career-advice

[sudden shadow]

im kind of scared, will alot of jobs not accept me in the future if I graduate highschool with a 3.2 gpa?

[hearty island]

you can do good projects to offset it

[languid carbon]

nah they mostly foucus on your skills

focus **

[hearty island]

CS probably

do you know the basics of python?

[languid carbon]

yep

like how much time do i need to get into that field

[sudden shadow]

man subjects like biology and chemistry are so hard for me and i dont want that to affect my future smh

[hearty island]

it depends on you

[languid carbon]

or to pursue a career in it

[hearty island]

idk i took ap chem and ap bio and it made me realize i don't wanna be a doctor

[languid carbon]

like aproximatly how much time ?

[near ocean]

You definitely need a postgrad degree to get a decent AI research position

[hearty island]

uhhh i don't know how much time tbh

[languid carbon]

i meant how much time do i need to start studying artificial intelligence

[hearty island]

it depends on the person

[languid carbon]

like do i need to finish college first or what>

?

[hearty island]

i know people in high school who do ML

you can start any time you want to

[languid carbon]

do they attend bootcamps or courses

[hearty island]

they do the online courses on coursera

[languid carbon]

another question if you dont mind tho

are there any colleges that teaches artificail intelligence?

or no?

[languid carbon]

u still there bud?

[hearty island]

yes there are

[near ocean]

Realistically you would need a bachelors and a postgrad degree to get into research

Bootcamps wont do anything

[hearty island]

idk maybe he doesn't wanna get into research

bootcamps don't do shit

[languid carbon]

what is the difference m8 between the research and the normal one?

i mean i want to work on robots and systems and Ai and that sort of stuff

[hearty island]

lmao doesn't everyone

robots are pretty cool

uhh i can't speak for research maybe mariosis can

[near ocean]

Research as in academic research

Working in a "lab" publishing papers

As opposed to working in the industry

[languid carbon]

which one is better

[hearty island]

are you asking which one makes more money??

[near ocean]

Theres no better, just pick what you want

[hearty island]

FAANG pays well but it takes some serious qualifications

[near ocean]

Research requires better qualifications

[languid carbon]

i mean yeah

but

[near ocean]

Definitely needs a MSc, maybe a PhD

[hearty island]

damn mariosis so you could get a job at FAANG easy then

[near ocean]

No lmao

[hearty island]

what 2 degrees do you have?

[languid carbon]

so guys if i wanted to work with ai what can i do ?

[near ocean]

Im not smart enough and i dont have the patience to go through their interviews

[hearty island]

oh true

[near ocean]

I got a CS BSc and a finance MSc

[hearty island]

what's a bsc

[near ocean]

Definitely not going into research either

Bachelor of science

Its undergrad

[hearty island]

so quantitative finance?

[near ocean]

Yea pretty much

[hearty island]

that's one of the things i hear w when i see people who do CS and finance

[near ocean]

Its an easy way into a high paying career

Except this pandemic fucked up my plans

[hearty island]

i'm sorry dude

[sudden shadow]

which one should I do?

[hearty island]

you're not the only one

don't do ap cs principles

it's bullshit

it's all psuedocode

i took the damn thing it was awful

[near ocean]

At the high school level it doesnt really matter

[sudden shadow]

should I do the IB one then?

[near ocean]

Just keep your grades up

[hearty island]

idk maybe you had a different college experience than i did

mostly all the kids who did not know how to code when they joined dropped like flies

and they were at office hours every day

[languid carbon]

yea guys u r so lucky u have the choice to pick classes based on your dream job

[sudden shadow]

im trying to keep my grades up as much as possible and my gpa is only at a 3.2, im stressed i wont be able to get a job in programming in the future if it stays like that 😦

[languid carbon]

yea lucky

[jolly furnace]

ive had friends to ib cs hl

[languid carbon]

listen man it's just a matter of experience just dont let that bother you school is trash and shit

[hearty island]

i graduated w a 3.8 but i didn't take advanced math or AP CS

[jolly furnace]

they said they didnt learn anything

[hearty island]

so i would rather have a lower gpa w hard courses than a higher gpa w easy ones

[sudden shadow]

i take normal classes too 😦

[hearty island]

pls i know someone who had a 2.8 and got into cornell no legacy no nothing

but he was taking ap chem and ap physics as a sophomore

and robotics club

[languid carbon]

guys let me tell about middle eastern school

and about our cs degree

so I gave him this small problem

that is

" find the maximum value of the list [1,2,3,4]:"

do you know what happened next

he fucking kicked me out of class

[hearty island]

he couldn't do it?

[languid carbon]

and called me parents

my *

then after that

I told him to do it

and I forced him

because I was filimng it

and told him that if he didnt did it

I would put it in facebook's school group

and i would file a complain about ypu

[hearty island]

you gave the teacher the problem?

[languid carbon]

then he quitted

[hearty island]

bro you guys have some elephant sized balls

lmao

[languid carbon]

and shut down the class

hhhhhhh

[delicate bane]

probably killed it on the SAT

99%

bet

[hearty island]

yeah he got a 1550

[delicate bane]

[languid carbon]

dude we have some serious shit teachers

[hearty island]

i got a 1500 lmao

[hearty island]

sucks

don't let them hold you back tho

[languid carbon]

like let me tell you about our english teacher

who is supposed to be in the teaching industry for over 20 years

btw he earns around 1500$ per month

[delicate bane]

literally 99%. at that point your gpa doesn't matter

[hearty island]

yeah true

[languid carbon]

he spills "this" "ziz"

[hearty island]

the SAT was all practice if you did hella practice tests you can do it

[languid carbon]

dude i swar to god if i wasn't a self taught student

I would be fucked up

[hearty island]

oh you have to be self taught in coding

[languid carbon]

they dont teach me shit

evn in maths

[hearty island]

if you can't read doc and figure out your own problems

F in the chat for you

[languid carbon]

dude rtally it sucks

and in the middle eastern schools

you have to study all the subjects

which is 9

and if you dont get good marks in high school

then

"F in the chat for you"

your life is over in the middle east

[near ocean]

Ah i feel you man

We gotta study all subjects too

[hearty island]

yep

[near ocean]

Literature, modern language, history, english, the sciences

[languid carbon]

yep man it sucks

and our teachers

have the same knowledge as a 2nd grader

i mean

they take less than 1500$ dollars per month as a seniors

what can i expect

😩

[hearty island]

i went to jericho which is one of the best schools on long island

even then most of the teachers who made like 6 figures were garbage

[sudden shadow]

i think my teacher made a mistake, would this affect my gpa at all? I had an 82 for my final grade but it shows as a D

[hearty island]

uhhhhhh get that sorted out real quick

[jolly furnace]

well thats when u go and appeal

cuz that makes about no sense

[hearty island]

call their ass

be like what the hell is going on

[sudden shadow]

that was last semester

im not sure who to call

lol

[hearty island]

yes

the school's IT department

[languid carbon]

hhhhhhh you guys have It department in school

wtf

hhhhhhh

where are you guys

in a heaven?

[languid carbon]

dude call your teacher and if he didnt respond go to his house

hhhhhh

[sudden shadow]

I emailed him, im gonna be mad if he doesnt fix it

[vapid jay]

well different currencies?

its not really a fair comparison

[languid carbon]

I am in dubai

[vapid jay]

they pay in dollars?

[languid carbon]

not in iraq

[vapid jay]

interesting

[languid carbon]

dirahams

[vapid jay]

so is it 1500 dollars or 1500 dirhams?

[languid carbon]

which is a good currency

[languid carbon]

dollars

which converts to 5000 dirhams

and you know

life in dubai is expensive

[vapid jay]

ah i see

[lament hollow]

oh my

so i am new is this baiscly the gen chat

[barren trench]

hi

i need help with discord

[true harness]

the chat named #python-discussion is the general chat

[lament hollow]

ya thx

[ocean ledge]

its over

[hearty island]

is this the first time you saw it?

[vapid jay]

hmmmmmm

[final wing]

Hey all, I know the basics of programming but I am struggling in figuring out which path to take. I’m studying python atm but I see a lot of jobs that include JavaScript. Would learning JavaScript be the ideal route in trying to get a job? Or are there equal opportunities as well with python?
I feel that trying to land a job with python is much more difficult because it requires more skill for something like data science while js I can become a web Dev

[near ocean]

You cant escape JS if you want to be a web dev

Is there a reason you cant learn both langs together?

[final wing]

reason is i am trying to get a job by next year so i would like to make proficient in 1 language first

[hearty island]

you can't run from javascript

there is no escape

[final wing]

like to be*

[near ocean]

You wont get a job only knowing a single technology

[hearty island]

yeah

[limber pulsar]

You can run from javascript

[near ocean]

You shouldnt

[hearty island]

you should not

[final wing]

i hear you, i would still be studying python but i would just give more attention to js

[hearty island]

make web apps

best of both worlds

[limber pulsar]

Depends on what you want to do. There are many fields in IT. Python is mainly used for automation and as a DevOps role you will be using Python a lot

oh and AI is big in Python

[final wing]

i like python but in terms of what will land me a job faster imo is js unless i am wrong? i will still be studying python tho just not as much as js

[limber pulsar]

I work as a Cloud Sys Admin, I don't do any frontend coding (javascript)

[hearty island]

bro said he wants to be a web dev

meaning he has to do javascript

[near ocean]

Knowing 2 languages will get you a job faster, it doesnt have to be js and python

[final wing]

well i said web dev cause i see people getting those jobs left and right

[limber pulsar]

Listen

all you need is to know the fundamentals and not be from india

[hearty island]

hey i'm indian

that hurt

[near ocean]

Thats kinda yikes my dude

[hearty island]

racist much????

[limber pulsar]

If you are from India you are fucked since the structure in their society is messed up

Not racist

[hearty island]

well i was born here

in the US

[near ocean]

There is such a thing as remote work

[hearty island]

just realized saying born here doesn't mean much on discord

[limber pulsar]

Oh I meant if you live in India, apologies

[hearty island]

all good

but the caste system has severely screwed up india

and overpopulation

[limber pulsar]

In Europe it's easy to get a job as whatever you want

[near ocean]

Anyway, the point is that the more you know the easier it'll be

[hearty island]

idk if that's true never having tried to get employment in europe

[near ocean]

A jack of all trades is better than a master of one

[final wing]

true, i just see so many people telling me to focus on one language first

[near ocean]

Thats dumb

[limber pulsar]

Bruh why you stating the obvious like that's gonna help him?

[near ocean]

Bruh he was literally asking about it

[final wing]

yeah just tell me what to do

[near ocean]

People can learn many things at the same time

[final wing]

im a sheep, ill follow w.e you guys say

[hearty island]

he's just trying to help lmao

chill Free

[limber pulsar]

"the more you know, the better it is" lmao that applies to literally everything in life

Do this Tony

[hearty island]

sometimes that's what people need to hear

[near ocean]

Apparently not if someone's asking about it, relax

[limber pulsar]

Pick up courses and learn the fundamentals in computer science

[final wing]

any language?

[limber pulsar]

That's the true way

C

That's how universities do it

[near ocean]

As if "learn the fundamentals" isnt obvious lmao

smh

[hearty island]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[limber pulsar]

well it gives him a direction, right?

[hearty island]

this might help

mariosis was doing the same thing

lmao

[limber pulsar]

the fundamentals includes data structures, algorithms

all languages are pretty much the same fundamentally so you need to learn those fundamentals

then you can start learning different languages

Otherwise you will just write shit code

You also need to learn design patterns

Complexity analysis too

[final wing]

ok heres my plan: learn fundamentals with c at the harvard course thing, then study python and js

and get a job

[limber pulsar]

If it's your first job you will need a degree my dude

If you plan to make a career

[final wing]

lol im never going back to school

[hearty island]

how old are you?

[limber pulsar]

I know you can become very good without a degree, but it's a requirement at almost all companies unless you're a prodigy who built a giant software that became popular

[final wing]

dont get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with getting an education i just dont have the money for it

im 25

[limber pulsar]

Alright then you gotta do what pip said

[hearty island]

me getting a degree in business analytics bc i changed my major

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[limber pulsar]

Learn for free -> Build your portfolio -> Use it as a leverage to prove you are good

[final wing]

i graduated with criminal justice

will be doing just that

[hearty island]

don't wanna be a lawyer?

[final wing]

i was going to become a cop

but life happens

[near ocean]

Yea not the greatest time to be a cop lmao

[hearty island]

agreed

[final wing]

yeah....

plus the pay is not worth it

i dont love my city that much

[faint marlin]

Is there a job postings board, or is this it?

[hearty island]

no job postings board

[faint marlin]

Got it, thanks.

[deft vortex]

https://benjamins-goods-1.myshopify.com/collections/jackets/products/fashion-men-wall-street-bets-letter-printed-hoodies-wsb-unisex-casual-hooded-sweatshirts-women-gme-pullovers-hoodie-plus-size hoddies

[sly bloom]

yall should just start paypal for bitcoins, or is that a thing?

[hearty island]

can you stop?

[hearty island]

#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[marsh wind]

Would not say easy tbh

But maybe easier than us in some regards, idk

[golden tundra]

You realize this is against the rules and will get you reported to the mods?

[sly bloom]

Depends on what you want ofcourse:

• a deep understanding of how everything works: C
• learn the basics & learn more along the way: python
• webdevelopment stuff: javascript

[ripe roost]

career discussions!

[ripe roost]

career discussion anyone?

[wanton helm]

yeah

[ocean ledge]

you guys have careers?

[mortal wedge]

Yep

I just shut post on social media for fun

[crude crown]

let's discuss it then

I've received an email for an offer but it's an exploding one which blows up at Friday...

this is for sure a red flag, I wasn't expecting this from this company

how would you deal with an exploding offer? To be honest, I'm kind of stalling the process due to being refered to it (there are quite a few applicants in the hiring process queue) but I would still expect, by cortesy, a time limit like this monday.

[hearty island]

no 😦

can someone explain why hofstra is making me do java in junior year for business analytics

does java have any relevancy in data science???

i thought it was primarily python land

[jolly furnace]

i mean i think some places use scala for data sci

which is kinda like java?

[hearty island]

yeah i used scala for a while

before i switched my major to business

[ocean ledge]

scala > python

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[ocean ledge]

scala is fairly heavily used, since spark is written in scala

[hearty island]

i only used it for a semester in college

[ocean ledge]

there is pyspark, but scala-based spark is faster, thanks to underlying optimizations

[hidden timber]

Hello guys

I have a question

[hearty island]

yeah?

[hidden timber]

I am a 16 year old boy with parents who dont believe in me because of my school results literally all my family hates me because i didnt want to go through the boring life cycle that they went through and end up working a 9-5 i want to start programming and decide what goes on with my future myself but somehow i just feel unmotivated all the time its either when i am watching the 14 hour python tutorial on youtube i feel like listening to music which destroys my whole mood of learning that ends up in me feeling like a failure my trusted teacher i talked to said to start programming and learn about python and crypto currencies as well since most things in the future will be automatic but i just dont know where to start and i wanna prove my parents wrong about me being a failure does anyone have any similar experiences and could possibly help me?

[hearty island]

can I get a TLDR @hidden timber

[hidden timber]

TLDR?

[hearty island]

Too long didn’t read

[hidden timber]

😔

[hearty island]

I got the basic idea tho

so I would recommend !resources

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[hidden timber]

What does it do?

[hearty island]

over that video tutorial you’re watching @hidden timber

uhhhh it gives you resources to learn python

[hidden timber]

Ok thanks

[boreal birch]

@hidden timber I'd say you should just start working on stuff and learn as you go

[hidden timber]

Do you think i can prove them wrong? Is it too late?

[hearty island]

at least read automate the boring stuff

@hidden timber dude I’m 19 and I’m still learning you’re fine

[boreal birch]

@hidden timber Like, just pull up any site, and try to re-create it, at least on a basic HTML and CSS level

[hidden timber]

Ok 😁

But when you say recreate?

Mess around with the code?

[timid mirage]

why?

[boreal birch]

Try to make it yourself

Here's a challenge for you, @hidden timber . Make the google.com homepage yourself

Doesn't need to be functional, just make it look exactly like it does on the real site

[jolly furnace]

oh god i hate working with html

and css

[hidden timber]

Can you get paid by doing like little projects on github?

[hearty island]

@jolly furnace same I just copy paste

[jolly furnace]

well fiverr

ppl pay for code

it may not exactly be much

[hearty island]

Do you need credentials for fiverr?

[jolly furnace]

i think or sth

idk

[hidden timber]

Yes i dont mind at all

[jolly furnace]

i know there is like an issue where ppl outsource the work

[boreal birch]

@jolly furnace HTML and CSS are elementary, you must know these no matter what dev field you end up in

[jolly furnace]

i dont touch html and css

when u just work with backend

[timid mirage]

there are many career paths that don't require the front end

[hidden timber]

But i focus on python first?

[timid mirage]

ML people would be lost in the web app world unless they dual-specked

damn rouge-mages

[near ocean]

Speaking of html, i just spent the past 3 hours making an online portfolio lmao

Fuck html

[hearty island]

@near ocean good shit

@near ocean you probably have heard of this but have you tried networking and if so has anything really happened? Did you have offers when you graduated?

[timid mirage]

dm link?

[hearty island]

I’m just curious

[near ocean]

Lol no, not doxxing myself

[timid mirage]

let me get this right

[near ocean]

I did get a couple offer but nothing came out of it

[timid mirage]

you made a portfolio to show off your work

and now you want to keep it hidden?

[jolly furnace]

hence i only do backend

[near ocean]

Are you an employer

[hearty island]

he works for a company

[near ocean]

This wasnt made for you then lmao

[hearty island]

he can give you tips

[boreal birch]

@jolly furnace you can't do back-end successfully if you don't know front-end

[near ocean]

Sure you can

[timid mirage]

I just want to see it

[jolly furnace]

naw i just return json

and let front end dude interpret the json

[boreal birch]

If you are exclusively doing back-end, you need to know how to integrate your back-end to the front end

[near ocean]

I still gotta write some media queries

[jolly furnace]

no ui aspect whatsoever

[near ocean]

Its fucked up on smaller screens

[jolly furnace]

yeah thats true

but i dont really touch ui elements

cuz i cant really do them well

[boreal birch]

But you at least have a general idea of how to front-end, right? @jolly furnace

[jolly furnace]

i only do it if i have to

[hidden timber]

How do you guys constantly stay committed to coding what goes through your head while doing so?

[near ocean]

Literally have nothing else to do

[hearty island]

@hidden timber I just enjoy pain so

[jolly furnace]

if u do many things at the same time

its kinda like a break when u rotate between them

[timid mirage]

healthy living, exercise, medication if needed, coffee, etc

[boreal birch]

@hidden timber you gotta want to work on what you're working on, and it's ok if you don't at first. You might get into it more as you learn more.

[timid mirage]

@near ocean Gracias Mariosis 🙂

[near ocean]

Theres a lockdown here and im unemployed, cant go out

[hidden timber]

Right now im just learning the basics

[near ocean]

All i can do is sit and coode

[jolly furnace]

lmao whats that copy pasta

[hearty island]

@limber phoenix <@&267629731250176001>

damn I didn’t mean to ping them but whoops

On my phone big fingers small screen

[jolly furnace]

to be fair its kinda low effort copy pasta

[hearty island]

yeah I don’t think he’s gonna get banned

or muted

Idk

why is he so annoying

[timid mirage]

no life

[jolly furnace]

lmao the dude tried to ping everyone

[hidden timber]

He came to annoy ppl for attention?

[hearty island]

isn’t that banned by Reyes

[jolly furnace]

literally a low effort troll

[hearty island]

REGEX

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @limber phoenix until 2021-02-25 03:26 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: mentions rule: sent 10 mentions in 10s).

[near ocean]

Yea anyway

[timid mirage]

yay

[hearty island]

I don’t know how regex works lmao

will I need it?

[jolly furnace]

well he got muted by the bot

[peak halo]

!pban 784555092714979328 Ban speedrunner

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @limber phoenix permanently.

[near ocean]

The only breaks i get are switching between projects

[hidden timber]

😳

[timid mirage]

it's deep. Most devs just google it before they need something

[hearty island]

@timid mirage got it

[boreal birch]

@hearty island You'll be a hero if you learn regex

[timid mirage]

^whaaa?

no way

[hearty island]

well right now I am a side character who barely shows up

[timid mirage]

Just pull it up when needed.

[jolly furnace]

regex can create some weird sht

that is rather hard to read

[hearty island]

I am taking a break from coding for now I have been coding the entire day

[timid mirage]

https://regex101.com/

[boreal birch]

Learn the basics of regex, then just google what you need as you need it

[hidden timber]

Ok thanks @hearty island and everyone else i will fully start learning

[boreal birch]

It's good for your toolkit

[hearty island]

Oh yeah I also have to learn lambda and OOP

[timid mirage]

what kind of lambda? Serverless aws stuff or the python func?

[hearty island]

and I have to learn data structures and algorithms for interview questions

@timid mirage python func

[near ocean]

The functional type i guess

[hearty island]

When they say google asks dynamic questions

What the hell does that mean

[jolly furnace]

well all that stuff took me 1.5 yrs to learn

[near ocean]

Dynamic programming

[hearty island]

Not that I’m trying to get into google

yeah what is that

[jolly furnace]

which is where i am at rn

[hearty island]

@jolly furnace you work for google?

[jolly furnace]

no

but what u listed

[hearty island]

what is dynamic programming

[jolly furnace]

took me 1.5 yrs to learn

[hearty island]

just curious

[near ocean]

Its a method of problem solving

[hearty island]

I can just google it

[near ocean]

Thats applicable to what google does which is why they use such problems

[hearty island]

they make you code on google docs for interviews

why do they even do that

Rob you of syntax highlighting and everything else that comes w an IDE

[near ocean]

Its a psychology thing

I hope

[jolly furnace]

i mean half of it is explaining the algorithm

[hearty island]

I wanna get good enough to interview people

[jolly furnace]

and the other half is getting some code to do it

[timid mirage]

FANG

[hearty island]

@timid mirage isn’t it FAANG

pls I’m happy working for textron

[near ocean]

The algoexpert guy does mock interviews on youtube

[jolly furnace]

the amount of stuff i see in r/csmajors about fang makes me cringe

[hearty island]

assuming they still want me after I reject them

[timid mirage]

....who wants to work for Apple

I'd Swiftly exit

[hearty island]

LMAO

that made me smile

my uncle works for oracle

and my dad works for canon

but neither can get me references bc my dad doesn’t code anymore and my uncle is a salesman

ofc life isn’t that convenient

[jolly furnace]

eh

i bet the applications for them

[hearty island]

my best bet so I don’t end up unemployed when I graduate is to get an internship and do really well so I get a return offer

[jolly furnace]

have an option where it asks if u have a family member that works there

and u would pick yes

and i dont think they ask in detail what they do

[hearty island]

does it even help much

[jolly furnace]

idk

[hearty island]

How does genetics impact how good you are at a job

it won’t that’s my answer

[jolly furnace]

never ticked it

[hearty island]

well I never knew anyone so

[jolly furnace]

cuz i never applied for the companies that my parents work for

[hearty island]

well my mom is a stay at home mom who constantly blames me for her having to stay at home

but she never makes any effort to get back into accounting

I am just focusing on myself

I don’t know if these portfolio projects will turn people’s heads

[jolly furnace]

i mean having some connection

prob is slightly better than those without

[hearty island]

I can talk very well

it’s just talking to the right people

that sounded cocky

I can communicate well? I have good people skills

People skills are very important if you wanna discuss code w co workers

if you want to get into the upper positions it’s more talking than coding

[boreal birch]

Shit, getting a job alone is more reliant on talking skills than actual coding skills

You can be a top tier developer, but if you can't express your knowledge or are antisocial, no one will hire you

[hearty island]

period

@near ocean are you gonna get a masters in CS too?

[near ocean]

No, im done with school

[hearty island]

oh ok

[upbeat scarab]

I know this is a poorly phrased question, but can I talk to someone on which path to choose in school? My options are cybersecurity, data science, machine learning, or artificial intelligence

I've never been too fond of cybersecurity, but in all fairness I barely know anything about it

I like data science, but if someone is willing to explain how careers will differ between these categories, it is much appreciated

[delicate bane]

yikes...what do they say about fang

[jolly furnace]

when u realize it might as well be called r/csmajors

[delicate bane]

[jolly furnace]

wait i meant r/amazon

[delicate bane]

[jolly furnace]

what i just said made no sense

[delicate bane]

i didnt wanna say anything

so i just exploded instead

but interesting

[jolly furnace]

anyways its big cringe

[delicate bane]

glad i am not on there

[knotty onyx]

Hi

[inner wren]

Hey @neat haven!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.bat). We currently allow the following file types: .3gp, .3g2, .avi, .bmp, .gif, .h264, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpeg, .mpg, .png, .tiff, .wmv, .psd, .ai, .aep, .xcf, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .afdesign, .m4a, .csv.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[dark geyser]

Hm, it looks like that file might've been a virus. Instead of cooking up trouble, try cooking up a Spicy Italian Meatball: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ree-drummond/spicy-italian-meatballs.html

[hearty island]

@upbeat scarab if you wanna do cyber security there are better servers than this bc we can’t talk about hacking as it violates rule 5

although most of the people you see in cybersecurity positions spent their time hacking which is how they learned to be better at security

so just try dabbling in basically everything until you find what you like

[near ocean]

Cybersecurity and hacking are only tangentially related

Otherwise this server wouldnt have a #cybersecurity channel

[hearty island]

well one of the cybersecurity kids I know mentioned hackthebox.com

but that’s as much as I’m talking about the h word bc I don’t wanna be banned

[near ocean]

penetration testing is also just a part of cybersec and definitely the one most hyped by media and hollywood
anyone that has taken a cybersec class in college can tell you that there's two things that characterize cybersec

• its fucking hard
• its more boring than you think

[hearty island]

oh yeah it is very hard

we don't do recruiting here

we just don't do that here period

this isn't a recruiting board this is to discuss stuff like internships and jobs

so that random strangers can offer you advice

kek

[ripe cradle]

i got pinged?

@vapid jay ?

[hearty island]

he was asking you for a job

[ripe cradle]

breh

[hearty island]

some kinda troll maybe

[ripe cradle]

lol

ok

[hearty island]

but not worthy enough to ping moderators

[ripe cradle]

i see

[hearty island]

needs a more serious infraction

did i ask you?

no i didn't so stop pinging me it's annoying

[near ocean]

Bruh stop, this is offtopic

[hearty island]

#ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

where do you guys think i'll have the most luck finding internships

LinkedIN
Chegg Internships
Indeed
Glassdoor
Handshake
ParkerDewey
AngelList
Data Yoshi

that's the list i used to go through every day to apply

[vapid jay]

are you in hs or college? As another option, I have heard about a lot of people getting contacts through hackathons.

[hearty island]

college but hackathons are online so no shaking hands

[hearty island]

and you're complaining?

you don't like web dev?

understandable

survival of the fittest

it's good to have multiple skills

and i know people who went from web dev to swe

i'm not learning web dev for that reason

i just think my idea is cool and i wanna see it work

[jolly furnace]

yeah i hate web dev too

funny enough im doing web dev rn

[hearty island]

would you recommend HTML & CSS for a social media feed where people can post chronologically

i keep seeing php

[jolly furnace]

lmao i dont touch that stuff

i do backend rn

although when it comes to hackathons im kinda forced to do it

so.........

[hearty island]

oh well i need this portfolio project so these "people" can post drawings where they are liked

but i really don't know what i'm doing lmao

literally going down a rabbit hole

[jolly furnace]

unfortuantely there are just so many jobs for web dev

[hearty island]

yes

[marsh nimbus]

i like python

[hearty island]

i know someone who just does HTML and CSS and gets paid 120 k same as ML engineers

[vapid jay]

thats pretty good

[hearty island]

yep

but he also had to grind leetcode and stuff

[vapid jay]

was that just for the interview then?

[marsh nimbus]

Hey I know python fully but i am only 15 how will i get a job?

[hearty island]

yep

[hearty island]

you know it fully? like the basics?

[jolly furnace]

yeah i talked to someone working for coursera

[marsh nimbus]

I am a professional

[jolly furnace]

they literally get paid lots for updating how a button looks on a webpage

[hearty island]

yeah

[marsh nimbus]

breh html is so boring to learn

[jolly furnace]

now idk how fulfilling that is

[vapid jay]

would you take a 20 percent pay cut if a job suddenly became fulfilling?

[delicate bane]

what kind of prereq's

[jolly furnace]

well if u dont have a family

and ur just staring at the screen for 8 hrs a day

and the stuff is boring af

idk

[delicate bane]

if my loans were paid off, yes; if not, ill be gunning for a promotion

[hearty island]

not interested in starting a family until i can sustain myself

[vapid jay]

isn't that to be expected though?

??

[delicate bane]

thats...kinda why you want data scientists..?

someone to translate what ML does

/when to apply it

was it sql

i saw one posting like that yesterday

it was like "knowledge of slack, outlook" blah blah

and i was like hmmmmmmmm

[vapid jay]

What does Stage 3 mean?

[jolly furnace]

that is a next job

yup thats a skip

[vapid jay]

oh so this specific one does not target first years ?

[jolly furnace]

dont think they are gonna get much applications

[vapid jay]

why?

[delicate bane]

what does postgraduate mean for you guys @chrome hamlet

[jolly furnace]

their targeted audience

[delicate bane]

ah

ok

[jolly furnace]

r not gonna want to do what they are posting

[delicate bane]

we call that graduate over here

[vapid jay]

i mean the "quals" that they have are pretty basic are they not?

[jolly furnace]

i mean they were requesting 3 yr undergrads

[vapid jay]

from where I am, that is usually the time people in college get internships anyway

[jolly furnace]

and i can guarentee that when ur in 3 yr undergrad u wont be just wanting to do ms office work

u would prob want an actual dev role

[vapid jay]

yeah i see what you mean

[jolly furnace]

like if i was looking for a job

and i saw that

i would just skip it

bc its not really helping u advance ur career

when ur already in 3rd yr

yeah node is popular

what is kinda weird

is they dont list what js libraries they are using

and what databases they are using

i do have a feeling its bc they are still planning

what they are using

yeah i would prob do the same

if they are using a tech stack i dont like

and they are not gonna pay much

i just skip

[vapid jay]

Why?

[jaunty mist]

Do college degree in btech CS degree are really trash because in every job I am seeing that they can be any degree

[jolly furnace]

yeah cuz they u wont like what ur doing

like what is happening to me rn

cuz i think i may have gotten trolled in the interview process

like they told me i was gonna use python

but im using typescript now

well its 2 more months left

and im supposed to get a working prototype out

yup

so productivity is kinda low

as u can tell rn

im on discord

O.O

[hearty island]

i mute everything on discord

that's why i respond late to people's DMs unless they ping me

[vapid jay]

Lol sorry for the pings daspecito

[hearty island]

nah it's all good

i'm just annoyed that my project fell through

[deep hatch]

I have done the custom status in bot part but it's not showing the status

[prisma marten]

can someone make something for me i got 11 dollars to spend xd

here's what i need :

i need a program that i can insert any amount of proxy's in and that it will open a website to each one of the proxy's, without being all open on my current pc (my pc can't handle 1000 chrome tabs with different proxy's), so bassicly a viewbot that goes to my own site that is connected to twitch (THIS IS LEGAL VIEWBOTTING) for anyone wondering

[dark lintel]

Hi, what would you do in this situation?
Basically, a CEO from San Francisco interviewed me for a Remote Jr. Engineer position. I live in Argentina. He looked interested and immediately sent an email with expected compensation and another questions I replied back the following day. Waited for 6 days, and sent another email yesterday. no answer yet
What should I do? I could schedule another interview if I wanted to but it'd rude, although he has lots of empty slots in his schedule
I'm applying for other jobs, but this is the the best one I found.

[vapid jay]

So he interviewed you, sent some information, and then ghosted you?

And you are debating whether you should schedule another interview with the CEO.

[dark lintel]

Yeah, basically that lol

[fluid thicket]

Sometimes they are busy and perhaps had no time to even read your message, I'd just keep applying for other positions and if you don't hear anything back in 2-3 days, I'd message them again telling that you are starting interviews with other companies and that you might become unavailable

[dark lintel]

Thanks @fluid thicket

[hearty island]

@dark lintel is this the same guy?

They either forgot or they don’t care

so move on and apply to other companies and once you get an offer tell them you got an offer somewhere else

[primal sandal]

Heyyyy

I'm in high school, and I just started python

Could u pls advise about what things should I start with?

[hearty island]

Ok do you know the basics?

By basics I mean !resources

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[hearty island]

do you know the stuff in automate the boring stuff?

[primal sandal]

I know a bit of selenium

I can open discord, login and then choose a server and type something

Though, I don't know what explicit wait😅

I just use time.sleep() for that....😅

Ik that it's not a good practice, but for the time being, it's working....

[hearty island]

Ok what have you made so far?

[primal sandal]

Hangman

Encoder and decoder

A modified MCQ quiz, instead of one correct answer.... U get points according to how close ur answer was

Rock paper scissors

[hearty island]

calculator?

[primal sandal]

I also know turtle

[primal sandal]

No, I don't know tkinter yet...

[hearty island]

Calculators are good

[primal sandal]

I'm thinking to do all the stuff on terminal first and then move on to tkinter, to make a user interface

[hearty island]

Oh my college made the GUI for us

[primal sandal]

I'm in grade 10😅

And python is my first text based coding language

[hearty island]

Ok what about games

[primal sandal]

What game should I make?

[hearty island]

Whatever you want

How about a game where you control a goalkeeper trying to save penalties

[primal sandal]

Wouldn't that require tkinter?

[hearty island]

No you can use pygame

[primal sandal]

I don't have any info abt pygame😅

I'll google it and will get back to u tom

Thanks a lot for ur help!! I'm really thankful!

[hearty island]

No problem

[spice drift]

hi guys, what do you think are the best projects to build for beginners that are interesting and will help me learn python the quickest?

[hearty island]

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

i'm in middle school and have been programming for a couple years now, what do people look for when hiring someone?

[hearty island]

@vapid jay good projects, decent grades, and your problem solving skills

basically applicable in all fields

of CS

[vapid jay]

what would be considered "good projects?"

[hearty island]

@vapid jay creative ones like !projects

!projecrs

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

ah

would a discord bot count?

[hearty island]

Ofc

[vapid jay]

ok

[hearty island]

Yep

[vapid jay]

thanks for the info

[hearty island]

any time

[vapid jay]

ik this sounds dumb but cant people lie about their projects

like just plagiarize some codes they found on stacksoverflow

[hearty island]

yes they can

like I just copy pasted an entire physics engine for a badminton game in pygame

I’m gonna add a menu and actual players to it maybe a background too

[jolly furnace]

u sure that physic engine isnt already a library

and u can do an import

[hearty island]

…

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-suicide-flip-jump-crash-gif-5140737

I will check that out after I work out

http://www.pymunk.org/en/latest/

this maybe

[faint bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cliff-jump-gif-6002411

[near ocean]

How do you plagiarize code

[vapid jay]

chill

dont roast me

;-;

[sand patio]

Copying code and saying its your own?

[near ocean]

Is copying a for loop plagiarism if you dont attribute it

[sand patio]

Hm

Copying licensed code?

[near ocean]

Copy right infringement and plagiarims are different

Is everyone who implemented a binary tree a plagiarist

[sand patio]

uh

well

no?

[hearty island]

siraj rival

[sand patio]

Lol

[hearty island]

that is my answer

do not do what siraj rival did

[golden tundra]

I would say you’d have to copy a significant amount of code

[hearty island]

as long as you don't do that

then you're good

whom'st has pinged me now

[near ocean]

I mean i dont know myself, im asking

[hearty island]

there was this thing in college

@near ocean do you know what MOSS is?

[sand patio]

Hm, you seem more right than I do

[near ocean]

Nop

[hearty island]

that's what my college used for plaigarism in code

[golden tundra]

I would think it’s a case by case system and depend on how important the code you copied is to your solution

[near ocean]

The uk has this trash system called turnitin

[hearty island]

it was part of UB's honor code

wait isn't turnitin just for essays?

we use that here in USA too

[near ocean]

You always got flagged by it

[golden tundra]

Like, if it’s homework and the homework is to write a for loop, copying a random for loop from the internet is plagiarism

[near ocean]

Even if its 2%

[sand patio]

Oof

[hearty island]

yeah turnitin is ass

[sand patio]

I remember plagiarizing an essay in 4th grade and getting a zero, and it wasnt even on purpose

[near ocean]

Idk man what about patterns

[sand patio]

All my friends laughed at me

[hearty island]

some teachers are more annoying w plaigarism than others

[near ocean]

What if you wanna make a flask app and youre using the factory pattern straight from the docs

[sand patio]

Hm

[hearty island]

F

[near ocean]

Do i have to attribute that code, am i plagiarising if i dont?

[sand patio]

I guess its not plagiarism then

[hearty island]

well interviewers don't straight up ask you to re code the project in front of them

[sand patio]

Mhm

[hearty island]

from my experience

the people at CUNA mutual group asked what i did in the process

[sand patio]

Ive never been to an interview :D

[hearty island]

i mean you can if you want to

you already have more experience w web dev than i do

i know high schoolers who do internships

[sand patio]

Im in middle school

[hearty island]

uhhhhh

once you're in high school then

are you in the US?

[sand patio]

Yes

Im in 8th grade

14 years old

[hearty island]

ok just asking bc opportunities are diff in diff paces

[sand patio]

Yeah

[hearty island]

yeah once you get to high school start applying for internships and summer programs

[sand patio]

Im planning to

[hearty island]

good stuff

[sand patio]

waot

wait

[hearty island]

wait what

i have a question

should i bother applying to unpaid internships?

even if it's just "good experience"

joshua fluke says do not do free work

just saying

and i agree

[meager oyster]

If it's unpaid do your own projects

[hearty island]

yeah i'm doing that

you mean do your projects instead?

or do the internship and do your own projects

[meager oyster]

do your own projects instead, don't do the unpaid internship

imo

[hearty island]

ok good bc that's what i thought

[meager oyster]

I got paid $500 a month for an internship, but since it was at least something I justified it as being better than working on my own stuff for a few months

[hearty island]

i will be more productive vibing here and doing my own projects

or getting a job

[meager oyster]

yeah

[hearty island]

than doing unpaid work

honestly

i would prefer a job that actually pays money

than some stupid free internship

my mom calls free internships slave labor

[meager oyster]

I mean, in the US I find it hard for a programming internship of any sort to be legal

Since technically unpaid internships are only legal if you're not providing any benefit to the company

[hearty island]

yeah i agree

[hearty island]

so the interns would be doing bitchwork

like some impossible thing and they'd be like oh yeah uh optimize this

[vapid jay]

Hmm. I have done a couple unpaid internships but they were mainly done to just boost my stock for college apps (since im still in hs). I don't think doing unpaid internships in college is really worth it.

[hearty island]

@vapid jay no I don’t think so either

[vapid jay]

Yeah, I feel like it would only be "worth it" if you really couldn't find any paid internships and you are nearing the end of your college, since it could provide some experience ig.

[hearty island]

companies know that “unpaid internships” are just bitchwork

the majority of them

like what is stopping those companies that offer you unpaid internships from making you get coffee for the workers

is there a single law or anything that requires unpaid internships to be productive and helpful to the student? No

[vapid jay]

hello are there any Indians here

who studied in fitjee 12th grade

[plush socket]

for being a software engineer is it stil alot of math or nah

[delicate bane]

vs what? its a lot of math vs like..high school

[hearty island]

@plush socket depends what you do in software engineering

[plush socket]

anything more than calculus and statistics

im trying to navigate some college websites but they are confusing as ever

[delicate bane]

then yes. its a lot

[primal sandal]

@vapid jay, I'm in India, and I'm going to be on the 10th grade next week...

[marsh wind]

There's only one valid answer here.
It depends. Web devs hardly use any math while game engine dev likely use fair amount of it

[reef thorn]

Why does every python job I see that's not connected to data science seek knowledge of atleast 3 other languages smh

[trail badger]

idk

just learn another one

you dont have to go deep into them

just dip ur toes into a functional language

or C

it will make you a better engineer

[dreamy patio]

d

dd

d

[gray anvil]

I just had the dumbest coding test, it was pnp mcq where all the questions were bad code

What's wrong with this code, no googling

Fkin hell

[vapid jay]

lol

but it's true

[gray anvil]

And they dragged me to an industrial estate on the other side of the city when their entire data team is in another country anyway and the work will probably be remote

[vapid jay]

hmm

[gray anvil]

Does testing for the ability to read bad code select only bad coders, sigh

The other test was a page long sql query with the most deliberately annoying aliasing, the with as aliases were c1 to c18, then the actual selects from the view were like

select distinct d1.c1 as c3
d1.c18 as c2
d1.c9 as c3

etc etc and like 15 group by clauses

"please interpret what table this would produce"

[trail badger]

lol sounds fun

is this an audition for a Bourne movie role

[gray anvil]

If only. It's just amateur hour

Coding tests on paper, honestly

I haven't written on anything that's not post it's or receipts in a year

[potent widget]

Hey everyone, self taught programmers

what was the first job you landed out of your 3-12 months of learning

what certs did you complete to get to that successful interview

[gray anvil]

Nice caldari? Pic

[potent widget]

thanks man

it

came straight from eve

[gray anvil]

I did a GA boot camp, but I'm in Asia and the paper matters more here

Not sure where you're from

[potent widget]

I live in Denmark, but im Australian

[gray anvil]

I got the horn of goondor a few months ago but I'm too busy for Internet spaceships anymore 😭

[potent widget]

I have just put my cowboy hat on and doing red dead online

[gray anvil]

Noice

What kind of role do you want though

[potent widget]

so far... I have finished 3 out of 4 Python certs on edX.org

I seem to love all aspects of python

so far

they are fundamental certs

next I'm going to explore and do a cert on SQL and databases.

then, I'm going to learn about AWS. it seems to be everywhere

[gray anvil]

Cool! I just did the Microsoft fundamentals equivalent for azure (az-900) and am doing a cert for a higher level data engineering competency over the next month (dp-203)

If you want to get into data engineering now is a good time

Pick any platform you like and get the certs, all the abstract concepts overlap and the rest is production related stuff like compliance or payment schedules

[potent widget]

how have you found the study for data engineering? Is it doable?

I have Django in mind too

[gray anvil]

When I first started out I tried to learn everything

[potent widget]

but i fee everyone does this... what platforms are best for data engineering?

[gray anvil]

But it might help you more to have a competency you want to develop and go as deep as you can in that field

[potent widget]

that's what I believe too

[gray anvil]

Getting breadth in adjacent disciplines is quite easy but that deep dive takes time

[potent widget]

every man and his dog seems to be a front end dev

[gray anvil]

Azure or aws are probably the most in demand though I'm not sure what the specifics of the EU

I used to live in London but that was ages ago and I wasn't in tech then

[potent widget]

I see alot of Asure requesting on job postings

and AWS

[gray anvil]

Honestly pick either and do the beginner and intermediate certs

If you need to do the other pivoting is easy the concepts are all the same

[potent widget]

cool

so start the beginner certs in AWS and Azure - what about data science certs? any recommmendations

[gray anvil]

Beginner you can bang out in two days, the azure data engineer cert I'm doing takes about 75-100 hours of study including finding real practise datasets to work on

[gray anvil]

Azure is az-900

[gray anvil]

I did a bootcamp with GA and data science is a bit trickier, you need a good understanding of traditional stats

I did econ in uni so it's easy for me, but some of my course mates failed

[potent widget]

okay my friend, thanks so much for the chat. I'll do some research on data science.

[gray anvil]

Sure, dm me if you have any questions

[mint imp]

Me reading this..
Also me : a 14 yr old who just know basic loops and stuff and don't understand anything u guys saying

[gray anvil]

No worries dude

When I was 14 I was goofing around on runescape

You're doing good for 14

[mint imp]

Thx..

What's ur age?

[gray anvil]

29

[mint imp]

Oh .

[potent widget]

when I was 35 I a high-functioning moron. don't worry little bro, you

going to do well in life

[mint imp]

Wow

[gray anvil]

✌️✌️✌️

[mint imp]

U guys are so big

[gray anvil]

Take it from the boomers

[mint imp]

Thx a lot ..

[mint imp]

Thx a lot*

Wrong line selected never mind

[mint imp]

[gray anvil]

Slowly build up skills and experience, and try to have some idea of what you want to do by maybe 16-17

[mint imp]

What languages are needed for becoming a game developer

[mint imp]

I wanna become a game developer

Like there are 4-5 kinds of game developer

I wanna be a game programmer

[gray anvil]

Try learning java and making mods for games you enjoy, that's a good start

Like I'm trying to make a mod for slay the spire now

Some game devs are working in engines like unity so it's more important to have a general portfolio you can talk about that any one language in particular

[mint imp]

Ohh

[gray anvil]

You can also try making simple mobile games

Like flappy bird is astonishingly simple code wise and that dude still made bank

[mint imp]

Nice

Thx for the tips

I still can't understand what Python is used for

Nor can understand what data scientist do ..

[gray anvil]

It has a lot of libraries and a good community, once you know what you want to do you learn the appropriate library and go ham

[mint imp]

What's ham

[gray anvil]

Still using the basic python syntax you've been learning

[mint imp]

Ok..

[gray anvil]

Er, go nuts, etc

A lot of websites are built on python webapps

I think Airbnb is made with django