career-advice

[toxic dove]

Pi 0 1 2 3 4 and 400 but the 400 is the same as the 4 just a built in keyboard

[past tapir]

😂 😂 😂 I hope so but from what I've been told i don't want to be over-ambitious... I want to learn AI ML and DL too

[zinc path]

do any of you think someone would accept a 14 year old for a python project?

[toxic dove]

Do you own a discord server?

[past tapir]

I'm currently learning python.. my first programming language...

[toxic dove]

Do you want to help me build a website with flask

[zinc path]

sure, how complex?

[past tapir]

😅 Yeah i recently made one under a different name... why?

[toxic dove]

not that complex really

[toxic dove]

Do you want help with a discord bot i will make it with you

[past tapir]

😂 I'll get the difference... eventually...

[toxic dove]

The raspberry pi is great when people use it as it should be used

[past tapir]

That'll be among the projects once i get a good grasp of python programming... and also a telegram bot... but I'll be sure to hit you up...

[toxic dove]

Yeah I am developing a bot but im mad that discord removed the bot dev badge

[past tapir]

Oh yeah... recently i saw a vid where a youtuber (networkchuk) hosted a web from a raspberry pi on tor...

[signal shale]

My bro has it.....

[toxic dove]

i love that guy

[toxic dove]

nice

[past tapir]

Oh... You've to get it verified or something?

[shell pulsar]

whats the longest coding exam you took? Today i solved a 180 minute exam with 5 questions (for software dev intern position). Not sure how normal it is

[toxic dove]

yes

[toxic dove]

but its still a beta bot

[past tapir]

Yeah... I also wanted to try out hacking because of the guy but my laptop doesn't support hardware virtualization... that's a bummer

[past tapir]

How long did it take you to code it?

[toxic dove]

one month

[signal shale]

So I know html, css and java script are different but I just thought it would give me a leverage when learning proper languages am stuck in java script, cause its a hard nut to crack.... Do I still need it or I should do away with it.

[toxic dove]

Thats great you know a lot of the programming languages

[past tapir]

I don't even know if i'll get a certificate proving that i studied programming cause all the courses i have i torrent from either udemy or udacity

[toxic dove]

I want to learn R

R is used for statistics

[shell pulsar]

nah, i mean for a position if you applied to any

[signal shale]

@toxic dove should I stop and start proper programming or I should see it through at once..... Kinda confusing

[shell pulsar]

mine was a summer internship and the role was software developer. One of the questions was making a ML model using trees

[past tapir]

Oh does it involve web deleopment?

[shell pulsar]

not webdev, more like data science. It involved scraping websites, editing json data and ml model

[past tapir]

I thought that was like an ROS....

[toxic dove]

Never stop a project you need to belive in yourself when your done then start proper.

[past tapir]

I don't know exactly cause as you know am a few days old in programming

[toxic dove]

wait is my name Griffincodeee why?

[past tapir]

yeah

[signal shale]

Thanks....

[toxic dove]

np

[past tapir]

Are data scientists and AI programmers one and the same? or close at the very least

[toxic dove]

why is my name griffincodeee'

[past tapir]

You never give up at coding?!?

[toxic dove]

yes

[shell pulsar]

close. Data Scientists use Machine Learning technology which is a small topic in Artificial Intelligence

[past tapir]

So if i learnt ML and DL alongside AI I would be like a noob data scientist?

[toxic dove]

why

[shell pulsar]

DS and ML roles are similar but in order to work on machines, you need to know how to work with data so you become a data scientist first. AI is a very broad topic, its not used much in terms of position

[past tapir]

okay am out of ideas now... I'd thought it was inspired by some wizard coder in the harry potterverse

[toxic dove]

yeah but my name is griffin on discord oh its a nickname

[past tapir]

Oh now am beginning to understand a bit... but generally am fascinated by AI and machines that's why i decided to try and atleast learn

[signal shale]

I know Ai uses assembly language and that is hard asf

[ashen elk]

no it doesn't use assembly 🤣

[past tapir]

And the way this udacity course seems to say that you'll learn artificial intelligence in 3 months

[ashen elk]

python works fine for most cases in AI/DL

[signal shale]

Okay... 😂😂😂

Pardon me am new.... I just said what I saw in some site

[ashen elk]

only 0.00001% of people use assembly in C.S- mostly for fun

[past tapir]

Y'all experinced programmers right?

[past tapir]

with github accounts?

[upbeat pebble]

computer engineering, my first semester but i have been coding for 1 year

[past tapir]

Nice... I hope i'll finish a couple o months before giving up

[upbeat pebble]

you can do it, anyways sometimes taking breaks is all you need

[past tapir]

😂 😂 😂 Seriously though talking to some guys out there is pretty disgouragin tbh...

[true harness]

yes?

[past tapir]

huh?

[true harness]

well, your message was previously two identical lines of invalid code

[past tapir]

Oh sorry about that I'd meant to copy paste the laughing emoji only to end up pasting part of a code...

[unkempt sky]

anyone free for me to message them? I have some general questions about a few topics regarding data science and the types of way to do them in python

[ruby remnant]

what language should I learn after Python? I want to make windows apps without using tkinter

was thinking C++ which would mean uwp (microsoft store) apps

[lucid vapor]

If you want to make apps for Windows, C++ or C# are both good iirc

[ruby remnant]

okay, just wanted some reassurance

thanks, I'll take a look at c sharp

[orchid ivy]

you can try posting in the #data-science-and-ml channel to see if someone can help 🙂

[unkempt sky]

will try thanks

[vapid jay]

CAN ANYONE KNOW TRICK OF GETTING FREE VPS FOR LIFETIME IN COLAB

[summer roost]

What does that have to do with the topic of this channel?

[opaque pebble]

You can try to get a phantom VPS but it's not legal in all states 🤔

[night shuttle]

i am new here and would love to learn any program. what would you prefer ?

[woeful harness]

Hey guyz,

I am a python beginner! Learning it from many online platforms. And I am also new to discord, so I am having a lot of troubles, in getting usto this app!

Guyz help me out, which channel should I join?

[exotic bane]

does anyone here know about python certificates? I was willing to take the PCAP exam...but can't find the official site

[patent girder]

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources/guides/help-channels/

[patent girder]

Most of the things are explaimed in welcome channel (that is the first one in the channel list)

[woeful harness]

Thanks I got it!

[vapid jay]

!mute 843708585351053342 You've been told that we do not allow for recruitment in our server, please stop posting that ad

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @woeful harness until 2021-05-22 14:22 (59 minutes and 59 seconds).

[vapid jay]

!code

[inner wren]

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

[sinful spoke]

Hello
India?

[dark forge]

yep me

[opaque tusk]

print('Hello world!')

helllo

[dim jay]

Hey everyone! I would like to discuss about social media and job market. As you might have noticed, the social media are kind of boring. It seems that they are finally becoming monotonous, boring. There is nothing new anyone

So, my question is: Worth invest time and energy in trying to start in digital platforms? As I said, everything is kind of boring right now. Create content apparently is not working anymore

In fact, that's because Tik Tok is so famous. You have only 60s, to create a s**t content that is not funny Just to get some likes and receive some dopamine.

[ocean ledge]

i hear a lot of edge and no ideas

[peak pendant]

Hm that's interesting

[snow lake]

So I enrolled in Angela Yu's hundred days of code in python. The projects look cute, and I plan to just go through the course faster than a 100 days. But... Even if I complete it after like 70 days, I don't know how far off I'll be from getting an actual developer job.

I have her course and a bunch of others I priated, I have "elements of the programming interview" textbook that was recommended to me, and honestly no idea how to get a job. Assuming I get through all of it...... How did you guys get your jobs and how long did it take you? I feel like an ant compared to your guys

[silver wind]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-simpsons-gif-14031953

[restive vapor]

I started with a formal education in CIS forensics investigation. It was a little bit about a wide range of topics, focusing on tearing things apart.

I realized that I liked making things more. Then I found a foot in the door at a company, as a learning and development admin. I basically enrolled folks into a learning management system all day. It helped me learn the company.

My leader in that role tasked me with streamlining my teams work. So I threw some automation at it.

Now I'm in a role with the same company, 6 years total, as what is turning out to be a Web FS Dev. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I sort of made the need for my role, and meow I'm being paid to keep it.

From my experience, learning to be resourceful is invaluable. But knowing the material like the back of your hand helps speed things along

[velvet kite]

!warn 784639629483442207 Please refrain from posting irrelevant videos in the channels.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @vapid jay.

[terse bane]

hello, I am college student in sophomore year. I just created my linkedln profile and would like some feedback on my "about" page. Thank you.

[iron hare]

most of the information you have covered in about section is already covered in other sections of your profile. Use this section to put forward something that other sections can't

[swift pier]

Elif is not working for me

[forest stump]

is english your first language? This is worded quite strange to me but not sure if that's being insulting to you. Also you've capitalised "Spend" which is wrong too

[terse bane]

its my 2nd language

[forest stump]

Ah

Try "Hello!" instead of "Hello visitors !", don't have a space before ! if you do use. And don't capitalise Spend

[solid plover]

What?

[terse bane]

capitalized "S" in spend was a typo

[forest stump]

Hello!
I have a passion for learning and accomplishing goals, currently I am a full time college student in my sophomore year. (I don't know how to spell this word)
I am learning . NET Core and want to work as a .NET developer.
Programming languages I know: C#, Python, SQL.
Frameworks known: .Net 5.0 Core

Something like that, i don't really know for the contents, but I can help with English at least 😄

[terse bane]

Thank you. ☺️

[mellow mountain]

Hello guys, I'm a student from the UK, I'm in my final year at college. This term may be different for Americans.
I've finished all my exams, and I'm really wondering whether I should go university or not. I want to go into software engineering, I've applied for a software engineering degree. But I'm unsure if going to university will be the best idea, this is because I've checked loads of senior positions, and they all ask for one thing - "5 years of experience in work related for programming". I can't really achieve this in university, I don't think. I feel like I'll be wasting my 4 years in university. When I could've got a job and be able to rack up those years in experience.

For anyone in the UK, what is the most sensible choice? I reckon I'll get an AAC in my a levels.
A-Computer Science
A-Maths
C-Accounting
I can always apply for an degree apprenticeship. But I'm looking for a job and comparing them. It would be helpful if I could get some good link that will show me jobs for software engineering.
Thank you for your time - ping me if you respond

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[forest stump]

hey dude, for what it's worth i'm 31 and work in data analytics, which is slightly different to what it sounds like you're going for. it's a very tricky question, often the degree will help you land that first job, have you seen the types of junior dev roles you could apply for, would you be successful with no degree? I honestly think you'll be fine with no degree, although you may find there is a ceiling--
I would choose to go to uni for simply the life experience and fun time, moreso career- aslong as you can afford it. I don't think it's simply a financial question.
Getting the degree will keep your options open whilst you are young and are making these decisions, not getting the degree will close doors to you at a young age. Both will allow you be successful, but it is probably best to go with the choice which allows the most flexability.

[mellow mountain]

🤔 ok thank you for the response.

I'll probably just go to uni, and then apply for an internship and build up my GitHub.

Thank you for the response

I've seen the types of junior Dev roles, but the good companies all ask for degrees, so it's best to get one

[forest stump]

yeah you'd be fine without (I don't have one) but it's definitely not made life easier

i'd get one, but see what others weigh in with 🙂 a good tip i do myself is go on the job sites, pretend you don't have a degree and look what you could apply for, now do the same assuming you have your desired degree

[mellow mountain]

Hmmm I'll do this and compare them both, and see what is best for me

Thanks for your time

[viscid flame]

Study and work with passions.

In university, firsts 3 years gives you a structured mind. It's the most important, and recrutors see that. It's why they ask 3 or 5 years of expérience. After came the knowledge, who could be keep in some ways.

I dont know what it's better to do for you, I live in a country where éducation is +- free, but university is always a good choose if you have abilities.

[unique ledge]

I wanna get a career

[gray anvil]

Mate, do university. Whatever you hear about "degrees aren't worth anything " is very USA centric. With AAC you'll still easily manage a university that isn't oxbridge, UCL or imperial, and you probably still have a shot at the latter 2. Don't try to go it without a degree, you'll hit the ceiling before you're 30

It's a waste of those grades to skip on uni

[vapid jay]

can someone suggest some good personal projects for resume
NON web dev related please
more towards machine learning and ai
and cyber security

[digital fjord]

you could pick a board game and make an AI to play it

or create an openAI gym actor, or an openspiel actor/game

[bronze iris]

Hey, I am not able to understand the concept of OOP, is there any credible from where i can learn?

[gray anvil]

OOP? Real python. Don't ask in this channel tho. It does say career discussion on the tin

[bronze iris]

Sorry , my bad

[bronze iris]

Real python? wdym?

[vapid jay]

thats a good idea

would games like doodle jump work? or should i go with chess

[digital fjord]

chess has been done to hell and back, but is always fun. doodle jump would work, though it may end up a bit too simple

[vapid jay]

hmm

so i should do something a bit complex and unique?
i see i will keep that in mind

[mellow mountain]

Alright thank you

[raw ravine]

Could you invite me to that group? I've been working as a full time job for 2 years with a cs degree from UVA. I'm trying to get into freelancing.

[shadow moss]

Few Americans say "Degrees are not worth it". More often it's "Watch your debt load because it matters" I would add "Going beyond bachelor in computers unless from prestigious school (MIT/Ivy/Top Tier Engineering schools) is likely not to pay off"

But as always, you may have life factors that make generic advice not applicable. If you have well off parents who are willing to pay for all/most of school or a scholarship, getting masters isn't worst idea.

[hoary tangle]

Hello I'm a sophomore and am very interested in ML/AI, at the same time I feel disgusted by peers who just learn the frameworks without knowing the math. The problem is my peers are already implementing the models whereas I'm stuck understanding the math(It takes a lot of time). My progress seems to be too slow. This has been bugging me a lot lately. The approach I'm taking rn is learning regression models first, then classification models, and then I'll plan as I go. While I'm at a model, I also like to go deep into math, but this is has been slowing me down a lot. By graduation, if I keep this up, I'm not sure if I'll even be able to understand NNs/NLP etc since they're pretty far off in my roadmap. What do you guys suggest I should do? Thanks

[dense mesa]

Why is the idea of people using the framework without understanding it "disgusting" ?

You don't need a deep understanding to use it, surface level is enough

[jolly furnace]

I mean i kinda get what they mean by using sth without fully understanding it. Like with keras you basically dont need to know anything. like you can literally just create a couple layers and create something that has a pretty decent accuracy.

i personally thinking actually understanding the math is more important than chugging out a couple models without knowing what is actually going on.

[fiery latch]

I think they are taking the more productive route. I don't understand all of the libraries i use, but I'm productive. Ive heard it called blackboxing.
If i tried to understand everything I'd never get anything done.
You can deep dive into things once you have things working. You might also find the Math easier to understand once you've got some models working.

I don't know, do what's best for you, but don't underestimate the importance of actually getting stuff done.

[ocean ledge]

its up to you-- my background is in math, so it definitely makes it much easier to pick up new techniques and think hard about the statistical consequences of my modelling choices. it is a useful tool, so i wouldn't stop trying to understand it well

also remember that although lots of people are in the ML space, they're not all equal-- some are at the level of just copy-pasting boilerplate because their projects aren't very complicated (because not every company really has a need for actual cool projects), while some are on the forefront of the research edge

just focus on your niche, and keep doing what you're doing and it will pay off

[buoyant seal]

The most basic one... to start with hand wrtitinhg symbol recognition

If you did not do others and you only start, it can be a good place to begin

As for more advanced tasks... check... forgot the name of website

[ashen elk]

make a model to identify vulnerabilities in websites ᕕ༼ ຈل͜ຈ༽ ᕗ

[buoyant seal]

https://www.kaggle.com/

There a lot of tasks, data to use and tutorials

Free to join, even with money rewards
Choose what you like

[vapid jay]

You're better off just doing an engineering degree. Make sure you scout at a top uni (with your grades you can easily get into the top 20) and get internships in your years between. Then go for a software grad scheme when you graduate.

Ideally specialise your modules into a niche category of software dev earlier on if you can.

[vapid jay]

You only really need to learn linear algebra and stats in any serious depth

[ocean ledge]

you can also, you know, enjoy your life, study what you like, and then become a software engineer later on

minimaxing your life early on is pretty sad

[orchid ivy]

this channel is specifically for career discussion. if you need help with code, please claim a help channel.

[deft solar]

Hi, what is the meaning of co-op and how would it help to take time off and do co-op?

I am an MBA with specialization in HR, but I feel I do not know anything in hard skills so I am learning python and related stuff, I feel lost and stupid for not doing what all my peers are doing, am I doing fine?

[vapid jay]

hmm thats a good idea

[vapid jay]

damn

[clever wolf]

Hi guys I am studying undergrad 2nd year from India. I want to learn python to work on web-apps and Saas. What is the road map should I follow. I am currently following Corey Schafer on youtube. I've basitc knowledge in HTML, CSS, JS. I've very less time because Indian educational system is bit outdated my teachers give me lot of assignments all the time. Anybody with experience & knowledge kindly help me.

[gray anvil]

Become a tech recruiter? I've met HR people in bootcamps picking up enough tech skills to interpret tech cvs

[topaz kayak]

I mean, if you have a job as an HR manager in a firm why would you want to switch at all

[onyx plover]

Is it better to lot of small projects or One big project

[gray anvil]

Hey, he wants to skill up, why not innit

[carmine vortex]

i have a problem in making a discord bot using python

[burnt cove]

use help channels 🙂

[carmine vortex]

k thnks

[burnt cove]

most welcome

[hoary tangle]

Are you fine with using something that is going to be your career, without really understanding it?

[hoary tangle]

yes, I think I'll shift my focus more on frameworks instead of the math behind them. Thanks

[hoary tangle]

Thank you for the motivation. Things seem a bit clear now.

[hoary tangle]

I wish I could do that, I know that's the best approach. But I must get a job after college, it's really important to my family. And me as well, I wanna be independent.

[fiery latch]

You can do both, just don't let your need to understand everything stop you from getting things done.

[small matrix]

il y a des fr ?

[dense jacinth]

Noice

[opaque silo]

Graduating and I have an offer from a Faang company but not a technical role

Would you guys try and transfer internally or look for technical roles in other companies?

[shadow moss]

Depends on what you want. As far as I know, FAANG doesn't let you transfer from non tech -> technical any easier then getting hired as technical person however, YMMV.

[opaque silo]

Where do you get this information from?

[shadow moss]

friends

it's not like Jr Dev position isn't dying from applicants already, why should they consider non technical person who hasn't be coding for a year or two over someone else in their pipeline?

again, it depends on non technical position, the division you are put in and how close you get with manager/co-workers, has it ever been done? Of course it has, would I call it reliable pipeline? No

If you are data engineer/scientist (Though I'm pretty sure those are classed as technical), it's more doable then say Project Manager/Project Owner

[opaque silo]

Nah the most technical part would be excel lool

But im thinking the internal pipeline would defo allow me to get an interview, at which point i rely on coding skills i built outside the role

whereas now i would not even get the interview

[pliant zodiac]

I want to get some experience in a developer(programmer in a professional setting is what I mean by developer) position.Is there a non-profit position I could take?

[shadow moss]

generally internal transfers or internal referrals get benefit of your resume actually reviewed by human for one minute instead of computer along with some good references. But if you are not a fit with your job experience, then you are not a fit

[opaque silo]

I am graduating comp sci so maybe helps, but no professional development

[shadow moss]

Once you get a job, Job Experience starts to outweigh outside role stuff

[opaque silo]

so do you think its worth trying, or would you build skills in professional settings at a non-faang company

[shadow moss]

That's very personal question. You might have to go FAANG -> Not-FAANG (leveraging FAANG) -> FAANG Technical

[opaque silo]

thats a good idea, i suppose it would be good to get faang on the cv then

and then transition to a tech role using that

either way it will move the ball forward

[shadow moss]

but it can also be difficult to get back to technical role, generally non technical roles are harder to fill so expect alot of interest in non technical from FAANG, so you might set yourself forever on non technical track

[opaque silo]

damn

this is tough

[iron hare]

It depends on what non-tech role is this too, no?

[opaque silo]

client facing role, brand specialist i think

involves some analytical work but nothing too worth it

[iron hare]

I wouldn’t do this myself and this is not an advice but I have seen people just “trying” some opportunities just because of the faang like brand

If it works then go ahead otherwise keep looking for different job and don’t show this job on the resume

People do all sort of things I have no idea how do they have courage to do it

[peak halo]

One of my classmates is connected with the company that makes a library I'm pretty familiar with, and their founder contacted me about a position to help develop that library. He said to email him or set up an interview, but I kind of want to email to understand what exactly they're looking for before I commit to an interview. Though I don't want to project that I'm not sure if I can do whatever it is that they want.

[shadow moss]

Take the interview, you have nothing else going on. At worst, you wasted half a day and some gas, at best, it's really great opportunity

[peak halo]

he's in germany, so I'm pretty sure this is a remote thing.

[merry helm]

These are the sorts of questions that it seems appropriate for you to ask during an interview.

[shadow moss]

even better, you have wasted some bandwidth/CPU on Remote Meeting

[boreal burrow]

im looking for senpai that i can ask about python problems. Highly appreciate someone from Poland

[vapid jay]

Im actually doin BBA do you think that learning python will increase the chances of me getting a job

yea

[deft solar]

That's correct, Dyllyn. HR is very admin monotonous paperwork sorta work. At least what I was getting. I'm a bit anti-work and money. HR, I realised did not operate to save the employees but rather tell them they are leaving and the company is sad. Maybe the HR is laid off first being the cost center, lol

[vapid jay]

#discord-bots

[solemn raven]

Heyyy is there a software engineer in here?? I would like to ask some questions based on that career

[pastel copper]

Many 🙂 go for it.

[buoyant seal]

Sure

[vapid jay]

I didn't finish high school, I have no interest in college. I never had any interest in working as a employee, I like having my own schedule and complete freedom in my life.

I was thinking in working later on as a software developer for some time and then as a pentester, I don't care about the money, I just want to learn more and I think working in a tech company for some time would help me discover and learn interesting a new things.

[pliant zodiac]

go free lance

[summer roost]

pen testing and security generally require both a very broad knowledge base, and very deep expertise in particular niches. I won't necessarily go so far as to say that someone can't get good at them without a college education, but you will need to self teach a lot to get any good at them. If you hate lectures but like reading and tinkering, maybe you'd be able to pull it off, but you will definitely need to do a lot of reading for those fields.

[storm tangle]

advice: is it possible to get an entry level job as a SWE coming from an background in Web Design? I just finished a role with a pretty big Fintech company and wondering if now is a good time to transition careers?

[summer roost]

have you done any coding so far at all?

[buoyant seal]

If you hate lectures but like reading and tinkering
Giggles, exactly I am.
I skipped 98% of lectures during my time in university. It did not stop me from getting good grades for master's degree

[summer roost]

oh, there's definitely people who love learning and just dislike structure - security might be a good job for those people. If it's the learning part that someone doesn't like, though, then it won't be good for them.

[orchid ivy]

if you have projects that prove you're capable of programming software and can pass the coding test, then yes it's possible. it doesn't matter what your background is, unless they specify in the job requirements.

[vapid jay]

nowadays I don't watch things, I enjoy reading a lot, learning excites me, every time I learn something new I try to understand it from so many different perspectives, imagine I turn the concept into clay and start changing it's form for fun. I honestly don't enjoy watching videos, it bores me, the instructor has to be very passionate for me to not lose interest in listening to him/her.

[gray anvil]

I did this, I applied, my projects were good, I got in after a year of self study and a boot camp, didn't matter that the guy hired before me had 8 years industry xp, we both got given and passed the same coding test

[iron hare]

just a note - information security domain is not all black-green terminals and just doing "hacking" all day. There are differences in what companies do and expect and having gone through it few years back, I can tell you that 90% of the jobs are boring as hell. You should really pick your job well

Vulnerability Assessment is different than penetration testing. VA consists of running different tools, collecting reports, then build your own reports (for varied levels - executive, mid-manager, developers) using that information and finally ship it

it's a kind of domain where efforts are charged irrespective of the result. So you better justify the hours you'd be spending. And there's almost only 1 way to do that - a lot of documentation of thousands of lines

this one too - https://www.csoonline.com/article/3537370/threat-modeling-explained-a-process-for-anticipating-cyber-attacks.html

[iron hare]

nomad life has it's own perks but since this is posted in career-discussion, I hope you are aware that this also limits you. This changes depending on what passport you hold but for many, if they wish to go to a different country for job then minimal formal education is required to obtain visa. I know of someone who couldn't move to USA from Germany even after 10 years of experience because the person had degree in Economics but working in software

it's great as long as you are aware, however, do consider these if you are not. IMHO still going through some pain in your prime days of learning helps much later in life

[vapid jay]

is this good with 12GB Ram?
and 256GB SSD?

[iron hare]

@severe widget

[vapid jay]

@iron hare what?

[desert moat]

It's not what this channel is for.

[buoyant seal]

than more I read job vacancies
then better I read when they were made by non technical person

[cobalt acorn]

Any independent consultants or freelancers in here? Have a few question on best way to charge my rates. I'm signing on a new client and it's a contractor role for 1 year. They've opted for an hourly rate for the project, split into 3 deliverables. I generally work fixed project costs when I freelance/consult, however this a different area (long term contract). Project scope appears to be fairly well defined and based off meeting, this seems straightforward.

What I'm trying to determine is if I should push a fixed cost for phases, to reduce my stress and tracking of hours. Or....to help both of us better manage our expectations, do a soft cap of hours per week? Then get approval for additional hours? (i.e. -- 20hrs / week soft cap, if we go over, client approves).

[buoyant seal]

perhaps managing your work with....

making 'issue' for every task you solve in github/jira/gitlab
and then setting how much hours you spent to solve each one

you will be able to have always track for yourself (and for getting paid) how much you spent working hours then

[cobalt acorn]

That's a good idea

[buoyant seal]

it can be further augmented, with using #34 triggers in commits to attach relevant code to issues you are working on

[cobalt acorn]

I think i'm leaning a bit more towards a soft-cap for hours. Give them a bucket and I choose on how i allocate my hours and architect their systems

[buoyant seal]

and well, issues can be combined into milestones, setting goals to solve for next version release
perfectly organized work

[cobalt acorn]

Yeah they dont use Jira and anything for issue tracking, fairly small startup. I think they depend on Trello boards

[buoyant seal]

shrugs. nothing prevents you from organizing your work in the right way

[cobalt acorn]

Very true

Thanks for some ideas here, i'll think about using some of those in addition to soft cap hours

[buoyant seal]

if it was not for me, our startup would not have testing / documentation / pipline runners / issues tracking / containerization / config-management
basically... it would not be above very low junior quality%

[little blade]

Hi

I can not import pygame after downloading in my windows

Please help me

It shows error no module named pygame

I also did pip install pygame in command promt

[peak halo]

@pastel shale This server isn't the place for promoting JS content.

[rancid light]

Hi! Which resources (pdf, websites, articles ) would you recommend me if I want to get into data engineering ?

[buoyant seal]

Do you mean data satanism?

https://www.kaggle.com

It contains a lot of tutorials to get any person started. Plus a lot of real projects with money rewards

[rancid light]

Thanks @buoyant seal

[inner wren]

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[proud rapids]

Hi guy, i have a question about software development, is there any moment that softwares are full and developer dont have anything to develop anymore ?

[zenith inlet]

what do you mean by full?

[proud rapids]

Like we all have necessary software to do everything

[zenith inlet]

well, that's unlikely in web development

[proud rapids]

From calculator, note, ..

[zenith inlet]

also unlikely in mobile. The issue is that hardware keeps changing, so there is often always a need to keep doing minor updates at the very minimum, sometimes big rewrites, to work on the latest hardware.

[lucid vapor]

There will never not be anything more to develop. There will always be new ideas, concepts, and all sorts of new things.

[zenith inlet]

Terminal software from a long time ago might still sort of work, but most people generally don't use that sort of software. Developers might use descendants of the same editors used in the 70s and 80s or earlier (vim, emacs, etc), but the issue is that social and economic factors drive a need for constant updates or rewrites of software.

Also, @proud rapids consider that software projects that get big often become unmaintainable. Sometimes it's easier to write something new from the ground up because user needs changed any the old code isn't relevant anymore.

[proud rapids]

Like amazon for example, i think their web app is already really good, so what are they developing ?

[zenith inlet]

A lot of things.

[lucid vapor]

Amazon probably has a lot of internal projects, bug fixes, their various services, updates, etc.

[zenith inlet]

Like I mentioned, hardware keeps changing. They will want to reduce costs by making their infrastructure more efficient.

Also, yes, trends in UI design can mean that the front end needs to change even if the back-end has been the same since the 70s. Banks are a good example of this where some of them are still running the same COBOL in the back-end that they have been for decades.

But if there are better tools for writing the code that connects the cobol to the remote client, or for building the UI, they might rewrite that code.

[proud rapids]

Got it!

[zenith inlet]

So, to summarize: There are places where software changes very very slowly. But in a lot of cases, people will still have room for developing software somewhat quickly.

[proud rapids]

Cool, i'm new to computer science

[zenith inlet]

For example, SDL is a graphics and input library for games and other applications. It tends to release and change very very slowly.

[zenith inlet]

If there's suddenly no demand for any software development, then something very drastic and possibly bad has happened to global civilization

[proud rapids]

Wow

So software developer is future proof right ?

[zenith inlet]

Not exactly.

You'll have to keep learning because technologies will become obsolete over time.

[proud rapids]

Yeah ok

[zenith inlet]

Software development might not become obsolete, but the specific tools you've learned might.

[proud rapids]

Got it like programming language ?

[zenith inlet]

Yes. Programming languages tend to become more or less popular over time.

C used to be very popular, but now it's relegated to specific roles where it is useful. Rust is taking over some of those.

[proud rapids]

Ok got it

Thank you guys

[buoyant seal]

only if we will get converted to robots, and we will have lost abilities to be creative/imaginative and e.t.c.
or well... 99.99% of Earth population will be dead due to some reason, and remaining survivors will not have industrial means to maintain high technologies any longer

[summer roost]

It seems reasonable to believe that there will continue to be software in the future, and for as long as there is software it seems reasonable to believe that there will continue to be software development jobs.

[grizzled folio]

Hi guys I have a question . I am doing my post graduate degree in information technology (specialised in data science ) how ever I have a business undergrad degree . Will this effect my chance of getting a job in the technical field in the future ?

[zenith inlet]

It probably depends on the company you're applying to.

[summer roost]

it probably won't make much of a difference. Masters degrees are a common way for people to switch industries - a way of getting some 3rd party to validate that yes, this is also a thing you're able to do

[pastel shale]

It has python stuff as well. Chcck it out

[lilac jasper]

can i have a career in ethical hacking and cyber security

[grizzled folio]

Ok thanks

[zenith inlet]

to be clear: if you have a business undergraduate degree, there are firms that will want to hire you because you are useful for doing data analysis about their business.

[sonic mica]

is there a good career that combines both medicine and computer science? I am passionate about programming but I am also passionate about medicine

[summer roost]

Biomedical engineering?

[brazen tartan]

Try data science in healthcare!

[sonic mica]

I also want it to be well-paying

[brazen tartan]

All the more reason

[sonic mica]

wait, won't it get automated in the future?

[brazen tartan]

If by future you mean the time we're both long gone yes lol healthcare overall is a bit behind the curve. Be a part of the acceleration now!

[sonic mica]

and does it need university education or can someone self-taught get into the industry (like web development for example)

[summer roost]

the career that's directly at the intersection of software, hardware, and medicine is biomedical engineering. I've got a friend who's a biomed engineer whose company makes a lot of the equipment used in manufacturing the covid vaccines, for instance.

But you absolutely need a university education to pursue that job.

[brazen tartan]

CS BS degree should be enough with some data science/machine learning self-study for healthcare-oriented data science

[summer roost]

in general, at least in the US, it is much more difficult to get your first job without a bachelor's degree than with one (though BS vs BA doesn't make much of a difference, from what I've seen).

Once you've started your career as a software developer, your degree doesn't matter too much for your second or third job - but it makes a huge difference in how easily you can find your first job.

[sonic mica]

I am not entirely sure if I'll go to a CS uni or not, so in case I don't I guess I'll just have to work in a field where it's easier for a self-taught programmer to start working, like front end development for example

[summer roost]

I'd highly recommend getting the degree.

As long as you go into it with a plan for how to make the most of the degree, it's extremely worthwhile. Internships and co-ops pay off hugely, for instance. As do concentrations in certain fields.

[sonic mica]

It's not exactly my choice, here in Egypt your grades in your final high school year determine what universities you can go for, the higher the demand the higher the grades they require, and the thing about the egyptian education curriculum is that it favors specific types of students over others, students that can memorize better usually do significantly well, and I am not good at memorizing stuff, so I am not entirely sure if my grades will be good enough for the CS uni

[summer roost]

I'm not sure how relevant my advice is for other countries, then, so I'll just leave it at what I've said. From what I know, there are countries where it's possible to break into software development without a degree, and there are ones where it isn't. Even for the ones where it is possible, it's harder to get your first job, it may limit your future employment options, and it may limit your earnings.

Without knowing anything about the labor market in Egypt, the best thing I can recommend would be looking up some more local resources and seeing if you can get more localized answers than that.

[sonic mica]

ye, I am thinking about pursuing a CS degree later in life if I can't do it now, it's not the end of the world/my career as a programmer if I fail to enter the CS uni

[gray anvil]

<@&831776746206265384> ^

[true turtle]

!tempban 744904250156384286 14d Looks like you are only here to drop a referral. Please re-read our rules if you ever gain interest in python and consider coming back.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @tropic ether until 2021-06-09 11:45 (13 days and 23 hours).

[true turtle]

*referral link

[gray anvil]

Cheers

[orchid ivy]

it may increase your chances. even if your job is technical that doesn't mean you will never use any soft skills especially if you want to move up the ladder. also, i'm sure you have transferrable skills from your business background.

[orchid ivy]

you can consider bioinformatics. as for uni, you can pick a major in one of the life sciences and minor in computer science.

[silent elk]

Do you reckon it’s possible to negotiate a higher salary in exchange for a lower or zero relocation bonus?

[buoyant seal]

sounds unlikely

[silent elk]

Hmm

[buoyant seal]

what is the size of relocation bonus just in case though?

[silent elk]

10% of the offer

[buoyant seal]

then surely it is not mattering

[silent elk]

I don’t like it because of the fact it requires me to pay it back if I quit within 2 years

[buoyant seal]

10% of the salary for one month?

[silent elk]

10% of the yearly salary

[buoyant seal]

oh, nice thing then

I think it comes from... 13th month, which economy guys have to reward people for yearly work
you are just receiving it in advance

[frail drum]

i want to be a cricketer and a part time youtuber

[silent elk]

maybe

But there is an obligation to return it if I quit within 2 years

(And I don’t intend to stay that long....)

[buoyant seal]

https://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/salary/variable-wage-components#:~:text=The AWS is also called,an employee's total annual wage.&text=Payment depends on what is,contributing to the company's performance.
You are just receiving it in advance. It is only fair to return

well, I would suppose that you should not return it if you work at least one year though
weird, that 2 years comes number

[silent elk]

In essence it is not worth that much to me

[lusty knoll]

What are the minimum requirements for getting a job inGOOGLE?

[iron hare]

Pass their interviews?

[real geyser]

Good problem solving skills,System design skills, clean code and not asking minimum requirements skill

[mortal wedge]

I'm assuming you mean a programming job. Google doesn't even require a degree, but you really should have one before applying.

Otherwise, the same thing for any programming job. 1) Get an interview 2) Nail the interview 3) Don't get fired.

In addition to asking you role-specific questions, Google will also test your data structures and algorithms knowledge. So be prepared to answer those types of questions even early on in the screening/interview process.

[atomic skiff]

I need help

These are my marks, can I pursue a career related to maths or Cs related to these marks

[hidden grove]

what is the average salary for a software engineer in us?

[atomic skiff]

us as in we?

I meant get into ivy leagues in USA

[hidden grove]

usa

[ashen elk]

doesn't require degree for jobs but needs to have a degree for internship
Typical

[atomic skiff]

Google it

[hidden grove]

done

[iron hare]

https://www.levels.fyi/locations/

[ocean ledge]

not even close

[hazy parrot]

Hi guys, what do you think of taking a Master Degree in Computer Engineering? I have completed a bachelor degree in computer engineering and now I am working as a digital engineering, so I am much more in the It field. It is worth to take a Master Degree in Embedded Systems?

[jolly tide]

Degree or apprenticeship ?

[vapid jay]

Heya guys there is a interview question I tried answering before but failed to get applied to my job
How well do you handle criticism

[near ocean]

Not well at all, you wanna step outside big man?
Jokes aside, the best way to deal with those is to mention a situation where you received criticism from a teacher, colleague, boss and just explain how you felt and what you did to improve, etc

[vapid jay]

@near ocean can I please DM you about my response and tell me what happened wrong

What went wrong here? I did the same but bad luck

[near ocean]

ok in my unqualified opinion, you have enormous sentences that dont read well, you need to break them down to simpler, shorter sentences
also, the example you gave is too minor for something like an interview question, haven't you ever received deeper more detailed criticism?

it doesnt have to be programming related, you could have received criticism for any number of things, the point here is to show people that you dont just cave in and do what other people tell you but also that you have an opinion and are able to listen to others instead of being selfish

[vapid jay]

Hi Youall, Do you have any advice for data engineer to pick up python quickly , any courses you recommend

[vapid jay]

Oh wow, thank you

[summer roost]

The English in this answer isn't very good, which may have just resulted in them passing over you for poor communication skills, honestly.

[vapid jay]

You're right, been struggling for 2 years

[summer roost]

Developers need to communicate in writing a lot

[vapid jay]

Thing is it's hard to phrase the words

[peak halo]

I've been advised to spend more space on my resume talking about a food service/retail job I had for five years, in an effort to highlight (or deceive one into thinking I have) interpersonal skills. Currently, I only mention it at all just so that it's known that I worked during school. I don't really want to follow this advice because I think it will just make me look inexperienced. Thoughts?

[vapid jay]

Btw, any tips on how to overcome this issue and get good, I keep struggling

[summer roost]

Not really... You may want to try enrolling in some English Composition courses, or something like that - or at least having someone else proofread your writing and help you edit it.

Is English your first language?

[near ocean]

The best way is to immerse yourself in the culture, if youre not in an english speaking nation thats gonna be hard
Next best thing you can do then is just read a whole bunch, especially technical documents

[vapid jay]

Nope

Oh

[ashen elk]

The best way is to immerse yourself in the culture, if youre not in an english speaking nation thats gonna be hard
you just insulted an entire race of people
... but yes

if you don't read much, then english is gonna be pretty hard

oh, and reading =/= reddit, whatsapp, social media etc.

[wispy cape]

I have to strongly disagree here, I am by no means an expert in English, but I consider myself fluent and this comes mainly from social media, YouTube videos and talking with random people about random topics on discord and in video games.
You don't need to read classical English literature to be comfortable with the language.

Note that I don't disagree with "The best way is to immerse yourself in the culture", I just don't believe you should rule out online chatting just because it's not "serious"

[near ocean]

thats also part of culture... i learned most of my vocabulary from playing online fantasy games (and interacting with english speaking people)

[vapid jay]

Btw guys how do I start if someone asks me the question how well do you handle criticism, which sentence do I start with?

[summer roost]

Can you elaborate on this concern? What was insulting?

[pseudo bone]

You could answer by saying that you appreciate criticism, as to overcome your weaknesses and learn from your mistakes

[vapid jay]

Oh ty

[lament cave]

Just my two cents:

I haven’t read it meticulously but break the passage into paragraphs and shorter sentences. I barely see periods in it. Make it easier for the recruiter to read your answer.

[vapid jay]

Oh thank you, but how do I start the to answer the question, the introduction @lament cave

[lament cave]

It’s better to just include your work experience in whichever job sectors you’re in, even if it’s totally unrelated to the job you’re applying for (highlight only skills and accomplishments that fit for the role). It shows that you’re prepared for work and have general business awareness.

Hmmm, you can write it in this order:

Situation > Task > Action > Results.

[vapid jay]

Oh thank you, so I bring the situation immediately after the question?

[lament cave]

Yes, it works that way too. Anyway, I’ve read a bit of your answer, you can write just a simple sentence like as an intro: “I try to handle criticism by listening carefully.” And proceed to what I wrote just now.

[vapid jay]

Oh thank you

[ashen elk]

it's a meme; don't worry

[ashen elk]

I mean, if you see the people talking in acronyms and social media slang, you would be slightly handicapped on more formal terminology which might be much easier if reading books was a habit (which is great for other reasons too)

relying on YT/the internet isn't bad on it's own, just that perhaps it's not the best way to get a better feel for the language in other ways except casual convo

[lone frost]

i learned python with the help of you guys and yotube but i think im taking ap computer scince next year and thats in java. i would say ive become intermidiate in python. but should i go ahead and learn java myself?

[lone frost]

or should i learn somthing like html

[lucid vapor]

That would depend on what you want to do in your future career.

[lone frost]

realy dont know what i want to do. just somthing in tech becasue thats cool lol

i guess i should just try everything out right?

[lucid vapor]

Yeah, you should try different things and see what interests you the most. Then you could go from there.

[fiery kindle]

To the self-taught devs, at what point did you feel ready to try and get a job? I guess I am trying to gauge when I should start taking the leap.

[ocean ledge]

as soon as possible

you'll never be ready, so just do it

[glad parrot]

Have you ever looked into grammarly? https://www.grammarly.com/

This is a tool to help you catch run-on sentences, incorrect grammar, and things like misspelled words

I'm not able to share a link here but if you're interested in more cultural immersion (or realtime grammar help), try joining a server on discord called The Language Exchange Network

They link to tons of language learning servers and you can find the english exchange ones under "germanic languages" 🙂

[zenith inlet]

grammarly has some serious issues from what I've heard

[glad parrot]

Ahhh, okay. I never tried it

[vapid jay]

O my thank you so much, god bless you!

[glad parrot]

Np! Truthfully your content is good, the main issue is the grammar. Google "run on sentences" and try to fix those

[vapid jay]

Ty you're right, just my application kept getting denied (3 times) never knew why and never asked tbh

Some questions are really hard to answer, for example why should we hire you?

And tbh no idea what to or how to answer

Oh ty hmm

[tough solstice]

I want to eventually try and get into software development but I feel I'm in a bit of a bad position to do so.

I'm still new to python and all things with code, have no prior related experience and didn't complete uni. Anyone in a similar position have any advice? Or anyone really, I'm feeling a little demotivated

[glad parrot]

re content, I think the lesson you learned will be more impactful if you also talk about how it is beneficial to others. For ex, the font was too small and people weren't able to read your presentation, therefore now you like to get feedback from others before you present because it is important to you that others understand what you are sharing. You could also say now you are more aware people with poor eyesight and always make an effort to accommodate them. Things like that. GL!!

[vapid jay]

Oooo ty for the info

[glad parrot]

This video has a lot of good points @tough solstice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzYhPVerRKA

[high pagoda]

hello

where can i get help for a python programm ? pleas

the programm is for a calculator

[lament cave]

Hello. You’re asking at the wrong channel.

[vapid jay]

HI it is possible to have a program that sends messages on discord all my minutes, because some bot allow to earn money depending on the number of messages you send

[lament cave]

Guys, check out #❓｜how-to-get-help if you’ve related questions on coding

[hushed cradle]

Hello, Python community.

I am learning Python any good advice for Python practice and how should I carry myself into the world of Python.

[high pagoda]

can we make a result in %?

[past solar]

start with simple projects and keep working on them

[hushed cradle]

As of now I am learning data visualization. Any advice related to that?

[high pagoda]

are github hosting python codes ? can we post python code on github ?

[vapid jay]

yup

[lyric phoenix]

This would be self-botting and breaks discord TOS so we won't help you on that

[wintry vale]

Hey I'm looking for someone to help with a quick consulting gig

[dawn sage]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[wintry vale]

Oh someone said to post here in geneeral

[dawn sage]

@wintry vale suggestign to remove that , as it's not whats intended to be here
and against the rules. Whether a random uninformed user said to do so or not, it is not allowed . and i have shown you the rule

[wintry vale]

You can verify that, but sure #python-discussion message

[safe loom]

Hello there. i have a question. Who here ended up being engaged as a data scientist only to find out you were solving another issue instead? Like doing data engineer's work or data analyst's? Or even as a fullstack dev?

[wide sun]

Data science is a really broad term, and it's not really defined what a data scientist should be doing, so at some places it ends up being the work of a data engineer and at some other place it's a just another word for a data analyst

[iron hare]

what is expected from a Data Scientist though?

as far as I know, DS only looks at some sample data and prepares an algo to find some insights, DS may use Python or R or some readymade jazz just to prove a point. I was told that then this algo is passed to Data Science Engineers who'd re-implement the whole thing properly may be using Spark or some fancy c++ library to actually work on TB/PB worth of data

so there could be 1 or max 2 data scientists per major department or even company but data engineers could be lot many

[gray anvil]

Dashboarding to start with

Usually you'll have plenty of useful data that's currently not marshalled properly into actionable insights

[high pagoda]

hello

did anyone know listen to morse code pleas ?

[vapid jay]

Hi Youall, Do you have any advice for data engineer to pick up python quickly , any courses you recommend

[last zenith]

I've had success with courses on udemy.com (not related to python though). Of course, the best advice is to practice anywhere you can... If you have a script or workflow built in another tool (e.g. Alteryx, KNIME, etc) then converting it to Python helps a lot.. Just go step by step

[safe loom]

DS are in charge of predictions. DEs reorganize the data and prepare pipelines while DAs illustrate the data they have at disposition, through dashboards.

[main urchin]

What interships whold you reccomend for if you know python if you know things up to Opening a file in Python, Special Method Names,
Class Containment and Default Parameters,
Inheritance, and other stuff like that, plus HTML, CSS, and Javascript up to things like Using Getters and Setters, Inheritance, Using Events, Handling jQuery events, and things like that, and a good grip on computer science

[zenith inlet]

If I had a first round interview the previous day and want to send thank you notes, would it be ok to tell them I'd also like to polish up my github a bit before sending them example projects in a bit?

[near ocean]

Why dont you pick internships based on what theyre about instead of what you can do?

[rose solstice]

I have a very greedy and not ideal question to ask, If I want to earn money using python at the age of 16-18, what should i learn in python, what should i specialize in that wil allow me to get freelancer jobs and allow me to make some money ? can someone guide me

[exotic lance]

just look around in your area for open jobs

[rose solstice]

I live in a third world country and rn this enviroment of software houses is not developed

[exotic lance]

they should usually have a boread direction, but generally speaking machine learning and data science is always a good choice

[rose solstice]

I want a more free lancing home job, which I can do when I want, not full time, i dont wanna make like $1000 or something per month, $100 per month is also good for me

[exotic lance]

that said, i wouldnt take this for granted, do what interests you and that'll probably lead you to a job you'd most likely enjoy

all things said, any job in it will probably earn you good money, there is an extremely high demand for good personnel 😄

[rose solstice]

I wanted to do machine learning because the way they work fasinate me and encorage me to do more, but when i tried doing it but people said you have to know data science which is currently too far from the education i have from school and college

[rose solstice]

true true attitude and personality indeed play a huge role

@fleet nova just a tip, do python cuz its fun, not cuz it the talk, if you are stuck and its 3 am, go sleep and stop coding for the day

[main urchin]

@near ocean I want to get ones that I am qualified for

Many have qualifications

[twin kiln]

Strong backend (java and Python) with Angular..

[tender saddle]

it says not for recruitment int he topic

[twin kiln]

got it

[tender saddle]

also rule 9 of the server is no recruiting basically

[ocean ledge]

so like... the first month of a class in CS?

you should know more probably

like, a lot more

[vapid jay]

Thanks a lot Snowy for your input, are you also a data engineer

[vapid jay]

@lean wolf Hello, we do not allow for unapproved advertising here. Feel free to DM @severe widget with the details if you wish to share your content here.

[lean wolf]

thank you

[vapid jay]

Hey there guys!
I am a newbie in python and otherwise programming. What sites do you recommend that are interactive as well?

[shrewd garnet]

im also a new comer to python, for the basics i would recommed: https://www.w3schools.com
it has not only python courses and activites, but also html, css, etc

[fossil ruin]

!resources are pretty good

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[vapid jay]

Ahh thanks mate

[wraith spoke]

Is this career discussion channel for only programming related jobs?

[buoyant seal]

Introducing python from o reilly is really good for beginners

[stable lichen]

are there any jobs that include art and coding?

[buoyant seal]

UX/UI designer. More to design
And frontend developer. More to coding
If from web

Optionally... 3D modeling from other fields, I guess. Not sure here, I am only with web familiar

[stable lichen]

thank you!

[buoyant seal]

UX/UI Actually... mm very specific case. But it usually often goes united with going into fully web design.
I would say UX/UI is a form of a visual coding

FIGMA instrument is used around for that

[stable lichen]

once again thank you so much :)

[vapid jay]

Thanks mate! Will check it out

[thin wyvern]

what kind of programming knowledge is expected from a person applying for his first programming job regarding python?

[vapid jay]

https://youtu.be/0N_vjYKtx88 @thin wyvern

[thin wyvern]

thank you

[vapid jay]

Would it be a bad idea to put my webscraping code on github given the questionable legality of it in some countries and sites?

what courses can I take for college?

I completed school with Commerce and Informatics Practices(Python Basics)

I didn't take maths

[buoyant seal]

Basics: Data structures, algorithms, DNS, OSI model, SQL, Git.
Optionally... some things like SOLID

[thin wyvern]

@buoyant seal i got Git down at least lol, thanks

[buoyant seal]

There is more to Git than you can imagine. At... junior level at least GUI handling is expected though. A big bonus will be knowing CLI.

AFTER philosophy would be good way to move into git better
https://dzone.com/articles/git-best-practices-after-technique-1

[thin wyvern]

by CLI you mean using commands? in that case that's how i learned git anyway. and i know everything on that page already which is surprising!

[buoyant seal]

Great. Then you indeed can mark git as down

[dry sapphire]

what kind of help are you looking for? this is a channel for discussing Python and careers. if your question is about whether that's reasonable for an internship, here is fine. if you're asking about the technical details, I suggest #web-development

[vapid jay]

do i need to learn other languages alongside python?

[summer roost]

Python is very commonly used alongside other languages

[buoyant seal]

I plan to learn some faster language.... in a next year or year after that

or perhaps just to dive into C++ python packages ;b

anyway, I think I am interested in Golang

at least its promise of 40x speed in comparison to Python, is captivating

but for now I plan to get a better grasp of all.... fundamental programming knowledge before diving into next lang

[inner fox]

Is Golang used widely? Or is it going to gain traction in the future? I'm interested in Golang too

[buoyant seal]

I know that golang can be used in web development to build a site
plus it is the most recomended language for devops

[inner fox]

Interesting

[buoyant seal]

since I am already in web dev... it looks like a logical choice to get next
it will complement my devops/web skills

[buoyant seal]

One of attractions is probably that it is open source and I already tried its pip analog.

Smooth ability to install additional libraries

I think future belongs to open source in programming

Look at the proprietary browser engines... they all die. Only open source ones are good and living

Python is so good I think because of being open source as well

[viral shard]

I don't know if this topic belongs here and if it doesn't then I am sorry for the inconvenience.
I am trying to get into Computer Architecture however I'm not sure where to start and how to get better into it.
Can you guys recommend some streamers/materials for me to dive into?

[buoyant seal]

https://discord.gg/code
There is section system with hardware change

[buoyant seal]

Anyway, it looks inspirational, started listening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ReKdcpNyQg

Got it from something that looks like official go site
https://golang.org/

[inner fox]

Yeah, I was thinking of just grabbing the official manual and starting from there, I will definitely try and watch that video to get a deeper insight into whether or not it will be beneficial to learn go

[buoyant canopy]

uhm. how can i put, my friends are going in webD and android stuff, but i dont't like them personally, i'm intrested in data science, ML, DL stuff, is it good to just start a data science as a career? and if so, any resource or course to make myself job ready?

[inner fox]

Andrew Ng's course is a universally agreed upon starting point

ML skills don't mean all that much in the job market if you can't do the housekeeping (web dev, Dev ops etc)
Try to get a solid ground on the maths otherwise you'll just be implementing things wrong. There are some brilliant resources in the pinned messages of the #data-science-and-ai channel

[buoyant canopy]

so, people don't usually go into data science directly? they choose different career and apply data science there?

[gray anvil]

I did a DS Bootcamp for mid career professionals. Most of them had domain knowledge they wanted to apply data skills to

[vapid jay]

how do i know that i am at an advanced level

large github projects? which have use

[buoyant seal]

when you projects will be

1. well documented on code level and even having wiki
2. very well structurized, with even pattern usage, so you could add new features as easy as possible
3. secure
4. fast performance
5. good coverage with unit/integration testing, which require as less refactorization as possible to support them

basically... your code project can be easily continued with another coder

if it has attraction for comfortable work with multiple people

[vapid jay]

ive done 3 of these and its my first API

is there something to use to generate docs from docstrings

also ive tried testing but its all asynchronous and pytest hasnt worked yet

[buoyant seal]

there is pytest integration with asyncio
just a matter of adding one decorator and one pip install
https://pypi.org/project/pytest-asyncio/

[buoyant seal]

Sphinx is best and most universal
highly recommending as basic choice
it requires some extension enabling though
https://eikonomega.medium.com/getting-started-with-sphinx-autodoc-part-1-2cebbbca5365

it should work for a guide to get started

[buoyant seal]

if it is API, there are additional choices to make interactive wiki for your endpoints
https://fastapi.tiangolo.com/features/
Fast API web framework goes with all included them by default
Swagger
ReDoc

but you can enable them in any framework

[vapid jay]

ive googled and pytest-asyncio didnt work for me

ive thought of unittest

[buoyant seal]

what's your framework

[vapid jay]

currently havent implemented any tests, just pure websockets implementation

[buoyant seal]

so, no django/flask and e.t.c?

[vapid jay]

nop, ive also created a server and its possible with websockets.serve although i used flask for the site

[buoyant seal]

scratching head
I know how to setup testing for flask if needed

[vapid jay]

yea unittest seems legit like IsolatedAsyncioTest or smth

because it resolves around the concept of bots, pytest needs to be seperated into different files(i think) and having it all in one class means creating only one bot instance

[buoyant seal]

if you can setup with pytest
highly recommending pytest
pytest is just much more comfortable than unittest

[vapid jay]

not in my use case unless it can test inside a class

[buoyant seal]

well, unittest more or less have the same features
so, it will do the work

[vapid jay]

ive seen some videos for entry level jobs etc and they all mention git usage and github projects to showoff does this help at all

[buoyant seal]

git yes, I would not pick a dev without it

github projects help I guess, less time to score someone

[vapid jay]

ive commited to some linux projects aswell, do recruiters look at those at all

[buoyant seal]

which sorts? Linux is important for web dev, but what are you doing there?

[vapid jay]

linux mint to be specific idk i got into linux recently so why not

[buoyant seal]

what sort of a project there?

[vapid jay]

update manager

idk maybe if i fill my commits tab ill be given more exposure

but ive established py knowledge and im thinking of learning 1 or 2 more

[visual perch]

Can you guys tell me what are the fields in which I can use python apart from data science

[buoyant seal]

web development

apperently it is for game development as well. Never would have thought, but games like... Civilization 4, or World of Tanks... all in python

[buoyant seal]

https://www.upgrad.com/blog/python-applications-in-real-world/
as full list

[visual perch]

Woah!

[visual perch]

Thanks mate!

[vapid jay]

I think coding would be cool

[toxic oar]

well the things needed to run tests are called "fixtures" by pytest, you can have your bot instance as a fixture that stays live during entire tests run and can be shared across different test functions

[hidden grove]

[hidden grove]

whoa

[summer roost]

!warn 638990496097763348 Please review the rules you agreed to when joining the server. Specifically, rule 6 - no unapproved advertising.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @keen loom.

[patent grove]

What are some jobs/internships you can get as a software engineering major?

[hidden grove]

join my server

[hot palm]

Hi, how to learn a python and c++ league

[clever rivet]

Install an app called "mimo" on your phone, it teaches you all programming languages

[vapid jay]

or use codecademy

[vapid jay]

udemy is best

[vapid jay]

unless you dont wanna pay

also opinions are subjective, he goes with whatever he likes

[dapper bobcat]

i wouldn't suggest udemy to be a good platform

yea

and not good recognition
plus unless you're a freshman trying to get grades in an engineering college, you really don't need udemy

exactly mate

[hot cliff]

I was between Udemy and just going through YouTube videos to learn....decided on YouTube videos...

Hoping between videos and being more active in here, I'll be able to actually learn enough to make a career change in the next year or 2

[unreal orchid]

What's the purpose of Python?

If nothing is efecient When using it

Cuz I wanna make an application
But was told that python is not made for effeciency then what's it's purpose

[digital fjord]

getting things done quickly and neatly

it often ends up better to have an inefficient application in a week than an efficient in 4 weeks

[marsh wind]

Also fod backend web dev unless you seem some crazy lightning fast API python will do just fine

And it applies to most things. You need something super memory and cpu efficient? Search for alternatives. But in many cases to don't need that for one reason or another.

[feral sand]

i did find good ones. i guess i was lucky

[patent grove]

What are some jobs/internship positions that you could get as a software engineering major?

Also, is there a huge difference when it comes to software engineering majors and CS majors when finding a job?

[ornate laurel]

idk if this is the right place to ask but I want to become a more advanced coder but I don't really know where to start i watch a lot of coders on YT ive done some basic stuff I have basic knowledge and i have some books it's what im going to college for and I just want to chat to an advanced coder more often lol

[covert vector]

how do universities and or colleges teaches their students python

[buoyant seal]

My university:
Here tasks for current semester
You can complete them in python or java
Good luck!

[last zenith]

No, I am more on the data analytics/data modeling side of things.

[unique canopy]

Hey guys! I know some basics of python and little bit of advanced. What I should do next? Like solving challenges from hackerrank or build some projects related to it?

[vapid jay]

I would recommend work on projects

[unique canopy]

ok will do!

[vapid jay]

Here is some of my python projects
https://youtube.com/channel/UCAAOHdcc89SgUjUcOovPKRA
It's not for promotion just wanted to show you

[dawn sage]

i see git is mostly huge becuase it allows lots of developers to work together on many different things at one time. .. from this quote
Git is software for tracking changes in any set of files, usually used for coordinating work among programmers collaboratively developing source code during software development. Its goals include speed, data integrity, and support for distributed, non-linear workflows makes a lot of sense to not bring on a developer that doesnt know how to collaborate with git .

[buoyant seal]

not only that.

git is core feature allowing developer... to make changes from one to another while remaining having stable code? or at least always having ability to fix mistakes?
even if is junior, they already need having at least basic git handling at the GUI level.

all middle+ coders must have this skill at CLI level and having good grasp of best practices with it.

anyway. Even if the coder is only one. If he pretends to be more than junior, then he must have his git skills really good.
Git is not only about collaboration. Git is like TDD, allows making small reliable changes to final product.

[thick widget]

Where u guys think it's a good place to try to get the first money as a new python data scientist?

[gray anvil]

First job or are you a mid career professional?

[ocean solar]

This isn't exactly a career advice; I was wondering what full scholarships really are. As an international student myself, it isn't something probably to spend $40000 a year to admit into a decent IT university and my only possible way would be to get a scholarship. Has anyone gotten a full scholarship regarding software engineering regardless of which country? How has the journey been? What do you think?

[vapid jay]

Is a boot camp worth the money?

[humble kelp]

I love making projects with python, I've made a whole lot of projects (Including applications hosted on cloud), but I really don't like doing data structure problems, for example inverting a binary tree (I honestly didn't even look into trees), but for jobs, those are the type of questions asked. I am not sure what to do. I wanna do something I love, like learn different modules and make different applications, but I don't want to give my time to data structure and algorithms because that doesn't excite me. What should I do?

[raw hare]

hello , i'm new and my future plan is to do " EECS " and am currently in the 11th grade can i get some suggestion of where i should be starting from..?

[rose dock]

Happy Memorial Day all. I finished my second course of data structures and algorithms last semester and I still feel a bit shaky on them. Definitely not super confident. Any pointers, direction? Both courses were using Java, but I’d like to focus more on Python.

[orchid thorn]

??

[humble kelp]

I do understand algorithms really well. I have done a lot of questions on leetcode and codewars which are based on array, or strings, it's just the trees and graphs which confuse me

[orchid thorn]

wdym by read coders at work

[rose dock]

I was wondering how good those things are: LeetCode and CodeWars

[humble kelp]

I prefer CodeWars because it's has a pretty nice ranking up feature and it gets kinda friendly competitive which I really like. Like a reward for solving each problem, so yeah. And the test cases are visible (all of them), and the problems are made and rated by the community itself.

[plush galleon]

Really interesting question. As someone looking for a way to finance a master's degree, if someone had a feedback about this.

[vapid jay]

I wanted to thank this community for keeping me inspired to keep programming. I almost gave up last year, but the code jam kept me going. I recently got a job as a full stack developer and couldn't be happier. Before I was a landscaper and self taught programmer, so the dream is possible. Thanks to everyone here, especially the staff. 🙏

[plush galleon]

I asked for permission but didn't get an answer

Since this is already in the resources section, I guess that it's OK

People willing to learn Python can get 3 months free access to JetBrains Academy if they submit the problem of the day during the whole month of June

[limber rampart]

that's awesome, congratulations 😌

[plush galleon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hyperskill/comments/njyt53/the_30day_coding_challenge_with_jetbrains_academy/

[plush galleon]

Full stack with only Python?

Anyway congratulations

[vapid jay]

The job is with java and react. I didn't have much experience with those technologies before, but my passion for programming showed in my python projects. It was when I started learning openCV and computer vision that I started getting more notice.

[plush galleon]

Did you get the job before learning these skills?

It seems like you already knew which job you wanted

[vapid jay]

Yeah. I had only done a tiny bit of js and java before the job. Just enough to mention it on my resume. I was basically entirely python.

I had applied to over 200 companies when I got fed up with the process. So I learned openCV and made an interactive dummy cam to use in zoom interviews. That inspired a friend of mine to give me a recommendation on a private posting, which led to the job offer. I was hired based on my quick learning and hacker mentality.

You my biggest recommendation to people trying to get their first job is switch to Linux, always have a project going on, and build crazy shit.

[plush galleon]

My concern was that basically you exaggerated a little bit too much so the interviewer could have spotted it

[thick widget]

first

[marble venture]

what do you guys think of going fullstack with django and react?

[covert vector]

do they give u any ressources lol or like a book, tutorial does the teacher do anything

[plush galleon]

You could be surprised by the lack of support from your university

[covert vector]

well

thats that

might as well learn alone lol

[plush galleon]

University gives you a degree and you don't know the useless part beforehand

I would have chosen another cursus if I knew all this a couple of years ago

[covert vector]

they give u a degree but like its a pretty shitty environnment if that what they give u

i am in college now so i am deciding what i wanna do maybe i will just end it in college and go to work

[molten spoke]

this is so cool!!! nice job dude 😄

[vapid jay]

this is awesome, gz

[rare sand]

I love this. thanks for posting it, I appreciate you.

[open patio]

this is awesome to hear, congratulations!!

[bold hearth]

Congratulations, that’s awesome. Good luck on the years to come!

[vapid jay]

🙏

[plush galleon]

Where are you from?

[covert vector]

ontario

[covert vector]

ok

[lucid vapor]

Congratulations!

[hot cliff]

Sorry I’m late to the party, but CONGRATS!!! As someone just starting the learning path this is awesome to see!

[buoyant seal]

First two years, we had full education of basics in programming with c++. Algorithm, data structures, OOP.

It is assumed I guess, that people who survived to third year, can self learn any necessary language in required time frame to complete the task... well, and they are right.

So we had unexpected tasks in new to us languages which we handled: Fortran, prolog, c#-, assembler, Sql, python

Whatever. They teached us how to self learn. Whatever it was intended or not, it is the most important skill I received

[proud rapids]

i have a question about software development! is desktop app dying ? because nowadys i saw alot people focus on web app and mobile app the most

[digital fjord]

desktop apps have their merits and they are still made, but as web apps get more powerful, the expenses in developing one get less and less worthwhile.

[proud rapids]

ok

[fickle tide]

!rule 9 not the place to ask

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[modest echo]

Sorry@fickle tide

[proud rapids]

i can print u "Hello World" whole day @modest echo

[modest echo]

Any specific channel for that? For asking!

[proud rapids]

just kidding ^^

[fickle tide]

nope, no paid work requests in the server at all

[proud rapids]

off topic ? i guess @modest echo

[fickle tide]

no, nowhere

[modest echo]

@fickle tide can you tell me any websites or platform for that

[fickle tide]

I don't know of any

[proud rapids]

codesupport @modest echo

CodeSupport, they have hiring or looking channel

[modest echo]

Thanks

[proud rapids]

np bro ^^

@modest echo u should write a description like what language, more details

[modest echo]

Ahh leave I think thats enough

[proud rapids]

arre u freelancer

[timid inlet]

Late reply, but Fluent Python by Luciano Ramalho is also an excellent book if you really want to go in-depth into Python

[last walrus]

Hello

is there anyone who has worked with RNN? I need help

[vapid jay]

Thanks mate! Will make sure to read

[leaden charm]

guys with no formal education, how did you land your first job? More specifacally interested in DS but others are welcome to chime in too

What kind of project impressed your employer?

[plush galleon]

Ontario Tech University?

[plush galleon]

Did you mean "assembly"?

Assembler is the program which translates to machine language

[buoyant seal]

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=introduction-assembler-language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language I guess it has two names, assembly and assembler at the same time

[plush galleon]

It seems like a frequent advice

[buoyant seal]

well, calling it assembly would be better in English though
miss translation. in my language it is called assembler)

[plush galleon]

In my mother tongue we call both "assembler" but in English it's recommended to precise "language"

Did you learn C++ in first year? It seems quite advanced for a beginner

[buoyant seal]

yeah. it is the first language we got started.
shrugs, it was university, I think it is normal for universities to get started from C++

"if you can handle C++, you will handle everything else" ;b

[buoyant seal]

technically we did not learn C++ though.
as I said, we just learned programming basics in C++, data structures / algorithms and e.t.c

to get grasp of the language and using is efficiently it is enterilly different matter I think
I score my C++ language level as... beginning junior at best. And I think I scored higher than it is truth

only when I switched to C# I started to feel freedom and ability to go boldly where no man has gone before 😉

[plush galleon]

Usually you start with C to grasp concepts like pointers

[buoyant seal]

mm yeah, basically we used C
it was C++ only how we called it and used compiler

we went with pointers also

[plush galleon]

We learned Python but, to compare with spoken languages, only at something that would approximate to A2 level

We learned Java and I still don't know why because we didn't have to do anything interesting so it might have been to disgust us off it

[buoyant seal]

I wished to play with Java in minecraft)
raised recently my own Linux CLI Forge server

[plush galleon]

What do you mean?

[buoyant seal]

I mean, to make some mods to minecraft with it)

tbh, even just having your own minecraft server with... half of hundreds of mods...
already requires getting grasp in java to fill some holes

minecraft mods are just awesome, they implement... quite... big array of things
https://habrastorage.org/getpro/habr/post_images/c6b/660/447/c6b66044731eee9761de7d4a24a4ad0e.jpg

[plush galleon]

I don't think that I would enjoy it

[buoyant seal]

shrugs
I am fascinated with... how good minecraft moders cooperate between each other
I mean... can you imagine... hundreds of mods between different authors
and they interact often so well for this big amount?
I think they represent a very nice... concept of open source movement and cooperation.

but.. oh well, I wish to learn Golang as next, it would be more proffitable to me, on my web dev path.

[peak pagoda]

Anyone got a clue where to start serching for jobs and how when you are self learned and just about ready to search for a job?

[odd parcel]

go to stack overflow

[vapid jay]

Hi, can I copy someone's code and put it in my resume?

[near ocean]

No?

[vapid jay]

why?

what will happen?

[supple warren]

that’s plagiarism. it’s wrong, and depending on licenses it might be a crime

Also, the company that is looking at ur resume might ask u about that code and u can’t explain it so u get no job

[vapid jay]

What would be the point in a resume with someone else's code?

uhh

?

save my time?

I can't tell if you're trolling

i'm not

[near ocean]

Save your time from what

[vapid jay]

You seriously don't see anything wrong with putting someone else's work in your resume lmao? Why would any company want to hire you?

I understand the code so whats the matter with it?

what lmao?

People dont hire people because they understand how other people's code works

[near ocean]

Thats not how that works
Its not yours, you dont have a claim on it, dont do it its plagiarism and probably copyright violation

[plush galleon]

Why Go instead of other languages?

[vapid jay]

lmaoo

[plush galleon]

I know your nickname on Discord but I still don't pretend being you

[vapid jay]

being me?

[buoyant seal]

I am in web dev with python.
Go looks like fastest analog for web dev, + quite recommended for devops which I highly like as well

[plush galleon]

It would be an identity theft if I pretended being you

[plush galleon]

You can settle for Python for devops

[buoyant seal]

well, yeah.

[plush galleon]

What do you mean by "analog"?

[buoyant seal]

but Golang still makes 40 times speed for web dev.
Analog I mean as language-replacement for backend

[plush galleon]

If you want the fastest programs for web, Rust might be your pick

[vapid jay]

no one use rust

[buoyant seal]

I wish to use the most modern and comfortable language
I like the goals placed for Golang = simple, reliable, and efficient

I checked, it looks to me like it is already having rich enough libraries, probably.

[plush galleon]

Rust is more "modern" than Go

By the way, its proper name isn't "Golang"

[buoyant seal]

by using Go you have really hard time to google required information

[plush galleon]

No one accepts egregious plagiarism

[buoyant seal]

I like Go for being more simple

[plush galleon]

I think that informations related to Go are quite easy to find

[buoyant seal]

Rust looks to me a bit... too much low-leveled

[plush galleon]

The message you quoted wasn't for you

[plush galleon]

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/go-golang-course/

[buoyant seal]

Youtube% Videos are evil.

I'll better find some text tutorial, or even interactive one. Or reading a book or smth.

I'll start with golang when I will finish with Design Patterns though. They are awesome if learned from O'Reilly Head First

[plush galleon]

It's still Go 😁

I don't have any book about Go

[inland raft]

i have an interview at a startup for internship they are probably gonna ask me about rest api aws flask/django type frameworks .......please advice me its my first interview.

[plush galleon]

Do you know these topics?

Is it a big startup?

[lucid vapor]

Keep in mind, speed is not everything.

[buoyant seal]

no worry. I google them pretty easily as f"{programming_subject} O'Reilly"

[buoyant seal]

yeah, architecture is super important too, that's why I currently learn Design Patterns
Good architecture can really speed up programming speed 😉

Well, and getting more and more hang of TDD. Super cool stuff too, having no idea how I lived without it before.

[sudden quartz]

Advice for starting internship first day?

[plush galleon]

You can find books on the most famous websites dedicated to that but I don't think I can give links

[plush galleon]

In the Head First book?

[buoyant seal]

tbh golang has probably even ultimate documentation on even its official site.
https://golang.org/doc/

[buoyant seal]

yeah

[plush galleon]

It depends on your enterprise, on your supervisor, on your colleagues and on some other factors

[plush galleon]

Like a lot of languages

[plush galleon]

I was thinking about ordering the new edition but in Europe it costs nearly 50 €

[buoyant seal]

I mean, it has human READABLE documentation on its official site)

[plush galleon]

... like a lot of languages

[steep flare]

im unable to get a help channel past an hour

[covert vector]

maybe

[shell orchid]

guys what do u put in a portfolio?

[proud rapids]

I have a question about embedded system programming, why embedded development is in electrical engineer but not software engineer ?

[digital fjord]

embedded development is extremely different from regular software dev, with entirely different requirements and overall much lower level.

[arctic verge]

Hey, im deciding between two different udemy courses in order to start learning.

I know some people don't like udemy, but could someone take a quick look at these two courses and tell me which would be better?
https://www.udemy.com/course/complete-python-developer-zero-to-mastery/

https://www.udemy.com/course/100-days-of-code/

[vestal widget]

I know there is some experienced devs as well that's why i wanna ask that:
what do you think about c# net core vs java spring/boot? Which is better for career? Which has less legacy to maintain with old stuffs? which tends to be more exciting?

[gilded valley]

I'm interested in having some form of a programming profession, but I've been looking at videos and other sources of information and started to think if it's honestly worth trying. I've read that people have had 5 years of experience, applied to hundreds of companies but haven't gotten any response or even an offer. Would it be worth it to pursue a computer science degree? (Note- I've still got four more years until college so I've got a ways away, but still gives me concern.)

[vapid jay]

I believe demand for developers is stills on the rise, and it matters a lot what kind of programming experience these people where having in these 5 years. So the question is how interested you are in working as a programmer, how much you like it. Four years is plenty of time to become a good programmer, and depending of the path you take you might not even need a degree to be successful. I suggest you try learning a thing or two about development (if you already don't know) and see if this is something you would like to do for a living.

[buoyant seal]

if you have computer science degree and you invested your time into additional self education, it is more or less easy to start. (especially if you made some perhaps pet-projects in addition?)
especially if you will put time to your self education... you will be more than ready to pursue this path... but... beware, that following this path, you agree to self-educate yourself forever for the rest of your life) The path of coder to be learning forever. If he wants to be succesful at least.

after I started working in industry programming, I think in half of year I learned materials worthy of my 6 years in university%

[vestal widget]

And what about that?🧐

[vapid jay]

That's why I dropped college 👀

[vapid jay]

Patience 😄

hi

[gilded valley]

sounds pretty fitting to me, i love learning new stuff and more about what I already know so I guess i'll continue to learn and see if I truly think programming is right for me, thanks fellas!

[ionic palm]

i have been programming proffesionally since 1932 ask me anything

[plush galleon]

It depends on the topic

[plush galleon]

I bought both for a relative of mine and this person preferred the first one but if I were you I'd buy the second one or I'd try JetBrains Academy which offers 3 months if you solve the daily challenge every day in June

[arctic verge]

Thanks! 3 people have told me the first one so im going to go with that.

I'll check out the jetbrains thing too :)

[plush galleon]

I learned Java (though I'm not proficient in it) and I could only recommend you to learn C#

A relative of mine learned C# and never regretted it

[plush galleon]

In which field?

[plush galleon]

The first instructor is more famous but I found the second to be better at what she does

[vestal widget]

Why? Why is net core better than spring/boot?

[plush galleon]

Each language has its advantages and inconvenients but I'm bored with Java and people writing C# seems to enjoy it more than people writing Java

[buoyant seal]

Web dev, more specifically.. digging backend+devops at the moment

I learn everything necessary that person should know in those professions. From language knowledge to best practice with gits, its workflows, design patterns, architecture designs. Containerization, config management, load balancing. How to setup every part of product for production, including databases, and etc. A ton of pratice in a lot of fields.

I am in funny position where I am required to fill all backend+devops workload all by myself.... for many months. Quite loving amount of growth.

Sometimes a bit stressed though. As there are physical limits how much one person can learn in very short time frames.

[vapid jay]

im looking for £1,000,000 a month

any offers

[fleet marten]

question about these positions and asks...```- 7+ years of software development experience.

• 6 years of epxerience as a PL/SQL Developer
• Strong experience in Wealth management or Finance/Banking Domain
• Ability to use strong industry knowledge to relate to customer needs and dissolve customer concerns and high level of focus and attention to detail. - ```
  First of all, a typo, real impressive, but do they really expect people to have both extensive technical and be an expert in the industry?

[summer roost]

You pick up a lot just working in a particular industry for a long time. That doesn't seem like a ridiculous ask for someone who has spent 10 years as an Oracle developer working in finance or banking.

[sharp valve]

cap

[fleet marten]

so they just want a dev from another bank

[summer roost]

yep. the weirdest part of that job posting to me is the "customer needs" and "customer concerns" references. I wouldn't expect Oracle developers at places large enough to have dedicated Oracle developers to ever interact with customers.

[fleet marten]

That's what threw me

Do they want a dev or a financial advisor?

[summer roost]

eh. It's not that rare for developers to interact with clients. I've worked at companies that sent devs out with their business people when talking to clients

it can actually be really helpful and enlightening to see how your real users really use your software.

but, someone who's doing PL/SQL isn't making the sort of software that users interact directly with, so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[buoyant seal]

I know a guy who spent 11 years in one bank. He became database expert, oracle included.

But I think that killed him as developer. He knew nothing that even junior should know in web dev, and none the less he applied to be team lead for web dev project. I think he failed quite spectaculary

[zenith oracle]

my career is destroyed 😂

[gray anvil]

F

[small tangle]

!close

[gusty carbon]

?

[small tangle]

Nothing

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-wassup-how-are-you-hey-you-hi-gif-15906315

[vestal widget]

Yeah okay.. and which do you think is more famous among startups,midsized companies?

[plush galleon]

You seem obsessed with web but web doesn't interest everyone out there

[plush galleon]

Why not C#? I see a lot of small companies using it but startups in my region use either Python or JS but their tests include C problems and SQL requests

[dawn sage]

was just looking at my repositories .. wondering whether it is a bad sign for recruiters when a repository is uploaded and hasn't had recent activity since it was uploaded

https://github.com/swordysrepo

[buoyant seal]

obsession is my fuel propelling me forward.

[peak halo]

@dawn sage please don't ping random people.

About that same topic?

[vestal widget]

Ive seen looots of spring boot jobs

[nocturne latch]

in scale 1 to 10 how difficult it is to get a job at google as their software engineer

[night wigeon]

-25

[vivid hollow]

I would guess it depends what you have to offer? Generally they are looking for not just a degree, but that you did well in college and that you have intelligence and problem solving skills, since a lot of what you will be doing is improving or fixing existing algorithms

[long storm]

Guys I need a job so I dropped out and now I don't have a job

[vapid jay]

im learning html/css and javascript to be a front end developer, ive been advised to learn a back end development just incase for employable reasons and have a better undrstanding of web development, should i learn python or java once im done with front end stuff?

[acoustic bronze]

Quo vadis, python.

[vestal widget]

Dude, i coded 4-5hrs in java with spring to test it.. i must say, it’s fking amazing with intelliJ

[sharp lark]

Hi guys, I am looking for internship in Marketing Analytics, if you have any resources or contacts please DM.

[lavish geyser]

aww man java is just painful to write compared to c#

its really bad, java is SO FAR behind

[vestal widget]

Why?

[lavish geyser]

it lacks so many features that c# has, its a dated lang that hasnt modernized, now Kotlin, another jvm lang is very nice

[vestal widget]

It has been modernized lol.. i think it’s nice to write

• job opportunities are much bigger with spring boot than net core.. and modern, high tech comps use Java

[lavish geyser]

It very much has not compared to c#

It’s moderately more popular then core and asp yes but that is very quickly changing with just how much better core and asp is then Java and boot

[vestal widget]

But after java you can easily switch to c# + .net core

[lavish geyser]

Yee you can easily jump between the two oc. The Lang’s are similar enough

[vestal widget]

Check this out

The exact type of job i wanna do..

[shy adder]

I'm currently trying to brute force learn C# in a few weeks because it turns out there's not many python jobs around here so what have the last 5 years been for

[lavish geyser]

I mean Java isn’t bad to learn job wise oc. Just actually writing it is painful when you know c# as well

[lavish geyser]

Join the c# server if you’d like to accelerate that 😁

[shy adder]

I'm actually on that one, though sad since it doesn't seem quite as active as this one (though I may just be on the wrong C# server)

[vestal widget]

As jr dev, first thing should be (i suppose) to get a job and learn there.. from there i could move to net core, nodejs, django, whatever.. because java is strong typed, oop, etc. Lots of transferable knowledge. I know them, but wanna dive deeply into it to get a job..

[lavish geyser]

It’s very active? And your on the right one

Ohh but ya i mean compared to this server no lol

This ones got 200k which is absolutely massive for a programming server

[shy adder]

I'll probably spend some more time on there in the coming days. Of course I'm starting with a discord bot, it's become my go-to for starting any language

[lavish geyser]

I also like to use dbots to learn Lang’s tbh

[shadow moss]

depends on location and such but I haven't seen a ton of C# replacing Java, more Kotlin then C# just because retraining and rewriting code is rarely makes sense for most companies

[primal sandal]

Anyone from India (CBSE) who took PCM in 11th? Please DM me, need some advice :)

[lavish geyser]

Less Java companies switching and more companies doing new greenfield dev in .net core

I can speak for my company in saying that the Java part of the company is def switching more so to kotlin rather then core but a lot of new dev is either TS or core

[earnest magnet]

im 14 and just starting to learn python as my first coding language what can i do with this in life?

[rugged lance]

@earnest magnet ask yourself, what do you want to do with it first 🙂 and then think about solution to your problem through code or something else

[lucid moth]

learn the basics

[fringe pine]

Sorry @hasty shell, recruiting is not permitted here.

[shy adder]

This is what I've been seeing in the local market as well, lot less call for Java devs compared to a few years ago, most everything is C# and/or PHP as far as back end stuff goes

Does anyone here have any experience with those remote companies that hire you to do contract work/support for other companies? I'm seeing a lot of remote jobs in the vein that look kinda promising but I've no experience working as part of an outsourced dev team

[shadow moss]

I work with a ton, it’s generally not technically difficult work but it can be grinding and somewhat rough

[shy adder]

thank you for the response, I'm probably gonna look into more of those. How does the pay work? I'm kinda confused by companies of this type that offer full time work with benefits, I'm not sure how that would work

[shadow moss]

If you are Full Time Employee (FTE), they pay you every 2 weeks or whatever, nothing confusing about it

[shy adder]

okay, wasn't sure if the pay was somehow based on the contract. Thank you!

[shadow moss]

Not if you are FTE Salaried employee, your employer pays you whatever you negotiated with them

the money from contract is your company problem, not yours

[shy adder]

Definitely, Discord.py is a great library with good documentation, and there's no reason python can't be perfectly capable of running it

you might need to figure out some load balancing stuff if you're working on something as big as mee6, but other than that I've had a good time with it

If you need inspiration, look no further than our own @inner wren bot. You can look at the repo for some inspiration on what it's capable of:

https://github.com/python-discord/bot

[ashen elk]

you can ask here

[peak halo]

I've been offered a contract for what is anticipated to be three to five days of work on a natural language processing library. I completed my CS degree recently and this would be my first time working in an industrial setting. What ballpark should I expect as an hourly rate? I'm in the United States. The company is not US-based.

[proper zinc]

im gonna be a hacker

[vivid hollow]

not all hackers are bad, a lot of software companies have hacker teams who try and break into their own software to find exploits and weaknesses

so that way cybercriminals won't find it first. That's why people shouldn't use "hacker" as a prejorative word - hacking is a perfectly respectable science and profession. It's when you use hacking for evil that it's bad - and that's not being a hacker, it's being a cybercriminal

[proper zinc]

no

im gonna try to rob banks with my hacking skills

no go to college

cause they wont accept some 18 yo

[summer roost]

!warn 838115916327026740 Don't drop random gifs in on-topic channels.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @rotund compass.

[rotund compass]

ok

[marble fractal]

Im a pretty damn good python programmer, and Im only 13 years old, How do I make some money at my age

and I need stupid amounts of money for a business I want to start (no loans/parents to give me anything)

[wispy cargo]

maybe freelance

like if you're particularly good with a certain library, like pygame for example, you could advertise a service to code them a game for a certain amount of money.

[marble fractal]

im good with discord.py

[wispy cargo]

then you could code discord bots for money i guess

obviously they'd probably have to be pretty good if you're charging them

[buoyant seal]

small little problem with laws tbh

[wispy cargo]

oh

[buoyant seal]

there are different age restrictions in different countries about minimal working age

[wispy cargo]

good point, i'm not inciting it, just listing ideas

obviously you'd have to follow any laws in your country

[buoyant seal]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-minimum-age-requirement-to-be-a-freelancer-on-freelancer-com
perhaps reading something from here
some ideas can give pointers from there

[mental tartan]

Was your trainer institution the szte ttik ? :DDD 'cause they use intelliJ soo often.

[swift tulip]

i'm new to programming

does anyone knows the scope of physics + programming
or is currently working in this domain?

[primal sandal]

Okay, so I'm in 10th (CBSE) right now and am thinking to take PCM + CS next year. As of now, I really like CS and want to be a computer scientist. But the problem is that I'm not very good at Physics and Chemistry. I am able to solve questions of my grade, but I also take some extra classes and I have trouble solving questions of higher grade

[vestal widget]

SZTE TTIK? Szegedi Tudományegyetem? 😄

[vivid veldt]

Im currently in class 12 (CBSE), what do want to know?

[pastel nymph]

good?

not like I doubt you but can you give me an example of your achievement?

[primal sandal]

If I should take PCM + CS in class 11 ,And I really love CS as of now and I think I'm also good at it. But I am not very good at Physics and Chemistry, I'm able to solve questions of my grade but have trouble solving questions of higher grade. Maybe you can tell me your experience, it will definitely help me decide

[vivid veldt]

There's quite a big jump in difficult from 10th grade physics and chemistry to 11th and 12th grade physics and chemistry actually. In the starting it's going to feel difficult, but over time it becomes manageable provided that you put effort in it daily. As long as you don't completely hate it, it shouldn't be a problem
The CS curriculum isn't particularly difficult. Its easy to learn it online. Although if you don't have much experience coding, the classes can help. So maybe you can decide by looking into colleges and their particular requirements for the course you'd like to study

[primal sandal]

I know all the basics of Python, and know some basic algorithms, and know basic Boolean algebra, k-tables and stuff... So I'm not particularly worried about CS...

I also know some PCM concepts of higher grade such as mod, stochiometry, KVL, KCL, impulse, Oxidation State and stuff, I'm able to solve the basic questions, but sometimes face difficulty in some questions, and also I'm not able to regularly practice/learn new concepts, so I'm a lil worried about PCM, and if I'll be able to do it

But since I'm really interested in CS as of now, I think I should take PCM+CS

[vivid veldt]

yeah facing difficulty is not rare at all. You're already ahead if you can solve basic 11th grade questions while being in 10th. PCM+CS is ideal because colleges in India take students who have taken PCM in 11th and 12th (atleast presently, there are news about a new education system or something. I'm don't know much about it)

[primal sandal]

Okay, thanks for your help! By the way, I'm considering going abroad for higher studies!

[vivid veldt]

oh that's nice!

[uncut siren]

How can i be an ethical hacker?

[nova aurora]

I’m proud of myself

[mental tartan]

yapp

[vestal widget]

Nope nope 😄 Te diák vagy még?

[mental tartan]

aha

[nocturne latch]

cool, wish i can make that too

[vestal widget]

És mit tanultok Javaból? 🤔

[mental tartan]

OOP-t intelliJ-vel

[vestal widget]

Spring/boot-ot is tanítják/használjátok?

[mental tartan]

nope

[gusty carbon]

!rule 4

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[vestal widget]

alright

[long storm]

I have been trying to find a job but no luck

[vestal widget]

dont really get why ppl blame java for being shit,worse than c# and the other things.. i really like it lol

[long storm]

tbh I really hate java

It's should be a dead language already

[vestal widget]

reasons?

[lucid vapor]

Many people dislike how verbose Java is

[mental tartan]

i hate it too, but it was obligate to learn

[long storm]

I hate java as much as swift

[vestal widget]

why?

• that's not even close to a reason dude..

[long storm]

because they are used to develop on specfic device

[vestal widget]

what? Java? specific device? It can't even be more cross platform lol

[long storm]

Yeah that's the point

[violet rivet]

I like python better than JS

Its much simpler

You can do more things with it

Batch + VBScript are my favorite languages

[long storm]

python is for general purpose

[violet rivet]

so

[odd parcel]

how to win money?

[long storm]

Get a job

[odd parcel]

more easy lol?

[smoky vine]

crypto mining but that costs a lot to start with

[mental tartan]

I do not agree, because Java is platform-independent.

[ocean aspen]

Guys I have question
What topics/libraries should an aspiring developer master to work as a freelancer

[lucid vapor]

What fields do you enjoy working in? Web dev, data science, etc. Learn the libraries that are commonly used in that area.

[smoky vine]

Not sure, data science is fun

[outer tartan]

can someone give me a quide to get started with Competitve Coding like Leetcode and SPOJ? i am honestky so confused. pls help thx.

[wise pier]

not berry but i have the same question

what libraries/things to learn after doing the basics? im not good with math so not gonna look to data science/ml

im currently interested in backend. started ~1 month ago. currently doing the MIT ocw 6.0001 2016 edition and plan to start cs50 after completing it

[spice musk]

Depends what you want to go into more specifically.

Or what kind of products/clients you are targeting.

[wise pier]

what are some general good ones to learn.

i have couple years time rn

to learn porgramming

[spice musk]

I don’t know, you need to be more specific as to what you are trying to achieve and what field. For example things like web programming require you to some different things, as to something like game dev, although both can have back end to it.

[wise pier]

i am currently leaning towards web development and the like

although that can change in the future but i would like to have some knowledge rn

thanks :DD

[spice musk]

Right ok. You should know basics of how client/server or web technologies work. How to work with different frameworks and the basics of js/html for front end. For actual projects things like Payment Gateways, knowing how to export/import data with different formats would be good to know if you ever work with clients.

There is a roadmap you can refer to https://roadmap.sh/backend but not everything on there is actually need to know.

[wise pier]

thanks a lot!

[exotic hound]

hey guys, I have a description of everything I did at my first internship and I want to summarize it in key points on my resume and linkedin, can anyone help me with that