unix

[foggy laurel]

Windows Developers 11

they would have to rebuild all their tooling

or just build a DE for Linux and call it a day

[prime magnet]

this is actually what I mean

[summer trail]

Yes, Rapberry Pi is Linux, but Arduino isn't. Arduino devices don't run an OS at all. They're microcontrollers. The software you write for them is firmware that's executed as soon as the device boots up. On an Arduino, your software is the OS. There's no OS above your software managing it.

[foggy laurel]

Done

[prime magnet]

basically port their corporate tooling

[wise forge]

Windows Subsystem for Linux 😏

[prime magnet]

I use it but it still sucks

[wise forge]

indeed. better to use Pure Linux. and leaving Windows for dual boot in case it ever needed

[fluid warren]

Nah windows fucks up booting if you don't disable fast boot so it stays in a VM

[wise forge]

i keep my Windows on a separate SSD of a 256gb size 😏 and during its installation i made sure to turn off physical drive with Linux just to be sure

[foggy laurel]

I gave up on WIndows. It's just sitting on my old SSD that came with my computer

[foggy laurel]

same

[fluid warren]

Windows doesn't deserve an ssd

[foggy laurel]

Well, I don't have any more HDD's lying around

[prime magnet]

I haven´t installed Windows since a friend gave me to try Debian on a CD (it was sarge, around 2002). I continue using it because companies force me to do it from their machines

[fluid warren]

A CD is wild

[fickle granite]

CD's are luxury! Why, in my day, we had to install the operating system from punched paper tape!

You try telling that to today's youth, and they won't believe you!

[fluid warren]

That's insane

I only knew about like having to use 15 floppy disks

[fickle granite]

https://tenor.com/bMLBa.gif

[fluid warren]

A bootable USB must be magic to you

[prime magnet]

imagine you back there seeing this

[fickle granite]

I'd say "there's something sticking out of the edge of your weird folding drinks tray"

and "why does your drinks try have a keyboard"

[tribal finch]

Just a point of clarity - the /bin vs /usr/bin divide was never about commonality. It had to do with partitioning, in the dark ages when disks were tiny and slow - you would partition the faster parts of the disk and put the booting and core binaries there. Other stuff would be on other partitions, or not even on a disk at all, maybe some other storage medium

[tribal finch]

It really doesn’t, it’s great

I’m not sure by what objective metrics one can say that

• full linux kernel
• can run systemd
• can run GUI applications
• can run DEs
• paravirtualized so it fairly performant
• transparent and seamless integration with windows
• installation is as simple as wsl --install

[prime magnet]

if you measure it by the capacity of having Linux inside Windows, then it's great. But it's like watching a bad movie that describes a good movie. I'm still forced to the rest of the things I don't like. Probably this is more a complain to my company directives than WSL.

[tribal finch]

If i measure by the ability to be linux or do linux things, it’s pretty great too ;)

[prime magnet]

I'm not sure. I wanted this (and it was not as easy as wsl --install) : Since I prefer Linux desktops, and since my company has a corporate VPN software, I wanted to use my Windows laptop as proxy using WSL, a linux thing right?, I tried hard using X11, VNC, but it was really really hard, most of the guides require somewhat skills and still it didn't work. Actually it worked when I tunneled ssh but it was too slow. I will continue using WSL because that's the best I can get at the moment, I do wish WSL continue growing and include more and more features. I remember WSL 1 was really hard to setup Docker, now it is easier. Perhaps version 3 will allow UI interfaces to run smoothly so I can focus on the good movie and forget the bad movie 🙂

[tribal finch]

wsl --install it should be these days

I tried hard using X11, VNC, but it was really really hard, most of the guides require somewhat skills and still it didn't work
can you elaboriate? Were you trying to run an X11 application locally, or forwarding it from a remote system?

[prime magnet]

I wanted to install a UI deskop in WSL and forwarded it to a remote Linux desktop. That way I will access to private networking resources of Windows from my Linux laptop. I don't recall all the details of what I tried to accomplish this be honest.

[tribal finch]

oh, that's a little complicated, lol.

might have been better to just use a local desktop + SOCKS proxy

[prime magnet]

you mean to setup a SOCKS proxy on WSL and access it from the local desktop?

[tribal finch]

Yup

[prime magnet]

I would need to see if I can access to WSL via LAN. Thanks for the suggestion 🙂

[tribal finch]

Good luck!

[rotund girder]

If my only option was the windows laptop we get, I would only do whiteboard work 🥸

[prime magnet]

my wife would accidentally kill me

[rotund girder]

Everything on windows is so sloooow. Microsoft Teams made a big event about their launching time going down to something like 8 seconds. It's a chat client!..

[final island]

wtf.......

eight seconds???

[fluid warren]

I'd assume I have malware if a chat client took 8 seconds to launch

[rotund girder]

Well ...

[fickle granite]

corporate virus checker maybe

Maybe they expect you to launch it once when you log in, and leave it running

[fluid warren]

I feel like with windows boot times (and the existence of fastboot) implies ms doesn't expect users to care about restarting often

I mean ffs most users still think there's a risk in shutting your pc down with the button

[rotund girder]

The checkers and oberserver software are the malware 😐

[final island]

lmaoooo

[scarlet lynx]

Hi, im looking for help compiling python 3.12 on Rh7 / CentOS7 does anyone had expereince with that? Please ping me

[scarlet pivot]

@main olive hello brother

[fickle granite]

@scarlet lynx not directly, but I've done it on Debian. You almost certainly want to check out pyenv or uv, since those know how to build from source on various platforms

[twin karma]

I want to use qubes with devpod. Particularly for a webdev IDE + web browser. Is this possible and/or advisable

Building on windows and/or lubuntu, but devpod so maybe build in qubes when set-up

[fluid warren]

Why do you need qubes?

[clever phoenix]

Anyone think they can help

Im on windows 10 and when ever i launch a game after like 1-2 minutes both my monitors go black and the audio is cut off but my pc is still on? Any fixes? no idea if this is related to this channel either

[rotund girder]

I would try to monitor used cpu and used memory while the game is running.

Does this happen even if the game is not in full screen mode?

And no, this is not a windows channel, but also, there is no windows channel here I would assume 🫠

You can try Linux instead 😉

[formal pasture]

Hi! Does anyone know if a daemon process does not appear in launchctl list on MacOS, does it mean that it, in fact, is not a daemon?

[clever phoenix]

I reseated the gpu aand it seems to be working fine now

Holy shit right as I said that

It stopped

[spark mulch]

Depends what you mean by daemon. It might mean that it's not a launchd-controlled daemon, but "daemon" usually refers to any (permanent-ish) process that's not connected to any terminal.

[nimble socket]

Hi everyone, I created a new repo to install many applications on Ubuntu with Ansible, because when you have a new Ubuntu PC, you need to install all your applications - this is link: https://github.com/marquitobb/ansible_ubuntu/tree/develop (I'm open to feedback)

[undone idol]

Can I stop making virtual environment everytime I have to run jupyter, python3 and other commands in the new Ubuntu 24.04 ?

[lapis cloud]

Generally speaking you'd only make one venv (per project, etc), not one every time you want to run something. But otherwise, uhh, I guess you can use pyenv instances instead of virtualvenvs.

[undone idol]

Do you have any guide or website link on how to use it

[lapis cloud]

Not besides their docs, no

[twin karma]

I don't need qubes, but that is ideal security. Curious about alternative qubes-like treatment for containerizing browser and extensions

[rotund girder]

I heard you like containers, so I put a Snap in your Flatpak in your Appimage.

[final island]

nooooo :c

[primal crown]

Install snackfak.app

[scarlet lynx]

Yeah did it in previous week, thanks got it working

[meager elm]

I'm trying to find an alternative library to xinput-python that works in Linux. My mail goal is to get a library that I can use in Blender to control animations with an xbox controller. Found this addon, but it only supports windows. Anyone know of any decent alternatives? Sorry if this is the wrong channel for this sort of question.

[wise forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/comments/zn3fk7/any_crossplatform_alternatives_to_xinput/
Try checking answers to query "reddit xinput-python alternatives"

perhaps u will find what u seek

[meager elm]

Sheesh can't believe I missed that. Thanks!

[ionic birch]

does anyone know tkinter??

[rigid nacelle]

what you guys think is more configurable from an user's point of view? Arch or gentoo?

for example, if I wanted to add a keyboard shortcut at system level, would it be possible without actually recompiling the kernel in any of them or not?

[final island]

you can make a system level remap in /usr/share/x11/xkb I think

[rigid nacelle]

I'll search it up

[barren temple]

My Linux doesnt boot. Cant access bios either. Even motherboard led doesnt light up. Linux sucks.

[primal crown]

I very much doubt Linux did that. It’s not going to destroy your mother board or stop you accessing bios. Bios boots before OS, regardless what OS’s are installed.

[barren temple]

Ik. But it was Powered By Linux. Now it isnt. 😅

[slim mason]

Hey if your motherboard led doesn't light up, check if you are powering it and also check if your bios battery is ok ^^

[barren temple]

I think the psu is goner

Goes into warranty. Piece of shit power if it broke this soon

[slim mason]

You could check if it is running using a multitester

Check the voltage

But don't fry yourself on the
12 volt DC
Haha

[fickle granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85xwZ_OLX0

[formal pasture]

Hey! Does anyone know if path.getctime is faster then open(file)?

[formal pasture]

And whether path.getctime is less taxing then opening a file?

[astral grove]

it should be. But the only way to find out for sure is to test/benchmark :)

[fickle granite]

that is always the answer to questions like "is X faster than Y"

[slim mason]

"It depends on the environment and other factors"

It always depends on how you want to use it

[barren temple]

I was about to start taking off cables from the back of the thing. I took out usb-keyboard, and wroom it goes. 😮

wasn't psu. My keyboard ate all the electrons

I wonder if my keyboard is linux powered. I could blame that.

[final island]

:o

[barren temple]

I was like... Okkay. This is possible also.

[opal lynx]

hey guys. how do you think, is it bad practice to write bash scripts like that:

SCRIPT_DIR=$(dirname "$(realpath "$0")")
cd "$SCRIPT_DIR"
... do work

the idea is to make script's directory the working directory
i often do that because i prefer to rely on script's context, for me it's cleaner, but i always feel like i'm doing it just wrong way..

[final island]

what I recommend instead is to use full paths, maybe using a variable that you prepend

dir=~/.local/share/magazine
and then
cat "$dir/a" for example

but that's more of a personal preference

[final island]

I don't think this should be bad, but I write fish shell, it might be solving some annoyances for me without me knowing they exist in bash

[spark mulch]

Yeah, by default bash just replaces unknown variables with the empty string, so with rm -r "$dir/* you're one typo away from disaster.

(This actually happened to Steam)

[fickle granite]

I do this all the time

[final island]

interesting!

[opal lynx]

great approach too, but i agree with @spark mulch it's error-prone (i often do such mistakes 🐒 )

[opal lynx]

spooky! 🎃

[opal lynx]

it's nice to know i'm not alone!

i think i like this way because of this is like python scripts work. when you run the script, it's working dir is location of the script

[final island]

wait really? that's actually quite surprising

never noticed that

[opal lynx]

nevermind, i've just checked it and that's not true 😣

bash and python work same

[fickle granite]

and yet every newbie on the planet assumes it works that way, leading to zillions of questions like "why can't my script open that file; it's RIGHT THERE

[final island]

oh thank god

[final island]

yeah 100% it's not intuitive

I just happened to get used to it and make use of it

but the other way around would be more intuitive definitely (while I'm not saying it would be better)

[fickle granite]

I would like to propose that the "can't find file" exception include the current directory, to help newbies; but I assume that making a proposal to the core python team would take an insane amount of effort

[spark mulch]

Mostly looking up if it was proposed before, and then post on python-ideas.

[fickle granite]

huh; what is "python-ideas"?

https://discuss.python.org/c/ideas/6 I guess

[fickle granite]

Thanks for the suggestion -- https://discuss.python.org/t/improve-filenotfounderror-by-adding-a-note-that-includes-the-current-directory/69785 fwiw

[unique tundra]

Anyone develops with Pytorch/Tensforflow in Python using Fedora?

I think I had come a fine installation of the necessary nvidia drivers for the gpu accelerated Pytorch version. However.. from time to time I get this
KeyboardInterrupt
The X11 connection broke: No error (code 0)
XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server ":0"
after 2029 requests (2029 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

I haven't gotten much online, could this be a gpu problem?

[torn geyser]

Might want to set up shellcheck

I think it might be good to use || exit or similar here.

And a if [[ -z "${var}" ]]; then ... for checking empty stdout, probably.

[shrewd stratus]

this test will always return false, wouldn't it?
since the SCRIPT_DIR is calculated using the script's path

perhaps a check for $var being / would be helpful instead

[torn geyser]

Mm. dirname is expected to always print something if successful, even with --help.

So, might be vacous here.

[lethal hill]

How can I install pygtk2 for python2? I've tried using pip2, python2 -m pip, and so on and nothing worked. FWIW I use Fedora 41

[fickle granite]

I don't know, but you should think about why you want to install anything for python2. It's very old and unsupported.

[lethal hill]

software im trying to install is written in python2

[fickle granite]

again, I'd think about using that software at all; who knows what vulnerabilities it has

[lapis cloud]

wdym "nothing worked"? how did it "not work"?

[lethal hill]

It’s a gnu project called solfage. I don’t know any free alternative

[lethal hill]

pip2 not being defined, me not able (=? not knowing how) to install it, etc.

[lapis cloud]

it's just called pip. of course, make sure first it refers to the python2 one

depending on the distribution you might not even have python2 installed - a lot of distros these days ship only with python3, don't know about fedora.

in which case you'd want to install pyenv* and install python2 using it
* not the only way, of course, but it's the one I prefer since it doesn't involve any changes to the global python installation

[lethal hill]

I’m not sure, but I have it installed. Thank you for the suggestion; I’ll try doing that once I’m home 🙏

[fickle granite]

Ah. Well, I predict, that unless you port that package into the 21st century, you're stuck.

[lapis cloud]

interestingly enough:

and the changelog for these new versions mentions "Fix day-of-week for changelog entry 3.11.3-1.", so (ah, that's not a python version, nevermind) maybe someone already ported it

oh dear, I think it predates setup.py. how do I even install or launch this

[lapis cloud]

and some files in it suggest it supports python 3.4

in fact it seems to need python3, I think, because I can't run ./configure with python2

@lethal hill it launches at least. Here's what to do:

• grab solfege_3.23.4.orig.tar.gz from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/plucky/+source/solfege
• use an old python3 version (I used 3.9 and it worked, but I suspect it'd be better to use something even older like 3.6 if you can install it)
• run ./configure in the source code folder. Install dependencies until it stops screaming at you (in my case, texinfo).
• run make. Install dependencies until it stops screaming at you (in my case pip install PyGObject)
• run as python ./solfege.py.
  That's enough to make it launch. I seem to be missing some programs like timidity for it to actually play sounds, which I don't want to install.

[noble ingot]

Hello

I want to setup python on nvim but I don't know which lsp to choose

[rotund girder]

I run pylsp and ruff

[final island]

I would recommend basedpyright + ruff

yep, two lsps at once

[rotund girder]

Got any comparison on pylsp and basedpyright?

[final island]

not exactly; I just found pylsp lackluster while basedpyright does more about ensuring types

[noble ingot]

What is the difference between basedpyright and regular pyright?

Also, I'm not sure how to configure the lsp correctly, I get many errors in snippets that are fine with pycharm and vscode

Mostly related to type validation

I wish I could find which parameters are used by default by pylance

[astral grove]

https://docs.basedpyright.com/latest/benefits-over-pyright/new-diagnostic-rules/ (though obviously biased). They don't release as insanely frequent as pyright does, but they seem to be active

though that's not directly related to pylsp

[astral grove]

this sounds more like configuration for your type checker than about configuring the lsp. Ideally you should have that configured in your pyproject.toml and checked by pre-commit/CI, and not depend on lsp or IDE settings.

though idk if it's even possible to do that with pylance, I wanted to check some things with it but when I didn't find any obvious ways to run it in CLI I gave up

all repos I contribute to use mypy or pyright

[carmine hazel]

I uSe ArCh bTw

[stark sleet]

Hi guys, i need a help with a project i have in my mind , i was hoping someone could help

Please dm , i just want to know a roadmap of creating a linux distribution

[foggy laurel]

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/

Just be aware it requires hours if not days of compiling software

[fluid warren]

LFS is not a distribution to be clear

[foggy laurel]

I'm aware

[fluid warren]

id honestly suggest a bare gentoo if you really want to make a distro

[foggy laurel]

They said they wanted to make a distro, and lfs can give you an idea of how the process would go, you still need to maintain packages and stuff like that unless you're basing off another distro

[fluid warren]

gentoo gives almost the exact same learning without manually running every single command

and you can use binaries if you dont want to spend 3 hours compiling the kernel

and it has a godly PM so you dont need to worry about dep conflicts

you can really go in any direction off a fresh gentoo install and make your own distro

chromeOS for example

[late marsh]

is anyone online here

?

[fickle granite]

nobody here but us zombie processes

[tawdry fjord]

Real

[woeful blaze]

im installing linux mint with balena and keep getting the error "unable to spawn child processes"

[misty spindle]

hi,
despite using chmod 600 ec2-key-pair,
keep receiving this error:

Load key "ec2-key-pair": error in libcrypto
ec2-user@10.0.4.35: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).

[fickle granite]

perhaps the folder its in, or one of the parent folders, isn't readable and executable

try "strace"

[rotund girder]

In a project, say you have ~6 commands related to building/testing, how would you setup scripts to run this?

Hierarchy of Makefiles? Shellscripts? Combination? I'm thinking I would like something alike:

$ make generate
$ make generate2
$ make compile
$ make lint1
$ make lint2
$ make configure
$ make test_performance
$ make test_random_style_a
$ make test_random_style_b
$ make test_unittests 

[shrewd stratus]

instead of making an hierarchy of Makefiles (which would be unnecessarily complicated), perhaps look into Makefile's (or any other build/task system's) feature for task dependencies

@rotund girder, ^

[rotund girder]

The reason I want to have separate files to isolate each task (instead of getting one huge entangled makefile). Dependencies is like the first features of Makefiles, no? How would it help here?

What other task system would you recommend? I was slightly thinking of justfiles, but I would like to avoid new dependencies.

[shrewd stratus]

is each task really that big for one file to become unmaintainable?
since you know about how Makefiles work, you should know how importing other Makefiles can be a hassle
IMO, that'd be less readable and having the tasks in the same Makefile

[rotund girder]

I have not dealt with calling Makefiles from other Makefiles, if that has caveats, I would rather avoid it per your suggestion.

[rotund girder]

Some task is very messy, it could perhaps be cleaned up, but i would rather just tuck it away in a script.

Some are 5 lines of bashscript, which I know better than makefile syntax. So I'm a bit afraid of tripping over makefile string handling 🙈

[fickle granite]

https://just.systems/man/en/

I started with a single bash script

it got more and more complex

eventually I replaced it with a justfile. Yes, it's an extra dependency; but it works very nicely

[rotund girder]

Yes thanks, just is the only option I know about that I might wanna use. Introducing new dependencies is not ideal though. So gotta weigh pros and cons 👍

[fickle granite]

behold

[rotund girder]

It's nice to get targets and therefore automatic completion in command line

[rotund girder]

This is your justfile?

[fickle granite]

that is my justfile

[rotund girder]

It's just a file. 🧠

[fickle granite]

indeed

as is most software

[rotund girder]

What difference does [script('bash')] do?

[rotund girder]

Sorry, I'm just being a clown 🤡

[fickle granite]

as are most nerds 🤣

[fickle granite]

that lets you write a multi-line script, in the language of your choice. The default is a single-line bash script

you can use python or anything else if you want

[rotund girder]

Ah, so as soon as I want more than one line I need a script tag 👍

[fickle granite]

yep

it's a pretty nice system. It's actively maintained and improved, docs are pretty good, fairly portable

[rotund girder]

Yeah, I think I found just too early last time. I was interested but a colleague at work said "why?" and I couldn't motivate it.

[fickle granite]

I rarely have to touch my justfile any more; but if I were still using a pile of shell functions, I bet I'd still be fiddling with them

[rotund girder]

I think there is a use case now.

Might be suitable for a team learning session.

[rotund girder]

How come? Are the just recipes more flexible or more easy to get correct than shell functions?

[fickle granite]

I guess the latter.

I think the real benefit I'm getting from the justfile is the simple list of dependencies for each recipe. You'd think that'd be easy enough to do with shell functions, but for some reason I was always getting those wrong.

[rotund girder]

Thanks for sharing your experience 🙂

[fickle granite]

also, of course, new toys are kewl

[finite shard]

am new to linux i thought wsl will be the gateWay to explore but programs taking too much time to download most of my house i am just downloading packages that are roughly of some Mbs are talking house to download i search youtube , web all soulutions are graphical that includes changing mirror but since am on wsl2 on windows i have to deal with terminal so kinda take a look and guide me as am someone who's just getting started and it's already too frustrating

any Unix/Linux expert here

?

[fickle granite]

I didn't quite understand what you said, but it seems your downloads are too slow. Are you running "apt"?

[wise forge]

Do you have ultra slow internet? 🤔 what's its speed

[finite shard]

SIR ON windows download speed is upto 400 mbps

but problem is with WSL 2 only

tired of reading threads on internet , watching youtube finally ended up here

[finite shard]

yes sudo apt for installing programms and speed is super slow but on windows the download speeds are upto 400mbps

[wise forge]

what's your country? 🤔 do you use vpn or smth
is it your home internet or some kind of university internet with weird configuration

[finite shard]

india , and not using vpn

[wise forge]

Windows slow internet.... it something tells me hmm

there are two choices for the problem

1. wsl2 is not having proper drivers installed for network

2. it is smth windows specific my memory flashes smth abou tit

[wise forge]

https://discord.gg/devops-sre-infrastructure-419745677585940482
try asking the question there is Linux or Windows channels (or both, link in one of channes msg to anothe rone). they should remember better than me

[finite shard]

thankyou sir lemme try there

[wise forge]

On my part i can advice taking USB, making Live USB installer out of it for Ubuntu. (with Rufus or smth)
Launching it in "Preview" mod (booting from usb) without installation and for fun checking internet speed in this way. You can preview ubuntu usage in an almost full way without its installing

That could help narrowing down source of issue
If internet slow speed will be present => than issue is installing Internet drivers specific to your thing for Linux
if it will be not present => then smth windows specific to wsl2

[finite shard]

sir i just tested internet speed with speedtest cli , internet speeds are fine same as windows but installing packages through apt is troubling me

that is taking for ever some packages in kilobytes also taking so much time downloading

i installed WSL to increase productivity but rather it is slowing me down

[wise forge]

In the mean time try also disablign Windows Defender in particular its Real time protection. and then run test, that could help too

[wise forge]

WSL2 has advantages and disadvantages of both worlds 😅
Weird issues on the edge between two OSes.
Not yet fully linux, not yet left windows. Some limbo in between

[fickle granite]

I wonder if BatMan's /etc/apt/sources.list points to servers that are "far away"

[finite shard]

how to change them

sir

[fickle granite]

not sure. First you'd want to see if that's really the problem.

Can you paste that file here?

[finite shard]

wait

command not found

[fickle granite]

type cat /etc/apt/sources.list; paste the output

!code

[shy yoke]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[finite shard]

Ubuntu sources have moved to the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.sources

file, which uses the deb822 format. Use deb822-formatted .sources files

to manage package sources in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.

See the sources.list(5) manual page for details.

[fickle granite]

hmm

[finite shard]

should i just reinstall wsl 2?

or other distro?

[wise forge]

I bet on Windows Defender real time protection
Or not fully compatible network drivers

probably the first one

[finite shard]

i turned it off

[fickle granite]

could be; I don't know how to fix either of those

[finite shard]

i think problem is with mirrors

as i was watching yt videos

they were changing mirrors graphically

and speeds increases but i don't know how to do that from terminal

no information bout this on web

[fickle granite]

do ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.sources; paste the output

[wise forge]

Give a try to disable ipv6 also
Some people had this as source of problem https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/8171

Or actually try all recipes from this Github issue 😄 it has multiple ones

[finite shard]

Thank you sir i should try everything if nothing works i will just install another distro

[fickle granite]

I doubt that will help

[pliant storm]

ubuntu is more windows than linux

[frosty gazelle]

Is there anyone with a Mac that has gnupg/GPG installed via homebrew? I am looking for someone to test my terminal app that simplifies the process of encrypting and decrypting.

Project Website:
https://ezgpg.tyguy47.net/

GitHub Repo if you want to build it from source code:
https://github.com/Tyguy047/EzGPG

[worn shore]

Any libraries that can control fan speeds on linux? Im reading rpms and temps with psutils but as far as I can tell there isnt any fan control libs

[shut pivot]

Try using pwmconfig and fancontrol

[night night]

Why can’t you dereference twice in one instruction in NASM?

[buoyant siren]

!pban 1301386861004062741 spam

[shy yoke]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @river rampart permanently.

[tribal finch]

ohai, fancy meeing you here :)

[wise forge]

😇 cozy community. Plus Stockholm syndrome due python being main work language for last 4 years

[tribal finch]

Haha, yeah :)

[rotund girder]

Is python holding you as a hostage?

[wise forge]

Blinking furiously to hint being held hostage 😅
Sort of yes for now

i don't wish to quit my job, despite it being heavily python one

not the best time to change it

and the current job has many advantages regarding their coding workflow standards

not wishing to downgrade myself to lower stuff. in this situation usage of python i see as acceptable evil

[steep ingot]

https://github.com/desultory/sys_gpio/blob/main/src/sys_gpio/pin.py

how do i handle interruputs with gpio rise/fall?

https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio/sysfs.txt

[fickle granite]

please delete all but one of the copies of this message

[feral fiber]

If you need to deal with hardware interrupts then Python may be not the most appropriate language. Interrupt routines are supposed to be as fast as possible to avoid hijacking hardware resources as much as possible. Running complex code from within interrupts is prone to (though not limited to) crash the entire system. If your system is fast enough you could poll hardware interrupt flags instead but with scripted languages there's no guarantee the code never misses an event.

Compiled languages such as C/C++, Rust (just to name a few) are more appropriate. However handling interrupts requires extreme care as to avoid corrupting the entire application and often requires a different programming approach. I'd strongly recommend learning about the context of hardware interrupts and their implications, as well as how to write efficient interrupt handlers first.

[steep ingot]

it's just getting an interrupt on a gpio pin file, just as a signal. it doesn't need to act that fast and it also needs to do stuff like debounce

i think it's fine, i've been running that code for several days now for testing and it does what it needs

[feral fiber]

Could you share the piece of code that you're talking about (which "works")?

And no, it's not fine to run an interpreter inside an interrupt. But without seeing the actual code, it's impossible to tell whether it does what you think it does the way you think it does, too.

[steep ingot]

i sent the code lol

https://github.com/desultory/sys_gpio/blob/main/src/sys_gpio/pin.py#L109-L115

[shy yoke]

src/sys_gpio/pin.py lines 109 to 115

def poll_value(self, timeout=5):
    """Polls the value of the pin"""
    from select import select

    with open(self.pin_path / "value", "rb") as f:
        f.read()
        readable, _, exceptional = select([], [], [f], timeout)```

[steep ingot]

it literally just does that

[muted iris]

Hello, interested about your opinions / habits for your dev environment. Wich OS / tools do you use and why ?

[muted iris]

Do you advice Gentoo ? What make you choose this distribution ? Pros, maybe cons ?

[steep ingot]

it's excellent as a "development environment"

esp if you're already compiling all of your own stuff

you don't have to compile tho

[heady heath]

I use arch btw!

.

[fickle granite]

Let me guess -- do you use Arch? 🤔

[plush oasis]

Anyone have any good sources for learning about setting up custom operating systems based off linux?
Such as raspbian

[steep ingot]

making one?

or using one?

[plush oasis]

Make one

[steep ingot]

i mean the point of gentoo is kinda sorta to make your own distro

[feral fiber]

The reason I asked is I don't see where interrupts are used in that code, which brings me to wonder if you are familiar with interrupts and how to handle them.

(Unless I missed something of course)

Anyway, I don't think I'll be reviewing hundreds of lines of code here.

Besides, like I said, scripting is one of the poorest choice to handle interrupts. You definitely want to stay away from that kind of implementation.

(Assuming what you're asking for is even possible)

[barren temple]

@plush oasis There is or was such a book as LFS (Linux From Scratch)

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

[steep ingot]

lol i sent a 10 line snippet

it literally just uses "select" to wait until it gets an interrput from a file

and continues

you've typed more than the portion of code you would need to review

but as i have said, it does not do anything "in the interrupt" it just waits for the interrupt and contineus

it's to check if a pin goes low during a period to know if it's ready to transmit

[steep ingot]

sir this is a python server

the code, again (colored this time)

it just runs "select" to block for abit

nothing to it

[feral fiber]

And so?

[steep ingot]

you're on a soapbox saying not to use python, in a python server

it's a bit out of place don't you think?

also if you want to get technical, that is really only like 3 lines of code

[feral fiber]

Oh, ok, then. My bad. Please use Python for anything you want. Sorry for the noise.

[steep ingot]

it works fine, in the 3 days you've been saying interrupts are somehow dangerous/bad in python, i've been using them and my code works more or less flawlessly, i get 2 transmissions/second and 1tx error out of every ~5k transmissions over LoRa in a population dense area, that is more than i need

[feral fiber]

Just being sarcastic.

FTR, no, being on a Python server doesn't mean your question is legit nor that the language necessarily is the best (let alone even remotely applicable). You're just expecting asking people with experience to confirm your own biases instead of guiding you towards a better implementation.

[steep ingot]

lol i proved python is applicable here

it works

you're telling me an interrput is somehow wrong and even possibly dangerous

i sent the code, please tell me how that may be dangerous

why would "select" be in the python stdlib if using it in a basic case can end horribly?

[steep ingot]

please substantiate this

i think you're talking out your ass tbh, sounds like normal "python bad" drivel, and you asked to look at my code and now refuse to comment on 3 lines of code

it's literally made for this you clown lol

[quiet seal]

@fair pike please try https://mxlinux.org it's a Debian derivitive

Manjaro is based from arch linux...

[fair pike]

okay

[quiet seal]

one of the cool things about linux is package managers you can install applications with a single command...

like sudo apt-get install vlc

[fair pike]

ph

oh

[quiet seal]

on debian based systems....

[fair pike]

is 115 gb usb stick enough

16gb ram rtx3050 amd ryzen 5500

[quiet seal]

of course there's also the GUI interface to the package manager

yeah you're fine. write mx linux to that usb stick and test it out. you don't have to install it

watch a youtube video on how to do it or read up on it...

[fair pike]

whats wrong with Ubuntu

[quiet seal]

Ubuntu has a special place in my heart as my first foray into linux was with Ubuntu 10.10...

but to me personally their Desktop Environment sucks

[fair pike]

wdym

[quiet seal]

try mx linux and debian and you will see. with VenToy you can put multiple distros on a single usb stick

@fair pike https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

[fair pike]

oh okay

[quiet seal]

use ventoy and go 'distro hopping'! happy trails!

[fair pike]

i can go into bios and change startup

[quiet seal]

yeah you'll need to press the keyboard KEY to bring up the boot menu and select the usb stick instead of your hdd

i'll hang around and help you out if you need it

[fair pike]

Fedora whats good about that

[quiet seal]

read their page... Fedora is bleeding edge kinda....

[fair pike]

I wanted to try linux so im less distracted during studying or learning as i barley know anything

[fair pike]

ive read it but dont know what it means by bleeding edge

[quiet seal]

bleeding edge refers to having the latest versions of the software

not necessarily stable....

[fair pike]

oh

why do the icons look so bad on linux can i change it

[quiet seal]

kinda like how there's nightly versions of software

it's bleeding edge...

[quiet seal]

you'll see. they aren't bad

so we have ubuntu, fedora, and mx linux....

that's 3 distros

with ventoy you can put all three of them on the usb stick as an ISO and choose which one you want to boot into

[fair pike]

looks nice

[fair pike]

can you help me

set it up

[quiet seal]

sure

step 1: download ventoy and put it on the usb stick

[fair pike]

aight

cant i use bios to do that

[quiet seal]

after ventoy installs to the usb stick there will be a usb folder in windows that you can put the linux ISO's in

[quiet seal]

we don't need the BIOS atm. gotta setup the usb stick first

[fair pike]

okay

which one

[quiet seal]

top one

https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_start.html look over this

[fair pike]

done

[quiet seal]

MAKE SURE YOU SELECT THE USB STICK!

[fair pike]

aight

[quiet seal]

yup, that looks like the usb stick

[quiet seal]

hahaha

now you should see a folder on the usb in the file manager. download and put the isos inside it

[fair pike]

is ventroy even safe

[quiet seal]

yes

[quiet seal]

how much free space does it say you have in that folder?

[quiet seal]

that's the one

put the downloaded iso's in that folder

[fair pike]

for the os?

[quiet seal]

yeah

[fair pike]

will it use my ssd storage?

[quiet seal]

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-linux/files/Final/Xfce/MX-23.4_x64.iso/download

[quiet seal]

your SSD won't be used

[fair pike]

okay

[quiet seal]

we aren't installing, just test-driving

[fair pike]

i wanna try ubuntu

[fair pike]

wont i be able to use it

long run

[quiet seal]

https://releases.ubuntu.com/24.04.1/ubuntu-24.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso

[quiet seal]

you can install if you choose to

[fair pike]

wdym

[quiet seal]

i would wait on installation though. there's things to consider beforehand

[fair pike]

I thought am installing the OS whilst keeping windows

[quiet seal]

not yet

[fair pike]

explain it please

[quiet seal]

well there's secureboot, UEFI and such....

also you need somewhere to install it. I'm guessing windows has your entire hdd taken up

so then there's the question... do you have another hdd/partition to install linux to?

[fair pike]

No clue

[quiet seal]

we can get into that later. don't you wanna take it for a spin first? a test-drive is a no commital action...

[fair pike]

for test drive

isnt that the same as installing

because you have to run it

[quiet seal]

no. installing is implying it will be put onto the hdd and ran/booted from. in this case we are booting/running from the USB stick

[fair pike]

yeah and store data on the USB stick

thats what i want to do

and leave windows as my main os

i can give it some of my storage from ssd which i dont mind

[quiet seal]

from that screenshot you've shown above you would need to resize C:\ so that you can install it and dual-boot. Persistant USB kinda sucks....

you can use GParted to resize C:\

[fair pike]

this stuffs long af

[quiet seal]

from within MX Linux....

[quiet seal]

???

[fair pike]

setting it up

how much storage would be needed

[quiet seal]

i mean you have plenty. you could give it 250GB

or 500GB

[fair pike]

thats so much

im not gonna be using it alot

[quiet seal]

i'm trying to tell you that you can just test it out without commiting

hell you can mount your C:\ partition if you wanna save something to it while testing

[fair pike]

cant i save on usb?

like make usb its own os with storage

[quiet seal]

setting that up is another can-o-worms

but yes it can be done

let me find the relevant documentation on that.....

[fair pike]

I can give it around 20 gb for storage

i dont store alot

i just want it for customization

[quiet seal]

read over this https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_disk_layout_gpt.html

see the purple? that could be your partition to save stuff to....

[fair pike]

if i install

can i delete it all

and get ALL of my storage back including usb

i wanna install it

real thing

[quiet seal]

i don't reccomend installing to the usb stick

do you have another usb stick lying around?

you could install it onto that

i gotta cook some food

be back in a few

[fair pike]

okay

ping me

i installed it what nexr

[quiet seal]

drive it!

@fair pike progress?

[steep ingot]

hmm

i can't get unshare to behave

unshare(CLONE_NEWNS | CLONE_NEWUSER) doesn't let me make mounts

[steep ingot]

nvm

[opal barn]

Ain't installling it

Linux is probs more laggy

And this stuff is long

Uninstalling the os is long aswell

[quiet seal]

Wtw are you talking about?

Did you plug the USB into a usb3 port?

[fair pike]

linux

[fair pike]

i got 3.0 usb

[fair pike]

you can also delete the ssd by mistake

[quiet seal]

Anything is possible by mistake

Stick to windows lol

[fair pike]

hm

[fair pike]

How much storage does it require

[main olive]

@fair pike hey how you doing

[fair pike]

good wbu

[main olive]

could you explain me what do you need help with?

[fair pike]

i got questions before installing

[main olive]

yes

go head

[fair pike]

How much storage does it require

Arch linux

[main olive]

Depends on type of booting

[fair pike]

wdym

[main olive]

What do you want?
Do you want to use linux only or linux with windows?

[fair pike]

linux with windows

I wanna use windows too

switch between them

[main olive]

That's called dual booting

[fair pike]

oh

How much storage will it take

[main olive]

How much do you have?

[fair pike]

How hard will it be to install and comepletly delete it

[fair pike]

1tb

[main olive]

And what type of storage it is?

[fair pike]

SSD

[main olive]

Good

You need create two partition of the 1tb

[fair pike]

will i be later to uninstall it

[main olive]

Prior to booting

[main olive]

What to uninstall?
Linux?

[fair pike]

yea

[main olive]

Yes

[fair pike]

How hard is it to setup

and will it be even smooth

than windows

[main olive]

On scale of 1 to 10 around 7

[fair pike]

damn

[main olive]

Yes it will be

[fair pike]

linux looks better

[odd plover]

depends on the distro you go with. something like Ubuntu is just point-and-click.

[fair pike]

Arch linux

Idk which one to go with

[odd plover]

I do not recommend Arch for a beginner, at all.

Nor do the Arch developers.

[main olive]

But I do

[fair pike]

I want the most control

I mean we can learn on the way

[main olive]

He want most control

and arch is intended for the same purpose

[fair pike]

Will i be able to make it look good

[main olive]

yes you will

You can use what every you like

like gnome or kde

[fair pike]

I just want a clean aethetic look thats smooth

[odd plover]

Unless you're willing to read and learn a lot proactively, Arch is not for you.

[fair pike]

i got 16gb ram rtx 3050 amd ryzen 5500

[fair pike]

I don't mind

[main olive]

Let him decide, either way he is going for dual booting not clean linux

[fair pike]

Will i have the same performance

[odd plover]

I'm providing information and advice to help them decide. Nothing beyond what the Arch devs themselves say.

[main olive]

Performance will be same

[fair pike]

Lets try it out

[main olive]

But its safer to dual boot just incase

[fair pike]

yeah

I wanna dual boot

Im keeping windows

[main olive]

So do you have usb?

[fair pike]

yeah

115

[main olive]

is it type 3?

[fair pike]

yeah

supports 3.1

[main olive]

Good

So you have any idea how to download iso and flash it?

Or completely new to linux?

[fair pike]

Complety new to linux

I have sued

used

kali

[fair pike]

Download rufus select iso let it format

then boot into bios

and launch into the usb

[quiet drift]

Pop!_OS btw

[fair pike]

whats that

[main olive]

@fair pike here's the difference

[fair pike]

?

[main olive]

Arch has to be configured

[fair pike]

yeah ive seen it

[odd plover]

it's a user-friendly distro developed on top of Ubuntu by System 76, a company that sells Linux hardware.

[fair pike]

oh

[main olive]

If things went wrong during configuration, then its all messed up

ubuntu is ready made for beginner

[fair pike]

Imma stick to windows i cant lie

Imma take some time and decide

[main olive]

No

[quiet drift]

@fair pike you have backed up the files you care about though, right?

[main olive]

I mean if you can configure it go with arch

Else use kido(beginner friendly) distro

[fair pike]

Got nothing to save

All i got is some games chrome and apps

vsc python node etc

[main olive]

Okay here's thing

what distor you want to use?

[fair pike]

Imma stick to windows

for now

[main olive]

A bro why ?

[fair pike]

No clue

[main olive]

have some guts and try linux

[fair pike]

I wanted linux because i think its smoother and looks better

[main olive]

Yes it is

[fair pike]

Less distractions when studying ig

[main olive]

Yes

[fair pike]

less apps

[main olive]

Okay

@fair pike So I would recommend you to use manjaro linux

its based on arch

[fair pike]

wdym

[main olive]

but easy to setup and install

[fair pike]

so its arch but its easy to setup

[main olive]

And its pre configured

[fair pike]

has everything of arch but setup is easy

[main olive]

so don't have to configure one

[main olive]

yes

[fair pike]

lets try it out

[main olive]

You can change those things later on

[fair pike]

if i dont like it i can uninstall anyways

[main olive]

if you want to

[fair pike]

lets go

[main olive]

Of course

Install manjaro linux?

[fair pike]

yeah

[main olive]

https://manjaro.org/

Make sure to create partition before

[fair pike]

tell me how to

https://manjaro.org/products/download/x86

which one

[main olive]

Heres the things

[fair pike]

?

[main olive]

Kde , gnome ,..
These are environment (GUI in simple terms)

So its all about preference

[fair pike]

oh

[main olive]

Search kde and gnome , etc and look at Ui

[fair pike]

aight

[main olive]

Which you prefer go with it

They have different animations , controls, etc

[fair pike]

which ones the most customizable

[main olive]

So its not just look but experience

[fair pike]

I want it smoot af

[main olive]

For arch I would consider kde

Gnome is good but I personally like kde

[fair pike]

can i do something like this with kde

[main olive]

Yes you can

[fair pike]

lets go with kde

[main olive]

But gnome is different and kde is different

[main olive]

This video is about gnome

[fair pike]

yeah

Imma try kde

[main olive]

I suppose you want gnome?

[fair pike]

kde

[odd plover]

if you already have a GNOME customization tutorial that you like I don't see why you wouldn't just install GNOME and follow the instructions though.
like it is possible to replicate (approximately) that look in KDE, but you already have a source for doing it in GNOME.

[main olive]

Yeah me too but again its all about preference

Either of them can be customized

[main olive]

Okay

Go ahead and install it and flash it

[fair pike]

i got kde ones too

[main olive]

Great

@fair pike Have you created partition?

For linux?

[fair pike]

Nope

[main olive]

Do you know how to do so?

[fair pike]

no

So basically

[odd plover]

You can create and resize partitions in the installer. That's what I generally prefer to do rather than messing with it from Windows (which can't read or recognize Linux filesystems).

[fair pike]

I dont download alot of files or save them its mostly apps

i would just do like 50gb

more than enough

[main olive]

Hmm

Yeah he can

[fair pike]

whats a safe option

50gb

[main olive]

During installation setup

When you reach partition :
Choose : Create or Resize Partitions (Manual Partitioning)

[fair pike]

okay

Do you guys regret switching from windows to linux

[main olive]

No

Cause I use both

[fair pike]

oh damn

[main olive]

Create New Partitions

Root (/):
Filesystem: ext4 (recommended).
Size: At least 20 GB (more is better).
Mount point: /.
Swap (optional):
Size: Equal to your RAM size (or up to 8 GB).
Type: Swap.
Home (/home):
Filesystem: ext4.
Size: Use remaining space for personal files.
EFI Partition (if using UEFI):
Size: 300–500 MB.
Filesystem: FAT32.
Mount point: /boot/efi.
Apply Changes
Confirm your changes and proceed.

[fair pike]

So when i use linux i want it to use all my resources as windows is not being used

like 16gb ram

@opal barn ignore

[odd plover]

that's what dual boot does.

[fair pike]

good

[fair pike]

You gotta walk me through it

[main olive]

wdym?

[fair pike]

Setting it up

[main olive]

Do you use laptop or desktop?

[fair pike]

Desktop

gaming pc

[main olive]

Even with 16GB of RAM, it’s recommended to have some swap space for system stability (e.g., hibernation, handling unexpected memory spikes, or crash prevention). If you're not using hibernation, a smaller swap size is sufficient.

Without Hibernation: Set 2-4 GB of swap.
With Hibernation: Swap size should match or exceed your RAM size (16GB in your case).

[fair pike]

huh

[main olive]

Now its upto you

[fair pike]

How much ram do i give it

i want to make sure its safe

incase anything wrong

[main olive]

Use all

Swap ensures that your system doesn't crash, just incase if it exceeds rams

[fair pike]

okay

what if linux crashes or something

[main olive]

But by defualt linux wants to use all of resource as possible

[fair pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK7gal3Wrtk

this looks so niceeeeeeeee

never knew linux has so much control

[main olive]

rarely happens but state will be maintained in most cases

[fair pike]

this is all i want

i wish i can only use keyboard and not mosue

[main olive]

that hyperland Ig

[fair pike]

whats that

can i do it with kde

whats dot files

[main olive]

Watch tutorials

[fair pike]

after seeing how linux looks windows sucks

[main olive]

You will have idea what you can with it

[main olive]

No its not

[fair pike]

can i install 2 themes at once and switch between them

nearly done

ive installed iso

[fair pike]

should i use rufus

[main olive]

have you downloaded iso?

[fair pike]

yeah

[main olive]

yes

make sure that rufus setting must be defualt

[fair pike]

Should i continue

@main olive

wtf just happend

[feral fiber]

They're literally files that begin wit a dot (e.g. .filename) and correspond to hidden files on a Linux filesystem. See https://thelinuxcode.com/dotfiles-a-beginners-guide/ for deeper information.

[main olive]

@fair pike I would recommend you to use balena etcher in this case

[fair pike]

okay

[feral fiber]

I see no problem there.

[feral fiber]

Your USB key has been "formated" like a CDROM drive, it's typical with flashing a flash drive with an ISO image.

And it's completely normal.

[main olive]

Creator has not made it compatible with typical file copying process , i guess balena etcher will work

[fair pike]

how do i delete it tho

i pressed eject and it went

anywyas

[quiet seal]

What happened to Ventoy? You're just 'lost in the sauce' :-p

[fair pike]

idk

[feral fiber]

Your USB flash drive is now recognized as a DVD ROM, it's perfectly normal, there's nothing wrong with that. That's the result of flashing it with an ISO image.

[fair pike]

i deleted it..

using fletecher etcher thingy now

[feral fiber]

It's going to look exactly the same.

[fair pike]

oh

[fair pike]

.

[main olive]

@fair pike Could you share the complete SS?

Not just a snippet

[feral fiber]

It's information not an error.

[main olive]

Why?

I mean go to your file explorer and click ss

[main olive]

Have you ejected your usb?

[fair pike]

yeah

you said to you the etcher thingy

[main olive]

But wihtout usb

[fair pike]

?

[main olive]

Where you are flashing ?

[fair pike]

to the usb

[main olive]

How?

[fair pike]

wdym how

i selected usb because that was the only option

on etcher

[main olive]

Okay

[feral fiber]

And that's normal, all these tools are made to create bootable USB flash drives!

[fair pike]

its nearly done

75%

[main olive]

Somehow balena recognize the usb that is plugged in but you have ejected it from windows thats confusing

[fair pike]

i ejected the dvd looking logo

this one

[main olive]

Yeah that was your usb

I suppose

[fair pike]

its done

[feral fiber]

See? Exactly the same results with Rufs as with Etcher. That's normal.

[main olive]

Okay my bad!
D is your usb

[fair pike]

yea

[main olive]

You doing right

Its was my fault, I got confused

[fair pike]

OOps

i ended the process by mistake

[main olive]

Really?

[fair pike]

yeah

bruh

now what

flashing it again

[main olive]

Your sure like to troll us

[fair pike]

aint joking

[feral fiber]

What do you think Etcher is going to give as a result?

[fair pike]

no clue

[feral fiber]

That thing is a tool to make a USB drive bootable, that is boot your computer with it

[fair pike]

yeah i know

[feral fiber]

You won't get Linux installed on your computer by magic

[fair pike]

ik

[feral fiber]

then why on Earth are you flashing your drive again?

[quiet seal]

I know, let's have a spelling bee! lmao....

[fair pike]

because i cancelled it at the middle

of the process

[feral fiber]

well...

[main olive]

He ended process by mistake and at first rufus process was halted

[feral fiber]

Had they booted their computer with the image flashed the first time, they wouldn't have lost all that time 😄

[quiet seal]

He needs to stay on windows or at least run Linux in a vm. He's gonna brick his PC....

[fair pike]

what does brick his pc mean

[feral fiber]

that's possible

[fair pike]

I want to use windows to play games and stuff

[quiet seal]

Won't boot period...

[fair pike]

huh

at this rate i dont even wanna switch to linux anymore

linux is scary ig

for my pc

[quiet seal]

Hahahahahaha

[feral fiber]

Then IMHO you must start to deeper learn about disk administration and management as it's going to be easy to shoot yourself in the foot otherwise.

[quiet seal]

Yeah, get more experience with basic computer concepts...

[feral fiber]

Making a dual boot system is not the most straightforward task for a beginner with no clue nor experience in that domain.

[fair pike]

how do i reset usb back to normal

[quiet seal]

Learn about disk partitioning

Watch some YouTube vids

[feral fiber]

There's Windows Disk Management utility, if it's still there.

[main olive]

No its not

[quiet seal]

You format it

[fair pike]

i don't want to make it so my pc is not usable

forget this

[quiet seal]

Walk before running

[main olive]

Right click on usb choose format

Thats it

[feral fiber]

By the way, what I'd recommend is to install Linux on a flash drive instead of your hard drive. At least you can boot any computer with it and carry your Linux operating system with you. That's by far the least "dangerous" path.

[quiet seal]

A vm instance is even safer

[main olive]

He is using flash drive

[feral fiber]

To flash an ISO image indeed. That's not what I meant.

Everything you do with the system on the USB drive will be lost on next reboot... unless you enable permanent storage.

[fair pike]

wtf do i do

i wanted to get linux but i feel like im gonna fck it up

[main olive]

he will create partition for dual booting during setup

[fair pike]

and fck my pc up

[quiet seal]

Just stop what you're doing...

[fair pike]

okay

[odd plover]

eh, installing and running a Linux distro off a USB drive tends to not be that good. USBs are slower than SSDs, and they have far more limited read-write cycles.

[feral fiber]

That is precisely what I recommend against.

[feral fiber]

Big deal...

If you prefer safety, speed is the least of your concerns.

[odd plover]

it is a big deal since the person in question wants Linux specifically for better performance. this way they'll just kill their USB.

[fair pike]

formated it back

[main olive]

@fair pike Chill bro..
Just flash the image to your USB using Balena-etcher!

And you can create partition at a time of installation.

don't paniic

[odd plover]

also, the unsafety of a dual boot is greatly exaggerated

[fair pike]

icba anymore

[feral fiber]

I'm running a system on a USB 2 key on a 10 year-old Core i3 system and I have nothing to complain about.

Speed is just irrelevant.

[odd plover]

perhaps for your purposes. I do not think it makes a good general recommendation.

[main olive]

@fair pike Check your dm

[feral fiber]

Walk before you run. Learn about your system. Performance tweak comes last.

All you want is have the cake and eat it.

Step by step is the essence of learning.

[odd plover]

there is such a thing as unnecessary caution. I simply disagree that a dual boot is something so dangerous.

[feral fiber]

Come say that to all beginners with literally zero knowledge in computer management who screwed up their system and had to reinstall it from scratch...

You don't care... until you shoot yourself in the foot.

But you're free to advise otherwise that's true.

[odd plover]

modern guided installers make it fairly hard to shoot yourself in the foot, and very easy to do the right thing. I'm not telling them to go do a manual Gentoo install or whatever.

[main olive]

I use dual booting, and it works well for me

[feral fiber]

You don't get the point. Of course dual boot works. The problem is not about working or not working. It's about setting it up when you have no clue what you're doing!

[main olive]

@fair pike Hey you there!?

[main olive]

I do agree but he has some idea about it, its not that he is unaware about linux and booting

[opal barn]

Am here

My pc a bit laggy for some reason

[main olive]

Np

Could you join vc

code /help

[opal barn]

In a bit

Give me 5m

[main olive]

Oh

Take your time

[opal barn]

Which vc

[main olive]

code / help

[opal barn]

Ping me there

[steep ingot]

gentoo has a real good manual tho

if you're not careful many installers can overwrite your existing os

[misty spindle]

Hi,
Pls help.

Below is docker-compose.yml file

version: '3'
services:
  spark:
    image: jupyter/pyspark-notebook
    user : root
    ports:
      - "8888:8888"  # Jupyter Notebook
      - "4040:4040"  # Spark UI
    volumes:
      - ./in_side_container:/home/jovyan
    environment:
      - JUPYTER_ENABLE_LAB = yes
      - CHOWN_HOME = yes
      - CHOWN_HOME_OPTS = '-R' 
    command: start.sh jupyter lab --NotebookApp.token=''

  spark-master:
    image: bitnami/spark:latest
    environment:
      - SPARK_MODE=master
    ports:
      - "8080:8080"
      - "7077:7077"

When i run docker-compose up, getting the error as PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/jovyan/.local'

[fair pike]

@bitter salmon

[odd plover]

you didn't delete Windows. It's right there in C:

[fair pike]

am cooked

theres ment to be another one

3 that comes with windows

[odd plover]

you said there were no files you cared about, wasn't it? when you were told to back up?

[fair pike]

yeah

but what did i delete

@bitter salmon

i dont have the last partition

[odd plover]

.

[fair pike]

the one ive got is for arch

[misty spindle]

@bitter salmon / @odd plover,
if you have any idea related to this, could you pls check once.

[fair pike]

i got 2 windows 3 linux ones

theres ment to be 3 windows

[wise forge]

    volumes:
      - ./in_side_container:/home/jovyan

you confused things potentially. The first is at host, second is inside container

[misty spindle]

oh. let me try this,

    volumes:
      - /home/jovyan:./in_side_container

[wise forge]

not really good thing to do because your user home is protected by permission rights usually

[misty spindle]

i tried the new thing.
Error response from daemon: invalid volume specification: '/home/jovyan:in_side_container:rw': invalid mount config for type "bind": invalid mount path: 'in_side_container' mount path must be absolute

[wise forge]

regardless of what user you have inside container, u could mess up thing.
It is bad forwarding your /home/jovyan/ user into inside the container

Because container will usuall yhave different user and u will acquire plenty of permissions incorrect files/folders at your user folder at host

[wise forge]

oh yes, inside container path should be always absolute path

./any_path_at_host:/any_path_inside_container

the first one can be relative or absolute, second one only absolute

[misty spindle]

This is my file.

version: '3'
services:
  spark:
    image: jupyter/pyspark-notebook
    ports:
      - "8888:8888"  # Jupyter Notebook
      - "4040:4040"  # Spark UI
    volumes:
      - ./files:/root/pyspark_simple_end_to_end_project/in_side_container
    environment:
      - JUPYTER_ENABLE_LAB=yes
    command: start.sh jupyter lab --NotebookApp.token=''

When i execute it using docker-compose up

Jupyter notebook folder structure looks like below

i did not mentioned any where to create work, yet it got created!

when i hoverover the folder icon, it says /home/jovyan

And then in my linux: it looks like below:

i am really confused.

since 2 days, nothing is working out, i am at the same situation trying & tyring multilpe things 😦

[wise forge]

Two options

1. You are still in an old container, u may be haven't deleted the previous one and for some reason reentered already existing ones. down command will help here
2. This folder u see is just created from your previous attemps when u had specified ./inside_container before

docker compose down before running up, ensures u destroy previous containers, Exit them properly

#!/usr/bin/env bash

docker kill --signal=SIGKILL $(docker ps -q)
docker rm -f $(docker ps -a -q)

I advice using even this instead of down command

it is more reliable one in exiting all containers completely

i just have it as a shortcut in my os 😋 docker-stop command for me

[wise forge]

anyway, since files folder got created, then as i can see new docker-compose initialized with new volume correctly we can assume

[wise forge]

Shrugs. When u open jupyter containerized, u see things INSIDE container

obviously it will be different from your host filesystem

plus docker app could be having any other random init options inside it that creates folders in addition

[misty spindle]

The fodler structure we see here is inside the container?

[wise forge]

yes.

[wise forge]

so u can find there /root/pyspark_simple_end_to_end_project/in_side_container according to your last docker-compose configuration

or u could specify simpler path to find, that u could one click from the root of filesystem 😅

[misty spindle]

i created a paint to understand it correctly. it looks correct now?

[wise forge]

noooo. u confused it 🙂
the opposite, reverse positions

still wrong

Jupyter is not Linux, it is Inside container (at least according to your docker compose i saw u launch jupyter as container). So Jupyter Inside container is on the right
Your regular filesystem folder is Linux and on the left

[fair pike]

how do i get my recovery parition back

its gone

[misty spindle]

red box: linux

blue box: container

[wise forge]

Yup. You have it right now

But, be aware, your files will not persist from your work inside jypiter, unless u use the correct volume path ^_^

currently not seeing correct paths navigated/opened folders, they don't match volume specified

[misty spindle]

path is wrong?

[wise forge]

yes. u specify /home/jovyan/work/files on the right
then u wish opening exactly same path in notebook

if u will specify simpler path like /work/files for volume on the right
then it will match your current opened folder in notebook (which is /work/files according to your screenshot)

[misty spindle]

ok, let me correct the file --> docker-compose down --> docker-compose up & then check.

    volumes:
      - ./files:/work/files

[misty spindle]

After making the changes as mentioned:
first thing i observed is: even though i mentioned the path inside container as /work/files --> there is no files folder created.

[wise forge]

peculiar. may be GUI interface is showing some disinformed path or smth.
just naviate docker exec -it container_id_or_name bash (or sh instead of bash)

and find out for yourself what is situation inside the container

through navigations via ls/cd commands, u could use touch some_file_name to create smth inside container

[misty spindle]

also, i just tried created files folder myself through GUI & created some contents inside this folder.
They are not getting relfected inside my linux files

[wise forge]

u could confirm current volumes attached to container by reading information inside

docker inspect container_id_or_name

[misty spindle]

i navigated inside the work fodler & there is no files folder

so, GUI & this one are in sync

[wise forge]

pwd command tells you current path

[misty spindle]

yeah. there is no files

[wise forge]

I don't see u navigating to /work

[wise forge]

U tried navigated to Relative path work

[fair pike]

can someone please help me

[wise forge]

U need to /work

Absolute path from beginning of filesystem

[fair pike]

How do i get recovery parition back