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green oriole Apr 27, 2021, 4:32 PM

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If Github was old enough

placid ermine Apr 27, 2021, 4:33 PM

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21657430/why-is-a-git-pull-request-not-called-a-push-request

dusky shoreBOT Apr 27, 2021, 7:42 PM

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GitHub

PROpen Added blocking tag

sleek steppe Apr 27, 2021, 7:51 PM

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You'd make a new PR

clever wraith Apr 27, 2021, 8:19 PM

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nhnhhnhnn

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!rank

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 12:22 AM

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if you want i can give you push access

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 2:03 AM

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Out of curiosity, what db does Modmail use?

vocal wolf Apr 28, 2021, 2:04 AM

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vocal prairie Out of curiosity, what db does Modmail use?

I'm not sure, they may just store everything in caches. You can look into it here: https://github.com/kyb3r/modmail

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 2:04 AM

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https://github.com/kyb3r/modmail

GitHub

kyb3r/modmail

A feature rich discord Modmail bot. Contribute to kyb3r/modmail development by creating an account on GitHub.

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oh lol hello

vocal wolf Apr 28, 2021, 2:04 AM

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(we don't own modmail, but we're made modifications)

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 2:04 AM

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vocal wolf I'm not sure, they may just store everything in caches. You can look into it her...

no it uses mongodb

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 2:04 AM

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fallen patrol https://github.com/kyb3r/modmail

Yeah, but you can use a different db

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It might take some setup

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But it's possible

sleek steppe Apr 28, 2021, 2:05 AM

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Why though?

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 2:05 AM

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idk

vocal wolf Apr 28, 2021, 2:05 AM

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ah, didn't know

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ty

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 2:05 AM

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I thought maybe, since things in PyDis seem to use Redis or Postgres

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 2:05 AM

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yeah but who wants to write their own bot for modmail when you can get one that just crashes sometimes

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 2:06 AM

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Nice save

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Is it normal that this page looks so divided and with inconsistent newlines? https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources/guides/off-topic-etiquette/

Python Discord | Conversation etiquette in our off-topic channels

We're a large, friendly community focused around the Python programming language. Our community is open to those who wish to learn the language, as well as those looking to help others.

sullen phoenix Apr 28, 2021, 3:04 AM

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we use postgres, redis, and mongo

short snow Apr 28, 2021, 3:05 AM

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bump

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 3:13 AM

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whag is sir lancebot’s prefix

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@dusky shore

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.

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thanks

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i keep thinking about fun commands that are simple and easy to add

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 3:14 AM

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You can always check out Sir Lancebot's source if you're curious about it

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 3:14 AM

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hah

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 3:14 AM

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https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot

GitHub

python-discord/sir-lancebot

A Discord bot started as a community project for Hacktoberfest 2018, later evolved to an introductory project for aspiring new developers starting out with open source development. - python-discord...

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 3:14 AM

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thx

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152 forks looking

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>>> Me: .say Hello I am Sir LanceBot
>>> *Sir Lancebot deletes the message*
>>> Sir LanceBot: Hello I am Sir Lancebot```

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would this command be a cool one?

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 AM

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clever wraith ```py >>> Me: .say Hello I am Sir LanceBot >>> *Sir Lancebot deletes the message...

That could be used to say some not so nice things

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 3:19 AM

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which is why regex is exist! filtering go brrr

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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@vocal wolf i think i actually found a modmail bug and that might be what happened lol

vocal wolf Apr 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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fallen patrol <@!196664644113268736> i think i actually found a modmail bug and that might be ...

cc @sharp timber

sharp timber Apr 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Speak

vocal wolf Apr 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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lmfao

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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i already told you bast lol

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race condition

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since i didn't get a close message

sharp timber Apr 28, 2021, 4:14 AM

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That's not always guaranteed, we can silently close channels

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yours wasn't, though, which is interesting

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 4:14 AM

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well

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yeah

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like

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i didn't get a close message but 6 seconds before i had gotten a message from a moderator

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and i think that was followed by a close command
i assume this
that's what it seemed like

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so i wonder if my channel was deleted but not fully closed on the other end so it was trying to relay the message i sent but did not relay it

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because there was no channel or record

keen valley Apr 28, 2021, 6:16 AM

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What is

__all__ = ("Bot", "bot")

In the https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/blob/main/bot/bot.py

GitHub

python-discord/sir-lancebot

A Discord bot started as a community project for Hacktoberfest 2018, later evolved to an introductory project for aspiring new developers starting out with open source development. - python-discord...

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What does that mean

short snow Apr 28, 2021, 6:20 AM

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It's a list of public objects of that module, as interpreted by import *. It overrides the default of hiding everything that begins with an underscore.

keen valley Apr 28, 2021, 6:20 AM

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So that file is acting as a module

short snow Apr 28, 2021, 6:21 AM

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all files act as a module

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https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#public-and-internal-interfaces extract from pep8 regarding __all__

Python.org

PEP 8 -- Style Guide for Python Code

The official home of the Python Programming Language

keen valley Apr 28, 2021, 6:22 AM

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short snow https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#public-and-internal-interfaces extract...

Okay

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 6:32 AM

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short snow all files act as a module

Vhy?

short snow Apr 28, 2021, 6:33 AM

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A module is basically python is the code written inside the file

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the regex module, the typing module, they all are just files

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https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/modules.html

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 7:34 AM

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But

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Why is init.py needed in every bot folder even if it is empty

green oriole Apr 28, 2021, 7:34 AM

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Because that's how Python work

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You need an __init__.py file in importable modules, even if it is empty

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 7:35 AM

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Wut but

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I import my bot

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from bot import Bot

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It works fine

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 7:38 AM

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green oriole You need an `__init__.py` file in importable modules, even if it is empty

8s 8t tho?

green oriole Apr 28, 2021, 7:42 AM

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fallen patrol `from bot import Bot`

And there is a bot/__init__.py file

short snow Apr 28, 2021, 7:43 AM

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"8s 8t"?

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 7:45 AM

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short snow "8s 8t"?

M6 phone is *reezing wh8le I ty0e and #o some keys are long p4řssed

fallen patrol Apr 28, 2021, 7:46 AM

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green oriole And there is a `bot/__init__.py` file

But I import it and my bot does not have an int int file

gritty wind Apr 28, 2021, 10:03 AM

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If you don’t have an init, you’re importing the file itself, not the folder

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 12:00 PM

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ok

remote abyss Apr 28, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Anyone have an idea why the docs command can't find discord.ext.commands? https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ext/commands/commands.html

sleek steppe Apr 28, 2021, 12:24 PM

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You want api.html

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https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ext/commands/api.html

remote abyss Apr 28, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Ok sure

sleek steppe Apr 28, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Oh that's what you mean

remote abyss Apr 28, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Point is how to make the docs command find it 😅

sleek steppe Apr 28, 2021, 12:26 PM

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It's something about there not being a symbol for it

remote abyss Apr 28, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Poo

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I have to paste that link like every day lol

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I usually use commands.html though because it actually explains how to use it with examples

brazen charm Apr 28, 2021, 12:55 PM

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The command relies on the docs exposing the necessary symbols and providing tags to go off of in the html, in the case of that page there seem to be a few symbols around it for the sections or for the page itself. So for example you can do this but the names for things outside of normal objects aren't very discoverable to the users

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!d ext_commands_commands

stable mountainBOT Apr 28, 2021, 12:55 PM

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ext\_commands\_commands

Commands

One of the most appealing aspect of the command extension is how easy it is to define commands and how you can arbitrarily nest groups and commands to have a rich sub-command system.

Commands are defined by attaching it to a regular Python function. The command is then invoked by the user using a similar signature to the Python function.

For example, in the given command definition:

@bot.command()
async def foo(ctx, arg):
    await ctx.send(arg)
```...

stable mountainBOT Apr 28, 2021, 4:48 PM

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discord.ext.commands.Command


class discord.ext.commands.Command(func, **kwargs)```
A class that implements the protocol for a bot text command.

These are not created manually, instead they are created via the decorator or functional interface.

remote abyss Apr 28, 2021, 5:08 PM

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👍 thx

brazen charm Apr 28, 2021, 5:10 PM

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THe page is also behind discord/ext/commands or something like that but because it leads to the top of the page iteslf instead of a specific tag I don't think it parses any content out of it

vocal wolf Apr 28, 2021, 5:35 PM

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@brazen charm heh, nice.

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Thank you again for the docs PR btw, feels so much better to work with these days.

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 5:37 PM

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I love my diff on the site repo

sleek steppe Apr 28, 2021, 5:38 PM

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1 ++ 1 --?

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Yes

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Because it's even

sleek steppe Apr 28, 2021, 5:42 PM

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we're not looking at this though

vocal prairie Apr 28, 2021, 5:45 PM

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:o

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That's nice

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Hello, I'm trying to solve an issue for the upcoming Advent of Code and I'm having some trouble setting up the AOC calendar so I can test it. It requires a session cookie / join code which I do not have access to.

thorny obsidian Apr 28, 2021, 10:33 PM

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clever wraith Hello, I'm trying to solve an issue for the upcoming Advent of Code and I'm havi...

which issue is it?

clever wraith Apr 28, 2021, 10:33 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/issues/325

GitHub

Personal stats with something like !aoc mystats · Issue #325 · pyth...

Instead of needing to go on the website to check your stats, you can use the bot! Implementation details Show your placement in the private leaderboard Show the stars you attained Show points that ...

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I'm a bit late but... 😓

thorny obsidian Apr 28, 2021, 10:34 PM

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@sullen phoenix you around? Is your session cookie for your leaderboard still up?

sullen phoenix Apr 28, 2021, 10:37 PM

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yeah, here's my leaderboard's join code: 645282-edc03cc8

thorny obsidian Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Could you send the session cookie to Lepto? I want to make sure we're still testing for multiple leaderboards~

sullen phoenix Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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you you can get your own session cookie by logging into the AoC site and looking at the cookies, Lepto

thorny obsidian Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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ah shweet, thanks

sullen phoenix Apr 28, 2021, 10:38 PM

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no problemo

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you also have to join the leaderboard yourself, i think

clever wraith Apr 29, 2021, 12:11 AM

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I don't believe I'm in the leaderboard

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kutie sent me the stuffs though ! thanks anyway 😅

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 11:07 AM

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sir-lancebot#614 , sir-lancebot#618 , sir-lancebot#605 , sir-lancebot#649 and sir-lancebot#649

all of them need one approval each, if anyone has got sometime lemon_long

dusky shoreBOT Apr 29, 2021, 11:07 AM

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GitHub

PROpen Tech Leaders Pride
PROpen Porting Command Suggestions from python-discord/bot
PROpen Wikiguess Game
IssueOpen Codeblock rendering inconsistency on Android client.
PROpen Add WTF Python Command

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 11:08 AM

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whoops, it is 649, not 615

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 11:50 AM

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@short snow re: wtf python
your comment on the issue implies that the command was meant to show the actual explanation/code.

Should I make use of the line pagination here, since some examples are really big. For example the walrus operator example.
any reason this is not part of the PR? was there a discussion/context that im missing?

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 11:52 AM

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yeah it was, lemme get the link

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me and scal decided on that

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somewhere in this chat

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#dev-contrib message there

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 12:03 PM

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@short snow so it wasn't implemented because you couldn't think of a good way to do it, not because it was specifically decided against?

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if thats the case, i would have some ideas

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 12:03 PM

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whole forge <@!736234578745884682> so it wasn't implemented because you couldn't think of a ...

yeah, sure could you tell the ideas?

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i can look into implementing

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 12:04 PM

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is there any markdown parser library alredy installed in sirlancebot? if so, use that

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 12:04 PM

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none are installed as of now

balmy sparrow Apr 29, 2021, 12:05 PM

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"You can get information about the Pride Leader on the Wikipedia command"
(from the pride leaders command) if the wikipedia command can do this why even have a separate command?

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 12:07 PM

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to specifically showcase notable LGBTQ+ community leaders active in the tech industry

balmy sparrow Apr 29, 2021, 12:08 PM

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🤔 fair enough

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 12:14 PM

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laundmo which markdown parser would be good? there are many and dunno which would be the best

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 12:15 PM

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short snow none are installed as of now

in that case there a a few things to note about the markdown:

all example blocks start with 
all example blocks end with a line containing 💡 Explanation
the last actual wtf block ends before ### ▶ Minor Ones

i would suggest searching for the header and after that the example id, and including everything until the explanation block on the first page (if that alaways fits) and the explanation etc on following pages

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 12:16 PM

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short snow laundmo which markdown parser would be good? there are many and dunno which woul...

i personally used https://mistune.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ in the past, as its one of the only ones that can parse to whats basically a AST.

Mistune

Mistune: Python Markdown Parser

A fast yet powerful Python Markdown parser with renderers and plugins

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 12:22 PM

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whole forge in that case there a a few things to note about the markdown: - all example bloc...

that's what i did earlier, but there are many exceptions at places

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so the regex would fail

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the pattern doesn't maintain consistency

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dunno if mistune would be able to parse it correctly i will still give it a try

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umm pithink

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got the latest version

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installed with -U

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 12:41 PM

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carful: do you have v1 or v2? the docs i sent are for Release v2.0.0rc1.

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 12:42 PM

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i tried installing that, but it said couldn't find the version

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fails with pipenv and pip

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 12:44 PM

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@short snow you installed the v1 version which is default when running pip install mistune but the docs are for v2
you need to specify the version when pip installing, as the docs say

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 12:47 PM

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i missed the c after r, 😛

whole forge Apr 29, 2021, 12:50 PM

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ah

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:02 PM

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this looks nice, it might work, i will play around with it a bit more and commit the changes

placid ermine Apr 29, 2021, 1:20 PM

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(latex unload)

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:24 PM

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<@&267628507062992896> this

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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!c unload latex

stable mountainBOT Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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:x: Could not find the extension latex.

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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!c unload Latex

stable mountainBOT Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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:x: Could not find the extension latex.

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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.etx unload latex

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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🤔

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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.c unload latex

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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.ext unload latex

dusky shoreBOT Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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:ok_hand: Extension successfully unloaded: bot.exts.evergreen.latex.

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:25 PM

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I can't spell

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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oh lol it's lance

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ofc

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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and we should block it from working in dms

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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I blame this headache though

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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i did one of that reload

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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What's !c?

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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It's an alias of extensions

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!help c

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Got it

stable mountainBOT Apr 29, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Command Help

!extensions
Can also use: c, cogs, ext, exts

Load, unload, reload, and list loaded extensions.

Subcommands:

!extensions list
Get a list of all extensions, including their loaded status.
!extensions load [extensions...]
Load extensions given their fully qualified or unqualified names.
!extensions reload [extensions...]
Reload extensions given their fully qualified or unqualified names.
!extensions unload [extensions...]
Unload currently loaded extensions given their fully qualified or unqualified names.

placid ermine Apr 29, 2021, 1:27 PM

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dusky shore :ok_hand: Extension successfully unloaded: `bot.exts.evergreen.latex`.

👌

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:27 PM

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What's with the 3 reloads lol?

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:27 PM

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Latex command raises lance to the mem limit

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:27 PM

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People fucking with the latex command in offtopic

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:27 PM

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ahhhh

placid ermine Apr 29, 2021, 1:27 PM

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totally not me who started

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nope

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:28 PM

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can we just rip out the setup function until it's fixed?

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:28 PM

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Or leave your thoughts on persistence for cog unloads

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That’s

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A solution

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:28 PM

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short snow and we should block it from working in dms

i did one of the reloads

placid ermine Apr 29, 2021, 1:29 PM

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what was the last decision on the latex command

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is a local installation feasible?

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:29 PM

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And to answer your question

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No

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It should throw an error without it

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:29 PM

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gritty wind Or leave your thoughts on persistence for cog unloads

where is it?

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I had a lazy look on the two repos and couldn't see it

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:29 PM

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gritty wind No

Was referring to Chris’ question

placid ermine Apr 29, 2021, 1:30 PM

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O

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Rather hacky, but can't you just remove/comment that cog out for a while?

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:30 PM

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vale ibex where is it?

It’s an issue on lance, but I’m afk so can’t pull the number

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:30 PM

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I'll find it

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was looking for PRs tbh lol

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:30 PM

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I think the next step for this is honestly a local install.

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:30 PM

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sir-lancebot#705

dusky shoreBOT Apr 29, 2021, 1:30 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen Preserve The State Of Unloaded Cogs

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:31 PM

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gritty wind It should throw an error without it

I thought if it doesn't find a setup func it just carrys on with the loop, instead of erroring

placid ermine Apr 29, 2021, 1:31 PM

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noob question incoming: how would you install latex locally

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its not like

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you just open up google chrome and click on the download link lol

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:32 PM

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https://www.latex-project.org/get/

Get LaTeX - Mac OS, Windows, Linux

Getting LaTeX. Get to know how and where to get TeX distributions for Linux, Mac OS, and Windows containing LaTeX and obtaining LaTeX.

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:32 PM

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placid ermine you just open up google chrome and click on the download link lol

It is

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Right?

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:33 PM

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vale ibex I thought if it doesn't find a setup func it just carrys on with the loop, inste...

ahh nvm, that's just for packages

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We could prefix the filename with _

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:33 PM

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placid ermine noob question incoming: how would you install latex locally

we can have it available on the node lance is running on or available in the storage that the nodes connect to if I'm understanding our setup correctly

vale ibex Apr 29, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Isn't there possible security risks allowing latex to be ran?

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IE similar to eval

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:37 PM

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I think we can restrict it... I think the setting is called paranoid? The only thing we'd have to check for is making sure we handle when someone tries to get it to loop forever or other silly stuff

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what "thing" are you referring to? is there an issue for it?

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:40 PM

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thorny obsidian I think we can restrict it... I think the setting is called `paranoid`? The only...

Google says yes, both "paranoid" and "restricted" exist.

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:40 PM

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Is there an issue for this problem?

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:40 PM

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That was implemented, was it not?

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Yes, on the repo where we track issues and PRs for the issues.

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:41 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/site/blob/main/pydis_site/hosts.py#L4-L8

stable mountainBOT Apr 29, 2021, 1:41 PM

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pydis_site/hosts.py lines 4 to 8

host_patterns = patterns(
    '',
    host(r'admin', 'pydis_site.apps.admin.urls', name="admin"),
    # External API ingress (over the net)
    host(r'api', 'pydis_site.apps.api.urls', name='api'),```

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Well, the correct process here would be to make an issue on the repo so we can discuss it. Once it's approved and assigned to you, then you can start working on it.

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 1:43 PM

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github, gitlab, gists, and something else I think

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:43 PM

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sleek steppe github, gitlab, gists, and something else I think

Bitbucket

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:44 PM

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To open an issue, go here https://github.com/python-discord/bot/issues and then document (preferably with screenshots) what the issue is.

GitHub

python-discord/bot

The community bot for the Python Discord community - python-discord/bot

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:44 PM

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thorny obsidian Well, the correct process here would be to make an issue on the repo so we can d...

Would it be useful to have this information on the contributing page of the site? A lot of people reference those pages when setting up, so keeping it there might help.

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:44 PM

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it does send already?

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:44 PM

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short snow it does send already?

Yes

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:44 PM

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stable mountain `pydis_site/hosts.py` lines 4 to 8 ```py host_patterns = patterns( '', h...

.

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:44 PM

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A core dev will review it and if you'd like to contribute to the fix, a core dev will assign you

short snow Apr 29, 2021, 1:45 PM

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in:channel

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yes it is easier for coredevs to review the issue then

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:45 PM

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from: <your name> in: <channel name> in discord search
And yes, info is appreciated to make communication easier

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:48 PM

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vocal prairie Would it be useful to have this information on the contributing page of the site...

I'm referring to this page: https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:50 PM

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If you can't document the error then we can't exactly know what to fix

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 1:52 PM

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So you want to limit the number of lines?

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:53 PM

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Yes

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:54 PM

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PR to fix this is here: https://github.com/python-discord/bot/pull/1551

GitHub

Fixed the code snippets limits by dolphingarlic · Pull Request #155...

Made the line limit 15 (including lines between two snippets)
Halved the char limit to be 1000

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:54 PM

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For a bug, you want to provide whatever you think will help people find and fix the issue. Usually things like description, causes, reproduction steps, etc

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But this is a simple fix, so nothing needed really beyond description

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I plan on porting over the templates to more of our projects, but we will have a dev meeting at some point first

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Cc: @vocal wolf

thorny obsidian Apr 29, 2021, 1:55 PM

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Not yet, the fix is being reviewed

vocal wolf Apr 29, 2021, 1:55 PM

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we need a dev meeting, yes

gritty wind Apr 29, 2021, 1:56 PM

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If someone is already assigned, no

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Unless you ask to work with them and get assigned

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But it seems like the code is already written

placid ermine Apr 29, 2021, 2:04 PM

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So
do I PR a latex command which uses the local installation

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and

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do I have to open issue

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 2:04 PM

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thorny obsidian we can have it available on the node lance is running on or available in the sto...

I think you first should check with @patent pivot about this ^

patent pivot Apr 29, 2021, 2:05 PM

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hmm

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theoreticlly we'd just install it in the docker image

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we could maybe cache on the host

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:14 PM

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For bot#1547, is this good for the embed?

dusky shoreBOT Apr 29, 2021, 5:14 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen Use embed timestamp in mod pings off

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Not sure about the checkmark, it should use ✅ but overall that's pretty good

vocal prairie Apr 29, 2021, 5:16 PM

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I'm pretty sure that check is the pfp part of the footer, right?

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:16 PM

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The icon_url

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I wasn't sure if this looked better

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:28 PM

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yeah

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:28 PM

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green oriole Not sure about the checkmark, it should use ✅ but overall that's pretty good

its because its actually an image slot to use a custom image

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Oh hmmm

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:29 PM

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sleek steppe For bot#1547, is this good for the embed?

I used Icons.green_questionmark here

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:29 PM

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why is it named questionmark

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Could we just plug the CDN url for the built-in emoji?

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:30 PM

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sleek steppe I wasn't sure if this looked better

@green oriole that's this

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https://discord.com/assets/212e30e47232be03033a87dc58edaa95.svg

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:30 PM

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But that's not the Discord version of this, is it

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:30 PM

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oh

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:30 PM

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fallen patrol https://discord.com/assets/212e30e47232be03033a87dc58edaa95.svg

you mean this

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Yeah, this exact one

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:30 PM

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but that's an svg and iirc they don't take svgs

fervent sage Apr 29, 2021, 5:31 PM

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issue is the image urls dont ^

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Aaahh discord, consistency at its finest

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Hmm couldn't you link it from the twemoji repo?

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https://github.com/twitter/twemoji/raw/master/assets/72x72/2705.png

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:33 PM

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green oriole Hmm couldn't you link it from the twemoji repo?

i mean, why not use a constant?

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:33 PM

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sleek steppe I used `Icons.green_questionmark` here

this is already a constant

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Well, if we use the link we should store it as a constant

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:34 PM

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New constant?

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:34 PM

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why does it need to use something new?

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a constant already exists

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:34 PM

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I'm not too sure where this constant is from but it looks pretty bad in comparison to the other emojis

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Should I just replace this

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:34 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/635950537262759947/837376309133967400/unknown.png

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how does that look bad?

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aside from the role colors

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:35 PM

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Hmmmm

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I remember they were for something

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:35 PM

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it can't be reused?

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:36 PM

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It doesn't really fit the Discord emojis if you ask me here

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:36 PM

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although ngl the constant has a pretty bad name Icons.green_questionmark
that's a checkmark.

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https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/2db3cbb84aaa95261914a8fb8571555519fff438/bot/exts/help_channels/_message.py#L112

stable mountainBOT Apr 29, 2021, 5:36 PM

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bot/exts/help_channels/_message.py line 112

embed.set_thumbnail(url=constants.Icons.green_questionmark)```

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:36 PM

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that's where its used

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:36 PM

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This is what it looks like with the default emoji

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:37 PM

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stable mountain `bot/exts/help_channels/_message.py` line 112 ```py embed.set_thumbnail(url=cons...

this is the only use that i can see as well

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Aha, it is used at the top of the help channel messages

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You found it already it seems like haha

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In this case it looks good because there is some vertical space under it

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:38 PM

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sleek steppe This is what it looks like with the default emoji

So this one is better?

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Oh

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It is rounded by discord, isn't it

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Yes

green oriole Apr 29, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Gotcha

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We can use the existing one then

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Sorry that I didn't realize earlier

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:41 PM

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fallen patrol although ngl the constant has a pretty bad name `Icons.green_questionmark` that'...

Whoops I meant checkmark

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It's still used in help channels though

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:43 PM

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sleek steppe Whoops I meant checkmark

Unfortunately you didn't.

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It's actually a constant of question mark within the bot.

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Yeah I know, which is why I messed up

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Would that be out of scope for the pr to rename it in the help channels cog as well

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:46 PM

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fallen patrol Would that be out of scope for the pr to rename it in the help channels cog as w...

I mean...it's a green question mark

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:53 PM

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wat

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:53 PM

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sleek steppe I mean...it's a green question mark

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that is a checkmark

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❓

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that is a questionmark

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:54 PM

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I said I made a mistake

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https://raw.githubusercontent.com/python-discord/branding/main/icons/checkmark/green-question-mark-dist.png

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:54 PM

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~~you didn't~~

patent pivot Apr 29, 2021, 5:54 PM

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cute

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i like that

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:55 PM

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sleek steppe I said I made a mistake

you didn't tho

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:55 PM

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fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:55 PM

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the constant is referring to the emoji in this embed

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https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/2db3cbb84aaa95261914a8fb8571555519fff438/bot/exts/help_channels/_message.py#L112

stable mountainBOT Apr 29, 2021, 5:55 PM

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bot/exts/help_channels/_message.py line 112

embed.set_thumbnail(url=constants.Icons.green_questionmark)```

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:55 PM

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That is the DM

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:55 PM

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wait...

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oh

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i am dumb

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sorry

sleek steppe Apr 29, 2021, 5:56 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/2db3cbb84aaa95261914a8fb8571555519fff438/bot/exts/help_channels/_message.py#L194

stable mountainBOT Apr 29, 2021, 5:56 PM

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embed.set_author(name=AVAILABLE_TITLE, icon_url=constants.Icons.green_checkmark)```

fallen patrol Apr 29, 2021, 5:56 PM

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i legit thought the constant was wrong

exotic ember Apr 30, 2021, 3:20 AM

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@vocal prairie o/ Just giving a heads up that since the guides have been migrated to the dewikification branch, you're free to start work on the search function

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 5:53 AM

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!src src

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Command: source

Display information and a GitHub link to the source code of a command, tag, or cog.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 5:53 AM

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😛

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Inspect.

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!d inspect

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 6:16 AM

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inspect

Source code: Lib/inspect.py

The inspect module provides several useful functions to help get information about live objects such as modules, classes, methods, functions, tracebacks, frame objects, and code objects. For example, it can help you examine the contents of a class, retrieve the source code of a method, extract and format the argument list for a function, or get all the information you need to display a detailed traceback.

There are four main kinds of services provided by this module: type checking, getting source code, inspecting classes and functions, and examining the interpreter stack.

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 6:33 AM

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placid ermine So do I PR a latex command which uses the local installation

bump

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theoretically it should just be 2-3 lines changed but god knows

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 6:36 AM

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What do you mean by local installation? Like using a latex distribution rather than matplotlib and starting with.subprocess?

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Yes

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Did what @gritty wind was doing not pan out?

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:39 AM

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No idea

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 6:41 AM

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tawdry vapor What do you mean by local installation? Like using a latex distribution rather t...

I was thinking of still using matplotlib with the usetex=True configuration
ditching mpl entirely might also be possible ig

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 6:43 AM

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I see. Depends on how much benefit the mpl interface would provide. Hard for me to tell without actually seeing both implementations.

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I think if we were to install latex then we should look into lightweight distributions. Even the most basic package on debian is like 150MB. Texlive is also not particularly fast from what I understand.

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 6:45 AM

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via mpl, it would just be the current code with one line added to the config
without mpl i think i would have to make a template .tex file, write to it and render in a subprocess

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Yeah I found a ~150MB distribution too, though a SO post said ~75MB is possible

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 6:46 AM

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It's a trade off of performance and more features (ie more packages)

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:46 AM

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Odd

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 6:46 AM

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Also more work to set it up in the dockerfile compared to just apt get I imagine

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:46 AM

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It looked to me like it was only 105 mb

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 6:47 AM

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placid ermine Yeah I found a ~150MB distribution too, though a SO post said ~75MB is possible

I saw as low as 10MB or something. No idea which packages it had though.

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:47 AM

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I probably already had 45 mb worth of packages installed

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 6:47 AM

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I'm not super concerned about space but it'd be nice to keep it low

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:48 AM

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For a development friendly bot it should be pretty high priority

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Imho

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 6:49 AM

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I mean
if you're not working on the latex command
do you need a latex installation at all

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 6:49 AM

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No but

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Docker file will install it anyways

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Unless an env var could be configured to skip that in the image lol

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 6:50 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/434471097199755267.gif?v=1&size=40

balmy sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 6:51 AM

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@short snow went a little overboard with that docstring haha i didn't mean to make it that long, but i've approved nevertheless

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 7:19 AM

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If you’re talking about 100 and 150mb there isn’t much improvement over matplotlib

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The reason processes didn’t pan out is matplotlib rendering would try to do everything in one step and basically overload the memory limits

patent pivot Apr 30, 2021, 7:23 AM

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Hey folks, an update. Discord have rolled out a service deploy and fixed the issue I reported about our bots not getting typing start and user update.

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 7:23 AM

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perfect, so now we can test whether the user is typing or not?

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 7:24 AM

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balmy sparrow <@!736234578745884682> went a little overboard with that docstring haha i didn't...

lol, just went on typing

patent pivot Apr 30, 2021, 7:28 AM

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short snow perfect, so now we can test whether the user is typing or not?

yes, we can

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 7:38 AM

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placid ermine So do I PR a latex command which uses the local installation

So I think a PR is premature but using an external installation is probably the fix. Have you confirmed that the memory issues are circumvented when using an external install? The other thing to discuss is finding a distribution that has a good compromise between performance, size, and packages.

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Have you confirmed that the memory issues are circumvented when using an external install?
Yeah, there are no memory issues when it uses the local installation

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:13 AM

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@vale ibex perhaps .avmod as an alias too

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ooh its merged

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:14 AM

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fervent sage <@!126811506632294400> perhaps `.avmod` as an alias too

hah too late

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:15 AM

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i can just add it in my thing lol

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:15 AM

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feel free to add in your PR though 🙂

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yea 😄

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:15 AM

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am i good to start on that now?

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:15 AM

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fervent sage am i good to start on that now?

dewit

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:15 AM

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epic, ty!

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 9:24 AM

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#dev-log message weee merged!

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:29 AM

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Wonder what happened here

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#bot-commands message

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 9:31 AM

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hmmm, is event some tag?

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!event

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!tag list

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!t

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nope, pithink

brazen charm Apr 30, 2021, 9:33 AM

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It matches subcommands iirc

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:34 AM

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Yea, I think that's it

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since its an alias of

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!help branding about

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 9:34 AM

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Command Help

!branding about
Can also use: branding current, branding event

Show the current event's description and duration.

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 9:43 AM

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is there a issue open about griff-ify command?

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and would it be better to use an api, like https://github.com/Shivansh-007/griff-ify (needs more improvements)
or do it in the bot itself

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:51 AM

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@vale ibex to confirm on my issue, my current plan was to pretty much remove the individual commands in favour of just the two .avatarmod *ops and .avatarmod list, is this ok or should I try to keep both?

The main reasoning/issue that means removing the commands is better is that the ideal solution uses invoked_without_command in the group decorator, which means if I do .avatarmod 8bitify invert but there's a command named 8bitify, the command will take precedence and think that it was passed invert as an argument, not that it was passed two effects to apply.

The other thing is that I want to put each effect in a class like:

class EffectClass:
    description = "A description of what the effect does, so I can use this in `.avatarmod help <effect>`"

    def __call__(self, image: Image) -> Image:
        ...
```the issue i have now is that some of the effect commands take parameters, such as
```py
async def avatareasterify(self, ctx: commands.Context, *colours: t.Union[discord.Colour, str]) -> None:
```so I'd need to figure out some way to pass those as well.
The solution I'm currently thinking of thus looks something like this:
`.avatarmod *options` applies the options to your avatar with defaults that the effects provide
`.avatarmod list` lists the available options/effects
`.avatarmod help/info <effect>` shows the `EffectClass.description` for that operation
`.avatarmod effect <effect>` does what the current commands do basically, so an example command might be `.avmod effect easterify #87ceeb`

These should all work provided there isnt an effect called `list` `help` `info` or `effect` which seems fairly unlikely.

Wow this is a big message.

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:54 AM

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Yea, that sounds good. I'd like there to be a limit on the number effects you can do at once, or at least some limit on concurrency

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:54 AM

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yep, currently i have a constant called MAX_OPERATIONS set to 5

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:54 AM

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Also, my PR added root aliases, so .avatarmod effect may not be needed

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:54 AM

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but it can be changed

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:55 AM

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vale ibex Also, my PR added root aliases, so `.avatarmod effect` may not be needed

ohhhh yeah, thats very convenient

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:55 AM

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Yea 😄 Thank Mark for that, i just ported it from @stable mountain

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 9:55 AM

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kek

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 9:55 AM

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lul

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 9:58 AM

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this would a really nice addition

placid ermine Apr 30, 2021, 10:11 AM

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a fine addition to our collection

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 10:14 AM

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fervent sage yep, currently i have a constant called `MAX_OPERATIONS` set to 5

Is this on concurrent operations, or number of options at a time?

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If the latter, I think adding a max_concurrency to this could be a good idea.

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 10:14 AM

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vale ibex Is this on concurrent operations, or number of options at a time?

thats max chained options, but yeah i'll add a max_concurrency too

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Awesome 😄

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 11:41 AM

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exotic ember <@!788119126450765844> o/ Just giving a heads up that since the guides have been...

Cool, thanks!

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:15 PM

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!source

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Bot's GitHub Repository

Repository

Go to GitHub

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:18 PM

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you guys know thse commands like

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!code

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:18 PM

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!xyz

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 12:18 PM

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xy-problem

Asking about your attempted solution rather than your actual problem.

Often programmers will get distracted with a potential solution they've come up with, and will try asking for help getting it to work. However, it's possible this solution either wouldn't work as they expect, or there's a much better solution instead.

For more information and examples: http://xyproblem.info/

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 12:19 PM

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Yea, what about them? 😄

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:19 PM

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we should add one about how to get help, people always ask "where can I get help" and I always say #❓｜how-to-get-help and #python-discussion

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a more detailed command would be way betrter

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 12:19 PM

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We used to have one before, but it was abused and dropped without context

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:20 PM

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it should be added back

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 12:20 PM

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there is a issue about that open

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where lemon asks to word it better

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 12:20 PM

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So we removed it, in favour of people writing actual sentences to users

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:20 PM

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how was it abused?

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:20 PM

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What would that tag even say that isn't easier to just type out?

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 12:21 PM

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just a single line

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:22 PM

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warm sparrow how was it abused?

User A claims a help channel or asks a question
User A: "Hi"
User B: tag

The tag was just dismissive, used to often and too early, and often would just come across as rude to users, especially ones who have never used the system before

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But again, what do you envision from this tag anyways?

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:22 PM

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bruhh

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my message was insta deleted

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:22 PM

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Don't ask to ask also had the same problem

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Yes, it was deleted for that link

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:22 PM

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can you re-post it?

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:23 PM

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Read the #help channel for information on claiming a help-channel or ask more simple questions in #python-general.

Never be afraid to ask questions, and make sure to ask them according to basic conventions: https://dontasktoask.com/

The first sentence is easily conveyed in:

Check out #❓｜how-to-get-help to get help.
Doesn't really take much to type it out

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As for don't ask to ask

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That was blacklisted in the first place because while it's message may be relevant, it's quite rude in presentation, and is often dropped to quickly in a manner that had the same problem as the old tag

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Read the #help channel for information on claiming a help-channel or ask more simple questions in #python-discussion.

Never be afraid to ask questions, and make sure to include your full-error, what you are attempting to achieve and all the problematic code so we can help you quickly.

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vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Honestly, I don't see us ever adding back a help tag like this. When it existed before, it was used in an aggressive manner.

For example, as Scaleios showed above, a user would opened a channel with Hi or hello and would then the channel would get flooded by people sending the ask tag. Which is extremely off putting for new users.

Whereas a simple What is your question? or What can we help you with? is far more welcoming.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:26 PM

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warm sparrow Read the #help channel for information on claiming a help-channel or ask more si...

isn't all that info already in #❓｜how-to-get-help

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and at that point, won't it be easier to tell people to read it

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 12:26 PM

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short snow there is a issue about that open

bot#1111 btw

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 12:26 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen Write a new !ask tag

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 12:26 PM

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might want to comment and close that then?

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 12:27 PM

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That issue exists as it's something that we may consider if there is a good way to prevent it from being abused.

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The last two sections summarise that quite well.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:28 PM

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I think it would be a helpful tag but I conceed the possible agressivness of the use of the tag may be problematic.

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 12:28 PM

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warm sparrow I think it would be a helpful tag but I conceed the possible agressivness of the...

Yea, that's the problem unfortunately. I agree it can be useful to save time, but due to the number of users in this server, it's highly likely to be abused if re-introduced 😦

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:29 PM

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maybe if it was exclusive to general and said something simple such as

Read the entirety of the #get-help channel to learn where to get help and how to ask a good and detailed question!

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:35 PM

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I don't honestly think it's all that useful of a tag, and the reasons for that require a bit of an understanding about why it was removed it in the first place. The tag is a very easy way of telling people to do something, the problem there is: users aren't expected to be told to do something.

If a user that isn't familiar with the help system comes in and says hi, they do so because that's expected in other settings. In their mind, they are just following the norm, and the next step would be waiting for someone to respond, then ask the question, like you would in real life.

Because the tag is literally one word, four letters, a ton of people would drop in, invoke it, then wait for the user to respond, without clarifying why they did that at all. The asker then may not understand why this block of text has shown up, or why people are typing random words in.

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 12:36 PM

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it feels much nicer as a user imo if someone says "Hey, you should check out #❓｜how-to-get-help since this isnt really the right channel" anyway

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:37 PM

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No, no, no. you guys have misunderstood me I think

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:37 PM

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Consider these two scenarios:

User A claims a help channel
User A: Hi.
User B: !ask
Bot: ....
In this scenario, nothing is targeted at the user, and a block of text has randomly shown up

Second scenario:

User A claims a help channel
User A: Hi.
User B: @User A Hey, please check out #❓｜how-to-get-help (or hey, go ahead and ask your question)

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:37 PM

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no no no

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the tag is for when people ask

"Where can I get help"
A lot of people come and don't exactly know which channel to ask so they just are like "where can I get help". I'm not thinking about people asking the question badly

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:38 PM

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But why would they read a random block of text

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Why is a tag easier than saying: check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:38 PM

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less characters and the tag can be more detailed.

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in the search look for 'where can i ask'

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and there are other variations of people asking, it's common. I think a tag would make it easy for helpers to respond to somebody quickly whilst helping somebody else.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:40 PM

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I'll just go off your last draft:

Read the #help channel for information on claiming a help-channel or ask more simple questions in #python-discussion.

Never be afraid to ask questions, and make sure to include your full-error, what you are attempting to achieve and all the problematic code so we can help you quickly.

The second paragraph is about what type of questions to ask. The first is literally one sentence that can just say: "check out #❓｜how-to-get-help"

It will also be directed at the asker from a user, not in a random text block from the bot which they may not understand is directed towards them, espically in high trafiic channels like #python-discussion

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:40 PM

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gritty wind I'll just go off your last draft: > Read the #help channel for information on cl...

Then remove the second part, I agree with your reasoning why it is unreasonable

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:41 PM

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Hmm but without the second paragraph, there really isn't much left in the tag

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:42 PM

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If you want to ask a simple question, go ahead and ask it in the General Channel, if you need help on a more in-depth project then check out #how-to-get-help and claim a help channel.

But if you are looking for help on a specific topic, browse channels in the Topic Chat/Help category to see if any channels are applicable to you.

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from !code

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so fast to type, more detailed. common question. seems to be no reason not to add imo

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:47 PM

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I outlined my qualms with this being a tag at all here:

It will also be directed at the asker from a user, not in a random text block from the bot which they may not understand is directed towards them, especially in high trafiic channels like #python-discussion

The fundamental flaw with that message imo is that there is no context in which it makes sense. The only place where it makes sense to direct people like this is in #python-discussion, in which case you can drop the first sentence. You can drop the second one in favor of "check out #❓｜how-to-get-help". The only thing that tag adds is the third sentence about topical channel (even though you can tell users the correct topical channel directly). Anyways, I don't think one sentence is enough to displace the problems with a tag.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:48 PM

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!code @gritty wind

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:48 PM

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hm

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I thought that was a thing

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:48 PM

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Right, so imagine this in a fast scrolling channel like py-gen

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a random user has pinged me with nonsensical words

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not really clear what I'm supposed to do from here

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Which was also a reality of the original ask tag

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Oscar: !code @slow bone

Here are the best channels to get help:

If you want to ask a simple question, go ahead and ask it in the General Channel, if you need help on a more in-depth project then check out #how-to-get-help and claim a help channel.

But if you are looking for help on a specific topic, browse channels in the Topic Chat/Help category to see if any channels are applicable to you.

Modmail: ?

Oscar: Read bot's message :)
Understand this above scenario is not 100% of the time, most times people understasnd instantly
Could also be a in-build functionality of the bot that if you @ somebody in the tag calling it will send it in the tag-text itself.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:50 PM

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len(check out #❓｜how-to-get-help) < len(Read the bot's message)

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:51 PM

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I think you are saying some false intuitions on how fast general is, sometimes it is very slow and usually it is at max 1 message every 6~ seconds

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:51 PM

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It doesn't have to scroll at all

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but how do you connect between a random bot message, and someone pinging you?

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:52 PM

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gritty wind len(check out <#704250143020417084>) < len(Read the bot's message)

Not needed all the time and the tag also talks about more stuff.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:52 PM

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I outlined how the only thing the tag adds is topical channels

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:52 PM

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gritty wind but how do you connect between a random bot message, and someone pinging you?

This server is full of Python Programmers, we are not stupid. Even a basic human should be able to figure it out. By this logic we might aswell remove every other tag that can be used to answer a question.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Lol

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Do you want proof of this exact scenario?

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It's available

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Even if, in some cases; people will not understand it. Your logic still applies to most tags avaliable.

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They are still mostly functional.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:53 PM

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What is the connection between someone pinging you, and a random bot message

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:54 PM

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After a bot command prefixed by a symbol "!" is sent a bot sends a message with the header "Here are the best channels to get help:"

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:54 PM

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As for the other tags, the only one I think really applies to that is resources, what other ones are used in py-gen?

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:54 PM

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I think the relation is there.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Ultimately, if you are 100% sure about your viewpoint, leave a comment on the issue. We'll discuss it in a staff meeting, and maybe vote on it

brazen charm Apr 30, 2021, 12:55 PM

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The main concern I see with the tag is people just throwing it around. You're assuming the best case scenario where both the sender and the recipient understand what's going on and are using it properly, but previously with the ask tag it being sent instantly after a help channel was claimed (even when the claimant was typing out some kind of an explanation to the code for example), with no later communication from the person who sent it was a frequent occurrence. That is not something that you can really fix with wording imo as long as the idea of the tag remains

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:55 PM

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gritty wind As for the other tags, the only one I think really applies to that is resources,...

"how do I make my code look like yours does"
!code

"how should I start to learn python?"
!resources

"what is the xyz problem?"
!xyz

I don't know all the tags, I think it works im more.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:55 PM

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brazen charm The main concern I see with the tag is people just throwing it around. You're as...

I stated earlier how it would be a good idea to make the tag specific to pygen

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 12:56 PM

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In my opinion, it's rather insensitive to through some random tag at someone, especially since many people ask that right when the join the server. It's much kinder to actually take the time to welcome someone and direct them to get help if needed.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:56 PM

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I assume that the tag would be sent in py-gen after somebody asked where to get help, if it is not used in that scenario it really should be discounted and most people will learn to do so.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:56 PM

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vocal prairie In my opinion, it's rather insensitive to through some random tag at someone, es...

It's more detailed, easier to type and helps the user more.

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 12:58 PM

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But it's insensitive. We don't want this server to become people throwing random bot tags at each other 24/7, we want it to be a friendly, welcoming community where we can have (virtual) human interaction and chat about Python.

brazen charm Apr 30, 2021, 12:58 PM

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I think the same things apply, even if at a smaller degree because more people are active in the channel

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 12:59 PM

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And tbh, not as many people read bot tags as you think. When they see embeds, a lot of people just ignore them.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 12:59 PM

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vocal prairie But it's insensitive. We don't want this server to become people throwing random...

Is it any better to throw a channel name at them #❓｜how-to-get-help ? You are taking my examples to extreme lengths that are simply not realistic, they will be sending it 24/7, just in the case somebody asks where to get help. It's a one-time question people have which elimiates the need for them to ask again.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:00 PM

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vocal prairie And tbh, not as many people read bot tags as you think. When they see embeds, a ...

Stop trying to disaprove of this specific embed by disaproving of all embeds, they are useful, widely used and approved by the community. It's just the same.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:00 PM

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gritty wind Ultimately, if you are 100% sure about your viewpoint, leave a comment on the is...

can I get a link to the issue? I can't find it.

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 1:01 PM

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dusky shore

it's this one

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:01 PM

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ty

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no.

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this is not at all what I want to make

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:01 PM

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warm sparrow !code <@!386599446571384843>

be nice if this was a thing lol

gritty wind Apr 30, 2021, 1:01 PM

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That was the old tag we removed

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where you can suggest replacement tags

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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maybe I should just make a new issue with more details instead concidering this is simply different.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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fallen patrol be nice if this was a thing lol

I thought it was, guess I was just mistaken.

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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fallen patrol be nice if this was a thing lol

huh. what about using replies for this in the bot

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so if a person replies to a message with a tag, the bot will reply to the same message

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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that'd be cool

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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but only in #python-discussion

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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i don't know if its possible in discord.py

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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warm sparrow i don't know if its possible in discord.py

it is lol

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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good idea then

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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warm sparrow I thought it was, guess I was just mistaken.

That was suggested, but I don't know if it was ever implemented.

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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!d discord.Message.reply

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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discord.Message.reply


await reply(content=None, **kwargs)```
This function is a [*coroutine*](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine).

A shortcut method to [`abc.Messageable.send()`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.abc.Messageable.send "discord.abc.Messageable.send") to reply to the [`Message`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Message "discord.Message").

New in version 1.6.

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Only the person who "summoned" the embed can use the trash can

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:04 PM

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lemon_angrysad

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:04 PM

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and only for around 5 minutes too

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:05 PM

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i'm going to start making an issue

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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warm sparrow !code <@!386599446571384843>

bot#1382

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen Mention username/ping user in commands such as !paste

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:08 PM

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…why is double ping such an issue?

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:12 PM

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it's not

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:13 PM

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dusky shore

in this issue it is

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if ur worried about actually pinging a user twice in the channel, just send the content and then edit it to actually mention

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that way you get the orange color but not the rest of it

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:36 PM

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there we go

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bot#1557

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 1:39 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen New "!help" tag to allow the community to quickly respond to a commonly asked question.

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:41 PM

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would enjoy input @gritty wind or @vocal prairie

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 1:41 PM

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warm sparrow would enjoy input <@!386599446571384843> or <@!788119126450765844>

!help is an existing command

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:43 PM

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FUCK

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 1:44 PM

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lol

warm sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 1:44 PM

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what else could it be

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!gethelp

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yes, gethelp

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bruhhh

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already I cahnged the title 3 times

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 3:23 PM

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@sullen phoenix why is the token remover being removed?

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Er, @cold island

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 3:25 PM

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filters are moving

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 3:27 PM

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so they filter every message?

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including bot responses?

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 3:27 PM

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?

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 3:27 PM

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why are they moving?

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what good does that do?

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 3:28 PM

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We're redoing our filter system so it's more cohesive, adaptable, and makes more sense.

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 3:29 PM

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take a look at site#482 and bot#1530

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 3:29 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen New Filters System Specifications
PROpen New filter schema

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 3:29 PM

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and site#479

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 3:29 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen New Filter schemas

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 3:31 PM

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It's not being removed, I just created a new branch without the old filters system so that the bot is still functional

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The commit message says it will be brought back

balmy sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 4:26 PM

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@sleek steppe the bug you'd commented about in the image commands PR became an issue lmao

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i wonder how this works

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is there some sort of size restriction or something that's making it get sent separate from the embed

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 4:27 PM

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@vale ibex said he fixed it blobpain

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He said it was something about invalid names

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 4:27 PM

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I thought I did

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have you got reproduction steps?

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

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you need to make the filename url safe i think

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

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I think it's names with spaces in them

balmy sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

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#sir-lancebot-playground message

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

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fervent sage you need to make the filename url safe i think

yea, that's what I thought I did

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https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/blob/9981c0b4f2af3fb0a91c4d1f49fcf4400a8bfc6b/bot/exts/evergreen/avatar_modification/avatar_modify.py#L41-L55

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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when i add () to my name it breaks

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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oh, () are valid filenames in unix

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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perhaps urllib.uriquote

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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I guess not for discord

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Easily changed though, can just remove () from line 43

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 4:30 PM

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i'll test that now

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if it works i'll pr it too

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 4:30 PM

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👍

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sir-lancebot#712 was raised for it

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 4:31 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen Savatar command shows the savage image outside the embed!

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 4:32 PM

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short snow Apr 30, 2021, 4:33 PM

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it works hmmm

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without any change?

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 4:33 PM

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no thats with change

short snow Apr 30, 2021, 4:33 PM

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ok

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Ummmm… Lance just died when I did .savatar. No response

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After typing for a while

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And I haven't changed my pfp for a day or two.

glass pecan Apr 30, 2021, 4:35 PM

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yep, we got the error

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 4:35 PM

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ok, sir-lancebot#713

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 4:35 PM

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GitHub

PROpen fix: remove () from list of safe filename chars

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 4:37 PM

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This is what I have now

balmy sparrow Apr 30, 2021, 4:54 PM

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looks cool

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 4:54 PM

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does it apply random rotations?

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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I don't think so

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Then what does it do?

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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vocal prairie Then what does it do?

slices the image into tiles and rearranges them it seems

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Yep

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Isn't that what .splitify does?

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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.splitify

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?

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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It's being worked on iirc

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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.splitify is this

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Ohhhh

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 5:03 PM

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look at sir-lancebot#687

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:03 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen splitify - new command similar to 8bitify (command name could be changed)

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:03 PM

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mosaic seems like a good name

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Joe suggested it in the previous PR

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Thoughts on sir-lancebot#711?

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:05 PM

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GitHub

IssueOpen Move the .issue/.pr command into the .github group

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 5:05 PM

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I like the idea

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But I think we should definitely keep them as root aliases

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:06 PM

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I think the .issue and .pr aren't really needed with the dsfasdf#234123423414 thing

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 5:06 PM

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That's true

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:07 PM

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the new code snippets feature should probably become a part of that cog

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:08 PM

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True, we could def use a consolidation of those features into one cog that makes sense

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 5:08 PM

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thorny obsidian I think the .issue and .pr aren't really needed with the dsfasdf#234123423414 th...

do they give extra info tho?

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.pr quackstack 37

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:08 PM

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GitHub

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 5:08 PM

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hm

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evidently thats not a pr

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lol

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 5:08 PM

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.issue python-discord/sir-lancebot#1

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:08 PM

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GitHub

IssueClosed Set up some simple Discord bot boilerplate.

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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.issue 1

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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GitHub

IssueClosed Set up some simple Discord bot boilerplate.

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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sir-lancebot#1

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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GitHub

IssueClosed Set up some simple Discord bot boilerplate.

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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nope

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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ok yeah its kinda useless then

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i think rather than removing it maybe it would be worthwhile to increase the info it displays, such as including the author

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Yeah, I think maybe having like a "github" cog or whatever that contains these features would be helpful

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 5:10 PM

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.github

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Because the asfasdf#11214 and having .issue and .pr feels needlessly redundant.

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.github kutiekatj9

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Command Help

.github
Can also use: gh, git

Commands for finding information related to GitHub.

Subcommands:
repository [repo...]
Fetches a repositories' GitHub information.
user <username>
Fetches a user's GitHub information.

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:10 PM

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.github janine9vn

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-_-

vale ibex Apr 30, 2021, 5:10 PM

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.github user janine9vn

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 5:10 PM

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`janine9vn`'s GitHub profile info

Engineer that likes to design and build things.

Followers

Following

Public repos

Gists

Organizations

No organizations

Website

No website link available

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:11 PM

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No organizations lemon_angrysad

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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could i create an issue along the lines of "Increase the amount of information given in .issue/.pr commands"

Basically, remove the ability to have multiple issues/prs since normal detection can do that, and add author details

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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thorny obsidian .github janine9vn

Yeah it was changed to a group

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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lolno, I'm not bout to be doxxed that much

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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doxxed?

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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You can selectively enable which organisations for which you publicly display your membership

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Listing of my organizations would very quickly reveal who I am and I don't want the link between them ever. So I just don't list any.

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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hm, didn't think of the other ones, just meant pydis

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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python-discord should be fine right?

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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I don't want people from org A to necessarily know who I am here. I don't want people from org B to know who I am over there and I contribute to both.

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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but no pressure lol

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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ah

fervent sage Apr 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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fervent sage could i create an issue along the lines of "Increase the amount of information g...

anyways, bump :P

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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You're contributing to public repositories but fair enough, I suppose it would make it easier to find.

thorny obsidian Apr 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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I am, but there's not that much of a link from my github username to the one here unless you look particularly hard.

cold island Apr 30, 2021, 5:15 PM

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fervent sage could i create an issue along the lines of "Increase the amount of information g...

It can allow for more discussion about it at the very least, so why not

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 6:23 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/blob/main/.github/pull_request_template.md#L18 spelling mistake

stable mountainBOT Apr 30, 2021, 6:23 PM

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.github/pull_request_template.md line 18

- [ ] Read all the comments in this tempelate?```

green oriole Apr 30, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Oh no

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Can you open a PR please?

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 6:28 PM

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Sure

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Hello! I was thinking about how to implement search for the website, and I was thinking that it could get the headings and stuff using beautiful soup for the html. But I don't know how that would work for markdown. Any thoughts?

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 8:04 PM

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vocal prairie Hello! I was thinking about how to implement search for the website, and I was t...

Why do you need to get the makrodwn?

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Markdown*

jagged monolith Apr 30, 2021, 8:19 PM

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is this the right channel for questions about contributing to python or is this specifically only for the discord ?

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 8:22 PM

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It's specifically for this Discord's project. If you have questions about e.g. CPython contribution, I think #internals-and-peps is an appropriate place.

jagged monolith Apr 30, 2021, 8:23 PM

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ok thanks!

vocal wolf Apr 30, 2021, 8:53 PM

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@tawdry vapor bot#1555 merged

dusky shoreBOT Apr 30, 2021, 8:53 PM

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GitHub

PRMerged Code Snippets: Fix Error Handling for HTTP Request Errors

tawdry vapor Apr 30, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Thanks

vocal wolf Apr 30, 2021, 8:59 PM

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np

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@ashen isle were you able to get your local @stable mountain working?

ashen isle Apr 30, 2021, 9:01 PM

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oh uh

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I don't have access to a computer, so no

vocal wolf Apr 30, 2021, 9:01 PM

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oh

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Whenever you're available, then

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Does anyone know the Discord username of this person? https://github.com/doublevcodes

sleek steppe Apr 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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@clever wraith iirc

vocal wolf Apr 30, 2021, 9:11 PM

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vocal wolf Does anyone know the Discord username of this person? <https://github.com/double...

@clever wraith if you are in fact the in question person, were you able to make any progress on this?

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/pull/1410#issuecomment-828001506

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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vocal wolf <@456226577798135808> if you are in fact the in question person, were you able t...

fwiw it is linked to their discord account

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 10:09 PM

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fallen patrol Why do you need to get the makrodwn?

Because a lot of the files were moved to markdown in the site repo

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As part of dewikification

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 10:09 PM

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no i mean

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why do you need to parse the markdown

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 10:09 PM

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To implement search

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 10:10 PM

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but like

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why does that require parsing the markdown?

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do you need to know all of the formatting?

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 10:11 PM

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I need to know the content

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Specifically, the headers

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Right?

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Or is there something I'm missing?

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 10:20 PM

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but then you would just need to parse the header---- ohh

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🤦

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there's request headers and text headers

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i was thinking you meant request headers

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why? NO IDEA.

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Lol

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But do you know a good way to do that?

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 10:22 PM

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just look for # at the start of a line with a regex?

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^#

vocal wolf Apr 30, 2021, 10:25 PM

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If you have time to commit/push, go ahead.

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 10:27 PM

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fallen patrol just look for # at the start of a line with a regex?

That could work

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I also need to search for multiple types of headers

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So I guess I could programmatically generate a "sitemap" with all the headers listed to use internally

fallen patrol Apr 30, 2021, 10:30 PM

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vocal prairie That could work

obviously you would need to check how many there are lol

vocal prairie Apr 30, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Yeah

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I'd have to go through every line

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But how could I store that "sitemap"? pithink

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:24 AM

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The bot doesn't include docs for Pygame right?

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 12:24 AM

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!docs

stable mountainBOT May 1, 2021, 12:24 AM

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All inventories (`23` total)

• aiohttp
• arcade
• asyncpg
• dateutil
• discordpy
• django
• flask

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 12:24 AM

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correct

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:25 AM

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Could we add that? I see a lot of people asking about Pygame

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 12:25 AM

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Sounds like a good idea

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!source docs

stable mountainBOT May 1, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Command: docs

Look up documentation for Python symbols.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Is this the kind of index you would need? https://www.pygame.org/docs/genindex.html

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 12:27 AM

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I'm not actually sure, I've never added to the docs command before

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Probably https://www.pygame.org/docs/objects.inv and https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 12:27 AM

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You'd need the objects inventory like and a base url that^

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 12:28 AM

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!docs setdoc

stable mountainBOT May 1, 2021, 12:28 AM

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Missing required argument

package_name

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Command Help

!docs setdoc <package_name> <base_url> <inventory>
Can also use: docs s

*Adds a new documentation metadata object to the site's database.

The database will update the object, should an existing item with the specified package_name already exist.

Example:
!docs setdoc python https://docs.python.org/3/ https://docs.python.org/3/objects.inv*

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:28 AM

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tawdry vapor Probably `https://www.pygame.org/docs/objects.inv` and `https://www.pygame.org/...

Probably https://www.pygame.org/docs/#reference instead of the second one

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:29 AM

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No, that doesn't make sense

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:29 AM

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Or just https://pygame.org/docs

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Look at the URL to a specific symbol

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https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/draw.html#pygame.draw.circle

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Always starts with .../ref/

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Ohhh

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I was going based off the example

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:31 AM

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But yeah it might be doc/ instead of doc/ref

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Not sure

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:31 AM

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It's probably docs/ref

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Since https://www.pygame.org/docs/draw.html#pygame.draw.circle is invalid

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Well yeah but the /ref/ part might be in the inventory

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 12:32 AM

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We can always remove it from the system, I think Mark's links are correct.

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!docs setdoc pygame https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/ https://www.pygame.org/docs/objects.inv

stable mountainBOT May 1, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Bad argument

HTTP GET on https://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/ returned status 404, expected 200

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 12:32 AM

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oof

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:32 AM

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So the base url doesn't have ref?

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:33 AM

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Not necessarily

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It may just be an oversight with validation

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:33 AM

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!src doc setdoc

stable mountainBOT May 1, 2021, 12:33 AM

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Command: docs setdoc

Adds a new documentation metadata object to the site's database.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:33 AM

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It makes the assumption that the base URL has to be 200 but there's no technical reason why it should be

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Like it can be 404 but its children can be 200, as is the case with pygame

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Got it

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So that validation is off.

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Rather than the links

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 12:38 AM

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Is the base url only for when you do !d?

tawdry vapor May 1, 2021, 12:39 AM

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No. It's used to generate the URL to a symbol.

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 12:39 AM

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Ah ok

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 1:42 AM

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tawdry vapor It makes the assumption that the base URL has to be 200 but there's no technical...

isn't that the main thingy

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!d discord

stable mountainBOT May 1, 2021, 1:42 AM

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discord

In order to work with the library and the Discord API in general, we must first create a Discord Bot account.

Creating a Bot account is a pretty straightforward process.

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 1:42 AM

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no, i guess not

short snow May 1, 2021, 7:13 AM

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can we have a discord.py tag explaining why to use .listen() over .event?

balmy sparrow May 1, 2021, 7:52 AM

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i don't think that's necessary, the docs for listen explains it quite well (with examples as well)

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!d discord.ext.commands.Bot.listen

stable mountainBOT May 1, 2021, 7:52 AM

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discord.ext.commands.Bot.listen


listen(name=None)```
A decorator that registers another function as an external event listener. Basically this allows you to listen to multiple events from different places e.g. such as [`on_ready()`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.on_ready "discord.on_ready")

The functions being listened to must be a [coroutine](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine "(in Python v3.9)").

Example...

balmy sparrow May 1, 2021, 7:52 AM

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ah the example gets cut out off the embed now, but easy enough to click the link

short snow May 1, 2021, 7:56 AM

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for that we will have to leave discord, it could be better if we make one for own, adding few more points if needed (?)

brazen charm May 1, 2021, 8:00 AM

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Is leaving discord such a big issue when the recipient is already probably navigating between their editor, docs and discord?

short snow May 1, 2021, 8:03 AM

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uhh nope

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:29 AM

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There was just an interesting idea: what if the python bot moved help channels with only the claimant's messages to the top? People looking for people help could easily find people in need, and the chance of getting buried decreases.

fervent sage May 1, 2021, 8:31 AM

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i think it has its benefits, but in the end it means more state tracking of the channel which might cause weirdness if any events were dropped, that being said the weirdness applies to everything so /shrug it could be cool

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:32 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Maybe a command in lancebot or python?

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!needshelp

brazen charm May 1, 2021, 8:38 AM

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There were issues previously with moving channels around frequently, not sure if it'd still be an issue but having the channel move around may not be the best for other people as they'd have to remember the names instead of just the order

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:40 AM

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I mean a command that prints or DMs the user channels which need help - that way, states only need to be gotten when a user queries them: it could DM or print a list of all the channels which are not attended to and their first messages. It's easier to scroll down a list with the owner, first message, whether it's been attended to, than hunting through the channels and scrolling to the last messages. That being said, its utility could be questioned...

brazen charm May 1, 2021, 8:41 AM

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I believe something like this has already been discussed a couple of times, but no idea if a consensus was reached

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:42 AM

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Ah, aight :D

tough imp May 1, 2021, 8:45 AM

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what about a bot-managed message like the one in #❓｜how-to-get-help with unanswered channel links?

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having the order change in the channel list is disorienting for members that switch between channels

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:47 AM

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Good idea: an entire list could be maintained of all help channels and their important information

brazen charm May 1, 2021, 8:47 AM

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Where would it be kept?

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:48 AM

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A new channel maybe? #help-info

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 8:49 AM

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I'm glad the #❓｜how-to-get-help is still working

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so far hasn't died

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afaik

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:50 AM

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wdym?

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 8:50 AM

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The dynamic message showing what help channels are available for claiming hasn't frozen

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:51 AM

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Ah yes :) this is about the help channels that have been claimed but haven't been answered yet

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Functionality is questionable tho

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 8:51 AM

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vocal gale Ah yes :) this is about the help channels that have been claimed but haven't bee...

I know, just commenting on the other feature that we currently have.

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 8:52 AM

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vocal wolf I know, just commenting on the other feature that we currently have.

Ohhh, ok

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 8:52 AM

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tough imp what about a bot-managed message like the one in <#704250143020417084> with unan...

I like this idea, would we still go with a redis cache just like the dynamic help channel message?

tough imp May 1, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Isn't there already something like a cache of unanswered channels? I'm not sure

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It'd have to solve the problem of not receiving messages while restarting

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So it'd have to peak into some channels at start-up.. although I think that you can get something like the last message ID in each channel from just the channel obj? So there may be a neat way of doing this check that doesn't require any additional requests

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I'm not too familiar with the help channels ext though

green oriole May 1, 2021, 8:58 AM

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We used to have a different emojis for unanswered questions, I'm not sure if we have a cache for it though

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Not like it would be too hard to add anyway

brazen charm May 1, 2021, 9:02 AM

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Does last message id always point to the last message in discord or is it just updated from the events it receives?

tough imp May 1, 2021, 9:02 AM

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Oh yeah unaswered comes with the problem that a second msg from the claimaint shouldn't mark it as answered

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So last msg ID wouldn't work anyway

brazen charm May 1, 2021, 9:02 AM

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It could be used to at least check for new messages

tough imp May 1, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Yea, true

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 9:03 AM

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brazen charm It could be used to at least check for new messages

So something like "repeat: get message, is it the owner's ID?"

gritty wind May 1, 2021, 9:06 AM

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That wouldn’t really work, it could be the owner responding

brazen charm May 1, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Just checking if the cached id and the current id are mismatched on a restart. If they are it'd go through the history

gritty wind May 1, 2021, 9:06 AM

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You have to find the first message in the session

tough imp May 1, 2021, 9:09 AM

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Claimant ID is cached I'm sure

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if we also knew the msg id of the msg that claimed the channel, we'd be able to minimise the amount of requests needed

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yea, there is a claimants cache which holds user IDs and question_messages which holds msg IDs

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well it still wouldn't work though

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 9:14 AM

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But then, wouldn't we need to match every message to claimant ID?

tough imp May 1, 2021, 9:14 AM

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because the claimant could have sent something after someone answered yea

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well at least it'd minimise the amount of histories that need to be checked

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but just checking the last message wouldn't be enough

vocal gale May 1, 2021, 9:24 AM

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The time of last message needs to be cached too, because of dormant, so every time a new message is sent, can we check if it's the claimant?

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but then two simultaneous messages would break it.

short snow May 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

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what if we cache the first messsages when the channel are opened?

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and then on on_message, compare the msg id with that help channel's first msg id which was cached

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if same, put that in #❓｜how-to-get-help

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if not, continue

short snow May 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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short snow if same, put that in <#704250143020417084>

or whatever channel

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and btw akarys, i have pushed the tests for enhacing incidents

gritty wind May 1, 2021, 10:09 AM

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How would you get an on message without a second message 👀

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Just put it in automatically and remove it in a message event

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Maybe compare the author

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As for state syncs

short snow May 1, 2021, 10:09 AM

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welp, yeah

gritty wind May 1, 2021, 10:09 AM

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Just ignore it

short snow May 1, 2021, 10:10 AM

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that would be a good solution

warped compass May 1, 2021, 10:57 AM

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hay guys how do u move channels without rate limits?

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like from Occupied to available

gritty wind May 1, 2021, 11:01 AM

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We don’t

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There are limits

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And we take them into consideration when designing the system

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Some choices in the past have caused us to reach the limit, and sometimes we have turn certain features down

warped compass May 1, 2021, 11:43 AM

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ok thank you for the reply

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Discord.py handles ratelimits quite well though

fervent sage May 1, 2021, 12:34 PM

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Discord.py will never get 429s unless you
A) are working with reaction endpoints
B) are running requests outside of it's internal handler

placid ermine May 1, 2021, 2:13 PM

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green oriole May 1, 2021, 2:13 PM

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lol

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Those restarts were manual

vale ibex May 1, 2021, 2:16 PM

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yea, we're just ~~bullying~~ testing lancebot

deft patrol May 1, 2021, 2:19 PM

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oof

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 3:29 PM

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fervent sage Discord.py will never get 429s unless you A) are working with reaction endpoints...

C) Are working with channel names and topic.

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 3:56 PM

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I haven't gotten 429'd in dpy before 🤔 and I've spammed a lot of times, including reactions

gritty wind May 1, 2021, 4:14 PM

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If you want a quick path to rate limits, try renaming a channel

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Counting channels mean we can’t have nice things

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Somebody once thought they could rename a channel as a minute long countdown to something on Reddit

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That was a fail

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 4:43 PM

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I mean

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You can.

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You just need 5 different bot accounts.

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 4:44 PM

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gritty wind Counting channels mean we can’t have nice things

Wdym

fervent sage May 1, 2021, 4:44 PM

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fallen patrol C) Are working with channel names and topic.

shouldnt

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 4:44 PM

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I've gotten them before so

fervent sage May 1, 2021, 4:44 PM

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unless your bot is restarting a lot and losing its ratelimit states

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Would an unload and load of the cog that did the edits affect it?

fervent sage May 1, 2021, 4:44 PM

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nope

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Then idk what to tell you because it does get the 429s

fervent sage May 1, 2021, 4:46 PM

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i dont have enough time to explain how libs like d.py/corded do ratelimit handling, but at a high level each route has a bucket, when you send a request that bucket is locked until the request is over so you can only have one request per bucket concurrently, the headers are examines and if the remaining is 0 it sleeps until the reset-after time before unlocking the route

fallen patrol May 1, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Oh

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That actually might explain editing channels

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Since.... Not every parameter does cause a rate limit.

vocal prairie May 1, 2021, 4:49 PM

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fervent sage i dont have enough time to explain how libs like d.py/corded do ratelimit handli...

That makes sense

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Ah nice a tag speedrun

balmy sparrow May 1, 2021, 5:24 PM

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was there an issue for this blocking tag?

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this feels like it's written with the dpy audience in mind; and i'd still point them to the FAQ on blocking as it feels like a better explanation https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/faq.html#what-does-blocking-mean

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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This tag doesn't talk about blocking, even though it should

balmy sparrow May 1, 2021, 5:27 PM

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yeah pithink

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misleading name

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 6:41 PM

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You should probably mention the issue in the PR description instead of the other PR

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 10:28 PM

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balmy sparrow was there an issue for this blocking tag?

Previous user became inactive so I approved @clever wraith to take over.

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@sleek steppe noice bot#1556

dusky shoreBOT May 1, 2021, 10:31 PM

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GitHub

PRMerged feat: Use embed timestamp in modpings off

sleek steppe May 1, 2021, 10:31 PM

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thanks

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 11:07 PM

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@tough imp you're still planning on doing a full review of bot#836, correct? Just making sure that it'll eventually happen.

dusky shoreBOT May 1, 2021, 11:07 PM

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GitHub

PROpen Tags cog unit tests and tags cog fixes

tough imp May 1, 2021, 11:14 PM

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I will attempt tomorrow

vocal wolf May 1, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Thanks!

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 3:03 PM

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I've got an idea.

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The .bookmark command can have an argument "secret" so that when you invoke the command, your message gets deleted.

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:23 PM

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And maybe a unbookmark command?

patent pivot May 2, 2021, 3:23 PM

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I don't like that idea

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I think that relaying user messages permanently to user DMs is something that should definitely be public. I think if anything we should make it more visible that has happened.

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Unbookmark sounds alright, I'd be alright with that (we could implement with replies or message links)

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:24 PM

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~~Well, sometimes, the bookmark is not needed, so there is no need to keep it in the dm~~

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Ah ok

patent pivot May 2, 2021, 3:24 PM

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yeah sorry, was replying to the other one first 🙂

balmy sparrow May 2, 2021, 3:26 PM

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🤔 how would the command differentiate between normal bot replies in the DM and "bookmark" messages?

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:27 PM

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U specify the bookmark msg ID, which the bot had sent to you

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And we can match for embed title

patent pivot May 2, 2021, 3:27 PM

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balmy sparrow 🤔 how would the command differentiate between normal bot replies in the DM and ...

we know the structure of a bookmark embed, yea

balmy sparrow May 2, 2021, 3:28 PM

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🤔 honestly don't see the point, but if everyone wants it 🤷‍♂️

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:28 PM

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Sometimes, you need a bookmark anymore

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It is useless for you

balmy sparrow May 2, 2021, 3:29 PM

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i got that when you said it earlier, i just don't see it being a compelling enough reason

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but maybe that's because i don't use the command often

glass pecan May 2, 2021, 3:31 PM

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likely yeah. tbh though i'd be using the dm channels pins for tracking important bookmarks in that case instead, but I can also understand if people just want to remove it entirely from dms. each to their own.

patent pivot May 2, 2021, 3:31 PM

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I don't think it's particularly useful, but it's also not particularly harmful and not a large cost to add

glass pecan May 2, 2021, 3:31 PM

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ye

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 3:42 PM

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patent pivot I think that relaying user messages permanently to user DMs is something that sh...

ah 👍

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:42 PM

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Also sometimes, your dms clutter up with game messages, so it is hard to navigate through them, maybe we can have a solution for this too

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Yeah, and other games too

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 3:46 PM

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hmm.

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:46 PM

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That was for Ankith, he asked if I was referring to battleship, and deleted it

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 3:47 PM

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yeah thanks for announcing that 👍

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I was confused to whether the bot DM messages get deleted or not. I went to check and yeah, a lot of battleship gameplay messages there 😂

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since I remember the bot deleting its own message "x has played, now its your turn" "you missed" "you hit" (or smth i dont remember correctly)

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but my own messages aren't getting deleted. (the coordinates)

vocal prairie May 2, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Would anyone be willing to review this? It's a rather simple pr. https://github.com/python-discord/site/pull/476

green oriole May 2, 2021, 3:52 PM

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short snow Also sometimes, your dms clutter up with game messages, so it is hard to navigat...

Pining sounds like the right solution

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Yes, but pins have a limit right?

vocal prairie May 2, 2021, 3:54 PM

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50 max

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So for people who do the games a lot…

short snow May 2, 2021, 3:56 PM

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For the ppl who do bookmarking a lot ^

vocal prairie May 2, 2021, 3:58 PM

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I misunderstood what you were talking about, mb

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 4:09 PM

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there is a command to force change an ot name?

glass pecan May 2, 2021, 4:10 PM

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no

green oriole May 2, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Nope, but the admins have edit channel perms haha

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 4:12 PM

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hm.

short snow May 2, 2021, 4:16 PM

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vocal prairie I misunderstood what you were talking about, mb

Say you play battleship a lot, and you want to look at your bookmarks, currently there is no particular way to do this rather than just scrolling across the dm channel.

So what akarys suggested was to pin these bookmarks so we can view all of them together, but there is a limit to number of pins a channel can have so there is indirectly a limit to number of bookmarks too then

vocal prairie May 2, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Yeah I got it after

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I just thought you were talking about the results of the games rather than the bookmarks

short snow May 2, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Ah lol

balmy sparrow May 2, 2021, 4:28 PM

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patent pivot I think that relaying user messages permanently to user DMs is something that sh...

on this, right now the bot just silently ignores it if you try using the command in your DMs, shouldn't we make it guild-only?

gritty wind May 2, 2021, 4:41 PM

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https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/pull/603#discussion_r584463410

@fervent sage fight me

fervent sage May 2, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Sure mmLol

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British English on top!!

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 5:01 PM

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the bot doesn't make sense. I just did .wiki something and someone other than me was able to change pages by reacting with left and right and even trashcanned it and got it deleted. I thought that could be done only by the person who invoked the command?

vocal prairie May 2, 2021, 5:01 PM

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I think that anyone can do it on Lancebot (maybe)

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But not on Python

wise oriole May 2, 2021, 5:02 PM

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oh.

sleek steppe May 2, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Might just be for that command

vocal prairie May 2, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Does Lance have a centralized paginator like Python?

sleek steppe May 2, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Yes

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That didn't work

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https://www.github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/blob/main/bot%2Fexts%2Fevergreen%2Fwikipedia.py#L87-L89

vocal prairie May 2, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Sebastiaan did. Lemme find the link

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https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-actions-status-embed-for-discord

shut aspen May 2, 2021, 5:50 PM

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vocal prairie https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-actions-status-embed-for-discord

Aaaamd stealing that for my bot lol

short snow May 2, 2021, 11:59 PM

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django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Set the METRICITY_DB_URL environment variable

i get this error when i run pipenv run start, so i did export $(cat .env)

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but still doens't work

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# .env
DEBUG=1
LOG_LEVEL=INFO
DATABASE_URL=postgres://pysite@localhost/pysite
SECRET_KEY='q4LdTplNaG2RazKV-UkbK5GxSp82_EenlIMohZZ_sDU'

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:00 AM

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Dumb question, but did you set the METRICITY_DB_URL env var?

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:00 AM

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nope, wasn't mentioned in setup.md

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:01 AM

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What project is this?

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bot or site?

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:02 AM

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site, i think i got it, give a se

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vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:02 AM

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If it's site, then https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/site/#2-environment-variables mentions it

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Maybe setup.md isn't the most updated

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The guide on the website is better ig

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:11 AM

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works, but Database could not be found, exiting.

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:11 AM

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Are you doing it with Docker?

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:11 AM

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# .env
DATABASE_URL=postgres://pysite:pysite@localhost:7777/pysite
METRICITY_DB_URL=postgres://pysite:pysite@localhost:7777/metricity
DEBUG=1
SECRET_KEY='q4LdTplNaG2RazKV-UkbK5GxSp82_EenlIMohZZ_sDU'
STATIC_ROOT=staticfiles

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nope pipenv

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:11 AM

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So you're running it on the host?

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With a separate postgres database?

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:12 AM

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yes

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Ah, then idk.

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:12 AM

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and the db exits

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:12 AM

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I've only done it with Docker

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If the database is hosted locally i.e. on the same machine as the webserver, then use localhost for the host. Windows and macOS users may need to use the Docker host IP instead.

If the database is running in Docker, use port 7777. Otherwise, use 5432 as that is the default port used by PostegreSQL.

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You're using port 7777

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You should be using 5432

gritty wind May 3, 2021, 12:14 AM

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That wording is a bit confusing

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7777 is actually the correct port

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7777 is the port the docker image exposes to the host, so if you are running the DB using the DB's docker image, that's what you use

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Even if it's not dockerized? Jason is using a local db with no docker

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:14 AM

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dawn was right, 5432 works

gritty wind May 3, 2021, 12:15 AM

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5432 is the port if your DB is installed locally

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outside of docker (and our docker setup)

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Are you not using the compose's DB?

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:15 AM

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nope

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running locally

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django.db.utils.OperationalError: FATAL:  password authentication failed for user "pysite"
FATAL:  password authentication failed for user "pysite"
``` btw, this is what i get now

vocal prairie May 3, 2021, 12:16 AM

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short snow running locally

Why'd you decide not to use Docker?

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:17 AM

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docker is really slow when i start it, and if i keep it running 24/7, my system goes slow.

short snow May 3, 2021, 12:25 AM

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short snow ```py django.db.utils.OperationalError: FATAL: password authentication failed f...

i followed the steps mentioned in the guide

gritty wind May 3, 2021, 12:56 AM

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Well if you aren't using the pydis PG container

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It probably won't have the pydis password and table