game-development

[golden quartz]

ah, Ren'Py, such a great friend of the furry community... <3

[stark fossil]

lmk if any y’all wanna help develop a few indie horror games for the 3ds

[robust hearth]

in python?

[karmic sequoia]

What would be the best module for developing a basic game

[vagrant saddle]

pybasic ?

[vagrant saddle]

joking have a look to nurses_2 or pygame

and yes http://robhagemans.github.io/pcbasic/ is implemented in python 😄

[modest sierra]

Can anyone help me with pygame? I am trying to build a craps game and I am having trouble coming up with the betting system. I tried to post in the python-help system but it closed after 30 minutes. #1071150485064659064 message

[ancient granite]

Hello, i've been wanting to create a chess game for while. I am kinda new to coding (ik python, java and C). Any idea on what language should use and where should i start?

[dawn quiver]

Hello, what is good projects to work on to broaden my general programming skills? The end-goal of me making games is to both improve my programming knowledge/skill set and have fun. If anyone has tips or pointers, it will be most appreciated.

[sharp thistle]

Hi
Say I make a full fledged game using pygame where do I publish it

Or can I publish it

[half ibex]

I would publish on github if you want it to be open source otherwise I do not know where you could publish

[sharp thistle]

So just distribute it via github ?

Is that what’s everyone does ?

[half ibex]

That is how I publish my crap I dont really know what other people do. Besides ads on discord to their github

[unborn stratus]

I'm a beginner and i have a problem is ther anyone can help me

[covert summit]

use proper indentation print('correct')

@covert summit Hi

everyone

[unborn stratus]

ok thank you

[paper ginkgo]

are you 11

[unborn stratus]

no

14

but my brother needs a project so i say to him i can help

[robust hearth]

Try using itch.io

[sharp thistle]

pygame has support ?

[vagrant saddle]

yes have a look there https://itch.io/c/2563651/pygame-wasm

github pages support too, with automated publishing see there https://pygame-web.github.io/wiki/pygbag/github.io/

[sharp thistle]

ah cool

[haughty mesa]

What library is used for a game like stardew valley or cryofall?

[dawn quiver]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/be3njcfhul'

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/5f4wqcmali

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/jcupdcmyue

neat desmos links

one is an implicit function of a circle where the radius is mapped to a cosine wave.

there is also line vs circle intersection

and a four leaf clover using implicit functions

[dawn quiver]

hello you do any game programming?

[copper lynx]

How do I make it so these can move to the sides, doing the same with x=x+10 didn't work:

def ballup():
    y=ball.ycor()
    y=y+10
    ball.sety(y)
  
def balldown():
    y=ball.ycor()
    y=y-10
    ball.sety(y)```

[dawn quiver]

show your code for the x axis

[copper lynx]

Now it just crashes

This is my whole code:

import pygame
import turtle as t

window=t.Screen()
window.title("Veeze's Game")
window.bgcolor("#194D33")
window.setup(width=800,height=600)
window.tracer(0)
input()

ball=t.Turtle()
ball.speed(0)
ball.shape("circle")
ball.color("red")
ball.penup()
ball.goto(5,5)
ballxdirection=0.2
ballydirection=0.2

def ballup():
    y=ball.ycor()
    y=y+10
    ball.sety(y)
  
def balldown():
    y=ball.ycor()
    y=y-10
    ball.sety(y)

window.listen()
window.onkeypress(ballup,'w')
window.onkeypress(balldown,'s')
  
while True:
    window.update()```

[dawn quiver]

maybe set the balls y coordinate and x coordinate before entering the main loop.

or are they guaranteed to start at zero?

[copper lynx]

Yeah at the middle

[dawn quiver]

that does not intialize it

it adds to it or sibtracts from it

give it a starting value

ball.sety(0) before entering the main loop

[copper lynx]

Thanks

I also need help with adding a picture as a background instead of a color

[dawn quiver]

what i said worked?

[copper lynx]

Hmm, the window opened but the ball isn't displayed

[dawn quiver]

I would read over the documentation of turtle carefully

[copper lynx]

The thing is that it did show the ball before

[dawn quiver]

most turtle programs should do a set of specific functions

do you need to do pendown to draw the ball?

I don't know turtle module but thats my guess

it might have a different name

[copper lynx]

This is what I used for the ball:

ball=t.Turtle()
ball.speed(0)
ball.shape("circle")
ball.color("red")
ball.penup()
ball.goto(5,5)
ballxdirection=0.2
ballydirection=0.2```

[dawn quiver]

what does penup do?

why do you need that

[copper lynx]

So I should remove it

[dawn quiver]

well no

[copper lynx]

It worked after I removed it

[dawn quiver]

just i think if there is a pen up there must be a pendown

probably becuase the default position for the pen is down

so it draws

[copper lynx]

Now it's gone again

[dawn quiver]

ah sorry i don't know enough turtle to help.

any interest in pygame?

I see you are importing it

now that i can help with

[finite fable]

I want to implement physical rope between 2 points (amount of segments and their length are always constant)
But i don't know how to do it (using pygame and pymunk)

[raw falcon]

it doesn't use python

[tough fiber]

ur in a python server though lol

[haughty mesa]

But can i use python to create those type of games or better use other language?

[raw falcon]

probably

[dawn quiver]

I got a tool to code gifs to ASCII and ansi

[marble jewel]

Latest devlog here: https://youtu.be/pBvXea5_WRQ This weeks changes and additions

[sweet shard]

Pygame or Arcade would be your best bet

[glass wolf]

do spritesheets

come with metadata?

Or is it optional?

I have this png

And wanna know

how to access certain ones

like the top left one

then the next one

but idk how

(I'm using pygame)

I'm not sure how to get the coords.

[dawn quiver]

its all pixels

open your image up in an editor

and find out how big each tile is

https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/surface.html#pygame.Surface.blit

then create a surface in pygame from the loaded image

and use blit to render part of the image

start by trying to render the first character in your sprite sheet from the top left

then try the just the second

and so on untill you see a pattern

[dawn quiver]

^

[glass wolf]

that's my issue

idk how.

like what editor would I use

[glass wolf]

thank you 🙂

this worked

I used gimp

and I made a grid

to measure

it was 64x64

[dawn quiver]

nice

[dapper heron]

hi

how do i make something rotate according to the movement of the mouse (not the actual position of the cursor)?

[little galleon]

i use pygame

[dawn quiver]

Hey you there?

[dapper heron]

I am

I mostly figured the rotation issue out tho

Still not sure how to make it move according to mouse but I also had a problem with rotating around the center of the image which is what I fixed

[dawn quiver]

If you want to get the delta mouse motion have a look at the pygame docs on mouse

https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/mouse.html#pygame.mouse.get_rel

[dapper heron]

Oh great, thanks, I'll make sure to have a look

[glass wolf]

I am having an issue

using pygame across multiple files.

# Classes:
class Spritesheet:
    """
    Base class for spritesheets.
    Allows for parsing of images.

    :param spritesheet:
    """

    # Initialization:
    def __init__(self, spritesheet: pygame.image) -> None:
        # Miscellaneous:
        self.spritesheet: pygame.image = spritesheet

    # Methods:
    def get_image(self, height: int, width: int, x: int, y: int) -> pygame.Surface:
        """
        Allows for getting of images.

        :param height:
        :param width:
        :param x:
        :param y:
        """

        image = pygame.Surface((width, height)).convert_alpha()
        image.blit(self.spritesheet, (0, 0), (x, y, width, height))
        image.set_colorkey((255, 255, 255))

        return image

this for example

is in a file

not the main file

a regular file.

when using this

from the main file

i can't because

"pygame display is not initialized"

basically saying I can't use pygame functions

from another file

???

what do I do here.

I am dying

[dawn quiver]

import this file into the main file you call python on

before using any of its functionality

initialize the pygame module

[dawn quiver]

^

[glass wolf]

okay i sorta

i meant it wrong

I have a main.yp file

that imports a class from player.py

that imports the spreadsheet class from test.y

[dawn quiver]

are your files named player.py main.py and test.py

[glass wolf]

Ye

@dawn quiver

Apparently

no video mode has been set

# Imports:

# Pygame:
import pygame

# Typing:
import typing

# Initializations:
pygame.init()

# Classes:
class Spritesheet:

# Imports:

# Pygame:
import pygame

# Typing:
import typing

# OS:
import os

# Spritesheet
from .spritesheet import Spritesheet

# Initializations:
pygame.init()

# Imports:

# Pygame:
import pygame

# Core:
from core import Player

# Initializations:
pygame.init()

I've never experienced this issue before.

[glass wolf]

player.py

[glass wolf]

main.py

[glass wolf]

test.py

it thinks every file is its own

when I just want to use its functions

@dawn quiver Apparently I just had to do pygame.display.init instead of pygame.init

I hate pygame.

[lament vault]

How to pygame through command prompt

*install

[glass wolf]

pip install pygame

[heady pawn]

A thing that might help you a touch in the future is to remember that pygame is the library that you imported, display is a class, which has a method inside of that class called init.
If you want to reduce the amount of typing you do you can import that class directly

like so:

from pygame import Display

So what if you inevitably need more clases?

from pygame import Display, Sprite, Surface

What if you just don't want to type out pygame everytime?

  pg.Display.init()

You should try using pycharm if you are not already using pycharm. It is a python focused fork of Intellij (IDE) and it really has a lot of QoL improvements for newer python programmers.

[rain ermine]

anyone wanna try my game pls

[median bloom]

@rain ermine Sure ill try it. If you could give me the file and what to look out as im trying it. That would be great

[rain ermine]

ok

do i send it here

[median bloom]

Up to you. You could even DM me if you want

[rain ermine]

i sent it to u btw in the dm

[austere heart]

Hey everybody
Brand new here, Im just poking around looking for answers to a problem. Thought I'd join and ask here

On the off chance that anybody here knows UE4 python, I'm trying to find an easy-to-understand way of adding a bunch of nodes to an event graph of a blueprint
I:ve tried googling and it isnt getting me anywhere fast

[dry flame]

is there any another module on python for game development resides pygame

just curious to know..

[eternal vessel]

Arcade

[dawn quiver]

can someone run and see how well i did?

its built of of my secondary school knowledge

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/zifegoxeqe

[devout adder]

@austere heart ask chatgpt he should have an answer

[devout adder]

what's it about?

[devout adder]

same here

[austere heart]

what is chatgpt

[devout adder]

see guys I don't know why but i've trying to set pyglet for like days(or maybe weeks) now but it ain't working, i tried with 3.11 it didn't work even with 3.10 which said i have /it needs opengl to run and i tried installing it but it still won't install not to talk of work

[devout adder]

Let me brief( in my own way) chat GPT is an online Ai model that can help you write code, answer different questions and pretty much anything it can do while writing text here's the link to try it out https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

[devout adder]

it can be used to assist u in almost any agenda

[devout adder]

Pyglet, Cocos2d, PursuedPyBear, Ursina, Wasabi2D, Pyxel, Panda3D, Kivy

[broken garden]

I am a 12 year old python coder and I started making games. CHECK THEM OUT: https://gamerbr00.itch.io/space-game\

[austere heart]

Yo thanks for the link! preciate it

[dry flame]

oh, thanks for letting me know

[dawn quiver]

It's quite good buddy🎉🙂

[eternal vessel]

Nice stuff

[queen glen]

So I want to rotate a point in the 3D space using quaternion

Multiplying quaternion by another one is done, I coded it and it gives me the right result

But the first part of multiplying a quaternion with a vector

I think thats where it went wrong

Because in the operation v’=qvqConj

The second part, so (qv) * qConj

Is a quaternion by another quaternion

And like I said it works

[eternal vessel]

ah, yes I understand completely

[queen glen]

What is you don’t understand

[eternal vessel]

most of it lmao

[cold storm]

https://devtalk.blender.org/t/eevee-next/23570/86

this applies to the game engine UPBGE as well

[cyan sky]

why does pygame mixer get pos return -1

?

and it returns always -1 no matter in what pos the sound really is

[devout adder]

it's nothing, plus you're welcome 😁

[devout adder]

only if i had a better lap 😵

[devout adder]

maybe there's a mixup cause from what i know if there's anything like -1 it's either an infinite replay or it's the last song on the list

[cyan sky]

yea dunno get_busy returns false too when the sound is playing

[devout adder]

to be sincere i don't know what that does...try asking chatgpt for help, one AI u can count on, trust me

[cyan sky]

Yup chatgpt gave me the answer

[eternal hatch]

That is very ambitious

[lethal hound]

Did you try Arcade?

@mild forum great idea creating everything. But what interest for a player?
And world without rules is chaos. Imagine that some players will create perfect world, and others will generate shit.
I think there should be some general rules, maybe not restrictions but as tasks for players. People like to complete missions, got bonuses. Create just for creation not for all...

[desert beacon]

!pastebin

[next sun]

!paste

[frank field]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[proper burrow]

hey so im building an android app with a web server. anyone know how i can connect the android app to the web server?

[signal owl]

#1073957916362690662 need some help

[lethal hound]

Hi. Who knows servers for hosting small python games?

[vagrant saddle]

if using python wasm then you can use itch.io or githubpages you have some documentation here https://pygame-web.github.io/

[frank field]

Hey @fallow agate!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.zip). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[desert beacon]

!pastebi

[mortal elk]

im making a game, I've looked into different types of servers that i could use for this and tcp seems to be the most used but seems to be needlessly complex with requiring continual connection-> forcing lots of concurrency to be used if multiple clients need to connect. a request based udp server seems like it'd be much easier despite not ensuring packages delivery.

ie i have games ran by a series of requests. like player 1 may enter a movement keypress and if its permitted by the server then the game information in the server gets updated and that changed information gets relayed back which then updates every player in that rooms screen.
with the game data is continually relayed to each client to then be rendered (with an id or timestamp for each package so a previous package is never loaded)- rather than requiring lots of concurrency each game can be ran via individual requests. if hundreds of games are active at once there may be a reduction with speed but im expecting a dozen users at any one time.

so rather than running the game server like a game server with a thread for each client im running it like a database with requests and permitted changes for each client.
anyone got any thoughts or recommendations for this choice? dm me if u have alot to say btw

[tough fiber]

if your game requires low latency and consistent communication with the client and server, then using a TCP based solution might fit better

choosing between a UDP or TCP server will depend on the requirements and constraints of your game

[hybrid dragon]

Does anyone know how to program in ClickTeam Fusion?

[raw falcon]

this is for python game development

[tepid lagoon]

I just made a github and ive started to add some of the games ive made, heres one: https://github.com/Aydens-Github/Snake-game

there is some gameplay as well check out the readme

[wispy flame]

I think that for low latency it's better to use UDP

There isn't the handshake

[mortal elk]

Each player will have a 5 second window to actually do something, so if a package is lost delaying the start of your turn it'll only delay it by like .1 seconds

[devout imp]

why am i getting an error when i instasll webui

[vagrant saddle]

why not making it a github.io pages game ? probably only 3 lines to adapt and add a CI more info here https://pygame-web.github.io/

[raw falcon]

UDP-based games tend to have features that emulate TCP anyway

[marble jewel]

Latest Big Chungus Devlog here, written in Python using the Pygame module: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgpAYnSV9YI

[lament vault]

My First snake game is ready

Guide me build more high lvl games

🥲

[next sun]

you can try making platformer games now

arcade has a step by step guide on how to make a platformer https://api.arcade.academy/en/latest/examples/platform_tutorial/index.html#platformer-tutorial

[tepid lagoon]

show it

[hoary kiln]

what's the minimum level of game you think people would be interested in playing? are the days of oregon trail too far in the past or would people still play a little text based rpg?

[sweet shard]

People still play little text based rpgs

There's one on steam where you play as a king and it's done decently well

[marble jewel]

never underestimate the power of nostalgia, older PC gamers might love a new text based rpg or even a kings quest / police quest types thing

[devout parcel]

Does anyone know a better library/framework than pygame to use for developing a small game (maybe to be implemented as a web app)?

Pygame is too buggy and bulky imo

[covert lagoon]

Personally I prefer the object-oriented structure of Arcade over pygame's (lack of) structure, and, according to some benchmarks, it's more performant than pygame

[marble jewel]

Thanks boss

[devout parcel]

Thanks! I’ll make sure to try it out!

[real sage]

is anyone available to help me with maze generation of a game, i need help asap please :) dm

[echo wadi]

Q - is Arcade better than Pygame ??

[tranquil parrot]

Pygame always better hahah

[simple trench]

Seeking contributors for an awesome game. See if you'd like to contribute to creating our brain child. If you do then send me a message. We would love the help! I'll send the invite link to our project server if you're interested.

Gnomans Land is an MMORTS (Massively Multiplayer Online Real-Time Strategy) game that mixes all the best parts of Clash of Clans, Age of Empires (OG), Minecraft, Minedustry, and Stardew Valley. Without giving too much away, the minimum viable product can be summed up as a game where players build their own civilizations of reinforcement learning agents (gnomes) that they then train (oversee the training in god mode) to survive against the elements, disease, and predators. The game's objective is to build a robust population of trained gnomes, which can be drafted into an army to conquer an open-world space or develop new cities and expand their empire. The area they can travel in will contain the actual towns of other players at random intervals. Remember Stronghold Crusader 2? Similar to that. The game will have a Minecraft-like world and likely involve resource management, combat, and strategy elements.

https://github.com/grahamwaters/GnomansLand

I welcome anyone that wants to join us (team of 3 so far) in creating this game. It is a game that I would have loved as a kid and still would find interesting. I want to play it. Contact me with any questions via LinkedIn or here on Discord.

[frank field]

Hey @green raven!

It looks like you tried to attach a Python file - please use a code-pasting service such as https://paste.pythondiscord.com

[keen vault]

Hello!

Anyone know how to import 3D models in a 2D game unity?

[flat comet]

Got PvP cards working in Dreamphone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzjhaPWaBJs

[vagrant saddle]

for webapp if you don't want pygame or 3D, i suggest raylib+ctypes bindings "raypyc" and pygbag packaging. But that means your game will require some webgl1 support ( should be universally supported by now )

see here for more https://github.com/sDos280/raylib-python-ctypes/issues/10

[modest prism]

Is kivy good for 3d game development?

or should i use pygame instead?

Actually, is python good for game development? Cons and pros?

[lethal hound]

Did you tried arcade

[modest prism]

Nope

[lethal hound]

https://github.com/pythonarcade/arcade

[modest prism]

but it says 2d

[lethal hound]

For 3d there are panda3d and ursina

For pro 3d games python is not very suited I think.
2D games can also be interested.
To create pro 3d game you need to have pro team with designers.
If you are pro with blender for example, you can try do it yourself, panda3d allow to import from blender.

[covert lagoon]

For 3d you'd very likely want a game engine that handles most of the low level stuff for you. The main ones (afaik anyway) are unreal, unity, and godot. For the most part, unreal uses c++, unity uses c#, and godot uses gdscript or c#. However, since godot is open source, the community has made unofficial bindings for using python with godot. It's not as well documented or used as gdscript, but it's technically possible to make 3d games w/ python as an indie dev (most people wouldn't tho)

[dawn quiver]

the bigger shape is the minkowski sum of the two smaller shapes
you can see the bigger shape is composed of edges of the two smaller shapes
it is as if one shape were dragged around the perimeter of another
this algorithm i made only works for 2d shapes
but this sum can be used in game programming for collision detection and resolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_addition

the algorithm i used can be found under Algorithms for computing Minkowski sums the Planar case

So i could use the minkowski sum to detect if this square is in the lower right shape.

by testing if the center point of the square is inside the minkowski sum (larger shape)

[modest prism]

alright, thanks a lot

[lethal hound]

Why devs said that pygame is the best?
I see that arcade is more useful and provide more modern features
https://realpython.com/arcade-python-game-framework/
Maybe I am wrong. I am newbie and starting with these two and want to make right choice.

[median pond]

I believe you need to indent that pg.quit() yo under running=False

@dawn quiver here is an example:

    red = pygame.Rect(700, 300, SPACESHIP.WIDTH, SPACESHIP.HEIGHT)
    yellow = pygame.Rect(100, 300, SPACESHIP.WIDTH, SPACESHIP.HEIGHT)
    clock = pygame.time.Clock()
    run = True
    while run:
        clock.tick(gameset.FPS) # Calls FPS to set the tick to control frame rate
        for event in pygame.event.get():
            if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
                run = False
                pygame.quit()```

[wicked tartan]

Pygame is on the public scene for much longer, so I think it's why it's both more popular and more appreciated.

I guess it also has more features than Arcade then?
I never tried Arcade to affirm or deny anything about it.

[lethal hound]

Thank you for answer. Yes, seems pygame have more history and community. I am not guess that one is better other. I just want to understand what I should start from.
And pygame will live a long, it is good supported and improved and continue to develop.
Maybe only try both I can say what is more suitable for me.

[eternal hatch]

Pygame's documentation is amazing

And it has the super helpful Rect, Vector2, and Surface objects

But unless you understand opengl you'll be stuck with cpu run graphics

[eternal hatch]

It's probably smarter to start with Pygame, you'll have more people that can help you out if you get stuck.

Not saying you have to stay with pygame forever.

[lethal hound]

Thank you, It's great t be a part of community.

[eternal hatch]

Another reason is that when working with Pygame, you'll be working at a slightly lower level than arcade.
You have to learn how to implement things like cameras, physics, tiles, etc. (According to the comparison page https://api.arcade.academy/en/latest/pygame_comparison.html Arcade has support for cameras, tile maps, and physics. They do misrepresent Pygame on this page a tiny bit by saying that they [Arcade] have physics support, linking to PyMunk while saying that Pygame has none [which is false because Pygame can also work with PyMunk].)
Apart from this, in my personal opinion, it is smarter to start lower level, implementing cameras, tile maps, and physics all on your own first. Then, once you thoroughly understand them, move up a layer of abstraction (or continue with your own implementations) and use libraries like this. But that's just my thought.

They do subtly misrepresent pygame a few times on this comparison page, quite annoying: but I guess everyone has a bias.

[lethal hound]

I as a web dev think the same about JS. That newbies must learn JS first and then move to TS and frameworks... But on my own I so well know JS and so love it that do not want to move up a layer of abstraction and prefer to implement all with low level JS as it gives me power and pleasure to make all myself and by my rules

[eternal hatch]

It's funny that we're calling Python and JS low level languages...

[shell yoke]

c is technically a high level language too lol bc it's architecture independent

[lethal hound]

Yep, all is relative... 🙂

@eternal hatchI saw your work at itch.io. Well done.

[eternal hatch]

AAAH, you can't send that when I want to send:

int main() {}

[eternal hatch]

Thanks, that is my current game dev skill there with Pineapple, trying to make each game better now...

[lethal hound]

Why do you use itch.io, not steam or others. As newbie I want to understand this topic also

[shell yoke]

itch isn't by such a big company

[eternal hatch]

Steam = $$$

[shell yoke]

and ppl can adjust the revenue share

with steam and other places it's fixed

[eternal hatch]

I think you have to pay $100 to get a game on steam, and I've heard it can be painful. I've spent $0 on gamedev so far, and I'll probably keep it that way for a while. Plus I don't think Pineapple's worth spending $100 on. It doesn't even get any attention on itch.io anyways, no need to waste the monies.

[dawn quiver]

pineapple is great visually

the part with the spikes in the first level is pretty hard though

i thought the sound of the door was funny

the ambient sounds are nice

one thing that makes the platforming difficult is that once you let go of a key it cuts your horizontal velocity

it would be nice if you maintained some of your horizontal velocity after you press a key.

i think i got it now though

you jump first then move

instead of moving then jumping

spikes had more leeway than i thought

it has very nice polish and seems complete well done

[eternal hatch]

You can jump while walking

[eternal hatch]

Their hitbox is actually the same as the tiles, 5x5 pixels. I wanted them to actually have a little bit more leeway, but since I structured it funny, that was viable without tons of extra work I didn't care to do.

[eternal hatch]

But thank you so much!

[eternal hatch]

That is intentional. I like platformers such as Hollow Knight and Celeste, both of these have very quick acceleration and deceleration, giving more control to the player. Adding unnecessary drift probably also makes bits that have 1 pixel of error much more annoying.

[dawn quiver]

yes that makes sense good call.

[fallow finch]

arcade is not really relevant

it's based on pyglet which is actually able to make 3d games btw

but it's not the easiest thing to use and you can't really make very advanced 3d with python

[fallow finch]

you can use gpu with pygame btw, with the _sdl2.video module

but it's a little bit hidden in the docs because unfinished

[lethal hound]

Yep, I think they will extend its ability to arcade later, but who knows.
Thanks for your answer. I am not going to go into 3D, I am not very good in 2D drawing, what to talk about 3D 🙂

[viscid maple]

I have to put Bionic Blue (video - early development/prototype) on itchio as well. Didn't have time yet because I'm working heavily on Nodezator this month (among other tasks).

Anyone can download from github or install from pip, though. Github link of this and other pygame projects: https://github.com/IndiePython

[eternal hatch]

Actually, I'm better at 3D modeling than 2D drawing

[fallow finch]

yea, i think sometimes it's better to use 3d when you don't do art

like, minecraft was made of cubes with terrible textures and people didnt care about this

[lethal hound]

Blender?

What you actually use for creating sprites and gasphics for games?

[eternal hatch]

Yes, I don't actually make 3D games though

[eternal hatch]

I use good old Ms Paint and @foggy python 's Px Editor (https://dafluffypotato.itch.io/px-editor)

I've heard that asprite (https://www.aseprite.org) is a common tool for game dev (if you're into pixel art), but it costs money.

Also, another good tool to have, is GIMP (https://www.gimp.org; basically like free photoshop), but I don't use it for pixel art.

I'm not even that good at game dev, but there are a lot of tools that help

[lethal hound]

@eternal hatch thank you.

[lethal hound]

It costs 20$. Not so much as IDEs.

[dawn quiver]

I made a chaotic ping pong game

[mortal elk]

TypeError: argument 1 must be pygame.Surface, not pygame.Rect
anyone know if the functions
.get_width()
.get_height()
.blit()
.convert_alpha()
can change a surface into a rect? because i keep getting the error listed above dispite not using pygame.Rect

[mortal elk]

i think fill() returns a rect, no clue how to fix this though. cant find anything on converting a rect into a surface for pygame

[eternal hatch]

There's a function for it I think

hold on

yeah

it's literally just .get_rect()

a Surface method

[mortal elk]

that returns a rect, i need something that takes a rect and returns a surface

[eternal hatch]

so like:

surf = pygame.Surface((10, 10))
rect = surf.get_rect() # rect = pygame.Rect(0, 0, 10, 10)

[mortal elk]

i need the exact opposite of this lol

[eternal hatch]

You can just create a surface:

rect = pygame.Rect(10, 34, 10, 10)
surf = pygame.Surface((rect.width, rect.height)) # Note surfaces don't have locations, so 10, 34 won't be used. You can define a position to blit the surface though

[mortal elk]

because fill also turns surfaces into rectangles i either need an alternative to fill that doesnt change surfaces into rectangles. or i need a function to change rectangles into surfaces

[eternal hatch]

This is the basics of surfaces, you know how when you create your screen/window variable?

screen = pygame.display.set_mode((1200, 800))

screen in this case is a surface

[mortal elk]

https://pastebin.com/ejXd7Ei1
look at line 38 and 39, im using a clear surface to apply the self.image picture onto. this makes it work with being clear but makes self.immage turn into a rect which i dont want

[eternal hatch]

so when you draw something like a circle

pygame.draw.circle(screen, (255, 0, 0), 100, 100, 50)

[mortal elk]

so when i run that code i get an error because the self.immage argument on line 48 is now a rect because of the line 38-39 part

[eternal hatch]

I don't think that blit returns anything

[mortal elk]

line 95, in <module>
test.frame_render()
line 49, in frame_render
self.immage = self.framesurface.blit(self.immage,
TypeError: argument 1 must be pygame.Surface, not pygame.Rect
thats what i get

[eternal hatch]

You are bliting self.immage onto the clear_surface Surface

[mortal elk]

but the clear surface is a rectangle because of the fill line

[eternal hatch]

Surfaces aren't rectangles

[mortal elk]

yes

but the fill command turns surfaces into rectangles

[eternal hatch]

surfaces are images

if you fill a surface with a color, it will display as a solid rectangle

[mortal elk]

from pygame doccumentation
fill()
fill Surface with a solid color
fill(color, rect=None, special_flags=0) -> Rect

the fill command makes it a rect

[eternal hatch]

you can return a rect with .get_rect()

[mortal elk]

but the blit method only works with surfaces so i need a surface, not a rect

[eternal hatch]

It is kind of hard to tell what you are doing exactly

clear_surface.fill(color)
clear_surface is still a Surface, but if you
clear_surface = clear_surface.fill(color)
that would return a rect

[mortal elk]

im taking an immage, and loading a frame of it with transparency, and putting it at a preset size. so like every possible texture to be loaded in works.

so i load a texture to self.immage
then i make a clear surface using the fill command
then i put the self.immage onto the clear surface to prevent an issue where the clear pixels would be filled in.

then i want to blit a single frame of that onto the display surface

[eternal hatch]

can't you just use .color_key(color)

[mortal elk]

and im getting this error
line 95, in <module>
test.frame_render()
line 49, in frame_render
self.immage = self.framesurface.blit(self.immage,
TypeError: argument 1 must be pygame.Surface, not pygame.Rect
dispite not using any rectangles.
so i thought the fill command on line 38 was causing issues by changing the surface into a rect

[eternal hatch]

I'm kinda confused still, are you trying to get an image that has transparency

[mortal elk]

that would require a coulor being non usable. the entire point of this code is to work with any texture

[eternal hatch]

ok

I think an issue is that you are
self.immage = clear_surface.blit(self.immage,(0,0),(0,0,finalsize[0],finalsize[1]))

[mortal elk]

but why would that return "TypeError: argument 1 must be pygame.Surface, not pygame.Rect"

because that means self.immage is a rect rather than a surface

but it was never changed into a rect

[eternal hatch]

yes it was, I found it

ok

This code blits self.immage onto the surface clear_surface and then it returns a Rect which you then assign to self.immage
self.immage = clear_surface.blit(self.immage,(0,0),(0,0,finalsize[0],finalsize[1]))

[mortal elk]

but blit it ment to return a surface is it not??

[eternal hatch]

I generally don't use the rect blit returns

if you want to blit onto self.immage, just
self.immage.blit(surf, pos)

[mortal elk]

wait does it remain a surface if its just kept as clear_surface.blit(self.immage,(0,0),(0,0,finalsize[0],finalsize[1]))

[eternal hatch]

self.immage will remain, but it will remain unchanged

[mortal elk]

then i can just put self.immage = clear_surface on the next line

[eternal hatch]

It will be the same as when it was loaded unless you wish to modify it

mmm

[mortal elk]

bruh thats so annoying

why is that tiny difference not spoken about more bruh

[mortal elk]

if you just load it and blit it onto the screen the transparency is lost. so you convert to transparency and blit to a transparent surface before the screen

[lone olive]

is there any one who can help me to begin python please
i'm new in this "world"
and i'm french

[eternal hatch]

There's much to learn

[eternal hatch]

Let me compile some resources

[lone olive]

Thanks, you can add me to teach me and send me what you want

[nimble owl]

Hi all,

As part of my masters degree in electrical engineering I want to make a simulation for very simple particle physics.

I'm looking for a simple 3D graphic library that will allow me to draw lines and boxes in colors (in 3d space, with some mouse pan and rotation) to represent my apparatus.

Looked into pyglet but it seemed more work that it was worth. Pygame allows for 2D only. Any suggestions?

Are there any graphic engines that use python even as a scripting language?

Thanks!

[covert lagoon]

Blender?

[nimble owl]

I thought about it.
Can you work it through ide or would I have to use blender itself?
Also it seems like more work that it might be worth, no?

[covert lagoon]

Well seems like you're asking for a 3d rendering engine and have python compatibility, and blender is the first thing that comes to mind. I haven't really done anything with it, so I can't say exactly what the workflow would be like

[tranquil girder]

https://www.ursinaengine.org/

[nimble owl]

Seems promising, I'll look into it

[lethal hound]

Why you started developing ursina?
You had good 2d games before. What did you use for that games, pygame?

[tranquil girder]

No, I used Unity before. However, Unity is really slow at compiling, importing assets, entering play mode, doing stuff in the editor in general. It's also hard to reuse things across projects since everything's spread around. The API is also too complex for no reason I think. When they started making it harder and harder to use, I eventually decided to create replacement for myself. Ursina is actually similar to Unity in a lot of ways. The GameObject/Entity class and the automatic update functions. A lot functions are named the same too. I still use Unity at work, but I can spend several hours every week just waiting for Unity, so I'm glad I don't have to deal with that outside of work at least

[lethal hound]

Thank you for your story and what you do. Thats really inspiring.
You know I am new to game dev and just started looking here and there, I am just tired from decades of webdev and want to make something for fun and creating great content to others. Your work, games you made and framework you do is good example for me.
Thank you! And have a lot of of luck on your path!

[eternal hatch]

Ursina is pretty cool

[grizzled nest]

can someone help me with some broekn code

if youd directly ping me if someone does intend to help me

im trying to make a counter to count clicks when i click a mage on screen except evrytime i try to do it the counter will not show up

heres the code

(im using turtle)

import turtle
#adds turtle fetures

wn = turtle.Screen()

wn = turtle.Screen()
wn.title("atleast six cookies")
wn.bgcolor("black")
#adds screan aplication name and make backgroudn

wn.register_shape("cookie.gif")
cookie = turtle.Turtle()
cookie.shape("cookie.gif")
cookie.speed(0)
cookie.goto ( 0, -200)

#adds cookie and puts it in its location

clicks = 0

counter = turtle.Turtle()
counter.hideturtle()
counter.color("White")
counter.penup()
counter.goto(0, 400)
counter.write(f"clicks:{clicks}", align="center", font=("Courier New", 32, "normal"))

#defines click and adds counter

def clicked(x, y):
global clicks
clicks += 1
counter.clear()
counter.write(f"clicks:{clicks}", align="center", font=("Courier New", 32, "normal"))
cookieclick(clicked)
wn.mainloop()

#makes so when click cookie counter increase

while cookieclick(clicked) true {
cookie(0, -100) }

#experement to simulate animation tpe thing

ignore past line 40

[lyric gale]

Do you recommend me to use pygame? or is there another better library for creating games?

[dawn quiver]

There are plenty, and right now pygame is going through some trouble

The lead maintainer banned many of the active folks and they came together to create pygame-ce, which is probably going to get more development than the original pygame, but that also means you'll have to install it differently

There are plenty other libraries or even frameworks and full fledged game engines you can write python code for, choose what works best for you, ill give you some popular options

• pygame
• arcade
• raylib
• ursina
• godot with python bindings

[mortal elk]

anyone familiar with pygame can help me out, im using a transform.scale() function and its scaling the surface without scaling the png on it.

so i have a png of an apple that is 200pixels roughly, and im scaling it to 100 but all im getting is this

[nimble owl]

In ursina, how do I render 2D objects when looking at them from their anti-normal face?

[tranquil girder]

anti-normal face?

you want the model to be double sided?

[nimble owl]

they have a normal side and the other side, right? once you pan to the back of the normal side the object disappear

[tranquil girder]

yeah, just
double_sided=True

on the Entity

[nimble owl]

Thanks!

[lethal hound]

Does that mean that to choose pygame for newcommer game dev is bad idea?

[fallow finch]

if you just want to make a game and you're completely new to dev in general, using python is not the easy way to start

however if you already know python, pygame is fine, latest version can actually do hardware rendering so it's usable in its current state

if you're very good at python you can go with something even lower level, like pysdl2 (basic bindings for sdl2 functions), or pyglet (can do 3d hardware acceleration, 3d graphics, and load textures using gpu)

[lethal hound]

Arcade is developing using pyglet. Maybe to start from it will be good idea

[fallow finch]

yea, that's why i think its not very relevant

there's also raylib that looks like a nice framework for games in general but just like arcade

it works but i don't know if a lot of other libs will work with it (or if you'll be able to find code)

like, pygame can easily be used with pillow or opencv (for image modification), pyopengl/moderngl...

pyglet is pretty raw but it's the most powerful one i guess

[lethal hound]

Thanks

[viscid maple]

Can't talk about pyglet/arcade or other python gamedev lib since I only have experience with pygame (being using it since 2017).

I'll just say that pygame is very beginner-friendly. It has an abundant supply of tutorials and even books written about its usage and a very active community of users. There are games made in pygame on both itchio and steam. There are multi-hour detailed videos on youtube on the creation of games like 2D Zelda, Mario and Stardew Valley.

pygame is unmatched when it comes to simplicity. It is just very bare-bones, the documentation is small and yet covers everything (or at least most stuff).

It just gives you a canvas and little more and wishes you good luck. It doesn't give you a framework and heavy equipment to build your apps/games. Rather, it gives you cement and bricks. It doesn't provide many tools, only the most basic ones. It doesn't enforce any kind of style or structure to your code.

All of this means pygame gets out of your way as a creator. You won't have to spend time debugging or improving a bad subsystem someone wrote because there is none to begin with, so it forces you to take matters into your hand and to really understand and control whats going on. After all, you'll have to write in most cases.

In the end of the day, pygame is just a tool like any other, it is objectively not better nor worse for gamedev (or app dev) then the others listed before. I'll say this, though: it is very straightforward and easy to use. So much that a lot of people even use it to develop apps and small applications as well, rather than using full-fledged GUI libs/frameworks.

[fallow finch]

yes, documentation and the huge amount of tutorial videos on youtube is a good point too

at the same time it has a terrible reputation tho, due to being the most known multimedia module for the language most beginners use and so the 40000 Gb of terrible code you can find on stack overflow

[viscid maple]

the 40000 Gb of terrible code you can find on stack overflow

I won't deny your claim, but I can't confirm it also.

Not saying there's no bad code out there, it is just that if something is easy to use and has lots of popularity, isn't it a bit expected that many beginners will use and as a result there will be much code written by inexperienced people.

If someone wants to do something more seriously, it is only natural that the person will have to look a bit longer to find more advanced materials. Still, those materials exist and there's a lot of content produced for pygame.

I reiterate: pygame is not THE tool. It is just A tool (a good, simple one). The result of its usage depends largely on the ability of the one using it, not the tool itself. Even so, people should use what they are comfortable with. I can only share my experience and let other make their own judgement/decisions.

Ah, by the way, if anyone wants an example of a somewhat complex project made with pygame I invite you to take a look at the node editor I made. https://github.com/IndiePython/nodezator (this is not advertisement, it is all free of charge and the source is dedicated to the public domain!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlQJvuU7Z_8

Also, just to enrich the debate, if anyone is interested in a quick very tiny discussion on code quality for gamedev with Python check this small twitter thread as well https://twitter.com/KennedyRichard/status/1441426171837620236

🦣 @[e-mail] (@KennedyRichard)

@reuvenmlerner I use Python for game development and I'm always thinking of ways to convey to people that gamedev w/ Python isn't any inferior to gamedev w/ compiled langs. It is just that the tradeoffs are different in each "paradigm". Python gamedev is incredibly maintainable and extensible.

Twitter · Sep 24, 2021, 3:35 PM

[fallow finch]

code quality is one of the interesting points of python if you want to use it to make a game from scratch

code of games that are written from scratch in C++ are generaly not really readable for other people, while python scripts are generaly readable by everyone

and idk a language that does the job better tbh

java is really readable but large programs made with it take a bit more time to read

[dawn quiver]

I wouldnt say that, but it also depends on what purpose they are doing game dev to begin with
I wouldnt say theres any benefit to using pygame over godot and learning gd script to make games if one is looking to become a serious game developer
But if it's just to learn python itself, I'd say pygame is a good bet

[rain vigil]

ok

nice'

[marble jewel]

Latest Big Chungus Devlog here: https://youtu.be/qUvKXMNoC2Y made entirely using Python and the Pygame module

[dawn quiver]

Hello, Does anyone write some text RPG in python(just as a MVP for player advancing systems etc.) and transfer it to Unity or smth which can provide faster, easier and overall better experience than pygame? 😄

[dawn quiver]

At first look it seems very nice, I will try to catch up all your videos 😉

[marble jewel]

Thanks, much appriciated, as far as your question goes I would recommend sticking to one or the other and not having to port or transfer over to another system. A text RPG sound like a perfect use case for pygame, at most you'd have to write a bit more code to get it going but that is something pygame should be able to handle no problem

[fallow finch]

there's no reason to make a base for a game in a different engine than the final game

[dawn quiver]

I have Veery basic 2D multiplayer RPG behind in my PyGame with such functionalities working:

So I have some experience with PyGame 😄 I have learned a lot during it, but it was very poorly written by me(2 years ago, so I have a lot better understanding of programming at all rn) The point is, that I can't use C/C# or anything else and I believe it would take really some solid amount of work to get any decent level, while I have some Python skills. So I am thinking what will be the best way to do some fun game for myself and maybe friends 😄 But it would be probably 2 big for pygame

[fallow finch]

wdym by too big

you want to implement shaders or real 3d / something else resource intensive ?

or more advanced multiplayer

[dawn quiver]

Naah, it will be still 2D, but with multiplayer, not MMO like I was trying previous time, but something more like a Diablo

[fallow finch]

what are the features you want to implement that are too intensive for pygame ?

[dawn quiver]

Overall it takes 34 initial classes, with lvl generator, class generator, skill generator, item generator, multiplayer etc. it should be like infinity game

Which will be growing by each user playing it

[marble jewel]

you need to start small and work your way up, just focus on one piece at a time

[fallow finch]

idk if multiplayer part is going to be really intensive, but aside this i don't get what prevents you from adding more content in pygame project

[dawn quiver]

Maybe you're right that I should stick to PyGame, I just remembered that whenever I Faced some problems during last project on pygame, there was like 0 similar problems resolved to get some help, and everyone was just like: move to unity, there was resolved here like 100 times 😄

[fallow finch]

what kind of problems

[dawn quiver]

When I had for example 3 players logged in into the game, and there was enemy which has to follow the one he saw first, so I was struggling to make it work

In general there was no ressources about making some decent multiplayer, I remember that main logic was in every client and server was only for getting and sending information, while know I think that all the logic should take place in server

Because the client logic there was a lot of problems with multi, for example, when both players at the same time attacked the enemy - he lose hp only once

There is also really time consuming to prepare collision system for each element

[fallow finch]

i mean yeah that's what making a game with no engine is

[dawn quiver]

I don't remember all the problems, but I believe with Unity it would be really faster, the main problem is that it will be no longer Python, that's why I am asking if anyone prepared like only main function MVP in python( to check if idea is good) and move to Unity

Like you know, looking for someone to talk about it, if it was worth, how it was done, maybe some good 3rd party tool etc.

[fallow finch]

unity will be really faster but you don't need unity power for everything

[dawn quiver]

I mean not only faster by executing the game, but also development process should be easier

[fallow finch]

there's not a lot of pros in making a game in raw python yea but there's still a few ones

[marble jewel]

I highly doubt making an MVP in pygame then porting it to unity is the way to go

[fallow finch]

one of my favourite ones is the cheat engine / other cheat programs vulnerability

python is like so secure lol

[dawn quiver]

I didn't think of Pygame, pure python classes for logic like classes, skills, dmg calculaction, lvl scalling etc, proof of concept as 1 day of writing text RPG, and whole graphic thing, and logic of fights, movement etc. prepared on main engine(unity)

[dawn quiver]

Yeah that's true

[fallow finch]

dmg calculation and scaling is not really something easier to make in different engines right

[marble jewel]

mixing the two is something that no one does, it sounds like you are just avoiding switching from python to c/c#

[dawn quiver]

I believe whole game logic in terms of "Mathematics" I would say, would be easier for me to do in Python, but I mean about the playing layer, collision, movement, graphipcs, animation, level creation etc. it should be faster to do in game engine like unity

[fallow finch]

yes graphic stuff and animation takes a lot of time to do without an engine

making a performant code to dynamically load assets too, that's not very hard to do in python imo but engines do it all for you

[dawn quiver]

Yeah I would like to avoid it as much as possible haha 😄

[dawn quiver]

Have you maybe good examples(github) of how it should be done correctly? Because as I remember it was really very long proccess for me to make all the graphics for 1 lvl and collisions etc.

[marble jewel]

my suggestion then would be to stick with pygame and just tackle one problem at a time, solve enough problems and you will end up having a neat little game engine

[fallow finch]

be sure to make a good codebase

then making more levels should not take so much time

[dawn quiver]

That's the reason why I stopped working on previous one haha, the code was poor

[marble jewel]

yes, I get the feeling you are trying to tackle too much at once and you need to just slow down and start small, one thing at a time

[dawn quiver]

Have you prepared some generator for map, or did you add all line by line in terms of graphics?

[fallow finch]

[marble jewel]

my maps are chunk based and use perlin noise to determine which tile should be what

[fallow finch]

perlin noise is so popular nowadays

[marble jewel]

technically I am using the opensimplex module but yeah its the same thing

[fallow finch]

i have my own code for 2D/3D perlin noise

in numpy

[dawn quiver]

Hmm, I believe I will try to start working on this with Python, and we will see how it will goes, maybe this last 2 years there was some development in terms of sources of knowledge how to write game in Pygames 😄

[marble jewel]

I didn't want to get lost in the weeds with the math behind it, I just wanted something that works, would you say writing my own using numpy would result in faster noise calc?

[fallow finch]

numpy works with numba

so like this it's fast yea

[marble jewel]

hmm now I am wondering what opensimplex uses under the hood, if its the same thing then maybe not worth switching

but fast chunk generation times can be important

[fallow finch]

numba can go to like 60% of C speed sometimes

[marble jewel]

not bad, ill look into it

[fallow finch]

some test with recursive fibonacci implementation took 12 seconds with numba, 8 with C, and a few minutes with basic python iirc

[marble jewel]

ultimately tho I should probably just code up some sort of thread or multiprocessing based chunk generation, but I haven't needed to yet

[fallow finch]

joblib can be used for this i guess

very easy way, not sure if it's best way tho

[marble jewel]

I'll take a look, I really just wish that multiprocessing was more intuitive with python

[fallow finch]

i don't really use the multiprocessing package, i'm really not sure if it's good for small things like math functions

joblib allows to run the same function in parallel, with configurable amount of threads

[marble jewel]

threading is great but still limited

anyways, good chat I've got to go

have a good one

[fallow finch]

alright bye

[dawn quiver]

bye bye

[past ocean]

import random

Set the range for the game

low = 1
high = 20

Generate a random number within the range

number = random.randint(low, high)

Prompt the user to guess the number

print(f"I'm thinking of a number between {low} and {high}. Can you guess what it is?")
guess = int(input())

Loop until the user guesses correctly

while guess != number:
# Provide feedback to the user
if guess < number:
print("Too low. Guess again.")
else:
print("Too high. Guess again.")
# Prompt the user to guess again
guess = int(input())

The user has guessed the correct number!

print(f"Congratulations! The number was {number}.")

I tried this code in Termux but it didn't worked

[snow star]

Hi I am curious I was creating my python game and wanted to add my own background music. And I have found http://sampulator.com/ and http://scribble.audio/ and https://roland50.studio/ and I do not know how it is with their license. Can I use it for commercial use? Somebody who knows? Thanks

[eternal hatch]

Works for me

I didn't use Termux

[past ocean]

How can I use it on termux ?

[eternal hatch]

I don't know what termux is

[past ocean]

Termux is a terminal

For mobile

I've downloaded python in it but still it's not working

[eternal hatch]

what python version?

[past ocean]

1

[eternal hatch]

uuh

that's outdated

You probably should be using a Python 3.x

[past ocean]

Am I using correctly ?

[eternal hatch]

You are on 3.11.2

[past ocean]

It's outdated ?

[eternal hatch]

version 1.0 is

[past ocean]

Should I download latest version ?

[eternal hatch]

No, 3.11.2 is fine. I was saying that you picked an outdated version because you said you had Python 1.

[past ocean]

It's Python 3 ?

[eternal hatch]

3.11.2 is python 3

[past ocean]

Ok

How can I run this code ?

[eternal hatch]

It would probably be smarter to run it in a text file instead of typing each line into the interpreter

[past ocean]

What word editor should I use ?

[eternal hatch]

If you're new to Python, you should get it on your laptop/pc, not a mobile device

[past ocean]

OK I'm going to run on my pc

Thanks mam for your time, Have a good day

[eternal hatch]

I have no clue how Termux works, so it depends on what they allow you to use. If Termux is a terminal only app, I'd recommend a terminal text editor such as nano

[eternal hatch]

Ahh, it's the profile pic, I'm actually a guy who likes to play Celeste (pfp is the main character of the game)

[eternal hatch]

You too, have a good day.

[past ocean]

OK thanks bro

[twin thicket]

Replit is good for mobile (but you can't replace it with pc) ! if you're beginner

[eternal hatch]

Never learned Python on Mobile, but I'm sure it is 97.234234564% times more painful than PC

[twin thicket]

Replit is cloud based software (i'm not doing any promotion) its way easier than pc ! Just you have to type ! just it ! even a 6 grade student can do programming in it ! don't even have to install anything it it ! Try it out may it'll help

[eternal hatch]

I've played with Replit before, it is kinda slow

[twin thicket]

Ya caz its an early project ! Lotta bugs but its improving day by day

Now its just for practicing ! For student

[eternal hatch]

Installing Python is better in my opinion though, you can do more and it runs faster.
But if you want to code only in the cloud, another great option (that I have used, but it does lack some functionality compared to Replit) is pythonanywhere.

[dawn quiver]

I believe this channel is about game-development, so in terms of gamedevelopment using Python, I can't see any other possibility than installing it loccaly

[eternal hatch]

Best argument, but you can technically make pygame games on Replit, they just take a garbage amount of time to load.

Imagine adding one line of code, and then you have to wait 2 minutes (I don't know exactly what the wait time is) before you can see the results

pain

[dawn quiver]

Haha, yeah, I believe in all terms locally installed python on Desktop is the best, even when I was using pythonanywhere i Had everything written in PyCharm on PC push it to git, and pull from git into Pythonanywhere 😄

[dawn quiver]

Have someone knew about some gitub repository with Pygame Multiplayer games? just to check how he was working with server

[fallow finch]

idk but multiplayer isnt a feature of pygame so it would be the same with multiplayer + any other python multimedia lib i guess

[dawn quiver]

Ik, last time I was using sockets and I believe I do it very poorly, so was thinking maybe someone have some good source about this 😉

[fallow finch]

there's this playlist on youtube but there's no repo

[vagrant saddle]

also have a look to pyenet it is a very robust binding to a C networking library used in numerous games

[kindred fox]

hello everyone does anyone know why is my character not moving ? class game:
def init(self):
self.width = 700
self.height = 500
self.screen_name = pygame.display.set_caption("game")
self.screen = pygame.display.set_mode((self.width, self.height))
self.background = pygame.image.load("space.jpg").convert()

def character(self):
    self.pos_x = self.width / 2
    self.pos_y = self.height / 1.5
    self.my_monster =pygame.image.load("mymonster.jpg").convert()
    return self.my_monster

def move(self):
    self.key = pygame.key.get_pressed()
    if self.key[pygame.K_LEFT]:
        self.pos_x -= 5
    elif self.key[pygame.K_RIGHT]:
        self.pos_x += 5
    elif self.key[pygame.K_UP]:
        self.pos_y -= 5
    elif self.key[pygame.K_DOWN]:
        self.pos_y += 5

def run(self):
    while True:
        for i in pygame.event.get():
            if i.type == pygame.QUIT:
                pygame.quit()
                sys.exit()
        self.move()
        self.screen.blit(self.background, (0,0))
        self.screen.blit(self.character(), (self.pos_x, self.pos_y))
        pygame.display.update()

[eternal vessel]

You're resetting it's X and Y coords everytime you call the character method*

!code

[frank field]

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

[kindred fox]

so what should i do ?

[eternal vessel]

You could try putting the

self.pos_x = self.width / 2
self.pos_y = self.height / 1.5```Inside the `__init__` method

Just make sure it only runs once

[kindred fox]

it works

thank you

[eternal vessel]

No prob

[carmine crater]

I've been trying to create a overlay that shows over a game application. Thus far I've tried pygame, pyautogui, and one other I can't think of at the moment. I haven't had much luck with this. I ended up using Win32API which has yielded the best results. To test this, I've been trying to make a bright red box appear in the center of the screen on top of a existing game. I'm able to get it to work with other applications however with the game, it is not showing up or it's not persisting (maybe due to refresh). Does anyone have a suggestion on a Python module which may be able to accomplish this?

[carmine crater]

Moreover, the way I've been doing it via Python is by using the Win32API module. I have been retrieving Device Context object for the application i'm trying to display over (using the respective hWnd). Then attaching my rectangle to that. I'm unsure if this would work better if I use the device context for the entire screen? I'm semi familiar with WinAPI due to another programming language I used in the past however I think there's a better way to do this. Any help would be really appreciated. I've followed a handful of dead ends on stackoverflow, etc.

[raw falcon]

python 1.0 was released in january 1994

[vagrant spear]

My own raytracer in python

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1076265067919712368/1077308779449831434/220175234-b69bcc2f-292d-4b90-aad7-f1e7976169cd.png

https://github.com/linux-admin0001/raytracer

Please star)

✨

[robust hearth]

Your init function has the wrong name. It should be with doubles underscored

[kindred fox]

Yeah I know it just when I past it it disappears @robust hearth

[robust hearth]

Oh sorry

[kindred fox]

It's fine 👍

[bitter iris]

Pretty!!!

[covert lagoon]

Discord markup makes things surrounded by two underscores be underlined, which is one of the reasons why code blocks are good, because that doesn't happen in them

[robust hearth]

How do you do those?

[eternal vessel]

__underlines the word between the underscores__

I used backslashes to cancel out the effect

support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline-

or just open that link to see how to do everything

[muted echo]

Hi everyone, I am new to python and while learning i created a small game/program on math, here is the github repo https://github.com/KpUnise46/Math-Game-Project , please have a look at it and help me learn.

[snow star]

Hi everybody. I created my first game in pygame on my own. If you want you can take a look on my repository https://github.com/Fearplay/cross-the-road-python

[random cypress]

haha I just restarted yesterday and rejoined this server

[raw falcon]

3 years seriously

[random cypress]

no that's 7/21 and now it's 2/23 so more like 1 year 7 months

@raw falcon

[raw falcon]

i was talking about myself

[random cypress]

oh ok

[covert lagoon]

!code like this

[frank field]

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

[covert lagoon]

Gives syntax highlights, makes the font monospaced, and stops any other markdown stuff

[robust hearth]

Thanks

[eternal vessel]

oop

ur good

[barren torrent]

so I'm wondering if anyone has any resources - tutorials, design docs, source code etc - relevant to the question of "how do you make a really good RPG stat system framework" I mean multiple stats, which can be affected by all kinds of bonuses like multipliers or flat bonuses/penalties and some stats derived from others etc
and probably whatever said bonus framework is. buff magic transformations whatever

[nimble owl]

How can I make a cube display better by showing its edges with black lines in ursina? like wireframe_cube but with color/texture. I could make a composition of 2 boxes (1 that is a bit smaller), but it might be more work than worth

[woven canopy]

I mean, I can't link you to anything. But from personal experience, double and triple check your logic if adding percentage modifiers that might possibly stack. Also watch out if mixing additive, and multiplicative modifiers.

[dawn quiver]

I do not know but i know someone that knows. Found him on twitch. He made https://blockgame.info/ mod for minecraft which has tons of stat based stuff.

He has a discord server and you can catch him on twitch.

https://discord.gg/piratesoftware

You could also look up some of your favorite RPG and see if people have posted articles about gameplay progression.

[nocturne swan]

heyy can someone help?

im literally learning basics, and getting a bit stuck on the X,Y cos, sin stuff.. i can drop a dm.. its probably the most basic thing ever since its literally just a 2 game to make a ball move..

[woven canopy]

What the problem is?

[nocturne swan]

fixed it, just had my cos and sin slightly wrong haha

thanks for the reply

now working on ursina... unless you have a better engine to suggest?

[eternal hatch]

That looks a little sus

by the name

[dawn quiver]

well its nothing to worry about.

[hexed dune]

whats the best place to just get feedback on my code. i am new to python and made a very simple game using just the terminal (no pygame just ascii characters lol) its about 370 lines and just curious of im following best practices or doing stuff in a dumb way lol

[eternal hatch]

There are no "best practices" in gamedev

Just try to keep it efficient

You probably could get feedback here

[eternal hatch]

Actually, here's a tip (sort of): if you have a console (terminal) game, DO NOT use os.system('clear') for clearing the screen. That's about it (jk)

[hexed dune]

Lol. Well I do use clear a few times to transition between initial screens like the title screen and a couple option settings

Before the game starts

[formal gull]

i need help

[eternal vessel]

why not?

also I think it's os.system("cls") but yeah

[hexed dune]

From the documentation I read cls works for windows and clear works for Unix so you would need to do both if it’s cross system but I am also using msvcrt library for keyboard inputs so my script would only work on windows anyway

I know there’s other libraries for keyboard input but msvcrt is a default library and one of my goals for this first project was to only use default libraries

[covert lagoon]

The main difference between libraries in the stdlib and libraries on pypi is the latter are updated more

[frank field]

Hey @obsidian spade!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.exe). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[eternal hatch]

depends on your system, and it is cls, my bad

[eternal hatch]

It is slow and antiviruses hate os.system()

[eternal vessel]

Oh, alright

Is there an alternate method for clearing it or no

[hushed vine]

Games?

[eternal hatch]

I have 0 experience with curses, but it seems to have a ton of console methods, so it might have it: https://docs.python.org/3/library/curses.html?highlight=curses#module-curses

Another, and possibly better option is to try making your own console window in pygame.

[eternal vessel]

Yeah I know of the curses module

I meant just clearing the default terminal, but thanks though

[vagrant saddle]

windows "dos" console is definitively not a terminal, if you want a proper terminal use mintty from MSYS2

cmd started to support some ANSI commands only in windows 10

print(f"{chr(27)}[2J",end="") should clear

[lofty gazelle]

is it possible to make a 3d fps game only with pygame?

im new to python btw

[vagrant saddle]

not 3D but close, you can do raycasting like wolf3d/ doom / duga

[vagrant saddle]

have a look here https://finfetchannel.github.io/

[lofty gazelle]

looks good,thanks for answering

i plan on making some 3d fps or 8bit fantasy rpg

[vagrant saddle]

but tbh for 3d fps i would use Panda3D instead of pygame

[normal silo]

Yes, but not recommended.

[normal silo]

I would say that that counts as 3D, although it is somewhat limited.

For "proper" 3D you want to enable OpenGL support in Pygame.

(Or you can go a strange, but plausible route of using a library that lets you do compute shaders and blitting the result yourself)

[vagrant saddle]

i would not, nowadays opengl is becoming hardly portable better use an engine with a integrated shader pipeline

[normal silo]

OpenGL still runs everywhere.

[vagrant saddle]

panda3d/ ursina / godot / harfang

[vagrant saddle]

not shaders

[normal silo]

They do.

[vagrant saddle]

and opengl does not run on mobile, that's GLES instead

[normal silo]

That is still OpenGL, just the ES profile.

The way OpenGL works is that there is different APIs / versions and on startup you need to check which is supported and load it.

[vagrant saddle]

well profile won't write shaders for you

[normal silo]

(And write your code to target a specific version, if you do ES it will probably run everywhere)

[vagrant saddle]

if it does please let me know i'm sure it could help for porting Panda3D and harfang on mobile and webgl ( which i DO )

[normal silo]

The thing is that you kind of have to start with the minimum of them all (ES). If you already wrote all your stuff to use not ES, then you can't always have it work on ES. There are certain features not available there. But if you start with ES, then going from ES to none-ES should not be an issue.

So if you really want to run everywhere, pretend it's mobile from the start (or any other smaller device that uses ES only).

Panda3D and such AFAIK, did not start with ES. Godot on the other hand did I think?

(Which is also why Godot lagged behind in graphics on PC for a long time until now (to run on everything))

(For Panda3D, it can use different graphics APIs, but its shaders would each have to have a corresponding "lesser" version or be marked as not available on smaller devices)

[eternal hatch]

You can, you just either have to know OpenGL (Modern) or make your own 3D renderer (which will be slow because it's Python and it's run on the CPU).

[lofty gazelle]

thank you

but now i wanna know

which is better for games? javascript or python or c or c++

games like skyrim ( fantasy rpg)

[proper peak]

for a big game like skyrim, of these, c++.
c# would likely do fine too, though, and with less effort than c++.

[lofty gazelle]

so c# is better?

[normal silo]

C/C++ will have the least restrictions on what you can do with the hardware, but they are in some ways more work to work with. (Also as a side note, you will need to use at least two languages as the GPU has its own language(s) (called "shader" programming languages))

[lofty gazelle]

oh thanks for helping

im just did ky first ascii rpg

but i wanna expand to that fantasy rpg

its my dream somehow lol

[eternal hatch]

For 3D games, you probably want to go with a game engine

[lofty gazelle]

im basing on youtube tutorials to help me with it until i fully learn the languages lol

[normal silo]

C# is used by multiple games engines (those engines themselves tend to be written in C++). C# is pretty fast and pretty nice to program in, which is why it's chosen.

[lofty gazelle]

so i should learn C# instead of C++ ?

[normal silo]

However, if you want to stick with Python, there are engines that use it too, such as Panda3D.

[eternal hatch]

"Engine" (When I think of an engine I usually think of an entire gui and stuff)

[lofty gazelle]

btw thanks for the answer squiggle

[normal silo]

It depends on what you want to do. Do you want to write a game engine or get straight to the game making part. Or maybe you just like to write code in C++...

[lofty gazelle]

what engine? i don t really know those engines lol

[normal silo]

Engine and editor are separate, but some require the use of the editor. Out of all the engines, not having an editor is probably more common.

[lofty gazelle]

SO basicaly my mission is to make a fantasy rpg 3d or third person game,i dont know which language or engine to use or how to use them,somehow the only coding language i know is python

[eternal hatch]

I'm not very familiar with Engines, but I've heard of Godot, Unity, and Unreal.

[normal silo]

I recommend picking a game engine that also has an editor (GUI) and go with that.

Godot is a good choice, since its built-in scripting languages options are GDScript and C#. GDScript is basically a Python clone.

(It's also open-source and well documented)

[lofty gazelle]

from what i saw on youtube maybe unreal is the best so from tommorow on i will start trying to learn/understand it

[lofty gazelle]

hmm

i will try also learing godot

[normal silo]

After messing around with Godot, if you don't like it, you can try something else. During your time using Godot, try focusing on generic game development knowledge that applies to any engine.

[lofty gazelle]

thanks alot squiggle

i really aprreciate your answers

❤

[normal silo]

(Like how graphics works in general, physics, AI, etc)

[lofty gazelle]

yes i will try

Godot

[eternal hatch]

It's honestly probably much easier to start with 2D, less jank.

[normal silo]

Yes, start with 2D, Godot has good support for 2D.

[lofty gazelle]

so first 2d then after i understand some things i can jump to 3d

ok?

[normal silo]

Yes, and READ THE DOCUMENTATION.

[eternal hatch]

That's no small statement

[lofty gazelle]

i will,thanks so much

both of you helped me alot

i hope i can pay off in the future

[eternal hatch]

It takes very very very long and it is very very very hard to get into game dev

[normal silo]

One of the important things needed in general is mathematics, especially when going to 3D.

There are several resources on mathematics for game devs.

[lofty gazelle]

im bad at math

[eternal hatch]

Ya gotta know some trig

[lofty gazelle]

can t i just use a calculator?

[eternal hatch]

bad start

[normal silo]

No way around the math, you will most certainly need some linear algebra.

[lofty gazelle]

no but im very bad st math i can t just start learning it im extremly bad

[normal silo]

The gameplay code itself requires it.

[lofty gazelle]

very hard

[normal silo]

(Even if you don't touch engine code)

[lofty gazelle]

i can try to learn it tho

i will somehow try

thanks for helping me guys

[eternal hatch]

I have not needed that (linear algebra), but I stay in 2D. Do you need that for shader stuff because of matrixes?

[normal silo]

(Math is a large chunk of this general knowledge that applies no matter which languages or engines you choose)

[normal silo]

You need it in 2D too when you game becomes more complex.

[eternal hatch]

For shaders?

[normal silo]

If your game is grid-based, you can probably avoid the math.

[eternal hatch]

Aren't they all (pixels)

[normal silo]

I mean like chess.

[lofty gazelle]

chess?

i know chess

[normal silo]

As soon as you have stuff like physics, you need some math.

[lofty gazelle]

i play chess from 7 years olf

old

[eternal hatch]

yes

[eternal hatch]

I could see more complex stuff in like a physics engine, but for regular platformers I don't really have to touch any complex matrix math

I do touch on some trig stuff though...

[normal silo]

Random example, you have an enemy that explodes when the player gets too close. That is going to involve the distance formula and the game engine probably already has a distance function for that, but there are many things that are not as simple as just the distance apart and such.

[eternal hatch]

How is that linear algebra?

That sounds like plain old algebra

[normal silo]

Geometry / algebra.

It shows up in linear algebra too.

[lofty gazelle]

so if i don t know math or physics i can t make my game?

[normal silo]

Not Skyrim, probably not.

[lofty gazelle]

not really skyrim just a idea i mean some half map skyrim fantasy rpg

[eternal hatch]

I think game engines cover many basic physics stuff like rigid bodies, soft bodies, etc.

[normal silo]

They do, but they can't account for (all) gameplay code.

[lofty gazelle]

bruh im 9th grade i think i didnt event learn those

i also skipped alot physics

seems i shouldt have skipped

fkc

[eternal hatch]

You don't generally learn rigid bodies in 9th grade

[normal silo]

You don't really need to know too much maths though, there are resources that cover just the stuff game devs will probably use.

[eternal hatch]

I don't know when you learn them, I just know about them because I have 100s of hours in Blender

[lofty gazelle]

hmm

[normal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYiVLEnhrw

[eternal hatch]

Also, if your doing a 3D game, you'll either have to buy/get assets, or you'll have to learn how to make your own.

[eternal hatch]

Her Bezier Curve video is cool

[normal silo]

No single person can really make Skyrim, there is too much you have to do. Just in terms of amount of content.

[eternal hatch]

That basically sums up 3D games

[lofty gazelle]

what do i need to make my own?

[normal silo]

Usually if a single person makes a 3D game it's hyper focused.

[lofty gazelle]

hypet focused= ?

like what does it mean

[normal silo]

It does not try to have a ton of content but rather just very good content.

[eternal hatch]

This is why 2D games by a solo dev look less jank (I think)

[normal silo]

Yup and even then they have to be very focused if it's a single person.

One way to get around the limited content (and the other path to go down) is randomly generated content (e.g. Minecraft). But generating stuff is complicated to program and will probably involve a bunch of math.

[eternal hatch]

Notch made 3D games solo dev I think (Of course Minecraft has had many authors, but it started fairly solo, or at least with small Notch-owned Mojang)

[normal silo]

Minecraft was made solo.

(Up until it got really popular)

(Note that it lacks focus, there is no clear goal or anything like that, the combat and other mechanics are simple (it instead leaves it to the player to make their own fun with what is basically just the engine plus some random generation (it borders on tech demo)))

(Different style)

[proper peak]

notably, Notch streamed creating a first-person game from scratch in java in ~2010; IIRC it was quite interesting

[normal silo]

The one for Ludum dare right?

I think it was raycasted.

[proper peak]

I think so, yeah

[normal silo]

Could be done in Python with Pygame.

(With a lot less bloat to type than Java)

[eternal hatch]

In my experience, in order to make good games, you have to first start out making really bad games. Like my first game:

[normal silo]

(Can't instantly go zero to hero)

[proper peak]

I found them; I love internet data hoarders: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgAujBKarXXoMxJDyi1Am4yvfbHYWRwOC

[normal silo]

Also game design itself is often underestimated compared to programming or art, it's actually the hardest part IMO (if you are not just copying something that already exists).

[proper peak]

they are generally in Java of course, but might be interesting for some people anyway

[normal silo]

Several other people have been streaming their Ludum Dares on Twitch and Youtube now too, I recommend watching them.

[eternal hatch]

Dang, why does he use light mode

might be all he has

goodness

[normal silo]

IDK if Eclipse had a dark mode back then.

For a single person, often the best choice is to try to do one thing and do it really well. Similar to how one often designs functions in programming (KISS).

Rather than what big companies do, which is have a lot of different things all in the same game.

[eternal hatch]

Does that mean: Keep It Super Simple?

[normal silo]

"Keep It Simple Stupid"

[eternal hatch]

That's better

[normal silo]

The general rule is limit the scope of your project to something much more reasonable, then half that scope and double the estimated time.

[eternal hatch]

I like that

[hexed dune]

ive "completed" my first attempt at making something in python (a game, that only uses the console) if anyone has any suggestions on (not the game itself) what i maybe did dumb with the code and how it could be smarter I would appreciate it 🙂 https://github.com/Lanecrest/Coin-Thief (though if anyone actually plays it and has any comments on the gameplay im happy to hear those as well)

[onyx compass]

Hi! I also think that make a good small interesting indie game in 2D is feasible, but for a 3D game, it is too much time consuming to make anything good, except just for learning purposes.

[raw falcon]

the code is pretty good, i wouldn't use globals though, if you type !globals in #bot-commands you can see why, also it's windows-specific but i understand you're using it to play sounds

[hexed dune]

Yeah and using msvcrt only runs on windows too but I want to stick to default libraries for this project

I’ll check out globals. Thanks!

[eternal vessel]

Alright I'll try out the game

[hushed vine]

100% true

[marble jewel]

Latest Devlog Here: https://youtu.be/ikwYvml5yqY More Items, Better Projectiles, and Skelebro

[timber coral]

Can anyone here help me?

[marble jewel]

post your question and lets find out

[balmy star]

How can I use pygame to create a 3rd person shooter like Fortnite

And 4k graphics

[proper peak]

unless you'd like to implement a 3d graphics engine from scratch, use something like panda3d

[rancid whale]

hello

[raw falcon]

good luck doing that with pygame

[balmy star]

@raw falcon Fortnite was made in pygame

[raw falcon]

are you sure about that

[balmy star]

NASA wrote an article about pygame being better than unreal

[high orbit]

i have a question from senior programmers, i am making a 2d physics engine, and im wondering what would be the optimal way of listing and drawing particles, and calculating collisions

[vapid stirrup]

for a second i read that as NSA and was pretty confused

[balmy star]

“Ultimately when it comes down to game development, we at NASA believe pygame is an easier to use and capable software for 3d game development.” -NASA programmer Mark White

lol I tried it it sucks

[raw falcon]

nobody said that

[eternal vessel]

smal bran

[balmy star]

No shit I’m joking

[eternal vessel]

so am I

[halcyon sail]

ive got an issue with the beginnings of this game engine im building, its definitely not creating the right shape as its suppose to.

https://pastebin.com/2WmzK5NJ. the issue resides within the render part of the code

no matter what i do i can't seem to get it to increment correctly in the Y loop

theres just something wrong there that i can' see because to my eyes everything there should work

cause on paper when i do this exact math and sequence by hand it comes out correctly

[halcyon sail]

I solved it

[eternal vessel]

nice

[round obsidian]

Just updated my new game, created in Python using Pyglet
https://xtaloid.itch.io/xtaloid

[round obsidian]

And here's a video playthrough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB6K7RGSfoE

[wooden prairie]

I'm a null's brawl developer.

You can contribute by contacting me.

[drowsy mantle]

Hey!! Do you know an expert in Pyopengl and pygame?

I have some Pyopengl and Pygame_gui issues...

[raw falcon]

don't ask to ask

if you would have sent your question you might have gotten a response by now

[drowsy mantle]

legit

trying to be polite, Im new on the server :)

[raw falcon]

no worries

not trying to be rude either

[sweet shard]

I'm no expert but I bet what is happening is Pygame_gui is trying to use Pygame's normal functions to draw (blitting) but those don't really work when OPENGL is enabled

[drowsy mantle]

exactly

Im have a 3d opengl scenario in a pygame window, and i wanted to create a GUI on top of it.

I've been trying for days but only the scenery is rendered, and it's as if it ignores everything I put in the GUI.

[sweet shard]

So unfortunately due to Pygame deprecating OPENGLBLIT it won't be possible for Pygame_gui to draw anything. I know it really sucks but you'll either have to make your own GUI library with opengl or switch to a different library

[drowsy mantle]

Oooof

[drowsy mantle]

and is there any way to embed the render window in a different tkinter/pygame_gui window or similar?

Also big thanks for the quick response Raytopia ^^

[sweet shard]

No problem
It looks like you can embed it into tkinter

The pygame devs just merged a fix last week so that it's possible for Pygame 2.0

If you don't feel comforatble building Pygame from source you could roll back to Pygame 1.9 and it should work there to

os.environ['SDL_WINDOWID'] = 
str(self.frame.winfo_id())```

self.frame being the Tkinter Frame you want pygame to be displayed in
Once you do that it should appear in the Tkinter frame I haven't had a chance to test that though

[drowsy mantle]

Understood Raytopia!! I will try then to embed the pygame window in a tkinter frame. I really apreciated your help! You have saved me a lot of time! Otherwise I would still be trying to make pygame_gui work.

[sweet shard]

No problem! Glad I could be of help 😁

I hope it goes well!

[vagrant saddle]

why not use flet instead of tkinter ?

at least flet is portable

[dawn quiver]

flet seems cool

[drowsy mantle]

I was wishing to make a keyframe timeline to animate. But idk if with tkinter is posible. Maybe with flet?

Dont even know if It is really posible to embed a pygame OpenGL window with a pygame_gui window

[vagrant saddle]

yes it's possible though i would only use offscreen EGL+GLES not GL for portability reason.

[drowsy mantle]

Not familiar with EGL+GLES. The (sad) point is that i have already a PyOpenGL code to render a dinamic scenario in a pygame window, but I am unnable to find a way to put an interface over the scenario (excepting embeding the window in other frames such as tkinter or as you say flet. But idk if that would work anyway, I haven't tested it, but probably would work) Still big thanks for the advice @vagrant saddle ^^

[vagrant saddle]

may have a look at how kivy does with Panda3D for OpenGL , https://github.com/Cheaterman/panda3d-kivy

[drowsy mantle]

Thanks! Ill take a look!

[dire hawk]

i have a question: why does this line not work??
it still is replacing my number in my list even if the number is positive

[tranquil girder]

You're using two comparison operators at once, == and <=
So you're actually checking if the True/False value you get from the comparison move == (board[end_file_input][end_rank_input]) * turn is less than or equal to 0

[dire hawk]

oh

but if i remove one of the == the whole line goes red

[tranquil girder]

goes read?

[dire hawk]

red

[tranquil girder]

what variable do you want to check to be <= 0?

[dire hawk]

i think move

no

file and rank input

[tranquil girder]

so you want to check if move == (board[end_file_input][end_rank_input]) * turn
and move <= 0?

if you want to do two comparisons, use and

[dire hawk]

can we hop in a call for a sec im new to programming

i cant do this via text

[tranquil girder]

for example
does not check if a is less than 1 and is higher than -1:

if a < 1 > -1:

but this does:

if a < 1 and a > -1

[dire hawk]

ok

i have taken out the middle link but it still doesnt work

[kind idol]

... there's an entire tab for this thank goodness!

Ok.... so story time
I have a card game I want out in the world. Though there are issues with production, big ones being I live in the middle of nowhere and I is unsmart so my idea was to code the game into python and make a couple machine learning to play against each other wargames style so I can manipulate the game as I see fit... but again... I am unsmart... so I might ask help from this chat every so often

[eternal vessel]

Good luck man

what game engine or module are you using to make it?

[kind idol]

Honestly I wasn't going to use a game engine, this is mostly for me so I was gonna make it crudely in python only, add in a folder for images of the cards and a few other assets I can draw or get from somewhere else?

Why is it easier with a game engine?

[eternal vessel]

I mean it can just have built-in functions to make certain tasks easier

[kind idol]

... thats... actually a fair point 😅

Any that I can snag for cheap that's easy to use?

[eternal vessel]

it doesn't cost money

[kind idol]

... wait wat?

Which one cause if it makes it easier then I will download that so fast

[eternal vessel]

Do you have knowledge of modules/engines

[kind idol]

Slight. I've seen videos of game developers messing with unity and a channel called horror scoop digs into game files to show what the developer hides but otherwise I never touched any sort of engine or module

like i have a BIT of coding experience from a college course but that was the very basic coding

[eternal vessel]

Ah, alright

but yeah if you're using python you wouldn't be using Unity

If it's gonna be 3d you could use Ursina

[kind idol]

I'm not expecting to use anything 3d, at most all i would need is something really basic like stage 2 of inscription

[flat jolt]

hey does anyone know how to do web design ?

[night delta]

yo!

[eternal hatch]

Yes, but that would probably be better asked in #web-development

[kind idol]

So how easy is it to code a game in unity?

[fleet grove]

You can program in Unity in Python?

Its not C#?

[kind idol]

According to keyblade

[fleet grove]

Idk if it is possible in Python

Anyone knows?

[kind idol]

@eternal vessel ?

[eternal vessel]

yo

[eternal vessel]

depends on the game

but it's still complex

but using python in Unity isn't a normal thing

[kind idol]

So what would a python game engine be?

[kind idol]

I mean I know the game 100% I can probably transfer it into a game engine easy but if it's difficult in unity?

[eternal vessel]

I'm not sure

You'd probably have to research, I haven't used Unity myself

[quasi patrol]

the closes one is godot

which uses gd script

a very similar langauge

to python

[dawn quiver]

You can use Python in godot directly

https://github.com/touilleMan/godot-python

[proper peak]

yeah, it works, though it's incompatible with godot 4 and in general seems abandoned-ish

[dawn quiver]

it states to be under refactoring to create support for godot 4, not that i can find any active branch

thanks for pointing it out

[digital kindle]

I'm trying to think through a basic RPG town simulator inventory system. At first I wanted to make classes for all items and categorize them. Such as:

Container()
self.inventory = []
NPC(Container)
Chest(Container)

Food()
Fruit(Food)
self.fruit_attribute
Bread(Food)
self.bread_attribute

Example:
chest = Chest()
chest.inventory = [Fruit(), Bread()]
npc = NPC()
npc.inventory = [chest, Fruit()]

So the NPC's inventory has 1 Fruit, and a Chest with 1 Fruit and 1 Bread. I could ask "How much fruit does the NPC have?: 2" or "How much food does the NPC have?: 3"

Does this general approach make sense? I'm wondering if I need to ask these questions often, will my simulation be slow if I have to loop through all NPCs inventories to find totals?

[dawn nacelle]

I saw your posting on the pygame list, but I was too late to answer. Your general approach seems fine, and will probably be plenty fast.

However, from an architectural point of view, my personal view would be to never access chest.inventory and npc.inventory directly. Instead, I would have methods in the Container class like addItem(), getInventory(), and getCountOf(). Most importantly, move the function that you had to do the count, into the base Container class. That way, only the code inside the class would access "self.inventory". This would make things much easier to change in the future if you decide on a different way to represent your inventory.

Also, it's not clear why you need to have a Food base class and (for example) a Fruit and a Bread subclass. What would the Food base class have in it that would be shared by Fruit and Bread? If there isn't much, it might be simpler to have every item in your collection to have a common instance variable like "self.type" which in these cases might be set to "Fruit" or "Bread".

One more thing. I read in your earlier message that a container might have a container ... You can think of this like the computer file system. Everything there is either a folder or a file. You could handle this by having each of your items (classes) have an instance variable like "self.isContainer" - which would be True for all containers (Container, NPC, Chest), but False for everything else. That way, as you iterate through all items in a list to count them, you could easily check if the item is a container and if so, you know that you need to go down a level.

Hope that helps.

[digital kindle]

It does, thank you!

[dawn nacelle]

PS: With regard to the last thing about being a container or not, I would also build all classes with a simple "getter" method:

def getIsContainer(self):
return isContainer

[digital kindle]

Is there some article or resource you know of where I can learn more about why having getter methods inside a class is preferable to accessing npc.inventory directly from an outside method?

[dawn nacelle]

Well ... there is a book called "Object-Oriented Python" written by a guy I know ...

In that book, the author talks about an "Object Manager Object" (in Chapter 3). It seems like your Container is exactly this type of thing - an object that manages a collection of other objects.

[digital kindle]

Uhh.. yeah that sounds perfect 😂 ! I'll definitely check it out. Loved python crash course from the same publisher (it looks like) which is how I got my start

[dawn nacelle]

If you get the book, you'll find that I am a strong believer in the "strict" use of encapsulation. That is, while it is certainly legal in Python to use something like npc.inventory, from my many years of experience using OOP, I would never do that. The functionality you want is something that the Container should provide. Therefore, a method in the Container class would be a better approach. Again, that way, the code could change inside the class without worrying about any code outside the class.

[digital kindle]

I'm looking forward to expanding my understanding of OOP. Right now with my basic understanding I know I can create something that will work, but its based on my own intuition and not best practices

I appreciate your time! Thank you!

[dawn nacelle]

Glad I could help. I hope you find the information in the book useful.

[lethal hound]

Is it maintained, last version 2 years ago?

[split notch]

Building a text RPG game using the openai API but I'm hitting a brick wall when it comes to saving the players progress

[dawn quiver]

It's not being maintained from what I can tell

[sweet shard]

Look at the godot4-meson branch

That's currently where touilleMan is spending their time

[shut mica]

Tysm

This is helpful since now I don’t have to learn GDScript

As much

[normal silo]

*Godot 4.0 came out 2 days ago and every extension is now broken on 4.0.

They are fixing it right now though. The new extension API for 4.0 is much better too.

[primal cipher]

What is the best way to create a split feature for blackjack? Mine doesn't seem to work properly.

[normal silo]

Add another player that belongs to the same player group.

The additional player is controlled by the same IRL player.

So if your game is setup to handle N players, this should not be too hard to add.

[normal silo]

"The project is under heavy refactoring to support Godot4 (which is totally incompatible with the current codebase)." Does not seem abandoned.

Maybe 4.0 gave them renewed interest.

Supporting other languages is much easier now.

[primal cipher]

I'm pretty beginner. I just wrote a code with loops/ifs that ask the user what action to perform. It's just when I get to the split it seems to get into a weird spot where it won't calculate the value of the hand.

[normal silo]

After splitting you have 2 hands.