dev-contrib

[patent pivot]

@fervent sage what would happen if we totally disable member cache

[gritty wind]

I've tested this smh

[patent pivot]

lol

what is the ansewr

[fervent sage]

er, im not too familiar with lancebot so i cant tell you what would be affected tbh

[gritty wind]

It's the cache. It keeps pulling old assets, and if discord deleted them, it 404s

I think you should find one from me in the logs

[patent pivot]

right, but this is weird because it should get a new user object on each message payload

but that doesn't invalidate the member cache

[gritty wind]

Does it? Seems like a discord bug then

But I would've thought it just gets basic user info

[fervent sage]

hang on

[gritty wind]

Haven't worked with the API before

[patent pivot]

Nah, it gets an avatar key

[fervent sage]

it should be updated by gateway user_update events

[fallen patrol]

gets the hash

[patent pivot]

yeah, but we have member intent disabled

[fallen patrol]

all that needs to be done is

well

[patent pivot]

that comes from cache

[fervent sage]

not member update

user_update

[fallen patrol]

[patent pivot]

hmmmm

[fallen patrol]

lemme turn of my member intent

[patent pivot]

do we get user update?

[gritty wind]

.int sockets when

[patent pivot]

hmmmmmmmmm

[fallen patrol]

link

[fervent sage]

https://ziad87.net/intents/

[fallen patrol]

i need that site for my own bot lol

[patent pivot]

well this is weird

[fallen patrol]

what part

[patent pivot]

why ctx.author is pointing to dead data when it should get new data in the msg object

[fallen patrol]

uh so

I turned off intents

and still get it

[patent pivot]

right, because it's in the message object

you'll always get a value, it's just whether that value is the correct one and is being updated with the latest information

[fallen patrol]

I made my intents none()

didn't turn on messages tho

aight so

with just message intents

you can get the pfp

[fervent sage]

technically the pfp should update from one of several places:

• user_update gateway events
• message_create and message_update gateway events
• voice_state_updates

why it isnt is beyond me

[fallen patrol]

also this is why im very interested in that eval command for black night, my eval command uses eval or exec depending on the length of the messages and everything

[patent pivot]

right but again, we can always get a profile picture, it's just whether the information is the latest

[fallen patrol]

yeah

ironically sir lancebot doesn't have an int e

so you can't get what it sees for my pfp

[gritty wind]

I mean, we do

It’s the result of the command

[patent pivot]

yeah, we have that info in sentry

test

{'type': 0, 'tts': False, 'timestamp': '2021-04-05T13:36:37.951000+00:00', 'referenced_message': None, 'pinned': False, 'nonce': '828624172270747648', 'mentions': [], 'mention_roles': [], 'mention_everyone': False, 'member': {'roles': ['267627879762755584', '267628507062992896', '277914926603829249', '267629731250176001', '267630620367257601', '295488872404484098', '323426753857191936', '409416496733880320', '463658397560995840', '491583790448246785', '585529568383860737', '587606783669829632', '764802720779337729', '797752289771126784', '807415650778742785', '721459198839357490'], 'premium_since': '2019-06-10T19:07:12.423000+00:00', 'pending': False, 'nick': None, 'mute': False, 'joined_at': '2017-01-10T17:41:35.518000+00:00', 'is_pending': False, 'hoisted_role': '267627879762755584', 'deaf': False, 'user': {'username': 'joe', 'id': 165023948638126080, 'avatar': '790115a90ca5f3ab6876c49354d63366', 'discriminator': '6000', 'bot': False}}, 'id': '828624173063733319', 'flags': 0, 'embeds': [], 'edited_timestamp': None, 'content': 'test', 'channel_id': '635950537262759947', 'author': {'username': 'joe', 'public_flags': 131842, 'id': '165023948638126080', 'discriminator': '6000', 'avatar': '790115a90ca5f3ab6876c49354d63366'}, 'attachments': [], 'guild_id': '267624335836053506'}

that's what lancebot is seeing for that above message

including the avatar key in the author property

[vocal prairie]

I wish you could just do cdn.discordapp.com/avatar/userid.

[patent pivot]

anyone want to change name or avatar lol

[vocal prairie]

I can.

[patent pivot]

i'm looking at the raw events lancebot is receiving now

[vocal prairie]

I changed it.

[fallen patrol]

i already changed pfp twice this hour iirc

[fallen patrol]

if joe agrees, run .8bitify in #sir-lancebot-playground

[gritty wind]

You can always do one more change

[patent pivot]

yeah okay, no USER_UPDATE events received (appreciate it!)

[gritty wind]

Delete your pfp

[patent pivot]

right, but I only started looking at events 3 minutes ago lol

[fallen patrol]

edge case ffs

[vocal prairie]

Should I run 8bitify?

[fallen patrol]

my point was i can't, ratelimits

not that im not willing

[patent pivot]

yeah you can try run it in #sir-lancebot-playground

[patent pivot]

so we're not getting the first event at all

[fervent sage]

huh...

[gritty wind]

Sounding kinda familiar

typing

[patent pivot]

I wonder if this is related to us not receiving any typing events

lol

yeah

[short snow]

what should be the name of the asset folder in quackstack?

[patent pivot]

time to head to ddevs

[short snow]

assets or duck-builder?

or something else

[fallen patrol]

i wonder

do you get them in the smaller guilds?

the bot test guild

if one were to type in it

what would happen

[gritty wind]

We get them on some of the bots here

Like modmail

But not python

[fallen patrol]

or if one who is in that server and sent a message, what would happen

[fallen patrol]

that's ironic af

[gritty wind]

That’s discord

[fallen patrol]

although arguably if someone is typing in dms with modmail and there's an open channel with that user.….

[gritty wind]

DM typings don’t work for python either

[fallen patrol]

well it'd be actually nice to paradoy the typing indicator

[gritty wind]

It does do that

[fallen patrol]

ohshit okay

[vocal prairie]

Would this be a d.py code problem, or a discord api issue?

[patent pivot]

we get them on all of them, just ot from this guild

DM typing works for lancebot

[gritty wind]

Yeah that’d what I meant

[fervent sage]

all else fails the ratelimit for GET /users/{user.id} is 30 per 30 which should be more than enough
'x-ratelimit-limit': '30', 'x-ratelimit-remaining': '29', 'x-ratelimit-reset': '1617630308.888', 'x-ratelimit-reset-after': '30.000'

[fallen patrol]

oh.

[gritty wind]

Where else do we have the bots lol

[fallen patrol]

so guild size probably

[fallen patrol]

the dev emoji server 😔

[gritty wind]

Modmail works with this guild size

[fallen patrol]

?src

?about

?code

uh

[gritty wind]

?about

[slow bone]

Modmail - About

This is an open source Discord bot that serves as a means for members to easily communicate with server administrators in an organised manner.

Uptime

11d 20h 48m 34s

Latency

117.44 ms

Version

3.9.1

Authors

kyb3r, Taki, fourjr

Hosting Method

OTHER

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A newer version is available v3.9.2. · Apr 5, 2021, 1:46 PM

[fallen patrol]

got it

lmao

[fallen patrol]

intents = discord.Intents.all()

[gritty wind]

That feels like it wouldn’t work for a command someone can spam

[fervent sage]

shouldnt things like that have cooldowns anyway though?

[gritty wind]

Unless that’s seconds

[fervent sage]

it is

[gritty wind]

Ah

Seems fine then

[vocal prairie]

Anytime after pfp changes, Lancebot is failing at 8bitify.

So the way it receives the event seems to be off.

[patent pivot]

We don't disable that anywhere

and I've validated with a local copy that we don't get those events at all on lancebot

[vocal prairie]

So does it seem like an API issue?

[patent pivot]

seems it

[gritty wind]

What is it with discord and missing API events here

Kinda weird lol

[fervent sage]

i could pr in a fix using get_user for the time being if wanted

[patent pivot]

test

hmmmm

okay so

i've enabled members intent on my local copy

let me change name on a alt

or wait

i can just uhh

yeah

no update events with or without members intent

[fervent sage]

should i do this in the meantime while the api is sad? code is super simple and ready

[patent pivot]

yeah, go for it

I need an eval command on lancebot to get the session ID lol

wait no I don't

[short snow]

@fervent sage ^

@crude gyro Where should the the masks go? they weren't specified in your layout

oh nvm got it

you mentioned to get rid of it

[fervent sage]

aight, sir-lancebot#657

[dusky shore]

GitHub

[sir-lancebot] #657 fix: use get_user in 8bitify to avoid events issues

[fallen patrol]

uhm

its not just that command

i'd just

not make a fix

until sir-lancebot#597

[dusky shore]

GitHub

[sir-lancebot] #597 Move pfp commands into executors

[short snow]

hmm, after moving the assets to quackstack, pycharm is automatically closing whenever i open it

[patent pivot]

added a comment on https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/issues/2655

[fallen patrol]

So this guild is not blocked from getting typing events, but it is quite large and is on a newer internal infrastructure for large guilds
aka gets beta features early

[vocal prairie]

It says internal.

[patent pivot]

that was relays, yeah

[vocal prairie]

Internal means on their side, not ours, right?

[patent pivot]

yeah

[fallen patrol]

^

[patent pivot]

we knew it was active, but it was transparent to us

[fervent sage]

sharded guilds when

cough, wallstreetbets

[fallen patrol]

knew what

[fallen patrol]

sharded bots when

[patent pivot]

that we were on the new backend

[fallen patrol]

oh wait.

how?

[patent pivot]

lol

[fallen patrol]

how did you know

did they tell you internally?

[patent pivot]

& yeah I spoke with the eng who implemented that feature

[fallen patrol]

what is relay enabled

[patent pivot]

but it's fully transparent to users and bots

[fervent sage]

has relay enabled lol

relay being the 'new guild infra'

[fallen patrol]

oh okay understandable have a great day

[patent pivot]

relay is the new backend for scaling, the intricacies are fairly unknown yeah

[fallen patrol]

ah

so servers can go past 700k members

[fervent sage]

i'd assume from the name it means relaying events between gateway servers until it finds the correct client so you dont need 150k people connected to one gateway

[fallen patrol]

hey joe, did this server ever hit a member limit?

[vocal prairie]

The member limit is 730K, isn't it?

[fallen patrol]

and needed to be raised by discord

[fallen patrol]

went up then, used to be 700k

discord.gg/innersloth

OH DAMN DID IT GO DOWN

that used to be 700k

now its 500k

[green oriole]

The only thing I know about RELAY_ENABLED is that #mod-log choke on it on every guild edit

[fervent sage]

innersloth was never raised above 500k

[patent pivot]

it was

[fallen patrol]

wdym what happens

[patent pivot]

innersloth was at 700k lol

[fervent sage]

oh

huh

[patent pivot]

i was the guy that kicked the members hahahahahaha

[fervent sage]

lol

[cold moon]

Servers with millions of members when?

[fallen patrol]

you're a mod there?

[patent pivot]

contractor

[gritty wind]

When you pay for better infra yourself

[fallen patrol]

how did you get to kick 200k members lmao

[vocal prairie]

Once Discord adds Bypass Slowmode permissions.

[patent pivot]

yes, a few times

[green oriole]

It always think that this flag has been added or removed

[patent pivot]

because they asked lol

[green oriole]

Presence limits were fun

[fallen patrol]

the suppress embed thing?

[fervent sage]

there are issues™️ with superlarge guild scaling which believe me i'd love to get into but i could waste hours talking about it

[green oriole]

Do an at-everyone and the guild goes down

[fallen patrol]

which arguably I wish that non bots could unsuppress embeds

[fervent sage]

client setting for allowed mentions when

[fallen patrol]

heck, access to allowed mentions on a user account would be nice too

Yeah

[green oriole]

#mod-log is doing some weird stuff with feature flags

[cold moon]

I hope if Microsoft buy Discord we can get guilds with millions of members

[patent pivot]

innersloth was at 730k, just checked

[patent pivot]

as a mod: would rather not

[fallen patrol]

i hope they bring a lot of bot features to user accounts

[green oriole]

Yeah uuuhhh

millions of people in one server

not good

[fallen patrol]

its okay you don't have to mod all of them

[cold moon]

If server have millions of members, then channel-specific moderators is required

[fervent sage]

there are so many issues with superlarge guilds, but one of the main ones excluding infrastructural limits is that moderating them would be awful

[fallen patrol]

being able to manage allowed mentions for ourselves would be fricking nice

[patent pivot]

lul

[cold moon]

Just hire 1000 moderators and assign all of them to one specific channel

[placid ermine]

lmfao

[fervent sage]

i moderated wallstreebets for a brief time and with 400k members that was awful

with only boosters allowed to talk

[fallen patrol]

holy shit

[patent pivot]

took a couple of days

[placid ermine]

during the whatever-the-fuck-happened-in-january period?

[vocal prairie]

So we just need to wait for Discord to do its thing?

And hopefully tell us stuff?

[fervent sage]

mhm

[placid ermine]

ouch

[fallen patrol]

why did you not use the discord purge feature which doesn't ratelimit as much afaik

[fervent sage]

it was... interesting to say the least

[vocal prairie]

Prune?

[fallen patrol]

yeah

[patent pivot]

because that wasn't what I was told to do lol

[fallen patrol]

ah

[patent pivot]

the accounts we kicked were active on discord, but not on the innersloth server

purging was not going to be the solution

[fallen patrol]

ah

fwiw at that point

that's when id create a second or third bot account

and set them all up on the same client 😂

brb reading tos

[patent pivot]

It was fine leaving it for a few days

I think we did batches of 30k/day

Discord were the ones that connected myself and Innersloth, so they knew it was happening

[fallen patrol]

ah

damn

v cool

[patent pivot]

we didn't want to kick everyone out at the same time as well because that would be hell for the mods

[vocal prairie]

Did you kick random people, or just the inactive ones?

[fallen patrol]

why?

[thorny obsidian]

Just everyone ping that you'll be kicking :) what could go wrong :)

[fervent sage]

or better still

[patent pivot]

because as soon as we freed up space, new, active accounts joined, and that put more pressure on mods

[fervent sage]

mass dm them

[patent pivot]

inactive ones

[remote wigeon]

better discord

yes

[fallen patrol]

tos has entered the chat

[patent pivot]

was a fun time building a bot that could handle that guild

we're doing more soon

[thorny obsidian]

With the increased infra, could I possibly bring up re-enabling member intents for lance?

[green oriole]

bulk delete but for sending DMs, what could go wrong

[patent pivot]

With what purpose?

[fallen patrol]

why would it need to be enabled? it does everything just fine

[green oriole]

Yikes, the issues cog on lance is pretty broken

[thorny obsidian]

Some of the current functionality was built around member intents being enavled

[gritty wind]

We did rip out some features

[thorny obsidian]

Like the lovefest stuff was a bit broken without it

[gritty wind]

Hit really hard last February for valentines

[green oriole]

Oh I see why it is like that

[patent pivot]

Yeah, Lovefest did get pretty broken

[short snow]

https://gist.github.com/66e1a19a10dbba69955551bff31528a9 What do you think about this?

[fervent sage]

does it require the member cache to be populated or just being able to do member stuff? if it doesnt require the cache to be saturated fully then we could just not request the members on start

[short snow]

is it a good readme for the duck builder directory?

[patent pivot]

requires cache, because it picked a random member

[fervent sage]

ah

[thorny obsidian]

:3 lance is my fave cause events so I'd be happy to champion it and actually write up some good reasoning

[fallen patrol]

then why were they disabled?

[fervent sage]

realistically 170k members shouldnt be too hard for a bot to handle

[thorny obsidian]

Because it wasn't necessary and we were stressing our previous infra

[fervent sage]

gtao's bot deals with ~300k in a few seconds on start and is fine

[thorny obsidian]

We run several services and dropping member and precense intents dropped CPU usage like 10%

[fallen patrol]

[vocal prairie]

How many active members does this server have?

[gritty wind]

Joe the stat man to the rescue

[thorny obsidian]

@patent pivot do you have that awesome graph thing from when presence and member intents was disabled?

[fallen patrol]

stats.pydis.com

[vocal prairie]

I had no idea that existed.

Thanks!

[thorny obsidian]

There's even an api! Check the pins in #community-meta

[vocal prairie]

That doesn't have anything about active members. Are there any numbers on that?

[patent pivot]

hmmm

hmmmm

[gritty wind]

I feel like we’ve been infiltrated

[patent pivot]

wait o

id eleted mesages

[gritty wind]

Lol

[thorny obsidian]

-_- joe I was like half a second from warning because I thought it was a troll

[patent pivot]

lol

[gritty wind]

Hahaha get an alt banned to pump up your mod stats 👀

[mortal turtle]

i'm testing if we are on relays

apparently the RELAY_ENABLED flag might not be entirely tied to it

[fallen patrol]

im gonna say that i don't find this graph too interesting, is it possible to make this in comparison of how many help channels there are instead? Or possibly based on the member count, but I think it'd be nicer to see how many help channels existed at a specific time as well.

Short sum: update this with a line of how many existed at each time.

[green oriole]

Joe has like 10 alts

[vocal prairie]

Oh wait, that's Joe?

[fervent sage]

if the concern is long starting times which used to be an issue a while ago, that should no longer be an issue

[green oriole]

Everyone is joe

[sleek steppe]

Where did the devops role go

[mortal turtle]

yeah, i have 3 alts for when I wrote https://dis.gd/dma103

[vale ibex]

No, I'm Joe

[fallen patrol]

bruh lol

hide your embeds

[vocal prairie]

Joe has devops lead.

[fallen patrol]

OH THAT'S WHY ALL OF THE SCREENSHOTS ARE LIGHT

[patent pivot]

don't tell me how to use my embeds lol

[patent pivot]

that was for readability

lol

[fervent sage]

im still procrastinating on dma421

[patent pivot]

i have a uhhh

4XX one yeah

on children

lol

[gritty wind]

Why didn’t you get 420 😔

[patent pivot]

yeah vco

[fervent sage]

hang on

[patent pivot]

why didn't you get 420

[fervent sage]

420 isnt taken

ok

420

[patent pivot]

LOL

[placid ermine]

bruh

[fervent sage]

DMA420: Making custom bots for your community

[gritty wind]

Lmao

[vocal prairie]

How does Discord even assign people to these?

[thorny obsidian]

LMAO, also vco your bot guide is like half the reason the duckify command happened at all in time

[fervent sage]

the google doc has been officially corrected

[mortal turtle]

guess who's back

back again

[patent pivot]

!kick @mortal turtle nerd

[stable mountain]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied kick to @mortal turtle permanently.

[placid ermine]

bruh

[whole forge]

what?

[green oriole]

lmao

[placid ermine]

||it's joe's alt||

[patent pivot]

alt account

yeah

[whole forge]

nerd

[sleek steppe]

Kicked permanently

[patent pivot]

testing if we are on relays by seeing if event dispatches are received immediately

[green oriole]

inb4 joe kicks every devops member to be the only devops remaining

[fervent sage]

he cant be a devops daddy if there are no devops children though

[whole forge]

good point

[fallen patrol]

bruh what

why

[green oriole]

hmm true

[fallen patrol]

permanent kick is basically a ban

unless

you made it so whenever it rejoined it'd be kicked again

[green oriole]

It isn't lol

It is just a kick

[fallen patrol]

permanently kicked akarys

shit, he rejoined. kicked again

[vocal prairie]

But the wording could be better.

[green oriole]

Oh

I see

[sleek steppe]

How do you kick permanently tho

[green oriole]

LMAO

That's golden

[fervent sage]

time for my 3rd pr of the day cracks knuckles

[green oriole]

!otn a applied-kick-permanently

[stable mountain]

:ok_hand: Added applied-kick-permanently to the names list.

[fallen patrol]

i want to make a otn embed thing

so at every morning an embed with a link to where it was started and by who

[green oriole]

We wanted to do that

[fallen patrol]

if in a staff channel, only disclose who made it

[green oriole]

but sadly we don't have the information for the older otns

[fallen patrol]

sad

[fallen patrol]

DROP table otn

does it collect info now?

[thorny obsidian]

We have most of the context. The one ones were really just volccy turbo adding them

[green oriole]

Also some channels were reset

Unless the history has been saved, it is probably impossible to get back

[vocal prairie]

How many days of otns do you have on average at any given time?

[green oriole]

!otn list

[vocal prairie]

Dang.

[green oriole]

Only a year worth of

[patent pivot]

NO LEAKIN

[thorny obsidian]

But part of the charm is not having the context available imo

[patent pivot]

ILLEGAL

[green oriole]

lol that's the first otns

[patent pivot]

we should ban them outside of mods really

[fervent sage]

the lack of context is what makes them great

[patent pivot]

we should ban them outside of mods really

[fallen patrol]

ffs no

don't

you

[green oriole]

We can do that

[fallen patrol]

dare

[patent pivot]

???

lo

[green oriole]

only !otn list

[patent pivot]

we already have a policy in place

[fallen patrol]

I mean i have no control but

[patent pivot]

to not search or list

[fervent sage]

can helpers otn a?

[patent pivot]

uhhh

try it lol

[green oriole]

nop

[fallen patrol]

no

[patent pivot]

don't think so

[fallen patrol]

but

[fervent sage]

[fallen patrol]

!otn a can helpers otn a

try it

[fervent sage]

!otn a helpers cant otn a

[vale ibex]

Helpers can list via the site iirc

[stable mountain]

:ok_hand: Added helpers-cant-otn-a to the names list.

[short snow]

do we want to svgs of ducky/accessories/outfits @fervent sage ? If yes, then it currently fails on

filename.stem: Image.open(filename) for filename in (ASSETS_PATH / "ducky/accessories/outfits").iterdir()

so should i modify it to only list the files in the directory and not he sub directories

[fallen patrol]

apparently works, @fervent sage

[vocal prairie]

Didn't Akarys do that?

[fervent sage]

[fallen patrol]

no ofc not

[vocal prairie]

Or am I blind?

[vale ibex]

Who's akarys? 🤷‍♂️

[thorny obsidian]

He did, not quite fast enough on the delete

[fallen patrol]

yes, akarys didn't do it and then delete his message at all.

[green oriole]

who is this dumbass of akarys?

[fervent sage]

er i'm not sure what's happening regarding svg stuff, that's more lemon's area of expertise

[fallen patrol]

woooosh

[green oriole]

My brain isn't big enough

[short snow]

cc: @crude gyro , so sorry for the ping, but could you please let me know what to do here?

[timid sentinel]

this can be closed, right? https://github.com/python-discord/bot/issues/1295

[fallen patrol]

i mean

[timid sentinel]

closed by this https://github.com/python-discord/bot/pull/1287

[fallen patrol]

it never got updated

[fallen patrol]

no?

[timid sentinel]

ignore me lol

yeah

[fallen patrol]

dormant != available

[timid sentinel]

I confused myself, myb

[sleek steppe]

Lol

[crude gyro]

isn't that just the svg for the glasses? Fuck it, just get rid of it. We'll make a full set of accessory svgs someday.

[short snow]

Ok 👌🏻

[vale ibex]

@fervent sage Do you mind if we move sir-lancebot#657 into sir-lancebot#597?

[dusky shore]

GitHub

[sir-lancebot] #657 fix: use get_user in 8bitify to avoid events issues
[sir-lancebot] #597 Move pfp commands into executors

[vale ibex]

I imagine the issue you fixed will be the same for all the pfp modifying commands

[fervent sage]

yeah sure

[vale ibex]

597 moves them all into the same cog, so can just be a helper function

[patent pivot]

i have DM'd a discord eng so

we'll see if we have news there

i have DM'd a discord eng so

[brazen charm]

Are there any plans for improving logging on the bots? During local development I don't find the difference between the debug and trace levels very useful, with traces from some modules being somewhat spammy. Creating some sort of interface to selectively enable the trace logging on modules would allow for more verbose trace logs along while keeping the logs clean with only the logs of relevant modules going through

[patent pivot]

We are discussing removing trace logging entirely. The goal of trace logging was to be almost a print substitute locally and it shouldn't enter VCS tracked code but we didn't codify that anywhere.

[brazen charm]

I think they are useful for things like the codeblock cog logs which are probably the most noticeable when running Python as they trigger on every message, but with them being logged always it just creates noise

[cold moon]

What is difference between trace and debug?

[patent pivot]

going by our definition:

[tawdry vapor]

I share similar sentiments to Numerlor

I disagree with completely removing the trace logs from the code

They have been useful for me when working on/debugging certain features.

However, most of them are not useful to always be enabled.

[patent pivot]

hmmm

[tawdry vapor]

I already had the thought brewing that they should be all off by default and have a way to easily enable them for certain features when as needed.

[patent pivot]

having a delve through the code, yeah, I think I agree

I don't think that'd be too hard to achieve

[tawdry vapor]

As for whether we should merge trace and debug levels, the jury is still out.

[patent pivot]

comma separated list in env var of the loggers you want to have trace logging, or something along those lines?

[cold moon]

Maybe we should do something like Rust envlogger

[tawdry vapor]

Debug is like... stuff that's only useful for debugging but that we would want to see in production to help us reproduce issues.

[cold moon]

For this is info I think?

[tawdry vapor]

But sometimes I feel like issues are so difficult to reproduce on the bot so having trace logs in production can have value.

info and debug have semantic differences. debug is for debugging only.

info just generally describes what's going on

[clever wraith]

Hey @vale ibex this is late but congrats on making core dev!

[vale ibex]

Thanks 😄

[clever wraith]

I never read the dev announcements when they come out...

[vocal prairie]

Yes, of course!

[gritty wind]

Yeah, most of our projects are MIT licensed

Rules of the license are here

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/main/LICENSE

[vale ibex]

https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/pull/597/commits/2ad7b496c742d275d717b2de410caebdbeaa50d4

[fervent sage]

should i close the pr i made for it

[vocal wolf]

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/issues/1469

@green oriole are you planning on doing this?

[vale ibex]

Hmm, I'm not sure, my PR is quite big and still needs 2 core dev reviews, so might be a while until it's merged

[green oriole]

I wasn't, but if needed I don't mind

[vocal prairie]

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/pull/1234 This pr is up for grabs, if anyone wants to take it.

[short snow]

I have a comment on that

[vocal prairie]

Yeah, I saw. But the pr still exists.

[fallen patrol]

understandable discord have a good day

(||Doesn't look like anything to me||)

[vocal prairie]

It's strange.

Default is deprecated.

[fallen patrol]

and v7?

is just --

[fervent sage]

better for the api to err on the side of caution for libs that may not have updated to v8 rather than switch and break something before v6 is beyond deprecated

[fallen patrol]

yeah

bruh

how to

[clever wraith]

Guys

i have a question

[fallen patrol]

how to read image data from an avatar request like what

[clever wraith]

is it possible convert a png to svgData ?

[fallen patrol]

trying to see if i can repl the sir lancebot bug and well, i can't read image data

[clever wraith]

if so how

please help

[fallen patrol]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[clever wraith]

thanks

[vocal prairie]

Isn't Kubernetes deprecating its support for Docker?

[gritty wind]

Yes - but not in the way you’d think with docker containers like what we use

It’s in the internals of kube, and how it handles things, this won’t affect most prople

[vocal prairie]

Oh, so it won't change the way PyDis does stuff?

[thorny obsidian]

Docker Engine, but not docker images is the tl;dr, right?

[gritty wind]

No

Yeah container runtime

Kube released a write up on it

I’ll see if I can dig it up

https://kubernetes.io/blog/2020/12/02/dont-panic-kubernetes-and-docker/

TLDR on the first line

[vocal prairie]

So docker images still work, but the runtime won't?

[green oriole]

AFAIK we already made the switch

No idea what the difference is though

But it is done, we are all good

[thorny obsidian]

(docker engine is traaaaaaaaaaaash anyway... totally not bitter still about it crashing a dozen times for no reason during setup for something internal.... totally not >_>)

[gritty wind]

Basically it’s the way it runs the actual container

Idk if docker engine is necessarily connected

[vocal prairie]

I see, makes sense.

[gritty wind]

Possibly is

[green oriole]

Basically, there are tools to build a container and tools to run containers

[fervent sage]

tl;dr k8s deprecated support for docker's runtime because it kinda sucks and because docker images are compatible with some format they work on other standard runtimes anyway

[green oriole]

We use docker to build, containerd to run iirc

[gritty wind]

The write up above is aimed at people that know docker, but don’t know what the hell runtimes and all the underlying BS is

Like me

Check it out for a better explanation than a 10 word TL;DR

[vocal prairie]

Understood, ty

[fallen patrol]

You see, the thing we call “Docker” isn’t actually one thing—it’s an entire tech stack, and one part of it is a thing called “containerd,” which is a high-level container runtime by itself.

so uh

you mind explaining that a little farther, akarys

[green oriole]

So containers are stacks and stacks of tools and standards

Docker is both a container builder, which will create a standard container file using the Dockerfile system, and a runtime, DockerRT (or something like that) which can take those standard containers are run them

The cool thing about this standard is that you can put any builder with any runtime

You may build with a rudimentary tool and use Docker for the runtime, or in our case build with Docker and run with containerd (or runc)

[patent pivot]

we didn't make the switch yet, Linode will make the switch (probably to containerd)

it's deprecated in our version of k8s but not removed

we're on uhh

1.20

but it will be a seamless transition most likely

the only notable change we'll have to make is switching from packageauthor/publisher:1.2.3 to docker.io/packageauthor/publisher:1.2.3

docker images are CRI compliant and that is good and nice

[dusky rose]

Please take back !ask

[brazen charm]

Should I make an issue for this somewhere so it can be tracked?

[patent pivot]

We removed the !ask tag because of the frequency which it was used in a hostile manner to target individuals, and the wording of it was particularly abrasive. Most of what the !ask tag said can be reciprocated in nicer, more personable, ways.

[patent pivot]

That sounds like a plan, yeah

[tawdry vapor]

Yeah and feel free to copy+paste my messages about it into the issue

If not I will get around to commenting later

[green oriole]

Alright cool

[green oriole]

I wanted to make an issue about making a !ext-like command to change logging level at runtime, but I may have totally forgot about it

Adding it to my task list

[tawdry vapor]

Don't think it needs to be runtime-configurable

As far as I am concerned, it already is anyway since we can unload extensions and chances are if you don't want trace logs from it you don't even need it to be loaded at all.

Few exceptions maybe, but whatever.

[patent pivot]

I was thinking an env var something like ```bash
$ BOT_TRACE_LOGGERS=bot.exts.help_channels._cog,bot.exts.utils.snekbox pipenv run start

[brazen charm]

I was thinking of an arg or env var, switching it at runtime doesn't sound that necessary although it shouldn't be complex

[tawdry vapor]

Config system supports env vars so we can chuck it in there

[green oriole]

We already needed to switch log level at runtime in the past, we tried to use int e but it didn't work

[gritty wind]

I think every time we tested it, we tried it with things that didn’t have any logs at all lmao

But yeah a command would be 10000 times better

[brazen charm]

It should just be a matter of getting the logger and setting its level

[tawdry vapor]

I never needed to change level at runtime 🤔

[gritty wind]

If we can change it without restarting the bot that would be a nice time save, but ultimately as long as we don’t have to make changes to the repo or something, anything would be an improvement

[green oriole]

It is just a small QoL thing, nothing too major

By the way @tawdry vapor I don't know if you seen it but I addressed most of your comments in smartconfig

[tawdry vapor]

Yes

[brazen charm]

I'm curious, what exactly didn't work there?

[fallen patrol]

root = logging.getLogger()  # root
root.setLevel(logging.TRACE)

yea.….

logging.getLogger().setLevel(5)

should totally work

[cosmic moat]

@celest charm https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/pull/586#discussion_r576466175 what was our reasoning for this, again?

seems like it's a bit more intuitive to leave the response code checks where they are imo

[celest charm]

If the YouTube API responds in an unexpected way or doesn't even respond, it's not something the command logic (the thing you're implementing) can handle

The bot will tell the user that something went wrong anyway, right?

[swift flower]

hi

[fallen patrol]

did you install discord or discord.py

i assume discord.py

so

check what version

!d discord.Intents

[stable mountain]

`discord.Intents`

class discord.Intents(**kwargs)```
Wraps up a Discord gateway intent flag.

Similar to [`Permissions`](#discord.Permissions "discord.Permissions"), the properties provided are two way. You can set and retrieve individual bits using the properties as if they were regular bools.

To construct an object you can pass keyword arguments denoting the flags to enable or disable.

This is used to disable certain gateway features that are unnecessary to run your bot. To make use of this, it is passed to the `intents` keyword argument of [`Client`](#discord.Client "discord.Client").

New in version 1.5.

`x == y` Checks if two flags are equal.

`x != y` Checks if two flags are not equal.

`hash(x)` Return the flag’s hash.

`iter(x)` Returns an iterator of `(name, value)` pairs. This allows it to be, for example, constructed as a dict or a list of pairs.

`value` The raw value. You should query flags via the properties rather than using this raw value.... [read more](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Intents)

[swift flower]

how do i check?

[fallen patrol]

but also that's fucking weird so @patent pivot wtf

[patent pivot]

?

[fallen patrol]

it should install through the docker container right

[swift flower]

i have latest versions of discord.py installed

[patent pivot]

did you use docker

[swift flower]

i git cloned it

[patent pivot]

we don't use that

we use pipenv

[swift flower]

there's no requirements

[patent pivot]

yeah, do you have pipenv installed?

[swift flower]

idk how to use pipenv joe

:(

[fallen patrol]

nor does joe

[patent pivot]

pip install pipenv and then pipenv sync should be enough

[swift flower]

i'll try it now

whats sentry dsn

ugh same error still :/

AttributeError: module 'discord' has no attribute 'Intents'

[fallen patrol]

fwiw are you trying to set up the bot to contribute or to use as your own bot?

[swift flower]

i'm going to contribute

if i can get it working lol 🤣

[patent pivot]

hmm

what did you run to get that error

[short snow]

@fervent sage why are we not using the same approach with make_color and make_colors in ducky generator?

[fervent sage]

uhhh got a code link?

[short snow]

https://github.com/python-discord/aaaaAAAA/blob/main/aaaaAAAA/procedural_duckies.py this and

https://github.com/python-discord/quackstack/blob/main/src/generator.py

[swift flower]

i did python3 -m bot @patent pivot

[patent pivot]

you need to run with pipenv

pipenv run start

you'll need to have site running as well in order to contribute to the bot

[fervent sage]

oh, difference there was probably because i was accomodating for the fact that users can request specific colours through the api, and it's easier for people to work with rgb rather than hsl, where computers dont really care when its random

[swift flower]

god damn it lol

Error: the command start could not be found within PATH or Pipfile's [scripts].

[short snow]

ok, so i will do the same on man duckies

[patent pivot]

for random duckies I'm tempted to say we should go with colorsys hsv/hsl because it gets nicer colours

not removing support for rgb, but using hsv/hsl for our randomness

[fervent sage]

i dont really understand hsl, but i'll make a request issue for it

[swift flower]

colour ;)

[fervent sage]

yes i like to spell correctly

[patent pivot]

okay so

imagine we have a point on that circle

[swift flower]

apparently i dont have the discord module installed but i do

[patent pivot]

H = hue, degree on that circle
S = saturation, distance from the center
V = value, brightness of the colour

we probably want HSV

[fervent sage]

quackstack#26

[patent pivot]

ah wait i've found a great graphic

[fervent sage]

oh :(

[fervent sage]

https://github.com/python-discord/quackstack/issues/26

[fallen patrol]

courrectly

[fallen patrol]

source?

I'm in lighting design and would love to see the rest

[swift flower]

has this server got any stage channels

[fallen patrol]

https://discord.new/zmHtscpYN9E3

[thorny obsidian]

We tested it a bit. I have plans to use a stage channel for an upcoming thingy

[fallen patrol]

there's a test server

[patent pivot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSL_and_HSV

[swift flower]

@patent pivot is there a way to install all of the requirements with pipenv

[patent pivot]

not easily

[fallen patrol]

fyi the bots will probably need to run discord.py 1.7 to properly use stage channels without throwing errors

[patent pivot]

docker I guess

[fallen patrol]

pipenv sync

[patent pivot]

we don't need the bots to use stage channels, ever really

[fervent sage]

on the plus side

at least discord.py doesnt crash with unknown channel types

cough eris

[patent pivot]

lol

true

[fallen patrol]

look, if you're logging channels, it does have the unknown channel types

so uh, it will probably throw errors

[fervent sage]

i managed to crash zep the other week by making one on gtao lol

[patent pivot]

we're not lul

[fallen patrol]

i can't say how well the bot is coded

[patent pivot]

we tend to check like

[fallen patrol]

but i tried to get a channel object with my bot and errors galore

[thorny obsidian]

I don't think we'll -- what joe said

[patent pivot]

"is text channel" rather than "is not voice channel" for those sorts of things

we'll figure it out soon enough if things do break

[fervent sage]

if youre not explicitly interacting with stage channels below d.py 1.7 you'll have no issues

[fallen patrol]

what version are you on rn

[patent pivot]

!int e import("discord").version_info

[stable mountain]

In [1]: __import__("discord").version_info
Out[1]: VersionInfo(major=1, minor=6, micro=0, releaselevel='final', serial=0)```

[fallen patrol]

ah

[patent pivot]

we'll bump at some point

it's not urgent

[fallen patrol]

wait

does the int e command work as a repl session

like

if you were to set a variable in the first command

[short snow]

ducky man!

boom, it works

[fallen patrol]

could you access it in the second command?

[fervent sage]

Nice!

[patent pivot]

don't think we do that, no

[swift flower]

do you host the python bot from just one server? @patent pivot

[fervent sage]

k8s right?

[patent pivot]

the python bot itself runs on a single server at one time, yes, but the actual cluster of nodes powering all of our services (bot, site, lancebot, quackstack, etc.) consists of three physical servers

[short snow]

i have checked out from the relayout branch, so that I can use the new layout, so should i wait for it get merged or pr it anyway

[swift flower]

ah

ImportError: cannot import name 'api' from partially initialized module 'bot' (most likely due to a circular import) (/root/bot/bot/bot.py)

🥲

[fervent sage]

@patent pivot am i good to do things like merge on quackstack since im fairly familiar with it just wanna be sure

[patent pivot]

in terms of are you allowed to

yes

in terms of can you

idk i haven't checked the perms lol

[patent pivot]

go for it

the review policy says that anyone in the pydis org can leave an approving review iirc

[fervent sage]

aight, layout is merged

[patent pivot]

yeah https://policy-bot.pythondiscord.com/details/python-discord/quackstack/25

[short snow]

i will pr it within an hour, just need to double check

and improve code

[short snow]

currently it is just a copyish of the aaaAAAA

[cosmic moat]

ah i see

[patent pivot]

providing it's not devops staff approvals are

[fervent sage]

i really need to familiarise myself with devops, actions, and pr checks way more

[patent pivot]

most of it is all done for you, policy bot won't let you merge a devops PR unless it gets a devops approval

like this

did we set up auto-deploy on quackstack yet

[fervent sage]

last few weeks of contributing to pydis stuff has been really fun tbh, it's nice to be working with other people on stuff, 99% of my stuff is open source but mostly limited to just me

[fervent sage]

dont think so

[short snow]

also what is the url for quakstack?

[patent pivot]

lol it appears so

[short snow]

ducks.pythondiscord.com?

[fervent sage]

quackstack.pythondiscord.com

[short snow]

ok

[patent pivot]

those names are annoying lol

[cosmic moat]

also, what's the pipenv command for installing the dev environment?

[patent pivot]

pipenv sync --dev

[cosmic moat]

thanks

[patent pivot]

i might PR names going back to normal lol

[fervent sage]

yeah, im all for ducks everywhere but ci/cd stuff is not included in said everywhere

[patent pivot]

lul

[short snow]

lol

pr made btw

https://github.com/python-discord/quackstack/issues/2 close this issue

[fervent sage]

yes

[short snow]

lol, even that was my first generated ducky

[gritty wind]

You’re running from the wrong directory. Make sure you run pipenv start from the folder that has the Pipfile (go one directory up basically)

Did you see the getting started guide?

[green oriole]

This int e snippet

import logging

logging.getLogger("bot.exts.backend.sync._syncers").setLevel(logging.TRACE)```No idea why though, I haven't investigated it

[green oriole]

I hate precommit

[swift flower]

where is the getting started guide? @gritty wind

[vale ibex]

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/

Each of the repositories has their own specific setup guide too, if you click on the title in the cards on that page

[swift flower]

is sentry dsn a requirement to run the bot

[vale ibex]

Nope, only if you want to test/make changes to sentry 🙂

[swift flower]

what's that?

[vale ibex]

https://sentry.io/welcome/

it's a service that you can post errors to

[swift flower]

ah

[vale ibex]

and it groups errors together and gives useful info on them

[swift flower]

is it automatic

[gritty wind]

automatic in what sense? I don't think anyone uses it in development

[vale ibex]

Not quite, we have a cog that listens for errors and pushes it to sentry

[swift flower]

where is the "getting started" guide?

[vocal prairie]

Click the name of whatever project here: https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/

Whether that's Sir Lancebot, Python, or the website.

[swift flower]

i get stuck with this part

[vocal prairie]

What's the issue with that?

Is there a certain part you're stuck on?

[swift flower]

i don't see guild.id in the config file

[gritty wind]

look for a guild category

and in that is an ID item

[swift flower]

i did a search for "guild.id" and there was no results

[gritty wind]

line 134

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/main/config-default.yml#L134

[swift flower]

ah

[gritty wind]

It isn't guild.id

[vocal prairie]

YAML uses the thing before the dot as the category, and the id as the item.

[gritty wind]

it's the id item under the guild category

[swift flower]

it makes sense now

why i couldnt find it

[gritty wind]

same goes for urls

[swift flower]

now i just need to somehow set up the webserver and figure out what redis is

[gritty wind]

you can skip redis

but for the server

[vocal prairie]

But if you're curious: https://redis.io

[gritty wind]

you're best of following the instructions in the linked guide

[swift flower]

it gives me an error for redis when i run it

[sleek steppe]

use_fakeredis: true

[gritty wind]

Yup you probably don't have redis installed, or setup locally

[sleek steppe]

or is it no use

[gritty wind]

You can use fake redis yeah

It just pretends to be redis, but does everything in memory

fake redis is on line 18 in the config

[swift flower]

ok i set it to true

[gritty wind]

for the site, do you have docker locally?

[swift flower]

i dont think its installed no

[gritty wind]

That would make setup much simpler, but either way, you can clone the site repo and follow the setup guide here
https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/site/

The API is a requirement of the bot project

[swift flower]

Okay

[short snow]

are you running everything with docker?

[swift flower]

i was using pipenv

[short snow]

for?

[swift flower]

but to start the containers i am missing .env

[vocal prairie]

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/site/#2-environment-variables

This section ^

[short snow]

it is taking config.yml

not env variables

iirc

[vocal prairie]

No, there are env vars.

[short snow]

oh wait, you are running site?

[vocal prairie]

Yeah, they are.

[swift flower]

docker-compose up

[vocal prairie]

Do you have docker installed?

[short snow]

wait, now you are using docker.... uhh

[swift flower]

yes

[vocal prairie]

The site uses docker.

[short snow]

^

[gritty wind]

everything can run with or without docker

[swift flower]

so it should be working then? @gritty wind

[gritty wind]

what are you stuck at?

[short snow]

it can run without docker too

[swift flower]

when i do pipenv run start i get:

[gritty wind]

yeah, you need to set up the site as well

the error is at the very bottom

[swift flower]

it won't let me install docker 😔

much errors

following https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/

[gritty wind]

what are you getting?

[swift flower]

the packages are missing

i tried to install them with apt

[green oriole]

What packages?

[swift flower]

docker-ce docker-ce-cli containerd.io

[green oriole]

Have you added the apt source?

[swift flower]

yes

[green oriole]

and apt update?

[swift flower]

i followed all of the steps correctly up to this part

yes but i will run it again

[short snow]

https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/#install-using-the-repository follow these

[fervent sage]

normally on ubuntu you can get basically all of docker and compose working with just apt install docker.io docker-compose

[short snow]

it should work

i used those

[swift flower]

bruh

@short snow https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/635950537262759947/828975253677539398

[green oriole]

Also the automatic installer isn't bad tbh

curl -fsSL https://get.docker.com | sudo sh

[swift flower]

i'll try that @green oriole

didn't seem to work

: docker

Command 'docker' not found, but can be installed with:

snap install docker # version 19.03.13, or
apt install docker.io # version 19.03.8-0ubuntu1.20.04.2

See 'snap info docker' for additional versions.

[sleek steppe]

docker-compose ?

[short snow]

what errors come when you do:

$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install docker-ce docker-ce-cli containerd.io

[swift flower]

i mean

docker-compose works @sleek steppe

[vocal prairie]

If you run on docker, do you need to run on the host? (site)

[swift flower]

lots @short snow

[short snow]

psot them on pastebin

and put the link here

[swift flower]

https://pastebin.com/UicqXBLw

https://pastebin.com/jnBJhtVM

[short snow]

remove those repo for docker

[swift flower]

i can do docker-compose but it just says i am missing the .env file in the bot directory

[short snow]

and use this:

sudo add-apt-repository "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu focal stable"

then run sudo apt update

and see if it errors out or works

[swift flower]

how do i remove them

[short snow]

uhh, not sure, lemme google

ah there, https://askubuntu.com/a/310

[cold island]

well, do you have an .env file in your bot directory?

it's not part of the repo, it's where you specify your bot token

[short snow]

nice, found a guide to install docker on 20.04, there you go @swift flower,

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-docker-on-ubuntu-20-04

[swift flower]

i don't, i have my token in config.yml

@cold island is there a template to make .env file

[gritty wind]

it's in the guide iirc

[vocal prairie]

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/site/#2-environment-variables

Template ^

[gritty wind]

bot or site?

[vocal prairie]

Wait, are you doing both at once?

[swift flower]

at this point i dont even know

i cant run the bot without the site

[vocal prairie]

Yes you can…

[swift flower]

it gives me an error

[short snow]

BOT_TOKEN=""
BOT_API_KEY="badbot13m0n8f570f942013fc818f234916ca531"

[gritty wind]

it you aren't using the bot's docker compose, you do need site

[vocal prairie]

But they're setting up the site.

Aren't they?

[gritty wind]

idk what is happening

[vocal prairie]

Or do you need bot for the site?

[gritty wind]

they started this by trying to setup the site

[vocal prairie]

Yeah.

[gritty wind]

bot*

[vocal prairie]

Oh.

I thought it started with site.

[gritty wind]

This is getting a bit messy, would you like to hop in voice lol

[swift flower]

me?

[gritty wind]

yeah

[swift flower]

sure give me 5 minutes

[short snow]

are you running bot with docker?

or bot with pipenv run start,

and site and postgres with docker

[swift flower]

i'm running bot

[short snow]

ik, but how

[vocal prairie]

^

[swift flower]

pipenv run start

[short snow]

like this?

[swift flower]

yes

[short snow]

ok, did u get docker isntalled perfectly?

[swift flower]

aiohttp.client_exceptions.ClientConnectorError: Cannot connect to host pydis-api.default.svc.cluster.local:80 ssl:default [None]
2021-04-06 13:16:58 | bot | CRITICAL | Could not connect to site API. Is it running?

[vocal prairie]

I got this error when running pipenv sync --dev
RuntimeError: location not created nor specified

[short snow]

run the site first, and then run the bot

[swift flower]

how do i run the site?

[short snow]

docker-compose up --no-deps site

[vocal prairie]

What's --no-deps?

[swift flower]

lots of errors lol

this mean anything to you? @short snow

[short snow]

uhh can u put it in a bin?

[green oriole]

Docker isn't running

[short snow]

prevents Compose from also recreating any services which site depends on.

[swift flower]

ugh

[vocal prairie]

Does this mean anything to anyone?

[green oriole]

I have no idea, sorry

[gritty wind]

haven't seen that one before, what folder are you in?

[short snow]

i run everything with docker as of now, so nope

[vocal prairie]

The site repo.

[green oriole]

are you on linux?

[vocal prairie]

Windows

[swift flower]

please help me fix docker @short snow

[short snow]

here

[green oriole]

Hmmm

[swift flower]

yes but i have broken docker

[green oriole]

Try sudo systemctl status docker

[swift flower]

i think if i try to install it anymore times it will break

[short snow]

purge on docker

and reinstall it

[green oriole]

Tell us what it says

[swift flower]

Unit docker.service could not be found.

[vocal prairie]

Wait, me or 60x?

[short snow]

ok yeah, do a purge

60x

[green oriole]

That's.. problematic

[swift flower]

a purge?

sudo apt-purge docker?

[green oriole]

60x

[short snow]

sudo apt-get purge -y docker-engine docker docker.io docker-ce docker-ce-cli
sudo apt-get autoremove -y --purge docker-engine docker docker.io docker-ce  

dawn wait, lets figure out 60x's stuff first

[vocal prairie]

Okie.

[swift flower]

ok i did that

[short snow]

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-docker-on-ubuntu-20-04 follow this now

[green oriole]

@vocal prairie from a quick look up it seems like your Python install might be broken

@short snow I don't think dropping the same link over and over is really useful

[vocal prairie]

Crap. Time to reinstall Python.

[swift flower]

i got some errors just doing apt-get update lol

Err:1 https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu focal InRelease
  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7EA0A9C3F273FCD8
Err:3 https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable InRelease
  The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 23E7166788B63E1E Yarn Packaging <[e-mail]>
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu focal InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7EA0A9C3F273FCD8
E: The repository 'https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu focal InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 23E7166788B63E1E Yarn Packaging <[e-mail]>
W: Target Packages (stable/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:58 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list:1
W: Target Packages (stable/binary-all/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:58 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list:1
W: Target Translations (stable/i18n/Translation-en) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:58 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list:1
W: Target CNF (stable/cnf/Commands-amd64) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:58 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list:1
W: Target CNF (stable/cnf/Commands-all) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:58 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list:1```

[short snow]

curl -fsSL https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/gpg | sudo apt-key add - did u run this?

[vocal prairie]

Oh! I have Python 3.10 installed.

[swift flower]

no

[vocal prairie]

That's probably screwing it up.

[short snow]

run everything step by step in that link i shared

[swift flower]

yeah bro but i've still got issues and i'm not even on the first step

[short snow]

uhh, you need to remove the keys, lemme see how to do that

[swift flower]

yeah this

Err:1 https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu focal InRelease
  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7EA0A9C3F273FCD8

NO_PUBKEY 7EA0A9C3F273FCD8

[short snow]

https://askubuntu.com/a/107189/1189527

[swift flower]

i dont see them in the list

[green oriole]

you need to add the key

[green oriole]

This should be the right command

[swift flower]

ok

i just added it

[green oriole]

You should be able to run apt update then

[swift flower]

rip

[short snow]

remove that key

[swift flower]

i dont see it in the list when i do sudo apt-key list though

[short snow]

try doing this: sudo apt-key del <key>

[green oriole]

What is the return code of the apt-key add command?

[swift flower]

that docker one is the one we just added not the one giving me problems

[short snow]

remove the one with name yarn packing

the one above docker

[swift flower]

ok

[short snow]

i got some work, so ping me when your reply

[swift flower]

i think i will take a break too because nothing is working and its giving me a headache

[green oriole]

You should never be randomly removing developer keys

[clever wraith]

You can try manually adding the repo

[short snow]

we are doing that right now, but when they do sudo apt-get update it errors out on the yarnpkg keyring

[vocal prairie]

I just uninstall my old version and installed Python 3.9.4, but I'm still getting the same error.