unix

[pastel kestrel]

yes

try running sudo apt-get update --fix-missing again

cuz apt-get works

[pastel kestrel]

lmk when u have ur final output

[whole hamlet]

this is it

[pastel kestrel]

oh ok

try sudo apt-get install -f

lmk the output

[whole hamlet]

@pastel kestrel

[pastel kestrel]

I'm thinking

[whole hamlet]

alr mb

[pastel kestrel]

ur unpacking is broken

that means that when u use apt to install stuff it won't be able to install

[whole hamlet]

oh

thats not good

[pastel kestrel]

It's not but I have an idea

[whole hamlet]

hm?

[pastel kestrel]

ur wget should still work

so if u fix dpkg with wget

things should look up from there

[whole hamlet]

so what command?

sudo apt wget

?

cuz im not good with this stuff as im just a beginner

[pastel kestrel]

no no no

it's fine

[whole hamlet]

alr

so which command?

[pastel kestrel]

let me look at this error for a bit

[whole hamlet]

kk

[pastel kestrel]

oh yep

I know exactly what to do

[whole hamlet]

oh nice

[pastel kestrel]

sudo dpkg --configure -a

ur database got fucked too

but this should fix that

[whole hamlet]

a bit of hope

i'll let yk the output when its here

[pastel kestrel]

if it takes a long time it's working

[whole hamlet]

it is lol

[pastel kestrel]

thats good

[pastel kestrel]

give me a bit to process this

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

hmmm

[whole hamlet]

that doesnt seem good

[pastel kestrel]

try running it now.

I doubt it will work but it might give a different error

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt-get clean

[whole hamlet]

nothing happened

[pastel kestrel]

that's weird

gimme a moment

I have another idea

[whole hamlet]

kk

[pastel kestrel]

apt-get remove python3.10

apt-get remove python3.10-minimal

those 2 commands

then do sudo apt-get clean again

[pastel kestrel]

then sudo apt-get update

[pastel kestrel]

add sudo

my fault

[whole hamlet]

oh

mb

i didnt notice either

[pastel kestrel]

no u good

[whole hamlet]

now ill run the second one

[pastel kestrel]

if the first one doesent work the 2nd won't either

[whole hamlet]

yeah it didnt lol

[pastel kestrel]

try sudo apt --fix-broken install

[pastel kestrel]

this problem goes so deep 😓

it's just everywhere

[whole hamlet]

;-;

[whole hamlet]

yeah

it's fine if you dont wanna do it anymore

its understandable

[pastel kestrel]

I want to help out a fellow linux user

[whole hamlet]

heh thanks

[pastel kestrel]

I never seen something like this tho

I'ma keep trying

[whole hamlet]

alr

appreciated

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt --fix-missing update

[whole hamlet]

oh my god no error this time

[pastel kestrel]

sudo dpkg -l | grep ^..r

[whole hamlet]

hm nothing happened

[pastel kestrel]

that could mean 2 things

[whole hamlet]

hm?

[pastel kestrel]

1. ur packages are all updgraded
2. dpkg is 101% fucked

[whole hamlet]

lmao

[pastel kestrel]

I'm not sure which one

we gunna assume #1

[whole hamlet]

hopefully 👀

[pastel kestrel]

sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq python3.10

[pastel kestrel]

this should be a good sign

is that all the output tho?

[whole hamlet]

oh nice

[whole hamlet]

yeah

[pastel kestrel]

hmm

one more command should do it

actually 2

[whole hamlet]

oh ok

[pastel kestrel]

sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq python3.10-minimal

[pastel kestrel]

there is no way that is all the output

[whole hamlet]

it is

i promise you

[pastel kestrel]

ig it worked then

one last command

[whole hamlet]

OH NICE

alr

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt-get install -f

[pastel kestrel]

this one I am the least sure about

[whole hamlet]

im surprised no errors are showing up yet

[pastel kestrel]

We made a lot of progress

but it's saying we have a bit of cleaning up to do

[whole hamlet]

lol i can tell

[whole hamlet]

oh alr

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt clean

that should clean it up

[whole hamlet]

hm

nothing happened

just moved on to the next line

that could mean good or bad

[pastel kestrel]

then try sudo apt autoremove

[whole hamlet]

cuz no errors are showing

its working

[pastel kestrel]

it should be removing 2 packages

*3

[pastel kestrel]

a bit more than a few

[pastel kestrel]

but that should still be ok

[whole hamlet]

theres that too

alr

so any more commands?

[pastel kestrel]

I think ur done. So try doing this command to see if everything works

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

if that works with no errors

u saved ur system

[whole hamlet]

nope, you did

[pastel kestrel]

no errors?

[whole hamlet]

nope

[whole hamlet]

YOU saved it not me

[pastel kestrel]

that makes me suspisious

apt is prob trolling us

[whole hamlet]

💀

wdym lol

[whole hamlet]

i thought it was good

[pastel kestrel]

I think it's lying to us

[whole hamlet]

why is that

[pastel kestrel]

try sudo apt-get mpv

I meant sudo apt install mpv

my fault

[whole hamlet]

oh

[pastel kestrel]

if that works then I can say with certainty that ur system is good to go

[whole hamlet]

theres more

[pastel kestrel]

any errors?

[whole hamlet]

nope

[pastel kestrel]

do mpv --help

[pastel kestrel]

ur system is good

[whole hamlet]

OMD NO WAY

[pastel kestrel]

yep

[whole hamlet]

thanks so much

wait

[pastel kestrel]

is the error still there

[whole hamlet]

so wil terminal open now

[whole hamlet]

no no

[pastel kestrel]

u might need to reboot

if anything sus happens lmk

[whole hamlet]

yeah i do, terminal isnt working

yet

[pastel kestrel]

aight

[pastel kestrel]

if it isnt working when u boot up lmk cuz then we have even more problems

[whole hamlet]

uhh

its not working

;-;

[pastel kestrel]

alr

[whole hamlet]

yo

[pastel kestrel]

remember all those commands

[whole hamlet]

uh do u mind waiting like 10 min

[pastel kestrel]

yeh np

[whole hamlet]

alr thanks

ill ping u

when im rdy

@pastel kestrel

im rdy

[pastel kestrel]

sorry

[whole hamlet]

?

[pastel kestrel]

I missed the notifcation

[whole hamlet]

oh ok

no thats fine

only by a minute lol

[pastel kestrel]

oh

[whole hamlet]

so anyways

what commands we running now

[pastel kestrel]

what happens when u try to open ur main terminal

[whole hamlet]

my mouse turns into a loading thing for a few seconds then everything goes back to normal

[pastel kestrel]

so it doesent even give you an error?

[whole hamlet]

nope

[pastel kestrel]

hmmm

this may seem a bit weird what I am going to suggest

I need to think of what to do tho

[whole hamlet]

hm?

[pastel kestrel]

gimme a few minutes

[whole hamlet]

oh k

np

[pastel kestrel]

what DE are you running?

[whole hamlet]

DE?

[pastel kestrel]

yeah

[whole hamlet]

whats that

[pastel kestrel]

nvm

[whole hamlet]

sorry

[pastel kestrel]

it's zorian right

[whole hamlet]

yeah

[pastel kestrel]

it's fine

[whole hamlet]

zorin os

ubuntu

[pastel kestrel]

is ur terminal called "konsole"?

[whole hamlet]

hold on

[whole hamlet]

no its gnome terminal

[pastel kestrel]

thats perfect

[whole hamlet]

😄

[pastel kestrel]

I am probably going to give a lot of wrong commands

[whole hamlet]

oh ok

[pastel kestrel]

but try to run gnome-terminal

[whole hamlet]

no problem

[pastel kestrel]

just type that

[whole hamlet]

on xfce?

[pastel kestrel]

yes

[pastel kestrel]

perfect

I couldent ask for something better

[whole hamlet]

i cant tell if thats sarcastic or not

lol

[pastel kestrel]

I'm serious

[whole hamlet]

oh nice

das good

[pastel kestrel]

cd /usr/bin

[whole hamlet]

should i type that?

[pastel kestrel]

yeh

[whole hamlet]

in the terminal

[pastel kestrel]

I know the problem

python fucked EVERYTHING up

[whole hamlet]

my name now /usr/bin in front of it

in the colour blue

[whole hamlet]

damn

[pastel kestrel]

perfect

ls

[whole hamlet]

i need to reinstall it after tho

oh wow

[pastel kestrel]

yeah since ur in the python server

there should be a lot of shit

everywhere

[whole hamlet]

some big ass list

yeah

[pastel kestrel]

ls means list

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

so it's gunna list everything

[whole hamlet]

ah ok

[pastel kestrel]

ok so do cd ~

[whole hamlet]

uh nothing happened

[pastel kestrel]

ik

[whole hamlet]

but the blue thing vanished

from the start of my name

[pastel kestrel]

I would explain what that means but it doesent matter

[whole hamlet]

apart from a squigly dash

[whole hamlet]

yeah i dont need to know either, i'll learn sometime in the future

since im picking cs for gcse

[pastel kestrel]

sudo rm -rf usr/bin/python3.10

this is gunna nuke ur python

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

but we will re install it

[whole hamlet]

cuz it moved onto a new line

but my name isnt there

[pastel kestrel]

is there blue?

[whole hamlet]

there is nothing

OH WAIYT

its asking for my password

mb

[pastel kestrel]

cuz it's sudo

[whole hamlet]

it just took a bit of time to show

[whole hamlet]

yeah mb

[pastel kestrel]

yeah

it's aight

[whole hamlet]

ok now my name is here

with a blue squigly dash

after my name

[pastel kestrel]

ok

~ means ur home

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

so now do sudo apt install python3

this will get ur python back

*without the 99999 errors

[whole hamlet]

lmaoo

[pastel kestrel]

fuck

u have lots of pythons

[whole hamlet]

lol yeah

[pastel kestrel]

too many damned snakes on ur computer

[whole hamlet]

my dumbass kept installing them and then moving it to the trash because it didnt open like the yt vid said it would

[pastel kestrel]

I have installed python prob like 9999 times at this point

on different machines

[whole hamlet]

oh lmao

seems like im not the only one

makes me feel atleast not like a complete dumbass

[pastel kestrel]

I been using linux for 10 years

and I am still making mistakes

[whole hamlet]

oh wow

i started using it like 2 months ago

cuz a friend recommended it

saying its better than windows

which ofc it is

[pastel kestrel]

it's only good once you understand the commands

[whole hamlet]

welp, youre always learning

[pastel kestrel]

I would learn the basics

like cd, ls, sudo, apt, etc

[whole hamlet]

yeah

[pastel kestrel]

which we have been abusing

[whole hamlet]

i cant be focusing on that stuff rn

need to study for cs for gcse

[pastel kestrel]

type python3

[whole hamlet]

lmao fr

[pastel kestrel]

ur python is back

do exit()

[whole hamlet]

nice but its not 3.10.4

;-;

[pastel kestrel]

it's upgraded

python 3.1 is what made ur raw input not work

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

3.8 should fix it

[whole hamlet]

yeah done

[pastel kestrel]

now do gnome-terminal

[whole hamlet]

i had to do it in front of the three arrows right?

[pastel kestrel]

yes

[whole hamlet]

i dont think this is good

[pastel kestrel]

hmm

[whole hamlet]

its the same as before

[pastel kestrel]

ur .bashrc is fucked again

[whole hamlet]

🤦‍♂️

[pastel kestrel]

this computer has so many errors from that command that somebody told u to run

it's driving me crazy

[whole hamlet]

lol

its fine if you wanna stop

[pastel kestrel]

do vim .bashrc

[whole hamlet]

idm

[pastel kestrel]

naw I need to help out my fellow linux brothers

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt install vim

[whole hamlet]

i cant tell u how much i respect u for that

[pastel kestrel]

No need

[pastel kestrel]

now do vim .bashrc

it should look scary

[whole hamlet]

this situation was actually getting me rly stressed too

[whole hamlet]

yep

[pastel kestrel]

u might have needed to re-install

[whole hamlet]

re install linux?

[pastel kestrel]

yeah. But now we are in a good spot

[whole hamlet]

alr

i see some hope thank god

[pastel kestrel]

I'm gunna need a quiz favor

[whole hamlet]

alr so i see some big coding stuff

[whole hamlet]

yeah?

[pastel kestrel]

it's gunna be a pain for u to screenshot all of the code

[whole hamlet]

oh

[pastel kestrel]

!paste

[shy yoke]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[whole hamlet]

naw its nothing compared to what ur doing for me

[pastel kestrel]

press esc then ： then do q then press enter

[whole hamlet]

on my terminal?

[pastel kestrel]

yeah

[whole hamlet]

i could screen shot tbh

its not much to take 10

[pastel kestrel]

I realize I made a mistake

[whole hamlet]

?

[pastel kestrel]

just do the esc + : + q

then enter

[whole hamlet]

esc then colon then q?

[pastel kestrel]

yes

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

it should take u out

no more scary code

do you have an ide

[whole hamlet]

yeah

[whole hamlet]

wdym

oh shit i feel so dumb ;-;

[pastel kestrel]

like pycharm, visual studio code

one of those

what u use to write code

[pastel kestrel]

Bro u will learn all this soon

[whole hamlet]

oh yeah well i had vs but i deleted it cuz of someone who told me to reinstall everything

[pastel kestrel]

😓

[whole hamlet]

but i downloaded it like 1 day before

cuz i was just starting on learning to code

[pastel kestrel]

this is gunna be difficult

[whole hamlet]

how come

[pastel kestrel]

do u know this thing?

[whole hamlet]

yeah thats vs code

[pastel kestrel]

yeah can you open it?

[whole hamlet]

no, its deleted

[pastel kestrel]

shit

well

[whole hamlet]

i can ask my friend to quickly help me install it

[pastel kestrel]

actually I have idea

no

no

no

it's fine

[whole hamlet]

alr

lol

[pastel kestrel]

can you open ur files

[whole hamlet]

yes

[pastel kestrel]

do ctrl + h

it should add a few files

[whole hamlet]

on the app files

[pastel kestrel]

on the main screen

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

then look for .bashrc

it should be a file you have

then double click it

then do ctrl + a

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

then do ctrl + c

lmk when u finish that

[whole hamlet]

done

[pastel kestrel]

ok

!paste

[shy yoke]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[whole hamlet]

so ctrl a is selecting all?

[pastel kestrel]

u see that link

[whole hamlet]

yeah

[pastel kestrel]

yeah

click it

and paste it into the website

[whole hamlet]

ya learn sum new everyday

[pastel kestrel]

then press the save button

then send the link in the url bar

[whole hamlet]

wait

alr

[pastel kestrel]

it should be different

[whole hamlet]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/uyoqevedec

[pastel kestrel]

perfect

[whole hamlet]

i hope its not u tryna hack me or som

[pastel kestrel]

no

[whole hamlet]

seeing all my files or something

lol

[pastel kestrel]

It would be impossable to hack somebody by seeing the bashrc

[whole hamlet]

alr

im paranoid abt pointless shit

so dont mind me

[pastel kestrel]

this might take a while cuz im trinna read the spagetti code

[whole hamlet]

alr lol

just ping me when ur done

[pastel kestrel]

So I think ur .bashrc is fine

[whole hamlet]

ah ok

thats good

[pastel kestrel]

yes but no

[whole hamlet]

hm?

[pastel kestrel]

It's good that that doesent have any errors

but that means that I don't know why we have these errors

[whole hamlet]

but its bad we dont know why this is happening

[pastel kestrel]

wait

[whole hamlet]

i see

hm

[pastel kestrel]

I think I know

[whole hamlet]

o

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt purge python3.1

that should work

idk why I didn't think of that

shit I typed it wrong

[whole hamlet]

oh

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt purge python3.10

[whole hamlet]

alr

hld on

[pastel kestrel]

ok

[pastel kestrel]

I should have known that would happen

we already nuked python 3.10

[whole hamlet]

ah

[pastel kestrel]

the problem is that ur gnome ternimal is down bad for python 3.10 and is looking for it

[whole hamlet]

💀

[pastel kestrel]

it doesent wanna let use him unless he finds his fucking waifu snake

[whole hamlet]

simps are bad 😠

[pastel kestrel]

which is pissing me off

[whole hamlet]

ah i see

[whole hamlet]

hm

[pastel kestrel]

cuz ur terminal is basically saying "Wahhh u killed my waifu I hate u"

[whole hamlet]

yk at first i thought that was diedra in ur pfp ngl

[whole hamlet]

lmaoo

[pastel kestrel]

oh lmao

so this little fucking shit is not working

[whole hamlet]

so, u got any solutions?

[pastel kestrel]

I need to think

gimme 5

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

fuckkkk

[whole hamlet]

;-;

[pastel kestrel]

this is soo annoying

[whole hamlet]

hold on

since u understand this situation better than me

can u phrase whats happpened and why

[pastel kestrel]

yeah

[whole hamlet]

so i can post it in another server

see if someone else can help too

better to have more people working

[pastel kestrel]

So your terminal isnt starting because it has a conflict where it's looking for python 3.10 which has been changed to python 3.8

[whole hamlet]

alr

[pastel kestrel]

Wait... I think im stupid

💀

I'm actually fucking stupid

[whole hamlet]

alr thanks

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

[whole hamlet]

why

[pastel kestrel]

that should fix the solution

[pastel kestrel]

the solution is one single command

[whole hamlet]

problem*

[pastel kestrel]

and it's the most basic

[pastel kestrel]

lmao right

[whole hamlet]

sorry lol, it was getting on my nerves

[pastel kestrel]

apt is 🧢 ing rn

it's saying everything is up to date

[whole hamlet]

lmao

hm

any solution

[pastel kestrel]

alr

I might have one

[whole hamlet]

nice

[pastel kestrel]

but this might cause more issues

if it does I can fix them but it will still be annoying

sudo apt install python3.10

wait

[whole hamlet]

aalr

[pastel kestrel]

sudo apt purge python3.8

[whole hamlet]

thats good cuz if u werent aple to fix it then that would be bad

[pastel kestrel]

then do sudo apt install python3.10

do purge first

[whole hamlet]

this command made a whole paragraph of code show up at once

[pastel kestrel]

damn

do it

it should fix ur terminal

[whole hamlet]

its still working on this

[pastel kestrel]

ok

that is gunna get rid of the fucking snake

[whole hamlet]

les go

[pastel kestrel]

then we are bringing back ur terimals waifu

[whole hamlet]

its happening quit slowly

only at 15 percent rn

so itll take a while

[pastel kestrel]

so the ur terminal should be happy

[whole hamlet]

😄

whilst removing stuff

there were like 5 lines with warning in em

OMD

my terminal vanished

and my firefox is gone too

@pastel kestrel

[pastel kestrel]

hmm

thats not good

[whole hamlet]

the gnome terminal

[pastel kestrel]

oh

[whole hamlet]

fuck

[pastel kestrel]

thats good

[whole hamlet]

oh ok

it's following its waifu 💀

[pastel kestrel]

if it was ur xfce u would have been super fucked

[whole hamlet]

ah ok

[pastel kestrel]

ok now we need to bring back gnomes waifu snake

[whole hamlet]

hold on

[pastel kestrel]

this

[whole hamlet]

its at 85 percent rn

[pastel kestrel]

oh ok

[whole hamlet]

90

[pastel kestrel]

no need to rush

[whole hamlet]

alr

stuck at 94 percent for some reason but ok

[pastel kestrel]

it do be like that sometimes

[whole hamlet]

yeah fr

[pastel kestrel]

it's just how it is

[whole hamlet]

btw

[pastel kestrel]

I just didn't want u to need to re install linux cuz thats what I had to do a couple of days ago

[whole hamlet]

ah ok

[whole hamlet]

i just saw files withj warning

and it said

"not empty so not removed"

its done now btw

but for some reason i cant see the discord app icon

[pastel kestrel]

yeah this is not supposed to happen

this is really bad

[whole hamlet]

FUCK

[pastel kestrel]

screenshot

I think I made a massive mistake

cuz some of these apps were made with python

so ur whole computer simps for the fucking snake

and since we are murdering it with a fucking nuke

[whole hamlet]

Discord vanished

[pastel kestrel]

ur computer is pissed

[whole hamlet]

From my pc

I'm on my phone atm

[pastel kestrel]

ctrl c

[whole hamlet]

Fuck I'm worried now

[pastel kestrel]

spam ctrl c

I might have made a mistake

a very big one

this is all my fault

[whole hamlet]

On the terminal?

[pastel kestrel]

yes

[whole hamlet]

Ctrl c

On the term

[pastel kestrel]

yes

[whole hamlet]

K

[pastel kestrel]

before it hits 100

[whole hamlet]

I'm it alrdy finished

[pastel kestrel]

well shit

[whole hamlet]

It*

FUCK

I'm worried now

[pastel kestrel]

well

[whole hamlet]

What should we do

[pastel kestrel]

see we have a bit of an issue

[whole hamlet]

😭😭

[pastel kestrel]

ur whole computer relies on python

and we murdered it

[whole hamlet]

I'm actually shifting bricks rn

Should I install python 3.10 then now

[pastel kestrel]

yes

[whole hamlet]

This command?

??

[pastel kestrel]

this

yes

[whole hamlet]

Alr

I'm so fucking worried

[pastel kestrel]

if that command does not work we are so fucked that I can't explain

once the command finished u need to reboot

[whole hamlet]

Its finished

Alr ima reboot

If my pc doesn't open ima cry

[pastel kestrel]

boot isnt written in python

thank god

[whole hamlet]

Oh thank god

Bte

Btw

[pastel kestrel]

at least ur boot isnt down bad

[whole hamlet]

Does this only affect linux

Cuz I have windows on my pc too

[pastel kestrel]

this only affects linux

[whole hamlet]

OH THANK GOD

I thought my whole pc was gone for

[pastel kestrel]

naw

[whole hamlet]

So no matter what happens I can delete Linux and install it again

If something goes really wrong

[pastel kestrel]

the very worst case is that u fucked ur linux to a point of no return

if ur boot used python u would be fucked

but it doesent

[whole hamlet]

But I can delete it and install it again

[pastel kestrel]

yeah

[whole hamlet]

So I'm not worried now

[pastel kestrel]

boot is written in c not python

[whole hamlet]

But it would be very preferable to have this Linux saved

[whole hamlet]

Ah thank God

[pastel kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/python-beloved-my-beloved-coding-programming-gif-23762816

the fucking snake

[whole hamlet]

Pov terminal

[pastel kestrel]

is causing us pain

[whole hamlet]

Oh fuck

[pastel kestrel]

but ur gnome terinal is down bad

[whole hamlet]

I'm sending a picture

[pastel kestrel]

fuck

[whole hamlet]

Linux isn't opening

Fuckkkk

[pastel kestrel]

ok

[whole hamlet]

Should I press esc or enter or sum

[pastel kestrel]

no

[whole hamlet]

Alr then what

[pastel kestrel]

I‘m sorry

but ur FUCKEDDDDDD

[whole hamlet]

FUCK

[pastel kestrel]

like 100%

fully fucked

[whole hamlet]

Welp

[pastel kestrel]

boot needed python

for some fucking dumb reason

[whole hamlet]

SO I CANT USE WINDOWS?

[pastel kestrel]

ur gunna need a usb

[pastel kestrel]

I can fix it

btw im sorry this is all my fault

[whole hamlet]

It's fine, I have a friend who can as well

[pastel kestrel]

I thought u had more pythons

[whole hamlet]

It's fine if :/

Wait

I think windows is still working

[pastel kestrel]

but we killed too many of those shits

windows should work

[whole hamlet]

Oh yeah it's working

[pastel kestrel]

but ur linux is 100% compleatly fucked

[whole hamlet]

Eh it's fine ig

[pastel kestrel]

ig even tux was downbad

[whole hamlet]

🤦

[pastel kestrel]

did u have important files on ur linux?

[whole hamlet]

No

[pastel kestrel]

ok

[whole hamlet]

Allhamdulilah

[pastel kestrel]

that makes things easier

[whole hamlet]

Alr

[pastel kestrel]

but u need to follow very very very specific instuctions

cuz things could go hella south

like what happened to me a couple days ago

I accendently erased my whole computer

[whole hamlet]

So I have to reinstall Linux?

[pastel kestrel]

yes

it's fully fucked

I'm sorry

[whole hamlet]

It's fine

[pastel kestrel]

tbh it had so many errors anyway

[whole hamlet]

I guess

[whole hamlet]

For what

[pastel kestrel]

how to re install linux

u need a usb drive

the one that u used to install linux

[whole hamlet]

The same way I downloaded Linux basically

[pastel kestrel]

yeh

[whole hamlet]

I just need to do everything over again

[pastel kestrel]

kinda

[whole hamlet]

It's not that much of a serious situation then I'm guessing

[whole hamlet]

Wdym

[pastel kestrel]

yes u are

there is somthing called partitioning

[whole hamlet]

Yeah ik

That's what we did

[pastel kestrel]

u could lose ur windows in theory

if u fuck it

[whole hamlet]

Why is that

[pastel kestrel]

but if u listen closly I won't let that happen

[whole hamlet]

I can't do anything rn

Cuz I don't have the usb on my atm

[pastel kestrel]

plug in the usb and reboot

[whole hamlet]

I don't have the usb

My dad out it somewhere

[pastel kestrel]

oh

[whole hamlet]

Put*

[pastel kestrel]

actually ur dad should install linux again

[whole hamlet]

Can u dm me the instructions

[pastel kestrel]

does he know how?

[whole hamlet]

No

[pastel kestrel]

oh

[whole hamlet]

But my friend does

And he's coming to my house tmrw

[pastel kestrel]

ok

[whole hamlet]

So dm me the instructions

[pastel kestrel]

alr

[whole hamlet]

And what could happen if we mess it up

So I can show him

[pastel kestrel]

u could lose everything on ur computer

like everything

[whole hamlet]

Dm me how and why

And dm me the instructions

[pastel kestrel]

the problem is that I don't live with you

It is 999999x easier in person

[whole hamlet]

Yeah

[pastel kestrel]

cuz if I could see ur screen in real time I could do it

[whole hamlet]

But my friend is very techy

So he could prolly help

[pastel kestrel]

he is prob better than me

[whole hamlet]

So just dm me everything

[pastel kestrel]

dm u what

[whole hamlet]

Idk, he didn't know what to do

[pastel kestrel]

didn't he install it before

[whole hamlet]

The instructions to follow, and why everything could be fucked up if we go wrong

[pastel kestrel]

alr

[whole hamlet]

Yeah but u said kinda so yk

Just in case

[pastel kestrel]

oh ok

ima dm u everything

[whole hamlet]

Yeah

Every detail and all

[low kayak]

No

[plush sparrow]

👋

[main olive]

installing linux is easy, depending on what distribution it is you are installing

ofc if you don't know the first thing about computers then it is not easy

but it is not as hard as you think

it is very rare to f*** something up

again depends on the distribution

if you are reinstalling your operating system then you will wipe everything on your computer anyways

idk if there is a way to not have that happen but still reinstall successfully

i'd suggest backing up all your data on a different storage device

now that may sound fancy to noobs but it is literally just copying and pasting everything you don't want to lose to a separate storage device

[main olive]

which linux distribution is the best

any professional advice

and also i want to ask is it mandatory to learn .BASH for getting into the linux

[tender plinth]

hello, i've been trying to set up debug for an aarch64 linux 5.17 kernel, the issue is that, the boot image is an MS-DOS executable PE32+ executable, is there a way we can extract the vmlinux kernel elf from this?

[wise forge]

Kubuntu for the win

Debian family of linuxes is in general the most stable to be used for dev purposes

Ubuntu is the target platform for Docker products

Ubuntu is Debian variation basically

and Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE Plasma graphical interface

which is quite friendly and pleasant to use

default Console multiplexor

familiar task bar at the bottom and everything is cool in general as well

20.04 is stable LTS one currently. In 5 days is going to be the big release

of the Kubuntu 22.04. The next stable long time supported one

[fallow tusk]

It's not mandatory, but I'd say it's highly recommended. Most modern Linuxes have graphical interfaces to all the settings, for example, but being able to drop to a terminal and do a few simple command line queries is invaluable - it's much easier to ask someone to do something as a command than explaining what to do in any of the myriad GUI tools, so knowing bash will help to know what is being asked when reading internet help, for example.

But then bash isn't the only shell - as with anything Linux, there are a myriad variations. bash seems to be the most popular atm, though. sh and zsh are strong contenders. csh less so nowadays.

As far as distros go, each has its own forté. Ubuntu and Manjaro and Mint are pretty well-rounded, general purpose distros. There are also several that try to mimic to some degree or other the look and feel of Windows or Mac. And then there are those that try to give you as much control over what you want the distribution to be as possible (Arch is probably my favourite in this category, and Manjaro is based on Arch).

||</keyboard diarrhoea>|| ;)

[trail sapphire]

that question is really a good one if you want to start a flame war, and you'll get a different answer depending on who you ask
it's a bit like asking "what food is the best?" (it will also depend on who you ask) and even leaving "best" up for interpretation by the othere party (best for what or in what way?)

you probably need to tell us what your goal is, just learn to expand you knowledge or for a specific line of work in the enterprise world, and in the later case, what would that be?

[plush sparrow]

With the above being said, I think it's good to make it clear that you can achieve the same look and feel, and have the same programs on pretty much any of the popular distributions. The thing that varies is the package manager and what comes out of the box. It's not like Windows where you are tied down to use a certain desktop environment or window manager, everything can be configured.

We nix users tend to take that for granted, but when coming from Windows it's quite a huge difference

[trail sapphire]

i couldn't agree more with what @plush sparrow said, especially about that the package mangers being one of the major differences, just wanted to add that there will also be some major differences in how some of the distributions configuration files look, like network configuration in debian based distros and redhat based distros just to take one example

[main olive]

Haha .! Nice one

[main olive]

Appreciated.!

[trail sapphire]

i also agree with @fallow tusk, it's good to learn at least the basics of using the major unix shells (if you know one you will be able to get around in the other most common ones) such as bash and zsh (now the default on mac)

[fallow tusk]

tbf, bash and zsh aren't that far different.

[trail sapphire]

true, but they are the most common and i don't think tcsh and csh isn't that far off either

[fallow tusk]

Garuda uses fish, and that annoys me by being similar enough to lull me into a false sense of security, but different enough to do things in different ways that trip me up.

Most are just variants of (or "improvements" on) sh :D

[trail sapphire]

@main olive two more things to learn when learning to use the shell and a unix based system is:

1. to be able to login to other such systems over the network using the ssh command
2. know at least the very basics of how to use the editors that are more or less universally available on most unix systems, like:

vi or one of it's more modern variants such as vim, you will find it installed on almost all unix systems by default but they can be very intimidating to use at first, it's the unix granddaddy of text editors and was meant to be a "visual" (think basic text user interface) version of ed (which is another editor that doesn't have much of an interface to speak of, it resembles a command line or shell more than anything else, you can more or less just ignore that one for now)

nano (which is a modern version of the original software named pico) can be much easier to get started with, and some would argue even for day to day use, but might not be available by default on all unix systems without adding that package to the system

this list wouldn't be much of a list without mentioning emacs which is a very advanced text editor that might have a bit more familiar ergonomics compared to vi, it is maybe a bit less commonly installed by default on unix systems then the vi variants, but still used to be the second most common editor found on unix systems, nano may however have taken the number two spot today

both viand emacsdates back to 1976 but both has seen continues development since then, and very loyal followers of each of those two editors has for decades waged flame wars against each other online about which is the best editor, way worse then those over different distros 😉

[main olive]

Thanks man.!

[plush sparrow]

(neo)vim 🙏

[vivid cradle]

test

[plush sparrow]

test

[fallow tusk]

Emacs with Viper mode enabled }:D

[trail sapphire]

oh no, look what i've started by just mentioning editors in the unix world! lets keep those flame wars, err... conversations over at #editors-ides 🤪

[plush sparrow]

I couldn't contain myself 😔

[dull parcel]

nano my beloved <3

[north bronze]

Vim is better

[tired magnet]

can someone tell me whats wrong with my code?

I cant figure it out

[plush sparrow]

instead of doing

...
else
    if ...
...

Use elif

[opaque ginkgo]

Your first mistake was writing an actual program in bash

on a serious note,

its better if you paste your code as text, eg:
```bash
code goes here
```

so we can reproduce

@tired magnet

oh I see

choice =4 should be choice=4

[valid fern]

I can't install git lfs

I installed the exe, ran it and have it in my c: folder

then when I run git lfs install it says git lfs exists, and it might be broken

[slender plank]

Im a linux noob and i tried installing debian now im stuck here

yeah but i cant install a gui

command not found

it gives me a list of commands and some info

that works

unable to locate package

[fallow tusk]

If you want a gui without too much hassle, you might consider a distribution that comes with KDE or GNOME as standard. Not sure which debian distro might match that specification, though.

Although not a distro link, this might help with getting KDE up and running: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#KDE.27s_software_in_Debian

Ah

[slender plank]

yes

[fallow tusk]

It's a long time since I installed debian. So long, I was surprised when you said apt ;)

[slender plank]

ill try the search now

[fallow tusk]

That link I showed gives the packages you'd need. kde-full and kde-plasma might be the ones you want.

[slender plank]

still unable to locate

[fallow tusk]

Ah, right...

Flavors: The live images come in several "flavors" providing a choice of desktop environments (GNOME, KDE, LXDE, Xfce, Cinnamon and MATE).
I may have to revisit debian at some point :)

Ah - did you run apt update?

[slender plank]

yeah

all packages are up to date

some index files failed to download

and failed to fetch security.debian

[fallow tusk]

That last is probably OK. The missing index file are probably repo urls that no longer exist... That might be an issue.

Looks like the default installation has GNOME preselected...

[slender plank]

what does that mean?

[fallow tusk]

When I ran the installation it had GNOME selected already as a default package to install.

I was going to see if I could run up a system with it set up, and see if I got the same problems

Oh. It started me into a desktop environment anyway.

[slender plank]

hm

im trying to find some answers online and im gonna see where ill end up

[fallow tusk]

shrug

Can you cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v '^#'?

And can you ping deb.debian.org successfully?

[slender plank]

it says temporary failure in name resolution

how do i do that

nop

unreachable

[fallow tusk]

Check the output of ip a. Don't post it here unless you know it doesn't have your external ip address

This is what I get (I'm in a VM, so have an internal local address - the inet 10.0.2.15 bit under 2: enp0s3)

[slender plank]

ill try that in a sec

can i stop the 8.8.8.8 ping

[fallow tusk]

yeah

[slender plank]

how

[fallow tusk]

ctrl-c

[slender plank]

k

[fallow tusk]

No. C ;P

I'm going to guess you don't have an IP associated with your network interface...

[slender plank]

i got the same message as you

[fallow tusk]

With the inet line with an address there?

[slender plank]

yea

[fallow tusk]

(And not the loopback address, 127.0.0.1)

[slender plank]

its inet and my ip

[fallow tusk]

hmm. ip route?

[slender plank]

default via (my ip) dev enp4s0 onlink linkdown

[fallow tusk]

But nothing under there?

[slender plank]

its got (my ip) dev enp4s0 proto kernel scope link src(ip) linkdown

[fallow tusk]

linkdown suggests that maybe something's not right to me.

Yeah, I think that may be the issue

[slender plank]

already configured

on the laptop i installed linux is wireless

for my pc i use ethernet

[fallow tusk]

Ah. Isn't enp* an ethernet interface? I'd expect wlan0 for a wireless

[slender plank]

if i plug in the cable woould that do something?

[fallow tusk]

Try it!

[slender plank]

okey done

[fallow tusk]

What does ping www.google.com give, now?

[slender plank]

temporary failure in name resolution

should i reboot maybe?

[fallow tusk]

Worth a shot, although I'd expect it to "just work" if it's just an unplugged cable.

Before you do...

[slender plank]

yeah

[fallow tusk]

Have a look at ip a again. Is it different?

and/or ip route

[slender plank]

let me check

[fallow tusk]

Do they still say linkdown?

[slender plank]

no

works now

[fallow tusk]

OK.

So just need to configure a nameserver, perhaps

Ah, true

[slender plank]

id try running the installer again

just need to know how

[fallow tusk]

Did you have it on usb? A live disk?

[slender plank]

usb yes

[fallow tusk]

So stick that in and use the BIOS menu to boot it (Usually need something like F2 as the laptop starts)

(Yeah - done this cycle many many times myself!)

Especially when you forget which particular key your BIOS needs, or you mistime pressing it....

[slender plank]

okay installing now

im gonna ask if im not sure about smth

[fallow tusk]

I'm re-running the installer too

[fallow tusk]

Ah, that'll be why you don't have wifi!

[slender plank]

okay so can i install those later?

[fallow tusk]

I assume so!

[slender plank]

okay im gonna continue no

w

[fallow tusk]

Might need to dig on the net to find how to get them, though.

[slender plank]

any reason why they are missing?

[fallow tusk]

They're non-standard. Not unusual for a laptop.

Also says they're non-free (i.e. proprietary)

[slender plank]

What should i enter as domain name?

[fallow tusk]

You probably don't need one

[slender plank]

i dont have one on my pc

so i can just leave it blank?

[fallow tusk]

yep

[fallow tusk]

I assume you are going to use the entire hard disk on the laptop - you're not dual booting?

[slender plank]

nope

[fallow tusk]

And you're not likely to add more hard drives?

In which case first option is easiest

[slender plank]

okay

[fallow tusk]

LVM - logical volume manager. Allows you to use multiple hard drives so they look like a single device

[slender plank]

Recommended here?

[fallow tusk]

Go with option 1 for now.

Personally I prefer having /home on a separate partition.

/home is where all your user files will be stored - i.e. the stuff that isn't going to get reinstalled if you want to start over

Things like configuration files will live there, too.

[fallow tusk]

Yeah, doesn't particularly matter, but generally choose somewhere close to you.

[slender plank]

can i just do my country?

[fallow tusk]

Yeah

[slender plank]

and then deb.debian.org?

[fallow tusk]

Yep

I just went with the defaults. They're good enough for starters

There's a utility that will allow you to measure the speed of package repos and select the best based on that....but I'm not sure there's huge benefits

;)

[slender plank]

Okau now i get to choose a DE

[fallow tusk]

Woo!

[slender plank]

leave it like this?

[fallow tusk]

Your choice, but I prefer KDE over GNOME.

I also like LXQt/LXDE for a lightweight install.

I'd suggest adding the SSH server - that will let you communicate with the laptop from your PC, too.

Again, all of this you can add (or remove) later.

When you press go, it may then be time for a cup of coffee. (It used to take hours. Mine's been going for a while now, but I selected several DEs to play with)

[slender plank]

okay and for the display manager gdm3 or sddm

[fallow tusk]

Ah, you chose both GNOME and KDE? GDM is gnome's, SDDM is KDE's. You can use either, it'll just be the look-and-feel at startup

It'll be the thing you see as your login screen and allows you to select your user and which DE to use.

And to preempt a question: the answer to the GRUB prompt is "YES" ;) and /dev/sda (your one and only(?) disk)

I'm off to grab a coffee. bbiab

This is SDDM