#career-advice

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unkempt willow
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I meant form your own point of view, what do you think is the best curriuculam, what would it be if you made a one

hexed zealot
vapid jay
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hey lads

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Im looking for a career in Data Science

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any tips?

sand veldt
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There are some in pinned

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I'd start there

stark oracle
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Hello, Im kindof new to python code, I have used it once and it was pretty lit, 1 question will people mainly use python code?

white sinew
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is anyone an electrical engineer

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here

white sinew
stark oracle
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k

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Lol

white sinew
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python is a great language and is very popular atm

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though to answer the question

fallow osprey
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@stark oracle python is very popular and powerful and case sensitive language

stark oracle
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ok thanks 🙂

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pls stop pinging me also

fallow osprey
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@stark oracle I am not pinging you

stark oracle
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umm k

fallow osprey
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Is it necessary to import tk for making log in page

white sinew
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technically you did ping them

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when you said you didnt

stark oracle
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I dont mind lol

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just in school

delicate bane
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data professor's YT if youre doing a career change. he went from biologist to DS

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tina huang if you want comedy with your DS

delicate bane
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my favorite video so far has been when she talked about her internship at Goldman Sachs

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as a member of the "engineering team"

spice drift
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hi im new here, my names Ronan and i'm from the UK, just wanted to ask in your experience how long it takes to learn python, develop a portfolio and get a job ? I've been studying python on the side for a couple months now while at uni. I know its a vague question but just let me know your opinion

delicate bane
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if youre still in uni, you should try and get a few internships

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while you can

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itll make your job hunting easier later on

spice drift
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yeh that's my plan next year, im studying physics and apparently the combination of physics and python in the finance industry is a good one

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in terms of learning python to a decent level tho how long would you guys say it takes ?

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thanks thats a good idea, what projects are you doing atm ?

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that sounds exciting tbf, i want to get into ML as soon as possible, i've joined the programming society at my uni aswell but its not very active cuz of corona. Right now I don't have the full stack skills to produce a web app but i really want to so i've started using bubble.com to make an MVP for my idea, its basically a science based life planning app for young men to get there life together

tight notch
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Hi guys. Do you know about any quality Data analysis course out there for free? I will be starting at Dell as Data Analyst intern for pricing so I would like to learn as much as I can prior to the job.

spice drift
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thanks i feel like it could save a few lives

lavish wing
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hi

delicate bane
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if you REALLY want to get into it ASAP, assuming you have basic python skills, check this blog out: https://machinelearningmastery.com/python-machine-learning-mini-course/

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highly recommended

vapid jay
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thanks

versed pawn
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How much do game programmers make?

little trellis
queen barn
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I really need an internship ASAP! how can i improve my application

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with little experience.

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the most I've done is web dev. with django

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and some tableau

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and soome numpy and pandas work

marble linden
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hey i'm currently a freshman i'm wanting to do cyber security as a career. Is there anyway i can hone my skills while i wait for college? so far i'm pretty good at python I've practiced on my own time for about a year now.

delicate bane
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they do expect you to have some familiarity with AI i think

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jk i think those are the actual jobs.

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maybe just working with big data? i cant remember

quick olive
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Hi can you help me, I want program a video game

coarse mural
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Hi, I had a phone call with an HR of a firm, she said I would have to pay at-least 60,000 rupees as security deposit for getting a job as a Software Developer Trainee.

I have four questions:

  1. Is it Legal lol? (asking me money for working for them)
  2. Have you heard of this incident before?
  3. Is it legal to share the call recording of that HR and Me on the internet for public info? (I did not sign agreement)
  4. What should a dev do in this case in your opinion?
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lol yes! That's what bugged me, I told her that If I had that much money rn, I wouldn't be talking to her lol

near ocean
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i've seen these schemes around

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they basically tell you that they'll train you and that training costs a certain amount which you'll have to pay for by the end and then they match you with an employer

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usually its a 2year contract and if you leave early you'll have to pay the full cost of the training

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they're super shady and i would not advise you to continue with them

twilit zealot
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where can I learn Python

near ocean
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!resources

inner wrenBOT
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unique scarab
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Would you say that it's worth getting some python certification? I'd say that I'm fairly comfortable with python, but I'm not sure if paying for some certification is actually worth it for my career?

minor thicket
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Hello I'm new to the server, and I was wondering if you guys had any tips for a Junior in highschool that wants to study computer science? I'm from Texas if that matters haha.

ocean ledge
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@unique scarab no, they never are @minor thicket comp sci? learn math-- if you're just talking programming, pick up any of a billion books on "intro to python" at your local library and start working through it

minor thicket
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thanks!

hot estuary
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any tips for a technical interview?

coarse mural
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indeed!

pale shadow
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practice beforehand

coarse mural
thin crescent
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Hey! Needed some advice regarding learning python.

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Which free resource would you guys recommend?

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I m confused between w3, codeacademy and codecamp?

hot estuary
gaunt pendant
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Codecademy is good but with the free subscription u get only python 2

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Pyhton 3 requires a pro subscription

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Which costs like 25$ per month ig

thin crescent
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I plan to audit the specialisation on Coursera and get the certificate after few courses are complete.

thin crescent
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thin crescent
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I agree with that advice. I just need some certificates to back me up. Just in case.

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Thank you

proud shore
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Hi I want to learn python where should I go?

near ocean
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!resources @proud shore

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shy trench
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Hey guys

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I failed to find a job

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So I started freelancing

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Can anyone help me or give me any tips to start and get my very first client?

velvet stream
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sticking with what you know doesn't mean being complacent with your skill set, just don't bite off more than you can chew at first

shy trench
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Does it take too long from clients to answer me? Or they don't like my proposals?

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Can anybody tell me how to make good proposals? So I can get my first client

graceful aurora
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does any one now how you can earn money using your python programming skills?

vapid jay
dense mesa
bold mist
trim swift
delicate bane
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ye sounds super sketch

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i had a couple emails offering me to work as a direct sales person for a "marketing firm"

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i was like nope. sounded super pyramid schemy to me

near ocean
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My sister got an offer to work in a similar position

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The catch was that she would get paid on commission and not a salary

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Instant drop of offer lmao

delicate bane
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on the flip side, im like 'dont you guys have better things to do than prey on people looking for jobs?'.

man, i was so excited when it said i got an interview too (in the subject line) only to be disappointed when i read the email

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stuff like that makes me want to do the 21st century equivalent of wishing a blight upon their crops

feral slate
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i created a server to programming,grapic designing and gaming

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if you like to join

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leave me a massage

winged storm
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What do data analysts do?

vernal turret
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Analyze data

wheat hatch
# winged storm What do data analysts do?

Usually you are shuffling and restructuring various data streams into data analysis frameworks. You might also do various forms of visualizations of the output from said frameworks. If you are interested in data science and data analysis I would recommend checking out scipy, which is a collection of data science frameworks for python. I would also recommend checking out kaggle.com which is a website containing a large number of open source datasets.

delicate bane
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they say data engineering jobs are more in demand rn

high crane
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pan

delicate bane
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as companies try to move their data to the cloud

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very good job if youre good at writing python scripts

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@winged storm

proper vigil
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so

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can i while loop input?

faint pine
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Hi

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I'm going to finish school this year

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and I have studied Python for 2 years

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I've done 2 certification from udemy

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my github is

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Most of my projects is there

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I've done 5 months work experience at a software company

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heres some of my live projects

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Do you guys think i'm job ready

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If not what do you recommend me to focus on or study

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Thank you in advance!

nimble gate
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what jobs can you get with programming?

raw token
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idk

nimble gate
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wow

raw token
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i am not a admin

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i am a programmer

dense mesa
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@faint pine your linkedin seems a bit disingenuous

livid lion
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hi

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hello

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hoija

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how can i be programmmer

nimble gate
livid lion
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@summer raptor

faint pine
dense mesa
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@nimble gate theres many many many jobs that you'd be doing programming for, across many industries. What did you have in mind

dense mesa
faint pine
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Ohh haha

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Yah thought it wouldn't be formal

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So better description

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Can I have a look at your LinkedIn account please

dense mesa
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There are many guides online :)

nimble gate
dense mesa
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@nimble gate what experience do you have already

nimble gate
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I use python

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and am practicing pygame rn

dense mesa
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Just keep learning python

lavish wing
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how long to master all basics

nimble gate
slim tusk
delicate bane
calm rune
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$PNT (whatever)

near ocean
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what does that even mean

wooden elm
# lavish wing how long to master all basics

depends what u already know
if u did something similar to python then learning it is gonna be ez
if u studied some other programming language its gonna be slightly harder, but not too much
if u studied mathematics or engineering or anything using more logic than normal days work or something itll be easier for you than starting from scratch
if u studied art or something before this, or history or literature or something, itll be slightly harder to get the logic - usually
if u have not used a computer that much then ull be confused on how to even download required software

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and it obviously also depends on the amount time u r willing to put in and on your interests/goal

wooden elm
# nimble gate none. I'm 11. I just want examples

eyyy nice
i read through your code for flappy bird and even if it may be just an example, its pretty impressive that u r willing to learn this much at just 11
for now, just learn what u like. Its good to think about career and keep a goal, but even more so is finding what u love to do
just learn whatever as much as what u like rn so that you dont regret not doing it later when you grow, and also dont be hesitant in trying to learn things outside your comfort zone.

delicate bane
craggy elm
# lavish wing how long to master all basics

nobody is going to be able to answer a question like this because software engineering doesnt exist in a vacuum.

if you want to develop websites, then research the basics of web development. if you want to do stuff with microcontrollers, then research the basics of microcontroller programming. etc.

boreal tide
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Hey guys I was hoping to get your opinions on grad school. I am graduating in statistics for undergrad and have been really worried about grad school. I have had several internships working as a business analyst in tech but I have no research experience or publications. How important are they if I intend to pursue a stats/data science or CS degree?

vapid jay
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s

jolly furnace
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from what ive heard doing an undergrad honors thesis

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is really good for grad school

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but i cant confirm as im not in grad school

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idk wtf is golden software

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i feel lots of ppl r looking for dev roles

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or they r those ppl who wanna do data sci

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i just clicked on that

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and it led me to a customer service job

dry sapphire
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how are you related to them

jolly furnace
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i think the only thing open was a customer service job

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lmao ur like promoting them super hard

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seems kinda sus

delicate bane
smoky quest
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don't really care about your gpa or gre though. I only care about how you can get shit done and if you can answer my interview questions

cedar urchin
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yo, i'm 16, looking for a job, how can i

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get one

faint pine
cedar urchin
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noice

faint pine
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I guess freelance

calm rune
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$PNT (hey)

nimble gate
crisp mirage
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Anyone doing freelance?

cedar urchin
vapid jay
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hi!~ does anyone here work in biotech??

dense mesa
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@vapid jay I know some people yes

vapid jay
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very cool! that's what i do, and im looking for people to connect with to ask coding questions to!

dense mesa
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What kinda questions do you have? My cousin graduated in bioengineering so I've been helping her a bit

delicate bane
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i considered doing biomedical engineering as a concentration but i dont think i like hardware as much

dense mesa
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That's more for medical device design

delicate bane
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i think thats what my program focuses on

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that and wearables

delicate bane
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also i think im going to do a concentration in Computational Linguistics/NLP

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i think its cool

winged storm
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Anyone know any high quality resources to improve SQL abilities? I don't mind if its payed

inner wrenBOT
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tame heath
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Hey guys Im 16 yo and have currently 1.5 years experience with python programming. I think I can say Im pretty intermediate with python programming and have some c++ knowledge too.
I was curious if there is a way for me to get paid already at my young age for some software development. Do you guys have any suggestions?

near ocean
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You could do freelancing or try to score an internship

tame heath
near ocean
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Theres fiverr, upwork

tame heath
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thanks, ill try to shoot my shot there

delicate bane
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pretty comprehensive

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esp if you like the oreilly series

true harness
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while funny, that is not on topic

sacred needle
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Hey everyone, did anyone find remote work using stack overflow job search ? thanks a lot for sharing

turbid silo
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guys,do you recommend using protonmail for github,linkden for the job?

buoyant raft
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there is no reason not to

turbid silo
buoyant raft
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you can use everything serious

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gmail, gmx, outlook

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there are instances where it could matter

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like, if you apply at some open source python job like

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i don't know let's say you wanted a job at a special company like that i'd use proton

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at google i'd use gmail

worn ermine
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Do you guys think network engineering is a good career choice

spring obsidian
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hi

modern skiff
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hi

strange nova
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Hi guys!
I am kanika i'm pursuing post graduation in Economics. I have started learning python and it's use of libraries like Pandas, Numpy, Seaborn, Matplotlib.
Any suggestion as to what i should learn next, given i want to work in the finance domain.

Any help will be appreciated.

buoyant raft
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read channel description

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@rancid barn

dense mesa
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@rancid barn this is against the rules

buoyant raft
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weird question but how hard it is to get a software engineering/developing job in the US if you have no university/college degree but work experience

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like, for a european

rancid barn
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alright. my fault

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ill delete

shadow moss
buoyant raft
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but i do have work experience

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about 4 years as software engineer

shadow moss
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Almost zero, without a degree, getting visa for you will be next to impossible

buoyant raft
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huh

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why so?

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ik in our compnay here less than half of devs went to university, and like a third of those didn't even do computer stuff

shadow moss
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Our immigration laws, also, most companies don't bring over Europeans unless they have some specialized skill, it's cheaper for company to pick someone from India or like

buoyant raft
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rip the US

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well, i might as well go to university

shadow moss
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even then

buoyant raft
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so a masters in [programming thing idk which one yet] on university, not college, will still make it hard to move to the us?

shadow moss
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you have better chance

buoyant raft
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but while on the topic, what should i study?

shadow moss
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but it's still pretty slim

buoyant raft
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software engineering? computer science?

shadow moss
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Depending on your country, you could try for Diversity Lottery

buoyant raft
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nuh

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unless alp people count towards diversity

shadow moss
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What country?

buoyant raft
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germany

shadow moss
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Germany is eligible for US diversity lottery

buoyant raft
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what

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huh

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i wouldn't have thought that

shadow moss
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it's pretty hard to get it

buoyant raft
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its called lottery so i figured

shadow moss
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In any case, to immigrate to US, your paths are, work for multinational, get them to claim you needed in US and send you here. Get Work Visa (H-1B being most common) which are hard enough and mostly go to India as US companies mostly use it as source for cheaper labor but if you are truly skilled enough, a company might apply for it.

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If you have family in US, chain migrate or marry an American

buoyant raft
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you single? (;

shadow moss
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no

buoyant raft
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aw

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well then i guess university it is

shadow moss
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Even with University, your chances are pretty low

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most companies just open European branch and hire Europeans to it

buoyant raft
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it's not like i NEED to move to the US, was just a thought i had

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i wouldn't take a job that doesn't offer the same benefits as a company here anyway so

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it would be hard

shadow moss
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like my large company has offices in Ireland/UK/Spain. We rarely bring Europeans over, just hire them into one of the three

buoyant raft
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like full healthcare, 30 days of holiday, partially payed parental leave for one year, 13 paid months per year

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idk i feel like this is rare in the US

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like, not rare, but harder to get

shadow moss
buoyant raft
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not at all?

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none of that?

shadow moss
buoyant raft
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hm?

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i mean at least taxes would be lower ig lmao

shadow moss
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it's less then you think

buoyant raft
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i pay now almost 50%

cerulean rampart
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whos joe

wild sluice
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How do I get away from Upwork? 99% of my freelance jobs have been through upwork and the past year with the influx of new programmers, project budgets have gone down and requirements have gone up. How/where do I find my own clients outside of a platform?

buoyant raft
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i think that is a global problem

scenic granite
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hello

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i need a little help

jolly furnace
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@scenic granite quite sure while is not capital?

scenic granite
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oh bro yes it is this

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it is a big think for me this beacuse i work here 2 hours and iam new 💝 and i love to much python

jolly furnace
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also print should be print()

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but ur string inside the ()

scenic granite
jolly furnace
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thats from a website

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i took a screen shot

scenic granite
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aaa lets doit me this

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i have a old book for python

jolly furnace
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lmao is ur book on python2

scenic granite
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name Python Programming,Third edition

jolly furnace
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bc python2 to python3 has alot of breaking changes

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i have a feeling ur book is on python2

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bc print is a function

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and the way ur using print looks very much like python2

scenic granite
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yes the book it is old

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python 2

inner wrenBOT
jolly furnace
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ur using python3

scenic granite
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i finished

jolly furnace
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also dont reccommend using python2

scenic granite
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my frinde reccommend this book

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he say me it is a good book for beginner

jolly furnace
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um maybe ur friend meant the one thats updated for python3

scenic granite
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maybe

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i dont now iam a beginner

jolly furnace
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holy sht its 2003

scenic granite
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yes and by MICHAEL DAWSON

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Word Jumble

The computer picks a random word and then "jumbles" it

The player has to guess the original word

Arglin Zogu - 1/28/03/

import random

create a sequenc of words to choose from

WORDS = ("python", "jumble", "easy", "difficult", "answer", "xylophone")

pick one word randomly from thee sequence

word = (random.choice(WORDS))

create a variable to use later to see if the guess is correct

correct = word

create a jumbled verios of the word

jumble = ""

while word:
position = random.randrange(len(word))
jumble += word[position]

word = word[:position] + word[(position + 1):]

Start the game

print ()
"""
Welcome to word Jumble!

Unscramble the letters to make a word.

(Press the enter key at the prompt to quit.)
"""
Print("the jumble is:", jumble)

guess = input("\nYour guess: ")
guess = guess.lower()
while (guess != correct) and (guess != ""):
print("Sorry,that's not it.")
guess = input("Your guess: ")
guess = guess.lower()
if guess == correct:
print("That's it! You guessed it!\n")

print("Thanks for playing.")

input("\n\nPress the enter to exit.")

jolly furnace
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well the thing is

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lots of the content in there is outdated

scenic granite
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YES lots of content

jolly furnace
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i would reccommend seeing if there is a version that is much newer

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sth for python3

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i mean another way is for you to download python2

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and continue to use the book

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but i think finding a python3 version is much better

scenic granite
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i will test my self to work with this book in the python 3

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just to start the beginners

vapid jay
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Can I be a game tester

violet sky
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How doable would it be to get into the tech world as a software engineer or dev with a physics degree?

dense mesa
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@violet sky I'm trying to do the same with Engineering, have found a pretty good method

violet sky
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wondering I should just transfer to eng or compsci

full maple
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is there a pronunciation tool for website for example when you press on the website logo you can hear the name pronounced ?

dense mesa
violet sky
dense mesa
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How many years have you done and how many do you have left

violet sky
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1.5 years in

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2.5 more

jolly furnace
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eh u can prob transfer

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but the question is do u really want to invest more time in school

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bc ur gonna need to take the intro courses again

violet sky
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that's a good point, i'm already 22

jolly furnace
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and lots of intro courses are weeder courses

proud shore
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Hi Im 15 and want to learn to code python for a living should I start now or wait

jolly furnace
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ie they are gatekeeper ish

violet sky
proud shore
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I have Pycharm and Py downloaded

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what should I do now

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any projects?

dense mesa
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@violet sky just finish your degree while learning SWE

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That's what I'm doing

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No need to transfer or waste time

violet sky
dense mesa
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The Pragmatic Programmer, daily programming challenges and a module on Systems and Software Principles

rancid sedge
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hey guys is it normal for agents who find job to ask selfi with driver license on it? it looks scam to me, but catch is their site and email and connectin are all looks very professional

shadow moss
golden tundra
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Are you talking about recruiters? If so, I agree with Rabbit - that sounds extremely sketchy for the US

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I suspect that’s sketchy for most countries that are similar to the US too

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I can’t imagine why they’d do that unless they have an epidemic of candidates who are lying about their identities

rancid sedge
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he said that they have processed many candidates and after all process done they were someone else

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yeah it's US, this is the first time that someone request to me

golden tundra
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Also, what if you go by a nickname? That would hardly prove anything
If I’m Leanne Smith and go by Lee Smith, then my resume might just say Lee Smith, how does a driver’s license of Leanne prove the resume belongs to me? I’m sure there’s a million Lee Smiths

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Actually
They asked for a selfie of you and your driver’s license
Not even of your resume

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That doesn’t prove anything!

bold pagoda
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@subre

golden tundra
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You could steal a photo off the internet and just change the name on your resume to match

bold pagoda
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its deffiently normal lol

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they need to prove you are who you say you are

golden tundra
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I’ve never heard of that and that sounds absolutely sketch

bold pagoda
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how old are u

rancid sedge
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this the first time I heared this, and this is the first recruiter that asked me this

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i'm 34

bold pagoda
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well dont they need proof of identication?

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for example if u get hired u would have to fill out a w2 form

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if u live in the us

golden tundra
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That’s only if you get hired though
Technically speaking, there’s no need to provide proof of identity till that stage

bold pagoda
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if u dont want to do it then dont do it

rancid sedge
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yeah that is fine, but this is just starting of the conversation where they send my resume details to main compnay as tehy are recruiter

bold pagoda
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That makes sense though imo

golden tundra
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It doesn’t to me
What exactly are they guarding against?

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A lie about your legal name?

bold pagoda
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lieing against your age

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and name

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and who you are

rancid sedge
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but should they not do it while signing contracts not while they shortlist you?

golden tundra
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Isn’t that the point of the background check?

bold pagoda
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u cant background check someone if you dont know who they are lmao

golden tundra
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No one background checks every candidate before you even make it past the first round!

bold pagoda
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depends

golden tundra
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And also
Wouldn’t they know who a candidate is because the candidate gave them their name and details

rancid sedge
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to background check there is many way, linkedin, your resume, in linkedin your their with alot of connections isn't that enough?

golden tundra
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I’ve always had to fill in stuff like social security number for background checks

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And what about non-intuitive nicknames? I’ve known several people with those.
There’s a lot of countries that have very common surnames. For instance, Singh is very common, Lee is very common, Kim is very common

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The first name becomes a non deteminator. The last name is common. Driver license photos always suck

bold pagoda
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drivers license also has date of birth so u cant fake ur age

golden tundra
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Literally what does the age matter as long as you’re old enough to work for them
I’d be a lot more concerned about things like work permissions

near ocean
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You guys include photos on your cvs?

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Sounds like an objectively bad move tbh

golden tundra
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Actually, it’s admittedly been a while, don’t even think most of my applications asked about my birthdate. They just asked me to verify that I’m older than 18 and eligible to work in the US. Who cares about how the fck old I am

golden tundra
bold pagoda
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@golden tundra well its to check if ur 18

golden tundra
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You’re just asking for potential discrimination issues

bold pagoda
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also why do you think that

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lmao

golden tundra
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Because then they can see your race and gender presentation, approximate age, and will probably make subconscious if not conscious judgments about you

near ocean
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Lmao i dont even put my address on my cv for that reason

golden tundra
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Not to mention

bold pagoda
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i mean there are deffiently some

rancid sedge
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hmm, what about hidding everyting else but name and DOB be visible

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i'm really not sure why they want but still can hide some stuff

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my concern is Idenitiy theft, as I see some articles going around internet

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some using that to open account etc

near ocean
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Technically none of that should even matter, age is a protected characteristic and you could argue that a name can suggest an ethnicity

golden tundra
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How would they do a full time job and school work
Most teens would still be in school. A minority have dropped out
Enough to make everyone require a fcking driver’s license selfie?

golden tundra
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I can fcking testify

near ocean
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Your cv should include your name, your email, your github, your linkedin, thats it

golden tundra
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Technically doesn’t matter a damn

swift veldt
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be HR, looking at age on the resume
be HR, bin the resume cuz the applicant of course doesn't have enough XP

golden tundra
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Let’s say your name is Harper Lee. Lee can be a Caucasian, Chinese, or Korean surname

swift veldt
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Follow this simple rule: HR is not your friend

golden tundra
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Just the name doesn’t necessarily imply things

swift veldt
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don't give them sticks to get yourself beaten with.

golden tundra
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Or nicknames
There’s a lot of Black people who’d pick up a “white” version of their name to make themselves more marketable

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So DeMarcus might put Marcus on his resume

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A photo loses that ambiguity

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Quite frankly, most companies probably don’t WANT a photo

swift veldt
golden tundra
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Because they know that opens them up to potential discrimination and thus lawsuits

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It works out better for both of them if DeMarcus doesn’t include a photo because DeMarcus loses subconscious bias against his name and the company can argue they didn’t know he’s Black if his resume is passed over to defend themselves legally against racism claims

golden tundra
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All you said is that their website and such looks legit

rancid sedge
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why I hesitated was that this is first time some recruter ask me this, either they don't belive in my skill or something as the country that I came from is an asia contry not famous for talent but violence

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all I could of is that what I write in my resume he don't trust it hmmm

golden tundra
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Oh hey, fellow Asian

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For the record, I’ve never heard of this either

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It’s never happened to me

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To be honest, I would think this is some way of checking your work authorization if it weren’t your driver’s license, I don’t think that makes sense, I’m pretty sure people without permanent sponsorship can hold driver’s licenses

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But most of the job hiring crap I came across was people thinking I didn’t have work authorization for being Asian

rancid sedge
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I think I would just hide sensitive information and share, name and DOB visible only , address and number all to be removed

golden tundra
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Rather than that

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If you really want to proceed

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I’d ask what information they need from your license first and censor everything else

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If they don’t need your DOB, don’t give it to them

rancid sedge
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my DOB is already in my resume and name also

golden tundra
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Honestly, you probably shouldn’t put your DOB on there

jolly furnace
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from where i am that kinda personal stuff is not allowed to be asked

golden tundra
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You don’t want that much personal info about you floating on the web.
I uploaded a copy of my resume to what I thought was a legit recruiting site and subsequently got spammed hard

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Unfortunately, it had my address on it

minor wave
golden tundra
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DOB is what’s needed to pick up prescriptions for someone, at least where I live, for instance

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I think it’s probably some security questions too

jolly furnace
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age should not be asked

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all what they need to know is that if its legal for you to work full time

golden tundra
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So I really don’t recommend leaving it on a document that might be passing hands to people you don’t know

jolly furnace
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usually that is a tick box

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in online applications

golden tundra
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Yes, Baguette, I agree

jolly furnace
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otherwise that is opening it up for age discrimination and such

golden tundra
jolly furnace
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being forced to supply those fields is just suspect

golden tundra
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I’ve had applications ask me asinine things but they were usually just snooty things like

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“What were your SAT scores?”

jolly furnace
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personal info like gender and such are not required

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if they do have that field there is usually an option to say i prefer not to say

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honestly sending a picture of id for a job in north america sounds suspect

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even government jobs in applications dont have you sending an piece of id

golden tundra
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I had to supply a license/passport number for job verification for my background check, but for the background check

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Although
For the record, I should note that in some Asian countries, a photograph on your resume is the norm, and it’s possible subzero is from one.

jolly furnace
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the thing is the background check is not done in the application

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like the initial application

golden tundra
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Right

jolly furnace
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but rather later on

golden tundra
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That’s what I’ve been saying

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Chukko keeps contradicting me but

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I think Chukko is a student and I’m unsure how much actual experience they have

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In short @rancid sedge - this sounds incredibly sketchy

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Please be very careful

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I’ve only ever been asked to submit a photo of identification for I-9 verification after starting work

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Including after the background check

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And only because the HR people weren’t located in the same state as me, otherwise, I think they’d want me to actually physically bring in and show them my ID

dense mesa
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@bold pagoda please stop giving misinformation

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An employer is gonna know if you're 18 or not, they're definitely not doing this to check age

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Which is a protected characteristic in most parts of the world I believe

hearty island
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i remember for my internship some company asked for a copy of my ID

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and my parents said hell no

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saying that they would steal my identity or something

golden tundra
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I don’t think that’s a problem

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But not until my first day of work

golden tundra
# dense mesa An employer is gonna know if you're 18 or not, they're definitely not doing this...

Not to mention, most people under 18 wouldn’t even be able to work a full time job. Most of those people would be in school. I tried telling Chukko that that an epidemic of underaged people applying to full time jobs is incredibly improbable, but they just . . . didn’t listen? It was extremely frustrating
They kept saying stuff like “it would make sense” and “well how do they they background check you without knowing who you are” (answer: you give them your name and some info like your school and address etc? Not a copy of your ID? And still not this early on?) and to me, Chukko’s responses spoke to a real ignorance of how the process actually functions

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I’m moderately concerned that subzero may have been influenced by Chukko’s insistence that this was normal even though Rabbit and I both said it didn’t sound right early on and more chimed in later

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That kind of advice has the potential for real harm, not just a lost job

dense mesa
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@rancid sedge please say you didn't send anything

dense mesa
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I'm not a lawyer, but employees only need your identity for tax purposes usually, as well as confirming you have the right to work

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A recruiter should not be requesting this information

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Simple as

golden tundra
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I think Chukko’s advice is actively irresponsible, honestly

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And at worst dangerous

dense mesa
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Yes

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100%

delicate bane
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i got a bunch of emails recently asking to schedule an interview. and i was like...i never applied to this job/position...

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sounds sus

golden tundra
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I’m still struggling to figure out exactly how legit recruiters were allegedly deceived by enough people that they would put this rule into place

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What was the lie?

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90% of identity deceptions wouldn’t be resolved by a driver’s license selfie

true harness
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wouldn't all those problems just be solved by an in person interview

golden tundra
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Covid

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And if someone’s lying about their name on an application - only the most incompetent criminals wouldn’t have prepared some kind of false identification to back them up

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Name deceptions wouldn’t be resolved by in person either

dense mesa
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@rancid sedge this is the danger of doing due diligence by asking random people on the internet

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Because these random people end up being 14 year olds who know absolutely nothing and may put you into a worse situation

golden tundra
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But I feel like if someone did a name deception and planned to be hired under that name, they probably would’ve prepared a fake ID.

delicate bane
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would someone really go through all the trouble?

true harness
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what's the goal of using a fake name though?

delicate bane
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whats the point?

golden tundra
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Please specify the “they” to avoid ambiguity, do you mean you’ve actually heard of recruiting companies doing a background check or hiring companies?

delicate bane
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hiring companies

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but those are obv companies like government ones or defense contractors

golden tundra
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Then please edit
Sorry, I don’t want to be nitpicky, but this entire conversation has been about trying to dispel the notion that recruiting companies might reasonably do something like that

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I really don’t want anyone to get the wrong idea

delicate bane
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i can just delete it

golden tundra
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Particularly since subzero seems to be a non native English speaker

delicate bane
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no worries

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nothing much of value from me anyways DoggoKek

golden tundra
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And to go back to the fake name thing, I doubt a lot of people are doing it, but I’m sure a couple of people have tried fake names in order to dodge, for instance, a criminal record

rancid sedge
rancid sedge
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like I can remove information from the card

delicate bane
golden tundra
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I’m going to be honest
Unless you are quite desperate
This just seems too risky to me

delicate bane
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im scared for you. at least thats my gut reaction

golden tundra
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Was the lie age? Name?

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Why does it have to be a driver’s license and not, I dunno, student ID? (If you have one)

rancid sedge
# golden tundra Was the lie age? Name?

someone send them information from someone else, and at last stage they just asked for sponsorship with different person, actual phone interview and inforation was from someone else

golden tundra
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And that happened multiple times?

rancid sedge
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as per him two times, since then they have this policy

golden tundra
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Two times doesn’t sound like enough for such a red flag policy

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Why wouldn’t a video call with cameras on and your image clearly matching a well-fleshed out LinkedIn be enough for initial verification?

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I can see a need for some initial verification, but this seems like escalating way too fast

rancid sedge
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that is why I didn't send it to him though, as I wanted to ask here thought might be normal in some cases

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because a quick google showed me alot of identity theft with such information

golden tundra
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I’m glad you did because I think the nearly unanimous conclusion is that it’s absolutely not normal

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The only dissent has been from someone who said they’re in school

rancid sedge
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Thanks @golden tundra you did give alot of information

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and thanks from everyone with feedback

golden tundra
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I’m glad it helped

dense mesa
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@bold pagoda I'm interested to hear your experiences with recruiters if you're giving this advice to people

rancid sedge
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@dense mesa Chukko looks like kid atleast on his twitter I saw so I didn't take him seriousely

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he looks under age

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if the profile picture he put is his own lol, atleast he Hashtag it as his own

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lol

dense mesa
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<@&267629731250176001> I sent a modmail about 30 minutes ago and this misinformation is still up, any updates?

rancid sedge
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What do you do now?

obtuse thorn
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!pban 731591304647147631

inner wrenBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @wary coyote permanently.

obtuse thorn
# bold pagoda its deffiently normal lol

I realize this is old, but I would just like to clear things up regarding this conversation.

NO it is NOT normal for a recruiter to ask for picture of a drivers license and a selfie. This is very odd behavior and likely a scam. The only time you should be asked to prove your identification is if you have already been considered hired and had your interview with the hiring manager. I realize it is difficult with covid now, as there needs to be discretion as to when it is appropriate to give them your personal information.

But you should only be giving away that information when

1. You know you are actually hired
2.You trust the company
3. You trust that who you have spoken to does actually work for that trusted company.
golden tundra
# rancid sedge What do you do now?

Just saw this, sorry
If you’re looking to salvage this, my recommendation would be saying you’re not comfortable providing a copy of your government ID to recruiters, particularly this early in the process, and ask if there’s something else you could do to verify your identity to their satisfaction

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If you’re so turned off by this behavior (which is at least scam-like if not an actual scam) that you don’t want to continue with them since that makes them look fishy overall, I’d say to tell them that you’re no longer interested in continuing any opportunities with them because asking for gov ID so early in the process raises red flags to you

bold pagoda
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@obtuse thorn how would someone scam you with a picture of your drivers license

obtuse thorn
hexed zealot
golden tundra
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For instance, their I-9 verification

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(Hopefully, à decent company would’ve done other things to establish the scammer actually lived at their alleged address and whatnot though)

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Still, that’s just one example of something a driver’s license photo could be used to fake

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Other things include, for instance, “proving” your identity to someone online so any blame for whatever they do next falls on the wrong person

queen barn
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any advice on landing my first job / internship ! im struggling lol

jolly furnace
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idk

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the first one is always rough

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just keep applying lmao

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like im doing one rn

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its also my first one too @queen barn

golden tundra
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You should probably specify the country in which you’re looking for a job

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And also your status (year of school, fresh grad, etc)

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Advice is going to change depending on those two factors

untold egret
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Hi guys. I have done with beginner to intermediate python. How can I use this knowledge to make some money ? I lost my job in covid and looking to earn some, even small amount is fine..to survive.
I am decent in writing also but blogs don't help much. There are a lot out there.

lean hazel
untold egret
ocean ledge
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unless your python skills are above the average indian developer, it'll be a stretch getting a job in it

lean hazel
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yeah

onyx steeple
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how do you host your python projects so you ccan link it on your linkedin profiles for recruiters to see?

balmy storm
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uh not too sure, but maybe try repl.it or github?

rotund crest
#

I applied for a junior ML role at a company and they invited me to the next round of interviews that involves an online technical task and they did not say anything else about it. Is there any recommended website or some other content I can go over to prepare? I'm not even sure what they mean precisely by technical task (e.g., does that mean this is a coding test?). One thing of note is that my resume shows that I don't know that much about machine learning to begin with (I am mainly a mathematician transitioning), so I don't want to be caught off guard taking a timed test on a topic I haven't even read yet.

delicate bane
# rotund crest I applied for a junior ML role at a company and they invited me to the next roun...

umm usually you can find interview stuff on glassdoor. just click on the interview tab and look up the company. also if you have a math background already, maybe check out the second half of this book: https://mml-book.github.io/

Mathematics for Machine Learning
Mathematics for Machine Learning

Companion webpage to the book “Mathematics for Machine Learning”. Copyright 2020 by Marc Peter Deisenroth, A. Aldo Faisal, and Cheng Soon Ong. Published by Cambridge University Press.

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but yes, they probably will have you do some kind of coding for the technical portion

rotund crest
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Thanks, I'll take a look at the book

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The interview tab didn't have anything relevant for me in there. Do you think I can safely go for depth with one common machine learning library like sklearn as opposed to breadth if they don't specify working with a particular library?

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Oh, I actually have this book on my desktop, I just never got around to reading it

dense mesa
delicate bane
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maybe...and nice. i would maybe skim the second half since the first half is more for people like me who do not have a mathematics background lol

rotund crest
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Alright, thanks for the feedback

delicate bane
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np. sorry i couldnt help more

vapid jay
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What career can someone with a background in machine learning have

swift veldt
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a lot

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data engineering, data scientist, etc. But the better question is 'where' someone with a background in machine learning can work in. And it can be in any industry where there's information to process, deal with, and use.

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From airline booking to sport betting.

steel hedge
#

is ethical hacking a better career or ml engineer?

abstract pagoda
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I thought pentesting was more of a side gig for most people

vapid jay
#

!code

inner wrenBOT
#

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```py
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These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

white karma
#

Any good/recommended places to network?

vagrant fiber
# obtuse thorn I realize this is old, but I would just like to clear things up regarding this c...

In the UK, every job I've applied for, Employers / Recruiters will ask to see your passport. This simply allows them to check you can work in the UK, be it as a resident or you have the appropriate Visa.
Additionally a UK Driving License shows an "official" address, which verifies your submitted details
If you can not provide these basic things, no point continuing the interview. So they do it ASAP before wasting their time.

Not abnormal. But again, this is UK.

delicate bane
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UK is def different

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than here

golden tundra
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Do they do it before even passing on a resume?

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I’ve never been requested for an ID before I was at least offered a job

vagrant fiber
# golden tundra Do they do it before even passing on a resume?

Usually during the initial interview, which is typically with HR. They ask for your passport, take a copy and return.
It's most likely due to our employment / tax laws. Company informs our HMRC (similar to IRS) that you've got a job with them and hence you get correctly taxed and the company pays the correct amount towards pension, subsidies, etc etc)

golden tundra
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I think that makes sense

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You’ve already at least passed an initial stage and if it’s with HR, presumably the company is at least established enough to have HR, so you can be reasonably sure it’s reputable and you’re interviewing with real people and not scammers

obtuse thorn
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Thank you for the info. Like rebel said, in the US this would raise a large red flag. I have only been asked for that information after being hired.

near ocean
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I dont think anyone asks for your passport in the uk nowadays, your right to work is expressed in the government websites

vagrant fiber
near ocean
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Im have paperwork proving i can work in the UK, nobody is getting my passport

swift veldt
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From my experience working in Europe, the identity card/passport is usually asked on the first day of work so they can issue you an access badge. Just a legal thing. They're not taking it, just checking you match.

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It's of course something you would most often encounter in large companies/structures.

shadow moss
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No one is saying that company gathering this data isn’t unusual but you shouldn’t provide it until day one.

near ocean
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my gf works at a covid testing facility and they did not ask for her passport for her access badge, just a printed picture

vagrant fiber
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I'm quite surprised to hear UK employers not asking for ID. You'd need this information to run background checks and inform HMRC as well as verify your qualifications. Basically, are you who you claim to be? Are you actually allowed to work in this country? Doing it Day 1 of employment means these companies just loaded you into their payroll without verifying credentials, spend money and resources on-boarding you, told HMRC that they've employed said person, who is legally allowed to be employed by them.
Only to find out their new employee lied, when someone does eventually ID you?

Company just - wasted money, time, got fined by HMRC, still an employee down.

If I wanted to steal your identify, there are easier ways, then setting up fake job interviews for programming jobs.

visual condor
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hi guys

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i'm doing a ICT school and i'd like to learn coding better

golden tundra
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I mean, you still lose the time/money finishing the interview process and extending the offer
But by going through that longer process, I think the candidate is more likely to feel comfortable supplying that kind of personal information, so to works out

dense mesa
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This has included me signing multiple NDAs

vagrant fiber
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I work for a US Bank in the UK. They were asking me for far more than my passport long before my first day.
But that is a Bank, so they aren't taking any risks with who they employee. I suppose it very much depends on the company. I have worked for companies who were far more casual about it. Doesn't matter so much for you as an employee, but the company can get in a lot of trouble not verifying you. When it comes to filing their taxes, someone WILL be asking you for ID.

dense mesa
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HMRC uses your NI number, not personally identifiable documentation

dense mesa
vagrant fiber
dense mesa
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???

vagrant fiber
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If all I have to give you is my NI, what stops me just using someone elses?

dense mesa
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The company is legally allowed to check you have right to work in the UK

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This doesn't mean they need copies of your documentation, or access to them

dense mesa
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If you're set to work there and are signing contracts, then they'll ask for proof

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A recruiter shouldn't be asking for this

vagrant fiber
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That's what I'm saying, the company is OBLIGED legally to check you can be employed by them. So they need to see your documentation.

dense mesa
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A company shouldn't be asking for this until the final stages of interview

vagrant fiber
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A recruiter wouldn't want to send a candidate who can't work for them, so they'd ask too

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Why final stages? Why not first stages? Makes more sense surely?

golden tundra
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Not from the candidate perspective, I think

vagrant fiber
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What if you found out all your best candidates are illegally in the country?

golden tundra
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Because, well, identity theft concerns

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I’m not going to send a pic of my passport to just anyone

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That’s asking for identity theft

dense mesa
golden tundra
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Last stages is kind of the mutually agreeable time from both company and candidacy perspective, I think

dense mesa
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Otherwise a company can just contact you offering six figures and a yacht, all you have to do is send proof of right to work

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And then sell your information

golden tundra
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Candidate knows enough about the company to feel comfortable supplying some ID, company hasn’t yet hired them and so isn’t fully invested yet

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Also, I think if all your best candidates are in the country without the right to work, I think something is wrong with your recruiting system

dense mesa
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A bank is gonna be a completely different situation, especially one which is registered to trade in the UK while based in the US

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It's an established company I'm assuming: you can send your information knowing they'll keep it safe

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Some random ass company or recruiter asking for it? No

golden tundra
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Also, I feel like very few candidates are going to lie about their name or something of the like without some plan to back it up

dense mesa
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If its a reputable company, and you have confirmation that you're speaking to a representative, its another story

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The problem arose because a literal kid was telling someone who was cold contacted that it was fine

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Which is why, in my opinion, this channel should be restricted to 16+

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Of course there's no way of verifying ages

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Because who would send their information to a random ass discord server :)

golden tundra
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I was thinking it’d be nice to have some kind of tag for students vs professionals in the workforce

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But that’s also not provable

vagrant fiber
golden tundra
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But if I’m going to claim I’m Jamie Cassun, unless it’s the kind of job that’s kind of under the table or can be, it’d be ridiculous to go at the end of the process, “Actually, I’m Danny Lawrence, are you going to hire me anyways?”

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(I’d like to note here that the original asker was asked for DRIVER’S LICENSE, which isn’t proof of right to work in the US)

vagrant fiber
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Hence me throwing my 50 pence in saying its not at all unusual in the UK

golden tundra
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Specifically, what we were trying to get across is that in the US, being asked by a recruiter to supply a selfie with you holding your driver’s license before the recruiter was even willing to pass on your candidacy was very, very sketchy

jolly furnace
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if u really like ids why dont u paste a pic of ur face on ur resume

dense mesa
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Providing ID early on to {respectable and established company} is different to literal child saying "yes it's fine to send ID to {some fuckwit recruiter}"

vagrant fiber
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Yeah 100% with you. I just missed the context

golden tundra
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With proof, of course, that it was respectable and established company and not an impersonator

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I’m still incredibly annoyed with Chukko

dense mesa
golden tundra
vagrant fiber
golden tundra
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Very much expected there

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But a bad idea in the US because you’re just opening up the field for legal problems

dense mesa
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Unnecessary liability for discrimination :)

golden tundra
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Yup

vagrant fiber
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Can't even put your name for some companies

golden tundra
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How I long for a more ethnically ambiguous name sometimes

vagrant fiber
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My name is gives a whole lot away about it 😩

golden tundra
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Or for me and the only other Asian at the networking event to not be the only ones told that the company won’t sponsor any new hires

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(I was born here)

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Yay microaggressions

dense mesa
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People who assume sponsorship based on your name/looks aren't worth working for

vagrant fiber
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A wise guy once told me, "Walk through every door that opened for you"

golden tundra
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It was a big and prestigious company, and the person who told me was a manager but not a recruiter, so I didn’t feel like I could rule them out, sadly

dense mesa
floral flare
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hello

hexed zealot
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Sup

timber wharf
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Anybody here who is working in the software development industry and also has hearing loss/deafness, thus understanding/communicating by lip reading? What are your experiences? I've had plenty of negative discrimination in my country, Turkey. Usually I would send to the corporations my CV without stating that I've hearing loss, and they would reply me back for interview. Before remote/online interviewing process, I inform them that I've hearing loss and out of the blue, they just turn to ghosts. I also resigned from my last job because of the lack of empathy and not providing a good communication environment for me. I had really never thought software development required this much of visual communication (Based on my limited industry experience, which is just 1 month long). Yeah, we're living in extraordinary times, and mostly working/communicating remotely but still, I wished this industry would be different from the others. I expected it to be more empathetic, understanding and caring.

marsh wind
dense mesa
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😔

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Behind on the times

marsh wind
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to a point that many HR/ hiring managers and people and CV training/review would say CV without picture can go to trash in >50% cases immediately

craggy wave
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Hey @timber wharf, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't have hearing loss/deafness myself, but I have worked with a colleague who had hearing loss in the past. It was never an issue and we adapted some work routines to better suit him. In my current job, we do have a lot of visual communication (video calls) now, so I do recognise that part. Still, I would have thought that it's something you can solve.

golden tundra
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I don’t know how useful this advice is, given that I live in the US and I have different disabilities, but the general advice here is to disclose as late as possible in the process (ie, only once you need accommodations). @timber wharf
I don’t know about Turkish law, but while it’s illegal in the US to discriminate against people with disabilities, it’s still the kind of thing that you sort of try to make sure people have as little chance to discriminate against you as possible.
I think your two options are really to try to lean into it and specifically look for work at companies that say they hire people with disabilities or try to mask it as much as possible.
I’m really sorry

timber wharf
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Thanks, both of you. Your support and kind words means a lot to me. Will do my best to find the right corporations for me.

dense mesa
marsh wind
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that's just engrained in culture I guess

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I know that there is a move now to remove that

dense mesa
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I guess I don't see why someone's appearance is relevant for a job

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Unless they're applying for work which is done based on their appearance, such as a model

delicate bane
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sorry to hear that

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its stuff like that that usually never gets mentioned in industry even tho it happens a lot

marsh wind
golden tundra
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I can answer for some Asian societies

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It’s because of cultural differences

marsh wind
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I'd imagine it would matter less and less as you gain experience, but when you're starting out and unemployed as I were a year ago for example for some months already you'd try to eliminate any chance of your CV going to trash even if some things you have to do (like put a picture) are not logical and go against your conviction

golden tundra
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In several cultures, including mine, paying attention to appearances is pretty normalized
It’s kind of an extension of things like cleaning up nicely for work (making sure your hair is tidy and your clothes aren’t ripped)

marsh wind
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perhaps @torpid bolt could confirm that as someone who has far more experience in Frace 😉

golden tundra
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Just
It’s seen as important and respectful to present yourself well

swift veldt
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Which I find quite refreshing.

marsh wind
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I guess banking is bit different

vapid jay
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Hi I’m looking for a job

dense mesa
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@vapid jay this is against the rules :(

high kelp
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@dense mesa

near ocean
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!rule 6 ?

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frozen stirrup
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Lel

dense mesa
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@high kelp literally look in the channel description

valid solar
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delicate bane
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my question is...

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why did python add this feature to their site

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genuinely curious. since other job boards are much bigger and such

teal crane
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bruh

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\python language is kinda complicated

teal crane
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HEY GUYS

craggy wave
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Hello!

vapid jay
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I didn’t ask about paid work

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I SAID A JOB AS IN A THING

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Without money

dense mesa
valid solar
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what

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if you want experience your best bet is just doing projects, dont need people to hire you for that

dry plinth
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what can you do with taking computer science at a levels

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loooking for a job

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🙂

dry plinth
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@chrome hamlet i am assuming you do cmputer science and you are in yr 13

crisp cipher
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i can help for free too :))

worthy furnace
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umm guys what is the monthly wage of programmer?

crisp cipher
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there is no age

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skill

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wow nice dude

dry plinth
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that is amazing which uni do u go bro

dry plinth
worthy furnace
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that is amazing i just go to a grammar school in bromley (kent)

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i am in yr10

dense mesa
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@dry plinth my advice as someone who took CS a level is don't take it

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Every single person I warned against taking cs, didn't listen to me

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Then they did cs a level and by year 13, absolutely hated it

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This was followed by "why didn't I listen to literally everyone advising me not to take it"

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People who didn't drop it sometimes missed their uni offers because of the low CS grade

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Just don't take a level computer science, its completely useless for uni level computer science

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Maths is the best subject to prepare, further maths even better

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dry plinth
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thanks for the advice,......just saying i am in yr 10 still soo still got time\

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thanks @chrome hamlet and anz...i am not pinging u lol

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so to get into a uni for a CS major u don't need cs a level?

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thats mad

near ocean
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The CS a level is garbage, top unis like Imperial, UCL, cambridge, etc will actually advise you not to take it

dry plinth
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in the uk is what i am implying

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that is amazing

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i am going to take further maths and maths for a levl the lol

near ocean
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The best combination of alevels you can take is core maths, further maths, physics and another science a level

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I went with that and chem

dry plinth
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which uni u go my g

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i am reean btw nice to meet u dude

near ocean
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I got accepted into ucl but i didnt go there

dry plinth
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do u go to a russel group uni

near ocean
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Nah

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If you got 3 of those a levels you can get anywhere really

dry plinth
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thats kl

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yh

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but i really dm coding

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i quite enjoy it it isn't so bad

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but the other bits in the computing gcse are kind of boring

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ngl atm programming in python and doing algoritms and writing psuedocodes is the thing which is more practical i nedd more prcatise on

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Which is why i bought this book

remote wraith
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Hello my name is sohail I joined in electronics and communication engineering as my bachelor's degree
But iam really into coding any advice for me?

dry plinth
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i guess maybe start a project related to your field

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i am a beginner atm

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so there are probs better ppl to ask

remote wraith
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Thank you 😊

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Iam from India

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Where are you from?

dry plinth
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the uk

remote wraith
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What does atm mean?

dry plinth
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at the moment dude

remote wraith
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Okay... sorry my English isn't that good but iam working on it

dry plinth
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no worries

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remote wraith
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😇

dry plinth
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yh i want to get into cambridge or oxford

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either medicine or computing

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Engineering

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thx alot bro

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what do u do atm

jolly furnace
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high school cs is kinda bad

bold pagoda
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^ it is very easy

umbral kayak
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helo?

dense mesa
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You basically have to self teach the entire thing, and if it's a 4th a level, it takes up loads of time

bold pagoda
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Oh well in America it is very easy

dense mesa
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Just stop feeding people shit dude

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Seriously

bold pagoda
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?

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It is easy

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Lmao

dense mesa
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This is UK-specific advice

bold pagoda
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Where did it say that

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Someone said high school cs is bad and I agreed

dense mesa
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Are you being for real rn

bold pagoda
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Yes

dense mesa
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<@&267629731250176001>

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@golden tundra the misinformation is back

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@dry plinth don't listen to Chukko

bold pagoda
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Huh

dense mesa
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As @chrome hamlet and @near ocean will say, a level cs is terrible

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Don't take it

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There are so many better options

bold pagoda
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All I have said is America ap computer science is easy

dense mesa
bold pagoda
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Sorry

golden tundra
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Generally speaking, I find that it helps to specify which country you’re talking when you give advice

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Country norms vary widely

dense mesa
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This discussion has been centred entirely around the UK since we started it

peak halo
# dense mesa <@321021038139801600> the misinformation is back

Whether or not taking a computer science class in high school is worthwhile depends on a lot of factors. You don't necessarily know what is covered in every high school CS course, or what other courses a student could have taken. Please be careful about when you say that one flat out shouldn't listen to another community member--that often isn't in line with our #code-of-conduct .

golden tundra
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Yes, I know, that’s why I’m just noting that for general reference for people like Chukko that it’s helpful to specify country

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Because the convo was pretty clearly specified as UK before

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With discussion of A levels, Cambridge and Oxford, etc

dense mesa
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There is literally a nationwide problem with the teaching of computer science

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I have quite literally years of experience in this topic, which include teaching students AS and A2 Level computer science

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This isn't me spouting off some random opinion

peak halo
dense mesa
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This is a government-recognised issue

dense mesa
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The conversation has been solely about a UK student trying to get into UK universities

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For which I'm giving my highly specific advice, as another UK citizen who has experienced this

dense mesa
marsh wind
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The country under assumption has been the UK since this conversation started

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And as someone who is fairly well qualified to give such viewpoints in the UK, I was

golden tundra
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I think there’s been a misunderstanding here?

near ocean
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i dont know of any other nation mad enough to do a levels tbh

golden tundra
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My understanding of this convo is something as follows
A student asks for UK A level advice
Several people who have UK relevant experience replied
Chukko responded with US AP Comp Sci experience without specifying the location change and so Anz was annoyed with them for not specifying

dense mesa
peak halo
# dense mesa You can see them very explicitly state they're applying for UK unis

Fair enough, though even then, it's not reasonable to expect that Chukko will know that their knowledge about high school CS classes do or don't apply to another country.

My main point is that if you want to dispute a statement made by a community member, saying "the misinformation is back | don't listen to Chukko" is not a polite way to go about that.

dense mesa
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I was told previously that when misinformation is present, the correct course of action is to call it out directly, rather than reporting it

golden tundra
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I noted that I find it good practice in general to specify country in which you’re talking about - I think the prior convo was pretty clearly specified, but Chukko didn’t specify, and it would’ve been helpful if they had, is the point I was trying to get out

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But the broader point is just that it’s helpful to specify when you’re asking and when you’re responding

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If you don’t specify but the conversation is clearly specified to be about a certain place already, then people are going to assume that you’re talking about the same country

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It looks like Anz has left, but I feel I should note that this is a different category of misinformation than previous

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The previous incident to which Anz is referring to was blatant and actively dangerous misinformation even with all location context given

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In this case, it’s not necessarily misinformation given the correct location context

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It’s wrong for the UK, which is what the conversation was about, but it sounds like Chukko just made an incorrect assumption about the location and didn’t backscroll

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I don’t think it’s anywhere near as egregious as the first incident and shouldn’t be treated with the same level of harshness/need to refute

neat grove
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I feel like it's important to clarify something here. Even if you think something is wrong, it's important to be able to have calm discourse. For all you know the other party is misunderstanding the situation or frankly maybe they are misinformed themselves.

Please don't try to call someone out like that. If it seems like neither side is backing down or that it's impossible to have a calm conversation anymore it's better to call the moderators.

bold pagoda
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Sorry

true harness
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in the united states at least, both AP computer science courses are entry level courses, so chukko isn't wrong about that

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individual schools can offer their own cs courses which vary in quality

dry plinth
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thank you anz

dark lintel
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Hi. I have a job interview next week as a Junior Engineer, the job posting says "We're looking for remote engineers that have finished school within the last 2 years or will finish in the next 6 months". However, I'm finishing school in 2 years, but I meet the job requirements and despite that, the CEO accepted the interview because of my projects. What should I do if he asks me about college? Do u think it's a dealbreaker? I can still put in 10 hours of work per day while studying

obtuse thorn
hexed zealot
dark lintel
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Well, I have already taken the most difficult courses, so from now on they are "lighter", the schedule is VERY flexible, 3 hour classes, either morning, afternoon or evening

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If he asks, I'll say that

terse summit
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Does it makes sense that I attach a WIP to my cv for an entry level software developer/ integrations engineer role?

neon moat
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a WIP?

near ocean
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work in progress

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and yea why not

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as long as its not completely brand new

neon moat
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I know what a work in progress is which is why im confused

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when you say attach a WIP im confused as to what you mean

near ocean
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as in include it on his cv

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or github?

neon moat
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yeah maybe im confused, including github and recent projects on your CV is great, focus on what you have learnt from the projects and concepts you have learnt as opposed to specific syntax.

A cover letter is also good to add

golden tundra
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tame hill
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hey guys so I'm planning on learning python on Tuesdays and Thursdays and java on Mondays and Wednesdays, is this a good idea to learn both simultaneously???

balmy bramble
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Idk if this would go here but what are some common CS interview questions?

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Im having my CS STEM scholarship interview tomorrow

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and I'm really nervous

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My friend who wants to study media arts, only got asked personal questions

dry sapphire
dry sapphire
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you'd have better luck asking someone who actually went through the same interview.

balmy bramble
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Do they ask much technical questions?

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Since I live in a third world country I didn't really get a programming course

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at school

dry sapphire
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I have no idea...?

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like I said, it depends on who's interviewing you

balmy bramble
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Okay, thank you

dry sapphire
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that said, if you haven't started studying yet

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my best guess would be that they're looking more for aptitude/general reasoning ability

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e.g. for my Law school test/exam there was more or less nothing on actual substantive law

balmy bramble
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Yeah

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My friend who applied to the same college, just got asked personal questions

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and questions about her character

dry sapphire
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different course though

hexed zealot
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@balmy bramble Are you expected to know things about the subjects? Or are you entering at like a beginner level?

balmy bramble
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Not specified by the university

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I know python really well

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and Java script

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I know a little HTML but thats about it

golden tundra
# tame hill hey guys so I'm planning on learning python on Tuesdays and Thursdays and java o...

Do you already know a language and have a decent grasp of overall CS fundamentals? If not, I feel like trying to pick up 2 at once will just confuse you

Also, I personally think it’d be better for you to do 2 days consecutively of each lang. If you’re switching back and forth constantly, I feel like you’re more likely to get features of them mixed up. If you do 2 days of Python and then 2 days of Java, you can hopefully stay in “Python mode” and “Java mode”

delicate bane
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so...we want you to have 5+ years AT LEAST but we will still hire you as an entry-level position...??

📎 unknown.png
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how does this make sense?

golden tundra
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Or who knows
Maybe working a customer service job qualifies (so if you worked in as a teenager as a cashier or waited tables or something and did that through college, that would probably get you to 5 years)

delicate bane
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maybe they just dont know what they want

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tbh

marsh wind
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To me feels like poorly written job listing

marsh wind
sonic token
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Hey, iv'e been wondering, is it necessary to go to school to get a job in big firms, or can I just self study my way there?

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Cause people tell me that i'm a hopeless case if I do not attend school. Now it's not that I hate learning but learning the school way does not suit me and I do not grasp everything that I learn, because much of it is out of my interest

old pulsar
# sonic token Cause people tell me that i'm a hopeless case if I do not attend school. Now it'...

What I would say is that your work speaks 1000x louder than your degrees. Companies don't mind overlook lack of higher education if your work speaks for dedication, passion and love for learning. Not all people want to put themselves into massive debt to get a degree. That doesn't mean they don't like life-long learning and self-betterment. The world and YouTube is full of people who don't have a degree and yet make very very decent living as software engineers.

sonic token
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ik, you are right but I do not know how to convince my parents or others around me about what I want

old pulsar
old pulsar
sonic token
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@old pulsar they are allowing me to participate in these sort of programs as long as I can simultaneously get straight A's in my normal studies

old pulsar
old pulsar
sonic token
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trust me iv'e tried to do both of them but every time, it just fails because they think i'm wasting my time if I write programs or make projects, and much more prefer that I go to school and leave this behind until university, the thing is that I value what they say, but I also care about the most productive time of my life (im 15 btw) and that it will never come back

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I want to invest my time in things that i'm sure I would'nt regret later on, even if they dont turn out great

old pulsar
# sonic token trust me iv'e tried to do both of them but every time, it just fails because the...

You're 15 so the answer will be different. What I have to say to this is that you gotta fight for what you love. If your parents want you to finish the education, then finish it, it's for your own good, however you don't have to give up Python coding and making projects. Set your alarm clock for 2 hours earlier than you normally get up to do what you wanna do. If you wanna do Python coding but you're committed to school where you're asked to learn things you're not interested in like to learn geography you have no interest in you gotta pull yourself through it. Finish the education as your parents want you but make time for Python programming as that's what you wanna do. It may mean that you get little bit less sleep but sacrifices are necessary. I've had to make sacrifices.

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Don't give up on Python programming but pay your dues. We all do.

sonic token
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Great advice, i'll try to act on it, but it's that i'm not the best school child either tbh, I average at around 70--75%, I try to put in effort, but there are always some kids ahead of me

old pulsar
# sonic token Great advice, i'll try to act on it, but it's that i'm not the best school child...

OK, you may be average at the moment. Doesn't mean you'll be average 2 years down the road. What I would recommend you to do is to use affirmations and take notes about what you want your future to look like. Empowering affirmations that you can say out loud to yourself on everyday basis. After you wake up and before you go to bed. It helps you stay focused on the things that matter to you. Self-talk is such a superpower if used to your benefit. For example I have a dream to run a software company that runs a centre for homeless on the side. So I use affirmations to empower me. I take notes to stay focused on that and every day I take action that brings me closer to it.

In your case if you wanna be a A student you may want to say something along the lines of "I learn advanced topics easily" or "I'm a quick learner" before going to bed and first thing in the morning. And then support it with your study.

I gotta go now hope this helps.

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And remember .... there's no try, only do.

rotund crest
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Well, that was pretty stupid. I was doing a technical test for a machine learning position just now. They had a leetcode-like online testing system where they give you a task and you need to return the correct values for their hidden test cases

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All my test cases passed without any trouble until the last question. They have a prebuilt method that they wrote takes a blackbox input and outputs an array that you are then tasked to manipulate the array. The code does not compile long before I even get to my own code. So I finished my implementation and spent nearly the entirety of the 2 hour allotment just trying to arbitrarily modify their code and figure out how to make their part compile. Pretty hard when I don't even know what they are passing into the function to begin with.

sonic token
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@old pulsar Ok i'll try cause you're my senior I guess, Thanks Btw

urban peak
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Learn python in fast way.

  1. build your basics like core and oops concepts.
  2. see YouTube videos and use w3school.com
  3. in general there are 70+ topics. If you cover 5topics per day then it takes 2-3 weeks for beginners.
  4. implement topics yourself and practice with various online sites.

And now you understand basic python.
It's time to move on and explore your self

Learn data structures. It takes only 10days in python (for learn and implement).
Work with various module(inbuilt as well as other modules).
Numpy, pandas, random, matplotlib and many other also.
Turtle for graphics and user interface.
Pygame for games development.

After 2 and half month you have something extra
Now work with django and other modules for web development.

In last, you learn almost 40-60% of python and a perfect pythonist.

delicate bane
tame hill
vapid jay
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A guide though Pythonprogramming. You will be guided very easy though The Language and you will learn a lot if you read the articel until the end. Good Luck with Programming!

https://www.tomorrowtides.com/pythonguide.html

Python Programming Guide

PYthon is a easy to understand language that is good for Beginners. Here you can read about the Basics of Programming with Python & more.

white karma
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Is it possible to land a junior dev job if your soft skills are stronger, comparatively, than your actual programming skill?

golden tundra
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There are a lot of workplaces who value soft skills over programming skills because programming can be taught

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It’s significantly harder to get someone to stop being a dick

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Or even on a low level, to get them to cooperate more than they are if they’re a stubborn person, etc

white karma