career-advice

[lofty pivot]

yo

[radiant moon]

oy

[smoky quest]

Depends on your qualification, experience, competition with other candidates, type of roles you are applying for...

[lime stag]

Literally never had a job before, but want any development job

[smoky quest]

might want to target simpler jobs then, like simple websites

[rare wyvern]

You might need to do something not explicitly tech related to start out. Office assistant would be a good example. If your workplace has problems that you can solve with tech/code, then volunteer to solve them. Nearly all tech jobs require at least some tech experience, so you might need to get a non-tech job that you can claim as tech experience if you are able to use tech skills at the position. The other approaches are internships, where it's free labor for them so they don't care if you have experience, having a strong connection, where someone can vouch for your abilities even though you don't have experience, some form of coding camp, where they have connections to companies looking to hire people with the skills from the coding camp, freelance, where you can take cheap work to build up experience and a good reputation, and build to better work, or finally, independent work, where you can pursue projects that build the experience you need. Along the way you might look at getting certs that relate to your field. Also just because many tech companies say they hire straight out of high school doesn't mean that's an easy path. Is there a reason you don't want to pursue an associate's degree (or equivalent if not in the US) before entering the tech sector? Many people work while they do that to cover living expenses.

[cedar panther]

Why don't you go to Uni first? Meet new people, learn new shit, build a network, start off with internships rather than full time jobs?

[vagrant mirage]

Uni for a career in software is waste of money, unless it is government subsidized.

Almost every skill and programming language one needs to be a dev is available online for as good as free. Why would anyone pay thousands of dollars for it at a uni? Unless uni is cheap like in China or Scandinavia

[lime stag]

I am going to uni, at a UC, I need a job to pay for the debt

[lime stag]

freelancing sounds attractive to me, how would I start out?

[naive sand]

This is my doubt tooo

I was thinking of participating in some competitions like gsoc but dont have any idea about it

[desert plinth]

hi guys can i share my sever link on here?

[main sleet]

Unfortunately that’s not true for a lot of countries… if you want a job at a FTSE100 company in UK you’ll need a degree

[rare wyvern]

In that case, talk to your professors and counselors to get the best opportunities possible. Look for scholarships, paid internships, research assistant positions, paid grading. Go to career fairs. Freelancing is tough to make real money with, unless you are already highly skilled. Companies love college students btw, there are summer internships that pay pretty well if you can get into them, and the best way to do that is to work with the resources provided at your school.

[balmy mural]

This depends a LOT on where you live. If you want to get into a dev position and don't have tertiary education, your CV is going to get thrown out of the window 99% of the time where I live. And even though I could have learned what I did in my bachelors for free, I could not have made the same connections I did. I have 2 job oppertunities lined up when I'm done with my honours just because of networking.

[glossy swift]

can anyone help me about this error?

[main sleet]

If you’re interested in cyber or counter terror, GCHQ and MI5 do excellent scholarships and summer placements.

Jaguar Land Rover do a good scholarship scheme I believe as well. Also take a look at GrantFairy

[main sleet]

Completely agree with this one, you need to be very careful who you push away from university. In some cases like mine and Guitar’s it’s very difficult to progress without a degree. When it comes to initial screening of applicants, a easy filter initially is to discount anyone without a degree and this is a very very common practice.

No worries at all, feel free to DM me if you have any questions about industry in uk as I’m on a degree apprenticeship so have a good view of both uni and the job side

[earnest oriole]

note: information.txt file available

[radiant moon]

@earnest oriole #❓｜how-to-get-help
hint: you want read() not read

[round spruce]

and make sure to close the file after

[earnest oriole]

sorry bro

[smoky quest]

also wrong channel

[rustic dawn]

Hello I have a question for you guys, what is your opinion about PCAP certification, do you believe it's worth it? Should I go for it or is a piece of paper with absolutely no value?

[unkempt sandal]

Any opportunities that can help me pay for my 4 upcoming years of college?

[marsh wind]

most certification are worthless pieces of paper with little to none value if you have nothing else to show, ie accomplished projects, internships or other ways to prove you have actual experience.
From what I heard certs can have more value either if it's something like AWS/GCP cloud engineering (as I understand those teach you things specific to the cloud provider env) or cybersecurity

[exotic lance]

there are quite a few certs that are great boosts but yeah almost all of them if not all are pretty much worthless if you got nothing else

[mossy acorn]

yes

[final mountain]

hi

[pallid wagon]

hey guys

i m in clg rn studying electronics ...but i have huge interest to pursue a career in AI , i have researched so much in this area but have reached no where except being confused , please can sm1 dm me and help me ...from where to start and what all is required to learn . thanks in advance

[final mountain]

To learn Python or any other language, you must first learn the algorithm

[pallid wagon]

U mean DSA?

[exotic dagger]

Hey- I have a powerpoint presentation coming up the project my partner and I been working on. The majority is coding, which we really need help explaining. Does anyone have any examples of powerpoints to how I should show my code and such

Basically TLDR of my code it has OOP elements, meaning that there are things that are in different .py's

I know since my audience isn't a much coding I do have to keep it broad, but the majority of our presenation

is code, so I know flowcharts L2R, using like the sysml way for diagrams- but kinda confused on how in we should go or whatnot

This was an outdated version but how we did it. I think we keep the right side as a more backup if anyone has questions to go more in depth, while only presenting the left side? not quite sure- if anyone has any exampls it would be very appreciated

[queen barn]

Anyone work for Marriott or know someone who does

[rare wyvern]

If you're already committed to a school then talk to your counselors and professors about scholarship opportunities and paid internships. If you hadn't already committed to a school or are having an "oh crap" moment and realize you can't afford it, community college for two years + university for 2 years is basically half the price of you can live with your parents or at least somewhere very inexpensive.

[rare wyvern]

The concept behind AI/ML is incredibly simple: multiply your inputs by a matrix of random numbers and tweak the random numbers until you get the desired output. Most of what you need to learn will come through experience, not theory. Follow some tutorials on classifying MNIST data, then try some kaggle competitions. Try nlp, computer vision, and reinforcement learning. If you don't know how to proceed at any point, follow a tutorial. Udemy has excellent courses that you might be able to get for free through your school, and the orielly books are excellent as references that also might be free through your school library. Otherwise, there are a ton of free YouTube videos and short articles that walk you through everything from the most basic to the latest machine learning techniques. If you want to go into AI research, pursue a PhD program after you graduate.

[rigid walrus]

what do yall think is the most lucrative and most demanded career in coding in the next 4 years

[smoky quest]

If your audience is not technical, I recommend the approach of try like you are explaining to your grandma.
Also try to reflect on what should the audience take away from this? What are you trying to tell them?
To that end, are the function names important? If not, remove them. Are the loops important to understand what you are doing? If not, put that in a box.

Something I would fix with the diagram on the left is it doesn't talk at all about the actual logic. It just explains a loop over entries in files, which aren't the interesting part of your project

[swift veldt]

Lucrative ? Quantitative Researcher at a NYC Hedge Fund like TwoSigmas.
Demanded ? likely full stack dev.

[crystal valley]

Hi

[dire dagger]

Does it look bad if i don't have a linkedin profile on my resume for an intern offer?

[near ocean]

Why dont you have a linkedin

[dire dagger]

Probably silly but how important is it?

[gritty dawn]

Very important, it's like if a vsco girl doesn't have a hydro flask

[dire dagger]

One of my reasons was that i don't wanna sell my info

[gritty dawn]

bruh

[dire dagger]

I know that's contradictory

[dire dagger]

I'm anti to fb, insta

[gritty dawn]

Yea I dont like their practices either

[dire dagger]

Isn't linkedin the same

[gritty dawn]

I feel like another statistic for insta and fb

[dire dagger]

Gathering your info & selling out

Anyways what do i do? Set up a new acc or avoid sharing my linkedin

[gritty dawn]

It's 2021, you have no option but to give away your privacy rights

[dire dagger]

Lol
I've to submit my resume like tommorow

[gritty dawn]

then make the linkedin rn, it's useful

[dire dagger]

Do i need to have those connections or a big network ? Or is it just ok if it's a damn simple profile

[analog sun]

For an internship position, you are probably just starting to make those connections

[dire dagger]

Ok then fine

[rare wyvern]

I agree, that's why you want to keep your Linkedin professional and only share what you need. At the same time, you are going to be applying to tons of jobs and sharing your skills, past jobs, and where you went to school. All of this information can easily be shared and sold if you apply to a job posting that wasn't legitimate, or if it's just a company with no morals, so you may as well put it out there on linkedin where it will actually benefit you. You may also want to create a secondary personal email for use in job applications and linkedin. Some people go one step further and make a Voip phone number as well, I think google voice does it for free if you link your real phone, but you do need to make sure you have the right app and settings to actually get the calls to a voip.

[prime ruin]

I don't think linkedin is very important for tech

[smoky quest]

As much as I prefer privacy, linkedin does provide a lot of value for your career.
I would still recommend to put up something. It doesn't need to have a picture or birth certificate but it should have enough keywords so you hit the searches and can have a network with your old college mates and coworkers

[marsh wind]

uhm... wrong? It's very widely used in tech, probably much more than in any other industry.

[prime ruin]

Well a lot of my peers went fine and their linkedins aren't very fancy or simply don't exist

I'm not sure what you mean by 'widely used in tech' when LinkedIn has too much window dressing rather than being meaningful like github

[marsh wind]

HR or recruiters don't care about your github in 99%. In fact any person that will do initial screening for job will go of the CV and linkedin.
that is not to say it's essential, I can see how people would do fine without it, but I am pretty sure by not having it chances are you'll miss some opportunities.

[limber rampart]

In my youth I was repeatedly told that I absolutely need a linkedin; in turn I decided to make my life a crusade to prove otherwise

seems to be ok so far

I find it predatory how much they try to guilt the user into sharing personal information by telling them they won't find employment otherwise

[pulsar drum]

Is anyone even on there because of genuine interest? I have a cynical view of it. Seems like people would only be on there to recruit, get hired, or promote something, which is quite shallow. But what do i know? I refuse to make an account.

[marsh wind]

well like I said you probably can do without it, so up to you.
Also, I got hired from linkedin job listing but while I am not looking for changing employer for now I do check linkedin feed regularly, there is fairly good content here and there

[near ocean]

its an advantage, or it used to be. Why wouldnt you give yourself all the advantages you need to find a job?

[crude crown]

You're looking for authenticity and honesty in the damn wrong place.

[limber rampart]

If I send out a CV and my GH, what else does a linkedin account add? A picture of my face and a number of connections? Arent those basically friend requests? It seems superficial

[near ocean]

an easy way to communicate

[limber rampart]

I dont need to be browsed like a product for sale, when Im looking for employment I do it myself

[pulsar drum]

Because I have standards and principles. It seems really shallow and also a violation of my privacy. Maybe I would if I was very desperate.

[near ocean]

standards and principles dont put bread on the table

[pulsar drum]

They don't, but they also don't necessarily have to be sacrificed.

[prime ruin]

I think a lot of tech people aren't exactly struggling to put bread on the table, although I understand this depends a lot on context/environment

[limber rampart]

I would not dare tell someone not to make an account, and I would not look down on someone for having one. But I'd hate for people to believe that they need an account to get employed even if they're not comfortable with the concept

It seems like a lie used to manipulate people into sharing information

[marsh wind]

things can depend a lot indeed. I am in my first job and I got most and best interviews (not to mention a job offer) applying via linkedin rather than via other means (job board or company websites)

[near ocean]

Im soon to be employed with a linkedin account (not through it) but i wouldnt go around telling people not to make a profile, people are grown adults they can choose to share whatever information they want

[marsh wind]

it can add more depth to your profile: i.e. if the local culture etc pushes to 1 page CVs until you hit some serious experinece years it can be an opportunity to put things you had to cut from your CV or give more details on your project/past jobs.
P.S. I am not trying to convince you or other, this for the sake of healthy argument and discussion

[near ocean]

Also, some companies dont use job boards or any other social media outside of linkedin to advertise so youre missing out on potential job apps

[limber rampart]

You definitely can use it that way, but you can also make a simple static website that you can link from the CV

[limber rampart]

Sure, but I also know from experience that there are companies that specifically avoid active recruitment via Linkedin and prefer candidates who reach out 🤷

[near ocean]

What kind of information do people have on linkedin that you wouldnt want to volunteer btw

[marsh wind]

the difference is, HR/recuriter might never open it. And for reaching out, you can still do it having LinkedIn profile.
I kinda get your point, but my point is here that by not having LinkedIn you are not opening any new doors that you could not open while you have it, so to say

[limber rampart]

I do not want to put a picture of my face on the internet to improve chances of employment... and I do not want to be employed based on what I look like or how many (superficial) friends I have

Everything else can be read in my CV

[near ocean]

A picture is optional though, you dont need to have one to make a profile

[limber rampart]

I understand, I just dont think all doors must be opened. Maybe we can leave some closed 😄

[marsh wind]

our of curiosity - what's your opinion on picture in CV? 🙂

to mariosis: if you don't put at least some image linkedin will tell you every time that "having picture doubles your chances of being noticed"

[limber rampart]

I know, but then the platform continuously nags you and tries you to get you to upload a pic, citing employment chances, which I find predatory

[marsh wind]

I do agree that them pushing you to fill out all the profile is annoying and borderline predatory. I have few coworkers who has no picture or just some image there though.

[limber rampart]

Afaik there are cultural differences on face pic in CV, where Im from its standard to not include it

It communicates that youre not being hired based on your looks; the CV should contain whats relevant to the position

However I do not have strong opinions on it... I simply do not think its relevant, so I omit it

[marsh wind]

yeah, I would'nt do it if it weren't for culture in france

[pulsar drum]

I've heard from a US recruiter that they explicitly don't want to see a photo, cause it puts them in an awkward position of having a bias, either conscious or subconscious. Especially since there are also laws against hiring on such basis.

Granted, they will eventually see you anyway once you interview. Maybe their point was to minimise the impact.

[marsh wind]

Yea us and uk I think have very strong anti picture movement. EU, as always lags behind despite they have such laws too if not more harsh

[summer roost]

At least some companies in the US will reject every application that comes with a photo attached, because it's easy for them to prove that they apply that rule consistently.

If they sometimes interview people who send a photo and sometimes don't, it raises the question whether the photo played a part in them rejecting one candidate while accepting the other.

[umbral oriole]

Good morning guys

How's your day?

[tardy grotto]

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well my arrival has been unlucky lol

[still condor]

!ban 871890907182563429 racism

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @eternal eagle permanently.

[tardy grotto]

Any libraries I should get good with if I use web scraping tools to get my bread?

Been using only the basic stuff: requests, beautiful soup, regex. Learned recently html_requests, requests_file and pandas too which are really useful. Don't mind learning more though!

I did notice stuff like regex and pandas is used on data science, so if there is other things I could learn to maybe in the future work with data science I wouldn't mind the suggestions

[dark lintel]

Hi

Can you freelance as a Data Scientist? Thanks

[gray anvil]

no, proper data science is a luxury role in most orgs. data related freelance work you can find will in the vast majority be data engineering or data analysis work

[crisp arrow]

I'm curious, as a guy who's been programming for 10 years, when would you start looking for a job as a dev

[radiant moon]

when you want a job as a dev
NEXT

[crisp arrow]

I have 10 years experience with G-Code, Ladder Logic, servo programming, PLC programming, and batch/bash, 3 years with SQL, PHP, and JS, and about 2 weeks in python. It took me about 60 hours to write a 1000 line automagic print script in python for my previous employer that integrates with smartsheets and communicates to the printer using devmode, (just got let go today after putting in my resignation letter) and I'd like to switch careers from manufacturing engineer to developer. Any tips on where I should start studying for an interview?

[radiant moon]

no but some companies post "stuff you should study for your interview" somewhere -- I think Google does that
if you learn all the stuff Google wants, you can probably work anywhere 🙂

[gray anvil]

standard question is, what role, what title, what industry

if you want a role where programming is part of your core work flow then learn software engineering principles and be prepared to speak on them in an interview

and start practicing in your own coding as well. I have some of the people in my team who have "10 years exp" but are woefully inadequate on proper code architecture, proper git practices, familiarity with data structures, etc etc

[ruby coral]

i know these langs :

python
c 
cpp
assembly code 
php
js

Not at pro level though [maybe btw intermediate and pro ]

Any advice for me to my career

Im 17 now , and i gonna go to high school next year... what courses / subjects can i take?

[dire dagger]

Good points, i might set up a protonmail or tutanota account.
I was also thinking of getting a secondary number.
I'd my number crowdsourced to a sh** ton of colleges & to places i can't imagine. i've been unsubscribing every random job/admission offer mail ever since then

[sly holly]

Can I bother someone to review my resume? 🙂

[vapid jay]

hey

is anybody interested in a list of remote gigs websites?

[sly holly]

There's a pretty big github repo I've seen with a list of all-remote jobs remoteintech/remote-jobs.

[vapid jay]

i got one from a python group

[dire dagger]

Can you share the link?

[sly holly]

https://github.com/remoteintech/remote-jobs

[zenith viper]

How would you go about evaluating your proficiency in Python? I looked at certificates but they are pretty expensive since I don't have a job. I'm an undergrad in CS btw

[sly holly]

I'd recommend reading Fluent Python O'Reilly book. That's kinda how I measure myself. If I can understand most of that book and use each of the more "pythonic" approaches as my instinct, then I consider myself improving in my proficiency. Think things like list comprehensions, knowing how classes work, annotations, etc.

[dire dagger]

Maybe take an assessment quiz on any job portal ?

[zenith viper]

I'll look into it, thank you.

[zenith viper]

Do you have a link ?

I'm not quite versed into the world of employment. I apologize if my English is flawed, it's not my first language. Feel free to correct me if needed, I like to learn.

[sly holly]

Pluralsight has one, but you have to sign up:
https://www.pluralsight.com/paths/core-python

As long as you have an .edu email though you can register for github education pack:
https://education.github.com/pack

That might have something on there as well to test proficiency (I thought pluralsight was on there, but I don't see it)

[dire dagger]

I'm not sure tbh and am myself looking for a proper test to assess myself :p. Here's something i found:
https://app.testdome.com/t?GeneratorId=45

[zenith viper]

Thanks, I'll try it out

[zenith viper]

I have the github student pack, I'll look into it

[dire dagger]

Does that list have any companies to which freshers can apply?

[wooden jungle]

You dont need a .edu email, I sent them my school year report and got accepted

[zenith viper]

Same for me

Got the pluralsight result btw, good surprise

[sly holly]

I'm sure some of those companies do, at the end of the day it depends on what they have open. Some companies have university programs to hire fresh graduates, but those might not always be 100% remote.

I've been eyeing github itself for a while as it is 100% remote, but also, I'm no longer considered fresh out of college 😐

[zenith viper]

There's only two questions 😅

[dire dagger]

Yeah, that ain't good

[sour summit]

hello everyone i am CSIT students now in 1 st sem but interested in AI so i want to know about this field more and its carrer path so if anyone knows help me .😇

[wide sun]

are you good at maths?

[sour summit]

yes i am quite good 😇

[rustic dawn]

Hello I have a question for you guys, what is your opinion about PCAP certification, do you believe it's worth it? Should I go for it or is a piece of paper with absolutely no value?

[wide sun]

then you should start out some ml courses and see how it goes, and it is really interesting 😄

[sour summit]

ohh really are you AI students or learning this feild?

[radiant moon]

I know nothing about PCAP specifically, but my gut tells me that certifications are not valuable

[rare wyvern]

I'm not an expert at all but you can dm me and I'll give my 2 cents

[rare wyvern]

Figure out what you want to do. Many fields need strong programmers. Do you want to work in big tech? Do you want to do full stack for a company? App dev? Web dev? Cyber security? A research position? Try and talk to people in relevant fields. Ik it sounds a little crazy, but if you can go through a connection to set up a 20 minute phone call, lots of people will be happy to set you up with an interview about what they do and if they like their field.

[ruby coral]

Sure!!!!! Thanks for your advice

[sly holly]

I've bought pro courses in ML from codecademy, I own the "bible" textbook for AI "Artificial Intelligence, A modern approach" by Russel and Norvig, and countless other books. I find it really difficult to study and learn the ai stuff now that I have a career in a company. My advice is to start learning it and practicing it as soon as you can understand the concepts. I wish I had more coursework in it, but other than calculus and discrete mathematics, we never touched ML at my uni :(. Start with simple stuff as well, learn how the already established frameworks like tensorflow or pytorch work then go from there. And be prepared for a lot of mathematics. Out of the different resources, I find that the opencv stuff is pretty fun to play around with and has more direct applications, so you can check that out.

[sour summit]

wow amazing thank you so much for this 🙏

[vapid jay]

I cant decide between ai and full stack web dev, any advice?

[vapid jay]

@vapid jay Django.

@vapid jay Or PyTorch.

[brisk vale]

Hi everyone, can i post a Job offer here?

[analog sun]

!rule 9 still applies, so I don't think so

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[brisk vale]

@analog sun where can i post job offers? i'm looking to hire some python devs

[orchid marten]

Hey guys, how can a decent python dev start making $50/day?

I have 1 year of college and a ton of automation/scrape projects under my belt

[sage pumice]

in the us? that's less than minimum wage unless you're working like 4 hours a day

[vapid jay]

Kinda confused.What does that have to do with what i said?

I cant decide between ai and full stack web dev, any advice? Not what framework to use

[smoky quest]

Depends where you are at and your goals.
Make a list of pros/cons.

Also try them out and see which one feels right to you

[vapid jay]

I'm a beginner when it comes to programming and coding, I've only worked on python to make some basic scripts to use in Linux and to make basic meme-y stuff. I kinda wanna start doing it as a job but i don't quite know where to begin with that and what skills need cultivating.

Im currently doing challenges to get used to programming and problem solving

[shadow moss]

Probably little value

[iron bolt]

I'm an intermediate level python programmer and i have made some projects like some pygame games and i know a bit of selenium too. I am thinking about what to do next, I don't wanna go into game dev. So any suggestions on what's should I do next (I know html too?). Pls recommend any module to learn for making automation programs and bots

Thanks

[cedar sigil]

kivy module ig

I'm a beginner when it comes to programming and coding, I've only worked on python. i have to decice my carrer after a few months

i havent decided yet. is hacking easy?? or maybe game dev. idk anything about complex programming

[iron bolt]

I have heard it is for web/app dev

[cedar sigil]

i have only studied basic python (its my second year studying python (in school))

[cedar sigil]

yaa i think so. idk much about it tho. i just saw it somewhere

[iron bolt]

I have tried game dev but for some good games you need game engine and for that you need to learn c language I guess , if you want to learn new lang game dev is fun

[lucid vapor]

C++ and C# are more commonly used for games than C afaik

[cedar sigil]

i can dev game using only python?? i mean i dont have to use unity and stuff?? to make the images move using code ( i think its called front end)

[digital fjord]

you can make simple games in python easily

but most games in practice are in C#, C++, in rarer cases haxe and lua

[iron bolt]

Python is mainly for 2d games, only a new module named ursina cane make 3d games it's preety good but not a lot of content to learn it

[cedar sigil]

😦

[digital fjord]

panda3d is quite old and supposedly works well

[cedar sigil]

does anyone know bout hacking.. like modules and stuff. and is it easy or not. and what i can hack using python

[digital fjord]

hacking (or more professionally pentesting), is one of the most difficult things you can do

I personally find it really boring

[cedar sigil]

yaa i think that might be true but im interested in hacking

[digital fjord]

but python is quite convenient for penetration testing

[cedar sigil]

but i dont know how difficult...... can anyone tell me some ttorial video for " hacking for beginners"

[digital fjord]

though a lot of it is just knowing tooling

[iron bolt]

One thing I know is that you have to be good with networking and stuff like that

[cedar sigil]

spmehting like the "most basic hacking program using python" video

[digital fjord]

it isn't really a beginner kinda thing

the starting point is generally looking at C buffer overflows vulnerabilities

[cedar sigil]

netwroking? web development?😬

[iron bolt]

U can't do much on window

[cedar sigil]

🤒

[digital fjord]

pentesting more or less requires you to know most other branches of programming, since well, you need to know how the things work so you can find the gaps

[iron bolt]

No dude it's like how data is transferred over internet and all that

[digital fjord]

you can do it, but it is not simple, as I said

[cedar sigil]

cant understand that, im a beginner bros. i cant understand the programmer nerd language yet :/

[cedar sigil]

okieee idk much about it . but i'll learn. hacker always seemed cool to me back when i was a kid but im determined to be a hacker , whether its difficult or not

[digital fjord]

https://jaimelightfoot.com/blog/so-you-want-to-ctf-a-beginners-guide/ CTFs are the most common starting point, read this article and see if you can figure out where to get started

[cedar sigil]

okiee thx, yaa i just needed somehting like that

will do, i'll ask if i have a problem

[iron bolt]

Can someone tell is flask beeter django for web development?

[digital fjord]

these days, I would use fastAPI

but flask and django are both good choices for just about any website you could possibly want to make

[cedar sigil]

and idk what's an api but i have heard it

[iron bolt]

Is this a module?

[near ocean]

Yes it is and it's really comfy to write

[digital fjord]

ye, fastapi is a python framework for making rest APIs

[cedar sigil]

if we make a website using python or c++ or some other language then we can name our website anyway we want??

[digital fjord]

if you pay for hosting and the domain, yes

[cedar sigil]

okieee

[cedar sigil]

how much for one domain? is it expensive?

[lucid vapor]

Some domains are really cheap, others can get really expensive, it just depends

[lilac yoke]

Guys can someone recommend me some beginner guide to python (with beginner i mean i have only read 50 page of documentation on python)

[digital fjord]

8 bucks a year or less if you have some offers.

!resources @lilac yoke automate the boring stuff is often suggested

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[lilac yoke]

Thx

[iron bolt]

I learned from tech with time tutorial
I would say decent enough
But he knows viding and nothing else

Not even basic maths and physics

[orchid marten]

Canada...i don't know how to find a job with my situation the way it is

[iron bolt]

Can some one tell me what we do in machine learning?
Ping me

[smoky quest]

Google has a lot of great answers for career machine learning

[cedar sigil]

code with harry python for beginners playlist ( but it's in hindi)

[torpid ice]

Hello everyone. I have a question about Jr Dev interviews I would appreciate some help with. I recently did my first interview (I am self taught and have been coding for a couple of years now) and I felt the process was quite tedious. In the first interview, I wasn't asked any question about myself or my coding journey. We went directly into the coding part of the interview. It took me about 2 hours to complete the challenge which was quite tough. I had to import a .csv file, assess the data, make changes, and create 2 other csv files with the required changes. I think it took me around 140 lines. When I finished I was told I would be emailed the "project" phase of the interview.

The project phase required me to stand up an AWS server through Terraform, configure it with Ansible, and build out the same application from end-to-end. There was a list of additional requirements that I won't go into but this seemed like a lot of work for a Jr Dev role. I would like to know if this is typical before I continue to apply for jobs.

[smoky quest]

It does sound a bit atypical.
Overall, that interview seems a bit quite involved, especially the project part. Developer interviews wouldn't typically include ansible or terraform and something end to end like that.
While the initial interview would include some coding question, it should also contain some discussion about your experience. I have also seen that part split in two different sessions where the discussion is done with a recruiter would then send you to 1h coding question.

[torpid ice]

The "project" part that I mentioned was sent and I was given 1 week to complete it. I work and attend school full time so I didn't feel I had the time and backed out. I am handy with Linux but I don't know AWS, Terraform or Ansible and they weren't part of the job listing requirements. I got the impression from the young interviewer that he was more interested in finding people that were as good as him and showing what he knows.

[smoky quest]

yeah, sounds like you dodged a bullet.
Typical home projects would be things like:

• Writing some code which makes an API call and process/sort a bit the data
• Writing a simple socket handler or REST handler

[sly holly]

If its a startup it can be like that... Also depending on which company it was, their definition of Jr Developer can be skewed a little bit, especially if they are offering equity or similar high risk, high reward. But to answer your first question, no, jr level interviews are not typically that involved, although some do have take home projects.

[smoky quest]

Even for startups it's out of the ordinary

That project would make senior engineers bail out as well

[sly holly]

Lol, true.. @torpid ice the typical interview usually goes a few ways, some have take home assessments, some have behavioral with a little bit of technical knowledge and then a simple coding problem, while others have whiteboarding interviews where you alternate between interviewers and they ask you specific questions to test you out both technically and as a culture fit.

A large health company had me fly out after I completed an online assessment and then conducted ~5 in person whiteboarding interviews, (before covid), some were just to see how you thought, questions like, if you had to design an elevator class, what are some algorithms for going up and down, how would you handle button presses etc. (Got rejected, was fresh out of school)

Whereas, the company I'm at now just asked a screening interview over the phone and then a 1-1 video call with an engineer and that was it.

[torpid ice]

I applied because my skills fit the posting requirements. I was surprised to see so much work was required and it kind of scared me away. I haven't applied for any coding jobs since.

[smoky quest]

Some people may reject you just because they had a bad day or want to make themselves feel better.
It's not a reflection of your skill nor worth

It's a bit like dating. Sometimes, regardless how great are the participants, it's just not meant to happen

[torpid ice]

I appreciate your advice. It can be quite stressful not knowing what to expect. I am an IT/Networking guy and I use python regularly for work. I live in a rural part of Colorado so I don't really know anyone IRL that works as a dev or even knows how to code. I was quite concerned this was typical despite having my suspicions. It's good to hear some real world stories.

[smoky quest]

Rules of thumbs:

• Do a few interviews to get in the vibe
• Start with positions and companies you don't care about since you will be crappy the first few times. But that experience will help you handle interviews better and understand better what would typically happen

[torpid ice]

I did pick up a lot from the interview. I gained a bit more confidence coding under pressure and realized a few areas I have since improved on. I do think the process was valuable and after a few more I should be way more confident.

[smoky quest]

exactly!

[sly holly]

Cracking the coding interview is a good read if you just want to see what its like at the bigger companies too (most of the smaller bigger companies tend to copy Amazon, google, etc in their interview types, it's a little bit more serious in terms of the time and effort you'd be putting in to this, but if you're prepared for one of those interviews, you'd probably be ready for any other one)

[smoky quest]

It's a numbers game.
And sometimes it gets very emotional and non data based. For instance, you will become a lot more attractive if you get an offer and companies will make some exceptions for you just because of that.

[stone edge]

Hey!

I'm 13, and quite proficent in Python, and I want to start making money with that, I cant have paypal and other stuff, so dose anyone know the best way to do so?

[green rose]

I would also like to know about any opportunities like this.

Maybe any that pay in crypto like BTC or ETH.

[low comet]

Hello

[rare wyvern]

One thing you might try is making content related to python or python tutorials, like youtube or twitch. Or offering python tutoring services to people around your age. You probably won't be able to get a programming job at a company, and freelance work is pretty hard to come by and can be very competitive. You could also make some sort of product like an app or a game that you could sell, though python isn't usually the first choice when it comes to the programming languages for those. Honestly, just learning as much as possible will be the best way to make money for the long run if you can't find opportunities now.

[sour sail]

hello, I've been learning python for 2 years in my school and I know most of the basics, minus basics of classes and functions like __init__ aand stuff. I wanted to study for a couple months and give an online certification exam for PCAP and study for PCPP after.

1. where can I give the exam online?
2. where can I study for this online and for free?(I can devote 1-2 hrs daily)

[sullen stone]

Hello I'm 13 , and am Average at python so far I've learnt the basics and tkinter and other things . I'm confused what on to learn next. Please and can anyone help?

[sour sail]

I'd suggest learning OOP

object oriented coz that's what I learnt and am learning

[fair flower]

Is there any demand of python developer if you are not interested in learning AI/ML or Data science

I mean based on django, flask , Graphql or any other skills

[hybrid wasp]

Data Engineering - could be another big field to choose.

[rustic dawn]

Hello world, or better said hello python community, I am new to all of this (I started studying python for about 3 months now) and I found about PCAP(Certified Associate in Python Programming) certification backed up by Python Institute. I look up the syllabus and recap all the topics regarding this we, but I am unsure if this will help my CV/future résumée or I better focus to make some projects on my own. What do you suggest? Do you heard about this certification? It will help me or I will throw some money on the window with it?
Any other recommendations are welcome.
P. S I want to mention that I am 17 years old and I want to work in IT in the future

[weary forge]

get a proper computer science degree or don't get one at all

I think its a bad idea to only have certification for one programming language.

[stone edge]

Thanks You!!!!

[sour summit]

guys can anyone tell how to invite other people in this server

[radiant moon]

send them this link https://discord.gg/python

[sour summit]

thank you

[digital fjord]

@vapid jayhello, we do not allow recruitment

[vapid jay]

Fml ok sorry about that

Where can I post something like that?

[digital fjord]

@vapid jaylinkedin is the general best bet for recruiting people

[vapid jay]

Of course but discord is really good for that too. Shoot me a friend request and let me pitch it to you

[weary forge]

well, I was going to, but I got lazy. Saw no point in it ultimately, and used my one email for literally everything from porn sites to my linkedin

[scarlet egret]

was that spoused to be me? lol....

[fringe pine]

Nope, they deleted the message.

[scarlet egret]

i see

what do u guys think about my startup? is it a cool idea?

[fringe pine]

Ah right, I see. If you're advertising a paid position, that's not allowed, sorry.

[scarlet egret]

alright, deleted

[near ocean]

If you want feedback on a startup idea i suggest you go into more depth

[scarlet egret]

click on my profile and click on website

if u dont trust that lol, go to devswar.com

[vapid jay]

Hey guys, hope you all are doing great.
I am new to the programming field, so I wanted some guidance on the programming languages which I need to focus on as a beginner. To be more specific I love competitive programming, so I am planning to start my preparation this month. I would be grateful if someone shows up and helps me.

[cedar sigil]

is earning good for a hacker/penetration tester..?

[rare wyvern]

It depends on what you want to do with programming. Python is an easy language to learn, that's why many start out with it. I'm not sure what you mean by competitive programming, there are competitions for app development, game development, machine learning, hacking, all which favor different programming languages.

[vapid jay]

By competitive programming, I mean competitions like International collegiate programming contest, Google kickstart, Google code Jam and various other coding contests. Would it be good if I start my journey with C++?

[rare wyvern]

Seems like C++ is popular (https://www.quora.com/What-programming-language-is-usually-used-in-Code-Jam?share=1) but it can be a bit off-putting for beginners. You can also try to start learning and switch languages if it's too weird. I learned a bit of C++ before switching to Python and found Python much easier.

[near ocean]

The cpp used in competitive programming isnt that obscure tbh, you can look at videos of people using cpp at google kickstart for example, their success is due to knowing what algorithm/datastructure to use in each situation and not necessarily their expertise with the language itself

[sage pumice]

right, cp uses a very limited subset of the language

[vapid jay]

Sure, I will try learning python. Would you please suggest some good resouces for learning python.

[rare wyvern]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[vapid jay]

Yeah, I understand @near ocean

@rare wyvern @near ocean @sage pumice thank you all for your guidance.

[sacred salmon]

@vapid jay I am learning python using Python Crash Course by Eric Matthes...I like it

[swift veldt]

<@&831776746206265384> sorry for the ping, but there is an inappropriate picture here.

[still condor]

!ban 642138252299599872 NSFW imagery

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @fair belfry permanently.

[swift veldt]

👍

[vapid jay]

I heard a lot about Python crash course by Eric Matthes, in fact I have placed an order it should arrive anytime this week. Thank you @sacred salmon

[sacred salmon]

Awesome! I tried learning python with a udemy course and it was a little too fast paced for my liking..the book is way better, and they do a lot of different projects in the book for API development, web development, games, apps, etc...it's good stuff

[raven wolf]

Software engineers, did you need a second language to get the job?

[summer roost]

Yes

[raven wolf]

@summer roost
Does it matter what language? A friend that’s a data scientist told me to learn Java or C++ before I graduate college.

[summer roost]

What type of job are you looking for?

[raven wolf]

Honesty I just wanna be an engineer. I say software engineer just because. I just wanna program

I know web development isn’t for me though

[summer roost]

Backend? Frontend? Full stack web development? App development?

[raven wolf]

Back end

[summer roost]

The languages that will be most useful depend on the type of development you're interested in. For backend development, C or Rust would be helpful.

Or C++, though I'd learn C first since it's smaller.

[craggy wave]

I think that in addition to learning a programming language (or more than one), knowing a bit about the tools used in the industry is important. Things like git, docker, pipelines, and so on.

[summer roost]

Yes, though it's easier for companies to train you on tools than on languages.

[craggy wave]

In addition, there's more to programming than just the language itself; it's often also about how you use the language

[summer roost]

Being aware of the tools and knowing the basics is definitely helpful, though.

[craggy wave]

Can you express your ideas clearly in code? Do you know something about application design?

[craggy wave]

That's definitely true, although it's often a plus to at least know that some things exist.

Basically, the market for junior developers here is a bit tough; we don't have a lot of junior positions, so knowing some of these tools may help your chances of getting the job.

[summer roost]

For backend Unix development, knowing Unix CLI tools is probably necessary. cd and mkdir and ls and cp and mv and such, and enough shell to throw together pipelines that use grep and such.

[raven wolf]

Whew. I have more research to do. I never really thought of some of the things you guys are stating. Honestly I just started programming last semester and I plan on being a dev. Only thing is I don’t know the roadmap or have a clear one in mind. I’m a little paranoid, I graduate Fall 22, but I do have an internship with a really big company next summer. I’m at a standstill thinking about timing

[summer roost]

What sort of degree are you getting? What country are you in?

[raven wolf]

Information technology

USA

[summer roost]

Well, I'd say you should take a data structures and algorithms course if you haven't already, and try learning the basics of Linux, and try learning C or Rust. You've got 9 months before the internship, and that's way more than enough time to learn those things.

[raven wolf]

Okay thank you!

[lime stag]

what is the best way to get my foot in and get a programming interview at 18? Every job I looked at requires at least some sort of degree or previous experience that I don't have.

[vapid jay]

linkedin

[sly holly]

@raven wolf when talking about backend, do you mean web backend? Make sure you look at the specific companies requirements for you. Learning C++/Rust is well and all, but major (non-tech) companies love to use enterprise languages like Java or C#.Net. You can look up the company and hopefully find out what their tech stack is, or if you have a direct line with any HR/Recruiters from the company you're interning in, feel free to ask them as well.

My suggestion is to find out what it is they do and focus on learning some fundamentals around that.
Make sure you at least understand Git, idk if you saw but like 95% of professional devs use git as their source control (source: stackoverflow 2021 developer survey)

If its web, create an api using a language to learn some of the main things like dealing with cors, rest protocol, authorization, basic requests. Get comfortable with tools you might be working with like postman or fiddler.

If its desktop development, start learning the languages and domain, get comfortable with some of the specific ides that support that language. (Visual studio for c/c++/vb.net, intellij or eclipse for java, etc... look at the github education pack for student licenses for the whole jetbrains suite. even asking the recruiters would be beneficial here as well)

Hopefully that helps, it wasn't too long ago I was in your shoes.

[lime stag]

I know 0 people who can hire me...

[rare wyvern]

Are you pursuing a degree at all? Or certs?

It's definitely hard to get your foot in the door without some record of your abilities

[dim jay]

Guys, let's say that I want to be backend dev. I can only choose one programming language and one database to focus on. Which one should I choose in these two fields?

[near ocean]

Why do you limit yourself to one lang/db

[dim jay]

To start working. I want to focus only on one of which one, and them learn others

[near ocean]

You cant really find a job only knowing one language/db

[dim jay]

Really? Shit...

Alright, so can you tell me the best languages and BDS to learn?

[sly holly]

I mean, best is a hard descriptor @dim jay. Best can be defined as fastest, which would be something like Go/Rust combined with a fast cache solution like redis (though not very persistent). Best can be defined as highly available, so basically any language and something like MongoDB or any of the sql dbs... Best can be defined as easiest to understand/get started with and then you're into the Javascript/node/python territory with something like mongo/redis/postgres..

Best is at best very vague.. it'll come down to your use case and what you need (and have the budget for).

If you're just looking to get started on something, Flask and Mongo is what I started with... if you want more of a out of the box experience you can switch over to Django and try your hands at Posgres/MySql.. Personally at work we use all kinds of technologies, Java Spring and Redis/Mongo... C# .net core with distributed in memory databases, etc.

I'd just focus on understanding when to use something, what the benefits of SQL vs NoSQL are and maybe even touch some of the cache things for fun. Finally just get to know how they interact and some of the issues you'll find. Most of the time for what I do as an engineer, I don't really ever touch databases directly, it's all handled by downstream applications, so maybe you might not even need to know so much on setting the database up, rather focus more on consuming other apis.

[lime stag]

I'll be starting a degree in Math and CS or Computer Engineering in August

I've done Code jam and FHC in the past, if that means anything, also I've wrote a couple of games and a chess engine

[rare wyvern]

At a university?

[lime stag]

yes

I'll be at a state university in a large tech state, also how many languages should I learn? I'm confident that I'm expert level in java and python, and intermediate level in c++, but is it valuable to learn SQL and javascript?

[rare wyvern]

Go through your university to find opportunities. There are research positions with grant money, professors with links to industry, opportunities for students that can be more easily found through school resources. You'll also meet people that work and if you get to know them they can get you an interview

SQL is very valuable for anything, so it's worth knowing at least a little. Javascript is good for web-dev, so it depends on what you want to do

[lime stag]

I spoke to an advisor, he said it would be hard to find a job through university until I at least completed a year of education, but ideally I'd like to start sooner, would it be possible to find any first job before finishing a year of university?

[rare wyvern]

In coding? It would probably be difficult. In general, there are plenty of opportunities

Work experience in any industry of office setting can be valuable for future positions
Or research

[lime stag]

I've sent about 100 resumes to different companies, and haven't received a single response, is there something to do in the meantime?

[rare wyvern]

The best way to ease your financial load, if that's the concern is to get a scholarship. You get money just for being a student and getting good grades

It's typical for companies to automatically filter out people with no work experience or without a degree, unfortunately

[lime stag]

I can't, my parents make way too much money for me to even be considered, but they also have near terminal diseases

I applied to around 5 scholarships in the meantime and filled out the FAFSA form but got nothing of value, or at least nothing that would make an appreciable dent on the tuition

[rare wyvern]

I believe there are lots of private, non-financial based scholarships. Talk to people and keep looking. Also depending on taxes, you can actually be considered independent at a certain point. You'd just have to do the math to figure out what makes sense there.
Other things to look at are grading positions, it's usually pretty easy work that lets you make a connection with a professor that might have future opportunities for you.

[lime stag]

that sounds good, looking further in the future, how good do you think the job market is for a new grad at a university? I heard that US development is being pulled towards india and china and the future outlook for developers is bleak

[vapid jay]

Hey people of this server I just want to know how I can get started and learn python

[lime stag]

https://docs.python.org/3/

[rare wyvern]

Try the resources page of the discord
!resources
Oof slowmode

[vapid jay]

Okay thanks

[rare wyvern]

There are plenty of opportunities still. Best way to get a job out of college is to get internships in the summers after sophomore and junior year

[lime stag]

Do you know if there is a difference between a 3 year bachelors degree vs a 4 year degree? also how much does your grades really matter at college

[rare wyvern]

They don't matter after a year or so out of college, but they really matter for internships and for the first job out of college. I'm not sure about a 3 yr program, some people rush to complete a 4ry program in 3 years, but that's a lot for a CS major, there is just so much to learn

[lime stag]

I'm heavily conflicted on taking 5-6 courses per quarter vs the recommended 4 so I can finish university as fast as possible and avoid paying excess tuition, how difficult are these courses assuming I have a strong Math background and in depth knowledge of at least 2 programming languages?

I looked at the course syllabus and such, but they seem to differ every year and its hard to gauge difficulty of a lot of the things I expect to learn

[rare wyvern]

Totally depends. There are some courses that just have so much material that 6 courses would be impossible. You also have to deal with preparing a speech on the civil war and memorizing the symptoms of a heart attack for physio or whatever in your GE classes.
If you enroll in 5-6 courses, you need to immediately figure out if the work load will be too much. Ask the professors how much time people spend to get an A, see what that workload looks like and drop at the drop deadline if you won't get all A's. You will be in a better spot if you make $20k in a summer internship bc you got straight A's and were able to spend 4 hours/week applying to internships and making connections vs getting out of school 6 months early with a 2.5 gpa

Or worse, having to retake classes bc you failed some. I went in with a physics major and failed 4 classes total and got a 2.7 average. It was really hard to find a first job (I had no internships and terrible gpa) but once I got an internship after college, I found a full time job that paid pretty well

In the comp-sci classes I took, the people in the classes were all comp-sci, they all new at least one programming language, and they all struggled a bit

Then again, I had a friend who went to a different school with a comp-sci major and had a pretty easy time. Curved grading is very real

[lime stag]

speaking of that, how are the GE classes in college? is it different for every school? I heard that a lot of times the professors will make the classes purposefully time consuming to force students to dedicate more effort to their classes

[rare wyvern]

Yeah there are definitely some bad ones. For the most part they were really enjoyable, and probably my favorite course in college was a GE. But if you take 6 courses, it will feel like such a pain to have to write some essay or something when you just spent hours working on coding

GE professors love when you care about their course, and hate when you don't, so it's good to spend the time and be on their good side

Also I'm not an authority on any of this, and take everything I say with a grain of salt, but feel free to add me if you have future questions

[lime stag]

Thanks for the help

[sly holly]

Can confirm, was a Teaching Assistant for 2 semesters, pay was decent at 12$ an hour (however I only had like 12-15 hours a week). Student loans can seem harsh, but coming out of college, the rates, even at 5-6%, are going to be much easier to deal with than rushing through college and having 0$ to your name. I finished in 3 years only to have to go into credit card debt to relocate to my job and get an apartment. Sure I was making decent money, but until those first few paychecks come in, you're at the same spot you were as a college student, living paycheck to paycheck. Definitely focus on good grades and don't feel like you need to drop immediately if you don't make an A. I believe you only get 6 drops total... so do what I did and drop the hardest class if its going to be a guaranteed D or F (especially if the GPA averages rather than replaces if you retake the class) Not going to lie, I had my most struggle with calculus 1 & 2 and Physics... CS courses were fine, but there definitely are some serious ones that you will struggle in, that's just par for the course (Data structures and discrete mathematics come to mind). If you really need to find a job, make sure to take advantage of any internships you can get as well as start looking for companies that have Early Career roles specifically as these tend to be the most lenient when it comes to getting in. Not only are academics important though, you need to be able to show that you are a good communicator and have some good projects you can discuss on your resume/portfolio (not necessarily required, but always good to have). Finally, don't rush through college if you can, most likely in our field you'll maybe end up going back for a higher degree, but the experience is different. Make friends, talk to people, enjoy your time there, I managed to get many of my friends jobs and one day might look to getting a job from them if needed.

[rare wyvern]

@lime stag

[quaint heath]

[opal timber]

Is it possible to win ACM-ICPC in 3 years, if I have no previous knowledge of coding but am really good at math Like INMO level (the stage before IMO camp in my country) . Or is it too unrealistically ambitious?

[wide sun]

surely you'll have an advantage on the number theory problems, but it's hard to say this early when you don't have any knowledge of data structures and algorithms

learn DSA and see how you do in it

[elder beacon]

I have a question on how to frame my experience.
I'm in a non dev team but I'm doing a lot of developmemt and data related work.
I've built and am building data pipelines(idk if this is the right term but it is the closest), built OCR apps, done web scraping and used Google Apps Scripts.
Since these are not exactly "proper" dev experiences I'm having trouble on what roles to apply and how to frame my work experience.
I'm interested in backend dev and data engineering because they seem the most similar to my experiences.

[sly holly]

Frame it in the outcomes you accomplished with your work, not just the technical details or specific technology used. It is important to mention it, but at least for backend engineering, you'll potentially have to supplement your experience with some projects/extra work that use backend technologies. I can't really comment much for the data engineering roles, those might be sufficient there...

[elder beacon]

Okay frame it as outcomes gotcha

[crude vault]

where is the best place to start learning python

[sly holly]

!resources
I enjoyed the codecademy course, but it's no longer free...

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[crude vault]

thanks

[sly holly]

The MIT Course is pretty solid otherwise

[celest bronze]

hey peeps! so i made it past my first interview into software engineering ( trainee edition)! now ive been given a small assessment, its not very hard theres a key value pair jason file, and i need to make requests like how many cars where sold in that year and it returns a number, pretty straight forward, now my question is, at what point am i over doing this? should i make a gui, do i just give em a run my code through the cmd?? they dont specify, ive never really worked TDD style before and they score you based on Tests so im like i know postman, but i use that for my online stuff can you use post man in python ?? rest api seems okay but i havent figured it out yet, if anyone can give me some guidance or mby some advice i would really appreciate it, im unemployed and hve like 6 days to make it, im not worried about the code i can do that but im more worried about file structures and what industry standards they are expecting with my program

[buoyant seal]

if you would do it with unittest (or it would be even better with pytest), you will definitely go for the right path

[celest bronze]

i kind of want to stick to the test tools they mention in the job description, there they use postman, MStest and protractor

[vapid jay]

with tdd you need you to encapsulate right and follow contracts. I don't think you would need a gui, but that could have been left open on purpose to test how you think

[buoyant seal]

protractor for js code
MStest for C# code
postman is general all purpose tool to show stuff to other people

It is your job to apply python testing framework to it.
If you would be evaluated by other devs.
If you are going to be evaluated by managers => go for postman

[vapid jay]

sorry, you are developing an api or requesting to one?

[celest bronze]

i have freedom to use what ever i want but they would pref : C#, js, python or typescript

[buoyant seal]

shrugs. use appropriate testing framework for the language of your choice

feel comfortable to apply any necessary technology to make it high quality

you should not be avoiding tools, just because they did not mention them.
if they allow you python, you are supposed to use python testing tools

[celest bronze]

tbh im approaching this outside in XD i havent written any code or anything yet tbh i might actually just do this in C# and make a nice webapp or something ... i come to the python devs cuz their cooler than the other ones

[vapid jay]

but are you supposed to develop an api or access one?

[buoyant seal]

well, then there is no problem.
use C# testing framework, MStest or whatever it is there better

[celest bronze]

i understand and that makes sense, although is using postman in python with that rest api seen as good practice ?

[buoyant seal]

I used postman a lot at the start when I was newbie.
As soon as I learned how to test application properly with pytest I abandoned postman. Using it rarely from time to time only.

Because test written as code, is just faster to launch%

we change our applications all the time, one small break there, breaks something else there.
It is impossible to test with postman everything all the time.
Using pytest or similar tools we test whole 80%+ of application in several seconds every time

( % coverage of tests, can be accessed with appropriate coverage tool )

[celest bronze]

@buoyant seali see thank you very much for your time and advice !

[celest bronze]

hi buho sorry for a delayed reply and they dont really specify which i need to do... so im guessing i can do either

[vapid jay]

mm i don't know what to tell you then, its a bit contextual on what position you are applying for, i mean the assessment might be anything from checking you know how to access a json file to checking you can provide an http endpoint for accessing and manipulating it. regarding tdd, ive never used postman but from what im seeing is an http client, this would not be what i would consider tdd, more like an integration test?

tdd is granular to an almost obsessive level

though i assume integration tests have their role in tdd too, but i would assume you are mostly expected to do unit testing

[celest bronze]

if you are willing and if you want i dont mind sending some of the things to you

and its abit odd for me cuz im like, its bad practice to have your data local right ??? so mby i need to do it through the api request thing

[vapid jay]

im sorry, i dont know if im the right person for it

[celest bronze]

nah all good thanks for your time and advice just discussing the this helps me a lot! @vapid jay

[sly holly]

Did they mention the ability to email them back with questions? Sometimes you're given something vague just to see if you are willing to ask for clarification @celest bronze. If that's the case, maybe asking to expand on their requirements might be a good idea. Otherwise, try your best from what you have and remember, test driven development starts with tests first, code second. Write meaningful tests here that validate proper code function. If they're asking for protractor make sure you're clear on your requirement for the front end. Their prompt is probably covered by NDA so make sure you don't share it.

[celest bronze]

you make a very good point, i can ask for more guidance but i feel like its a trap of note, the person i can contact is the person who interviewed me, which is head of software engineering.... not even a tech lead but the big boss i guess, not gna send that email, what i want to do is make sure the program is quite flexible and im gna use the assignment and job description to build the program

also adhere to SOLID and everything else industry standard related

[sly holly]

Best of luck m8

[celest bronze]

thanks dude !

[charred ibex]

guys, im new to python and I just made a very simple calculator!

start = input('Welcome to the super basic calculator made by me! Press enter to start! ')
choose = input('Press enter again to start choosing your numbers.')
numA = input('Number 1: ')
numB = input('Number 2: ')
numC = input('Number 3 (Dont want it? Type down a 1 or 0 depending of your operation): ')
mode = input('Please choose one: addition, subtraction, division or multiplication? ')
if mode == 'addition':
print('And the result is...')
print(int(numA)+int(numB)+int(numC))
elif mode == 'subtraction':
print('And the result is...')
print(int(numA)-int(numB)-int(numC))
elif mode == 'division':
print('And the result is...')
print(int(numA)/int(numB)/int(numC))
elif mode == 'multiplication':
print('And the result is...')
print(int(numA)*int(numB)*int(numC))
else:
print('Did you misspell something? Check the spelling and punctuation!')

[river quest]

Hi everyone. I've been looking at Enrolling in a 6 month Data Science course online from Lambda School. Its a 30k course so I wanted to see if anyone had any experience with the school or input on the course? I can send details if anyone needs.

[carmine pike]

Best comp sci school anyone?

[analog sun]

The one you graduate from 😉

[radiant moon]

"The best beer is the beer in your hand"

[fickle kraken]

Hello, everyone! I'm building my first API with Django right now, and I was wondering if you could recommend me some must-have projects to land a junior position as backend python developer!

[ocean pasture]

Is there a significant difference in chances of finding employment in python/data science field when comparing professional courses (ex: Coursera, Udemy) vs college/university bachelor degree? Can proven knowledge and a portfolio of projects with no degree do as well as someone with a degree?

[gray anvil]

proper data science is still a very academic field, so degree trumps all.

data engineer, analyst, maybe you can get in without a degree,

[vapid jay]

Guys between udemy and codecademy which platform is better for learning python?

[tardy grotto]

check reviews between both, udemy has a lot of python courses though so go for the most popular and compare them to the one to your liking.

I like udemy, its cheap and on-demand subjects have high quality courses. There's less support though compared to other online paid courses (which are more expensive)

[inner rain]

can also recommend using Anaconda with Jupyter Notebook. wont teach you how to program Python but you can use it while learning. theres a Python udemy course that uses it as well.

https://www.anaconda.com

[wary cave]

How do I get some projects to make some "pocket change"? I tried fiverr

[wary cave]

freecodecamp.com on youtube

I'm at an intermediate level

[vapid jay]

Thanks to everyone who showed up for helping me.

[hot panther]

today is my first day attempting programming something useful, I wish tha-

[lucid birch]

[icy pagoda]

!resources you could check these out

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[vapid jay]

#discord-bots

[karmic snow]

Help my pleas
how to create a porogram on python

[stable tartan]

Wdym?

Do you mean, How can you learn python?

Check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXeEoD0pB3E&list=PLsyeobzWxl7poL9JTVyndKe62ieoN-MZ3

Python would be good for your career, as it's a leading lang of the day

[sonic bluff]

Any UI/UX professionals here? I currently am a data analyst who utilizes python (hence why I am here) but I am curious if there are any others who have made this sort of swap career wise! Looking for any type of advice or guidance you may be able to offer

[wary cave]

Where can I get some paid python projects I could do?

[lime stag]

🥳 🥳 I finally got a job as a freelancer

it turns out if you are skilled even without a degree its not too difficult to just go on a freelancer site

[spice musk]

Thats good to hear, but a lot of freelance sites these days are just modern day slavery so got to stay careful.

[buoyant seal]

The opposite is true too. They are full of incompetent people as well.

That makes me really questioning how am I going to seek frontender with reliability that he Is qualified

Perhaps to dive for a week into frontend my self in order to get small grasp of how to score them at least?🤔

[spice musk]

Well that’s all down to project management and managing your budget.

Or what the client wants

[buoyant seal]

Ffs, I am one man army there and supposed to solve all technical related problems

Sometimes wishing for a new job because of it

[spice musk]

I guess if your paid to do that then yeah.

When time is of value, I don’t touch anything that’s not directly related to me. It just not worth it, nor would I ask someone to.

[buoyant seal]

Being paid good enough, and having interesting tasks help, and uncomfortable to change job yet. That makes me staying

At the same time I can allow full honesty. Because I am not afraid to be fired. That is really cool

[buoyant seal]

If I would ignore unrelated to me problems, the company would suffer a lot. I am basically the last hope for those problems to be not left unattended

[spice musk]

Well yeah because that is your job. I’m talking about when working with others.

[buoyant seal]

I am always at least notifying of their existence
And offering potential solution if I have one

[buoyant seal]

Technically it is not.
As backend and devops person, it is not my obligation to solve frontend development path, making code reviews to desktop applications in a language last time used 5 years ago by me, translating business letters, solving conflicts between boss and colleagues, notifying of potential disaster in chosen business strategy, or just installing working stations

But at the same time... who else except me?
The only thing I don't like about it, that it distracts me from my main duties and a bit slows growth

I look at those distractions as an opportunity to grow soft skills often though

Translating what client wishes to tech tasks... That is surely a needed soft skill

[limber rampart]

Are you the only programmer in your company?

[buoyant seal]

But at the same time it makes me a bit too wide spreaded. I am just one person, I am not a superman
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xl2sAypyMg

[buoyant seal]

xD, yes

[spice musk]

Yeah just make sure you don’t hit burnout with all those tasks

[buoyant seal]

Yesterday I was given a task to make code review for an abandoned 4 years old project in a completely unfamiliar for me language and tech stack.
I was able to succeed despite add odds.
The project was basically using same... principles I use.
I just needed to apply it to completely different language.
Still another big distraction

[spice musk]

Code review for who? I thought your the only dev?

[buoyant seal]

I am. boss just asked to review the web project, which his friend who is a boss of a medical organization had

absolutely unrelated to my main work task%

[spice musk]

Ah capito

I would’ve told him to F off. Is he paying you for that other companies work?

[buoyant seal]

technically yeah. I did it in my working hours anyway

I just feel hard to concentrate after making completely unrelated tasks to my main work%

I have a RAM limit to my memory too, it needs a sleep in order to launch its garbage collector

[spice musk]

Yeah then let your manager or boss know if your not happy with some of the tasks. Otherwise like you said earlier you’ll be wishing for a new job.

[buoyant seal]

eh, we are the moment at the stage close to production
I just wish to walk through current development stage first before swapping the job
If I would switch now, I would reach the same stage much later

I wish to experience later stages of a software product lifecycle

I think the job would work well for me in nearby 2-3 months, I would get quite precious experience

plus salary is good. I have a lot of freedom I guess.

or at least it is good by my local market standards, if I would walk a bit further from where I live, it will turn itself from carriage to pumpkin

I guess that makes me more sure in my path

I just need to concentrate on filling the blanks in the knowledge I have for the next few months.

and then (hopefully at this stage situation with the current job perhaps resolve itself on its own)

I will be probably looking for a new job, I'll check if there would be remaining interesting tasks left at the current job

at the same time current job is quite good, as it is a great sandbox to train my skills

I literally learn and apply them all there at the same time, which makes the best learning.

the current job is not exhausted itself of its usefulness and learning experience I think

so it is definitely worth it to continue for now

[vapid jay]

what kind of internships would someone learning python to work with data look for? Are there companies out there that look for interns for data science?

[radiant moon]

probably
I'd check Amazon, Google, Apple, Microsoft

[vapid jay]

Also, if such an internship is available, how advanced should one be before applying for an internship? I've personally been learning Python for 2 months and also know a little html, but I'm not sure when to begin applying

[quasi pecan]

2 months is quite less imo

Do you know machine learning frameworks such as tenserflow?

[vapid jay]

no I don't

[quasi pecan]

Those are required for data science

[vapid jay]

oh

[quasi pecan]

I'm pretty sure you need atleast 6 months of practice along with good understanding of machine learning

Data structures and algorithms are also important

[vapid jay]

how advanced is tensorflow?

After I finish the book I'm currently learning from, I'd like to begin exploring some of the data science libraries or other features of python, my plan was to begin working with astro.py but I could potentially do multiple

[quasi pecan]

I'm not sure, and could you tell which book you are learning from?

[vapid jay]

Automate the boring stuff, I'm currently about to finish the chapter on Web Scraping and have covered all before that

I had initially gone through a 6 hour python beginners course a month ago, but this book seems to be smoother for me to learn from

[quasi pecan]

Must be the mosh one

[vapid jay]

yeah

[quasi pecan]

You should have solid understanding of the basics of python before going into fields like data science

Mosh's course only tells you the basics, which is not enough. I prefer you get a digital course from udemy, preferably from learnprogramming.academy. Courses are usually expensive, but new accounts get really good discounts
After finishing the course, you should look into concurrency and then data science

Concurrent code is important to learn data science

[vapid jay]

will finishing Automate the boring stuff not be sufficient enough to begin learning data science afterwards? I've definitely learned much more than what was taught in the course by Mosh, but I understand if I still need more foundational knowledge

[stoic sphinx]

is software enginering a good career choice?

[quasi pecan]

I prefer videos over books, but it's up to you. But reading that book after completing a certified course will get much more out of it

[vapid jay]

I see, thanks

[stoic sphinx]

m 13 rn i have choose science or commerce i have interest if software enginering is good and how u all feel

[quasi pecan]

Depends on what field you would like to go into

[vapid jay]

I'll consider getting a udemy course then once I finish this book

[quasi pecan]

Alright

[stoic sphinx]

i will mostly go in software development

like codes java c++

[quasi pecan]

Then you should start learning python, it's the easiest first language to learn

[stoic sphinx]

tes ik im learning python

[quasi pecan]

After that java, then maybe c and c++

But you should research about what software engineers do and how they do it

To get a better understanding of how programming is in reality

[stoic sphinx]

first python then java and c++ then html and stuff , ik how to code like a beginner tryna improve my self

[quasi pecan]

Html is used for web development only, and not software development

[stoic sphinx]

ohk ty

[quasi pecan]

You should research what development exactly is before choosing your languages

Get to know basic terms such as compilers, api, servers etc

[stoic sphinx]

tysm to help me out

[quasi pecan]

No problem

[stoic sphinx]

bye now my break is going on so doing visual studio code prac

doing python rn

[quasi pecan]

I prefer intellij over vscode, but if you prefer vs it fine

[stoic sphinx]

does intellij help in correcting strings and stuff?

@quasi pecan its almost the same vscode

[marble wigeon]

Hello everyone

This is Raven... I'm new here... Can you please help me in learning coding?

[flat tree]

This is not a help channel. If you want help, please use our help channels. See #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

okay

[round spruce]

Hi raven 😁

No

[quasi pecan]

its quite different
vs code is a lightweight code editor, while intellij is a more complex one
its more feature rich, but requires heavy installation and some extra cpu power
if you want to edit small programs lightweight editors like vscode are best, otherwise intellij

[stoic sphinx]

ty

[valid sentinel]

Hey all, I do a heap of reporting/database management in Excel. By no means an Excel expert but that's about as technical my programming/coding is.

I've currently started trying to teach myself python to enhance my database management and reporting capabilities.

Does python integrate well into Excel ? Can you point me in the right direction on what I should be learning?

Or if im completely in the wrong ballpark and python isn't suitable?

[candid musk]

@valid sentinel Hey, not an expert here, but Python surely is amazing to use with excel. I have used Python libraries such as numpy, pandas, and openpyxl/xlsxwriter to read/write data from/to Excel files. Definitely explore these libraries and see what they offer to you.

[valid sentinel]

Thanks, will look some of those up 👍👍

[vapid jay]

Hmm

[vapid jay]

Hi what job in python pays the most

Backend or ML and stuff

What language would be best for backend?

[radiant moon]

best way to answer that is to look at job postings
pay depends a lot on location and a million other things

[radiant moon]

probably "Senior Principal Architect" at Amazon in Seattle or Google in Mountain View
or Microsoft, &c &c

[crude fern]

Anyone got some good ideas for major projects?

[radiant moon]

online bridge game 🙂
I've been meaning to do this for years, but can't get up the energy

[crude fern]

It has to be something innovative, I dont think a game qualifies for that

[radiant moon]

heh, there's only like one that already exists that I know of and it's embarrasingly outdated (BridgeBase)

[crude fern]

No, I meant it should be something which can be published. like a research project

[radiant moon]

? don't see why you can't "publish" an online game

[crude fern]

I've been thinking about a peer to peer ride sharing app using blockchain

but according to my prof, this still doesnt qualify as "major" project

[digital fjord]

if you want research, it should be furthering human knowledge, rather than being actually useful as an app, no?

[crude fern]

yes, kind of

[digital fjord]

machine learning is still mostly terra incognita. You could look into type inference for logical programming or stack based languages. There is still room for overall fast evaluation methods for logical programming. If you can figure out an alternative data race santiser to rust and pony, that would also be quite neat.

that's about all the areas of CS I understand barely enough to have ideas.

[crude fern]

yeah, I want to stay away from ML😅. I am keeping it as last resort

[digital fjord]

there is probably also some room for progress in partial solutions to the halting problem

well, I gave you a bunch of other options

[crude fern]

I will look into stack based languages, looks interesting

[crude fern]

are you asking for software jobs?

in general you need to know about their company, what kind of work you did which fits their job description, and their common requirements.

[white lodge]

I would recommend you do python for the job as it can get stressful. Start enjoying the language and then u can go with a gud job

[jovial cedar]

Hey everyone, I wanted to study computer science in Uni but was wondering what sort of skills is needed; I am currently planning to write my personal statement.

Thanks in advance! 😆

[digital fjord]

well, the whole point of uni is to teach you, so if you have a high school education, you should be fine

[jovial cedar]

@digital fjord Thank you. I also agree but it seems my personal statement is asking me to identify the skills the course required :/

[near ocean]

Skills as in, technical skills or soft skills? Personal statements arent supposed to showcase your technical skills, but you character, your ambitions, your soft skills, etc

[mellow crest]

walter

[sharp skiff]

ML for sure...

[sharp skiff]

Python for sure

in term of learning curve, would be the shortes

[modern crow]

Is it possible to start making orders, after learning 1-2 hours daily throughout the year?

[light steeple]

it depends irl yes python maybe

[tardy grotto]

hey fellas, anyone know good ways to make some extra bucks on the weekend with python?

[round spruce]

Make discord bots on fiverr, assuming you don't get swarmed by bots on there like I did

Or just commission discord bots for people you know

I've done that a couple times

[old pagoda]

what easy scripts could i make in python?

[tardy grotto]

thanks!

[tropic lava]

a crypto based mail delivery app where you can transport things for people to get payed

[tropic lava]

A online ai that can make words into pictures based off the users input

[sharp skiff]

Freelancer.com?

[feral sand]

learn another language

[crude fern]

thats not a project, lol

[icy zenith]

Hi all, my name is Olivier. I currently live in Belgium where I am building a startup with 2 friends of mine. As the main dev I would love to meet someone for colab.
In 2 weeks we are validating our product, after that we will look for investors. Cheers

[digital fjord]

@jagged spindlehello, we do not allow recruitment

[vapid jay]

heyy people....iam from australia and iam 14 years old. i want to get started in coding and programming...for my future career (as well as a hobby in general) i was wonder if any of u guys could help me get started (i have no clue on how or where to start with coding in general).😅

[digital fjord]

!resources we have a list of resources, automate the boring stuff is quite good

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[placid ledge]

after leaning python can we create Applications?

[tardy grotto]

If you feel like you can, yeah. Learning the fundamentals give you most of the building blocks to help you create an application. Assuming you're talking about a simple application.

I think a good step now would be to learn libraries or frameworks to help you make what kind of application you want, then check tutorials online for that kind of application using the python language

[placid ledge]

ty

[sharp skiff]

Ofcourse…

[sharp skiff]

If you just about to start learning on your own, the easier way for now is create an account on codecademy.com it will guide u step by step, look for python class.

[plucky tendon]

I am 13 yo how I start coding from this age

[sharp skiff]

Can follow the above i mention, or you can learn frem the resource in this server

[sharp skiff]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[digital fjord]

!resources @vapid jayhello, we have a curated lists of learning resources for python on our site. I have personally heard good things about automate the boring stuff second edition

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[vapid jay]

umm for beginers ?

[digital fjord]

yes, automate the boring stuff and python crash course for example are meant for people who have never programmed before, so if you know JS, you should be able to breeze through the early chapters

[vapid jay]

k thanks

[primal hawk]

what do you enjoy more frontend or backend?

[digital fjord]

backend

[dry sapphire]

for postgraduate application, is it a big problem if your referees are solely from industry?

[tawdry grove]

not really, I mean, you don't have a professor that can write a reference for you at all? - and I should add that its okay that its only from industry. I think the main thing is that the recommendations are from great people and written well and describe the type of person you are, preferably in a good light.

[dry sapphire]

it's been a few years since my bachelor's, so I'm just planning for the worst case

[tawdry grove]

I mean, I would hope you have a bunch of projects in that time or alot of work experience - cause really that is what really matters. Practical experience and good recommendations. They want Graduate students who can help them in their studies.

[dry sapphire]

not worried about the work experience part

I guess my question is more along the lines of - will good universities be sufficiently swayed by industry performance alone? I don't have any papers published or stuff like that, so I'll be going in (presumably) on 3 strengths: industry references, GRE, and personal statement

[near ocean]

What are you going in for

[dry sapphire]

like what degree?

[near ocean]

Yea, is it a masters? It wont matter for that, it might for a phd tho

[dry sapphire]

ye, Master's; not interested in a PhD now (probably ever). in some variant of software engineering, artificial intelligence, machine learning, and computer science

[near ocean]

I went for an msc in 2019 straight from a bachelors with zero work experience/publications/etc
All I had was a reference from my tutor
Tbh i wouldnt be that worried but maybe you can contact the head of the dept youre aiming for and ask in an informal fashion

[dry sapphire]

you have to take GRE, right?

[near ocean]

I had classmates that took a break from work or quit to do the degree, also with no publications or other academic achievements, just work experience

I didnt have to take any test besides an english comprehension test
This is for the UK btw

[dry sapphire]

oh, okay

sorry, I should have clarified that I'm applying to US

[near ocean]

Yea just realised, i would still contact someone from the dept and ask informally

[dry sapphire]

got it, thanks!

[weary juniper]

@rugged bobcat this would be a nice channel for your questions

concerning a cybersec and cs degree

[river musk]

hey i have learned Django and have made 3-4 projects , what should i learn next

?

[radiant moon]

some cloud service -- AWS, Oracle, Google, Azure, Salesforce
get your projects hosted on one of 'em. Figure out how to use their fancy storage (NoSQL or SQL). Figure out how to use an "Application Gateway".

[river musk]

Thank you

[rugged bobcat]

Ok for careers what would be better, having a computer science degree or having a cyber security degree?

[dry sapphire]

that...would depend on the job.

[radiant moon]

my gut tells me the latter, since it's less common
my gut also tells me that degrees are worthless, but then my gut is pretty cynical 🙂

[dry sapphire]

but it would seem to me that a cybersecurity degree would be better for a cybersecurity position 🥴

[rugged bobcat]

I am asking what degree is more versatile to have

[dry sapphire]

talk to me when you come to my country and can't get interviews because you don't have a relevant degree 😔

[rugged bobcat]

Or basically what degree is better to have in the long run

[radiant moon]

ignore the cynical response, and stick with the first one
I suspect waaaay fewer people are good at computer security, than know basic CS stuff

'course it probably varies greatly by country

[dry sapphire]

"versatile" is a different from "better", and "long run" depends wholly on your career aspirations.

that said, I would agree with @radiant moon in that many devs don't know much about security, and security is really important in this day and age

[smoky quest]

computer science degree. It opens more doors

[shadow moss]

CS, but my recommendation is always more broad degrees then specialty degrees.

[smoky quest]

depending on the school, there might be specializations too

[shadow moss]

If you really want to do CyberSecurity, there might be a minor you can get

[smoky quest]

going into security from CS is also easier than the opposite

[shadow moss]

that too, your first job in cybersecurity may be slightly harder to find then someone with pure cybersecurity degree but after that, no one will care

[vapid jay]

Is python good for backend

[shadow moss]

not really a career question

[woven island]

which is better for beginners, python or javascript?

[shadow moss]

depends on what you want to do, data stuff, SRE work, light automation, Python. Anything web related, Javascript

[woven island]

I mainly develop discord bots, which is better?

[shadow moss]

Either or I would say. Some people would say Javascript being natively async is better but it's totally up to you. Discord bots generally isn't a career

[woven island]

hmm, I understood

[languid birch]

can i move to blockchain development using python?

[tawdry grove]

If you want some money, developing ML algorithms is lucrative. - and yes.

[vapid jay]

how i can learn python begging to expert ?

[vapid jay]

start somewhere and keep practicing till you make youtube

[viral loom]

Guys do u habe a job where u are programming

[lean stirrup]

yes

[smoky quest]

sometimes

[balmy bramble]

A bit of an odd question, if I wanted to become a back end web developer or an intern for that kind of position, would I need to study leetcode

[smoky quest]

yes

[balmy bramble]

Like in all jobs? I thought that was only for FAANG and other high ranked organizations

[smoky quest]

it's industry standard to have this type of question

While I dislike them as much as the next person, I would worried if there was no technical question on the interview. That would speak negatively of the quality of my future team mates

[balmy bramble]

Even in front end jobs?

[smoky quest]

frontend jobs might not be as technical as backend. But would you really hire anyone who claim to be one without checking if they are legit?

It also looks like you are determining your future based on the easiest interviews. That's a pretty bad optimization mechanism overall

[wicked wasp]

hey, i'm a college student and i have been learning web development on my own and this is my final year and i don't see any good signs that my college is gonna offer any good employment opportunities what should i do to get hired also, i have a lil bit knowledge of cloud computing and security.

anybody care to comment?

[balmy bramble]

Oh it was hypothetical since I’ve never had a proper interview

[smoky quest]

don't worry too much about it. They aren't that bad once you practice a bit

[balmy bramble]

Yeah I’ve been practicing in edabit and other websites but I’m still 17 as well so I might be stressing out for no reason

[smoky quest]

yeah, you have plenty of time

[visual oracle]

Is a 3 years bachelors in CS worth it ?

[smoky quest]

yes

even Ms if you can

[prime stag]

Hello

Whassup😋

[visual oracle]

Is this good enough curriculum ? (I'm really confused whether I should do a 4 year bachelors or this one) : https://www.edu.unideb.hu/tartalom/downloads/Computer Science BSc bulletin-2017.pdf

[smoky quest]

this seems pretty specialized?

[visual oracle]

This is how the course is structured , I don't think it's possible to choose freely.

[smoky quest]

The other curriculums I have seen seem a bit more generic

the main thing is whether it delivers a recognized license or master at the end

[visual oracle]

It's a degree program so it surely does provide that. Not sure if it's recognized enough.

[visual oracle]

Can be because it's focusing more on applied skills ?

[smoky quest]

maybe. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I am just giving you what I think comparing to other programs

[visual oracle]

I have some good programming experience, I just want to learn something new.

[smoky quest]

looks like .hu is Hungary. I would just make sure it's recognized at the european level

[visual oracle]

Yes, it's University of Debrecen (HU)

Not well known outside Hungary of course.

[buoyant seal]

it depends on which country, in my country I think only BS worth of its time. MS looks a bit meh. I received MS, but its.. well, not really brought me that much in skills like BS, I would say almost nothing, even if I received grades in MS much better.

[sharp skiff]

You can start by creating portofolio, and then apply for freelance project…

[wicked wasp]

Okay…

[hollow summit]

which are the best freelancing sites ?

I heard that either topal, fiverr or upwork, i set a profile on all 3, but i tend to like more upwork

tag me when respond

[dim jay]

Guys, do you think that produce content for social media helps to find a job? I saw that it's important to every people today work their personal brand on social media, but I can use the time that I would be producing content and improve my skills in programming.

May you guys algo tell me the best and worst social medias for DEVs?

[prime sorrel]

My Maths is very poor and I love coding. My Mom says I will amount to nothing because I am very bad at Maths. Do you guys think that I will be able to achieve my dream

[vapid jay]

start with coding small games. There are 6h long videos with some of the beginner games explained.

[plucky tendon]

How can I perceive/choose coding as a career

[near ocean]

You choose stem subjects at school, you perform excellent at them, you go to university for a computer science degree, you graduate, you get a job as a software dev

[plucky tendon]

Ok thnx

Which are the good Colleges for coding/software developer/software engineer

[near ocean]

Depends on where you live, how big your bank is and how good your grades are

[plucky tendon]

Haha

Is it ok here to share where I leave

[near ocean]

Dont be too specific, just share a general area

[plucky tendon]

India

Do you know?

[near ocean]

No idea about india, just wait for someone who does to answer i guess

[plucky tendon]

Hmm

[prime sorrel]

Fergusson, Hansraj College and Miranda House

o wait sorry these arent IT related

[plucky tendon]

Hmm ok

[plucky tendon]

Ok

[lethal pelican]

Do you think its a good idea to learn programming for aerospace engineering?

[night pasture]

anybody knowledgable of the use of programming in the motorsports industry (F1, F2, GT Series, etc.), as well as how i can set up myself to be a better candidate for work in those areas?

[plucky tendon]

Are IIT'S good for coding and software things

[hard fjord]

guys if there value in learning python if you are aiming to work in finance?

[near ocean]

yes

[ivory shuttle]

i have a question before putting down roblox development and put all my time into learning python, what are some high paying jobs with python skills other than data scientist? i wanna learn coding or programming for my future, i dont wanna be broke like my dad

idk if im in the right channel to ask this

[smoky quest]

google is your friend. There are websites like levels.fyi, glassdoor, etc. which can give you an idea. Note it's dependent on your education, country, company, etc.
People don't categorize themselves based on the language. They categorize themselves based on the area of specialization (ex: frontend, backend, qa, mobile, industrial automation, etc.).

[smoky quest]

I know nothing about that area. But in your shoes, I would look at the type of company you want to work for, go their career page and look at their job openings. That will show you the requirements and type of jobs available in that area

you kind of burned a lot of bridges last time by insulting everyone

[near ocean]

is that in USD? and youre thinking of not doing their task?

[drifting ruin]

Does anyone know about hiring practices in Europe, specifically Scandinavia, about how someone without a formal university degree could get hired?

[tardy grotto]

Noob question, should one consider himself a junior dev based on real job experiences alone? If so, how many months or years would it be enough for him to consider himself one?

[tardy grotto]

actually, whats the criteria people use?

[radiant moon]

what difference does it make? Call yourself what you want on your resume and linkedin page; apply for whatever job looks reasonable

[smoky quest]

Junior is roughly less than 2 years of professional experience

[lapis coyote]

Idk if this belongs here, I put it in a different section at first. If this is wrong as well, I apologize and will delete it.

Just trying to get some hands-on experience. My credentials include SEC+, GSEC, GCED and GCIA. I have worked with GPYC, but haven't really done much other than the boot camp.

[radiant moon]

I recognize literally none of those acronyms 🙂

[lapis coyote]

SANS/GIAC certs in cyber security.

[vapid jay]

Anybody have any advice for a technical interview at google? What should i be directing my time studying the most to prepare

[lean stirrup]

check glassdoor for your specific position, though last i checked it is pretty much leetcode problems as well as potentially architecture questions

[sturdy trail]

I have a question... I want to become a programmer but I can't decide whether to learn app developing and all or robotics stuff for the future. So can anyone help me with this?

[smoky quest]

they are both valid paths and it depends a lot on what you care about and your situation. Don't expect someone to tell you which one here.
So make a list of pros/cons for each and ask people in these fields about their day to day activities, etc.

[sturdy trail]

oh ok... the thing is I want to do robotics but Idk anything about it

[smoky quest]

robotics is also pretty wide in itself.
If you don't know anything, then go to career fairs, pick up some skills yourself and investigate. Otherwise you may think you like it, but the reality of it may or may not be different

google?

[sturdy trail]

Yeah maybe.... thanks :)

[gray warren]

For career, I suggest searching about python in google, there's an easter egg, you'll be directed to google's foobar

[wide sun]

foobar is kinda random, i got into it for searching itertools

don't expect to get it by searching specific things

[buoyant seal]

it is heavily outdated. ffs, it is still offering Python 2

[wide sun]

yeah lol

im not sure they're recruiting it from it nowadays

[night pasture]

thanking you

[prisma orchid]

Hi, I've been really conflicted in choosing what job would be best for me... I'm good at data structures and stuff... So good at coding in general... I have a job offer as SDE, but I also got an offer for an Analyst profile that is giving 2x more compensation... Should I take it? Or stick to coding? Please help me out

[west rover]

Hi , I am into data science and machine learning using python and SQL amongst others . I know I can work/intern as a data analyst,data scientist or machine learning engineer but of recent I have interest in backend web development . What do I need to know about backend and what framework do I trend on pls

[dusty heath]

Hello, Is there a job board available in this server?

[digital fjord]

no, consider looking at the links in the channel topic

[buoyant seal]

There is map for backend
https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap

Framework django is good one
But beginners usually advised to start with flask

I have a second backend map somewhere

With more details regarding python
Not accessible from smartphone though, which I use at the moment

[fringe oyster]

guys if one day i decide to work in a tech company will my github be useful ?

[near ocean]

Uh, yes?

[fringe oyster]

and do u think ai will be a good career option in 5 y

[near ocean]

career choices are personal, even if its in demand (which it probably will be) and pays well, if you dont enjoy it you wont do well in it

[glass solar]

deep tbh

[fringe citrus]

hello

I want to learn about python

[swift veldt]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[fringe citrus]

can anyone help

ok thnk you

[jagged crown]

any page to apply for jobs do you know?

[buoyant seal]

@jagged crown

[jagged crown]

ty

[west rover]

Thank you very much . I'm just seeing this

[west rover]

Kindly share when you gain access to it

[fallow roost]

Holy Crap I just got this in the mail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNFe7L1nUcw

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @rare dust permanently.

[vapid jay]

I'm in school full time right now. Is there any part time programming options for helping cover my tuition fees? All I can find around me is full time job openings

[digital fjord]

freelancing is the most common option

but I don't know a lot about it

[sage ginkgo]

Hi, it feels almost impossible to find your first job as a soft dev, any advice?

[smoky quest]

• Don't give up. Continue to apply
• It's a numbers game
• It's right in the middle of summer when many people are on vacation and thus recruiting slows down
• Get your resume reviewed
• Don't give up. Continue to apply
• Do postmortems of your previous interviews to understand what went well, what didn't go so well and what you can do to improve for the next ones

oh and also don't give up. Continue to apply

[sage ginkgo]

you said that twice 😉 Also, how would I know if I'm a junior, or below?

I have only completed 1 free lance project and never officially worked in development, but it seems that everyone want people with 1-2 years of commercial experience minimum

[smoky quest]

junior is the lowest

just apply if they say 1-2 years. The requirements are more like a wish list than a hard requirement. Rules can be bent for the right candidate

[exotic steppe]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[steep granite]

I don’t really have any projects since I am attempting to learn at this time. Is competing in Kaggle competitions a good way to add to your portfolio?

[rare wyvern]

Kaggle will never look as good as an independent project. You can definitely take inspiration from kaggle and take ideas to the next level. Projects related to community involvement, or related to a field that interests you will look especially good. That being said, if you need to say "yes I have implemented an lstm to solve an nlp problem" in an interview, kaggle is a great way to practice a wide array of techniques on real data

Probably the biggest problem with kaggle is that you aren't doing much data cleaning or presentation which are really big skills for data science. If you can gather your own data to solve a real problem that hasn't been solved, implement a basic linear regression model, then present your work in the form of an interactive notebook, a website, or a short video presentation, that will be way more impressive than using some complex BERT NLP model to get a slightly higher score on kaggle. For some places you need both skills, but I think the former is more impressive to hiring managers than the latter. And even if they don't look at your project, being able to talk about the full challenge gives you better material in an interview than "I solved x with y on kaggle"

[steep granite]

@rare wyvern appreciate the feedback. I will definitely pursue some scratch projects as well.

[vapid jay]

I am trying out some embeds with my bot.
working on the command help with the command prefix !

[echo grail]

got into it via headerless chrome

[plucky tendon]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[vapid jay]

https://chioualexander.medium.com/how-to-write-an-effective-software-engineering-resume-e42713a7a2ca

[vapid jay]

This one shocked me

[vapid jay]

https://www.topresume.com/career-advice/what-is-an-ats-resume

This is all from a LinkedIn group, they also shared an example resume:

[plucky tendon]

how to get a role in this server

[spice musk]

What role do you want?

[smoky quest]

wrong channel. You may have more luck in #python-discussion

[wise schooner]

how to go in security field using python

[woeful talon]

learn data science

[inland flax]

I want to go in fields of artificial intelligence am in 11th what all shall I keep in mind for now
And is it a good field for the upcoming years

Also I know basics of python so can someone help m getting better at python and programming

(If someone pays attention to this and reply please ping)

[wise schooner]

im new in python too where do i start from?

[woeful talon]

learn python basics

[wise schooner]

okay

[vital silo]

Hey Yall, Is there a channel where remote python jobs are posted ?

[celest bronze]

Switch on the computer

[digital fjord]

no, we are not capable of hosting a reliable job board, check the links in the channel topic

[woeful talon]

https://tenor.com/view/when-the-gif-22365584

[pliant vortex]

yeee~

[rustic shoal]

whats teh best thing to learn if we opt for cse in college

i mean particular branch

[celest bronze]

Hey peeps so i passed round 2! which means i got the second interview !

uhm its still very much a mystery what ill be doing exactly because they said be available for the rest of this week and Mon-Wed,

now when they say rest of this week i assume it includes the weekend Sat and Sun, also any idea what you would do in a second interview with that much open space?

I think it might be a presentation... not too sure but big thanks to yall who helped me !

[near ocean]

i doubt they would call you on a weekend to go for an interview
theyre usually done during normal work hours
they should also email you with details about what it is you would be doing
in my case they told me to prepare a 5min presentation on "my favourite app", it was so they could see how i would do with talking to strangers and also get me to meet with the rest of the team

[crystal canopy]

Hi there, I am starting to prepare data science seriously from the beginning. And am gonna complete whole data science within 6 to 12 months. If there is anyone who would like me join me, it would be great as we can study together. 🙂

Can DM me on personal chats if interested

to learn together

[celest bronze]

Im guessing you had to explain why its so good? Haha or how it works ;~;

[near ocean]

it was just going over the features and why i liked it

[celest bronze]

Also thank you for the insight, the c# guys immediately said they are supper disrespectful

Amd nothing else....

[smoky quest]

It's best to ask them directly to you can prepare accordingly

[celest bronze]

Eh i just told them what days im available

[inner wren]

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[stuck night]

Are there any certifications I can get or projects I can do to put on a resume/portfolio for internship or job oopritunities

[celest bronze]

I actually have no prior work experience, so what i did was mention 2 projects, how i developed them (what tools and frameworks) and what they do ex. Whatsapp clone, but made with flutter and firebase.

Not alot of internships or trainee positions expect you to have any work experience, in some cases its actually good cuz now they can train you the way they like their employees i guess

[stuck night]

True

[celest bronze]

So get like 2 nice projects on that CV, if you need some help making it lemme know i used a online tool to make it look all noice

(with the CV, projects are all u bby ) @stuck night

[nimble niche]

i love this projects

[hexed zealot]

I'm 18 years old, and currently have no Computer Science work experience (although I've done pest control sales if that helps lol). I know Python a good amount, although I wouldn't say I know many "advanced topics." I'm currently teaching myself C#, and I'm starting 3 web-dev classes: Client-side (HTML, CSS, JS); Server-side (PHP); and Database Management (SQL). My question is, is there any way I could get a CS job? (Maybe one that trains me and teaches me everything I need to know when I first start). I know it's a stretch, but I figured I'd ask and see if there were any opportunities.

[dry sapphire]

recruiting is not allowed here. but you can try freelancing? you should look for real life connections, too.

the viability of seeking a fulltime position with no experience and no education (I’m guessing) will vary wildly depending on where you are

[hexed zealot]

I'm in California

[dry sapphire]

but one thing you can do is contribute to open source.

and generally make stuff? at least you’ll have a portfolio to put in your CV

[hexed zealot]

Alright, thanks man. I appreciate it

[dry sapphire]

yw! focus on meeting more people IMO…they open doors.

[hexed zealot]

What do you think is the best way to meet people in this industry?

[dry sapphire]

it really depends. you’re relatively young.

meetups, servers like this, open source contributions are the big three, likely. you don’t have experience so connections of connections is unlikely

[sly stag]

How long would you say it took you all to feel "comfortable" with Python

I know that's an open-ended question and will differ but I've been learning for about a year and still feel lost

[dry sapphire]

it's not about feeling comfortable with Python, but about feeling comfortable with uncertainty and learning.

there'll always be something you don't know, and the hard part is embracing that and seeing it as an adventure, instead of a problem.

[sly stag]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense

I've been doing a lot of Python learning but other people are telling me I should focus on only SQL for now. I'm new to the field and want to learn as much as possible.

[inner wren]

Hey @round maple!

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[timber widget]

Hey all,

I'm a developer for a company that's exclusively using Microsoft services for their means (MS D365, C#, etc). I do some python on the side and love it, it's my go to language for any personal task I want to accomplish. Just fresh out of university in my first job heavily C# based - any advice for someone wanting to get into python as a job?

[buoyant seal]

what are u doing there with C#

[timber widget]

Microsoft Dynamics 365 plugin ins

[tidal finch]

I’m 14 and. I just started coding python is there any career paths I can choose at this age

[rare wyvern]

Probably the best use of your time is to build up your knowledge and make projects

Coding is useful in many fields, not just pure dev or programming fields

[marble pollen]

I just finished an internship at NVIDIA and was wondering with that strong company in my resume how can I make money during school. Any advice is extremely appreciated. I don't want to have a gap on my resume and if I can't find any job I've been thinking of projects.

[strong bay]

how about you just join the google coding competition???just by joining it you can fill some space onn your resume

[primal vale]

Hi all, Been learning Python, TKInter for the last couple months. been doing other little things on Codemy too in order to bring my career to a move IT based role which is what i have been planning on. I have in interview at the company i work at to an IT based role. The role is a junior IT technician. Has anyone here ever had a role like this, and can advise me on the type of interview I'm going to be going through?

[vapid jay]

hi I am just looking for a python complete coach who can teach me pls dm me bro I need help my level in python is complete noob!! Pls dm me

[fickle flax]

hello, is it helpful for developers to intern their first job at companies that use wordpress?
im not sure if should apply jobs that company is hiring devs just to use wordpress, as i not sure if that will help me later down the road

[marsh wind]

what are your longer term career goals?

[fickle flax]

@vapid jay leearning style mgiht be different but for me personally i find resouces on youtube helpful, there are many you can look into.

My long term carer goals is just to work as a fullstack dev - macchine learning, frontend and backend and mobile

[marsh wind]

no one does those 3 at same time 😁

for WP.... depends really on their approach. sometimes even if product is WP devs get to write whole plugins to fulfil business requirements. In that case it would be similar-ish to regular backend dev. But if it's using WP on a very basic level, probably I'd look for interning in something more related to your longterm goals

[fickle flax]

oh haha, it jsut i have big interest in those and im familar with those stacks right now but not professionaly

and to work at medium size companies they require professional experience with ML or backend work

[marsh wind]

usually you pick between web dev (fullstack or just FE/BE) mobile dev, game dev, ML engineer (not exactly dev often) or stuff like automation etc

satrting with backend can be a good way, since it's in demand everywhere and I think has lower entry barrier than ML (unless you are very good at it or at math stats, that's entirely possible). So pick a language(s)/stack(s) that interst you and go deeper in those in your internship search I would say.

[fickle flax]

yeah i am applying for just backend/front and ml intern positions, but if i were to apply to this position for wordpress i guess im afriad that i wont be able to build these skills and show it on my resume for future jobs

[gray anvil]

you've certainly got the right ideas

[marsh wind]

I mean, experience still counts. And value of internship is not just hard skills: it's also soft skills (and those you likely will get in wordpress internship too

[fickle flax]

oh okay thanks

[celest bronze]

So, ive made it to round 3, which is interview nr2, what scares me, is the fact that 2 Human resources will bw there, along with 2 tech leads and head of software engineering...
Now that's scary for me, they say the following '' The structure of the interview will be to discuss your assessment and for you to showcase your fit and experience to the team"
Where they might question what i was doing in the code, mby have me explain the patern im using and why i went with it,

Where they say showcase my fit and experience, its a lil hard i hardly have team work experience outside of uni, baisically none, and when it comes showcase my fit i guess my personality,

Now my big question is, what does it usually mean if there are so many important people in one meeting, does sallary get discused with that many people, are offers ever made? Also this is a trainee position... Or is this just a we can all agree this guy is okay kinda deal?

Anyways anyone have some tips for me uwu?

[marsh wind]

ofc it's better to go directly for one that also focuses on relevant hard skills. But if you've no choice, go for Wordpress one

[fickle flax]

Also, from your experience or anyone else, how much of backend should i know just to apply for intern backend role?
im following this roadmap (https://roadmap.sh/backend)

I am familar with github, hosting services, how to read API, express framework and basic queries for database and non relationdatabase.

@celest bronze if dont have prof experience for team members, im in same shoe as you, iit still good to tackle about projects you worked with on a team as those soft skills transfer. I not sure about all people in one meeting, but it good to be prepared- try glassdoor to find salary reviews on company and interview process

[celest bronze]

Already checked it, its abit hard cuz there wasnt too many posts for the south african branch and they are all over the world...
But other than that im gna see where i can improve the code sent and then explain the crap out of my code to the wall

[primal vale]

Anyone have any advice on this, would be greatly appreciated

[celest bronze]

Hey man, i have only been in like 3 interviews, although what i can say is the following, make a fake account claim fake sallary at some company and check in glassdoor what they do, they have a interview section, hiring process you name, and if you cant find your company look at other or just google what are common questions for that company, and for the interview itself i advise to check out Don Georgevich on youtube he gives great advice for interviews

[strong bay]

just to know is there any time limit in an interview??

[primal vale]

Thank you brotha, will have a look at that Georgevich guy. 🙂

[plain loom]

how to get cure if python bytes you?

[radiant moon]

sure, typically each is 45 minutes

[plain loom]

I need to show them my entire 18 years in 45 minute?

That's insane

[radiant moon]

🤷
the 45-minute interviews I've done have been in groups of five or six, so it takes all day
They're not trying to learn everything about your life; they're just trying to learn

• can you code
• are you an axe murderer

[strong bay]

what happen when it past the time limit??

does it mean you obviously fail??

[radiant moon]

after the 45 minutes are up, you move on to the next interview, or if it's the last one of the day, you're done

[still condor]

• are you an axe murderer
  hm is this really required? I thought we can learn our tools on the job

[radiant moon]

the whole point is to see if you use outdated tools. Good hires typically use poison or a katana

[strong bay]

btw,really appreciate it man....thanks for the information

[still condor]

but we integrated the fire axe with the fire hose pretty well on my last project

[radiant moon]

I think it's generally the really big companies that do the blocks-of-six-interviews; smaller companies might do a single longer one (two hours, say)

[celest bronze]

You heal bit by bit

[vapid jay]

thank you !

[late sage]

In what things Python works best? I've heard that it works good with machine learning and big data

[digital fjord]

automation and testing is where I find it is the best fit

[rare wyvern]

Yes python is good for ML and data science. It's also good for rapid development when you don't need an efficient solution and the program will only be used by the developer. That being said, it can also do a lot of other things very well.

[late sage]

That sounds cool

[marsh wind]

for internship usually you don't need much that's why it's intership and not a fulltime job

[tardy grotto]

if only linkedin positions didn't ask 3 years of experience on a framework in internship positions loll

[zenith viper]

I want to learn another language and I hesitate between rust and go. I know rust is for low level code and go is good with network related problems but not much more than that.
Is there one that is more pythonic in the syntax than the other? Or that is more useful overall? I don't have any projects in mind at the moment

[sage pumice]

why would you expect a language that isn't python to have pythonic syntax? they both have uses that they are good at, it just depends on what you want to do

[near ocean]

Rust would probably have the syntax closest to python

Havent interacted that much with go besides looking at random code
Go might have a bigger market demand however

[zenith viper]

why would you expect a language that isn't python to have pythonic syntax?
Because I love the python syntax.
they both have uses that they are good at, it just depends on what you want to do
I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

[zenith viper]

Thank you for your insight

[near ocean]

You can ask in offtopic channels, many people here are rust enthusiasts, they will definitely show rust off to sell you on it

[smoky quest]

Check out scala 3 then.
It's also an opportunity to see more of the jvm ecosystem

[lusty compass]

Does anybody know this?

[rare wyvern]

!e

def Total(Number=10):
  Sum=0
  for C in range(1,Number+1):
    if C%2==0:
      continue
    Sum+=C
  return Sum
print(Total(4))
print(Total(7))
print(Total())

[inner wren]

@rare wyvern :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 4
002 | 16
003 | 25

[alpine dome]

Hey guys, going into first semester of uni in software eng nex month. Anyone have any advice on the importance of GPA vs personal projects/technical expertise for first coop intership?

[smoky quest]

For internships, bad GPAs might be filtered out

[heavy oar]

How can I improve logic building and problem solving skills as a 1st year student?

[sage pumice]

solve problems

[celest bronze]

Well one way would be to play minesweeper, get into code wars or learn chess, read books on what kind of logic is out there, or read about how some problems are solved with the most logical solution, whatever nature did, cant remember the book i think it was natrual programing or, nature inspired programming, it gives you a bit to think about, how you approach logic is up to, read how the pros did it, you might find a way that suits you

[sage pumice]

chess doesn't help you with anything except playing chess

[heavy oar]

Can uh suggest a platform

[sage pumice]

codewars, leetcode, hackerrank. there's like 30 of them

[celest bronze]

Oh yeah, doesnt help with anything right, that is a opinion,

[sage pumice]

nothing related to solving computer science problems at least

[heavy oar]

Thanks, I will go through all your suggestions

[celest bronze]

He asked for problem solving skills and logic building, if you only turn to computers you are limiting yourself, you can develop problem solving outside of just coding problems, infact i think its a great thi g cuz you might have a different perspective, or even a different way of solving the problem inspired by an entirely different random activity

[sage pumice]

sure, but given that this is a programming server...

[heavy oar]

Oh yeah fair enough, I agree

[celest bronze]

It doesnt matter where you learn the skills

[sage pumice]

sure ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[heavy oar]

😅😅

She

[celest bronze]

I wouldnt know, lol, *she, best of luck!

[heavy oar]

Lol

Np

[marsh wind]

ignore that

[vapid jay]

Yesterday I had an interview, it was my first interview for a software dev position.

The first thing she did was kinda try to put me down, attacking my cv where she could

Is this a normal thing? Should I expect it on other interviews?

[smoky quest]

It should not be confrontational. Interviewers want to set you up for success since they want nice people to work with. And you are interviewing them as much as they are interviewing you. So pissing off candidates is the best way to not make them want to join you.
That said, there are assholes everywhere and you may have dodged a bullet.

But make sure to make the difference between someone trying to put you down from someone trying to understand your experience.

[wary quarry]

Anyone ever cold message a company's recruiter on linkedin? Thinking about doing that with a few companies and see how it goes, but also not really sure how to know if they are technical recruiters lol

[vapid jay]

I'm just a bit scared that I'm coming off as cocky in the way I'm presenting myself before the interview. I mean, there must be a reason that she felt that she needed to do that.

[near ocean]

How was she trying to put you down

[smoky quest]

Hard to say without much data. It could be you or it could be her.
You can go to a few more interviews and see how they go and compare. You can also ask your friends and acquaintance for mock interviews. You can also try to ask your mentors at your internships about how you came across and how to improve.

[vapid jay]

She attacked my choice of masters. I majored in physics, minored in mathematics, she was implying that I chose medical physics because I wasn't good enough for theoretical physics.

I'm still kind of offended tbh.

[smoky quest]

yeah that's not appropriate. She was an asshole

[near ocean]

What role were you applying for and did she actually say that or are you overplaying the situation

[vapid jay]

She strongly implied it. It was for junior python developer. She later was poking at my knowledge gaps, and in those cases I could tell that it wasn't an attack, just her assessing me

[near ocean]

Is this a company in the medical industry?
Regardless i wouldnt worry too much about it
One piece of life advice i give to people in general is Hanlon's razor

never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
Maybe she was trying to banter but was awkward, it could also be a million other things instead of an attack, even if you perceived it like one

Ofc that doesnt mean you ignore it, the interview is as much for them as it is for you
Would you want to work with dumb/awkward people

[thorny linden]

remember, we weren't there, you were. I think it's okay to trust your instincts and your assessment of the situation. But getting insight from others definitely is beneficial

[near ocean]

I would err on the side of doubt of my own judgement of the situation, especially since im also a junior in the workplace and just havent been around interviews enough to tell if someone's intentionally being aggressive

[vapid jay]

Honestly, I think that's good advice, and it applies to this situation. It is not a company in the medical industry, so she clearly had misconceptions about this area of study.