a specific thing

but you'll need a lot of years to make a game like gta

[dawn quiver]

How long if I did it all on my own

[fallow finch]

ue5 can really make impressive games even for a small team, but not a game like gta

[fallow finch]

well you don't have the skill to do everything

[dawn quiver]

How long would it take me

[fallow finch]

making the models, optimizing the code, the game design...

5-10 years of learning and 15-30 years to make the thing

maybe

[dawn quiver]

I'll make a game now with ue5

I've learnt 10 tiny things about ue5

[fallow finch]

you can make impressive games alone with ue5 already, but you should know what you can do and what you can't

[dawn quiver]

K

[fallow finch]

if i make a ue5 game alone it would be a puzzle game with white blocks

because idk how to make good looking models

[dawn quiver]

Damn

[fallow finch]

and open world or too large scope kind of game is too big

for one guy alone

[dawn quiver]

I will look on fiver

[fallow finch]

aaa games use real actors for the characters too

[dawn quiver]

Oh

[fallow finch]

you can't really make them from scratch

maybe in 5 years ai will do it

but right now you can't

[dawn quiver]

Ohhhh

How do I make fortnite in ue5

[fallow finch]

there's a lot of things like this

that you can't do alone

[fallow finch]

you don't

or maybe fortnite singleplayer

but it's still very big for you and your "team"

[dawn quiver]

How do I do fortnite single player

[fallow finch]

fortnite is years of game design, it's not a game made with ass

[dawn quiver]

True

[fallow finch]

well you start some ue5 tutorial

but you'll never make assets and game design like what you can find in fortnite

[dawn quiver]

True

[fallow finch]

looks like you don't know anything about game design, here's a list of things you and your "team" will never make :

• any aaa game
• mmo, any multiplayer game with big public servers
• open world (at least like what you can find in aaa games)
• human-looking characters
• game design of large game with no real issue (even aaa games have some generaly)
• thousands of 3d models
• game with regular updates, even one per month is most likely too much

you can still have fun with ue5 and make great games in it

[dawn quiver]

K

Yo I need some game devs to help me on a game with ue5

[fallow finch]

[dawn quiver]

i will use pyglet in the future, I just wanted to demonstrate in pygame

[quasi patrol]

so using opengl api?

or pyglet

[dawn quiver]

I'm combining the opengl api with pyglet, because of its c like low-level api.

I'm not going to use pyglet.gl, because it has less features, and can be a hazard on the long run.

[fallow finch]

so you're gonna stay with pygame + moderngl ?

or pyopengl

i found this guy making a python mc game on youtube but it's infinished

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG3Gd7Vr93o&list=PL6_bLxRDFzoKjaa3qCGkwR5L_ouSreaVP&index=17

it's the best recreation i can find actually

[brisk yew]

mby start w/ sth simpler like pong

[neon horizon]

Fair enough

[shell scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zj5jGAFZB8

I updated ROTA with a Day/Night Cycle and Weather System! (:

[dawn quiver]

very interesting

[dawn quiver]

Thanks a lot, I'm switching my code to pyglet

I'm going to use OpenGL API and not morderngl because the lack of low level control

[fallow finch]

what is opengl api

pyopengl ?

[dawn quiver]

yes

i still get confused with import OpenGL.GL as gl

[fallow finch]

i think they're the same feature-wise

moderngl just allows more python-friendly code

[fallow finch]

also why

[dawn quiver]

I'm new in game development 😔

[fallow finch]

not really relevant

you're new in importing python packages ?

[dawn quiver]

No, its just that i mess up the names of the packages

its been like that for a while

[fallow finch]

you generaly don't use the full name especially when they're "sub-packages"

like, import pygame as pg

or import numpy as np, nobody in the world doesnt import numpy like this

[dawn quiver]

Yo

[dawn quiver]

ahh i see, a tradition

[fallow finch]

it's just better to use small names

[dawn quiver]

Anyone has a game suggestion pls I don't need snake game or doraemon

[fallow finch]

and you can import an other package / other version of a package as the same name

[dawn quiver]

Haven't used numpy in a while, might need that to define the vertex of the block

[fallow finch]

well no

you can use numpy with opengl but generaly not for this

[fallow finch]

doraemon ?

you're saying it's too recommended but idk that game

[dawn quiver]

OpenGL errors are quite interesting

Doraemon

see one example:

OpenGL.error.GLError: GLError(
    err = 1282,
    description = b'invalid operation',
    baseOperation = glGenTextures,
    pyArgs = (
        1,
        <object object at 0x000001979EE36D30>,
    ),
    cArgs = (1, array([0], dtype=uint32)),
    cArguments = (1, array([0], dtype=uint32))
)

Process finished with exit code 1

I have even the code of doraemon but it's too long

i dont know where to look

500 lines

[fallow finch]

that's why moderngl is better

[dawn quiver]

nice, im up to 400 lines of code, and can't display a single block

[fallow finch]

pyopengl forces c-like code and doesnt use the python objects

[dawn quiver]

Rip but at least you did your best , your considered a legend

[dawn quiver]

:(, i should of known better

ima post the code on github, if anyone wants to help me

https://github.com/ApaxPhoenix/PyCraft

[fallow finch]

you're using pyglet or pygame ?

if you use pyopengl for rendering is there a reason you want to switch to pyglet btw ?

[dawn quiver]

switching from pygame to pyglet

thats my main goal

[fallow finch]

^

there's pyglet.gl but looks like you're not going to use it

[dawn quiver]

its there any benefit of using pyglet gl?

[fallow finch]

it's easier

[dawn quiver]

if i only had money for copilot 😔

[fallow finch]

moderngl or pyopengl are probably better options to make a really optimized thing

but aside rendering, pyglet is written in python while pygame is based on SDL which is written in C

[dawn quiver]

should i use moderngl or pyopengl 🤔

[fallow finch]

moderngl is more pythonic

i would recommend this one

[dawn quiver]

does it have other benefits?

[fallow finch]

the point of it is to be pythonic instead of requiring C-like code like pyopengl

[normal silo]

Moderngl does some extra work for you that you would be doing in PyOpengl anyhow.

But it will be OpenGL 3.3+.

[fallow finch]

3.3 is so old already

[normal silo]

Maybe you want OpenGL ES or something, up to you.

[fallow finch]

i don't remember having issues with old/new games and opengl versions

[normal silo]

OpenGL 3.3 will be available on pretty much every PC.

[fallow finch]

unlike directx games

[normal silo]

OpenGL ES is you want Mobile / Web too.

[fallow finch]

it was released >12 years ago

(3.3)

[normal silo]

Limitations using ModernGL over PyOpenGL?

All the necessary calls are (or can be) implemented in ModernGL. However you can interact with the ModernGL objects from PyOpenGL. If something is missing write an issue or raise a PR.```

[fallow finch]

imagine using pyglet, moderngl and pyopengl at the same time

[normal silo]

Usually, one implements a layer on top of OpenGL that ends up looking like ModernGL.

(So if you go with PyOpenGL, you can expect to end up with something that looks like ModernGL, maybe more specific to the task, but basically the same)

(ModernGL may be slighty faster since it moves a bunch of OpenGL function calls to C++ (your issue for speed in a MInecraft clone will be chunk generation (both the contents and mesh), not that))

[dawn quiver]

😢

might take me days to change from pyopengl to morderngl

it has 410 lines of code, and i can't even display a block 😭

[fallow finch]

so years for making mc

notch made first alpha in 6 days

[dawn quiver]

I shall buy my way out of this with copilot 🫡

[normal silo]

There is a bunch of boilerplate in raw OpenGL. Which is why ModernGL is a thing.

[dawn quiver]

wait, jetbrains doesnt have copilot.

only vscode 😦

[normal silo]

I highly recommend not using Copilot as a beginner.

[dawn quiver]

could anyone give me a hand then 😟

i really hate using the docs, but its my only option

i should of stick with full-stack

but there is no backing now

[shell scroll]

thank u! (=

[brisk yew]

that's a lot of times the best option, he he

[prisma olive]

turtle how do i make collision ive been trying for ages i cant get it to work

[brisk yew]

you may want to consider not using turtle

otherwise what collisions are you struggling with exactly?

[dawn quiver]

if u have an rpg game, and u have different skills, how would u make it: a character recieving the skill class and dmg himself, or the skill recieving the target and dmging him?

[tranquil girder]

the latter makes the most sense to me

I've made a rpg battle system with complex interactions, and then I did something like spell.cast(caster, target)

[dawn quiver]

mmm

but shouldnt the spell belong to the character?

like, if ur player wanna use attack on someone else

the main class is the character itself, who has his available skills

so something like character.cast('spell', target) or similar

no?

and then inside cast, u handle the logic

make sense having the spells as classes too, so they can have their atk power, element, precision, description, etc

[tranquil girder]

In my game the players and enemies can have the same kind of spells

if your system is simple, try to keep the code as simple as possible too

[dawn quiver]

yeah, and?

u have the class spell

and each character has its own kit

of spells

[dawn quiver]

I'm looking for a library to visualize some 3D shapes, plot them in space, and assign them colors. I'm just wondering what the easiest library is to use for this is? I have a tiny bit of experience with Babylon.js but not much else.

[normal silo]

Another solution is that spells belong to no characters, they are just marked with the emitter and target. A separate system then manages spells. spell_system.cast(from, to)

Knowing which class to put such a method on is a common problem in OOP. The correct solution is often a third.

Inside either the character or the enemies you can now cast spells, by having them have a reference to the spell system.

[dawn quiver]

Show me ur game

[reef hinge]

I got a question regarding 8 directional rendering of a moving npc. I do know for a static sprite you need to calculate the angle between the sprite and the player and round it to determine the octant. But for dynamic sprites (enemies/npc's) there are some extra steps and i don't find them

[finite hull]

Determine the angle between the sprite's current position and the player's position using atan2.
Convert the angle to degrees.
Add 360 to the angle if it is negative.
Divide the angle by 45 to get the octant number.
Round the octant number to the nearest whole number.
After getting the octant number, you can use it to select the appropriate sprite or animation for the NPC's movement in that particular direction.

[echo whale]

where would i start trying to learn game development with python?

is there any good videos

[eternal vessel]

Clear Code has good tutorials with Pygame

and Dafluffypotato has more advanced ones

[prisma olive]

with turtle how do i clone the turtle while keeping all stuff for it?

like i have a turtle which is a target. i shoot it, and stuff happens. but if i do turtle.clone, the clone doesnt have anything done

[brisk yew]

srsly, you shouldn't be making a shooter in turtle, use a proper game library

[brisk yew]

what library are you using for this?

[reef hinge]

i am using no pygame its for a task for uni. Most of the game works, i am 100% sure that the coordinate system is right. I just have a problem wtih calculating the right angle i think. The library i use to calculate the angle are numpy(some arrays are done in numpy but numpy isn't used for the calculations) and math. Once it has the angle it needs to assign a octant. That octant can be determined in 2 ways i don't know which one is the best, one is by looking between which limits of the 2d octant and the other is by dividing the angle and then rounding to a number from 0-7

@brisk yew

the y faces to the left in my coordinate system and the x faces down

[brisk yew]

wait, so you have a way to determine that? I mean, if it works in all cases it's good enough
I personally would probably use pygame vectors for that but yeah

[reef hinge]

well we're not allowed to use pygame

Its annoying but we actually have a working game. Only the npc does the wrong walk animation. It moonwalks through the level instead of playing the animation for the direction it is running in

its hella weird cause i've tried so many things

and none work

its as if its cursed or something

[proper peak]

maybe the sprites themselves for that NPC are in the wrong order?

[fallow finch]

why are you making a game in turtle

[prisma olive]

a crappy little shooter i need to do for a school assignment

[fallow finch]

but why you decided to use turtle

[hollow kettle]

Guys, Does anyone knows pygame? like Experts? or a middle class?
it would be great to help me out
in my project

[hollow shuttle]

say the problem you have

not say that you have a problem

[hollow kettle]

I clearly said, I'm recruiting new people.

[fallow finch]

what is the project

[hollow kettle]

it's a game where you have die and healers are your enemy, this is a simple base game idea it might evolve soon as we progress

[fallow finch]

you started working on this already, and you're alone for now ?

[prisma olive]

coz teacher said

[fallow finch]

well your teacher is meh

turtle can't make games, or at least it was never made for this purpose

even tkinter the thing used for turtle is really bad for games

[prisma olive]

the class is learning python as starters

the aim of it is to teach us how to code via turtle

[fallow finch]

yes but you can use pygame

[prisma olive]

yea but its not

[fallow finch]

turtle can teach some coding basics but it can't make games

[prisma olive]

so

[prisma olive]

yea half the class can hardly do a while loop

[brisk yew]

what's the pay?

[fallow finch]

but since turtle isnt made for games it will be hard for them

it's easier to make a simple game with pygame

[prisma olive]

ok look i cant decide what library

so why complain about it

[fallow finch]

i think your teacher is new to python and doesnt really know the good libs to use

[prisma olive]

dude

why r u so bothered about it

[fallow finch]

because you can't make a game in turtle

[prisma olive]

well i have to, so u gonna help me or not

coz i asked for help, so why respond if no help

[fallow finch]

well i can't help you, turtle is drawing shapes and lines very slowly, i don't see how you can make a game with this

[brisk yew]

never say never

[fallow finch]

i know you can

but its a terrible thing to do

[brisk yew]

but I can't be bothered to put in the effort to do it in turtle

[fallow finch]

and i can't help anyway

[prisma olive]

all i need. is. to duplicate a fucking turtle

thats all i need

duplicate a turtle

turtle.clone wont work right

[brisk yew]

you weren't taught that in class?

[fallow finch]

maybe the teacher just told them to use turtle and thats all

a good python teacher should ask to make a GAME with turtle

[prisma olive]

bro stop worrying about my teacher, if ur not gonna help then dont waste my time pinging me about my teacher

[brisk yew]

don't make a game in tkinter, it's as terrible a choice for game dev as turtle

unless idk you're making tic tac toe

well, you could use pygame-ce
or for pop cat ig tkinter would be fine too

import tkinter as tk


root = tk.Tk()

image = tk.PhotoImage(file="image.png")
label = tk.Label(root, image=image, borderwidth=0)
label.pack()

root.mainloop()

it's very similar to pygame

alr, I mean, again, you could use tkinter for this since it's just a clicking game

well, again that'd be tkinter cuz you don't have to interact with the event loop as much and given the simplicity of the game it would be fine, but otherwise I'd go for pygame-ce

is that image located in the same directory from which you run the python file?

in the same directory as what?

it has to be in the same directory as where you run the python file from which is not necessarily the same directory as the python file

tho for sth like this you probably want those directories to match

[jovial laurel]

!pban 468400922100367370

[frank field]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @safe crow permanently.

[unborn thunder]

is this easier than pygame?

[brisk yew]

in a way it literally is pygame and pygame ain't that hard in the first place

you can read more about it in the announcement: #python-community message

[half sphinx]

would anyone know where to learn how to make games in pygame, or specifically make 3d games?

by any chance?

thanks

[fallow finch]

pygame isnt created for 3d games

it can be used with opengl to make 3d but it's not the best thing to use

you can use ursina3d or pyglet, a higher level opengl wrapper

[half sphinx]

Thanks for the info. do you know anyone who teaches it in full online?

[fallow finch]

pygame ?

there's a lot of videos about pygame, i recommend clear code, coder space and maybe dafluffypotato

[half sphinx]

oh ok thanks

[fallow finch]

clear code has really the best videos for beginners

[brisk yew]

bruh, they asked about 3d games, you suggested 3d libs and you ask if they want to watch a tutorial for a 2d lib?

[fallow finch]

i don't get if they still want to use pygame or not

[dawn quiver]

why? when u define a class, u add the spells u want that class to have. If then u wanna add more, u add them

[versed aurora]

depends on your situation tbh

[brisk yew]

that doesn't sound extensible? how would this spell adding work exactly?

[normal silo]

If you add a spell to the spell system class, all entities have access to that now. So depending on your game, and if you want to experiment with different spells on all entities, this can help by centralizing the spell adding effort.

Otherwise you may end up with duplicate code on each entity.

[safe crow]

how do i play sound on python

[dawn quiver]

each class has a list with the spells it can cast (?)

wow

how not extensible?

[dawn quiver]

well yeah, if u have archer and sniper, they could share skills, but i dont see the problem

a class has its own skill set

furthermore, if a class can change to a different class, and u wanna track the skills learnt from other classes, u need to do it the way i say

U will end up having somewhere a variable with the available skills

so better than ifs checking if the actual class can cast certain spell, have the spells that class can cast as attributes

[fallow finch]

what do you use for your game

there's winsound for windows but you may want to use something else, like, pygame has a sound/music module

[vernal jacinth]

how could I create an energy system? for example, casting one spell requires 3 energy, while another requires 5, you only get 6 energy per turn?

Set initial energy value to 6

energy = 6

Define spell energy costs

spell1_cost = 3
spell2_cost = 5

Prompt user to select a spell

spell_choice = input("Select a spell (1 or 2): ")

Check if user's choice is valid

if spell_choice == "1":
# Check if user has enough energy for spell 1
if energy >= spell1_cost:
print("Casting spell 1...")
energy -= spell1_cost
else:
print("Not enough energy for spell 1.")
elif spell_choice == "2":
# Check if user has enough energy for spell 2
if energy >= spell2_cost:
print("Casting spell 2...")
energy -= spell2_cost
else:
print("Not enough energy for spell 2.")
else:
print("Invalid spell choice.")

I tried something chatgpt gave me for fun but I don’t know if theres a better alternative

[dawn quiver]

guys how can i make enemies disappear after collision

[meager locust]

hey guys, im new to python and im wondering what type of games can be made with it?

[safe crow]

anything

[meager locust]

oh wow okay, thank you

[hollow shuttle]

anything 3d 2d platformers fps

basically if you have the time and effort and skill you can remake any game you see on the internet in python

[marble jewel]

Latest Big Chungus devlog, now called Isometria, made entirely with Python and Pygame: https://youtu.be/7oEtu0_VmCw Check it out and be sure to subscribe.

[raw falcon]

big chungus was better

[fallow finch]

the dev is shadow banned from reddit because of a promotion for the game btw

probably because of a "big chungus" flair

[marble jewel]

perhaps and it will always be the code name of the game, but going to stick to Isometria from now on

[fallow finch]

thats probably the best thing to do

[marble jewel]

and fyi I don't think I ever had an flair or whatever on reddit, the account never worked at all. The first post I made to the pygame subreddit linking my devlog just never got posted, the account literally never worked and was shadowbanned from the start

[dawn quiver]

@fallow finch , have you heard of the new superset of python called mojo?

[fallow finch]

well yea like everyone

[dawn quiver]

do you think it will affect metaprogramming 🤔

[fallow finch]

well idk why you're thinking of metaprogramming

[dawn quiver]

yeah, your right. I got another project in my hand 😅

anyways

how fast is mojo compared to cpython?

supposedly is 100x faster right?

[fallow finch]

45000x for the example that we don't know

in general idk lol

i thought it was a compiled language but i learnt recently it will be or AOT or JIT or both (?)

[dawn quiver]

remember the mc project we where discussing, do you think its a great time to move the default python content to mojo

or just leave it to cython

[fallow finch]

if mojo is really what we're expecting then we should go for it

being able to use the python libs with the python code and with ability to add low level control code, it looks like the dream of some python devs

but some people aren't really expecting it will be like intended, especially for the python libs support part

with the low level control stuff and ability to use packages like moderngl we'll maybe even be able to make game engines, who knows

[dawn quiver]

@fallow finch i imagine that mojo is open-source right?

[fallow finch]

it's not

but it will be at some point

maybe when it will be rewritten in mojo itself

[dawn quiver]

that "will be at some point" sounds like matlab

[fallow finch]

well matlab is not even free

that's terrible

imagine having to pay for a programming language

[dawn quiver]

Sounds like their plan

@fallow finch, does it say that i can use default python libraries like numpy?

[fallow finch]

i heard it's intended to support everything yea

the standard libraries of mojo look disappointing tho

but that's okay if we can still use the python ones

[dawn quiver]

Better stick to cython until mojo is better

I'm not going to risk it

[fallow finch]

you cant really compare

cython is mostly used for a part of a library

you can't compile a whole project using libraries like pygame or moderngl with it afaik

(when i say compile i mean convert to c)

mojo is intended to allow this but some people are saying AOT/JIT on all the python third party libs would be impossible

mojo will also allow making distributables so it should be good for games, but games isnt the reason the language exists at all, at least for now

[tardy oracle]

not interested enterily about game-dev but, is ursina much better than pygame?

[fallow finch]

they're different things

pygame is a wrapper of the SDL library which is made for 2d games and multimedia apps

it can use opengl to display 3d but that's generaly not how its used

ursina is kinda like a 3d engine

[tardy oracle]

well the different is ursine is for 3dd and pygame is for 2d

[fallow finch]

well ursina isnt to 3d what pygame is to 2d

[tardy oracle]

aight i think you are confusing, stop it

[fallow finch]

but yea, ursina makes 3d games and pygame makes 2d games and multimedia apps

[brisk yew]

by what metric?

[haughty agate]

Is there any link or source where i can download lets us python book for free?

[dawn quiver]

i don't believe there are any free books besides documentation, websites, YouTube videos, and pdf tutorials.

[dawn quiver]

I've heard that Nuitka is an option when you are trying to compile python code in c

[fallow finch]

yea its for making a exe

but it will not give you an equivalent c source of your code

[dawn quiver]

will it make a difference in performance though?

[fallow finch]

nuitka is a bit slower sometimes

[dawn quiver]

slower are compiling, or simply executing it?

[fallow finch]

it compiles the things like the python interpreter does, it doesnt change your code

[fallow finch]

a bit slower at execution sometimes

it's intended to be the same speed but idk why this happens

[dawn quiver]

damm, im running out of options

i really want mojo to be opensource

[fallow finch]

cython changes your code and can use the hints to use real types instead of emulating python's dynamicness

nuitka isnt this

[dawn quiver]

I dont want it to be a freeware

[sharp lake]

Hey, I'm using Tiled and Pytmx to create my maps, but in my game it does that, (the black color is due to the background color not being the same as the transparency color of the tiles), but the problem is the strange decoloration and the objet's color spraying around it.

[fallow finch]

looks like a transparency issue

what is the format of the images btw

[dawn quiver]

you could just simply get the background color of the image and setting it as the window background color

[sharp lake]

the tileset is in png, and the map is in tmx

[fallow finch]

well nothing can be 100% protected

but nuitka is a good thing to prevent 99% of people to steal your code

[sharp lake]

yes, but that's not the problem

[dawn quiver]

Stealing code is not a priority, because its going to be open-source on github anyways

game cheats might be an issue though

[fallow finch]

so what do you want to protect

[fallow finch]

what cheats

[dawn quiver]

when I tried running cheat engine in my python program, I could simply edit some values, and abracadabra; my player was faster than normal.

[fallow finch]

well cheat engine is (or at least can be) useless against python

python uses a stack, not just values in addresses like C/C++

cheat engine doesnt have support for it, so the values you modify will move in seconds

cheat engine is useless against my python games, aside for the "memory view" part

even a delta time implemented with python's standard time module makes the speedhack dll useless, while every game in the world can be speedhacked

[dawn quiver]

can code injection in my pyglet game, be a subject that i have to worry about

[fallow finch]

well if you use pickle objects in some files or exec() somewhere where users can interact with, yes

there's probably more obscure ways to do it but these are 2 things that are pretty unsafe in python

[dawn quiver]

does pyglet execute its default window with exec?

[fallow finch]

no ? and i don't really get the thing

exec() executes code in a string

if there's some way the user can interact with something passed in exec() its a problem

[dawn quiver]

is there any ways to prevent it?

[fallow finch]

not using exec() or using it for stuff where the user doesnt interact with

that's not like if we use exec() for everything...

[sharp lake]

I'm new with Tiled and I don't really know how to use it properly in this case, but I think the formats are okay

[fallow finch]

90% of people never use it, and exec() is a super high level thing we have because of how python uses an interpreter

other compiled languages don't have it

[dawn quiver]

is there any difference of exec_() and exec()?

[fallow finch]

i don't know exec_()

google tells me it's a Qt function

[fallow finch]

your issue really looks like when i save a transparent image into non-transparent format like BMP, at least in some image software

[dawn quiver]

ohh thats true

[fallow finch]

idk why you're even talking of exec()

[dawn quiver]

i forgot that was imported from qt

[fallow finch]

are you using it actually ?

[dawn quiver]

no just got confused with some stuff

[fallow finch]

try to save a png as jpeg or bmp in photofiltre (or maybe even photoshop), you'll have this

there's a problem with transparence somewhere

if you don't need transparence don't use png maybe

[fallow finch]

so what do you want to protect actually

if source isnt a problem and the assets are from mojang

[sharp lake]

mhh, that could be something like that, but it's very strange knowing that the platforms are in the same format (tsx) as the decorations.

[fallow finch]

i don't get what the decorations are

but nothing is transparent in your screenshot

[fallow finch]

yea i see non-transparent images

and?

[sharp lake]

the furnitures like trees, bush...

[fallow finch]

they're not transparent, yea

nothing is

in this screenshot

[sharp lake]

yes but how some shapes in the plaforms can be ?

[fallow finch]

i don't see transparent images

try to blit on a background

they're not

[sharp lake]

okay, thank you

that's how I made it

But I think your'e right

[fallow finch]

wheres the rendering code ?

i never used pyscroll so idk if the transparence issues comes from this

[brisk yew]

can you send one of those spritesheets over?

[fallow finch]

they said its png

but its maybe png saved with mspaint

if pyscroll doesnt cause this, it's a problem with the image yes

[sharp lake]

It's a png, saved as a Tmx

[fallow finch]

tmx isnt an image format

[sharp lake]

tsx* sorry

[fallow finch]

i used tiled to make my maps but i don't use their formats

so idk what tsx is

its a tileset hm

[sharp lake]

it's the format that I used to save the spritesheet, and then the tmx filed use the different tsx to create the map

[fallow finch]

maybe your tsx file isnt transparent

can you send it

[sharp lake]

yes of course, here it is :

[sharp lake]

the server doesn't allow me to send it

I have sent it in pm

[dawn quiver]

@fallow finch , do you know how to lock user mouse into pyglet window?

[fallow finch]

i don't really use pyglet

if your rendering is 100% moderngl i would say pygame is more solid tho

it's based on the sdl library which is made in C and has most of the features you'll need for a multimedia app

pyglet is lighter but so it has less features aside rendering

[dawn quiver]

@fallow finch what about performance

[fallow finch]

pyglet is entirely written in python

so pygame is probably faster for everything aside rendering

i would say pyglet is better to make an other library/framework upon of it

[dawn quiver]

perfect for me then

[dawn quiver]

@fallow finch do you know the cam sensitivity and player speed in minecraft?

[fallow finch]

i never made a minecraft recreation in an other language actually

[dawn quiver]

still stuck on the velocity

[fallow finch]

but you should really consider trying to port or make something similar to the code of the real game

are you sure you have to implement this before world generation and all that stuff too

[dawn quiver]

yep, i made a prototype in javascript using three.js

i know the concept

implementing in python might be my struglle though

@fallow finch, do you know how i can lock the camera inside my pyglet window?

[fallow finch]

you mean lock the mouse ?

[dawn quiver]

yes

[fallow finch]

i think thats not the thing to start with

but i'll try to find it for you

[dawn quiver]

best regards

[dawn quiver]

interesting

[fallow finch]

there's also the same thing for keyboard

[dawn quiver]

so its set_exclusive_mouse, and set_exclusive_keyboard?

[fallow finch]

yea

[dawn quiver]

it hides the mouse, but i can't interact with the block @fallow finch

[fallow finch]

wdym by interact with the block

[dawn quiver]

when i set exclusive, the cursor is gone; when i move the mouse too, i can't go anywhere

[fallow finch]

well thats not helpful, you're talking of your game logic

just debug to see if mouse detection works as you want ?

[dawn quiver]

tried it, but at no eval

[fallow finch]

i don't get it

what is a no eval

[dawn quiver]

what im trying to say there is no results on how to solve it

two words describe that whole sentence

[fallow finch]

^^^^

use print()

not your engine

[dawn quiver]

everything seems working alright

still doesn't let me move my mouse when its True

[fallow finch]

idk what you're talking about

just use print() to see if mouse detection workd

you can even make a new project to test

[dawn quiver]

the mouse lock does work

but the matrix breaks

[buoyant gazelle]

i was wondering what's a good place for 2d game assets that are free to use? Just to use for learning, i would like to make my own at some point but trying to learn a only handful of things at a time

[fallow finch]

opengameart, itch.io, random google search, ais, stealing

[buoyant gazelle]

browsing through the first one, thanks

[dawn quiver]

do u know any AI that creates 2d sprites?

something to start with tho

[dawn quiver]

https://openai.com/product/dall-e-2

https://www.fotor.com/features/ai-image-generator/

https://deepai.org/

https://art.toolbaz.com/

[modern barn]

thanks I went to stealing.gov

[sharp lake]

Hey, I was wondering if it's possible to make a parallax background like this a layer with pyscroll, I'm using pyscroll to render my map, and I make a function of parralax background but it blit over the map, because my map is created with pyscroll and the layer is 1.

[leaden jacinth]

I need a graphics guy for my pygame team

[dawn quiver]

whats good @fallow finch

do you think glfw is better than pyglet

[fallow finch]

looks like its a wrapper for the c thing

so it will force c-like code and you need something else for the sound part and probably a lot more stuff

[dawn quiver]

pyglet is limited to certain things

i was intrigued to find out you can lock the mouse at a certain position

[fallow finch]

its not limited

you just don't understand how it works

[dawn quiver]

.set_exclusive is not a great handler in simply words