career-advice

[open ivy]

Portable programming because commuting is hell and this makes it tolerable and not a waste of time. I also use magazines but sometimes the itch to test a code idea gets itchy.

[pine sleet]

Use a laptop

[open ivy]

Can be hard if you have to stand. But maybe if your commute isn't quite at the peak routes it can work.

[regal axle]

I also recommend a laptop. But idk what type of "public tranist" we are talking about here. If train; do that. If not a train and is bus or subway ,,, well good luck. Programming on those is really hard. But possible I guess.

[open ivy]

I was thinking that you could have some sort of auto-complete translate joystick motions to keyboard inputs? The advantage is you are holding it and do not need to place it anywhere. A laptop is hard to hold without supports while using it.

[signal magnet]

Career discussuon hmmm

[pallid cypress]

Good evening, everyone! For those of you aiming to go professional in the tech field, what are your goals? I’ve noticed that many people who plan to enter this area often have their sights set on working for big companies. That got me thinking about the challenges and advantages of starting your own business in this industry 🤔

[open ivy]

I would prefer midsize. Big enough it doesn't just collapse and small enough you get to know the CEO a bit.

Generally, algoryhtim design, such as working on a physics engine or optimizing AI energy efficiency, intrigues me. Or working on tool development. But there are many ways jobs are interesting in ways that are unexpected so cannot be sure what is and isn't a "fun" job.

[lilac yoke]

The people whose goals are just “work at big company” rarely make it to that company, and the few who do aren’t who you would want to hire anyways.

[misty kiln]

This sounds more complicated than programming itself.

[misty kiln]

I think everyone should start their own business. A lot people will think otherwise. Specially for those that already got a job with good decent salary

But thinking like the majority won’t get us anywhere

[misty kiln]

I always talk about one topic. People complain about not getting a job is because they are not good enough in their careers or lack of opportunities ? If you ask me there’s no way that you are the big deal and you will be jobless like there’s no absolutely way. People know when someone is special.

And they will hire you and pay you good for your exceptional skills but if you are an ordinary guy easy to replace without anything special to offer then don’t complain

Btw I’m a trader but I’m interested on learning python if you ask me why I don’t have any idea. I’m willing to work for free for any of you just because I want to learn. So if anyone looking for a beginner to take advantage of it without having to pay I’m that guy.

[ruby prairie]

is there someone who is familiar with Python scraping?

He should be good at Python, Selenium and beautifulsoup

[harsh river]

this is the wrong channel, try #python-discussion

[silent sparrow]

I’m a 19-year-old first-year Computer Science student based in India, beginning my programming journey this year. I started coding four months ago and started my journey with Python. After gaining a pretty good amount of knowledge, I moved to Web Development and recently completed both frontend and Backend Development . Over the course of time I have built several Projects. I m very interested in building my career as a Web Developer.
so i m looking for guidance on how do i proceed ahead in my career and what are common misconception people have about this route. i would also love to learn from your mistakes.
I m looking forward to gain some experience, learn from your mistakes and insights that will help me advance in my career.

[balmy mural]

I applied to any company that matched the languages I could work in when I was entering the job market (mainly python and C# at the time). I had 2 offers to choose from. Very big company (not FAANG level big) with smaller salary, or very small, but well established (20+ years) company with bigger salary.
Boiled down to where I thought I'd be able to grow more, which I believed was rhe bigger company who does consulting.
Right now I wouldn't mind taking a risk working for a startup as long as the compensation is decent and I personally believe in the future success of the project, as well as the tech stack is interesting

[gritty escarp]

Hii

[zinc stone]

im also a web developer, what languages did u learn

[silent sparrow]

html/css/js/react/nodejs ig

[late oriole]

hello

[swift acorn]

Hello

[shrewd pollen]

hello people

[spring ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=845fNBa_R_4

honestly this is so true.. thats why i dont believe in the myth that projects/freelancing actually matters.. some inexperienced priveleged dude in 3rd year of uni was recommending me to freelance to increase work experience (which u not only cant do on an F1, its also not very great on your resume and doesnt really count as work experience)

[outer rivet]

I have an urgent question related to payment gateway security and tokenization. So a payment gateway can tokenize credit card details with a random string of characters before sending it to a payment processor. How does the payment processor know how to de-tokenize the token?

[peak halo]

Hello, this is the career discussion channel. Please remove your question from this channel and paste it in one of the three off-topic channels.

[verbal solstice]

Sorry brother and thanks also

[open ivy]

For the people I meet I occasionally mention that I am "between jobs" but I do not make it a big point or stress too much on hard it is.

Is that a good balance? The people I befriend should be aware (and if they judge me for being unemployed they can move on) in case an open position rolls their way. But I don't want to project too much of a sense of desperation.

[night sleet]

hi

anyone have a job for automated data collection for website URL i can work in

[merry ledge]

how can I get a software engineering job that is specifically night shift? Normal software engineer, not an on call IT guy for when the server gets ddosed

[peak halo]

I've never heard of such a thing. This is literally the first time the concept of a "night shift software engineer" has even occurred to me.
the closest thing I can think of is if you get a remote job that is night time for you, but standard business hours for the main team.

[merry ledge]

yeah but that would have to be asia and i dont speak their language

also fully remote is depressing

[peak halo]

I would be surprised if there are any "night shift software" jobs anywhere that aren't just maintaining infrastructure overnight.

[merry ledge]

😭

[scenic totem]

I really, really wanted to learn about AI and I started to get interest in Pytorch, but I don't understand about autograd I don't understand about backward and other things...

[scenic totem]

I really want to create my own model that would do interesting stuff but understanding Pytorch is hell

and there is no other way to create my own ai model

[open ivy]

One of hundreds and hundreds of off topic posts I have seen. Unless you are talking about prompt engineering ATS AI systems, this post belongs to #data-science-and-ml

[merry ledge]

not true

[vapid violet]

why share a screenshot but not the link to this site? (Or spreadsheet?)

[merry ledge]

cause he wants to charge money and he cant post an obvious advertisement

[empty thicket]

no its free everything I do is free

[merry ledge]

mb

[near ocean]

post your insights here then
if theyre valuable they will be pinned

[worthy coral]

Hi friends
I’m on Financial Issue
I’m thinking to make a code system that will give me signals of qutex binary

Can anyone help me with it?
I have no idea about coding :((

[near ocean]

isnt this advertising then?

[white relic]

We prefer to keep interactions on-server, so we can take moderation action - we don't want this server to be a place where people get drawn into weird dark corners of the internet.
Advertising, whether you make money from it or not, is against the rules, so please don't advertise your discord server here.

[empty thicket]

ok fair enough

[white relic]

That includes DMing server members.

[empty thicket]

^^^ 👍

[tired lynx]

i have a question about UK college if anyone could help me please

will my college let me change my chosen subjects on results day if i get required grades for maths?

[peak halo]

I would just ask them directly.

[tired lynx]

i don’t know who to ask so i’m kinda stuck haha

[hearty island]

my apt app is ✅ ! chicago move is imminent 🙂

[regal axle]

My work history is one that aligns best with "startup" companies. So naturally it has me looking at said companies.

Anyways,,, wow oh wow, some of these companies are so sad sounding. AI everything. In ways that make 0 sense. Or AI-optimized ticket resale ,,,, nooooo I will not be helping you create an algo so squeze people for more money. Good bye.

Anyways, I shall continue my search ...

-# I am not saying all AI companies make no snese. Just that there are many of them that don't

Damn; if only I didn't hate TS/JS so much. Would have so many more job openings I could apply to.

[near ocean]

speaking of AI companies, the other day i found 2 emails from an Abnormal AI person in my spam folder

[next plover]

MS just fired the main guy responsible for making TS fast I heard

Buckton, who had served Microsoft for 18 years along with his team, helped TypeScript achieve a 10x speed boost in build times and editor responsiveness

People still defend this companies products

[regal axle]

They also let go the CPython team trying to make python faster ... what are they doing

[next plover]

(Although I'd love to see js / ts die in a fire so...)

[whole flare]

generating more profit for shareholders

[next plover]

For a month /hj

[whole flare]

amen

[regal axle]

Maybe they are making all other laguages slow so their internal language is the best

[next plover]

Then they get scatteredspidered and hire everyone back

[whole flare]

wouldn't put it past them tbf, as crazy as it sounds

[next plover]

The windows exploits go hard!

[west sinew]

How can I get a remote job for full stack job? I'm good at English. I made my portfolio. Where should I reach out?

[lilac yoke]

I’m sure he won’t have a problem finding a new job

[lilac yoke]

Do you have a degree?

[peak halo]

!clban 1397724028139212850 employment scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @errant bear permanently.

[regal axle]

it isn't really the point ,,, and also, it can sometimes be hard for people so overly qualified to find specific work. Depends on the situation. Plus if they want to do it

[open ivy]

A lot of people are afraid to reach out and network for fear of judgement. To reach out anyway, despite the fear, would cost way too much counter-instinctual mental energy for some people.

But the first black university students in the US south 1960s were super duper harshly judged. How did they take care of their mental health and keep going? What tactics can we all learn from them?

[wet magnet]

Hello,guys ,i ask one question In data science must have experience in python 2 or 3 year in web apps ??

[smoky quest]

In terms of data science, you do not need either experience with python 2 or 3 years in web apps. The world is now using python 3

[jade ingot]

I’m a beginner coding learner and I’m trying to use visual studio code. I need a help with guidance and explanation of the capabilities of this program.

Good YouTube tutorial will be helpful

[solar shoal]

Coursera provides a free course for beginners to learn python you can join that
It's duration is about 1-2 months ig

[jade ingot]

Could you provide a link

That would be very helpful Ty

[solar shoal]

https://www.coursera.org/learn/python-for-applied-data-science-ai
Here you go

[jade ingot]

thx

[regal axle]

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[gaunt rain]

noice

[still condor]

!warn @tawdry oasis We don't allow recruitment. Please read our rules and channel description

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @tawdry oasis.

[tawdry oasis]

sure

[woven shard]

Hi guys

anybuddyy online

@Helpers

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384> for good measure

[woven shard]

bro no one was listening

[nocturne harbor]

!timeout 1288814976018022401 1h Don't spam for attention.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @woven shard until <t:1753442858:f> (1 hour).

[fringe sphinx]

What country is this, first off? Salaries are very regional specific

Second, if it's just one dude with an idea, that's a red flag

Ok, I don't know salaries there, so can't help there, maybe someone else can who is in India

So why wouldn't you?

How so? That was a long post but I don't see why you feel that way

You think you're better than your friends with "normal resumes"?

(I'm just trying to understand, I'm not judging)

[white relic]

the interview with the CEO as you describe it does sound a bit like a tactic.
faint praise mixed with negging and saying they don't need you, it's a thing people do sometimes to make the interviewee feel lucky to get even a lowball offer.
(I also find the "we'll hire you at half salary and then bump you up after a year if you're worth it" to be a scummy business practice, personally, but I understand it is common in India, so maybe that's cultural.)
That said, you got an offer. People are fighting for those. It sounds like it's a good offer, at least pecuniarily. It's not clear why you think you deserve to make ... well... how much would you expect to make? Other people your age also do side projects and have good skills.

idk where this idea comes from that every startup has buttloads of money to throw around

was there any mention of equity compensation? or not that early a startup

is that a thing in india? I assume so

startups may offer equity to employees as enticement to accept a lowball offer, or as performance-based compensation.
it doesn't sound like he lowballed you, though, tbh.

[near ocean]

arent you a fresher? you said you graduated recently
why are you asking for twice what the average fresh graduate makes

I think your timeline is a bit off there

[white relic]

sounds like you and that CEO have a lot in common. you're both smarter than everyone around you

If you say so.

[near ocean]

If you feel you'd be underpaid and can pay for your lifestyle without it then dont take it

Usually fresh graduates dont have the luxury of picking and choosing but if you do have that luxury then you could search for better jobs

I've seen people with no projects at all get HFT jobs 🤷‍♀️
If you feel that you'd be exploited then dont go for it

[vapid jay]

How's business analyst role these days
I landed a product market analyst role

[sturdy knoll]

Favoratism

[near ocean]

High frequency trading, and other high power finance jobs that i've seen people get without projects
Education carried them

[fringe sphinx]

Lots of people say and think that. As a hiring manager, I have no way of knowing if this is true or anything. Lots of people think they're a 10xer or rock star, and when they start, they realize many people are really good too.

In other words, you might not be as special as you think you are. I'm not trying to insult you, just saying that from the other side of the table, the perspective is different.

But, there's a basic principle of economics: the value of something is what people are willing to pay. Conversely, you should take the best opportunity presented to you. If this isn't the best opportunity, then don't take it. If it is, then take it.

I'm in US and there are cultural differences when it comes to hiring that I really am not comfortable evaluating.

[vapid jay]

is it okay to ask to reschedule an interview?

[regal axle]

It is never ideal. But it can be ok if you have no choice. At the end of the day, some companies might drop you over something like that (probably not likely) but if they do, sometimes you gotta ask yourself "do I really want to work for a company with so little empathy?"

But it does depend on the situation. You would know best about that specifically.

I would also say it depends how far out the interview is, on how upset I would be if you rescheduled. If it was today, I would be a bit annoyed. If it was in a few days ,,, ehh; I personally wouldn't mind. But that isn't the case for everyone and every org

[white relic]

agreed with what Joshie said. It's unlikely to be a deciding factor, but if you have to do it, give as much lead time as possible and be professional about it

[barren kettle]

Hey guys!! anyone just started python here i am looking for a partner who can i learn together with 😛

[next plover]

The career discussion channel would not be ideal for this

[barren kettle]

My bad xd

alr ill ask about carrier, in future can ai take over programming?

[peak halo]

probably not completely

[barren kettle]

Well mark zuckerburg said he is creating something that he would not need programmer in future

[peak halo]

he's a CEO. he says whatever he thinks will help the value of his company.

(and he's also not an AI scientist.)

[next plover]

If it does it will make hacking easier so good for pentesters

[proud glacier]

I'm going to a conference in a field I'm interested in for the first time. I've done some work in it but compared to the speakers I'm not really experienced. Any advice? How do I network or approach people?

[fringe sphinx]

Remember that everyone there wants to meet ppl too.

I was just at an industry show, and chatted with everyone in line and at lunch

Had a great time. Even one of the helpers for the conference chatted us up for career advice

Sometimes there's groups of people from same org, that's harder to 'break into', just chat with the ppl in line and don't be shy.

[proud glacier]

Thanks!

I'm usually kinda hesitant to approach people I don't know, so. Hopefully I can get over that if I think like this.

[vale frost]

https://tenor.com/view/vaping-godku-vape-vapor-smoke-gif-25706641

[vapid jay]

will I ever find a role thats fun?

[next plover]

Yes

[wild skiff]

Whats a good way to start your career?

[next plover]

Projects and networking

[wild skiff]

Networking as in?

[next plover]

Meet people

it's not who you know, it's who knows you

Especially in this market it is very hard to find anything entry level let alone one without 1000+ applications

I managed to get an internship in a random insurance role and pivoted to a full-time position in cyber by networking internally/ working on cyber in my free time

[wild skiff]

Also what are your thoughts on upskilling yourself to find a better paying job where you get to use your base knowledge or getting in a company first, working for a few months for lower pay and then once you gained experience hop to another if you are offered better

[next plover]

If the job market allows you too it's fine but I personally would not take that risk right now

(Fwiw my pay is not worth leaving for so it's not really something I've considered)

[wild skiff]

The first or the second path?

[next plover]

The second one

Most people can barely find one interview let alone a second job offer

[wild skiff]

Hmm yea I think i should focus on getting more hands on skills as i apply for jobs

Thanks for that

[jovial cave]

AI just did 3 months worth a work for me in 2 days. Scary. Industry going towards coding obsolete while language is enough....? Seems like it to me..

[winged sorrel]

What websites/portals would y'all seniors recommend for finding internships, paid/unpaid does not matter

[peak halo]

does your university have handshake? otherwise, it's the same as finding other jobs.

[winged sorrel]

No, actually I got a Internship offer back in my 2nd year it was a 3 months unpaid internships from 10-7 I rejected that because of the hours and and I was not getting paid and the job was for Devops and I want to pursue my career in Cybersecurity

[peak halo]

I would be wary of unpaid internships regardless. if they're not invested enough in your internship experience to pay you, it probably won't be worthwhile anyway.

[winged sorrel]

Now I'm looking for internships and can't even find unpaid one's😞

[winged sorrel]

My friend did that internship and he told me that the entire company was standing on interns only few members were paid, he worked with 2 teams and all the members in that team were unpaid interns, but regardless of this atleast he has something to show in his resume and I don't 😞

I've decided to do the TRYHACKME Jr pentesting course from August onwards I hope it helps me land an internship or job

If you have any tips on this course pls do let me know seniors, I've seen this in most resumes and ppl have given positive response to this course. I was wondering why don't ppl do HTB pentesting course?

[wild crystal]

where can i make job posts on this server?

[peak halo]

Nowhere. Please read the #rules

[spark hornet]

can yall look at my new resume now

trust its good

[peak halo]

you can always just post it without asking, and people who are available will look at it.

[peak halo]

• Not very important, but you list two awards on two lines, but the first one has Awards:. I would just remove Awards:. Also, only one has a data, and the use of italics is inconsistent.
• What is "model training quality"?

[fringe sphinx]

I haven't found a role that isn't. There's hope yet.

[summer roost]

oh, I have. More fun roles than not-fun, but oh man, did I get a bad one once 😅

[fringe sphinx]

Reminds me of this picture: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/om0AAOSwx8Nflzfg/s-l1600.webp

[hushed idol]

How much do you guys think AI will overtake the back-end software development industry over the next 5 years? I've been studying Python and java script for about 2 months, spending atleast 3 hours a day. I use chatgpt for alot of the stuff I don't know yet. I just thought of the fact almost the entire front-end development industry is going under cuz of AI. Stuff like HTML and CSS seems almost worthless now.
I'm worried by the time I get good enough for it to be my full time job, AI will have taken alot of the jobs.

[peak halo]

managers might choose to hire fewer juniors because they think (potentially rightly, potentially not) that the same number of seniors and fewer juniors, by using AI tools, can be at least as productive. That's the worst thing that could happen at the moment, because there currently isn't a path whereby AI can fully do the work of software development.

[winged dew]

and we will end up missing seniors in the future

[peak halo]

Yeah, that would be a problem.

[regal axle]

Good news, I know as a factual matter that this is on the mind of some hiring folks. And they are actively looking for junior people. … but that is on a scale of maybe 100s not the 100s of thousands that we need …
Maybe we go back to only people doing it for the love of the game will remain

[deft herald]

I saved myself probably half a day today by having AI do some stuff for me

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384> preemptive ping

[peak halo]

Why?

[near ocean]

Guy popped in and their first message was they have a disgusting fetish
Thought they'd wanna prove it

[static quail]

Does anyone run a CS company

[peak halo]

I see. Must have been handled.

[peak halo]

Always ask your actual question. Don't ask to ask. What would you ask that person?

[static quail]

That is a direct question thanks

[peak halo]

Okay, but if that person appears, do not ask them a follow up question that you're not willing to ask right now.

[static quail]

Regaurding the company the individual would have to be willing to disclose that personal related information regaurds

No, because there's a million.

[near ocean]

Why would anyone running a company do that

[static quail]

Because if you run a company, I would say you'd be able to offer services as a protection or etc.

[near ocean]

Why would they tell you, a random person on discord, that they run a company though? What's your reason for asking?

[digital wraith]

i think a cooked, almost don’t with college and still can’t decide which cs job i want

[static quail]

Basically management and employees comes with a career discussion

@digital wraith Same

[digital wraith]

u have any idea at all or are u just lost, cause am leaning towards hardware software or cyber but idk

[peak halo]

What sorts of things have you done as a student on top of the bare minimum requirements?

Alternatively, in what ways have you specialized your coursework?

[static quail]

No, I've got a general idea of how I want to approach a situation

[peak halo]

If you haven't already done something related to hardware or cyber, it's probably too late to meaningfully specialize before you graduate. Assuming that's one year from now.

[static quail]

DM me?

[wet magnet]

Could someone review my resume could i send it on here as data science

[peak halo]

Someone will probably comment on it if you post it

[digital wraith]

huh besides making few projects am taking comptia security plus bootcamp rn, plan on taking the exam, but besides that not much,

[digital wraith]

am taking software engineer courses this semester, and human interface so am hoping that might help make up my mind

[static quail]

Basically I am debating on going for CS cert. before certification

[peak halo]

If you're getting a CS degree and are doing cyber security trainings outside of courses, then cyber security jobs are probably those for which you'd be most competitive. And that's important in the current market.

[digital wraith]

am only doing those courses because i was told to for my resume, it seems cool but idk if that what i wanna do, cyber security seems like a lot of headache

i just wish i could get a full understand of the different jobs fr, but i think ill prob end up as a hardware engineer or software engineer,

[wet magnet]

Give me some advice

[smoky quest]

I don't understand your professional experience. Can you explain what it means? Did you have an employer? What made it professional? What happened between 2019 and 2024?

[wet magnet]

professional experience is the personal project that i make

[smoky quest]

so you are saying your professional experience is not professional

[wet magnet]

waste five year for switching technologies for one to another

[wet magnet]

chatgpt suggest that use professional experience

[smoky quest]

Sure, but not a reason to confuse the reader

[smoky quest]

Any recruiter that would read this would interpret it as the candidate making up stuff and thus would end up directly being rejected

don't lie or try to misrepresent the truth

[wet magnet]

ok what could i do ??

[smoky quest]

do not lie or try to misrepresent the truth

[wet magnet]

ok

[wet magnet]

one more question for me could i my linkedin experience field could be blank or what should i add experience field on linkedin

[smoky quest]

this is asking the wrong question. So I am going to answer a different question:

• What you should do is position yourself as the best entry level data scientist to hire. Do not lie, do not misrepresent the truth. Instead put your projects as projects instead of professional experience and articulate why they make you worthwhile calling back through their impact or 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏

[wet magnet]

ok. i understand AI tools suggest me use (project as professional experience )

[smoky quest]

How would that help you get a job if everyone sees you as liar?

[wet magnet]

why you don't understand i said chatgpt suggest me

[smoky quest]

• I don't really care about what chatgpt says
• I don't believe chatgpt recommended an unethical behavior
• Even if chatgpt recommended such behavior, it would not help you find a job

[kindred locust]

Eh if you have work experience and build something professional then its professional. I mean your job history makes it clear enough where you worked.

[smoky quest]

Though I would not want to stand in the way in such great recommendations. You should totally heed to what chatgpt says and double down on that

[kindred locust]

Speaking of which i came here to whine: when will my project be done? It has been so long since project started. So so long. 💀

[smoky quest]

• Small iterations are keys to success and keeping the motivation up as you see more tangible progress
• Underpromise and over deliver. So start with a scope smaller than you envisioned

[kindred locust]

Ah see I failed at both of those in particular. I was trying to cut down on branches/issues and made a couple pretty big ones.

Problem is i built PoC and then left it alone for a year. When i picked it back up the admin dashboard waz easy to rebuild/reorganize. But redoing the flask app is a pain. Basically my second flask app ever.

Combined with laravel/vue frontend. In the 2nd version im putting flask and laravel together with docker, and also rounding out all the features that required more manual touch. So, real boring stuff.

[smoky quest]

you want to get that regular dopamine hit. So you want regular wins

[kindred locust]

Yeah i really underestimated how terrible it feels when youre less comfy with the code. Takes so long just to get the most basic stuff.

Its object character recognition tool so most of the work was data scraping and then finding efficient ways to match objects. For Escape From Tarkov if youve ever played.

Part of the prpblem is i started playing the game again. Takes a lot out of me.

[wet magnet]

could i use my projects on experience field on linkedin or not , leave it blank

[smoky quest]

maybe it's a sign the project is not that fun to you and you should work on a different thing.
It's okay too to explore other areas and try different things

Myself, I do rotate through projects and come back to older ones whenever I feel like it

[smoky quest]

no you cannot

[wet magnet]

ok

[cunning jewel]

Im about to take on a computer science degree, but before I do I want to see if anyone here could tell me the reality of the job market because I've heard that entry level positions straight out of college are hard to find.

[wild skiff]

It depends on the location to be honest

But recruiters will be more intrested in your projects and skills

[still tapir]

These certificates are just another way for you to get your foot in the door or become another cog in the machine. Your choice

[hexed zenith]

Hello guys, Is there anyone doing Python automation engineering here ?

[crystal patrol]

ai is coming /

[crystal patrol]

i am interested in automation
i am learning python

[inner wren]

Please react with ✅ to upload your file(s) to our paste bin, which is more accessible for some users.

[torn dawn]

Is scripting also automation?
I'm new to python and my first project after learning all the fundamentals is creating an automation script which I'm still working on

[white relic]

The entry level market is hard right now, but if you're thinking of entering the job market around 2029, that doesn't have a lot of bearing on your career. A lot can change in that time, for better or for worse.

[hexed zenith]

same goes for me

[hexed zenith]

I think so , that's what they told me ..

Where are you guys learning python , YouTube?

[jovial cave]

AI does everything now. Soon coding will be obsolete. Language translates into code. The job market will shrink and this career reduced. Barrier to entry decreased due to AI which means job marker value decreased.

[near ocean]

I guess that means we should pack up and shut down the server

[wary patrol]

what jobs been created due to AI -

it's just another tool... not gonna shut down the whole thing

[jovial cave]

AI has lowered the barrier to entry for coding. Which lowers the value of a coding job.

It wont shut down the entire thing. It just lowers the value of the job on the market.

A team of 100 developers is now a team of 2 with the other 98 jobless. Coding is becoming more of a secondary skill for stem field workers.

[dim abyss]

Hi everyone! I'm looking for unique project ideas in image processing. Can you please help me out?

[near ocean]

Soon coding will be obsolete
It just lowers the value of the job
Can you pick a struggle please
Doomposting is not welcome here

[jovial cave]

You'll live, breathe my guy...
Its a career discussion, and the state of the job market is a common topic

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is where you should ask

[lyric nebula]

Hey everyone, i want to know what are the benifits of learning python in 2025 ??

[near ocean]

It's not a discussion if all you have to say is how everything is over

[hot terrace]

I got an interesting question. With everything shifting towards AI and AI being used as a tool, what are your guys’ thoughts on resumes? Is the bar now set higher because of everyone being able to vibe code their way into a resume? This is a legit question that I’m hoping we can have an interesting discussion in.

Let’s say you have a coder who has coded for years in a language that isn’t really recognized as a language, but they understand the logic flow, and all the basic understandings and workings of a language, data types, variables, loops, etc. This code has limited exposure to a real language such as Python, Java, html, sql etc. they understand the basics sure, but they physically don’t have the screentime.

Will recruiters be raising their bars to a new standard because of this ai push? What if this coder grinds out like 5 really unique end to end not your typical run of the mill projects? They all include a full front end, database, and a full working backend and to top it all off, they’re all fully deployed to the cloud.

This shows that this person saw something through and persevered and has a fully fleshed out and working system. Even if the coder vibe coded their way through these projects, they would by default still be learning about different systems and architectures, limitations, etc. would they have a chance of getting hired if they’re able to explain the entire process from start to finish on each of their projects, their shortcomings, optimization techniques, etc?

Take the coder from above who has fully fleshed out vibe coded unique projects, vs someone out of uni with a bachelors in computer science with the average cookie cutter projects they had from uni, who would have a higher chance of getting hired? This is a legitimate question.

[jovial cave]

The discussion is, what is the next move? But you dont want to engage in that. You want your head in the sand and rainbows and butterflies.

Im a mech engineer with coding as a side skill and I do a lot of coding. From my experience AI struggles the most when mixing other professions. When utilizing advanced math and physics it is terrible. So I guess that would mean its worse for back end logic

[fringe sphinx]

tbh, I find AI as a moderate productivity gain. I think it means we can build taller buildings and more complex structures more reliably, but doesn't eliminate engineering jobs significantly.

[jovial cave]

As far as advancing a career I would absolutely not ignore AI. But you def. have to know whats going on

[peak halo]

If someone can vibe code something as complex as what you described, and they can give meaningful responses to the discussion questions you listed, then they could have programmed the whole thing without generative AI, and the fact that they used generative AI becomes a moot point.

[hot terrace]

Well that in a way is kind of the point, them knowing the logic flow behind it all but not necessarily knowing the fine details like how many bytes an int takes up in memory, or the exact syntax for anything. They just skipped that and had ai do the leg work for them. It would’ve taken them months per project vs getting multiple projects done in the same timespan.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, see, these are the solutions that will generally fail and be self-limiting. I've had customers show their vibe coded stuff and, as a rule, it's not good. It often appears to be right, but is logically flawed.

(often it's some terrible SQL... I hate AI generated SQL)

[hot terrace]

But I guess what I’m getting at, would they be given a chance if they aren’t able to answer the simplest of questions regarding computer architecture or anything, and the fact that they skipped the hard work of googling and stack overflowing and doing the hard manual work themselves.

Just the fine details I guess.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I think you'll see a rising skill gap. It's job security for the rest of us, cynically speaking.

[hot terrace]

Knowing the knowledge conceptually vs being able to sit down and truly put conceptual knowledge to paper without generative ai.

[hot terrace]

Would you consider giving the guy above a chance though?

[fringe sphinx]

what guy?

The one who skipped the learning?

[peak halo]

I wouldn't. If that person is dependent on (a) LLMs being online and (b) not banned by the company to do any work, they're not very useful.

that person might be more useful than a vanilla CS grad who did nothing to upskill as a student, but I wouldn't want to hire them, either.

[hot terrace]

That’s very valid feedback, thank you!

[crystal patrol]

yeah youtube
in english : freecodecamp
in urud/hindi : codewithharry

[vapid jay]

Code with Harry is not good .... He doesnot explain in depth try chai aur code and thapa technical

[solar garden]

Im currently getting into ML(learning it myself) but i cant start freelancing with it untill a lot later on what can i do in the mean time to earn some money on the side while still learning ML? i already know python

[torn dawn]

I'm looking for a python buddy where we can share tips and ideas in python
I'm a beginner but I've completed the fundamentals and the first project I chose is a script that autoclear terminals
I feel isolated talking to myself for retentive memories, I want to be able to talk to another person so I can remember what I learned and vice versa
Let me know if you're interested

[peak halo]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there's nothing you can do to make money doing ML at your stage. If you're just starting, it's going to be a few years at best.

[solar garden]

Whats the best thing to do to earn some money on freelancing with python while having time to learn ML as well?

[peak halo]

There isn't one. Freelancing requires you to be more skillful than a junior developer (there's no one to mentor you), and have business knowledge.

If you're serious about doing a career in ML, and you don't have connections that could reliably fast track you to a job, you have to get a degree (probably a masters) that's related to ML.

[solar garden]

Got it, thanks a lot for the insight.

[pastel thunder]

Hi,
I am noticing I get to know about competitions (ML/software related) after they have passed or I am ineligible (for example: I got to know about ICPC after I passed out of my college), how to be more up to date?
I know socialising is the way to go but I have already passed out of college and I have no friends (I really mean it and understand this is an main/bigger concern then former but I am looking for a quick solution to this).
Folks around me are non-tech so cannot rely on them

[lilac yoke]

Competitions are more oriented towards college students, or in some cases researchers. I don’t think you should be focusing on them.

[pastel thunder]

I am a researcher 🙂

[lilac yoke]

In what field?

[pastel thunder]

Computer vision and NLP and interestingly in mechanical engineering.

[lilac yoke]

Are you employed somewhere in a research role?

[pastel thunder]

I am employed at FAANGMA as a research felllow.
I will be applying of masters and want to have the best possible ECs. I think I need to do this even if its not the norm.

[lilac yoke]

From what I know, competitions will reach out to researchers, especially in big tech. Look around for any history of your company sponsoring competitions. I’m sure there’s a great internal company channel to throw out your interest

Though, none of the research fellows I know did competitions, they’re employed because the research they did was for some company that then hired them.

[pastel thunder]

I can try checking internal channels, might find something.
Its mainly for masters so I am not trying to impress employers.

[lilac yoke]

Oh I see, not a bad idea for grad school applications

[fringe sphinx]

Can you say a little more? Are you working professionally now or still in academia?

Oh sorry, I wasn't scrolled down

I'd look for meetups, user groups and conferences to find other ppl in your field

Build your network, as it sounds like that's a bigger issue than competitions

[magic ridge]

hi guys, im in second grade of highschool, and i barely understand how to make my own code in python. i don't know how to be actually good at coding, like, i just make lots of projects because the way i learn is to make something, and find function to implement. of course, while i do a python tutorial website thingy, but it's very boring and not suited for me. beside that, i tried to study other language like CPP, JS, HTML, CSS, and like met people in live and ask them about those, they asked "why u trying to study a lot of language? just focus on one, and you'll able to adapt in other languages" so like, should i just focus on python at first until im good enough to able make/implement anything, or should i split my python learning to other language as well?

[lilac yoke]

sounds like you're right on track! Keep focusing building things, rather than taking online courses / tutorials. That being said, don't stretch yourself too thin, make sure you really understand the tools you do end up using.

[magic ridge]

thanks! doesn't really answer my question though, i was asking should i keep learning in python or split my learning to other language as well

[lilac yoke]

i'll be more explicit: don't learn languages in a shallow manner, instead, pick something and build it: learn what you need to know along the way

[peak halo]

You can't ask that here

[dreamy arrow]

Sorry! Do you know if there is a channel I can?

[dire citrus]

So I've been a perl developer now for some years.

After noticing how there are basically NO perl jobs available, I'm switching focus to our arch rival: python 😈 (jk. It's a nice language).

I did some python work here and there a bit over the years.

Past few months, now im now on a deep dive to learn python from the ground up with the hopes to getting a job with python.

Any advice for me?

[summer roost]

The tutorial in the official docs - https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html - is terrible for people who've never coded before, but a great way to learn the language fast and pretty thoroughly for someone who has coded in other languages

[lilac yoke]

What kind of programs were you making with Perl?

[dire citrus]

From one-liners to web servers. Master with text especially regex.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still using it in my current company and do enjoy perl.

Just one major problem, very very hard to find another job.

[lilac yoke]

ah, it shouldn't take much to learn python then, I'm sure you'll enjoy how its a lot more concise than Perl.

One thing you might find neat is python virtual environments (afaik this isn't a thing in Perl): https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html

maybe if you're feeling very modern check out uv https://docs.astral.sh/uv/guides/install-python/

[vapid violet]

<@&831776746206265384>

[tender thicket]

!cleanban 1336241311715561482 spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @crude plume permanently.

[crystal patrol]

for beginner who don't have too much knowlage in tech

[wind cedar]

From a recruiting standpoint is it worth it to put the courses you took during university to your resume and LinkedIn profile?

[crystal patrol]

yeah
if it is related to tech

[wind cedar]

But as only a cs major we all take the same courses anyways, so what’s the point of listing courses?

[peak halo]

I would only list electives

[solid vault]

Hello everyone ,
I am here to talking about which language is good for me ? especially for next gen
anybody ? who can share his expreince about his language learning expreince and freelancing ?

[crystal patrol]

python
can be use in ai

[dusty talon]

How useful is a Microsoft AI & ML Engineering Professional Certificate that is obtained through online courses?

[vapid jay]

` First, ask yourself: what do you want to be in the next 6-7 months?

If you want to learn web dev, here's a path that worked for me:

Start with the foundation:

Learn HTML and CSS basics just to get comfortable

Move into JavaScript fundamentals, then gradually tackle higher-level concepts as needed

Pick a framework:

Choose React or Angular and dive in

When you hit new JS concepts you don't know, pause and learn them properly

Expand your toolkit:

After getting solid with your first stack, try a different language

Don't aim to master it - just get familiar (Python or C++ are good options)

The key is building your own learning path based on what clicks for you. This approach worked for me, but find what fits your brain.
`

[serene viper]

Can anyone tell how to get a job ?

[near ocean]

• Write a cv
• Apply to jobs
• Dont fail interviews

[proper bay]

6-7🥹

[stark tiger]

Can someone help me with the path to Cybersecurity career

I am in my undergrad first year

[vapid jay]

What do u think it's not a cake u can finish in a simple party

[proper bay]

6-7

67

[near ocean]

What does this mean

[proper bay]

67

[near ocean]

We dont like spam in the server and especially so in the discussion channels

[rocky bramble]

yo whats up?

[next plover]

TryHackMe is a great starting point, learn to be consistent because it is not easy

I would also start to learn networking, just go through the OSI model and learn how networks work

[stark tiger]

Great thank you so much any more replies are appreciated

[fathom epoch]

HackTheBox is a great platform to learn and practice. If you have money you can do the OSCP from offsec but it's really expensive. HR loves OSCP

[strange pumice]

I’ve applied to so many roles not getting callbacks from recruiters my resume is solid

Guess I gotta keep up the grind .

[odd birch]

Could someone help me create a football game in python and advise me where to download or create graphical elements of the game?

[vapid jay]

it be like that

[spring ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUlomY7RsIg

[spring ivy]

this seems like fake news what do u guys think? the author of the video is saying that companies cant use automated AI tools for hiring decisions because OFCCP EEOC explicitly prohibit it

now this following is from chatgpt and i know u guys dont trust it but:

No, the OFCCP (Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs) and the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) do not explicitly prohibit the use of automated or AI tools to make hiring decisions.

However, they regulate how such tools can be used under existing anti‑discrimination laws. Employers may use automated hiring tools, but they are legally responsible if those tools cause discrimination, even unintentionally.

In its May 18, 2023 guidance (“Assessing Adverse Impact in Software, Algorithms, and AI”), the EEOC clarified that:
✅ Employers may use AI and algorithmic tools to screen, rank, or evaluate candidates.
✅ But if these tools cause disparate impact on protected groups (race, sex, disability, etc.), employers are liable under Title VII, even if a third‑party vendor provides the tool.
✅ Employers must audit and monitor for bias.
(Source: EEOC Technical Assistance Document, 2023)

ah ok got it

Yes — there is documented proof that Workday offers and markets AI-driven résumé screening and candidate recommendation tools, and it's being litigated under the claim that such tools can result in discriminatory outcomes. Workday disputes that its AI makes autonomous hiring decisions, but the lawsuit hinges on whether their scoring/ranking systems functioned as de facto gatekeepers in the hiring funnel.
so perhaps they are not allowed to make decisions but the scoring/ranking system acts as a de facto decision cuz hiring managers wont read 99% of resumes

[fringe sphinx]

I mean, "hiring managers wont read 99% of resumes" has been true, long before GPT.

heck, even the ones I do read, I barely read.

[spring ivy]

true

[fringe sphinx]

but, the real question is: so what? what does that change for a job seeker? (I think nothing).

[spring ivy]

but basically the video made me somewhat rethink how i should/should not write a resume.. but this clarification helps tbh. the video is just false probably to grab clicks..

[fringe sphinx]

The one thing that's always true - keywords help.

[spring ivy]

true yeah. any resume thats decent for a human should probably also be decent for an AI. barring some very specific nuances i was dealing with

[spring ivy]

she explicitly states they dont help.. but i am pretty sure thats false

[fringe sphinx]

Oh for sure. Even if GPT was summarizing, certainly keywords would be a factor.

[spring ivy]

she is stating that companies simply cant even use AI cuz OFCCP and EEOC prohibit it.. but i doubt it

[fringe sphinx]

I doubt that too.

https://www.eeoc.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/20240429_What is the EEOCs role in AI.pdf

[spring ivy]

i had the issue of having a too big skils section because i obviously couldnt include everything i did within the 1 page.. some companies have stupid keywords like MS Excel so i would never like to include them but i included them just for an AI

[fringe sphinx]

Seems to say what I'd expect: "be careful" when using AI, to prevent discrimination.

[fringe sphinx]

Skills sections aren't the way to include keywords. I want to see them in the jobs and/or projects.

I ignore skills blocks.

[spring ivy]

exactly my point.. the video is just fake news

[spring ivy]

im not gonna include MS Excel in a job bullet point bruh 💀 .. but yeah anyways its all the more important to have an automated resume tailoring then

ig i will include it in a job bullet point once and then filter it in/out based on AI's alignment scores for that bullet point

[spring ivy]

idk if AI does or doesnt skip that section.. i assume it somewhat does but it helps to not have to include more bullet points for assumed skills like microsoft excel, mathematics, data science, statistics, visualisation, etc

i include statistics/mathematics/data science in relevant courses section but i found it so unfathomably stupid that people list that as "keywords".. its just a basic requirement that should just be assumed if u have any proficiency with the modifying repositories or research experience

[fringe sphinx]

I wouldn't say it's "more" important. It's equally important. The automatic stuff is just the first filter, a human will still look at it.

[cunning jewel]

Is there any suggestions on coding languages to learn that are high demand because I know python, html, and css, is there any other languages that are important to learn

[lilac yoke]

really depends on what kind of jobs you are looking for, what kind of products you want to build

just off of what you listed, typescript would be valuable

[dusty talon]

How useful is a Microsoft AI & ML Engineering Professional Certificate that is obtained through online courses?

[lilac yoke]

for microsoft it's a free $165 along with someone advertising and advocating for Azure

for you, I'm not so sure

[dusty talon]

What would you recommend to do then if i want to work as a ML engineer?

[lilac yoke]

a masters in either computer science or data science

[dusty talon]

Ok thank you

[long charm]

what if you have 3 yoe non ml but regular swe experience and some cool ml projects, you could get by without masters?

[lilac yoke]

your projects will have to be very relevant, proof you can do ML at a professional level already

[dire citrus]

I recently just completely revised my resume in which I also removed the skills section and instead tried to show accomplishments at job

[vapid jay]

What kind of engineer are you? Are you still studying?

Reason as to why I am asking is that I am in my first year of engineering. In the first year all engineering majors take general subjects before specialising in their second year. I am looking at electrical engineering bcs I like building things. But at the same time I also want to get good at programming.

If I take electrical engineering and continue upskilling my programming skills:

Pros:

• I will have a wider set of skills and I will always be able to jump between different fields if one of them gets more saturated
• I can build stuff

Cons:

• I won't have as much time to get as good as coding as I would have if I did software engineering instead

If I take software

Pros:

• I can spend most of my time studying for uni with programming which I am passionate about

Cons:

• I don't know if I would be able to build much physical stuff
• I risk being stuck in an overly saturated market
• I could've probably gotten to the same level of programming with time since I would continue learning

[lilac yoke]

If you think you’d enjoy electrical engineering, it’s in crazy high demand and will 100% get you a job if you pass the classes. Certainly can’t say that about CS right now (though it could change!)

If programming is your passion, maybe check out computer engineering.

[vapid jay]

I don't exactly know if I would enjoy electrical engineering as much as programming. just like how I didnt know i enjoy programming until i actually programmed

[lilac yoke]

Check out Ben Eaters courses on YouTube and see if they look interesting, you can always buy some equipment and try a small EE project

Definitely don’t commit to a major you don’t know if you’d like— EE is widely regarded as one of the most difficult

[vapid jay]

Did u do EE?

[past elm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glass ledge]

Who needs cheminformatics developer? I am proficient with python frameworks like RDkit, Openbable.

[lusty pivot]

Hello guys i'm going to study Diploma in Computer Science this september. Do you guys have any tips and tricks?

[fringe sphinx]

Write code often. Programming is like a sport: you don't get good by watching.

[coral saffron]

is taking CS even worth it atp?

now with ai's like lovable out there doing it so well

[jagged forge]

Good point. Just keep an eye on the market I suggest.

[fringe sphinx]

1. What field is unimpacted by AI?
2. AI is not doing it "so well". It's definitely helpful, but is overhyped.
3. I believe we'll see a new burst of software engineering: one that is more efficient and able to accomplish bigger things than "centering a div"

[near ocean]

inb4 lovable turns to be indian devs pretending to be AI for pennies

[craggy thistle]

Is doing game programming a good for future ?

[tight wadi]

what is your intention?

[craggy thistle]

Just I wanna become a gaane developer , also doing bca degree in future

[regal axle]

If you want to do game dev, do game dev. It’s a tough career and you don’t get paid as well as “big tech”. But if that is your passion; just do it.
Game dev jobs are not going away. Although there are more indie devs now and fewer large studio jobs. So if you only want a secure work place that pays well,,, there are maybe better options.

I personally believe that you are able to produce your best work when working on things you care about. And your best work will propel your career more than your worst work. But that’s my bias

[craggy thistle]

Bro I'm looking for secure job I don't wanna be unemployed even if I have skills , so gimme diirection

[regal axle]

Well,,, I can’t predict the future. I don’t know when you will be entering the job market. Everything will be different by then. Some jobs will become more secure and others less.

There will be game devs. That isn’t going anywhere. But idk what country you are in or what is acceptable for salary? (Please roughly answer if you can)

It is never as simple as “do X and you will be guaranteed a 6 figure job”. That isn’t real advice.

[craggy thistle]

India

I'm indian and does game development worth it?

[regal axle]

Ahh … in that case,,, good luck. It’s much harder. If you are not interested in doing your own indie thing and want a guaranteed salary,,, game dev in India is probably really hard. But to be fair, all options are really hard in India. Not impossible. Just difficult.
Unfortunately I am not an expert in the Indian market. I can’t give you specific advice on what sub industries are secure and reasonable to get jobs in. And what ones are not. I wish I could help more.

[craggy thistle]

One more thing can I discuss?

Im intresting on languages , development , program can i choose and aim for other career too?

[regal axle]

I am not sure what you are asking here?
Mind going into a bit more detail?

[craggy thistle]

My means there are soo many things besides game development right? , so the thing is , should I aim for any other thing ? , Like other things devlopments? Apps , websites , bots?

[regal axle]

Yea, development as a whole is a massive industry. There are tons of options available. You totally can start down one path and pivot to another. Most skills from one translate well to the others. (Not a perfect translation, but not a waste of time either)
Learning the basics and then try to figure out what you are good at. Do the thing you are good at.

[craggy thistle]

What if the thing I'm good at contains low value and no one knows , I'm confuse about my future bcz I know I can do but I don't know, from where to start

[regal axle]

That risk is theoretically possible. However, you will figure that out. And where you are willing to make compromises in your life. You will naturally answer these questions as time goes on. You can’t answer them before you start. While you progress, you will direct yourself in the direction you can accept for yourself

[last moat]

Is bug bounty a good career

[regal axle]

Not by itself. You typically do other things too. Very very very few people can do it full time.

[thick schooner]

<@&831776746206265384> hello what is this channel about?

[leaden jasper]

!mute 1399388399080833225 Absolutely not.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @thick schooner until <t:1753715772:f> (1 hour).

[last moat]

As a side job? Maybe do one job in month? Are there remote bug bounty jobs in market?

[leaden jasper]

You were warned about the pings in the previous channel. If you do this again when the mute expires you will be banned.

[white relic]

There's not anything like a "standard rate" for bug bounties, not one you could rely on for regular income, anyway.

"remote bug bounty job" sounds like a category error of some kind but I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly

[last moat]

I mean as a freelancer? I do some freelance work but looking to get into cybersec

I have no idea where i can find these bug bounty opportunities thats why i said remote opportunity

[stark canyon]

That sounds like a cybersecurity consultant of some kind. I don't know what the market is like for those, but the idea that you're paid per bug/security issue you've found sounds kinda weird, although I guess that could be a business model.

[white relic]

bug bounty programs that I'm aware of fall into two categories: either it's internal within a company, and offered only to the company's employees, or it's offered to the general public plus/minus some conditions (like you might have to live in certain countries).

if you're doing the first thing, you'd just be an employee, but if the second, you'd be a freelancer by definition

[last moat]

Ahan. So i guess its not worth to spend a year learning it then as a reward you get rarely inconsistent success. Its better to spend year on something else?

[stark canyon]

I don't understand what you mean by "spend a year learning bug bounty".

[last moat]

Learning cyber security

And specializing in bug bounty hunting

Its a hit or miss program with alot of time consumption?

But quite interesting. If i had stable income from other sources i would have deep dived into it

[stark canyon]

Why don't you learn cyber security, then sell your services to companies looking to improve their security posture?

[last moat]

Whats the name of those roles

[stark canyon]

Off the top of my head, cybersecurity specialist, cybersecurity consultant, etc. Although I've been made aware that what in my country is called a "consultant" is known as "contractor" in English, so you may want to take that with a grain of salt.

[lilac yoke]

Nope, I’m in my senior year of a CS major

[woven scroll]

I have a lot of debt due to some matter and I have to repay the debt as soon as possible so I started applying for python developer job as I have master python and data analytics but all the job related to it is mostly unpaid is there any way for me to earn money and hold in python if anybody knows anyway please reachout and where i live as a cs student currently studying it's hard to get a job

[harsh river]

you're only seeiing the pretty things

[wild skiff]

What are the positives and negatives of a remote job over a traditional one

[peak halo]

sometimes it's nice to see people in-person. and sometimes meetings are more productive in-person than they would have been over zoom/teams. but going to work in-person sucks a lot of flexibility of your life. and you have to spend time getting there and back.

ultimately, you probably won't have much choice. it seems to me that most companies are now hybrid with days-in-office requirements.

[wild skiff]

Well from where I come, the companies are mostly located in tier 1 cities and travelling to that work location would generally take 2 hours. That's why I was wondering if i should ally for remote jobs

[white relic]

People often move to be closer to work.

You could even say it's the main reason for human migration since the economy was invented.

[peak halo]

I remember reading that if you assume an environment where desirable geographic properties are evenly distributed, the main reason for cities is close proximity to niche services.

[white relic]

that's one heck of an assumption, but even so, it works

[peak halo]

!clban 1301096184559177791 First messages were advertising a trading bot.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @tribal kindle permanently.

[glass ledge]

Who needs cheminformatics expert? I am proficient with RDKit, Open Bable and Jupyter notebook

[near ocean]

you asked earlier, the answer is no one
you cant advertise your services here

[peak halo]

I think they're looking for an open-source project rather than a job, but they'd probably have better luck in a chemistry server.

[swift crystal]

Heyyy sorry if I'm writing in the wrong chat I'm extremely confused about this whole thing but I've heard I could potentially find programmers on this server?

[peak halo]

you can meet programmers in this server, yes. but you can't hire them. or ask to be hired.

[remote yacht]

cool cool cool its hard to find other coder if u dont working in coding

[languid pumice]

hello everyone...i am new to python i am learning it for past 2 months..and i want to use it for professinal skill guide me which framwork i should learn first

[spring ivy]

For workday applications where it says job/work experience, should i include research assitantships or UG thesis?
especially for a research forward role?
Or just live it in resume?

[primal osprey]

If you're into web development learn django you could learn flask but i prefer django, if ml and ai stuff then tensorflow Pytorch etc.

[wild skiff]

well due to certain reasons I cannot move away from the place I stay

[wild skiff]

thoughts on learning fastAPI?

[grave gyro]

i am not sure where to ask this, but does business for business deals work with python?

[primal osprey]

It's way better than flask, i would learn it first and after some flask ig

[wild skiff]

No i meant fastAPI vs Django

[primal osprey]

Django is a web framework, fast API is backed only though fastApi is kinda faster, i would use it microservices/ml. Django is for web development idrk tbh

[crisp jewel]

I am going to pursue bca degree but I want to know why a btech degree guy have more importantance than a bca degree guy and second question is that how can I fill that gap ??

[daring viper]

Hi there! Trying my luck again in a more relevant corner of the chat.. I'm a humble writer on a mission to interview a real, live developer...preferably one who can explain things in simple, plain English. So I'm looking for someone to answer a few questions about what makes a good developer and how to assess soft skills

[peak halo]

you can list your questions in this chat and see what answers you get. you can't solicit survey takers in this server.

[daring viper]

• What makes a good developer? (general) - How do you balance speed vs. quality in MVPs? - How would you explain WU (workload usage) to a non-technical stakeholder?

[olive cradle]

How is the market rn for AI?

[peak halo]

the hype wave started by ChatGPT hasn't ended. Though jobs in AI require a lot of training, so if you don't currently have any, it's hard to say what the situation will be when you finish.

(which would be in ~6 years)

[olive cradle]

It’s that much to learn huh

[peak halo]

well, yes. in some ways, it's surprising that it's that low. it's a cutting-edge technology.

[olive cradle]

I think I lack direction. I have the CompTIA security+, mainly to have the option to apply to govtech jobs as developer.
I would say I am still a beginner/intermediate programmer when it comes to HTML/CSS/Javascript and Python.

Tbh, I probably would like to do CompSci if I can’t pick a road map yet. Thoughts?

I want strong fundamentals so I can easily transfer my skills to whatever. Jack of all trades type of person

[peak halo]

is "CompSci" another cert like "CompTIA", or is that just how you're abbreviating "computer science"?

[olive cradle]

Abbreviating for computer science

[peak halo]

then it would make sense to get a CS degree.

[olive cradle]

Yes, I would need to save for higher education. That’s why I was wondering if I can get into the industry without a degree. However I would most likely need to specialize into something first

Rn I just have general coding and general IT knowledge. Doesn’t do much for me

Too broad probably

[peak halo]

getting a programming job without a degree is like climbing a ladder with no lower rungs. (And if you somehow do get a programming job that pays you enough to get a degree, you might not actually need the degree at that point. Unless you want to move to ML.)

[olive cradle]

I thought building projects would be enough

[peak halo]

Not at all. Suppose there's a job opening, and it gets 100 applications. But they only have time to interview 7. So they'll delete all the resumes from people who don't have a degree, and then maybe look at projects.

[wild skiff]

Well for some reasons employers like to look at degree and years of experience

[olive cradle]

If I was to go back to school it would definitely be for Computer Science and not Cybersecurity. I feel like there are more opportunities there.
Self-learning is still a valid option until I can go apply for college right?

[olive cradle]

Yup years of experience and degrees is what they look for I know

[wild skiff]

They just want lower hiring risk haha ironically both of those do not necessarily translate to having skills

[wild skiff]

It's always best to keep learning and upskill yourself while you can

[lilac yoke]

Do you have cyber certifications? CCNP?

You don’t need a degree for cybersec/networking, though if you have the right certs and a degree in CS you’re in a pretty good spot

[olive cradle]

No I just have some projects and Sec+ I don’t know what cert I want to do next. I still would like to do coding as well.

[lilac yoke]

Have you looked into SRE?

[olive cradle]

No I haven’t

[lilac yoke]

One of the most important fields in big tech. Few people do it, far less saturated than software engineering.

Google wrote a good doc on what an SRE is

[olive cradle]

I will definitely look into it. I would just like foundational knowledge that can help me in a lot of fields. I know networking is a strong foundational field that can help in almost all fields in IT but I don’t know if you use code in networking. So that is kind of putting me off

[lilac yoke]

Pure networking jobs mostly deal with hardware, SRE is all the knowledge of the hardware and network combined with creating and maintaining the low level system that keeps it running (you will code)

Think in depth knowledge of Linux, networking, cyber, scripting

[olive cradle]

I see it is compared with DevOps.
I’m interested in all of those lol

[lilac yoke]

It’s an intimidating job, when Google goes down it’s the SREs who bring it back up.

I’m a systems engineer on a team with mostly SREs, they’re very essential in making our bad code not blow up data centers

[olive cradle]

I see, I will check for a road map then. I am currently studying CCNA. Do you think that’s still relevant? I don’t mind changing my studies. I will do my own research of course but just asking in the moment

[lilac yoke]

Absolutely, CCNA is the best way to get the networking knowledge. Many SREs first work as a network engineer, then apply for SRE after a couple years of experience if they don’t have a university degree.

[olive cradle]

I feel like maybe CCNA and a Sec+ cert and some labs can probably land me something entry level?

[lilac yoke]

I’d say your ideal roadmap is to get your CCNA, land an entry level networking job, learn Linux and software engineering in your free time, then cast out some applications.

I’ve never met someone with a CCNA who had any problems getting an entry level networking engineer job. Try local ISPs and the like

[olive cradle]

I also heard NOC jobs as well. Thanks for the recommendations! Happy to finally pinpoint a roadmap for my interest.
I think while working I have better perspective so good to know CCNA has a good chance at getting me a job in the industry

[dark anvil]

I could say I'm good at web scraping automation in python.

[modern perch]

szczerze to szacun dla was chłopaki, ja dopiero zaczynam przygodę z pythonem i denerwuja mnie te kursy

[peak halo]

!rule English

[inner wren]

Rules

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[peak halo]

It's okay if you're not fluent

[viral kindle]

Hello

[vague tree]

how can i make money freelancing?
What sector is good for beginners

[south iron]

i would also like to know the sam

[white relic]

Beginners don't make money freelancing.

It's rough for experienced peeps, even.

[olive junco]

How then can one go about making money ?

Or how can a beginner level up to be able to get a job

[near ocean]

What are your credentials and experience

If youre fresh from uni you start doing leetcode and applying to entry/junior level positions

[olive junco]

My experience is really not so much, I've created a many number of beginners project like data extraction scripts for different file formats, API handling scripts, the popular scripts on "hotel booking systems" and web scrapping projects but I have no real working experience

[olive junco]

Okay wow thanks. Do you have an idea of where I can find entry level job positions or where it's being posted ?

[near ocean]

linkedin, indeed, etc, you should also search for local job boards

[gray phoenix]

hii

iam new here

[young flame]

l

[tiny fulcrum]

Is there anyone who is learning python opps concept now? I need a companion

[zinc kelp]

someone rate this, its for an school assessment -https://github.com/reo-sudo/Retro-Book-library

[wintry wraith]

пр

[hoary wagon]

Chat, should I go for Cloud Computing or AI development?

[jagged pond]

Hey ! Anyone from India ?

[peak halo]

regarding AI development: would you have a positive attitude about being in university for six years and learning a lot of theoretical math? that's what it would almost certainly take.

[hoary wagon]

Nearly the same as to be in university for nearly 6-7 years in Hanoi University of Science and Technology

I don’t think I can cope with that amount of maths tbh

[peak halo]

then cloud computing might be a better option.

[hoary wagon]

Will it be replaced by AI in the future?

[peak halo]

if cloud compute platforms like AWS added AI frontends that are intended to make their services easier to use and understand, it would somehow still be so complicated that specialists would be required.

[hoary wagon]

Thank god

[hoary wagon]

Well I’ll go for cloud computing then, thanks

[rocky lark]

uh can you share a screenshot too

[vapid jay]

hi anyone here i wanna pose some questions

[peak halo]

don't wait for a commitment. just post your questions so that people see them when they check on the channel.

[vapid jay]

does i can do anything wih just python , i am 17 and i wanna start earning money

[peak halo]

There's probably nothing you can do to earn money with Python, or any other language, at the moment. People don't really pay teenagers to write one-and-done scripts.

[vapid jay]

then what should i do

[peak halo]

focus on doing well in school so that you can get into a university

[vapid jay]

oki ty

[hoary wagon]

Which one should I start up with? AWS or Azure?

[vapid jay]

one other question what is ai engineer roadmap pls @peak halo

[misty kiln]

This is enough information for me to understand that learning coding is not worthy. Thanks!

[vapid jay]

yh i think

[peak halo]

there are benefits to learning programming other than making money right now. but if you're a young person who isn't employed, learning programming won't fast-track you to employment, no.

[peak halo]

look at job listings in your area and see which one is mentioned more often. companies usually pick at most one cloud compute platform.

[hoary wagon]

Is it in Linkedin?

[vapid jay]

yh

[peak halo]

sure

[hoary wagon]

Also can I use IBM Skillsbuild to learn cloud computing?

[peak halo]

idk what that is, but I think IBM is a pretentious and annoying company. I am very biased.

[hoary wagon]

It's just learning

I'm not working there

[peak halo]

@hoary wagon I barely know anything about cloud computing. I've done some basic stuff on AWS. cloud compute platforms have a reputation for being a mess of disparate services that are difficult to navigate.

[hoary wagon]

IBM Skillsbuild is the IBM's learning ecosystem

[peak halo]

I wouldn't use IBM stuff to learn because I hate them. I am very biased and my opinion should not be considered. I do not know enough about cloud computing to offer an alternative.

[hoary wagon]

Alright

[gray yacht]

how do you guys approach interviews/meetings where you feel like you're completely out of your depth

[misty kiln]

@peak halo whats your advice for new learners? Completely new from 0

[peak halo]

learn however you want, but make sure that you're always writing and debugging code, and don't use AI in any way that lets you avoid learning.

[gray yacht]

A friend recommended me to a recruiter who reached out to him but ive been told by the recruiter that the firms he's hiring are looking for "talented engineers" and have mainly hired ex-quants. I've only been properly coding for only about 8 months (first 2-3 months was figuring out what i was even doing). I've got two projects that are worth talking about but they aren't heavy on math/trading and i've done some freelance stuff + am doing an internship right now before going back into university this coming september.

I'm trying to have a more positive mindset about the scheduled meeting (been told its just a chat, not an interview) but its a little difficult because I don't see how my experience even compares to the candidates they've previously hired.

[misty kiln]

I have never been interested on using AI as shorcut because it doesn't make sense. Thanks

[peak halo]

AI is pretty much infallible for beginner-programmer questions, so it makes tons of sense if you're trying to pass a programming course without learning anything. which a lot of people are.

[misty kiln]

Why companies programs where they hire new guys and teach what they need to they can work for them?

[misty kiln]

So AI is good for questions but not for programming for you right?

[peak halo]

tech companies don't really do that. why should they internalize the cost of training their employees when there are so many pre-trained programmers on the market?

[wary patrol]

oh hi, how are you doing? :0

[misty kiln]

Yh right!

[misty kiln]

For a prette busy guy you are paying too much attention to me you are weird dude. get a life and leave me alone

[wary patrol]

um what, okay i guess-

[tacit holly]

hey! I want to know more about this repo

[misty kiln]

debugging code?

[gray phoenix]

Lets goo i did my first python class now i can finally print something

[peak halo]

if you're a beginner (or even if you aren't), it's pretty much guaranteed that your code will contain mistakes/bugs, and it's important to be able to find and correct them yourself.

[misty kiln]

Roger.

[silver lichen]

yo devs do yall enjoy coding 8 hours a day, like the fact yall just stay on the screen the whole day, crazy

[regal axle]

Personally; yes. I do. But I also make a conscious effort to take breaks and go for walks. So I am not just pure 8 hour day screen.
Some are in it for the money. And that is simply the cost

[balmy mural]

8 hours a day (with reasonable breaks) sound amazing. Unfortunately meetings, walkthroughs, sizings, investigations, etc. Get in my way of coding for 8 hours per day ☹️

[deft herald]

You still write code? I thought that's what ai was for
/s

...but kind of not /s

[next plover]

who else is going to sit through a meeting to say literally nothing

[silver lichen]

man 8 hours a day of coding sounds so boring man staring at that screen for so much time

[regal axle]

Then don't do that. There are lots of other types of work to be done in the tech space. Lots of positions that code as a side responsibility too

[lyric forge]

meow

[leaden vigil]

Then, Is software engineering not for me ?

[silver lichen]

im not gonna learn how to code, no cap i dont like anything so i cant like coding. Im planning to probably be an electrician

[leaden vigil]

Life isn’t about liking and doing it

A man has to get shit done, I understand this after high school

[silver lichen]

Doing a job u dont like is a terrible idea

[leaden vigil]

You said you don’t like anything

[silver lichen]

I was thinking about being an electrician, dont mean ill be one in the future

[leaden vigil]

So is it better to stay unemployed?

[leaden vigil]

Good luck then

[silver lichen]

yo im a young student, idk anything bout unemployment

got a long way till a full time position

[leaden vigil]

Bro I’ve seen people making bands in high school

Those people are self driven

[silver lichen]

idk what does that have to do with me

im just in a wierd situation atm

[regal axle]

@leaden vigil @silver lichen
Don't try to compare yourself to someone else who is rich in High school. Good for them, but not being a millionaire is normal and expected.

The other thing to note; is that yea, some people do just do work to keep the lights on. Sometimes you take a job so you have the means to work on your hobbies on the side. Your job doesn't have to be the thing that gives you satifaction. But typically only if it is the thing that allows you to get it from other sources. Like hobbies or supporting your family etc etc

[leaden vigil]

Does coding helps us do our hobbies, my family’s telling me to go for healthcare or study medicine but I don’t wanna sacrifice my passion/ hobbywhich is making beats for artists. My problem solving and math is not good, it’s hard for me to solve problems and stuff, I’m confused asl. I graduated high school and year ago, I had a gap year because of this, I don’t wanna waste another year.

[regal axle]

Coding is an option. And you can always find a way to have it help you hobby. But coding is not a free ride. It isn't the easiest job in the world. It has a huge potential to make you a lot of money. But 99/100 times, the people who make that level of cash are people who are really passionate about code. You can still make some money without that passion, just not the crazy 300k levels (and those are becoming far more rare now-a-days too)

Anyways, the jobs you mention are ones that require all of your time and attention. So having extra time for your passion/hobby is ,,, hard. Possible. But really hard.

And this is something only you can fully answer. Not anyone else.

Some people define success as only meaning $$$ others don't. Are you ok with acheiving your own definition of success but not getting the approval of your family? Will you end up changing your definition of success 20 times in the next 8 years? (yes)
So it is really hard to give you a single answer that will make everything just "click"

[clear mist]

have a question for you all: Would you accept a job outside your field that you don't enjoy? For example, if you studied computer science but couldn't find any CS jobs for over a year, would you take a completely unrelated position?

I'm curious about your thoughts on whether it's worth taking any job versus holding out for something in your actual field. And if you did take an unrelated job, what steps would you take to eventually transition back into CS while being underemployed?

[white relic]

If my choice were between that and unemployment, definitely. I have a mortgage to pay

If I could live with my parents while job hunting and I thought I could get something given enough time? Maybe a different calculation.

(I did in fact do that for <1 year after graduating)

[peak halo]

People do what they have to to pay their expenses. But you can work a different kind of job while still searching for jobs in your target field.

[lilac yoke]

tbh every 8 hour coding day is followed by at least one 5 hour day where you sit in meetings and do nothing productive

[vapid jay]

Guys look,
I'm 19, computer science student 2nd year.
I need to start coding, it's not like I don't know coding at all... I do know some basics like addition, subtraction..if else...etc
The main problem that I have is what language, what field, what to actually do in order to feel like I'm good at this stuff...
I need to do coding as a career/job/to earn.
If you think you can help me...DM or something...
(^^)and if you did... you can have me as one of you coding friends(maybe we can work on projects together)... or what ever you want to call it

[glossy summit]

Is changing from cyber to ai dev or software dev tough?

[smoky quest]

it might be. It will depend on the topics and your skills and interest

[leaden vigil]

So competitive coding would take all my time too like other jobs that I have mentioned

[smoky quest]

I am confused by your original question. Is it about a hobby or a career?

[barren lagoon]

wtf, why you switching to the career that is fading away

[smoky quest]

healthcare is far from fading away. With an aging population, it's more important than ever

[barren lagoon]

I meant "from cyber to ai dev or software dev"

[smoky quest]

why would either of them be fading away?

[barren lagoon]

Well, maybe not AI dev, but
https://fortune.com/2025/07/02/microsoft-layoffs-9000-ai/
https://www.financialexpress.com/jobs-career/amazon-layoffs-14000-managers-to-go-as-cost-saving-push-intensifies-3780345/
https://nypost.com/2025/02/11/business/meta-lays-off-4k-workers-as-some-claim-they-received-glowing-reviews-just-last-year-report/

[smoky quest]

layoffs do not mean it's fading away

[barren lagoon]

The general sentiment is that senior devs can now shepherd a gaggle of LLMs and be more productive than the what used to be the thing.

[smoky quest]

That is not a universal sentiment though

[barren lagoon]

(I don't agree with this, but I also haven't driven this country into the state that it's in)

(while the general sentiment has)

[smoky quest]

by that token, ETH has overtaken BTC and BTC has overtaken USD

[barren lagoon]

ETH has what?

[smoky quest]

exactly. Right at the same time we got full self driving cars in the street

[barren lagoon]

BTC is like 100k times the USD, and the way countries are reacting...what channel is this again?

[smoky quest]

Exactly, and all my transactions are in BTC, especially my NFTs.

The point is that one should not conflate the market with what people are trying to hype in the current hype cycle.

In terms of career, CS jobs aren't fading away because of it

Meta had teams to work on whatever they felt like working on. They also had teams related to building school related software. They also had teams to build compilers for new languages to build new software for new consumer hardware.
It would not come as a surprise they are trimming all of that if the market does not remain as easy going

If companies were already able to replace software engineers by LLMs, then they would already have LLMs able to solve some PRs. And that's not even accounting for the added tech debt and lost time to debug LLM generated code or clean it up.
So no, AI is not taking jerbs. At least not yet

[balmy mural]

Once I move countries, I'm giving myself a set amount of time to fully focus on finding a job in software development. After that time passes, I can't keep depending on just my partner to cover all the expenses. So I'll be taking up any job I can while I keep looking for a job in software development

[lofty wolf]

Ok

[clear mist]

you don't need local job ? you can have a remote job where you work at any country afaik

[balmy mural]

I do have a local job currently. But I can't keep this job after relocating, so I would need to look for a new job

There's still a chance that my company can transfer me internally to our branch in the Netherlands, but it's very unlikely at this point based on communications between me and higher ups over the past 6 months

[marsh pine]

Ok

[vagrant flower]

@shy sigil

[marsh pine]

What are you learning now @vagrant flower

[vagrant flower]

Python

[marsh pine]

In which class do you read now

[vagrant flower]

7

[rough ridge]

Honestly at that age just have fun and do projects that interest you. And focus on school when that time comes. You will learn what you need in uni anyway. And will know better what you wanna work with.
The worst thing you can do is burn yourself out this early

[marsh pine]

Funny projects will help us in our age

[vagrant flower]

is there not anything more that i can do?

[rough ridge]

I mean in theory yes.
You can focus on learning the languages that uni will be using.

But again uni is literally there to teach you those, so imo you should just learn programming in general and do what you find fun.

Most skills will transfer between languages

[vagrant flower]

is free lancing possible?

[rough ridge]

While underage? Not really

[vagrant flower]

like with the help of parents and/or adults

[winter garnet]

That's roughly what I'm doing now
I'm going into college (which in the UK is from 16-18), taking Computer Science, Maths and Business
In the course you need to know HTML, CSS, JS, and in general just programming and part of the course is to make a project, after college I'm going to go to university

[rough ridge]

It differs between sites a bit but iirc one limit I saw was being at least 16, and ofc it's gonna depend on your local laws whether people at your age are allowed to work

[vagrant flower]

well idk if its allowed or not

but even if it isnt,its rarely enforced

[rough ridge]

Breaking the law is not a good way to get into uni

[winter garnet]

Alex said they were from Bangladesh, according to my search school is only compulsory till 10 and legal age for working is 14

Freelancing isn't really employment though

[vagrant flower]

I get good grades,I just wanna learn programming,in a way it would help me in the future and if possible,i wanna get experience through freelancing

[vagrant flower]

he btw

[rough ridge]

Imo you'll get better at programming doing personal projects, as you won't have deadlines and annoying clients.

[vagrant flower]

Isnt that technically a better simulation?

[rough ridge]

There is a thing that's designed to get you ready for work, it's called school

[balmy mural]

Generally, freelancing requires you to already have a few years of experience and networking contacts you can rely on to get stable clients

[vagrant flower]

yeah but my school is not at all reliable for anything that has to do with computers,only 1 teacher knows how to properly use a computer,and that's it,nobody knows how to code,no teachers atl east

[rough ridge]

Right, but programming is something you can learn on your own, and in uni.
A lot of the other work stuff is often taught in schools (at least here), like how to do interviews, how to write a resume, etc

[remote yacht]

wow microsoft finall replace snipping tool with WIN+SHIFT+S

great it doesnt work

[vagrant flower]

well even that is snipping tool

[remote yacht]

theres better freeware like sharex

[modest kraken]

wtf

[winter garnet]

👋

[modest kraken]

College at 16???????

[winter garnet]

That's how it is in the UK

Primary School - from 4-11
Secondary School - 11-16
College - 16-18

if your from the US our college is like your high school

[modest kraken]

Wow that’s strange, in everywhere I’ve been it’s just elementary middle high

But high school usually starts around 14 for most countries

[winter garnet]

also the main exams are at the end of every one of those periods of school I sent

so exams at 11, 16 then 18

[modest kraken]

Mixing 16 y os with 11yos is not the best idea lol

[winter garnet]

I'm going to a Sixth Form which is essentially the same qualifications you get as college however most sixth forms are part of a secondary school meaning there are 11 year olds with 18 year olds in the same school 🤣

[modest kraken]

What the helly

[winter garnet]

In the UK it's a standard to 'bully' the younger years and mess with them

[stark canyon]

Not so bad if by mixing you mean "study in the same school building". A bit worse if you mean "study in the same classroom".

[modest kraken]

That’s NOT a good standard 💀

I hope you don’t do that

[winter garnet]

Obviously I don't agree to it but it's become a sort of joke in the uk for all schools

if you're in year 7 (the first year) you're destined to deal with the year 11s

just things like asking for a touch and kicking their ball over the fence, harmless

it's a canon event one could say

[modest kraken]

Dang

I thought British people were nice

[dusty prism]

haha

[wanton birch]

I have a question about networking. It isn’t this one thing so can seem a bit abstract.

Can anyone here please share how specifically they networked and what resulted from it.

[rugged axle]

I lost a quant interview

[analog sun]

!cleanban 1228516101621551235 Only here for some weird mentoring advertising thing

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @humble thicket permanently.

[rugged axle]

hey why are you trying to ban me I just need some advice

[analog sun]

That wasn't you

[hollow oyster]

Hi. Will getting masters in CS improve my opportunity in getting a job ( SWE) ?

[wild skiff]

Depends on where you are getting your masters from

[open ivy]

Lots of people are saying that the job market in tech is competitive. Is this true or just are people complaining?

[untold compass]

Hi. Is making a project in tkinter worth it for resume building?

[peak halo]

It's true.

[vapid jay]

Probably not

[rugged axle]

oh my bad

[open ivy]

This makes me wonder if bieng overworked in tech is less of a thing these days? If there are more workers and less work, that is less work per worker.

[rugged axle]

How do I clear HFT and Quant interviews

I have worked with low latency betting systems

[open ivy]

What kind of project would you do to if you wanted to improve your portfolio?

[vapid jay]

Depends what im going for but mainly a crud app

[hoary wagon]

Chat, is Hyperskill a good place to relearn Python?

I lost quite amount of knowledge after years not using Python

[open ivy]

I am not too familiar with crud. What are the technical challenges you would be solving that AI copilot cannot? How would your app be useful if it only had a single user? It's OK if it is more useful with more people, but it should have *some *usage in singleplayer.

[vapid jay]

Ai can do a lot of things but u still need engineers in the future, just like accountants and excel.

U can make it have multiple users later down the line. If u want to just make sure it can store data someway

[open ivy]

Yes that is true, and I am curious what those limitations of AI are in Crud?

[vapid jay]

Honestly im not the best to awnser im not an expert, maybe ask around or look on google sorry.

[open ivy]

What projects are you currently working on in your portfoleo? It's OK if a job means you don't have that many hours per week, slow and steady wins the race.

[vapid jay]

Well im doing an online course atm but will make somthing with yahoo finance api cause its free im p sure

[open ivy]

When you hit the limitations of Copilot you will have to improvise. Maybe the future recruiters will want to hear about what improvisation you did?

[vapid jay]

I dont use co pilot personally, maybe chatgpt

[median viper]

Hello, so i wanna learn how to make a discord bot and a dashboard connected to it, using html/css/js is better than python here right?

if yea can i become good enough for that with 1h practice everyday for a year?

[gilded ore]

Hello everyone actually i am new in coding had done basics so what should i do next i am confused

[native frigate]

Hi, tell me what projects you had build

[gilded ore]

Had done just basics to do list rock paper scissors calculator

[fringe sphinx]

Hi, if you'd like to advertise a Python event, please contact the mod team at modmail first. We have better channels for this stuff anyway that'll get more attention.

[true nimbus]

ahh ok sorry bout that, but thanks for the advice and will do 👍

[wary cave]

do a course

[civic valley]

Hello guys I want all of your advices on choosing my bachelor

Should I get BSc in Computer science and artificial intelligence

Or BSc in Software engineering

Which one is more versatile and like more future proof cause ( keep in mind I'm new to computer world) but I'm in that deep-loop thinking of ai automating

So I want something that goes hand in hand with future

[peak halo]

have you confirmed that these are all distinct majors at universities that you might attend? because at least in the US, all of those fall under CS.

[vocal yacht]

Hello. I am new at learning Python. Do you have some recommendations for me?

[peak halo]

In either case, AI is mostly about theoretical math, so you'd need to be prepared to learn a lot of math. some people are disappointed to learn that AI is so math heavy because they think they hate math.

[civic valley]

It's all different departments

[civic valley]

I love math that's why I'm thinking of these kinds of majors rather than medical fields or others

Could you help me decide?

[peak halo]

I would try doing some basic data exploration and try training a classifier on that data, to see if ML fundamentals are something you could maintain interest in.

[civic valley]

I literally have no idea what goes on in computer world
I just finished highschool and deciding my major

I want to choose smth and start fundamentals as soon as possible so I'll be ready when I go to uni soon

[lost condor]

Is anyone there ?

[civic valley]

Hi

[lost condor]

@civic valley hey man what do you do ?

[civic valley]

Wdym ?

[peak halo]

Harsh is asking what your occpuation is

[lost condor]

yeah kind offf

and the domain that you are currently working in

this discord thing sometimes feels fu**** up a loy

[peak halo]

sorry? is there a problem?

[lost condor]

naahhh not related to people on this platform but this platform is confusing

[vocal yacht]

Hello. I am new in the programming world. I have just started learning Python but before I have been learning MakeCode and Scratch. I have base but not so fully because of my teachers at school. Do you have some tips what to do, learn? I am having classes about Python with group. We have just finished algorithms and some things that we use in Python such as int, if else... Please someone help me I want to be persuade a career in programming.

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[lost condor]

@jane learn maths and c bro and also learn dsa and sql just master these skills to expert level you will be unbeatable in this domain

every tech that bluffs today's people are built on basic yet powerful tech such as this c ,maths c++ ,java and all prograaming

[peak halo]

I'm not sure I agree with what Harsh is saying.

[lost condor]

I mean if you have mastered c those concepts of programming langauge will be hell strong

[peak halo]

why?

[lost condor]

you could master any high level progamming level

[peak halo]

why? because C is "difficult" and high-level languages are "easy"?

[vocal yacht]

So when I finish Python coursce I would like to try out to make my own project. And then what do you think about starting to learn C languages? What branch of math is important in programming?

[lost condor]

No because c includes every essntial concept and is deeply connected to hardware

c inculdes concepts like memory allocation malloc calloc funtions

[peak halo]

propositional logic, set theory, and graph theory.

[lost condor]

these python and js has garbage collector

hey stelercus

i have question for you !!

@peak halo

[peak halo]

please ping people when you ask a question, not when you're about to start typing one. that's like calling someone and putting them on hold.

[next plover]

hey my doctor does that

[peak halo]

@potent niche your message was removed for self-promotion and advertising a paid service.

[vocal yacht]

Guys what do you think when I finish Python to skip Java, JavaScript and then learn C family?

[lost condor]

first learn c then learn python

[peak halo]

I don't think it's important to learn C. I think you can learn the concepts that people associate with C (primitive data types, memory control, and others) without actually learning C.

I think C is a bad first language because it's too challenging to make anything interesting as a beginner. It's important that you make periodic achievements so that you feel like you're progressing.

You're getting a different opinion from Harsh, and that's fine.

[vocal yacht]

What is your opinion about my future plans in programming, tips where to go forward after Python etc. @peak halo

[peak halo]

you don't learn programming by gaining superficial knowledge about as many programming languages as possible. try doing different types of development and see what interests you.

[lost condor]

@jane it depends on in which domain you are intereseted in

[vocal yacht]

I want to work in field of AI

[remote yacht]

what u recommend meeting other dev? just get a job?

[real trench]

@hot nebula

[peak halo]

No. Please read the #rules

[real trench]

There is no easiest Programming Language for beginners, the key is that if you are learning something just be consistent!

[lapis wind]

<@&831776746206265384> cannot believe I had to do 3 different attempts to type this because discord auto-complete kept hiding the tag

[tender thicket]

!compban 1046986581782822943

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @empty minnow until <t:1754343338:f> (4 days).

[whole flare]

Ah. finally, the infamous three image scam

[deep mauve]

python so far is great

[vivid sorrel]

For people who are a bit further in their career, do you still love your job and have the same passion you had when you first entered into the world of programming/computers?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes

Maybe even more so

[modest kraken]

lol

[open ivy]

Are less people being overworked these days in tech? If it's hard to get a job that means there is not enough work to do for all the people who want to work.

[bronze gazelle]

Vba actually served me quite well for this. Crappy little apps in Excel and PowerPoint

[wheat hatch]

I like my job, and I would say my passion have evolved and broadened compared to when I was freshly graduated. Back then I was all about learning cool language features. I still like that today, but nowadays I also like learning how to drill stainless steel properly haha.

[elfin rock]

Here right?

@fringe sphinx So basically where im at is learning python through the cs50 course, and the japanese learning so what would you suggest i do or key things to remember, how difficult was the cs course and what to expect and what can help

[fringe sphinx]

Millions of people have taken a CS major. It's not so hard you should be worried, but hard enough where you just need to put in the time/work to succeed

If you're preparing for University, practice your maths. It's not super hard, but strong maths makes everything easier

[fringe sphinx]

But now: just write code, often. Follow your interests; you'll learn best by doing things that interest you. Don't worry about optimizing your path, or specializing.

[fringe sphinx]

For real practical advise:

1. watch PyCon or Europython videos on YouTube
2. Do projects, see link below
3. Ask questions often in #python-discussion . Answer questions, if you can, in #1035199133436354600

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[elfin rock]

Thanks so much man this is really helpful information

[hidden shell]

anybody is from pakistan

[stuck anvil]

Yeah

username = input("Enter your username: ")
email = input("Enter your email address: ")

user =username.split("_"),username.lower()
eml = email.strip().lower()

if user== "muhammad hamid ali khan" and eml == "[e-mail]":
print("Access Granted")
else:
print("Access Denied")
Pls help me to solve this error

[stuck anvil]

Help

[warm otter]

there's a comma in 4th line before "username". if thats the error you're getting.

[stuck anvil]

Yeah but how to solve this

[stuck anvil]

Pls help me bro

[warm otter]

user = username.replace("_", " ").lower()```

[stuck anvil]

Yeah I know but I want to use split funtion to solve this error

[warm otter]

sry then, cant help with that

[stuck anvil]

U know about join function

[warm otter]

user = " ".join(user)

[stuck anvil]

Can u teach me what join funtion do

[warm otter]

string = "_".join(list)

print(string)

# prints this -> a_b_c_d```

it converts list to string

[stuck anvil]

Oh

[floral monolith]

hey were i found a job related to data science and what best approach to get a job

[spring ivy]

sounds like a good idea

i personally learnt best when i wanted to create something in a language and used it for that

so i started coding up games in C++
I would code up websites in javascript that would help me/the community
I coded using vanilla js but then moved to firebase/svelte for these websites
i would code AI/ML or data processing pipelines in python when it helped my professors/bosses with automation stuff
I coded up in AHK when i wanted to automate some stuff or write scripts for games
I coded using lua when i wanted to make a WoW addon
I coded using SQL when we had to manage a large dataset for a project
Used DVC to get training data versioning systems
GitHub to manage projects collaboratively
Racket to code up interpreters
etc etc

[hidden shell]

bro is ka use kya hai.

[stuck anvil]

Bhai practice kar rah tah bas

[hidden shell]

kis cheez ki

[stuck anvil]

Python ki

[hidden shell]

programing chodo claud AI(chat bot) use kro

[white relic]

Please stick to English and Python in this server, per the #rules .

[stuck anvil]

Bhai friend request accept karo waha batata hu

[fringe sphinx]

!mute 1398422049332006994

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @hidden sinew until <t:1754050101:f> (1 hour).

[arctic sand]

hi

[dense mesa]

How far have you gotten before? Did you get any feedback from previous interviewers? What roles within the industry are you applying for?

You mentioned working with low latency betting systems, what was the nature of this? What did you learn?

[near ocean]

that is very cool but you're in the wrong place my guy, there are no jobs here

[bright blaze]

Used join alot to get initials from a full name

[rugged axle]

I made a part of the betting systems working on tokio and other stuff reducing latency by a lot but I still dont feel confident about this

I cleared 2 interview and couldnt clear the 3rd one

[rugged axle]

Hey Billy old friend long time no see. Its been so so long brother

[peak halo]

@dire sparrow your message was removed for asking for a job.

[leaden vigil]

It’s a career but I need a main safe career

[lilac yoke]

Theres far safer career paths out there

[smoky quest]

You can't really have multiple careers at the same time

Things would get complicated quickly

[peak halo]

You could have a career that's like, multifaceted. But you can't be a software engineer and a physician at the same time.

[woeful trench]

how to learn programming like i am starting with cs and i wanna have depth but I dont know hot to learn and how to exactly learn programming

[eager trellis]

cs50.harvard.edu/python/

free online course from Harvard with lectures and exercises (do the exercises)

[woeful trench]

thank you for the course but how to actually do it like i dont want to be able to just do what have been told like we learn law in books by various techniques to learn, maths by solving questions, but how to start with programming should I learn th syntax, make notes or what

[eager trellis]

Watch a lecture, take notes, do the exercises

in that order. You're building foundational knowledge right now. No need to get fancy, just make sure you're continually covering new material and that you're writing code that uses that new material

at a higher level, there is no better way to learn than that loop: have an expert explain something to you, take notes or otherwise engage with the material while learning to encourage memory, re-enforce and find the boundaries of your understanding by doing

[woeful trench]

thank you for helping out

[vocal yacht]

Hi guys. Here I am again. I do not know how to explain this what I am going to write in my native language then imagine in English. So right now at my course we have learned about algorihtms and now we are making algorithms into the programm and when my proffesor sends me material he send 4 versions of it from the easiest to hardest. Lately I have been thinking how to make a little bit harder program from the same algorithm? I hope that I explained my thinking good and is it just about practising. I have noticed that somehow Python and MakeCode are similliar. Althought in MakeCode you write in blocks the logic is simmiliar or my teacher has somehow forwarded me into a harder language.

[ember vigil]

<@&831776746206265384>

[tender thicket]

!cleanban 1329472740062793831 nsfw

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @sage pine permanently.

[vapid jay]

Hi can I be a web developer only by knowing html, css and flask.

[gray yacht]

A recruiter reached out to my friend looking to hire engineers, and my friend passed along my contact info. I didn't realize they were looking for full-time hires until after I'd already scheduled a meeting with the recruiter for tomorrow.

I'm going back for my third year in about a month, so I'm not available for full-time work right now.

I'm leaning toward being upfront with the recruiter now, but still expressing that I'm open to having the conversation. But i've been told to either not say anything or mention it closer to the interview data.

[regal ermine]

yes and no. You'll probably also need to understand how to use a bunch of other technologies (which you could learn on the job) such as Jenkins, git, javascript, maybe React, Node or Vue, AWS or similar cloud tech, perhaps NGINX/Docker, JSON, probably some SQL and NoSQL, and a good grasp of RESTful principles.

[slender jay]

hi everyone .First of all, I am now going to register in a private university, but I am confused about choosing my future.

i

i think Licence en Génie Logiciel et Systèmes d'Information is best for me

becouse i am new in IT world

[tropic trench]

I went to an interview, and they told me there'll be an another round for me today
The interviewer lives in germany, and it's almost 11 in here for me
What should I do?

Should I send an email about this?

[peak halo]

Why would they do an interview on a Saturday?

[tropic trench]

I don't know
That's what they said
So, It's not normal?

[peak halo]

I suspect you misunderstood what was said

[tropic trench]

The interviewer said they'll be informing me for the meeting
And they definitely mentioned that the next round will be at Saturday
They said that at last Tuesday

[peak halo]

@tropic trench was this information communicated to you in English?

[tropic trench]

Yes

So, could it be that I'm being ghosted?

[peak halo]

I don't mean to be rude, but your writing indicates that you don't speak English fluently. I suspect you misunderstood what was said.

Can you copy and paste the part where they said they would interview you on a Saturday?

[tropic trench]

It was a phone call

[peak halo]

Okay. I would send them an email on Monday.

[tropic trench]

I can't remember it exactly
But they said it like this:
"So [My Name], as informed, you'll be having your next round. And it'll on Saturday. Will that be ok for you?"
And I just accepted to attend on that day
Sorry, My typing is slow

[peak halo]

I've never heard of a single interview for a software developer happening on a Saturday. All I can suggest is that you try contacting them on Monday.

[tropic trench]

I'll try that
Thanks

But @peak halo , can you tell me why it's not normal to conduct interviews on Saturday?
Is it because it's in weekend?

[peak halo]

Right

[earnest orbit]

hey guys, new here. i'm in my final year of university so ive got tons of student debt racked up to pay off and ive picked up a python course to learn on the side and id really appreciate some advice to guide me on what i can do to leverage this skill into a side hustle? im new to python so i dont know where to start or where to go with it

[glass tree]

hm

nah imma gatekeep.

[near ocean]

Gatekeep what and why?

[smoky quest]

Think about python like a tool, such as a screwdriver.
People do not pick up a screw driver and then wonder what they can do with them. Rather, they already determined a goal for which a screwdriver is a useful tool.

It's the same thing here. Don't pick up python and then wonder how you can make an income out of it. Figure out first the type of income you can or want to make and only then figure out the tools and steps you need to achieve a glorious success

[glass tree]

a lotta stuff.

[earnest orbit]

some people keep screwdrivers for whenever they need it. same for acquiring a skill

[earnest orbit]

ok

im just asking how i can leverage python i didnt expect these responses

[peak halo]

What is your degree in?

[earnest orbit]

life sciences

[peak halo]

I do not think you can turn python into a side hustle

(and I still would have said that if you said computer science, but I would have asked why you would want a side hustle and not just a normal job.)

[earnest orbit]

why?

[peak halo]

You'd be competing for freelance jobs with people who know more than you and are willing to work for less.

And who just do freelance jobs full time

I assume you're looking for a career in your field

[earnest orbit]

im willing to learn skills

[south willow]

If u know something u wanna work with or make it ur career I think a side hustle would be great

[digital otter]

i fricking love pythonk

[earnest orbit]

i'm trying

[south willow]

With what side hustle?

[earnest orbit]

that was my question really

[peak halo]

I don't know anyone with a career outside of software development that has a programming side hustle.

From what I understand, web development is the most plentiful domain for freelancing.

[earnest orbit]

im also taking a html/css course

[peak halo]

@earnest orbit are you worried you won't be able to find a job in your field or that it won't pay enough?

I don't know very much about life sciences or what occupations are associated with it

[smoky quest]

Sure. But then that's called a hobby.

In terms of income while being a student, you may want to look at student jobs like waiter or working at coffee shops

[south willow]

u can look for job in python website

[white relic]

Hi @wooden obsidian , please read the #rules . I have deleted your message advertising services.

[lusty ocean]

I want to ask if I can get a job as a data engineer without a degree?? What are the best free sources to learn?

Do I need to learn pandas for data engineering?

[peak halo]

It would be exceptionally challenging to get a job as a data engineer without a degree. You'd need to have connections that can get you to the interview stage. Otherwise, you won't be able to out-compete degree holders in the cold application bin.

[lusty ocean]

What about data analysis??

[peak halo]

That would be even harder without a degree.

[lusty ocean]

Really why in which region are you living in?

[peak halo]

USA

Think of it from the company's perspective. Why should they trust that a self-taught analyst will lead them in the right direction with their expensive business decisions, when there's a pool of degree holders who had to prove to their university that they know enough to get their degree?

[sturdy talon]

I want opinion please; I am in the US and studying CS and want to do data science + finance in the future; any tips on what I can do and what I should focus on (am still in my first year of university) and any opinion if its still worth going into?

[modest kraken]

Make projects get internships

[long solar]

Has anybody ever actually heard back from a linkedin easyApply

[smoky quest]

I have

[long solar]

The chosen one

[remote yacht]

i miss the github job board

[long solar]

I never saw that, but X has a job board now lol

[remote yacht]

it was long time ago. some ppl abused so they canceled

[smoky quest]

I don't think serious companies would take any X's job board seriously

[remote yacht]

oh right i forgot elon wanted to make a "super app" like weechat

[long solar]

Best place is applying on the job website

[smoky quest]

might happen through misc. connectors to ATSes though

[long solar]

I found my current internship through handshake

[remote yacht]

i dont think any serious company will miss out the opportunity to speed up their recruitment process by using multiple job boards and filtering applications

[smoky quest]

4chan connector when

[remote yacht]

well 50% of job board job offers are scammy web agencies tho

[smoky quest]

that does not reflect my experience

[long solar]

Thats probably when I’m getting nonstop spam texts now after applying to many places

[remote yacht]

thats crazy. which job boards did you use?

[smoky quest]

indeed/linkedin

[remote yacht]

lol and u never saw them?

linkedin ok you can only write if youre credit card verified but indeed is full of that crap

[smoky quest]

not really

[remote yacht]

oh youre one of those people who just write "no"

[remote yacht]

i see time to block you ... if anybody wondering .. try to write more than 10 messages on linkedin w/o being cc auth

[long solar]

?? Lmao

[smoky quest]

I am sorry you had such a bad experience on linkedin

[long solar]

I’ve used jobright to apply to a few places idk if people have heard of it. Some LinkedIn posts funnel me to apply through there

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't worry.
The market is tough and some people take things quite personally and get angry at the system.

[remote yacht]

nah its because ure writing bs not my personal experience

sry nobody told u... guess ure too famous

[smoky quest]

please do block me 🙂

[long solar]

If half the places I apply to on linkedin are scams, thats news to me

[remote yacht]

it seems like you didnt follow the conversation

[smoky quest]

yeah they aren't.
I have seen some scam. But they were a tiny tiny tiny minority.

The main reason people don't get called back is due to their resume and skill issues.
Each job ad literally gets thousands of applicants. So it's difficult to stand out.

If you are about to apply, I would recommend to send here an anonymized version of your resume for review and feedback.

[long solar]

The worst is the data annotation spam that says 50/hr to train your replacement

[smoky quest]

yeah, I wouldn't care for these

[remote yacht]

whatever lifes too short to argue about meaningless stuff like this

[long solar]

I still need to add a skills section to my resume, the hard part is finding what to cut out to make room. I’ve seen the engineeringresumes subreddit has a great guide on how to format and what to include

[smoky quest]

how does it look like right now?
What roles are you applying to?

[long solar]

Short Education section, then Projects section with like 4 entries, then Experience section with 2 entries

[smoky quest]

I mean, it may help to post an anonymized version of your current resume here for feedback and review
The devil is in the details

[long solar]

I’ve done it before and got good feedback, once I start seriously applying to jobs again I’ll reoptimize and see what everyone thinks

[smoky quest]

Sure. that works too!

[white mauve]

We're not here for code challenges. We're here to build leverage.

[harsh river]

are you here to advertise?

[white mauve]

Haha no promotion here. Just here to connect and code. I’m all about building real stuff and learning with others.

[long solar]

Ai ahh response