#career-advice | Python | Page 389

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:44 PM

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Hmm

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 12:44 PM

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hello!

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i started playing with python 2 days ago

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Web development is easier

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Or game development

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 12:45 PM

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and i think this is the right place to ask thing

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s

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:46 PM

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mint imp Or game development

It's not about easier tbh

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With enough experience anything is easy

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You just need practise

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Yea

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Try making something simple with pygame

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:47 PM

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When I see people coding bigg things and me struggling with small syntax errors I always quit and play games instead so it makes the learning speed slower

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:48 PM

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mint imp When I see people coding bigg things and me struggling with small syntax errors ...

That's natural

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Google pygame and give that a go

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Find a tutorial on YouTube and code a long

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:49 PM

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Yea

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:49 PM

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I find most of the enjoyment I get from coding is huge rush and sense of self satisfaction at the end when it works

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Also all the ladies love programmers

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Aww yeah

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:49 PM

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YES ISNT IT

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I solve simple problems like

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How to find a square

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And how to find average

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Using python

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:50 PM

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👍👍

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Learning numpy?

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:50 PM

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What is that

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:50 PM

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It's a mathematics library for python

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Na just yt

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A 11hr tutorial

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I have completed 2hrs

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Next step for you is learning some libraries you might find helpful 👍

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Python tutorial

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I will make a discord bot and earn cash for my in game purchasess

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:51 PM

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gray anvil Next step for you is learning some libraries you might find helpful 👍

Yea ..

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@gray anvil hey,what is ur goal or..What are u like what are u rn or what are u studying for..

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:53 PM

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mint imp <@117420442276462592> hey,what is ur goal or..What are u like what are u rn or w...

Oh, data science/data engineering for me, but I'm done ish studying

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Now it's just practise and building a portfolio

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:54 PM

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Oh great

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Ok now bye

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Have a good one little dude

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Sent ya friend req

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Ok later..

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yuhhgetintoitthug

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:00 PM

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hello guys

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i decide to work in a large company in the future, will coding help me for a better job

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?

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...and english

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hello?

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i think everyone is busy

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 1:04 PM

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steel light i think everyone is busy

Europe is at work, US sleeps/wakes up ;)

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:04 PM

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talk to me pls

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 1:05 PM

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Coding is a useful skill to have. You can automate some stuff, you can make statistics, you can experiment with stuff. Any office job can benefit from a bit of coding

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And even if you don't code at work, learning programming makes you think a bit differently about some problems

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 1:06 PM

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steel light ...and english

English is the current international language, so yes, knowing English is sometimes even required

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Especially in bigger corporations. If some company is international/has international staff, probably all communication within the company will be in English

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:07 PM

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u know it very well, seems like u are experienced

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how old are u

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@quartz aspen

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....?

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 1:09 PM

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I'm 25. But I'm working in a small company (50-100 employees, I think) :D

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I got some friends working for corpos or that were interns there

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:11 PM

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how did u start learning Python?

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 1:15 PM

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I'm in Asia, that's why I have time to talk rubbish

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It's night here and I'm nursing a drink

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Yeah mate learn English

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:16 PM

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@gray anvil how did u start learning Py?

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 1:16 PM

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I used to teach it as a second language

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Er, off a book, learning python the hard way

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Then I moved on to doing my own stuff

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:17 PM

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so u learned from a book

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text book?

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 1:17 PM

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A pdf, yeah

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 1:19 PM

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steel light how did u start learning Python?

For me it was when I was hired :D but I had a lot of experience in other languages and my employer knew I could pick up python fast

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Best learning is through doing. Learn basics first, then decide on a small project and learn while doing it. But remember to split the project into smaller chunks, especially if you have problems and want to ask questions - it's easier to search for/ask about a single thing at a time ^^

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Yep it's more about learning the fundamentals of programming

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And learning how to learn tbh

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Essential skill

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Should i start learning Python by apps on phone and reading documents from official Python website?

fickle crater Feb 26, 2021, 1:22 PM

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steel light Should i start learning Python by apps on phone and reading documents from offic...

but the docs can be sometimes confusion

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:22 PM

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can u suggest ?

fickle crater Feb 26, 2021, 1:22 PM

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just rely on logo_stack_overflow and youtube and some websites

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 1:22 PM

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No pick a structured course

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Free or book or youtube doesn't matter

fickle crater Feb 26, 2021, 1:23 PM

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gray anvil Free or book or youtube doesn't matter

wdym Free ?

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 1:23 PM

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fickle crater but the docs can be sometimes confusion

Nah. Docs are fine when you know what you're looking for. They are bad if you are searching for ~something~ but have no idea what it should be

fickle crater Feb 26, 2021, 1:23 PM

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gray anvil I used to teach it as a second language

so u r a teacher ?!

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Plenty of free resources out there

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Used to be

fickle crater Feb 26, 2021, 1:24 PM

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gray anvil Used to be

and now ?

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 1:24 PM

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Data analyst

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:24 PM

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quartz aspen Nah. Docs are fine when you know what you're looking for. They are bad if you ar...

so i have to find the true usages of ~something~?

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*should

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 1:26 PM

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It wasn't literal. I just meant, if you have no idea how to do something, docs won't help. Then Google, YouTube, tutorials, or even asking here are better. But once you know what to use but don't remember how to use it, docs are really useful

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Because they're docs, documentation. They describe in detail what classes, methods, functions do. For a beginner it's useless because beginner just gets scared of that wall of text saying something weird using weird words

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That's why doing is important in learning

steel light Feb 26, 2021, 1:29 PM

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thanks very much for the talk today, bye, my mom is breaking in

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Coding is fun

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Don't mind if I ask

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What are libraries

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 3:51 PM

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libraries have code that let you do stuff

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like pygame is a library? I think? And it lets you make games

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 3:52 PM

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playsound

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And stuff

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 3:52 PM

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yes

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pandas lets you do data visualization and stuff

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move around data

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Filter data

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Do you guys know how to free lance?

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I have been learning python for a while now

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 3:53 PM

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@vapid jay fiverr or upwork try both

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try making a profile on fiverr

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 3:53 PM

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what are the skills needed?

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 3:53 PM

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@hearty island thx for the help mate

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Well you know how to code

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You should be fine

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 3:53 PM

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proficient in python

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 3:54 PM

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yeah

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and whatever stuff the client asks you

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and if you don’t know it you can ask here

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doesn’t violate rule 5

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unless fiverr said you can’t google to figure out your problems

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 3:58 PM

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But

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...

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Nvm..

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Is data analyst like an advisor or a problem solver?

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:02 PM

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generally in a company they might have a lot of data lying around that they're not using, or there's some sort of business use case they need analysis on

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 4:02 PM

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in a sense , advisor but there is problem solving too

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 4:02 PM

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mint imp Is data analyst like an advisor or a problem solver?

Why not both? If you analyse data, you can advise someone to change something, to fix something

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:02 PM

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so your job is to go into the data and tell the stakeholders interesting insights or maybe provide them with recommendations based on their requirement

quartz aspen Feb 26, 2021, 4:03 PM

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You don't fix things, but you check what part may need fixing

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:03 PM

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@gray anvil it is an important job for the company

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:03 PM

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very

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:03 PM

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But why u need coding?

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U need commerce
..Like chartered accountancy knowledge

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:03 PM

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sometimes the data is in very poor quality, so you might have to clean it via coding

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 4:03 PM

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real world data isn't noice like you can get over something you control

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:04 PM

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exactly

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:04 PM

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@vapid jay yea

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:04 PM

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sometimes you also have technical responsibilities that require coding

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Oh..

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The youngest data scientists was of 12 years old

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:05 PM

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unless you're in a well established MNC, sometimes the roles have a lot of overlap

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you might need coding for th data cleaning but other times you're doing a lot of data engineering and implementaion

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Woah

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I didn't know there are things like these

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 4:06 PM

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I only know how to create games

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is that good enough?

gray anvil Feb 26, 2021, 4:06 PM

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hey, you're 14

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no hurry

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:06 PM

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@gray anvil short life ..

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:07 PM

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vapid jay is that good enough?

Good enough?! Excellent

dusky ferry Feb 26, 2021, 4:08 PM

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hearty island like pygame is a library? I think? And it lets you make games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfWpgLFMI7w&t=3832s

YouTube

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mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:08 PM

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@vapid jaywhixh type of games u know how to make

vapid jay Feb 26, 2021, 4:08 PM

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uhh wait

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Sure

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Can't be serious

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 4:23 PM

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@dusky ferry what are you pinging me for

sly hollow Feb 26, 2021, 5:20 PM

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gray anvil hey, you're 14

damn

mint imp Feb 26, 2021, 5:22 PM

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yayyhazmat

ocean ledge Feb 26, 2021, 7:32 PM

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what trash is going on here

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 7:33 PM

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@ocean ledge god knows I was gone for the night and then I see this

jolly plover Feb 26, 2021, 7:48 PM

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hi

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 7:49 PM

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hello

jolly plover Feb 26, 2021, 7:49 PM

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how is it going

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 7:53 PM

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eh

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 8:31 PM

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man i thought i'd apply to some positions today

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this just gave me anxiety

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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near ocean man i thought i'd apply to some positions today

you can do it dude i believe in you

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not that you care that i believe in you but if it helps it helps

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Applications that require "competency" tests like those silly logical puzzles piss me off

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 8:49 PM

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near ocean Applications that require "competency" tests like those silly logical puzzles pi...

you mean like leetcode?

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 8:49 PM

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No i mean those pseudo iq tests

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 8:49 PM

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like those stupid riddles/puzzles?

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Ye

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 8:49 PM

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i had to play a game for a verizon internship w matching shapes

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like what does that have to do w me coding??

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what do you guys think?

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 9:13 PM

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he's right, the fastest way to get a higher salary is to move between companies than get promoted

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:13 PM

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near ocean he's right, the fastest way to get a higher salary is to move between companies ...

ok bc my mom completely disagrees and my dad has been working w canon for years.... begging for payraises...

fossil ruin Feb 26, 2021, 9:15 PM

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near ocean he's right, the fastest way to get a higher salary is to move between companies ...

do you do this by saying X company is giving you A and forcing other companies to raise offers

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:16 PM

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people do that yes

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and it works

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 9:16 PM

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its only natural that if a company wants to poach X employee they not only need to pay better, but they need to pay enough for the trouble of moving positions

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:16 PM

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but you have to be careful

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:17 PM

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i heard if you get a high paying job you will get a lot of recruiters calling you offering

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:18 PM

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more experience you get, more recruiters will try to headhunt you to the point that it can become really annoying/frustrating according to some of my peers

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:18 PM

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i am waiting for those days

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but i have to put the work in now

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:19 PM

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hearty island ok bc my mom completely disagrees and my dad has been working w canon for years....

🤷 some people may not want to switch jobs because they like their company/place/collegues or because they fear to be judged

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:19 PM

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marsh wind 🤷 some people may not want to switch jobs because they like their company/place...

but he doesn't even have friends there anymore....

primal sandal Feb 26, 2021, 9:21 PM

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I have asked a question on the zinc help channel, can you please help me...

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:21 PM

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well. then Idk.
anyway, the guy is not wrong according to many sources. I am yet to confirm it myself cause it's been less than a year in the job

primal sandal Feb 26, 2021, 9:21 PM

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It isn't very long, and I need to go in some time, that's why it's a little urgent

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:21 PM

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so I cannot move on just yet

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:21 PM

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#help-corn

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:23 PM

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hopefully in 2022 I'll have those kind of 35-50% increase from job switch hehe

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:24 PM

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marsh wind hopefully in 2022 I'll have those kind of 35-50% increase from job switch hehe

what part of the cs industry is your job?

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swe? DS/ML?

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cybersecurity?

shadow moss Feb 26, 2021, 9:24 PM

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hearty island https://youtu.be/m1tLgewxmz4

Josh is mostly right in many things

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:24 PM

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shadow moss Josh is mostly right in many things

yes i really like him i think he's my fav tech youtuber

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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data science officially, in practice between DS/SWE and project manager/product owner

shadow moss Feb 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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hearty island ok bc my mom completely disagrees and my dad has been working w canon for years....

Don’t listen to boomers

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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shadow moss Don’t listen to boomers

what are boomers again? i've heard of them but i don't know the age range

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i've seen the memes

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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1995+ I think?

shadow moss Feb 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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57-75

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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ah

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ok

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what's retirement age again

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customary retirement age??

shadow moss Feb 26, 2021, 9:26 PM

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hearty island yes i really like him i think he's my fav tech youtuber

He’s wrong on some stuff and his toxicity can be bad

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:26 PM

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shadow moss He’s wrong on some stuff and his toxicity can be bad

i saw this vid of him criticizing SWE people for their a day in the life video and i cringed

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like dude they're just trying to get people into SWE if that's what it takes then let them do it

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although i wouldn't recommend getting into coding just for money and benefits

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bc that's a great way to lose motivation and start hating code

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:29 PM

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that kinda applies to everything tbh

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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marsh wind data science officially, in practice between DS/SWE and project manager/product ...

@hearty island oh and also a bit of testing 😂

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:32 PM

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marsh wind <@!567030124306759710> oh and also a bit of testing 😂

good stuff

marsh wind Feb 26, 2021, 9:33 PM

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I'd rather that we have a dedicated Q&A for those but 🤷

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 9:36 PM

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josh fluke is youtube's favourite family drama channel

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:37 PM

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near ocean josh fluke is youtube's favourite family drama channel

family drama??? i thought he was tech...

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i saw the stuff he said about his family tho

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and his girlfriend

near ocean Feb 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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not with the way he's spamming shit about his family

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 9:38 PM

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oh yeah what's up w that

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is he trying to get clout?

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~~he could talk to a therapist but he does youtube videos about it instead~~

sterile vault Feb 26, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Therapist takes money, youtube gives money.
Easy decision.

hearty island Feb 26, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Yeah but like

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Do you really wanna show the entire world your dirty laundry?

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I would want to keep my private life away from my YouTube career but that’s just me

modest karma Feb 27, 2021, 12:09 AM

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If I want to start applying for internships, how do you incorporate programming skills into your resume, is it something separate?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 12:16 AM

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modest karma If I want to start applying for internships, how do you incorporate programming ...

you can first say the languages you're proficient at

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and then the personal projects that you created

jolly furnace Feb 27, 2021, 12:19 AM

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you can have a section in ur resume where u list the languages u know

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or just technologies u know

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 1:19 AM

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what he said

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 1:19 AM

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jolly furnace you can have a section in ur resume where u list the languages u know

do you think a SWE person would care if i made a game for a project

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like an interviewer?

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isn't SWE just building stuff??

jolly furnace Feb 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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i would think they would be intrested

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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ok good

jolly furnace Feb 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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like they might ask u details

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and how it works

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and such

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 1:20 AM

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that's good

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:33 AM

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My job hunt isn't going very well (CS undergrad senior), but so far I've only applied to DS/ML/AI positions because that's what I took courses for at any given opportunity (I took every relevant course that's available to undergrads). I'm wondering if that's not enough and if I should plan to break back into that realm after some amount of time doing some other kind of development.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:35 AM

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@peak halo idk but pastafish said that data science is very competitive rn and that it’s better to be SWE for now and then transition to DS

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take that as you will

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Tbh ALL fields in CS are very crowded bc it’s like a gold mine

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:37 AM

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🤷🏻‍♂️

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:38 AM

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also please take my advice w a grain of salt bc I’m only a soph in college

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@peak halo so have you done paid internships w DS/ML?

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:39 AM

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hearty island <@253696366952316929> so have you done paid internships w DS/ML?

No, I did this program in three years so last summer would have been the only one where I was viable for an internship, and I did formal research (in a data science-related field) instead because I won a grant.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:41 AM

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@peak halo ok research is great to add to your resume. I would start doing projects in other fields anyways just so you have a backup and start applying to different sections of CS

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I’m not saying that DS/ML will work out for you but it’s always good to have another option

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:42 AM

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hearty island <@253696366952316929> ok research is great to add to your resume. I would start ...

I don't have time to undertake any other projects.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:42 AM

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@peak halo ok what companies are you applying to? Big ones? Small ones?

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:43 AM

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Mostly federal contractors because I'm in DC.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:43 AM

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you’re not ok w moving right? You’d rather not move?

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 2:45 AM

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the types of jobs available, and the depth of the talent pool, vary wildly from market to market.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:46 AM

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maybe the people in DC really know their stuff

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:47 AM

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hearty island you’re not ok w moving right? You’d rather not move?

I don't expect that I would get a job offer somewhere else good enough that I would consider leaving DC.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:47 AM

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@peak halo you never know tbh I’d try it

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But that’s just me

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Ummmm stupid question but is your resume ATS friendly?

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:48 AM

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ATS?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS) are software programs that scan resume content and use an algorithm to search for keywords. The keywords look for certain skills, education, prior work experience and even former employers. The ATS filter which resumes will go on to the next round of the hiring proce

dry sapphire Feb 27, 2021, 2:48 AM

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peak halo ATS?

the automated system many companies use to check for keywords in resumes

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:48 AM

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what gm said

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:49 AM

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dry sapphire the automated system many companies use to check for keywords in resumes

I spam a bunch of library names at the end

dry sapphire Feb 27, 2021, 2:49 AM

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peak halo I spam a bunch of library names at the end

🥴

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it's a bit more complex than that

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:49 AM

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yeah but the way the resume is organized can confuse ATS

dry sapphire Feb 27, 2021, 2:49 AM

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^

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:50 AM

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like I’ve seen resumes that have two different columns

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I wouldn’t do that if I were you

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speaking from experience here

timber tide Feb 27, 2021, 2:50 AM

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I've been pretty lucky that my resume is formatted in such a way it's easy for automated systems to grab information from them.
I wish there was a better way to annotate that though, a formal, specified way.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:50 AM

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There actually is a website that can test your resume to see if it’s ATS friendly

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I forgot the name

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there are multiple websites actually

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@peak halo https://www.jobscan.co/

Jobscan

Optimize Your Resume and Boost Interview Chances - Jobscan

Jobscan is built from algorithms used in top Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS). Optimize your resume keywords and get more interviews.

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maybe try this

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:54 AM

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hearty island <@253696366952316929> https://www.jobscan.co/

thanks!

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:54 AM

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@peak halo any time dude

sterile vault Feb 27, 2021, 2:54 AM

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Not gonna lie, having to SEO your resume is dystopia-tier bullshit

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:55 AM

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it really is but if you don’t you get auto rejected in 5 minutes

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also speaking from experience

sterile vault Feb 27, 2021, 2:55 AM

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I've heard of people who put a bunch of keywords in invisible font just to screw with programs

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:55 AM

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what that’s smart

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:55 AM

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does that work?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Unless it’s coded to ignore that

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:55 AM

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I am willing to stoop to that level

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:55 AM

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you and me both

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 2:56 AM

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that was a common technique to fool spam filters 15 years ago.

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:56 AM

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yeah but I'm a mod--I'm supposed to be lawful evil

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:56 AM

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evil??? Mod???? What???

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 2:56 AM

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I thought mods are chaotic good

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 2:56 AM

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fix error is, I guess

sterile vault Feb 27, 2021, 2:56 AM

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No idea, but the worst that could happen is that you'll get rejected after HR would fail to find GOOGLE SENIOR DATA SCIENCE AGILE SCRUM DEV GO PHP PYTHON in your resume.

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I think HR's don't have a global applicant blacklist with "applicant scores". ...Yet

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 2:59 AM

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What does global applicant blacklist mean

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Like if you get low scores you can’t get in?

sterile vault Feb 27, 2021, 3:03 AM

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There's a rumour that there are Telegram conferences where HRs share applicant databases.
Failed whiteboarding? Black mark, why interview you if you already failed?
Bad breakup with previous company? Black mark, you're toxic.
Went to interview in bad clothes and stuttered? Black mark, bad soft skills.
Similar how 1 1-star review can sink a business.
But luckily, HRs don't trust each other enough to pull it off, and try to snag good candidates for themselves, leaving bad ones for the rest.
Or so I heard.

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And credit score system in USA already seems dystopian to ousiders like me.

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:29 AM

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Is it possible to start a company with just male employees?? Will the company face backlash??

true harness Feb 27, 2021, 3:30 AM

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you're probably starting with like 4 people right?

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:30 AM

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10

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Including myself

true harness Feb 27, 2021, 3:30 AM

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and it'd only really matter if you're deliberately not hiring women

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Ok

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I failed in my interview process so now thinking about start-ups

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 3:38 AM

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yeah if you’re not excluding women it’s ok

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 3:39 AM

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diversity is good for a company, though. Companies that start off with just a handful of dudes who keep hiring people like them often wind up terrible and bro-y.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 3:42 AM

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like a fraternity

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also

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Has anyone ever heard of a fraternity getting people jobs? Like connections?

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I don’t really like them

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Don't worry my startup company won't show any improvement (I think) and people around are clueless

sterile vault Feb 27, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Well, you just don't hire these two girls who graduated with these 200 guys, it's that simple.
/sarcasm

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:47 AM

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But if you change the gender 2 boys or women's only company for 200 girls it's called empowerment

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@sterile vault

magic field Feb 27, 2021, 3:48 AM

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I am trying to make a volume slider that returns to the same volume when i mute and unmute it. Need help

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 3:48 AM

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what do you suppose that has to do with careers?

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:48 AM

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@magic field this is career page

magic field Feb 27, 2021, 3:48 AM

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sorry

sterile vault Feb 27, 2021, 3:51 AM

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I wonder if asking a girlfriend to be a "face" and talk with customers and employers (while writing the code myself) could be a profitable idea.

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:51 AM

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@summer roost I have a doubt because it happens to us in my country now they are giving special allowances for companies started by female there is a huge rise in female only tech companies is it legal in any laws in another country for specific gender companies (tech companies)?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 3:52 AM

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@jaunty mist You are gonna pay the employees right? What’s your burn rate?

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your burn rate is how much money you “burn” per day

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 3:53 AM

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I only really know the US perspective. Generally, you can't choose who to hire based on sex or race or sexual orientation or a handful of other criteria. But discrimination can still happen, because it's pretty hard to prove why you didn't hire someone. That said, if you've got 5000 employees and none are women, it starts to become pretty obvious that that's deliberate discrimination.

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 3:54 AM

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@hearty island 50k per month in inr only 5 employee excluding other other inverters other than myself

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 3:55 AM

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as far as subsidizing women-owned or minority-owned companies, I haven't heard of anything like that at the federal level in the US, but I'm sure there are state or local governments that do it.

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 4:00 AM

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@summer roost ty for the information

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:09 AM

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@jaunty mist you’re in India right?

jaunty mist Feb 27, 2021, 4:16 AM

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@hearty island yes

visual crescent Feb 27, 2021, 7:57 AM

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Been developing for a while and am pretty decent at it. Keen to do some projects that would look good as a portfolio piece. What are your guys recommendations for the kind of projects I should do? Also how I should actually present them

vapid jay Feb 27, 2021, 8:05 AM

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hi

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 9:26 AM

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@visual crescent contributing to open-source would be a good idea: https://www.firsttimersonly.com/

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your github profile should look like this:

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 12:59 PM

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hey guys

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wondering. how often your emoloyers buy IDE licenses, ie PyCharm/JetBrains pack?

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and how often they say "use free ones or just buy yourswf"

limber rampart Feb 27, 2021, 1:03 PM

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probably heavily depends on the company

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we usually just buy them ourselves then charge it as an expense & the money goes into the next paycheck

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 1:10 PM

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hm idk if it exist here

limber rampart Feb 27, 2021, 1:13 PM

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you can ask your manager

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 1:20 PM

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well... yeah, I tried to bring up the question and got pretty much nothing 🙂

crude crown Feb 27, 2021, 1:41 PM

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near ocean he's right, the fastest way to get a higher salary is to move between companies ...

At this point I think everyone know this for years now. Absolutely nothing new.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 3:56 PM

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crude crown At this point I think everyone know this for years now. Absolutely nothing new.

idk dude my parents said to stick w the same job and ask for a pay raise

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then again my dad has been working for the same company ever since i've been in elementary school

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and my mom doesn't work anymore

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Hey if i learn python, should i learn some seperate course for robotics?

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dead chat

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:03 PM

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reef lintel Hey if i learn python, should i learn some seperate course for robotics?

i mean do you want to do robotics?

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:04 PM

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yes

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@hearty island

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:04 PM

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ok then i would do arduino

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:04 PM

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ok

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:04 PM

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yep

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:04 PM

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no wait

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https://youtu.be/_uQrJ0TkZlc

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will this course be enough or should i further push the limits?

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@hearty island

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:06 PM

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reef lintel https://youtu.be/_uQrJ0TkZlc

no i would recommend !resources

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!resources

inner wrenBOT Feb 27, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Resources

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hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:06 PM

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this is completely free for you to learn

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:06 PM

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ok one sec please

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:06 PM

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np

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:07 PM

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there is no robitics page

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@hearty island

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:08 PM

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reef lintel <@!567030124306759710>

yeah, bc it's for beginners....

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:08 PM

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ok

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:08 PM

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i have an idea

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google python programming for arduino

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:08 PM

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soo, imma watch the full video

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and yes

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:08 PM

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there is a whole book for coding w arduino

reef lintel Feb 27, 2021, 4:09 PM

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hearty island google python programming for arduino

is it ifficially from google?

orchid sand Feb 27, 2021, 4:21 PM

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рше

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!идфслофсл 1000

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рше

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hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:23 PM

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orchid sand ----!идфслофсл 1000

keep it in english please

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you guys don't think a college student can work for a coding bootcamp right? without actual job experience?

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i actually don't have any job experience relevant to what they would want....

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i mean i can lie.......

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but that would be unethical??

noble oriole Feb 27, 2021, 4:40 PM

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No, dude don’t lie. Don’t ever ever lie in in technical roles.

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Trust me, that turd will float above the water quickly.

uneven karma Feb 27, 2021, 4:41 PM

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hello

noble oriole Feb 27, 2021, 4:42 PM

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I’m in a similar position. I’m an electrical engineer trying to get into cloud computing and I have zero experience.

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Take some certifications and build a portafolio that you can show as experience.

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Or just tell them that you have zero experience but willing to work for minimum wage just to get learn the craft. That’s what I would do

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That’s what I would do. Unfortunately I’m too old to take jobs below 100k yearly lol

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:44 PM

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i already have a portfolio

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of projects

uneven karma Feb 27, 2021, 4:44 PM

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how are you?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 4:46 PM

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alive

noble oriole Feb 27, 2021, 4:47 PM

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@uneven karma you sound weird. What’s up with you.

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 5:55 PM

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career discussion

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i need career ideas lololoolololol

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 5:56 PM

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static quest career discussion

uhhh SWE, DS/ML, web dev, cybersecurity, networking, IT. take your pick

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 5:58 PM

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what is swe

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 5:59 PM

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software engineering

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 5:59 PM

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oh lol

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hmm

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prob swe

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 5:59 PM

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noble oriole No, dude don’t lie. Don’t ever ever lie in in technical roles.

Lying in an interview is a sure way to not get hired. Interviewers would much rather you admit you don't know something, and possibly follow that up with an educated guess, than that you pretend to know something you don't.

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 5:59 PM

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just realised u have zuko as your pfp

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 5:59 PM

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summer roost Lying in an interview is a sure way to not get hired. Interviewers would much ra...

i totally knew that

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:00 PM

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static quest just realised u have zuko as your pfp

lmao yeah i love zuko

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:00 PM

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yes

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iroh goat

vapid jay Feb 27, 2021, 6:00 PM

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That's rough buddy.

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:00 PM

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lmao

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my first gf turned into the moon

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 6:01 PM

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If you're willing to lie to get the job, they'd assume you're willing to lie once you have the job, and pretending to know things you don't and refusing to admit when you need help are terrible qualities in employees.

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:01 PM

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damn

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fanks

spark heart Feb 27, 2021, 6:01 PM

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hey i’m 15 years old, is there any websites i could try to get like small projects to get payed a little? I’m pretty young but i feel like i’m experience enough to start coding as a job

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i just don’t know where to start lol

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:02 PM

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wait since everyone here is rlly smart

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i have smth that my friend sent me

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and it crashes discord if i watch it

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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summer roost If you're willing to lie to get the job, they'd assume you're willing to lie onc...

idk joshua fluke said to lie on your resume..... i'm not actually gonna do it

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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does anyone know why?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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wrong channel

vapid jay Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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static quest wait since everyone here is rlly smart

Bold of you to assume that

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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ok

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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spark heart hey i’m 15 years old, is there any websites i could try to get like small projec...

Fiverr perhaps, or Upwork

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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lol

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so can i send the attachement or not

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attachment*

vapid jay Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Dm me i wanna crash

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:03 PM

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ok

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 6:04 PM

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static quest so can i send the attachement or not

No. This is an in-topic channel, and that attachment is not related to the topic.

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 6:05 PM

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hearty island idk joshua fluke said to lie on your resume..... i'm not actually gonna do it

You shouldn't lie on a resume. You should manipulate the facts to paint yourself in the best possible light. Not lying, but choosing what angle to view the truth from to be maximally flattering

vapid jay Feb 27, 2021, 6:06 PM

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That just seems like lying with extra steps

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:06 PM

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lmao

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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It's not lying if you don't say anything that isn't true

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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so basically twist the truth

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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that's manipulating the truth which is lying but ok

static quest Feb 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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hearty island that's manipulating the truth which is lying but ok

what he said

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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i'm just gonna say i used python

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which i did

vapid jay Feb 27, 2021, 6:08 PM

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I have 5+ years of experience with python 😎 , What do you mean printing hello world every day doesnt count!?!?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:08 PM

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but i'm gonna exaggerate what i did using python

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Not really manipulating the truth or exaggerating, either. Think of it like profile pictures for a dating site. Putting in pictures of someone else, or yourself from 10 years ago, is probably gonna backfire. Taking the picture in the best possible lighting, with the most interesting background, and maybe your dog on your lap, though..

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Resumes aren't for telling the whole truth, they're advertising for a potential employee, so your goal is to make the best advertisement possible for yourself without being deceptive.

mint imp Feb 27, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Hmmm

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:15 PM

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ok i'm still gonna do what i intended

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as long as i can back it up i'm fine

jovial zinc Feb 27, 2021, 6:17 PM

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hey, i am a computer engineering student and am learning python and django. i just started my journey with django so if you have any knowledge and roadmaps that would be helpful

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 6:26 PM

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i think there's django guides

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and books

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i would do some googling

near ocean Feb 27, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Django docs are very popular

jovial zinc Feb 27, 2021, 6:29 PM

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yes, i have completed some projects too and the documentation is very well written

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but i feel demotivated at times

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and feel the need of mentoring or programming buddy

slim oak Feb 27, 2021, 6:37 PM

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i normally keep an eye on humble bundle, they normally have programming books for cheap at times

brisk hinge Feb 27, 2021, 6:41 PM

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What books would one recommend? I am currently going through black hat python

inner wrenBOT Feb 27, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

brisk hinge Feb 27, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Ahh cheers @chrome hamlet, new to the channel so yet to fully explore the depths😅

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 7:04 PM

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brisk hinge What books would one recommend? I am currently going through black hat python

uhhh don't mention ~~black hat python~~ here it's against Discord TOS and this server's rules

brisk hinge Feb 27, 2021, 7:05 PM

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Ah ok noted

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 7:30 PM

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is it? ethical hacking and pentesting is still a thing

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Not according to Joe

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so take that up w him

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and you can see my convo w him in #community-meta

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 7:31 PM

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k

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I agree w this

near ocean Feb 27, 2021, 7:41 PM

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What kind of work

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Thats not any more specific

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What are you interested in working on

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Websites?

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full stack stuff?

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SWE is an umbrella term

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Open source stuff? APIs?

near ocean Feb 27, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Learn to build stuff i guess

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Like deploy actual webapps

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What technologies are you familiar with

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Internships are the absolute best option, if you're still in school.

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They give you a chance to work on real applications, and figure out what parts of that you do and don't like, while you still have time to change the areas you're choosing to focus on in classes

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:13 PM

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@outer furnace https://www.firsttimersonly.com/ contribute to open-source

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nothing crazy, but you can expect some tasks, like fix a performance issue:

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:20 PM

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OSS contributions are great for teaching you how big projects are organized, and how to describe your changes well and explain them to others, but they're not great for teaching you how to work on a team, or how to follow directions, and they often don't provide you very much support in terms of leveling up your skills and trying more challenging things.

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OSS contributions are definitely valuable, but internships are on a whole different level.

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:22 PM

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@summer roost don't know about that, I'm self-taught

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:23 PM

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PAID internships are good

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:23 PM

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I went to a university with a co-op program - 3 mandatory 6-month internships as part of getting the degree. Beyond any doubt, the co-ops were more useful than anything else that I did in college.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:23 PM

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don’t do unpaid internships

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Please the more you do unpaid internships the more companies think it’s ok to do that to students

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:23 PM

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In software, unpaid internships are practically non-existent. But yeah, I agree.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:23 PM

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if you do unpaid internships you ain’t an unpaid intern

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You’re a volunteer

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good projects > unpaid internships

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100%

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:25 PM

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my 3 internships ranged from $12 USD per hour to $20 USD per hour, around 15 years ago. Software salaries, even for internships, are generally quite good.

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and one of the companies I interned with offered me a job right after college, as well - so they're also a good way to get your foot in the door with real companies.

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:27 PM

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these days it's hard to get an internship, in my country at least, thanks to the pandemic: we work from home and most of the seniors don't have time to deal with interns

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:30 PM

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I know my company is still hiring interns, but yeah - the pandemic definitely makes things much harder. It's harder to get as much face times with your interns, harder to onboard them, makes unstructured chatting much rarer, etc...

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:30 PM

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but

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thanks to the pandemic, more projects on github looking for first timers

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so 🙂

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there you go

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:32 PM

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hearty island good projects > unpaid internships

I'm not sure I'd agree with this. If you accept that you're going to be doing unpaid work one way or the other, then it's a question of whether you get more value from the unpaid OSS work than you get from the unpaid industry work. And I think that depends a lot on the specific project vs the specific job. An hypothetical unpaid internship at NASA would probably be more valuable to you, career-wise, than OSS work on a brainfuck interpreter, or something.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:32 PM

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what’s OSS?

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:32 PM

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open source software

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:32 PM

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oh ok I thought so

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Anyone can work on oss right?

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:33 PM

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@summer roost but it's easier to get started with oss, then getting into nasa 😄

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 8:33 PM

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that's what oss means ~:)

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:33 PM

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I just don’t know what to contribute to those

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I just stare at them and I’m like uhhhhh ok???

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:33 PM

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@hearty island https://www.firsttimersonly.com/

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:33 PM

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marsh wind that's what oss means ~:)

I almost said the same thing - but that's not quite true. There are some relatively large projects where the source is open but they do not accept contributions.

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 8:34 PM

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hm

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as I come to think about it, your are actually right

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I saw those too

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:35 PM

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@uncut grotto hey thanks this is actually helpful

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:35 PM

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but it's definitely true that the vast majority of open source projects will accept contributions from anyone, as long as the quality is high.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:36 PM

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um

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Can I ask for help to fix their oss here???

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not in this channel but in this server

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Or does that violate rule 5

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:36 PM

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seems like an acceptable use of a help channel to me, as long as the project itself is one that would be OK to discuss on this server (so, not youtube-dl, etc)

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Is YouTube-dl YouTube download?

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:37 PM

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yep.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:37 PM

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that sounds like it’s against TOS

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 8:37 PM

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it's mostly is (very grey at least)

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:37 PM

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exactly. that's a tool whose main purpose involves breaching youtube's ToS, so we don't allow discussing it here.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:38 PM

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that makes sense

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:38 PM

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so if your question was about how to contribute some fix to the yt-dl project, we'd shut that down for rule 5

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but if it's how to contribute to some other innocuous project, that seems totally fine.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:38 PM

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I know a server where you can talk about the black hat python book

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Like extensively

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one of the mods showed it to me

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I mean I’m gonna need to know it if I wanna do pen testing sooo

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I’m possibly considering it as one of my options

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career-wise

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:41 PM

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@hearty island if you wanna be sane, don't 🙂

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it's not a 8 hour work

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 8:42 PM

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also, afaik pen testing/ethical hacking and etc goes far beyond python (more like python would be just a tool and you'll need deep knowledge in many differnt areas)

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Python is a good intro

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@uncut grotto I mean… is SWE? Is anything? Your boss is gonna call you when you’re having dinner w your kids and be like hey sorry this project needs to be finished by tomorrow

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:43 PM

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@hearty island I mean, if you wanna work 8 hours, then go home and learn an another 8 hours, pentesting and it security is for you

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:44 PM

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@uncut grotto we’ll see I guess

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 8:45 PM

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hearty island <@!143475230445273088> I mean… is SWE? Is anything? Your boss is gonna call you ...

Naah. In normal company boss maybe not.... But when it's clients, that's worse

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😂

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:45 PM

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it's a 24/7 job

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:46 PM

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@uncut grotto you speaking from experience?

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:46 PM

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my brother were doing it for a year, burned out, now he's working at the same company as me

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8 hour work days, and weekend is free

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Oh

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I’m just trying to keep my options open so I can get internships in any field

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show that I’m multifaceted or what not

uncut grotto Feb 27, 2021, 8:50 PM

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you don't get a better job at IT field, other than software engineer

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:51 PM

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SWE is IT???

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really?

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:52 PM

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hearty island <@!143475230445273088> I mean… is SWE? Is anything? Your boss is gonna call you ...

that depends wildly on the company. There are sectors that are known for that - like game development - and there are industries where that doesn't happen at all - like internal backend development for a bank, or something.

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 8:57 PM

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If an application asks me "I require a minimum pay of ...", what does the number I put down ultimately communicate? Do I need to figure out what they're actually paying people for that position and put that down?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 8:58 PM

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@peak halo oh god it’s asking for a minimum pay? They’re gonna lowball you or say that sorry you’re too high for us

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I would look on Glassdoor

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 8:59 PM

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summer roost that depends wildly on the company. There are sectors that are known for that - ...

generally, the places where you may wind up needing to work extra hours leading up to a release are places where the company has external stakeholders waiting on a release, and where it will hurt the company if that release doesn't happen on schedule. That's very true for video games, and not very true at all for groups that support internal tools at a company.

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 8:59 PM

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I want them to pay me three million a year and I want to work one hour per year, but let's skip all that and just have them tell me if they'll even consider me for the position and we'll go from there.

lapis wind Feb 27, 2021, 8:59 PM

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isnt glassdoor known to be massively in-accurate in the tech field for pay rates?

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:00 PM

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@peak halo what I would do is go to the Glassdoor pay ranges and go 30k higher than that bc they’ll negotiate it down during the interview

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that is the Joshua fluke way

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 9:00 PM

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lapis wind isnt glassdoor known to be massively in-accurate in the tech field for pay rates...

It's been pretty accurate in my personal experience, but I only have anecdata on that.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:00 PM

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anecdotal???

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is that what anecdata is?

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 9:00 PM

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anecdata can be a word if you want it to be

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:01 PM

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I have been staring at that word for the past 2 minutes

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Oh it is a word

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 9:01 PM

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anecdata is a portmanteau of "anecdotal data"

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Jesus I need to read more

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not just doc

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just read more in general

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Stelercus whatever you do

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Don’t randomly message people on LinkedIn who work for the company and ask how much they get paid

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my friend did that and he got banned from applying to JP Morgan

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I didn’t know you could get banned from applying to a company

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 9:05 PM

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hearty island Oh it is a word

the concept of something being a "word" is a human construct. Any utterance can be a word if people are willing to get on board with what it means.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:06 PM

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@peak halo so if I just started typing random characters and said it was a word does it become a word?

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 9:06 PM

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hearty island <@253696366952316929> so if I just started typing random characters and said it ...

I said if people are willing to get on board with what it means. Not a single person.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:06 PM

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@peak halo time to start adding spam to the dictionary then

kind hinge Feb 27, 2021, 9:06 PM

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hearty island <@253696366952316929> so if I just started typing random characters and said it ...

if we accept it as such and use it in our conversations...

peak halo Feb 27, 2021, 9:06 PM

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It also helps if the words you come up with aren't arbitrary in the context of the language in which you intend to use them

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you shouldn't decide that "fooble" means what "anecdata" means because people can intuit what "anecdata" is based on their existing vocabulary

true harness Feb 27, 2021, 9:07 PM

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pydis_off_topeek

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:08 PM

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“Choks” means sadness

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join the party people

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 9:08 PM

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hearty island <@253696366952316929> what I would do is go to the Glassdoor pay ranges and go 3...

+30k? maybe if you are in senior range lol

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but likely not when applying for first jobs 🙂

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:08 PM

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@marsh wind but they’ll negotiate you down anyways

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 9:08 PM

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peak halo I said if *people* are willing to get on board with what it means. Not a single ...

f is a meme, at this point. Anything can be anything as long as people agree on what it means.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:09 PM

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did you mean: F?

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 9:09 PM

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sure.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:09 PM

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it’s from press F to pay respects

summer roost Feb 27, 2021, 9:09 PM

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yes, I know what it's from.

true harness Feb 27, 2021, 9:09 PM

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and yet you didn't have to press shift + f...curious

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I’m on my phone there is no shift

kind hinge Feb 27, 2021, 9:10 PM

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hearty island it’s from press F to pay respects

example of something random getting meaning that we all agreed on...

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 9:10 PM

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hearty island <@320885670459736064> but they’ll negotiate you down anyways

🤷 I think it's situaltional. At least for sure it won't work in France

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Stelercus what does your college counselor say

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oh wait he doesn’t have one anymore

marsh wind Feb 27, 2021, 9:12 PM

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peak halo If an application asks me "I require a minimum pay of ...", what does the number...

I think glassdoor/linkedin salary insights for this company and similar positions would be good start point

dry quiver Feb 27, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Hello everyone..

I'm worried, from last 10 days, about my future because I didn't try coding even didn't write a single line of Code because of my college work and curriculum I'm totally stuck in it since my college started.

Any help'd be appreciated..

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:20 PM

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@dry quiver !resources

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!resources

inner wrenBOT Feb 27, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

hearty island Feb 27, 2021, 9:20 PM

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try this first just read automate the boring stuff

dry quiver Feb 27, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Ohhhk I'll try to look on that

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Thanks 😊

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:26 AM

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hey quick question

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what falls under SWE?

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do games count as SWE?

true harness Feb 28, 2021, 12:31 AM

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you can probably fit anything where you're programming as software engineering

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:32 AM

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what about projects

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so basically everything is SWE

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cool

true harness Feb 28, 2021, 12:33 AM

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it's extremely broad, maybe a bit less vague than "coding"

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:33 AM

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Question about DevOps in cloud computing

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Does anybody work in that area?

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:40 AM

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what even is devops

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 12:42 AM

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hearty island what even is devops

When the developer of something is also the one who manages it in a deployment setting.

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:42 AM

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peak halo When the developer of something is also the one who manages it in a deployment s...

ok....example?

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i have only seen dev ops like once or twice

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i still don't know what it actually is

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 12:43 AM

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The Python bot is a devops project because it's mostly maintained by staff members, who are the ones using it

exotic lance Feb 28, 2021, 12:44 AM

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thats the wikipedia definition```Other than it being a cross-functional combination of the terms and concepts for "development" and "operations," academics and practitioners have not developed a unique definition for the term "DevOps".

From an academic perspective, Len Bass, Ingo Weber, and Liming Zhu—three computer science researchers from the CSIRO and the Software Engineering Institute—suggested defining DevOps as "a set of practices intended to reduce the time between committing a change to a system and the change being placed into normal production, while ensuring high quality".[6]

The term DevOps, however, has been used in multiple contexts.```

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:44 AM

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so i could technically do dev ops too?

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so if i make something and use it that means i'm dev ops??

exotic lance Feb 28, 2021, 12:45 AM

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but basically devops usually refers to practices tools etc meant to aid the continuous staging updating etc.

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:45 AM

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^

exotic lance Feb 28, 2021, 12:46 AM

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ie ci/cd is one such devops tool

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:46 AM

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For example, @inner wren actually automatically updates when commits are made to the github

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Because the github has workflows and checks to ensure that commits can't be merged that will crash the bot

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~~@ mods reaction spam~~

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:47 AM

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~~the only way to become a mod is to contribute to the bot~~

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i think someone said that

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:48 AM

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Anyways, i aspire to know how to make those checks and such. Because really, that would be so cool to update automatically

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 12:48 AM

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subtle heart Anyways, i aspire to know how to make those checks and such. Because really, tha...

I believe it just runs the unit tests.

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:48 AM

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UHHHH WHY IS STELERCUS PUTTING REACTIONS TO WHAT I SAID

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what does incident_unactioned mean?

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am i not supposed to talk about the secrets of being a mod?

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 12:49 AM

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hearty island what does incident_unactioned mean?

Basically to mean "no" in this context

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:49 AM

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oh ok i thought it meant wrong

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like incorrect

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 12:49 AM

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The process for how one becomes a mod isn't a secret. You because a helper and then helpers can apply to become a mod

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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but you get picked to be a helper

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mysteriously

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some shadowy figure just tells you that you're a helper now

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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@ moderators you got someone here sharing all secrets and derailing the channel topic smh

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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I suppose. Anyway we've gone into off topic territory.

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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sorry my fault

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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we can bring it back on topic

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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peak halo I suppose. Anyway we've gone into off topic territory.

Ah, that was a fast af reply mod

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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does being a mod help your career

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:50 AM

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is there somewhere i can share my resume here?

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~~some mods have it on their linkedin~~

exotic lance Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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rule x of discord: if you're asking for something, you will not get it and it will lower your chances of getting it in the future

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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I haven't gotten an offer yet so no

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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F

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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don't worry stelercus we appreciate you

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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exotic lance rule x of discord: if you're asking for something, you will not get it and it wi...

Rule y of discord. Getting it does not mean you keep it 😭

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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we just can't pay you

exotic lance Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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subtle heart Rule y of discord. Getting it does not mean you keep it 😭

rip

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anyways this is offtopic af

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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i guess discord is an ~~unpaid internship~~

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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.topic

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:52 AM

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can't do that here

subtle heart Feb 28, 2021, 12:52 AM

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peak halo I believe it just runs the unit tests.

Wats thay

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:52 AM

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So, I have been working on my AWS certifications and I’m mainly focusing on getting my specializations in machine learning and advanced networking.

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:52 AM

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you put stuff in your code to see if it equals the output you expect

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and if it does it works

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:53 AM

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well, some certs are cool, maybe

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:53 AM

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that is my limited understanding of it

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:53 AM

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I was told to also pursue the architect and devops certs

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:53 AM

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not sure-- but the aws ml cert will literally do nothing for you

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:53 AM

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not all certs are created equally

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:53 AM

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ocean ledge not sure-- but the aws ml cert will literally do nothing for you

Why do you think that?

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:54 AM

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the ML cert is literally "do you know how to use sagemaker, or any of the dozen ML services we provide"

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:54 AM

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Going back to my question , do I need to learn any SQL at all? Is that something out of my scope based on what I’m looking for?

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:54 AM

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which for any job requiring actual ML, you can learn that stuff in a week

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so the cert is a waste of time

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:55 AM

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ocean ledge the ML cert is literally "do you know how to use sagemaker, or any of the dozen ...

Yes, the certs are just a part of everything. I have a master’s in computer engineering

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:55 AM

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however, devops might like the associate/devops certs since they're more directly about cloud infra

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:55 AM

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My focused was machine learning

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I thought about the certs because having the practical and technical part is very important.

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Nobody wants to hire an engineer by book

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:56 AM

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not entirely sure what you mean by "the book"

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 12:56 AM

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ocean ledge which for any job requiring actual ML, you can learn that stuff in a week

Well, anyone can copy paste projects and algorithms for sure but there is more to that

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Thanks for the opinion

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 12:58 AM

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certs are basically only useful for helpdesk and basic IT positions (oh, and infosys, but pretty much only so they know you understand basic networking)

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they're little to no signal for engineering

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focus on a project portfolio instead

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 12:59 AM

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~~do open source ML stuff~~

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if you can't think of your own projects

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:00 AM

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Yeah, that’s what I’ve been working on lately. Doing projects and building a good portfolio

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:00 AM

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contribute to an open source ML library-- that's more akin to what you'll actually do

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or write blog posts on it

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:01 AM

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That sounds good. I’ll have to know my way around GitHub. How do you usually find open source projects in GitHub?

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:01 AM

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e.g. write a blog post on how to implement a subset of JAX from scratch

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:01 AM

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noble oriole That sounds good. I’ll have to know my way around GitHub. How do you usually fin...

https://www.firsttimersonly.com/

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this might be helpful

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you can learn github in half an hour basically

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Thanks!

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I’ll check it out

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:03 AM

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noble oriole I’ll check it out

https://youtu.be/_0rHU6qAQe0

YouTube

Ken Jee

git for Data Science Made Simple... (Hopefully)

In this video I give a high level overview of git and github for data science. I talk about what git is, why it's important, and I also go through the general workflow of a data science project using git.

At the most basic level, git is a version control system. It also allows us to work on things simultaneously with our teammates without mess...

▶ Play video

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here you go

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:03 AM

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noble oriole Going back to my question , do I need to learn any SQL at all? Is that something...

are you going for datasci? strictly speaking, SQL is foundational, but depending on what you're doing you often don't need to deal with SQL directly...

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i mean, if you used pandas, you've used SQL's idioms

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:04 AM

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SQL is important

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:04 AM

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No, I’m really trying to avoid data science. I want to do software development and train the models with the data already mined and processed

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:04 AM

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ocean ledge are you going for datasci? strictly speaking, SQL is foundational, but depending...

what about mysql??

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:04 AM

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though i have literally never written a direct SQL query

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aside from random interview questions

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:05 AM

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ocean ledge though i have literally never written a direct SQL query

You do software engineering?

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:05 AM

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ml engineering

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:06 AM

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Awesome! That answers my question, thanks!

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:06 AM

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there's this woman tina feng who learned SQL for FAANG in a month??

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:06 AM

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I don’t want to do any SQL at all

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:06 AM

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understandable

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:06 AM

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though i do put the preface that if you're not in a datasci role and do mostly engineering

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:07 AM

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hearty island there's this woman tina feng who learned SQL for FAANG in a month??

Yeah, SQL is not that hard. Unless you get into data warehouses and more specialized stuff

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:07 AM

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then your "training models with already cleaned data" part is literally 99.9% data validation

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you're still doing shit work

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arguably even shittier work

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:08 AM

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isn't data science mostly just cleaning data??

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:08 AM

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Oh shoot, yeah data validation can be not so fun.

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:08 AM

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it sounds boring

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:08 AM

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isn't software engineering mostly just agile and writing requirements?

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it sounds boring

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:08 AM

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ocean ledge isn't software engineering mostly just agile and writing requirements?

shit he got me there

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:09 AM

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But isn’t data validation easier now with software packages like Apache spark?

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:09 AM

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no

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:09 AM

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i'm just salty bc when i tried to get into DS/ML i did it wrong

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i did some udemy course thinking it would "teach me"

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boy oh boy

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:10 AM

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you can add avro schemas and type-safe pipelines all over your infra and hope things work

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:10 AM

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hearty island i'm just salty bc when i tried to get into DS/ML i did it wrong

Yeah, ML and DS really feels more like an art rather than science using a cookbook

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:10 AM

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if you don't know the math behind DS/ML you're not gonna have a fun time

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:10 AM

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but the moment a bad json ingest fucks up all your schemas

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:10 AM

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My models still suck but they are getting better lol

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:10 AM

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nothing saves you

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it's a never-ending battle

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:11 AM

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ocean ledge it's a never-ending battle

Crap, I guess I’ll just have to deal with it

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:11 AM

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i don't get this battle between traditional engineers and DS

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both your jobs suck major ass

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in very different directions of suck

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its just preferences

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Like traditional engineering roles?

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:12 AM

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SWE people don't have an easier life

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Well, traditional engineer jobs are very time consuming and sometimes stressful

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:12 AM

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it is still hella hard either way

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:12 AM

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would you rather deal with the suck of statistics and data cleaning or the suck of pipelines breaking every few days and managing unwieldy distributed systems

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or you can be in ml engineering

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:13 AM

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or my new bae

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pen testing

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:13 AM

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in which you do literally both sides and experience both suckages

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:13 AM

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I would rather be in machine learning honestly, lol

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Machine learning learning more towards software engineering rather than DS

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:14 AM

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ocean ledge would you rather deal with the suck of statistics and data cleaning or the suck ...

idk dude i'll tell you when i can reverse a linked list and invert a binary tree

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:14 AM

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Leaning*

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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ocean ledge would you rather deal with the suck of statistics and data cleaning or the suck ...

But pipelines breaking sounds better because it’s easier to debug than statistics

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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the problem with that side is that i personally wouldn't trust junior engineers with that stuff

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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Yeah, experience hurts and it takes time.

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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there's really so little "best practices" established that things change there quicker than most other engineering subfields atm

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if things burn you'd want someone with some core knowledge in there

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:16 AM

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And how do you manage those pipelines of information?

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That’s also why I’m doing the certs because at least I would know something about infrastructure like CloudFormation on AWS

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It’s really hard to know about that stuff without direct software engineering experience

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 1:20 AM

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noble oriole And how do you manage those pipelines of information?

probably getting some knowledge about airflow is helpful for you

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if you understand how to build rudimentary ETL pipelines on s3 pipelines, you'd be a fairly solid entry-level data engineering candidate

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especially if you can tell the difference between warehouses like redshift and snowflake

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:24 AM

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ETL pipelines on s3 pipelines????? what???

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idk what that means

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Thanks for the advice!

noble oriole Feb 28, 2021, 1:47 AM

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hearty island ETL pipelines on s3 pipelines????? what???

Extract, transform and load. Data preprocessing stuff

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 1:47 AM

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noble oriole Extract, transform and load. Data preprocessing stuff

oh wouldn't know lmao never done data pipeline stuff before

delicate bane Feb 28, 2021, 2:50 AM

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hearty island oh wouldn't know lmao never done data pipeline stuff before

i told you to learn some data engineering sip

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 2:50 AM

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delicate bane i told you to learn some data engineering <:sip:655481909660483594>

IDK WHERE TO START

delicate bane Feb 28, 2021, 2:50 AM

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ill send you a tutorial

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the spotify one i did

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 2:50 AM

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ok thanks

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i am stuck between too many different flavors of CS

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i need to stick to one path

delicate bane Feb 28, 2021, 2:52 AM

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i think id rather do the DS side of things

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but thats bc i like the science part of things

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 2:54 AM

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i have spread myself too thin

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and i still haven't learned DS/algo

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so i basically have done nothing

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 2:57 AM

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You dont have to learn everything all at once

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But i wouldnt put everything else aside and just learn one thing

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Start a peoject and learn bits and pieces from a whole bunch of parts of SWE

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 2:59 AM

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i don't have much time

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 2:59 AM

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You have nothing but time

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:04 AM

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near ocean You have nothing _but_ time

i only have 2 years till i graduate

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Plenty of time?

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Why are you on discord if you feel like youre out of time

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:07 AM

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bc i don't feel like studying rn

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 3:13 AM

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So youre stressing because you feel you dont have time but youre not doing anything to relieve that stress

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:14 AM

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well i did pygame for a while

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it's ok i will be doing data structures/algos tomorrow

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:16 AM

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near ocean Why are you on discord if you feel like youre out of time

idk you have 2 degrees and no job but you're on discord so why aren't you applying to jobs 24/7

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you tell me

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i just don't talk to people and this is like my only way

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Im not rushing to find a job tbh

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And im making stuff all day long

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:18 AM

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good answer

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:42 AM

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please don't feel like you have to learn everything before working in the field

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burning yourself out before even starting isn't going to make your life any better

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:44 AM

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i know

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:44 AM

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i picked up python programming and learned enough to land an engineering job in ~8 months, and then spent time learning things while in the industry

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:44 AM

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let me check out cracking the coding interview

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:45 AM

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you end up learning that you gain more in a few months of experience on the job than you can on your own

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so don't stress out so much

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:45 AM

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i mean most people learn on the job

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no one comes in knowing the entire codebase

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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it's more important to learn fundamentals-- basic cs, some distributed systems knowledge, maybe pick up a functional programming language

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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functional as in java?

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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all the other stuff (like frameworks and libraries and design patterns) can be picked up on the job

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what

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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what does functional programming language mean

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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functional like

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haskell, ocaml, clojure, elixer, erlang, etc

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:47 AM

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oh i don't know any of those

true harness Feb 28, 2021, 3:47 AM

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java is oop

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:47 AM

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everyone who programs should learn a scheme at some point

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:47 AM

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better get to learning them then

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a scheme???

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:47 AM

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scheme-- like racket

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:47 AM

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racket???

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:48 AM

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i thought you studied cs

true harness Feb 28, 2021, 3:48 AM

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lol

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:48 AM

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i am a business major now lmao

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i switched out of CS

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:48 AM

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racket is a language used in 1st year courses i think

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:49 AM

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uhhh not in my college

true harness Feb 28, 2021, 3:49 AM

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depends on the courses and the school, lol

hollow flame Feb 28, 2021, 3:49 AM

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neither, we did c#/python

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:49 AM

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we did python,javascript, and scala

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i will check out racket tho

maiden solar Feb 28, 2021, 3:55 AM

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ocean ledge you end up learning that you gain more in a few months of experience on the job ...

couldnt agree more, younger me thought that I was ready enough when I got my first job then everything changed, I knew nothing (or I only knew the surface). I can learn faster at work in industry with huge team than doing personal project or by learning through online courses.

analog ledge Feb 28, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Which undergrad degree is the most preffered in Data Science jobs? Is it Mathematics,Statistics or Computer Science?

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And what sorts of projects should I work on to improve my odds of getting a good Data Science job?

delicate bane Feb 28, 2021, 4:24 AM

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ocean ledge it's more important to learn fundamentals-- basic cs, some distributed systems k...

what do you think is essential for ds jobs? the same?

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Sip

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:26 AM

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memorize the entire bible

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don't do that

dry sapphire Feb 28, 2021, 5:11 AM

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hearty island better get to learning them then

just learn one

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the FP way of thinking is what is important

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Oh by learning them I meant learn one

dry sapphire Feb 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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you can use functional techniques in hybrid languages too

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like Python and JS

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Ok I will check it out

dry sapphire Feb 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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even Java and C++ have increased support for FP

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compared to a decade ago

median girder Feb 28, 2021, 5:38 AM

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maiden solar couldnt agree more, younger me thought that I was ready enough when I got my fir...

I totally agree. You only breeze the surface with self learning and classes. Companies should invest in new grads to help them get experience in real world application building! I have a job interview soon for web dev and im really looking to step into the industry as i have been self learning for the past 2 years and have a background in computer science 5 years ago. I mean i learned about stock options in my current job and i personally got hired without any financial experience.

crystal plover Feb 28, 2021, 8:25 AM

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Just wondering: Is only python enough for getting a job

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With HTML CSS and JavaScript

vapid jay Feb 28, 2021, 8:34 AM

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b

mint imp Feb 28, 2021, 8:52 AM

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How is de fold?

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It's a game making software

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Free on steam

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 9:58 AM

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hearty island i saw this vid of him criticizing SWE people for their a day in the life video a...

What is SWE?

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 9:58 AM

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sterile vault And credit score system in USA already seems dystopian to ousiders like me.

What do you mean with "credit score system in USA"? GPA?

vapid jay Feb 28, 2021, 9:59 AM

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Currently learning python. Thinking about which type of direction to go in. I assume there are more jobs available in web development rather than A.I ? Therefore have a higher chance of getting my first job in programming if I focus on web development? Happy to be corrected. Also will later learn other languages obviously if go for web development. Thanks

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 10:58 AM

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reef lintel https://youtu.be/_uQrJ0TkZlc

I tried his Java course and I learn more in college or on another YouTube channel

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 11:03 AM

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hearty island idk joshua fluke said to lie on your resume..... i'm not actually gonna do it

There are lies and "lies"
Pretending that you have 5 years of experience when you have 3 years is something you could call "soft lie"

uncut grotto Feb 28, 2021, 11:03 AM

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@vapid jay programming language doesn't matter: either way, even if you going for a "python" job, pretty sure when needed(for an another project), you'll need to learn others

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companies hire software engineers, not coders

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if you want to be a front-end web dev, just learn html/css/javascript and frameworks, don't waste time on other technologies

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 11:09 AM

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summer roost In software, unpaid internships are practically non-existent. But yeah, I agree.

In some country internships can't be paid

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 11:54 AM

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ocean ledge i picked up python programming and learned enough to land an engineering job in ...

Bootcamp?

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I was wondering why the "W"
I thought it was "Woman"

vapid jay Feb 28, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Hey. I am 14 and I am learning problem solving and programming languages any tips you could give me. I am still kind of confused on what subjects I am gonna use or get for the future and I know its early but I want some tips for the future.

peak halo Feb 28, 2021, 2:40 PM

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vapid jay Hey. I am 14 and I am learning problem solving and programming languages any tip...

Are you in the United States? I can't give advice about other countries.

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For one thing, you are 14. It is okay if you decide that programming isn't what you want to do with your life. So any plan you make now, be prepared to pivot those plans if you decide that your interests have changed. That said, I would look at what universities have computer science programs that you would want to attend and figure out what would make you most competitive for those programs.

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For example, the CS program that I'm in is part of the engineering school, which is an extra application on top of the application for the university. And they told me that my application wouldn't be considered unless I got an A in calculus.

fierce island Feb 28, 2021, 3:16 PM

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vapid jay Hey. I am 14 and I am learning problem solving and programming languages any tip...

I m 13 and I use to code from the last 1 year
as my profession and future had been decided
@peak halo is right ✅

lyric badge Feb 28, 2021, 3:23 PM

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I am 16, I know some coding, but not that much, I would be happy if learn it more in this server

vapid jay Feb 28, 2021, 3:28 PM

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peak halo Are you in the United States? I can't give advice about other countries.

Not Sure. I am thinking of Canada but I am really not sure and btw I am interested in coding. (I've coded alot of discord bots)

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 3:50 PM

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plush galleon Bootcamp?

don't waste money on a bootcamp

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just self study

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thats because ocaml is the main language used at jane street-- they're also the main contributors to the language ecosystem

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 3:55 PM

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delicate bane ill send you a tutorial

Can you send me your tutorial on Spotify ?

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 3:56 PM

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ocean ledge don't waste money on a bootcamp

I heard that some bootcamps have a program to improve your chances to get a job in 6 months

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Whoms’t pinged me like 2 times on the same channel

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 4:02 PM

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i heard that this indian guy will give me a million bucks, all i gotta do is give him my bank account

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:05 PM

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ocean ledge i heard that this indian guy will give me a million bucks, all i gotta do is giv...

For 10K for 3 weeks I assumed that they would help you to get a job

ocean ledge Feb 28, 2021, 4:06 PM

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yeah and people spend more for that over 4 years to get a job

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bootcamps by themselves don't mean anything

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i've met bootcamp grads-- they're often below average, unless they already also had a solid stem background already

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theres a reason why bootcamps stopped putting "job guarantees" on their marketing materials years ago

blissful viper Feb 28, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Possible to get an internship as an international student??

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:19 PM

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@ocean ledge bootcamps worked years ago… now it’s just designed to take your money

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my mom was like honey should I put you in a bootcamp for coding and I was like please don’t waste money

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I honestly learn more by coding in this server

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:20 PM

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ocean ledge yeah and people spend more for that over 4 years to get a job

I know people that spent way less than 10k and just took a bread and butter work while learning new skills

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:20 PM

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if I get a job in coding it’s mostly bc of this server and my own work

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:21 PM

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ocean ledge i've met bootcamp grads-- they're often below average, unless they already also ...

I often see bootcamp "grads" claiming a lot of things but never someone that could confirm that

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:21 PM

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ocean ledge theres a reason why bootcamps stopped putting "job guarantees" on their marketin...

https://openclassrooms.com/en/paths/322-developpeur-dapplication-python

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300 € per month and "Find work within 6 months of graduating."

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:21 PM

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oh yeah these bootcamp grads are like omg dude I have connections to “recruiters in big tech companies”

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yeah? Then let’s see you get a job at one lmao

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you don’t think these recruiters know thousands of people who are better at what you do?

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these guys get spammed by hundreds of messages

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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hearty island yeah? Then let’s see you get a job at one lmao

I don't have 12 months to waste or invest in a possible outcome

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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@plush galleon neither do I

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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I'm in last year of college so I just buy books about algo and try to learn what college didn't teach me

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:23 PM

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@plush galleon did you try cracking the coding interview?

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how would you rate that book?

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:23 PM

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hearty island I honestly learn more by coding in this server

What do you program for this server?

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:23 PM

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@plush galleon I just do personal projects

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I need to start contributing to OSS

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you know building a portfolio of projects is very important

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no one really cares about your college projects you did during courses bc it’s spoon fed to you

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they want to see you build stuff on your own

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:26 PM

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hearty island <@163390956421251072> did you try cracking the coding interview?

I tried it but it's one of my college's problem: programming classes suck, especially Java

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If you mean the book from Gayle, I'd suggest you to give it a try but I prefer CLRS to learn more in-depth concepts

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:26 PM

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CLRS???

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I am just skipping straight to data structures

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Cormen, Leiserson, Rivest and Stein

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https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/introduction-algorithms-third-edition

The MIT Press

Introduction to Algorithms, Third Edition

The latest edition of the essential text and professional reference, with substantial new material on such topics as vEB trees, multithreaded algorithms, dynamic programming, and edge-based flow.
Some books on algorithms are rigorous but incomplete; others cover masses of material but lack rigor. Introduction to Algorithms unique...

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Good stuff

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I’ll see if there’s a ~~PDF of it~~

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@chrome hamlet it is but you have to take that dive if you wanna get better

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all of the SWE interviews will make you do leetcode questions so you better know your stuff

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@chrome hamlet are you working at a job now?

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:29 PM

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I had a couple of really cool projects during my classes but 1st grade students start to cheat for the few projects they have so it's getting way worse than it was

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:29 PM

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it’s bc of FAANG that’s why leetcode is so all over the place in the US

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it’s in India too

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Google started to spread this trend but it doesn't prove anything except that you can solve a particular problem

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Noxcy you’re the best thanks dude

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:32 PM

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No problem

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:33 PM

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so here’s my attack plan

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read cracking the coding interview and the other book

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do some leetcode questions

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and then contribute to OSS

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Leverage that on my resume and get an internship

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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I didn't have enough projects to get out of the tutorial hell

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In fact, I think that you should help OSS while learning algo books as it changes your way of programming

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 4:36 PM

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@plush galleon I actually found a tik tok video that gives you projects to do

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It’s like a website

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I can DM you it

plush galleon Feb 28, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Thanks

hot verge Feb 28, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Not that anyone asked but just my 2 cents: leetcode questions aren't everywhere in the US either. I honestly don't have any numbers to back me up, but I've interviewed at a lot of places that range from prestigious large companies to small startups, and I generally have only gotten leetcodes at the large companies. I've had programming questions at other smaller companies as well but they tend to be pretty simply in comparison. I've gotten a few offers at places without ever doing even a programming challenge though. So I think it depends, but leetcode isn't necessarily the industry standard across the US

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 5:39 PM

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i mean

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congrats ig

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not my experience

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several startups asked me leetcode questions

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so take that as you will

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:45 PM

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hot verge Not that anyone asked but just my 2 cents: leetcode questions aren't everywhere ...

This is right. Personally, I'd argue that Leetcode questions are red flag unless company commonly writes the software that leetcode tests for

vapid jay Feb 28, 2021, 6:45 PM

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any1 can help me please ?

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:47 PM

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hearty island several startups asked me leetcode questions

Startups ask because of "WE WANT TO BE LIKE GOOGLE" pressure or founders came out of FAANG

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:48 PM

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shadow moss Startups ask because of "WE WANT TO BE LIKE GOOGLE" pressure or founders came ou...

or the investors want them to be the next google.... so they feel more pressure

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they only want "the best"

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and "the best" are the ones who can solve a leetcode question in 20 minutes with someone watching and completely explain big O notation like they're talking to a 5 year old

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:49 PM

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that's We want to be like Google pressure

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:50 PM

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ooooh look at me i'm ex google and ex facebook

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everyone wants to be me so i'm gonna get clout w youtube

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that's what most of them do

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:51 PM

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sure but that's still tiny part of industry

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like my company doesn't test using those, and we hire metric ton of developers

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we are just not a big TECH name

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:51 PM

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yeah but that's just your company

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:51 PM

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there is a ton of companies who need software developers

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and they won't test using algorithm questions

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:52 PM

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well i've applied to 50 of them

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so we'll see what they ask

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:52 PM

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shadow moss there is a ton of companies who need software developers

would you be able to recommend a book for DS/algo that doesn't have gigantic walls of text

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cracking the coding interview is good for examples

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:53 PM

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No, I stay away from all of that

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:53 PM

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you don't do DS/algo? or you don't encourage it?

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Both

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:53 PM

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bc it keeps people out of the industry? and people barely use it?

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3/4 of my class dropped during DS/algo in college so

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Leetcode isnt even hard, you should stop worshipping it

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:56 PM

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near ocean Leetcode isnt even hard, you should stop worshipping it

who said i was worshipping it? and you have 2 degrees i hope you think leetcode isn't hard by then

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if leetcode was hard for you after that i'd be worried

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Feels like every third word you type is leetcode

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:56 PM

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near ocean Feels like every third word you type is leetcode

i asked a question about DS/algo

near ocean Feb 28, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Dont worry about it so much, just keep learning and those leetcode type questions will solve themselves

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 6:57 PM

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yeah that's why i'm trying to learn big O

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bc it's important...

shadow moss Feb 28, 2021, 6:58 PM

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near ocean Leetcode isnt even hard, you should stop worshipping it

my take isn't difficulty, it's lack of how little it applies to day to day jobs

hearty island Feb 28, 2021, 7:01 PM

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if you don't think leetcode questions are hard after 4 years of CS there might be something wrong

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unfortunately i am teaching myself