career-advice

[shadow mist]

Hey guys, I'm a second year CS student living in NYC. I'm interested in finance and I want to become a quant. I have a certificate in data science from IBM and I'm currently freelancing on UpWork where I'm building a fully autonomous stock trading system. How do I go by persuing my dream of becoming a quant? Thank you.

[fallen dew]

What is “quant” short for?

[vapid jay]

idk

[fallen dew]

My gut would probably say quantitative analyst but idk. Quant sounds like a term nobody outside of that field would know lol

[shadow mist]

Quantitative developer/analyst. The programmers that work in finance.

[fallen dew]

Nice, sounds tough but lucrative

Kinda like an actuary but for trading?

[alpine dawn]

I know there is a different split between quantitative and qualitative iirc

[alpine dawn]

Why not try to get into contact with a professional recruitment agency?

[shadow mist]

I'm not sure whether it's time. I'm still in college with not much experience apart from my personal stock trading and little coding experience that I have.

[vapid jay]

Hi, I am full-stack Python developer from Pakistan. Any visa Sponsor job for me?

[cobalt lark]

Hello @iron crest! I'm a bit late, but if you are looking for help on an open source project, feel free to ask in #python-discussion !

[abstract harbor]

You can find a lot of jobs here https://www.python.org/jobs/ and https://www.pythonjobshq.com/

[hot fulcrum]

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this to me ❤️

[vapid jay]

<@&267629731250176001> homophobe alert

"vectorstock" lmao

[blazing dew]

!ban 481095190694723584 Goodbye.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @covert field permanently.

[vapid jay]

how do yall pick a career in programming
currently im not focusing on any career (want it to change), i enjoy coding random projects

[hybrid sparrow]

i do to

but i was just here to ask if an Architect would have anything to do with dis programming stuff cuz my little bro don't believe me

[fallen dew]

Any profession could make use of programming skills

You can write your own custom programs that help you do something more efficiently or to automate certain tasks that you’d otherwise take longer to do manually

Or you could do some kind of data visualization or reports to help supplement other work

It certainly wouldn’t hurt on a resumé imo

[proud glen]

Hi Guys,
I need some help for choosing the right certification for Data Architect job. I've been working as Data Architect for few months now. My profile started from Data Scientist -- > Big Data Engineer and the Architect. There are many certification for Data Architect from Google, IBM, DASCA and Cloudera. What certification would be more closer to market demand and can be done in little time ? I'm always busy with work and/or prod releases.

[deep mauve]

I've literally heard of none of those nor heard of anybody who cares about them

I'd recommend reading about the types of pipelines people build for data ingest applications like mobile analytics, using elasticsearch, postgres, kafka, etc.

I'm not saying those certifications have no value it's just I can see better ways of spending your time

[maiden solar]

^yep I totally agree, most of the companies really dont care if you have those certificates, they only care about your work experiences and projects

except if you're going to apply on network security, you really need CCNA certificate

[vestal jacinth]

Hey guys, Im a 29 year old civil engineer who decided to switch my career to software engineering. I decided to learn few programming languages for the next 12 months and later want to get involve in open project to test my skills .I dont have a mentor to guide me as of now. I decided to move to Canada in 2022. I found python is what people recommend beginners to start with. Is it irrational to expect to get job by late 2022?. I am currently involved with 2 startups (my own idea).

[regal bobcat]

@vestal jacinth i'm doing like you, but at 45 years old. By the time i do program since 1991 (C, C++, Kotlin, Perl 5 & 6, Python, Ruby, Bash, Lua, Javascript). I feel myself better with programation when i started to understand design pattern and to use a structure before to tart anything (UML plan sometimes does make sense) what can be considered as "good practice" to each language specific. When i go to test myself on algorithm knowledge, i go on codinggame.com or codewars.com (it is a web site to play to build source code algorithm, there is some other very good also: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/the-10-most-popular-coding-challenge-websites-of-2016-fb8a5672d22f/). I also learn a lot from other by to read source code on Github and Bitbucket. And from there, you can also join open source project you like or do a pull request and work on something.

[supple bison]

Hi everyone! I'm a python learner I just completed my python bootcamp course from udemy and been doing beginners project from a while but now i want to check my hands on it.. and want to know more about it.. so can you'll please suggest me.. some good python intermediate projects?

[chilly ether]

Hey Rohitt, Which bootcamp you've completed on udemy? Actually I'm a php developer but also want to learn python just for curiosity. I'm bit confused which course should I follow on udemy.

[thick pollen]

Hey guys my name is Munzer, I'm just getting started on the road to becoming a software developer after so many failed attempts I am hoping and planning to get that junior development job. I started learning about software development when I was 14, but never took it far enough as I always felt the need for a mentor. I'm hopping on different discords to try to find a willing participant to be my mentor and guide in order to take my skills to the next level.

[idle helm]

hi,

I'm looking for any cheap (<=50$) courses to really explain my knowledge of scripting and get me started on Python3. Any recommendations?

[true harness]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[true harness]

pretty sure most of the courses on here are free

[proud glen]

I'm so glad that you said this. When I hire, I focus on needed skill set than certification. Although the HR department disagrees as they have to slough through bunch of Resumes.
I'm very good at Kafka. I've done everything from setting up new clusters, managing consumers/producers, cross DC Mirror makers and ACL's. I would say I'm alright with elastic stack, wouldn't call myself a pro.

[cold brook]

Hi guys! So, I know a good deal about coding and programming. I'm currently in high school, and I really want to do something in the programming field. I can't decide between becoming a software engineer and a data scientist. Anyone have any insight / guidance on which field I should go in? Thanks in advance!

[strong horizon]

You should think what u really like, and then search for information about the subjects of each grade/job review on youtube, etc

@cold brook

[summer roost]

you might also have some luck trying to find people who switched from one of those jobs to the other and see what they say about why.

if you're planning on going to college, Computer Science is a degree that can naturally lead to a job in either of those fields.

roughly, data science involves a lot more math and analysis than software engineering does, and software engineering focuses much more on designing and maintaining large software applications as part of a team. The salaries for both jobs are comparable, and it's a relatively easy career path switch to move from one to the other, so it's just a question of which one you think you'd be more likely to enjoy.

[cold brook]

Ah, ok. I see. Thanks!

[cold brook]

Ah, ok. I see. Which would you say is more beneficial for both software engineering as well as data science, a degree in computer science, a degree in math, or a degree in something else?

[summer roost]

if you want something that's applicable to both, Computer Science is a nice middle ground. Math is definitely much more applicable to Data Science than it is to Software Engineering - there's a lot of math in computer science theory, but not a lot in the day to day job of a Software Engineer.

[cold brook]

Ah, ok. I see. So, for Software Engineering, Computer Science, and for Data Science, both will be beneficial, but it would be fine to get a degree in math, but have lots of knowledge in a language like Python for example, and vice versa?

[summer roost]

yep, I'm not a data scientist, but that's my understanding - that data science has far more mathematics and numerical analysis in the day to day job than software engineering has.

[cold brook]

Ah ok. I see. Ye, that's what I've heard as well.

Yes, I am planning on going to college, whether that's going to a college or online courses for degrees. So ye, thanks for your help!

[raven lion]

//выведение текста
print ("helo")//выводит привет
print(3+2)//выводит сложение = 5
print(6*3)//выводит сложение = 18

//переменные
name = 12 //name = название переменный
print (name)//выводим переменная
test1 = input ("Как вас зовут")//input = берем данные от пользователя
test2 = input ("какая у вас вамилия")
test3 = test1 + test2
print ("вас зовут!", test3)//Как вас зовут + какая у вас вамилия
del test3//удаление переменной
res = 10
res = res + 5//пребавляет к переменной 5 = 15

num = input ("Введите ваше имя: ")

if num = "имя": //если переменная равна вашему имени то выводится текст
print(привет "имя")
elif num = "другое имя":
print (вас не зовут "имя")

if 1: //1= true , 0 = folse
print ("True\n")// \n = начинать со следушей строки
print (hello)

[steel coyote]

guys, I'm currently at my graduation year and I've been offered a scholarship program but I have to attend a two year boarding school before I go to university. For somebody who's going for a programming career, is it really worth it to spend the two years just for the scholarship? (Also, I'm guaranteed to get a scholarship anyways but of a lower grade that the one I mentioned and requires no extra years)

Would really love your advice, I'm struggling with the decision

[summer roost]

what would you be doing/learning at the boarding school for two years?

whether it would be worthwhile to delay going to university by two years and do X other thing instead depends on whether X other thing gives you more value than immediately starting uni would. @steel coyote

[steel coyote]

apparently its to allow you to get accepted to higher universities

frankly, if you asked for my own opinion I don't think I need to go to school again, I'm already top of my class right now.

it would be quite a shame to feel like I have to go to school again despite my efforts to perform the best I can in my current years

[summer roost]

whether it's worth it or not then would depend on a) the likelihood of it getting you into a better uni, and b) the advantage that a better uni would have to your career, compared the the advantage that starting your career two years earlier would have to your career.

[steel coyote]

yeah, point (b) is what I'm really struggling with tbh

cause I heard about many people who have an excellent programming career without ever even going to university. Is that not true?

[summer roost]

yes, it is - though that likely depends a lot on which country we're talking about.

I'm from the US - it's certainly possible to get a software development job without going to university for it, though it's definitely easier with a university degree.

it's also true that what uni you go to makes very little difference to your job prospects, except for your first or second job out of uni, when you don't yet have work experience to lean on and have to go based on your grades and the prestige of your school.

[slim summit]

need some help in form of educational advise
I am a junior in a shitty high school
born american (Cali )
living in India since i was 2
I want to come to my motherland
but need an american perspective on alot of things
so feel free to help me out

[summer roost]

well, what would you like to know?

@slim summit ?

for complete generalities, if you were born in America you are an American citizen, and can just apply to universities in America and move if you get accepted.

[uncut trench]

Hello Everyone; i graduated this year B.Tech CSE and now thinking to pursue 6 months course on Data Science ..

Any Suggestion On Data Science..

about scope and job in data science

[supple bison]

@chilly ether hey it was complete python from zero to mastery by Andrei Neagoie.

Hope you're like it..

You'll*

[chilly ether]

wow, I already have 3 courses of Andrei including SQL database, data structure & ethical hacking

he's great

but also liked the promo videos of colt and Angela on python

thats why bit confused which one to enroll

😕

[supple bison]

Oh okay, yeah I saw the promo of angela too! But I went for ztm and now no regrets it was really good

[spare tendon]

Hello Community, I am looking for some tips on building Python projects that I can showcase in my portfolio as a freelancer. Any one got any tips or already has a portfolio of sorts that I can get inspired from?

[neon ridge]

Hey there people, can anyone give me some useful on starting as a python freelancer

Btw I am just 13

[cerulean valley]

become 18

[vapid jay]

Bruh

I’m 15 and I’m still doing data science and other Lagos

Algos

Age doesn’t matter

You have to have the will

[sick mist]

I agree that age does not matter when you are working on your own projects or building your portfolio. However, freelancing implies contracts and payments, and in most countries, only legal adults are allowed to open a business account and register as a freelancer.

[vapid jay]

Idts

That only applies to opening a startup

You can still freelance

I know many of my friends who do

[sick mist]

I might not be aware of the state of labor law in every country, but I'm quite sure in EU and US it's not allowed to operate a business legally if you are not at least represented by someone over 18

[vapid jay]

e.e

I don’t belong to eu or the us

[unborn haven]

Hello Guys

[sick mist]

The biggest issue is getting paid and being able to legally sign contracts, because if your customer ends up suffering losses due to a mistake you made, their insurance might seek for compensation. Also, while you could technically open a paypal account to get paid while freelancing on online maketplaces, this goes against paypal and most platforms terms and conditions, and as a result, they could seize your account without any possible way for you to claim it back.

Therefore, getting 18 (or whatever the legal age in your country) seems the most sensible advice here, if you want to stay on the safe side 😉

[vapid jay]

hey friends

i have a bit serious question

[sick mist]

hey @vapid jay just ask it

[vapid jay]

is Masters worth it? am not confident in myself. It's a huge risk of investment and money.
my parents are forcing me to persue it, becaz comparing me to other people

I have a decent job right now

._.

i know, it has the most complex answer

it's stressing me out

[sick mist]

well, the question is: is the lack of a master degree blocking you out right now in your life?

[vapid jay]

No it's not.

I really want to know how it's feels to be grow up and having a job

it's normal as usual, really

I'm afraid being grow up

[sick mist]

@vapid jay don't do things because others are doing it, do them because it's part of your plan

[vapid jay]

exactly!

[sick mist]

if your plan does not involve getting a degree, and a degree has big risks associated ... it's not a good investment. You won't be motivated and make the most out of it.

[vapid jay]

my plan does not involve a degree

but my plan right now is bit slow,

but it's what am comfortable with

[sick mist]

learn to walk before learning how to run, that's your life, not your parents', what matters is to have a plan that works for you 😉

[vapid jay]

ya, you're right

How to has business

And earn moneys :0

i was getting to same conclusion just wasn't sure

thank you so much @sick mist

[sick mist]

you're welcome!

[sterile sandal]

bruh can someone help with placement rounds and generally what algo they ask or something

for tech companies

fckn iam panicking over here

[shadow moss]

What Country?

[vapid jay]

how to have career

[quaint hedge]

If I'm looking to pay someone to build my code, where can I ask?

I didn't want to use the python.org site because this is an extremely small project

[vapid jay]

you mean

you pay someone to build a python code

[near ocean]

Ads paid or not are not allowed in the server

[quaint hedge]

ads?

[near ocean]

Advertisements for work, paid or not

[shadow moss]

no

[lost dragon]

Has anyone here interviewed with Rockwell Automation? A recruiter reached out to me, and I haven't even started my CS program yet. It's for an embedded systems co-op. I haven't even learned about embedded systems yet.. what should I do

[sick mist]

I would argue that a recruiter who targets people without doing any research prior hand is not worth your time. There are plenty of these "recruiters" out there, just ignore them and focus on your studies 😉

[lost dragon]

Thanks for the advice. Seems like they just mass emailed CS students on Handshake. I'd still be open to the position in the future though, but have no idea how to respond. lol

[sick mist]

they probably won't be around anymore when you graduate, so you can roast them if you want, but usually ignoring them is the way to go. Mind that they might insist and send you several emails, even sometimes trying to guilt-trip you into replying. Just ignore them harder 😄

[lost dragon]

It's a campus recruiter though. Not a recruiting agency. Should I still ignore it??

[sick mist]

just to be sure, can you elaborate what a campus recruiter is? they were not offering you a job?

[lost dragon]

A recruiter within the company that hires college talent for internships/ entry-level positions. I would be open to doing this co-op in the future though. Just dont want to burn any bridges, you know?

I feel like the scummy recruiters are the 3rd party agencies right? I'm still relatively new to the job searching process.

[sick mist]

ok, I get it, I'm not super familiar with that specific practice, thanks for elaborating 😉

[lost dragon]

No problem. Thanks for taking the time to help! I'd definitely want to do the co-op if I can though. Just don't know how to tell them that I may not be qualified yet..

[sick mist]

well, I think you guessed that they were mass-mailing opportunities to "see what sticks" so if you don't reply to them, you'll be like the other 99% people who were not qualified for the opportunity

no real risk of burning bridges here

[lost dragon]

Yeah, that's true. I still feel like I'll reply and give it a shot. Couldn't hurt to try right? I definitely feel like my technical skills will improve tremendously by summer 2021.

[sick mist]

well, if it aligns with your agenda, sure 🙂 you need to use recruiters as a platform for your carreer, they need you way more than you need them

(even if they often act as if it was the opposite)

[lost dragon]

Well, I replied haha. Figure it couldn't hurt. If I'm not qualified, at least I'll get some experience with technical interviews.

[sick mist]

yup, do your best! 🙂

[lost dragon]

Thanks! You

You've been very helpful. Like I said, I'm new to this recruiting/hiring process so I don't really know how to approach it..

[fallen dew]

I’m not a fan of recruiting agencies/head hunters, personally, although I have seen people have success with them. None of my positions have been gained by utilizing one. All my jobs have been direct. Just know the distinction between an inside recruiter and an outside one. If you talk to a recruiter who is actually employed by the company that you are applying for, that can definitely be a good thing. Like a recruiter in their HR department or whatever. Someone who might be your first contact with the company, should you eventually be hired there.

[sick mist]

oh don't get me started on recruiting agencies, I deal with them daily both as a recruiter and a consultant, it's a pain in both cases 😄

[fallen dew]

Other ones, like the random PMs on LinkedIn, those are the ones who need you. You are their commission. Again, not always a bad thing, though.

Some of them are probably very knowledgeable and can help you land a great opportunity

Just hasn’t happened to me 🤣

[sick mist]

I've seen it work once but the candidate was overqualified and they had a lot of luck there, because they only did the due diligence (so checking for references and diplomas) after the guy signed his work contract ...

[fallen dew]

Yikes! Haha

[lost dragon]

Yeah the recruiter is an employee of the company, but I just saw that she was recently hired by them. Probably just looking to see what sticks like you said

[sick mist]

according to my experience, head hunting is only worth when actually looking for high-profile targets, like CTO, etc that usually works for a competitor and you want to get them on your payroll. It's a very specific job and you need experienced people to handle these situations, because they are obviously very sensitive in nature

[fallen dew]

My current job, my first contact with the company was with the recruiting manager who was the one who did my phone interview before the actual in-person interview. She was the one who saw my application/resume on Indeed and contacted me. It was a comfortable experience.

But many companies seem to outsource this important step for some reason

(an employee of the company)

[lost dragon]

Probably saves them a lot of money to outsource their recruiting, but the quality takes a big hit

[fallen dew]

Yeah for sure

My guess is that “revolving-door” type jobs tend to get outsourced more because to avoid the cost/time of going through the applications and interviewing process

Some positions are probably handled with more care

[near ocean]

you guys sitting here grumbling about recruiters and im over here freezing my ass off, unemployed

[sick mist]

recruiters don't make jobs out of thin air, companies do

and you can reach out to companies directly, you don't need a recruiter to "find you a great opportunity"

[near ocean]

im stuck in "make tons of applications but nobody even responding" hell

[fallen dew]

It’s a numbers game, imo, but a little luck wouldn’t hurt either. Good luck 🙏🏻 I do not cherish that part of job seeking either

I must’ve submitted 40+ or so applications to only land 2 interviews last time I was in the search

Half of the time your application/resume probably doesn’t even get looked at and you just get silence

[near ocean]

bruh i've gone through hundreds of apps to get minimal responses

[fallen dew]

Here and there, some actually will take the time to let you know you’re rejected so you can cross it off your list

[near ocean]

i think i need to redo my cv cause i think im tripping up on the automated part of the cv sorting

[fallen dew]

Following up on the ones with no response, etc etc. it’s not fun

[near ocean]

i dont do follow ups, if a company doesnt even have the courtesy to send me an automated email i dont want anything to do with them

[sick mist]

CV quality matters a lot I only learned it very recently after mine got declined for a position for which they claimed I was not experienced enough, while I actually wrote the library they wanted to use. It was a real shock, but then I realized that my own CV was much lower in quality compared to the ones I was receiving. Once I changed the layout and described my achievements more clearly, I never got ghosted anymore

[near ocean]

how did you change the layout

did you boost some section to the top? does look even matter

i have no work experience besides an internship i did thats unrelated to the industry a long time ago

i put my education first

[fallen dew]

You should follow up since it only takes a short amount of time. I get the reasoning, but you never know. It shows interest, and they could’ve made a mistake or overlooked something on their end

[near ocean]

interest runs both ways

i've had to answer those silly questions so many times and some companies dont even bother letting me know they werent interested

[sick mist]

TBH, I know that when I post an job offer, I receive maybe 40 CVs at once, and while I go through all of them and reply to all of them personally, I can imagine at a larger scale it's hard to keep up with the flow, so following up once is actually giving yourself an extra chance to stand out

don't bully them either, it's a good way to get a personalized upset reply 😄

[near ocean]

it takes a couple lines to write an automated email reply with python, tech companies really have ZERO excuse

i know im shooting myself in the foot by not following up but i dont really care

its a red flag in my eyes

[fallen dew]

Yeah, I would just do it once on the ones you haven’t heard back from on the status of the application. Doesn’t hurt other than the time lost to send the email 😀

[near ocean]

im more interested in the structures of your CVs

maybe theres something im missing

mine's just a single A4 single column CV, name, contact info, GH/linkedin links

then goes on to education

then the one work experience i have

then selected GH repos

[sick mist]

ok, it's upside down then 😄

your work experience > GH repos > education

people evolve a lot after school, so your education is the least relevant of what you can do today

[near ocean]

work experience is irrelevant tho

[sick mist]

AH

[near ocean]

to the positions im applying

[sick mist]

I'm going to be honest, that's a drag then

[near ocean]

yea

i used to do EEE then switched out cause it was not what i was expecting

the internship is at a solar energy company

and my bachelor's is fucking haunting me lmao, its a 2:2

[sick mist]

when you recruit people, you want to have the least effort to put in them before they can perform, so your CV screams "no" right now

[near ocean]

i had the funniest experience the other day with a recruiter

it was literally the day my MSc degree came in the mail

he asked for the grade, then ignored it and said i wasnt a good fit cause of my bachelor's

guy didnt even look at my GH profile

[sick mist]

ok, his reaction makes no sense, I think it's a safe move to ignore it

but some related experience would definitely clear up things for you

I don't know if this can be applicable to you, but you can try small, local consulting firms

usually you can talk you way through the CEO/CTO and they can read a GH repo

[near ocean]

i've started applying to the most entry level positions just to have a slight chance of getting in

[sick mist]

but "recruiters" will just try to play bingo with the buzzwords in your CV and you won't get a chance

[sick mist]

that's a good move

[near ocean]

the local thing might not be a good idea, im currently living near a top10 world university

not sure i'd have a chance there

im purposefully applying to other areas to avoid competing with the big brains

[sick mist]

well, not all "big brains" are employable either, a good profile is not just about acing exams, etc

but if you don't try, you won't know

[near ocean]

to get into top10 you need more than just aced exams

im near cambridge uni

anyway first thing is to restructure my cv

[sick mist]

I live near a very good university as well, and I stand my point 🙂 different strokes for different folks, you can't tell what a company is looking for if you don't try

but yeah, if you're not just out of school right now, your work experience is more important than your education

and in any case, even if it's unrelated, you can still make it look positive for you

for instance, you may want to be, let's say "project manager" but you only worked let's say as "solar panel technician", you can write that you had excellent reviews from your managers, and you were installing more panels than anyone else in the shop, and you got promoted twice in a row, etc

it shows that you are a hard worker, nice to work with, and dependable

which are, would I dare to say, equally important to being able to manage a project, so if you had a project manager related education, and you can demonstrate your soft skills, it's also a win

I'm saying this because I didn't want to sound arrogant in my CV, so I downplayed my successes, and obviously nobody wanted to work with me. Your CV is your first (and sometimes only) chance to get a recruiter attention, so you should cast the best light on yourself, but don't lie

I should dig up my old CV and my new one and put them side by side, I think it would speak for itself 😄

[near ocean]

i dont lie on my CV, and i cant really sell my self sadly, its not one of my talents yet hah

[sick mist]

hehe, me neither, but marketing is a very useful skill to learn, and there are plenty of resources to learn it online

[marsh wind]

yeal it's not a talent, it's something you can train

and for CV, while ther are lots of paid services, if you are lucky you can get a decent CV review on reddit or even on this channel

[sick mist]

there are paid services that review your CVs? I always did it for free 🤣

[marsh wind]

that does sound shocking....

lol I saw people saying they paid 200$ for "Professional" CV review

[true harness]

that sounds like a scam

[fallen dew]

Damn

[marsh wind]

it most likely is

but desperate people can often make un-wise choices

[fallen dew]

If you dig up on reddit there’s a lot of good career advice and tips imo. It’s nice to hear from folks who’ve done something and it’s almost guaranteed that someone has asked the same exact thing on reddit before

I’m sure there are a bunch of different ways to tailor a CV to a specific type of position

[marsh wind]

well, sometimes people a ready to pay to avoid pouring down the drain hours of research by themselves

[sick mist]

My advice would be to have them tailor made, it's basically spear phishing, you need to narrow down your CV and cover letter so the person reading it only wants to schedule an interview. It requires a lot of research and therefore you can't target 200 companies, but it does work. (It's actually the exact opposite of what Linkedin recruiters do)

[marsh wind]

what the do often miss is the fact that those hours are not down the drain - you can actually learn a lot just by doing research on things like CV best practices, career advices and etc

[sick mist]

I had a couple of CVs that I read and I could tell the candidate actually made their homework, and even if things were not 100% aligned, I still wanted to hear what they had to say. I had an intern applying while I wasn't even looking for one, and he ended up being so good that I offered him a job right after he graduated.

[fallen dew]

Redditing certain keywords has definitely helped me with a lot of career and certification related questions in the past

It’s just nice to read genuine comments from people who’ve gone through similar things - although there is often garbage to sift through too lol

(“Redditing” - is that a word? 🤣)

[vapid jay]

it is now 🤣

[fallen dew]

Hell yeah. Too bad I don’t get paid for creating new words 😂

[near otter]

hello

[vapid jay]

This question only for them who have earned $ from selling programming skills:

I had planned to get into freelancing by this year but unfortunately, I have to conclude that I failed. I'll try again in 2021. I have already learned skills like Web Scraping, Creating Bots, Analysing Data with Pandas and Matplotlib and I am also learning Django. I want to get into freelancing before getting an internship (zero experience) I have two questions:

1. What should I prepare before setting up profiles in sites like Upwork?
2. What should my rate per hour be? (w/o experience)

[muted notch]

1. I'd suggest fiverr. I had tried upwork (and a few others), but the platform exp of fiverr was way better than the others. THe skills you already got, are pretty much enough to get you some tasks to begin with. Don't forget to keep adding new weapons in there.
2. About hourly rate, there is no fixed amount you can set. Start with anything. On almost all of gigs on fiverr, the price is 5 bucks. But I haven't done a project less than 50 so far.

[vapid jay]

thanks, I have heard Upwork is easy for transaction thing in here

so, I chose Upwork

[muted notch]

well fiverr allows paypal and payoneer.

[vapid jay]

Can you share me your profile link on private message?

[vapid jay]

not allowed in my country

[muted notch]

sure. I had to put unavailable 'cause I was overbooked. I still am.

[muted notch]

that's bad. What country are ya in?

[vapid jay]

how would a client trust me without having no experience and 0 tasks on fiverr?

what's the secret?

[vapid jay]

🇳🇵

[muted notch]

be transparent. Don't lie about stuff you don't know about. For your initial projects, keep it simple. Tell your clients, that they only need to pay after you have done something for them and they like the work. (I always do that). It keeps it fair for everyone involved and also will motivate you to work hard

[muted notch]

@vapid jay

Payoneer is available in nepal I guess. Not sure though

honestly didn't know PayPal is not available in nepal.

[vapid jay]

there might be a chance of being scammed that way, isn't it?

[muted notch]

there is. But after all you will learn either way, won't you? If you really feel like it, you can have some fraction of it beforehand.

[vapid jay]

government is about to pass a bill about these things

but for now it's complicated

[muted notch]

considering the conditions out there, I'd guess it is.

try to see if payoneer is available for ya or not @vapid jay ?

I'm pretty sure it is

[vapid jay]

I had received a payoneer card back in 2017 (now expired) that process was very complicated. does fiverr offer bank transfers?

[muted notch]

fiverr has bank transfers, but through payoneer. I don't think you need a card though. I mean I used it once and all I did was to create an account.

[vapid jay]

that will work for me

[muted notch]

also the setup is one time I feel

[vapid jay]

I will join fiverr and upwork both as soon as I finish my last sem

[vapid jay]

sounds 👌

[muted notch]

I am on both of them as well. I just don't like the system on upwork. @vapid jay

I mean, writing to people asking them to give you the project, naah. That's why I'm freelancing 😄

[vapid jay]

how do you communicate with your clients?

do you have to do audio calls?

[muted notch]

with a few. Screen share too. But depends on the task. There have been clients who I have only talked to through fiverr chat.

if it is needed, then why not.

[vapid jay]

I am not confident enough to do audio calls and such

😦

[craggy elm]

are "data system engineers" a thing?

[vapid jay]

you know the accent and things for us

[muted notch]

most clients will not force you to do that actually.

[muted notch]

I actually do.

[craggy elm]

just trying to find a phrase that makes sense to everyone to better communicate what im doing right now

[muted notch]

you'd be more than fine on text chats. simple rule, don't take on projects which need you to do that. But remember you'll need to learn that as well. Accent is never an issue. It is natural and it's not a measure of what you know

[muted notch]

it kinda is. I'm inclined to ask what you do? I mean, to most of the people that term would make sense (at least some sense)

[vapid jay]

I will work to improve my spoken english. but, there's no environment around to practice it haha

[wind swan]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/uxemuhenek.py

Calculator in tkinter with sqrt ...

[muted notch]

there is no one better in the world to talk to other than yourself 'cause both of you would know each other very well :p

[muted notch]

quite nice

[vapid jay]

@muted notch have a good day mate. I think there are servers to practice English too. you have a great year ahead 👍

[muted notch]

yes. There is a pretty huge server for english. You'd find that in explore section pretty easily or search for english. Good luck. Wish you the best

[vapid jay]

just forgot add one more questions: apart from web scraping, selenium, bots, data analysis, what are some other skills that sells on freelancing sites?

[craggy elm]

started a new job about 2 months ago - i like it, but im just figuring out how to put it onto my resume - where i do a little bit of data analysis and a lot of:

• redesigning existing data pipelines (read: lot of sql code) so they're able to be tested
• designing new systems coupled with learning more contextual info about the parameters surrounding the new systems

and it's all business data

[muted notch]

you're gonna be fine with that term. although it's not a opinionated term but it does convey the meaning of the role

[craggy elm]

what do you mean by "opinionated"?

[muted notch]

I meant if you search for the term, you may not find a lot of matching stuff with that name.

[glossy pecan]

you're pretty much describing a data engineer

[craggy elm]

fair enough

[glossy pecan]

"data systems engineer" makes no sense tho, for me a systems engineer is lower level than what you do

"data engineer" is a pretty common job title, where you're not a data scientist (which are heavy on statistics) but are proficient with data analysis, and you've got experience putting analysis into production (data pipelines, etc)

[muted notch]

that's what i wanted to say but I got busy elsewhere and forgot about this channel : D

[hearty hemlock]

Wtf write more books

Half of a book who reads that

[craggy elm]

not to be cliche, but are there a lot of data scientist positions these days?

it seems interesting, and i already have an ok basis for statistics & statistical analysis due to having an education in mech. engineering

and i've taken optimisation courses when i was in undergrad

[gloomy tundra]

without certificate i can join any companies?:face_with_monocle:

[ocean ledge]

sure-- what do you know

[gloomy tundra]

thankyou 😍 😊

[ocean ledge]

no i mean what do you know

weak backgrounds are still unforgiven

[unique path]

Is anyone preparing for Google Summer of code, or have experience with the same?
I was planning to participate in GSoC 2021, as I have done a bunch of Machine Learning, NLP and Data Science Projects, also have some entry-level experience with Open-source contribution and Git/GitHub.

I needed an overview and roadmap to qualify GSoC.

[soft galleon]

Hy Guys
I just started learning Data science What things should i cover to become master in Data scientist 🤔

[versed condor]

Hi Guys - recent joiner here and started learning recently. Would love to connect with other beginners

[honest merlin]

am i the only one who wants to become an elite hacker?

[craggy elm]

what a curious question to ask when there is an entire discipline dedicated to preventing people from hacking into secure places

[near ocean]

theres close to 8bil on the planet, youre not the only one wanting to do anything

[round arch]

@honest merlin dont forget to stockpile your black hoodies.. you know, for when you become that elite hacker

[jagged spindle]

Any professional coder who can help me with a project, money to be made.

[near ocean]

this is the second time users here have warned you about rule 6

[honest merlin]

not only do i want to become an elite hacker, but i also want to join Anonymous

[near ocean]

cool, you do you

not python related but you might wanna checkout TryHackMe

its a cybersecurity community

they had an advent for christmas similar to advent of code

where they give you cybersecurity tasks to complete everyday

[vapid jay]

i wanna try doing freelancing but i’m not also that great at python

any place for me to earn some small money?

like a small side job?

i’m like good for a beginner python person

ping when

[vapid jay]

why do you wanna learn to be a hacker

being a hacker doesn’t make yo look cool, and if you want to hack to gain unauthorized access then that’s 1. unethical and 2. illegal

if you wanna be a white hat then go ahead but don’t do anything bad

[sick mist]

@vapid jay if you approach potential customers by downplaying your skills, it will be hard to find gigs. Good news is that usually people don't really want to know if you are good at Python, unless they require an actual Python developer to work on a product. Without focusing on a specific stack, do you have some skills that are in demand, and would allow you to solve some specific business problems?

[vapid jay]

well i don’t rly have a good skill per say

i guess i’ll try to learn how to work with apis

and then help people from there

thx tho

what are some skills do you think i should have as a python beginner

to look for jobs

freelance

earn some easy cash

[sick mist]

well, I'll be honest, people usually outsource issues that would be too time-consuming for them to learn by themselves, so if you are as much of a beginner as they are, they might prefer to learn by themselves rather than paying you to learn on their expense, see?

[vapid jay]

ah

[sick mist]

writing software is work, it requires expertise and hard work, so I would be cautious calling it "easy cash"

[vapid jay]

oh ok

what do you suggest i should do to improve my python skills

so i’m ready to start freelancing

[sick mist]

I would mainly suggest to learn how to solve someone's problem, ideally someone who has money to pay you for it, and if it happens to involve Python, then you'll know what to learn. Python can be used in many, many ways, so there is no one-size-fits-all experience you can get that will unlock a freelancing career.

[vapid jay]

oh

so problem solving?

[sacred fable]

Hi guys, I am young, and I want to start building my resume for when I apply to college. What would you suggest to do as a coder?

[vapid jay]

how young are you

[sick mist]

But freelancing is a tough field to play in, you need to be good at keeping your books, reading and writing contracts, marketing, communication, etc. If you have zero experience, I would highly suggest working for an already established company, so you don't have to learn all of the above on top of Python, and you can focus on building your technical and problem solving skills

[sacred fable]

15

[vapid jay]

oh ok

do you know any companies that will accept novice python coders?

[sick mist]

not in software development companies, unless you are about to graduate, then you can try for an internship

but there are other companies which are not in IT, but rely on software to run, and sometimes they look for developers for their IT teams

places like factories, offices, etc

[vapid jay]

oh ok

thx sm

do you know how i would practice my python skills anywhere?

so i get better

[sick mist]

look at pinned posts in this channel and in #python-discussion there are lists of projects to learn Python by practice

might also be what you are looking for too @sacred fable

[vapid jay]

ah ok thx

[honest merlin]

@vapid jay i want to join Anonymous

[vapid jay]

why

[sick mist]

I'm not sure it's related to this channel

[vapid jay]

they won’t accept you anyway

anonymous is a hacking group not a career

[honest merlin]

you just made me cry

[vapid jay]

and they do unethical things all the time

bruh

[honest merlin]

i want to do it because i want to know if im capable of it

not because of the profit or some crap

[sick mist]

so, this is pretty off-topic, and would probably be better in an off-topic channel, but if you look for challenge in the security field, there are plenty of interesting careers, both in red and blue teams, and keeping your job in that industry is definitely worth more than joining a script kiddies boys club

so if you want to work in that field, there are plenty of resources online for learning specific branches of infosec, but most importantly, staying away from legal trouble should be the first item on the list, depending on where you live and how old you are, you could quickly do something that could get you in more trouble than you bargained for

now, if you want to add Python in the mix, it's a popular tool for piping data between infosec tools, performing automated network analysis, managing asset inventories, etc

you can also contribute to the vast amount of open-source tools used daily by security analysts and which are often coded ad-hoc and without quality in mind 😏

you could even make yourself a name by writing good tools for infosec professionals, which is ironically something you couldn't do if you were ... anonymous 🥁

[toxic obsidian]

Hello, i have a quick question.

Is it required to have \ lern Linux to find a job as a backend or frontend ?

[near ocean]

it would be preferable for you to be familiar with some commands and moving around the terminal

[dry sapphire]

being able to use a terminal is p important

[toxic obsidian]

alright, ty for the tip i will do that more then

[willow palm]

Could I have a serious talk with you guys? I really need some help convincing my parents that taking Computer Science to my higher level is worth it, because if I can't convince them in a few months then it'll suddenly be really hard for me to get into the CS industry.

[toxic obsidian]

i'd love to help

[maiden solar]

show them salary of IT industry, even for entry level 😆

[toxic obsidian]

+show what have u done and that u really love it

[willow palm]

Ah yeah, I tried both of those things two years ago, showed them salaries, what I've done, that I enjoy it, etc... but they prefer medicine and such

[sick mist]

If they want to become doctors you can tell them it's not too late for them

But I've seen too many people drop from their studies because it was not their own choice. Getting a degree is hard and requires dedication and motivation. If you don't believe in what you do, you're wasting your time and money

[willow palm]

I agree, and when I'm 18 I won't take a degree in what they want as it's my choice, but I won't be able to take something in CS, for example, as they have to sign off for me to do CS now and I won't be eligible for CS

[sick mist]

Did they explain their position on why CS isn't a good path for you?

[near ocean]

is it really up to them what you study

[willow palm]

Until I'm 18 they have to sign off on most of it, yes.

They didn't, no.

Replied in reverse order to confuse you both

[sick mist]

Well, that's probably the first step, as in any negotiation, is to gather both parties positions, so you're playing with an open game

[near ocean]

sure they have to sign off on some things but dont you also have to sign off on stuff

[sick mist]

If they don't show their cards they will always pull another one and the discussion will be endless

[willow palm]

Yeah I get that, but getting anything off of their side is like getting blood from a stone

[mild zenith]

If it's something you're truly passionate about, it's worth the blood, sweat, and tears

Because like you said, this could impede your progress

[near ocean]

what country is this, out of interest

[willow palm]

England

[sick mist]

It seems they are not open to discussion, which is sad, but if you want to live forward, at some point they will have to give you something. They're your parents, and likely they believe they're doing you a service, try to have them explain in their own words

[near ocean]

did you show them what doctors are going through right now with the pandemic?

[sick mist]

But in the end, I don't think things are desperate either, 18 is a fine age to enter university and start a degree in CS, so even if nothing works out, you can still "reboot" your education after you have your own say

I only started actual CS when I was 18, but I've been doing programming on the side since I was 16

[near ocean]

realistically, what can they do if you refuse to go into med school

the uk offers financial support to estranged students btw

[sick mist]

That's a really "last resort" option, having a talk first should be the very first step 😅

But if you need examples of people who studied CS and turned out just fine, you have plenty of good examples here ☺️

Good luck with your parents and don't lose hope, there's always a way out 👍

[golden tundra]

If I understand the British university system correctly, ciara would need to apply to a specific degree for uni and changing degrees is much more complicated than in the US. So I’m guessing what ciara means isn’t that 18 is too late to start learning programming, it’s that without the right A levels or whatever, getting admitted for a CS degree becomes much harder

[near ocean]

a levels arent really a problem, just take a broad collection of them to get you into both medschool and cs

pick up maths, chem, physics, etc

getting into med school will be harder than cs

[golden tundra]

Also, I don’t know how British med school is, but in America, it’d take you about 8 years of education (assuming 4 years of undergrad) to finish schooling, and then you’d need to do your residency, which pays quite low

So if part of their desire for medicine is because of the pay, have you pointed out to them that the pay is going to be dreadful for quite some time? @willow palm

[near ocean]

its more of a prestige thing

like with lawyers, teachers, etc

[golden tundra]

I mean yes, I get that

But at least in America, part of the prestige is usually the pay

[near ocean]

if you make it, anywhere in the world, you get paid by the buttload as a doctor

like, make it make it

which is hard and unlikely but they only see the top percenters

[golden tundra]

I am aware of this

I’m from a family of medical professionals

[near ocean]

doctors arent really in a good place right now anyway, no matter how much theyre taking home

[golden tundra]

That’s not a great argument though unless you’re expecting the pandemic to continue for the next 8 years

[willow palm]

it also isn't just medicine, they'd be happy if i took law or other stuff

[golden tundra]

To me, it makes more sense to concentrate on the consistent factors that are going to be there regardless of pandemic

Do you know specifically what careers they’d like from you aside from law and medicine?

Is there a specific reason for them? (Prestige, pay, stability, etc)

[willow palm]

it's about the prestige

[golden tundra]

Certainly reminds me of my father

[near ocean]

arent lawyers the most hated profession?

[golden tundra]

Ah, Asian parents

Lawyers are more kind of simultaneously reviled and respected, in my opinion

Best I can sum it up is “You probably have questionable morals, but you must be smart.”

What do your parents think of engineers, incidentally? I feel like engineers tend to have at least medium prestige associated with them
“Software engineer” sounds way cooler than “programmer.”

[willow palm]

yeah no they hate engineering

[golden tundra]

Huh, that’s kind of unusual. I feel like nowadays, most people are at least neutral towards engineering

Do you know why?

[willow palm]

not really no

[golden tundra]

I was going to say I think your best bet is to try to build an argument about CS being prestigious, but I don’t think that’s going to work unless you can also find out why they hate engineering

If your parents are being tight lipped and you have other relatives (like aunts/uncles), you might want to see if they can provide insight

[celest python]

If I am wanting to go into the cyber security field, what are some things I should learn how to do in python?

[stark sail]

what is the best thing to buy to improve the chances of getting hired?

[vapid jay]

You cant buy a thing that will raise ur chances of getting hired

[stark sail]

let me put it another way, maybe you are very competent, but you are not even asked for an interview because you do not have such a certificate or course

[dry sapphire]

I think you can...

[prime prawn]

based on where you applying to, if you have a bunch of demo projects that show your skill in the CV most company will take a look at it

[dry sapphire]

...of course, whether you should is another question altogether.

[stark sail]

what would you recommend?

[copper quartz]

do you guys think 60k in austin is low for an entry level software engineer?

[true turtle]

are you in highschool? I don't think you need to take CS in HS to be able to take CS for higher studies

then again, you should definitely convince your parents to let you take CS in HS

if that's what you are interested in

[warped apex]

any software engenier that i can hire to give me advice on how to solve a problem?

[neon ridge]

hey everybody

[ornate swallow]

hi

hello

hey

[modest dew]

My high school doesn't have computer science rip

The closest thing I have is IDT

I'm Australian, would like to study in the US

[violet notch]

how much money does becomign a web developer in python make annually?

[near ocean]

It depends

[vapid jay]

iirc if you are that desperate for a US education , you might first try to talk with your school head and ask him if they have any electives for computer science related course

Other thing you can do is check the Uni/College (you would like to apply in the US) requirements . For most i don't think you need a Computer Science subject as a must in high school so you might get lucky (Most need Physics , Maths , English and then the rest for foreign students , though foreign students don't have separate requirements {i.e same as locals} btw)

If you know that you need Computer Science in High School to apply for a college for sure , then you might have to resort to sitting for Pearson Open Exams or anything equivalent which is recognised outside like IGCSE or A/AS levels or Pearson Opens as i said. Don't do this if you are not serious about it since it may require you to drop a year or make your australian high school degree not creditable (just a maybe case) but again do this if you know a) your preferred uni in US requires CS in high school b) you really really really need to get in the uni.

Also on a added note , if you want to study outside of your country that is from AUS to US you would want to get a SAT and an english proficiency certificate

P.S. Australia also has fine (decent) education why are you looking out to US ?

[modest dew]

Ah thanks Australia is good but I feel like there are more opportunities in the US

Wait what 😆

[vapid jay]

what is IDT btw

never heard of it

[modest dew]

Information Processes and Technology

[vapid jay]

ah

[modest dew]

Kinda like IST but better

You know IST?

[vapid jay]

you know for a fact that you need CS in High School to apply to your uni of choice ?

[vapid jay]

nope

[modest dew]

Well I don’t think so

[vapid jay]

That might be it . As long as you have maths and english (not even maths in some colleges) you should be fine ig

[modest dew]

But isn’t it good to have some previous knowledge

[vapid jay]

well you can read up on it

the basics

of CS

[modest dew]

Oh okay

[vapid jay]

atmost you would want to know the bottom layer of computing

[modest dew]

Wait are you studying CS also

Ah nice

[vapid jay]

https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

here is a good article on the stuff you can read up if you feel like you are up for it

not needed really imo but if you want then sure

[modest dew]

Oh thanks :)

Wow that’s really detailed

[steel coyote]

Hello everyone, quick question. Will joining programming competitions and stuff like that really help me get a job in the future? Like, are employers interested in that type of stuff?

[sick mist]

I wouldn't say it will directly help you get a job, no. However, it will likely expose you to data structures, and programming patterns that you might not know about, and expand your horizons. In that sense, yes. Also, some companies use puzzles and challenges in their recruitment process, so getting used to the method to solve these could also give you an edge there.

However, building software is a marathon, not a race, so you should much likely never apply the methods used in competition while writing software that is supposed to have a shelf life 😄

[near ocean]

its something to put on your cv, as long as it doesnt negatively affect you or your grades then go for it

[steel coyote]

yeah well if its a random competition though I shouldn't be putting in my CV right?

[sick mist]

you can put it in "hobbies" in that case 😉

[near ocean]

how random of a competition

im pretty sure every company appreciates a candidate with hackathon experience over one without

i would even go as far to say that stuff like hacktoberfest could be put in a cv

it shows a candidates interest in open source contribution

not so much for leetcode weekly competitions tho

[golden tundra]

@modest dew Most US colleges let you pick what you study once you’re in college. You’re not accepted for a specific degree. So you should be able to get a CS degree even if you don’t study CS in high school

That’s not true for all schools, especially some of the bigger ones which have multiple mini “schools” within them, you might have to apply to a specific mini school and it can be really hard to transfer to another mini-school

[wicked juniper]

Hello Python programmers, do anyone want me to work with them on some projects can contact me because i am willing to work and collab in order to work with anyone here

[golden tundra]

So you’d want to narrow down what schools you’re interested in first and see what their specific policies are

And really, if you’re set on a US school, you’d probably want to focus on getting into one to begin with and not with a specific focus. It’s common to change majors/interests in school

As a side note, US higher ed is incredibly expensive and financial aid tends to be limited for international students, so I wanted to flag that for you if you weren’t already aware

[vapid jay]

Pardon me but the "it will not directly help with getting a job" is kinda not true . programming competitions give a solid idea for what (not How) to expect in coding interviews especially DSA part so hiring gets far easier . Even Uni students aren't (directly) taught stuff that is asked in interviews . So it is definitely a far wide edge which is helpful as a toolset . Also the competitions teach a tonne for writing "optimized" code (not as in better techniques per say) but on how to approach a problem so it is quite beneficial IMO.

on the flip side , you pick up a lot of bad practices and have a brute attitude which isn't necessarily involved in a real dev job

Yes it has little to no practicality after you are hired since mostly it is some framework with real datasets in a job to evaluate so it might not help there but for getting hired it does help much since majority of interviews are said based

@steel coyote

[muted notch]

Competitive programming does help greatly in hiring (and at some places, in career advancement and performance). It shows that you're capable of learning stuff which is a great stuff. However it is never a necessity but I'd suggest having some knowledge of it at least. IT improves your logical thinking greatly (not when you just wanna do front end of course but having more weapons in your inventory never hurts)

[vapid jay]

tru ^

[muted notch]

yeah. In simplest words, do not miss out on it if you are capable of doing it. And just don't miss out on at least an attempt, no matter how your algorithmic skills are

[steel coyote]

but would just having the skills be enough? or would I have to have participated in competitive programming before?

[near ocean]

ofc you'd have to participate, how else are you gonna show them youre interested in those things

[honest merlin]

I want to be a Russian hacker

[stark sail]

you have any olympic medals?

if so

you are in

https://www.imo-official.org/problems/IMO2015SL.pdf

[peak halo]

@rare sand what direction were you wanting the careers discussion to go?

[rare sand]

oh iunno, maybe it's over.

[peak halo]

I have a thousand things I need to do this month, especially with the move I just signed myself up for. I told myself I'd start applying to places around now.

[silk snow]

Do you think knowing python, two years of marketing experience, and a bachelors degree will get me a good chance at landing a job?

[peak halo]

a marketing job? I would assume so, and knowing programming would probably help a lot with that job

or were you wanting to do a career change?

[silk snow]

Well I had a marketing job that was leading to no where, being my first out of school

but I don't mind a career change as long as it's more computer based

@peak halo

[summer roost]

Are you self taught at Python, or did you take classes in it? Have you learned any data structures and algorithms? What's the most complex thing you've built?

It's possible to get a job as a programmer even without any schooling, but having taken some programming classes definitely helps, a lot. In lieu of that, companies will usually want to see some relatively large projects that you've completed. If you are self taught, try applying to jobs, but if you find you're having trouble, consider enrolling in a bootcamp, or some online classes, or something. When you're self-taught, and don't have a degree + GPA to point to as proof that you know something, you'll need to both put in more work to learn the skills that employers want from entry-level programmers, as well as to prove that you have them.

[silk snow]

I've only been learning python for 3 months. @summer roost so I am definitely not a pro. I am however using a mcgraw-hill book to learn

[tranquil cave]

Yo

Some dude on forbes 30 under 30

tought himself coding at age 12-13

and he got into college at 13

and hes an businessman now

[silk snow]

That's an exception to the rule lol

[tranquil cave]

oh yes

its an anomaly

for sure

[silk snow]

I'm trying to learn it so I can get better with data management

[summer roost]

you're competing with people who spent several years learning software development basics in a dedicated environment. 3 months is probably not gonna land you a job.

does the college you got your BS from happen to offer a CS degree? If you want a job as a software developer, either a BS or at least an aggressive bootcamp would improve your chances by a lot. That, and/or a portfolio that shows a relatively large program or two that you've built.

[silk snow]

I didn't expect it to. I am still striving for marketing career

But I cannot afford to get a CS degree

[summer roost]

ah, so your goal is a marketing job, not a programming job?

[near ocean]

Could go the python/tableau route

Or any other visualisation tool really

[summer roost]

some amount of programming ability is helpful in just about any office job, though I don't know anything about marketing in particular.

[near ocean]

Probably some amount?

Making scripts that calculate some kind of risk amount

Basic math stuff i guess

[prime prawn]

i think that related to data science

[summer roost]

I don't even know what those are 😄 but - some amount of programming is useful in just about any job, because it helps you do just about any office job better. Imagine using AutoHotKey to speed up your job, or Excel formulas, or VBA macros for Excel, etc...

not right now, no

[dreamy junco]

@vapid jay

[dry sapphire]

anyone have any knowledge of PayPal technical interviews for SWEs?

[vapid jay]

uhhh, I am 14 and a 9th grader, I am kinda good at python now, so I wanted to go for data science and machine learning, unfortunately they require a lot of math which is quite high level, should I go for the math or probably learn something else like selenium?

or maybe another language?

[summer roost]

Making sense of data science is going to require at least high school math, if not college math - you definitely need at minimum to know a fair amount of statistics. If you want to learn that math ahead of schedule, I'm not going to discourage you, but if you're feeling pretty confident in your Python skills, learning another language is always a great idea.

[vapid jay]

thanks

[summer roost]

you'll find that if you learn another language, you'll probably find things that you like about it more than Python, and things that you like less, and it will make some things that you already know make more sense.

and probably make some things that you didn't fully understand make sense to you for the first time.

[vapid jay]

yea, I was going to learn c# and I believe what you say is probably true

[summer roost]

reasonable choice! JavaScript, Rust, or C would also be good choices for a second language.

you could try one of those after C# 😄

[vapid jay]

thanks a lot for your advice 😄

[vapid jay]

How do I make profile /show my works to apply as a data analyst. Like if I have to apply for web development, without experience; I can create some dummy websites to show off my skills. I have implied my data analysis skills in some small tasks. How can I convince I know this set of skills for the internship/ entry level jobs?

[steel coyote]

Hello guys, do you know of a university that is both not impossible to get accepted into, and also fairly good for CS.

I did my own research already but I'm just here for your opinions.

[marsh wind]

I guess mentioning a country(s) would help you to get some answers

[nimble cedar]

does aerospace engineering use python? if so, what other langs r used?

[unique path]

It shouldn't matter that much, in today's date. I hate my uni, though I am in my final year of Computer Engineering. I would say focus more on self-learning path, lol.

[unique path]

Python could be used till some extend, like creating some AI application, but I would say MATLAB would be used more in aerospace engineering.

[nimble cedar]

k thx

[potent wyvern]

Focus on tools rather than languages ...which part of aerospace are you aiming for ?

Python can be used as a add on...or improve existing skills it can't be the sole reason you get. The job

[vapid jay]

if youre referring to threat analysis / OSINT there was a team that handled that at my summer internship and afaik none of them had developer backgrounds, they use tool suites like Recorded Future and just fill in params

[vapid jay]

depends where youre at. flagship state colleges typically get more funding and attention from recruiters in those regions but being located near big job markets is a plus as well. But if you're looking for nationally recognizable compsci schools then you'll find very few outside the top 30-ish. self learning is the real differentiator though as Gaurav said

[steel coyote]

I see...

Hey btw, so another question. If say, I wanted to be a data scientist can I just major in CS rather than data science?

If data science is even a major

[exotic valve]

For data science I would suggest an "area" over a major. There are three majors in this "area" that you need to do well in data science: Math, Statistics, and CS. How you split the difference is up to you.

@steel coyote

[steel coyote]

wait

wait a second, so there isn't a "data science" major is there?

[exotic valve]

that depends on the university

I'm sure some do

[near ocean]

data science is usually a masters thing

[steel coyote]

Can I just major in CS and become a data scientist anyways?

like, when I'm applying for a data scientist job, are they looking for a data science major?

I'm not looking to get a master's degree I've been advised that it's not worth it if you're not going for an "academic" career approach]

[exotic valve]

You need a good background in theoretical and computational linear algebra from Math; Probability Theory, Random Variables, and Random Processes from Statistics; and Data Structures, Algorithms, Language theory, and software development from CS

I don't know that you need a MS to do all of that

Major in CS and minor in Math and Stats

[near ocean]

most data science jobs ask either for a datascientist or a statistician

since teaching a stats guy to code is far simpler than teaching a cs guy to stats

[steel coyote]

but mariosis

do you not agree with runningupthathill?

that it's fine if I major CS and minor in Maths and Stats

that seems like a pretty good answer to me

[near ocean]

for a data science career?

[steel coyote]

yes

[near ocean]

data science isnt a single degree kinda career path

[steel coyote]

however, I don't really want to be handcuffed to only being able to do data science, I want to be able to explore

but I want to focus on data science at first

so don't you think runningupthathill's solution is good in this case?

[near ocean]

youre most definitely gonna need postgrad education

[steel coyote]

hold up, what's that

[exotic valve]

I think he means more than a BS

[near ocean]

MSc or PhD

[exotic valve]

yup

[steel coyote]

dang, I'm not really looking for that though... so I need a masters degree at least ???

[exotic valve]

many of the job openings I see in Data Science require or at least prefer a MS/PhD

[steel coyote]

doesn't a master's degree require like 3 extra years or something?

[exotic valve]

2 if you go full time, but YMMV

[near ocean]

depends, in the uk its 1

[steel coyote]

woah

[near ocean]

elsewhere its 2

or more

[steel coyote]

well my scholarship program doesn't really fund extra years so I can't go for that even if I wanted to

okay

soooo

[near ocean]

i would do the CS major thing

[exotic valve]

I think my suggestion would be a good start in that case

worry about the rest later

[near ocean]

you can get into DS postgrad with cs anyway

[steel coyote]

say I do what runningupthathill said, major in CS and minor in Maths and Stats. There, won't I have a chance at software engineering jobs AND data science jobs?

[near ocean]

yes, definitely

granted you get good grades

[steel coyote]

well I'll work as hard as I can

well thanks guys, this was really really helpful

[sage tree]

Hey i am lokesh ... I just have a question .... Can i get a job as a fresher if i know python basics and advanced ?... Is it enough?

[shadow moss]

Maybe, but not likely, I recommend picking up Java/Kotlin, NodeJS, C#

[tranquil cave]

Any data science jobs

college students

Lemme list qualifications

Math and Stats

Python

Tensorflow

NumPy

Java

Pandas

scikit-learn

statsmodels

[steel coyote]

Yeye

Guys another question...

When I'm applying to a university before I graduate highschool, and I don't yet have my GPA, what do I do??? My scholarship program requires me to have my application ready before school ends!!!

Guys I need big help here nothing is clear on the internet, it talks about predicted grades and what which I have no idea about either

[prime breach]

@steel coyote contact the university admissions office/scholarship program coordinator and ask them directly

[earnest plover]

hey guys I just wanted to ask, is compsci necessary if you want to get into entrepreneurship and run tech companies? or get into fintech/ the startup world?

[golden tundra]

@steel coyote You can calculate your own GPA if you know your grade history

I did it because my school didn’t use a 4.0 system

[keen seal]

What's the difference between Computer Science and Computer Engineering?

[jolly furnace]

from what ive heard comp eng deals with more lower level stuff than comp sci

gonna write more assembly

[near ocean]

I think its just a degree title thing some universities have

[jolly furnace]

i mean if u look at the courses

they are different

in terms of the aims of the courses

although many ppl with those two degrees do the same thing

they do have different aims

[keen seal]

whats assembly?

[jolly furnace]

a readable interpretation of machine code in a sense

that there is a one to one translation between assembly and isa instructions

[summer roost]

from what I've seen, if a school offers computer engineering, computer science, and software engineering, they're in roughly that order from lowest level to highest level. Computer engineering is a lot about how computers physically work - from "how does electricity work" up through "how does memory work" and "how does a CPU work", etc. Software engineering is about the applied practice of writing software, with a focus on maintainability and testability and teamwork and project management. Computer science is somewhere in between the two - it's a lot about the theory and math background behind computer software and algorithms, but you will also have some classes that touch upon how hardware works (in my school they were "Systems Architecture 1" and "Systems Architecture 2"), as well as some classes that touch upon design patterns for larger software systems.

or to look at it a different way, computer engineering focuses primarily on hardware, software engineering focuses primarily on software, and computer science falls somewhere in between, along with teaching much more math and algorithms theory than either of the others.

[spark horizon]

How essential is a degree for software development jobs?

My current company needed people asap and paid me enough to drop out so now I dont have a degree. Now, they are willing to pay for my schooling to finish my degree if I wish, but I have a good job already and if software development careers can be achievable without a degree then I can just learn and transition from my current role to a programming one.

[summer roost]

If you want a software development job, I'd take them up on the offer. Once you've had a few years of professional software development under your belt, the degree is mostly optional. Most places will hire you based on a few years of doing software development at another company, even without a degree. But the degree certainly won't hurt, and you'll learn things that you won't pick up on your own just by having a programming job (some of the more underlying theory, etc), and if it's free it can only help you.

and there are some places that absolutely will not hire someone who doesn't have a specific degree.

though whether or not you'd want to work for such a place anyway is debatable... that sort of rigidity is not necessarily indicative of a great work environment.

[signal badger]

any indian here??

[vapid jay]

I'm Bangali, I know Hindi btw 😊

[steel coyote]

guys, when I looked at universities, they required a GPA, but my school system is percentage based... can I just send them that?

[near ocean]

You can ask your tutor for a projected grade and in the preferred format

[ocean nacelle]

how to study python

[summer roost]

You could also convert it yourself. https://pages.collegeboard.org/how-to-convert-gpa-4.0-scale

take all of your percentage grade, convert each of them to a GPA according to that chart, and take the average - that's your grade point average.

[steel coyote]

but wouldn't the different education systems vary in difficulty?

for example, if I took this scale, I'd be 4.0.

but the education system in my country is arguably significantly easier than say, in america.

wouldn't I need to take that into consideration?

[summer roost]

I think "no" is the best answer. They'll see your GPA, and they'll see what your high school was (and what country it's in), and they can do with that as they will.

that's not any different than if you tell them that you had a 92% average - that also means something different depending on the difficulty of the school, but it's up to them to figure that out.

[maiden solar]

just use your country standard, there's no a-standard-rule-them-all in education systems. It depends on them, they'll figure that out.

[steel coyote]

I see, well in that case why would I go through the trouble of converting it to GPA?

cause my friend a while ago told me that I'd have to go somewhere for them to "officially" convert my percent mark into GPA

is that true?

[summer roost]

that's not something I've heard of - the table I linked you to is the only way I'm aware of converting percentage grades to GPAs.

[summer roost]

converting to GPA just lets them compare everyone on the same scale. Even in the US, some schools are more difficult than others - GPA doesn't take that into account. It's just a measure for whether you tended to complete classes with a score that's more like 100%, or more like 80%

[steel coyote]

I see... Thanks dude! it seems significantly harder to apply for a university as an international student, given that some of the documents and things they require just don't exist in my education system... hopefully I can make it workout though.

[summer roost]

you're probably not the first person from your country to apply to the school - don't underestimate the power of just calling the admissions office and asking questions.

someone should be able to tell you what it is that they need (and if international phone calls are expensive for you, look into making VOIP calls)

your school might also be able to help some - though I'd expect the university to be able to help more.

and, good luck 🙂

seriously, though: people really, genuinely want to help. As annoying and 20th century as it is, making phone calls and talking one-on-one with someone can help much, much more than you think.

[steel coyote]

Yeah for sure dude! I'll see if I can get into contact with the universities I'm trying to apply to...

[hardy salmon]

hi is it worth going into cybersecurity? its always been a thought but ive heard you can easily get good jobs (nowadays being that comp sci and tech is booming). what are some pros to it i guess?

im a third year comp sci major right now but im kind of thinking of cybersecurity after (since my uni unfortunately doesn't offer a major in Cybersecurity)

[distant urchin]

hi, what does it mean of "L" in indian currency? like this "₹12L – ₹22L" and what is the equivalent of this one to US dollar?

[last torrent]

thats lakhs

12-22 lakhs

thts almost 16400$ -30000$

[summer roost]

1 lakh is 100,000 rupees?

[vapid jay]

Yes

[gusty fossil]

ya

[honest lintel]

#python-discussion

[delicate lotus]

Hello

Is Python data science a good career?

[vapid jay]

do you want to python data science?

@delicate lotus

[bronze gazelle]

Anyone here do free lance development and how did you guys get into it?

[neon moat]

what do you mean by freelance? do you mean being a contractor? do you mean contracting while working 100% remote?

to be a contractor thats continually in demand, you need years of solid experience as well as a solid network of people in the industry

[bronze gazelle]

Like I have a 40 hr week job but I'd like to get a second gig where someone needs something coded and do it for them

Feel like I've gotten a good enough grasp with python now to do it but have no idea how to start.

I also don't thinks anyone would hire me

[neon moat]

there are loads of freelancing websites about, just have to sign up and offer your services and advertise your experience i guess

[near ocean]

You could take a look at upwork, fiverr, stuff like that

[neon moat]

^

[vapid jay]

Looking for a DEV

[ocean ledge]

how much are you paying

[delicate lotus]

do you want to python data science?
@vapid jay yes, data analysis and data science

I'm already very familiar with the 3 main modules, I'd like to learn an AI framework

Pytorch or tensorflow?

[vapid jay]

well, from what I have gathered, you will need a degree as employers don't trust 'self thought' data analists

[delicate lotus]

A computer science degree?

[vapid jay]

data science / analythics

[delicate lotus]

I'm interested in both

[vapid jay]

there are fewer jobs than just programming/ dev, you will be expected to know a bit of dev too. It's frustrating/ nerve wrecking as the data you gather may be useless at the end or not helpful.

and other bullshit like in any other proffession

I read a few articles that a data scientist wrote. Just can't give links as I did not write them down. You can search on your own though

[opaque abyss]

if anyone looking for a programmer, dm me

[vapid jay]

k

[delicate lotus]

I'm looking to pursue a computer science degree

[vapid jay]

that is about what I gathered. You could maybe find a person doing the actual job, and ask them. In the world of social media I expect some would be more than happy to share and quite easy to find

[delicate lotus]

Thx

Don't they reward skills for self taught programmers? I mean at an employment interview I can get a test on spot

[opaque abyss]

can anyone help me find a job online? i have no degree but im very experienced with programming

[vapid jay]

What is imortant is that you find your path and stick to it

[delicate lotus]

can anyone help me find a job online? i have no degree but im very experienced with programming
@opaque abyss fiverr

[opaque abyss]

can fiverr pay in crypto?

[delicate lotus]

Fiverr is the best place

You can make money easely and quick

[opaque abyss]

do they pay in crypto?

as i dont have a paypal

[delicate lotus]

Crypto?

Welp the thing is

You set the terms further

With your employer

Some asks for a responsive website?

33$/h

You go in

[opaque abyss]

isnt fiverr filled with indians ?

i mean lots of unskilled people ?

[delicate lotus]

isnt fiverr filled with indians ?
@opaque abyss nah

[opaque abyss]

it'd be pretty hard to get a job

[delicate lotus]

Indians are not necessarily unskilled just annoying and hard to understand

[summer roost]

That's incredibly racist.

[delicate lotus]

That's incredibly racist.
@summer roost it's a statement of fact

Go to any Indian programing channel

You'll at best case need to set the video speed to 1.5+

At worst

For them

You exit the course and never look back

You resort to Indians only if you are at the wits end with something

And can't further loose your mind

[summer roost]

that is painting a country with over a billion people with an absurdly broad brush - which is the literal definition of prejudice.

[delicate lotus]

Don't bribe me, my prejudices are clear

If they want to teach other people stuff online

Learn English correctly

Not just 100 words

[summer raptor]

have you checked literally every person in the entirety of india?
if not then it's a generalisation and you probably don't actually have proper proof

[delicate lotus]

To ponder a go-to-the-store convo

In my early days of programing

Indians have been a pain in the ass

[summer raptor]

also hang on a second who's bribing you

[opaque abyss]

lol

[delicate lotus]

Either it was another 10 hour basics video where it teaches you variables over and over again

And its just the copycat of another tutorial

Most likely the maker of the video doesn't know to code himself

Just reads a script from a website like analyticsvidhya

[blazing dew]

!tempmteu 470192160806010880

!tempmute 470192160806010880

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @delicate lotus until 2021-01-01 23:25 (59 minutes and 59 seconds).

[blazing dew]

I can't spell

[summer roost]

well, as a counterpoint, several of the best engineers I've ever worked with were Indian, including one who was without a doubt the best mentor I ever had. I admit I had trouble with his accent at first, but learning to communicate with him resulted in me learning a ton of things that I otherwise would never have learned.

[blazing dew]

oh shit this is the careers channel

interesting

[opaque abyss]

why did you mute him ?

[blazing dew]

so I can investigate

I'm not letting this conversation move any further

[opaque abyss]

yea it went a bit off topic lol

i just wanted a job :(

[summer roost]

It looks like fiverr can't pay in bitcoin, but there are other freelancing sites that can, if you can't get a paypal account.

[opaque abyss]

name?

[opaque abyss]

can you have paypal without credit card?

i tried but money got frozen before

idk if that changed

[marsh wind]

Problem is not off-topic, rather rasist implications...

Have you checked upwork?

I know it is popular too

[summer roost]

yes, you can - though I don't know exactly what they require, I know you can set up paypal with a bank account and no credit card

[opaque abyss]

i dont have a bank account..

[marsh wind]

Did not check upwork for crypto tho

[summer roost]

I haven't used any of these, but https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5phkbe/fiverr_has_officially_stopped_using_bitcoin_as_a/dcrb00i?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 suggests some freelancing sites that allow payment in bitcoin.

it's generally free or very inexpensive to create a bank account, at least in all countries I'm familiar with.

[opaque abyss]

next year i will get a bank account

[summer roost]

just be careful to avoid ones with minimum balance requirements.

[opaque abyss]

why ?

[summer roost]

they charge a fee if you don't keep at least X amount of money in them, so if you aren't confident that you can meet that, they can wind up costing you money.

[opaque abyss]

im very inexperienced with bank stuff so thank you

[marsh wind]

as in 2022?

[opaque abyss]

yes

2022 i will create bank account

[marsh wind]

If you Cannot have it due to age restrictions can you perhaps ask parents or relatives? Cause sites like fiverr or upwork has certain reputation so less risk of being scammed I suppose

[summer roost]

if you're in the US, https://www.thebalance.com/best-no-fee-checking-accounts-4163044 might be helpful.

[opaque abyss]

sadly im not

[opaque abyss]

i can't

its a taboo to use bank account / credit cards around here outside of getting your paycheck lol

[summer roost]

Yeah, I'd be much more worried about being scammed, or about clients not paying, on less popular sites.

[summer roost]

you'd literally be using it to get your paycheck 😉

[opaque abyss]

true lol! but i doubt they would allow me

[summer roost]

it might be worth having the conversation, and explaining what your alternative options are.

I have trouble imagining that bitcoin would be less taboo than a bank account

but you know your culture. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque abyss]

no i wouldnt cash out on bitcoin in here

i will keep it then become rich

:D

anyways thanks for helping

learned more :3

[bitter sand]

hey guys i just entered the college and i want to be learn code languages so can somebody send me book or free toturial so ican learn to be professional on it thanks

[summer roost]

!resources @bitter sand

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[modest dew]

Thanks Rebel 👍

[modest dew]

What do you mean 🤔

[fringe belfry]

for a beginner level python dev, only experience is working on a team of testers building an automated testing framework for one of our companies biggest applications (ServiceNow) any other skills one should pick up before interviewing for python jobs. Lots of companies have so much in the descriptions

[vapid jay]

looking for a python dev

[vapid jay]

I'm on the job search for a backend or full stack position. Also interested in just networking with people. I am currently helping start a nonprofit, making a website and app. Django is my favorite backend framework, but I know flask too. I have experience with frontend development as well. I also have some experience with system design. Message or ping me and we can talk!

[vapid jay]

Someone ghost pinged me here

[vapid jay]

@vapid jay is coding expert

[stark sail]

https://www.imo-official.org/
https://www.ipho-new.org/

[modest dew]

Hm no

[vapid jay]

When did you feel confident enough that you were ready to apply to software jobs? Was it your algorithms knowledge? Personal projects?

[near ocean]

I started applying before i even finished uni or had anything decent to showcase

What do you have to lose anyway

[vapid jay]

People tell me I have imposter syndrome

[near ocean]

You do, start applying

We'll get over it at some point

[vapid jay]

I'd say that networking is more important then applying. Just throwing your resume at jobs can be draining and morally degrading if you are trying to get your first job <- that's me.

But at the end of the day you have to keep going

I had imposter syndrome the first round. Now that I feel confident it is still a grind

But I like what I am doing. Now that I am networking more and doing work that makes my portolio better it makes it easier to keep sending out the applications

[queen silo]

I think most of us(Freshers) have it.

[queen silo]

please share your experience, it will help me, coz i am also at same stage of my life, i am in the Last year of my Engineering

[onyx steeple]

Can I look for a career in the video game industry if I know Python and have experience in Machine Learning/ Artificial Intelligence?

[glacial bough]

hi, i am a 15 year old and i am pretty new to programming, I could say I am intermediate in Python but a beginner in C++ and Java script. I am starting to see some videos talking about python not being worth learning in 2021. I am looking to become a software engineer and hopefully work in a huge tech company like google, miscrosoft or facebook. Should I continue in the path of Python or look at learning a different language?

[fallen dew]

Python not worth learning? 🤔🤔🤔

[glacial bough]

i saw a video about it

[fallen dew]

Yeah there will be different opinions about everything out there. I wouldn’t put too much weight on one vid

[glacial bough]

ya i went ahead and did more research turns out this video is the only one, i was just a bit surprised and got scared that i was wasting my time

[fallen dew]

I’m not an expert at all but from anything I’ve seen, it looks like Python is only increasing in popularity

But maybe they’re under the impression that the market will be saturated with people who know python so it won’t be as worth it or something

But I don’t think that’s true either

[shadow moss]

Few companies hire straight Python only developers, having knowledge of JS or Java/Kotlin or C# is always great.

[glacial bough]

Thank you, I am currently working on learning different languages to have a head start when becoming a software engineer. I read a lot about the need for background in many programming languages.

[shadow moss]

Sure but companies are more likely to hire Java/C# only programmer over Python only programmer because both of those languages are typed and heavily OOP meaning programmer can transition, many companies don't feel the same about Python

[glossy pecan]

If we're talking about perception, Java/C# have problems too, particularly because there's a lot more bad coders that work in those languages because of enterprise demand

the best way to get hired is simply to be a good coder, regardless of language

I do think having a base understanding of multiple languages makes you a better coder though, or at least knowing the pros/cons of each

if your goal is simply to get into a big tech company the language you pick is not going to make a huge difference, but I would probably recommend becoming proficient with low level languages so you're forced to do a lot of work with data structures

it won't matter what languages you know when you're asked to implement some obscure data structure / algorithm in your interview

[hidden snow]

harvard's cs50 is a good intro to C, python and coding in general

[glacial bough]

does the university where someone studies coding important or are skills and experience more important?

like would a harvard graduate who is only skilled in python or c++ going to be picked over a graduate from an unknown university who is extremely skilled in multiple languages

[somber meadow]

Hi guys, it's maybe not the best place to ask but can someone recommend me a web agency in England or Europe ? I have to make a traineeship for 3 moth somewhere in Europe and honestly I don't have any idea except the fact that I want to do it in a web agency as a frontend developper

DM me if you have anything

[near ocean]

Im not a fresher, i've already completed my BSc and MSc and still struggling with finding an entry level position
Imposter syndrome is a real thing but in this day and age theres no room for it

Start applying yesterday

[delicate bane]

im starting my masters in AI and machine learning soon. how do i make myself more competitive after i finish my degree?

should i put my energy into creating projects on github and such?

or should i try to get into research?

[glossy pecan]

A good university will only get you an interview faster, the actual interview process will be standardised in big companies so your uni won’t matter

However, top universities are worth it for the networking

Presumably the education quality will be better too

[vapid jay]

What programming languages are nessesary? This includes SQL and javascript. I want to become some sort of engineer which has programming in it.

[digital fjord]

you can probably get pretty far in webdev knowing just JS, if you are doing data science, R/python/matlab/julia, if you do other things, you need other languages. Honestly, programming languages are pretty easy to learn overall, so I wouldn't worry too much about which are needed, you can always learn them once you need them

[vapid jay]

I am currently learning python. Should I learn HTML, CSS, and javascript?

[digital fjord]

if you want to do web development, yes

otherwise, probably not

[south kindle]

Hello, I am new to programming and have started learning python from today. Could anyone suggest any beginner friendly books or channels to follow?

[near ocean]

!resources has some curated sources for beginners

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[vapid jay]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[queen silo]

but, i do not have anything that i can show on my resume proudly.

[midnight nacelle]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[autumn snow]

guys how can i find clients

no one approaches me in freelancing platforms

[hardy thorn]

when you making good products you get clients

[autumn snow]

but Ive just started

[hardy thorn]

try to promote it

[autumn snow]

i havent even got a single client

[autumn snow]

like how?

[hardy thorn]

in social medias

[autumn snow]

Ok thats a good idea!

anything else!

[hardy thorn]

first will be hard but when the people start seeing your products then they will start knowing about you and yeah...

[autumn snow]

ok i need more hardwork!!

yes i need

😢

[hardy thorn]

don't worry

[autumn snow]

....

[hardy thorn]

to sealing products it is really hard think

[obsidian kettle]

Should I choose python as my first language or c?

[vapid jay]

python

[grave tiger]

I have 3 Projects as a Full Stack Dev that I have been working on for my portfolio, 2 are Django-HTML-CSS-VanillaJS and one is Djando-HTML-CSS-React, would you say that the two that are in VanillaJS I should convert to React or is it fine that way?

[shadow moss]

Java/Kotlin or Javascript/Typescript or C#

[grave tiger]

python

[peak halo]

Someone asked in a help channel last night if Python certificates given out by online institutions are valuable. My thinking is: probably not. And I'm not sure that computer science degrees are actually valuable beyond demonstrating that you can handle responsibility. Though I'm not a hiring manager, or a manager, or someone who works in the tech industry.

But those who do hire developers: you're ultimately more interested in tangible things like github contributions, yes?

[shadow moss]

Degrees show your ability to put up with Unfun stuff which is large amount of Corp life

[shadow moss]

Sure but no one reviews GitHub in initial screening

[peak halo]

so would you not take an online-obtained certificate seriously if you saw it in a resume?

[shadow moss]

I would not

there are too many of them with indeterminate quality

for Jr Developers, it's Experience > Degree/Reference >> Bootcamp >>>>> Everything else

Github is important but this is the problem

how hiring goes in most America companies, Collect Resumes -> Non Technical HR person goes through them (Github is useless) -> Selected Stack sent to Hiring manager who may or may not be technical (No one has time for Github) -> Selected few sent to technical people for review (Github, no one has time) -> Phone interviews -> Final Review (Github useful but I got 10 minutes) -> In Person interview (Github may come up) -> Hire

[shadow moss]

Are you looking for a job?

[peak halo]

Yes, but that's a coincidence.

I'm finishing my CS degree in May, which I guess may as well be an online certificate since I did almost half of it online anyway 🤷

[shadow moss]

Doesn't matter, will have accredited school

[peak halo]

Right, I was just pointing out the irony that my accredited university education worked out to be a mostly online experience.

[shadow moss]

it's the prestige

[glossy pecan]

FWIW I do review candidates github accounts, but I only hire a handful of people per year

I imagine someone who hires 10+ people per month would have a completely different outlook on that

[inner stump]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[inner stump]

cool

[shadow moss]

Every candidate or just ones that make it through all screening before you?

[glossy pecan]

The ones that make it past screening, or every candidate that comes via recruiter (which is, I guess, a sort of screening too)

Though it depends on the channel, if it's LinkedIn cvs they each only get a couple seconds of me looking over them

if it's through a higher quality channel (say an ad on an online community or something like that) I might spend some more time on each, so might check github etc

LinkedIn is just really poor quality because any job gets hundreds of irrelevant applicants

[true turtle]

how's screening done?

[near ocean]

An HR ape probably filters through the apps

God i hate HR

[ebon sun]

I can't imagine the pain of reviewing external applicants

I did hiring in my old role but it was all internal within that part of the company.

[fallen dew]

LinkedIn is awful now lol

I remember it being somewhat useful when I was in college and it was still newer. Now it’s just a different kind of Facebook

[versed condor]

Hey Guys - Any one from London want to learn together?

[shadow moss]

Here, ton of keyword searches

[true turtle]

oh.

okay