But for the argument of "c# is a ripoff of java" i dont rlly get that lol. Ignoring minecraft java, theres like no games made in it. Also c# is much more high level comparatively (idk if thigh level is the word lol)
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
zinc temple
nimble ivy
But for the argument of "c# is a ripoff of java" i dont rlly get that lol. Ignor...
it is, you're absolutly correct
zinc temple
So how is it a ripoff then lol
nimble ivy
EEEEEE
zinc temple
Or is it a ripoff in the sense that Oreo got its ideas from a worse company
nimble ivy
Or is it a ripoff in the sense that Oreo got its ideas from a worse company
prolly
zinc temple
Ah ye i can see why lol, googled it and the original co was "hydrox" lol. Sounds like a cleaning solution 💀
Im great at editing lol
nimble ivy
Ah ye i can see why lol, googled it and the original co was "hydrox" lol. Sounds...
thats why it prolly faild
rare moat
yes C is still more commonly used for operating systems. lets list off some of them!
zinc temple
Pretty sure most linux stuff is done in c
daring jay
Pretty sure most linux stuff is done in c
most of the kernel is written in C
https://api.github.com/repos/torvalds/linux/languages (bytes of code in each language)
rare moat
@jovial island
all of these use C.
(machines) >>= ls
debian-11.2.0 freebsd-13.0 linux-mint-20.3 ms-dos-6.22 netbsd-9.2 openbsd-7.0 solaris-10-oracle ultrix-vax-4.5 unix-v7 unixware-7.1.4 vm-esa-2.4 windows-10 windows-2000 windows-7
(machines) >>=
zinc temple
https://api.github.com/repos/torvalds/linux/languages (bytes of code in each lan...
What are those numbers?
rare moat
along with like, a bajillion other UNIX variants.
jovial island
<@456226577798135808>
Dont ping me when i tell you im not interested in talking to you
rare moat
🥴
daring jay
What are those numbers?
(bytes of code in each language)
in torvalds/linux
zinc temple
Ah alr
fresh grotto
vm overlord name earnt
rare moat
damn right it is
daring jay
> (machines) >>= ls
> debian-11.2.0 freebsd-13.0 linux-mint-20.3 ms-dos-6.22 ...
I demand that you use exa, because colors
rare moat
hold on let me get my glass of water
alright: here is my gigabrain move
alias ls!='/usr/bin/ls --color=auto --group-directories-first'
alias ls='ls --ignore=*.o --color=auto --group-directories-first'
daring jay
alias ls="exa -1la --group-directories-first" :p
daring jay
yes
rare moat
do i look like i breath oxygen
rare moat
"Rust users go to mars to get more stupider"
wait
yeah that holds up
how does it feel to be on the INFERIOR PLANET
gaunt plank
Im trying to write a script that restarts spotify when there is an advert. Restarting it is easy but i cant figure out how i can get it to continue playing sons after it reopend. Does ao got some ideas on that?
languid osprey
C users go to fucking jupiter and die because there's no oxygen
rare moat
C users go to fucking jupiter and die because there's no oxygen
DAMN
hollow heart
thanks!
pseudo creek
@sturdy relic you asked about power requirements for mainframes - this is the z13 technical manual
https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg248251.pdf, page 387 (actual page number, ~411 for the viewer), for environmental requirements
The system operates with two fully redundant power supplies. One is in the front, and the other is in the rear of the Z frame. Each power supply has either one or two power cords.
Systems that have two power cords (one in the front and one in the rear) can be started with one power cord and continue to run.
The larger systems that have a minimum of four bulk power regulator (BPR) pairs that are installed must have four power cords installed. A system that has four power cords can be started with two power cords on the same power supply with sufficient power to keep the system running.
Power cords attach to either 3-phase, 50/60 Hz, 200 - 480 V AC power, or 380 - 520 V DC power
fluid plank
`alias ls="exa -1la --group-directories-first"` :p
u forgot icons
!ban @daring jay . not using icons
daring jay
my font doesn't support those specific icons and I don't know how to set fallback fonts for winterm (if I knew how, I'd set it to Fira Code NF)
fluid plank
my font doesn't support those specific icons and I don't know how to set fallbac...
i think there is a traCking issue for that but i doubt that is their priority
lofty loom
Catto
jovial island
It's the catto from that catto game
remote widget
I agree
brazen jacinth
C users go to fucking jupiter and die because there's no oxygen
ASM users always go to heck because they don't like higher levels.
im here
multiple reasons
they are ridiculously bad for the environment
are volatile
and mining just sucks
pliant trench
oh you're the C guy
rare moat
allegedly
pliant trench
why do you like C btw
rare moat
i can write hyper portable code
pliant trench
wdym portable code
rare moat
code that supports a lot of platforms.
pliant trench
what platform
rare moat
when i say platforms, i mean really old platforms, like MS-DOS, OS/2, and old UNIXes.
as well as modern platforms.
pliant trench
do anyone uses them anymore?
rare moat
not really
fluid plank
C is still relevant even if i dont like it
river talon
can't that be done in rust?
rust is hardly portable
pliant trench
hmph
river talon
zig does
zig doesnt even run on a pa-risc processor
not yet at least
only runs on linux, bsd, and windows but that will probably change one day
fluid plank
zig doesnt even run on a pa-risc processor
with lil work maybe. and rust can with effort but the priorities are not there so C is your probable bet as always
river talon
porting a compiler is hard i will admit
river talon
with lil work maybe. and rust can *with effort* but the priorities are not there...
i dont blame you at all
c is the standard language for a reason
edgy bane
@fluid plank
river talon
but rust is the most unportable thing ever
consumes half of the ram on a simple system to just say hi and leave
fluid plank
<@674261595710291980>
🤔
river talon
it could be slimmed down but that would take the fun out of it
fluid plank
consumes half of the ram on a simple system to just say hi and leave
zig eats ram too
river talon
yea..not the best languages
fluid plank
i cant build it successfully in an i586 system 🤣 so i gave up on submitting it to opensuse factory
fluid plank
made in py
why me tho
river talon
well one of my friends uses a ceramic pentium powered machine for his router
75mhz
openbsd runs fine on it supposedly
edgy bane
i thought you made 👌 at my pic but i see it was something else
river talon
the fact that people say rust is portable is disappointing
rust is about as portable as microsoft windows
but i must give credit where credit is due
at least zig has good pointer support
the c header parsing feature is somewhat broken
fluid plank
@river talonC and Rust memory models arent best friends so i get it
river talon
indeed
not that its really bad
but i dont see rust running on any machine that isnt linux
one of my friends who was on here at some point before said it took him a lot of modification to run a rust compiler on plain darwin
fluid plank
at least zig has good pointer support
Zig is still considered alpha i think. i mean they are still solving this https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/6485
river talon
its been out for ten years
fluid plank
is there a Zig compiler for DOS?
someone used zig on gameboy color
u can check out on zig discord server
rare moat
any language can build binaries for an any operating system.
rare moat
that is impressive, do not get me wrong.
river talon
that seems not true
rare moat
haha
river talon
i too can use a table assembler
rare moat
Zig does seem like an interesting language and i have considered learning it before.
river talon
are you going to run it on a modern pc or a vm?
rare moat
oh, virtual machine haha.
river talon
there is a bug in the ide disk code
rare moat
river talon
it does not work with disks over 2 gb
rare moat
yeah i think Hacker mentioned something like that to me.
river talon
you have those running now?
rare moat
yeah
river talon
that reminds me of hs's vm control socket system
river talon
he has close to 100 vms running across several servers in his house
rare moat
..he also has like 64 GB of ram at his disposal, and i have like 16. 
yeah its very impressive
river talon
he almost lost a server because of his ham radio addiction though
rare moat
rare moat
oh it erases magnetic disks if you get to close.
river talon
or too far
rare moat
🥴
river talon
he had a tape of usl 4.2 that he lost
rare moat
you got to find that sweet spot
river talon
three fourths wavelength
river talon
he has several he doesnt use anymore
rare moat
he probably has like 5
river talon
try 10
rare moat
river talon
4331, p/390, p/370, old z parts
rare moat
these look cool.
river talon
they take too much power for him to run
rare moat
zed OS \s
river talon
he has all of the original install tapes
rare moat
river talon
he has a bookshelf of nine track format tapes
reel to reel style from the 80s and sevreal working drives
rare moat
this guy has everything i swear to god
river talon
he said that if anything bad happens to him
youre first on the list to get his stuff and save it
rare moat
i am in the fucking will
rare moat
yeah i learned that pretty quickly.
river talon
when he says he will run rust on a system/370 he will do it
he will also not do it because he hates rust
rare moat
i wonder if he ever pulled that off
river talon
he said it was a dumb language for low effort programs
rare moat
eh
river talon
i wonder if he ever pulled that off
it involved a hand generation step
because xf-asm cant read gnu assembler
rare moat
that is where me and him diverge a lot.
river talon
what do you mean by that
rare moat
ehh maybe not diverge but
i do not want to say he is extreme at times with his dislike of other languages
rare moat
yeah, that is just how he is i guess. he is still one of my friends though so i do not care.
river talon
he doesnt hate other languages like he says he does
he will use it if he has to
but he really likes to avoid at all costs
rare moat
yeah lol
river talon
he thinks with future proofing in mind
that silly python interpreter wont run on rad-hard computers he had
he has a special set of old pcs in his radio room for the purpose of not frying under strong electromagnetic fields
rare moat
realistically the only languages that i think will outlive me are:
- C
- LISP
- maybe C++
river talon
they are all probably 40 years older than him
rare moat
or older
rare moat
exclusively?
river talon
within reason yes
mmtty runs on windows 3.1
thats why he wrote catctl
he has an old unix workstation that has more metal layers on the case than a bomb shelter
rare moat
yeah lmfao
rare moat
why not
river talon
he has a mortal fear of high voltage systems
he just dropped out of the morning net something must be up
rare moat
his antenna fell.
rare moat
lmao yeah
river talon
i took over net control while he eats breakfast
also do you have any old pcs to run these old systems on?
if not just ask hs he will be glad to get you several
maybe not mainframe class machines but he has a few p/390s he might lend out
he might lend a pdp11 if you ask
@rare moat if you are still on freq..he might be willing to part with his old 4d/35.. he'd do it for you if you really wanted it
river talon
well if you can emulate it today you can emulate it tomorrow
remember this very well because old pcs break
rare moat
oh he wrote his own?
river talon
he wrote a fix for sdl hyperion that lets him use the real dasd disks from his p/390 machine
also wrote an emulation for the aws-ica integrated communications adapter
only seen on a p/390 and not on any other machine
thats how he is able to run one of the old versions of vm
the vm/esa 1.1 instance is on real disks
rare moat
ahhh VM
rare moat
best os ever made
is it though
river talon
substantially more reliable than linux
and unlike rust and zig the compilers on there dont have bugs
like rust and zig they are hard to use
rare moat
lmao
river talon
thats how it was then
you either read the manual and worked the terminal or you found another job
unless you were a tape monkey
that is a hard job
librarian times a thousand
that is really what the job was called too
river talon
tastes like blood
everybodys licked a tape before working in computing either on accident or on purpose
rare moat
on purpose
🥴
river talon
someone had to test it
brazen jacinth
everybodys licked a tape before working in computing either on accident or on pu...
how'd you know?
river talon
hs will probably tell you he can taste the data
smoky island
tastes like blood
Are you a vampire 🧛
river talon
how'd you know?
i saw it
and tried it myself
it wasnt very good
anyways..after those concerning comments
yes do not lick the tape because it degrades the adhesive
brazen jacinth
yes do not lick the tape because it degrades the adhesive
and also it tastes bad
river talon
it also is toxic to us
and not what i would call a good alternative to burger seasoning 🤣
river talon
crypto is a waste of processor time
waste of power..waste of disk..waste of good computing hardware
jovial island
crypto is a waste of processor time
uwaah can i pls get your point of view on crypto please ?
river talon
not because its bad but because it is inefficient
river talon
uwaah can i pls get your point of view on crypto please ?
crypto is dumb
jovial island
not because its bad but because it is inefficient
i see !
river talon
there will always be a market for food
if you are starving, you WILL trade me some corn cobs for some water
not some bitcoins
jovial island
but why do so many ppl talk about crypto and say its good tho~?
jovial island
if you are starving, you WILL trade me some corn cobs for some water
ohh that's not very profitable if we take that for ex~!
river talon
because they dont know economics, practacility, and surely arent engineers
river talon
put simply..crypto is meaningless in the long run
if there is a power failure your crypto is meaningless
if you run out of disk space you can no longer maintain the blockchain
jovial island
if there is a power failure your crypto is meaningless
oh how is power failure related to crypto ?
river talon
because your mining rigs take 10000kw of power
brazen jacinth
@languid osprey 👀
river talon
when your mining rig uses 4x the electricity of a 100 kw radio station you have a problem
jovial island
because your mining rigs take 10000kw of power
i see !
brazen jacinth
he do be lurkin'
jovial island
when your mining rig uses 4x the electricity of a 100 kw radio station you have ...
mhm !
tranquil sleet
also not good for the environment 😐
brazen jacinth
when your mining rig uses 4x the electricity of a 100 kw radio station you have ...
and when it uses more power than entire medium sized country in a year, you have a bigger problem
river talon
i mean a radio station just throws magnetic waves out into space
but that provides entertainment
brazen jacinth
and also, very volatile
jovial island
also not good for the environment 😐
rly rly ? pls tell me more why~!
river talon
crypto does not really provide entertainment
river talon
rly rly ? pls tell me more why~!
most of the crypto "plants" run off of coal-fired plants
brazen jacinth
the entire value of the crypto market is defined on elons tweets
river talon
yes
brazen jacinth
that isn't very good
river talon
just one man to wield the power of the world at his hand
jovial island
most of the crypto "plants" run off of coal-fired plants
oh i see~! that rly isn't good for our enviroment !
river talon
just one dumb man with no real matter
river talon
oh i see~! that rly isn't good for our enviroment !
yes indeed it isnt
tranquil sleet
i wouldn't call him dumb tbf
brazen jacinth
i wouldn't call him dumb tbf
childish is better
river talon
besides if you are going to use that much power you better be doing something good with that power
yes childish is a very good way to put it
tranquil sleet
whimsy i'd say
jovial island
elon musk isn't dumb yeah i wouldn't call him that either~!
languid osprey
Didn't that one flight attendant come forward with the sa thing
brazen jacinth
did you know a single cat has enough energy to power the entire country of norway for a year? i'd say we switch over to cat power
river talon
but yes crypto is massive power waste
tranquil sleet
cats generate electricity?
river talon
i say we switch over to sun power..lots of free power across the EM spectrum
jovial island
cats generate electricity?
i didn't know that . . . .
river talon
but solar panels arent so good
brazen jacinth
cats generate electricity?
nope, e=mc^2, their mass has the right amount of energy
river talon
solar panels are only 20% efficient
tranquil sleet
nope, e=mc^2, their mass has the right amount of energy
lmfao
river talon
and solar panels give off lots of radio interference
brazen jacinth
although, accessing that cat energy is very difficult
median blade
wait for nuclear fusion tech
river talon
nuclear fission
i am not putting jimmy in a nuclear fusor either
well okay not fusion
fusion requires uranium or some other such heavy element
jovial island
wait for nuclear fusion tech
median blade
hey, someone that uses f#!
ayy
tranquil sleet
we're advancing at quite an alarming rate without thinking about the consequences
river talon
havent used ml in approximately 30 years
tranquil sleet
might end up real bad
jovial island
f# is a great ML language
ml ?
tranquil sleet
i'm already living in fucking 43°c
river talon
an old functional programming language
median blade
fusion requires uranium or some other such heavy element
um fusion requires hydrogen or helium afaik
languid osprey
I read an ocaml book if that count
jovial island
what does ml stand for~?
tranquil sleet
machine learning
river talon
good question
brazen jacinth
what does ml stand for~?
machine learning
languid osprey
ML as in the language
jovial island
ohh rigghhht !
river talon
from the 70s
tranquil sleet
ah
brazen jacinth
from the 70s
not that old, please elaborate
jovial island
its a langauage called ML
oh mb !
river talon
i think it's the metalanguage
slate leaf
Fusion is done with isotopes of hydrogen to create helium, not heavy radioactive elements
brazen jacinth
Fusion is done with isotopes of hydrogen to create helium, not heavy radioactive...
based mods
river talon
according to wikipedia it is from 1973
river talon
Fusion is done with isotopes of hydrogen to create helium, not heavy radioactive...
fission uses heavy radioactive elements for the confused
jovial island
not too long ago !
river talon
we use fission
languid osprey
Practically yesterday
river talon
stars use fusion
brazen jacinth
stars use fusion
yes but stars are big
river talon
well ml is almost as old as me 🤣
jovial island
Practically yesterday
river talon
yes stars are big and they have gravity on their side
jovial island
well ml is almost as old as me 🤣
omg how old r u~?
river talon
we dont have gravity on our side
slate leaf
Yup, large scale nuclear reactors are all about controlling the radioactive decay of uranium
river talon
oh i am really old, late 60s
jovial island
if u dont mind me asking . . .
river talon
but i want to try to spread good advice while im around
brazen jacinth
we dont have gravity on our side
(boutta make a ur mum joke)
median blade
damn this is probably the first time im seeing a 60+ year old using discord
jovial island
oh i am really old, late 60s
grandpa what are u doing here~?
brazen jacinth
we dont have gravity on our side
except if we get ur mum in the equation, then we have gravity on our side
jovial island
grandpa also knows how to use emojis lol !
brazen jacinth
a map of radio propagation on 10 meters
nice
jovial island
sry for laughing !
river talon
yeah, him and i were talking on there last night
jovial island
yeah, him and i were talking on there last night
river talon
my friend that convinced me to join also left this discord
brazen jacinth
daver might be guido undercover and we won't know
river talon
guido? the python guy?
brazen jacinth
guido? the python guy?
yes
median blade
yes
river talon
no that definitely isnt me 😂
jovial island
atleast grandpa won't be lonely i heard u get lonelier as u old grow is that correct~?
river talon
it is true
jovial island
it is true
here lemme give u a hug !
river talon
but because im into amateur radio..i talk to at least 100 people a day
jovial island
river talon
there's so many people out there
and you can talk to people from all over the world
discord is just the same too!
i can talk to people all over the world on here too
median blade
yes it indeed is nice
jovial island
and you can talk to people from all over the world
true there are great ppl in discord from servers such as this one but there are also ppl who aren't as nice~! but its still interesting !
jovial island
servers which are educational hv nice ppl in it mostly as far as ik ! so even if i stay back in discord it will prolly only be for servers such as this one !
river talon
crypto!
jovial island
oh yeah, crypto bad
river talon
true there are great ppl in discord from servers such as this one but there are ...
yeah..one of my friends left because of such a thing
but that is how it goes with anything
jovial island
yeah..one of my friends left because of such a thing
grandpa can i pwease get a life advice ?
river talon
yes:
don't do anything you might regret tomorrow, much less ten years from now
i know it sounds basic but its true
and
branch out into several technical subjects
don't just be into computing...be into everything else: electronics, radio, audio systems, cars
jovial island
don't do anything you might regret tomorrow, much less ten years from now
alright i actually understand i don't ever want to regret doing anything~!
tranquil sleet
i've been exploring so many technical subjects that i'm pretty lost as to what i want to do with my career
jovial island
don't just be into computing...be into everything else: electronics, radio, audi...
ohh i see !
rare moat
median blade
i currently study space, aviation and CS
tranquil sleet
5Head move
river talon
if youre just into one subject you'll be left in the dust
jovial island
i am actually going to listen to everything u said so thank u so much grandpa !
languid osprey
Oh cars are cool
rare moat
cars? cool?
river talon
the guy that i mentioned was on here was once an aspiring mechanic
goo you know him
he gave up on mechanics after some issues
rare moat
i know a lot of people
river talon
we all do
tranquil sleet
if youre just into one subject you'll be left in the dust
it's more about wanting to get a job and kickstart my career but it's hard to pinpoint on that one job which "makes you want to wake up in the morning and go do it"
river talon
exactly
the saying do what you love and you will never work a day in your life is very true
brazen jacinth
it's more about wanting to get a job and kickstart my career but it's hard to pi...
hm
jovial island
ooops well i need to go the library so bai bai everyone~! bai bai granpa !
river talon
good luck!
tranquil sleet
the saying do what you love and you will never work a day in your life is very t...
i've also been overworking myself to learn various other stuff but i feel like it's all in vain
brazen jacinth
ooops well i need to go the library so bai bai everyone~! bai bai granpa !
dammit
river talon
dont overwork yourself
brazen jacinth
i have books i haven't returned for 3 years 😓
brazen jacinth
you just brought up 3 years worth of stress and anxiety
rare moat
RETURN YOUR BOOKS
river talon
you're gonna be buying up three years worth of books if you dont turn them in soon!
tranquil sleet
my brain shortcircuited once while i was doing about 4 free courses at once just in hopes of getting a job and boy that did not turn out well
brazen jacinth
RETURN YOUR BOOKS
i can,'t im in a different country
rare moat
reminds me i have an English assignment to finish.
brazen jacinth
for the next 1.5-2 months
river talon
then you probably arent obligated to turn them in
tranquil sleet
sounds like india 👀
brazen jacinth
then you probably arent obligated to turn them in
i hope
rare moat
these people need to cut their damn grass
brazen jacinth
sounds like india 👀
yes it is, visiting my grandma here. she's a cancer patient and my mom wanted to see her
rare moat
lawn mower go vroom
river talon
indeed it does
rare moat
yes it is, visiting my grandma here. she's a cancer patient and my mom wanted to...
yikes, sorry man.
river talon
sorry to hear that
anyways, i guess i should go get that cranked up and done
i hope the bad engine on it decides to WORK
👋
rare moat
have fun
dire sedge
found some baby spiders
tranquil sleet
aww
dire sedge
now link your camera/macro lens 🔫
nikon d3400 with the kit lens
i don't have a macro lens
my camera, lens and bag total cost where only €260
gritty current
hey
hey
write stun seed somewhere
then read it in reverse
gritty current
found some baby spiders
dire sedge
found some baby spiders
i will retry in like 30 min because rain
pliant trench
found some baby spiders
aww, now burn em all
dire sedge
aww, now burn em all
they aren't dangerous at all
pliant trench
jk
dire sedge
https://tenor.com/view/scared-anime-terrified-gif-17412153
no they are cute
jovial island
but but i heard the smaller they are the more deadlier they are !
brazen jacinth
https://tenor.com/view/scared-anime-terrified-gif-17412153
they are cute
brazen jacinth
but but i heard the smaller they are the more deadlier they are !
scorpions, man
dire sedge
they will be like this in the future also this isn't my image just something i found online
jovial island
no they are cute
quick question if u do not mind do u live in australia~?
jovial island
they will be like this in the future also this isn't my image just something i f...
omgg pls stoopp-
dire sedge
no i live in the Netherlands and the most dangerous animal here is probably a house cat or a dog
actually no the wolf is the most dangerous here then probably some birds
jovial island
no i live in the Netherlands and the most dangerous animal here is probably a ho...
awwh so u live in europe like me ! cool~!
and true dogs here are so big and scawry !
brazen jacinth
wrong reply fuck
dire sedge
actually if one of those spiders bites it doesn't even hurt that much it isn't even as bad as a mosquito
it also only lasts a few sec to a few min
brazen jacinth
actually if one of those spiders bites it doesn't even hurt that much it isn't e...
mosquito don't hurt, they itch
brazen jacinth
and the spiders i've met, real chill guys, feel demonized by humans, in their own words
dire sedge
mosquito don't hurt, they itch
yeah that is how harmless they are
brazen jacinth
yeah that is how harmless they are
malaria moment
although, the only ones you should be real scared of would be the brown recluse and the black widow
dire sedge
although we also seem to have these spiders here ruler for scale (ofc in cm)
brazen jacinth
although we also seem to have these spiders here ruler for scale (ofc in cm)
That's it? Us Australians face 7 foot Carnivorous potato bugs
dire sedge
That's it? Us Australians face 7 foot Carnivorous potato bugs
well that is the largest spider i've ever seen here
that isn't at a zoo or something like that
brazen jacinth
that isn't at a zoo or something like that
pet the little bugger already
dire sedge
pet the little bugger already
no that was a few weeks ago and let it go in the garden
brazen jacinth
no that was a few weeks ago and let it go in the garden
aw
dire sedge
he needs to get back in my room because i finally got a decent camera
brazen jacinth
he needs to get back in my room because i finally got a decent camera
nice
rich cargo
although we also seem to have these spiders here ruler for scale (ofc in cm)
I get goosebumps just looking at this
jovial island
spiders are real scary !
dire sedge
I get goosebumps just looking at this
just know that they live in europe and are mostly harmless
jovial island
eeeek omg what !!
rich cargo
spiders are real scary !
yeah, even if it's harmless but the appearance is scary
dire sedge
there's a bee flying in my room rn !
cute
brazen jacinth
there's a bee flying in my room rn !
reminds me a friend who was deathly allergic to bees
rich cargo
just know that they live in europe and are mostly harmless
the appearance is scary 😅
dire sedge
the appearance is scary 😅
or cute
dire sedge
although yes it is quite scary when you find one at midnight when you want to sleep in your room
brazen jacinth
at least we can all agree cockroaches make good pets and can be petted
... right?
dire sedge
at least we can all agree cockroaches make good pets and can be petted
sure in a bottle of saltwater without air for like 8 hours
rich cargo
at least we can all agree cockroaches make good pets and can be petted
nope! I hate cockroaches 🙂
brazen jacinth
.topic
rustic harborBOT
brazen jacinth
nope
jovial island
yep~!
jovial island
yes i will try it~! teeheee
brazen jacinth
or play chess
jovial island
or play chess
let's play chess !
brazen jacinth
let's play chess !
alr
jovial island
i am extremely sorry i actually can't play my friend suddenly is calling me~!
she said its imp !
brazen jacinth
alr
jovial island
i am very sorry~!
steel eagle
This is a conversation that would've been better suited to DMs
rustic harborBOT
brazen jacinth
probably ||👌||
tranquil sleet
why ya'll scared of spiders
they're the coolest insect i know
https://youtube.com/shorts/Q0zEuKQontE?feature=share @hollow heart thought you'd like this banger edit 🤣
jovial island
found some baby spiders
so cute!
jovial island
they're the coolest insect i know
||THEYRE NOT INSECTS||
slate leaf
This otn is tickling my memory
mental idol
The refactor is going... well
remote widget
What's this
mental idol
pain
Though, things are looking much better.
Back to green. Now to finish the documentation changes.
remote widget
What's the module about
mental idol
!pypi secretbox
clever salmonBOT
remote widget
Oh cool
mental idol
"small" refactor https://github.com/Preocts/secretbox/pull/81/files
... managed only one breaking change too.
dull ridge
nice
mental idol
Someday I won't feel the need to do a +607 change to a library that already works.
Today is not that day.
tranquil sleet
~~||THEYRE NOT INSECTS||~~
why they gotta look like one tho 😦
merry arrow
found some baby spiders
spdooders
tranquil sleet
spoderling
dire sedge
This otn is tickling my memory
well if that is because my photo's sorry but i will probably keep using this channel to showcase my new hobby
slate leaf
well if that is because my photo's sorry but i will probably keep using this cha...
Oh no you are fine, keep the spider photos coming! I was saying that I vaguely remember the ot name
brazen jacinth
well if that is because my photo's sorry but i will probably keep using this cha...
send more pics
i mean more spider pics
dire sedge
send more pics
sadly not at my pc right now but might have some that i send to some other server
like this one
brazen jacinth
like this one
nice
dire sedge
i think that photography is taking a lot of time away from programming for me
brazen jacinth
i think that photography is taking a lot of time away from programming for me
hehe, it was me your ANTIPRODUCTIVITY DEMON, HAHAH, you can NO LONGER program!!11!!
dire sedge
yeah but that is just because it is so much fun
i also really enjoy editing the images although i think i might have only sent 2 edited images here
marsh kestrel
@dire sedge is that a macro lens you are using in the photos of the spider
dire sedge
<@427433072967942147> is that a macro lens you are using in the photos of the s...
nope just a kit lens
marsh kestrel
Really
dire sedge
yes a 18-55mm
dire sedge
and ofc everything on manual
dire sedge
a nikon d3400
dire sedge
my camera+lens+bag was only €260
marsh kestrel
That’s a great price
dire sedge
I’m more of a Sony fan
same but was to expensive for me
dire sedge
i don't think that i can help you with finding a good body for you although there is quite a large photography server on discord they can probably help you
marsh kestrel
What do u mean by good body
dire sedge
good camera body the thing you attach the lenses to and that makes the pictures
marsh kestrel
Oh thought so
I have an d one at the moment just a lumix g2
It use to be my farthest
What a 45-60m lens and a 100-200
dire sedge
so mostly for telephoto
marsh kestrel
Sound good
torn breach
Anyone can help ? unable to solve for long hours
remote widget
torn breach
I already followed but it shows during commanding that like file is missing and at last not work
https://youtu.be/BvPXIC53F7k
At 1:36 this youtuber is deleting a windows update file , I haven't tried . Want to ask is it ok to delete this file ? will it create some problem?(has some different error number for him)
@remote widget
for him the error is fixed in his case
torn breach
remote widget
Configure storage sense or run it now
torn breach
remote widget
Clean Now
torn breach
yes cleaning
remote widget
Can u show a pic
In W11 there's a special option to delete Windows Update files
I wanna see if W10 also got that, since W11 is based off W10
torn breach
remote widget
Hm, lemme see from where it deletes, in the vid
torn breach
https://youtu.be/BvPXIC53F7k
At 1:36 this youtuber is deleting a windows update ...
in this video he delete it
torn breach
ok
brazen jacinth
Uh, no. Don't mess with the Registry
too late 😬
torn breach
@remote widget have you got anything?
remote widget
@torn breach I will ve getting on my laptop in an hour and a half, I will be able to help u only then
torn breach
ok
faint harbor
.cool i to talk to some one just to get the voice permision to talk in the rooms
any one is there
hola
dire sedge
like this one
made some edits do you guy's think that the edited version it better or worse?
spice maple
hey someone know here Assembly in emu8086 and can help me pls?
brazen jacinth
made some edits do you guy's think that the edited version it better or worse?
better
guys wish me luck im making cocaine
i mean a presentation on cocaine
dire sedge
i mean a presentation on cocaine
Good just don't make some cocaine for the presentation
feral meteor
My Cocaine?
opaque pewter
breh
edgy bane
yo check out #ot0-fear-of-python
civic plank
205 went up fast prior to this (which was also a PR lol)
median blade
this you? :0
civic plank
this you? :0
Yes unfortunately 😩
median blade
zamn
civic plank
Wish I was as big and strong as the gigachad spotting me
brazen jacinth
sadge
fluid plank
Wish I was as big and strong as the gigachad spotting me
it takes time
but good thing u started :3
lucid charm
Guys what is this bar up in the photo refre to?
remote widget
Prolly the path
lucid charm
Prolly the path
i mean does this hp mean the pc name for example ?
remote widget
Ig?
fluid plank
Guys what is this bar up in the photo refre to?
username@hostname: pwd
where pwd is the current working directory
sinful sun
Wish I was as big and strong as the gigachad spotting me
You'll get there one day king, keep grinding
dire sedge
probably although i didn't see any of them yesterday or today so they might be gone
so that can already be now
left citrus
what program should i use to start coding? i heard pycharm is a good one but im not sure if there are others
sinful sun
pycharm, vscode, IDLE, sublime, atom pick one, the choice here doesnt matter if youre starting out
left citrus
understood, ty for the list
sinful sun
as you learn more about python and software dev in general, the differences between the software will become more apparent and important
left citrus
i see, so once i start getting a grip on it i will start to see the differences in between them?
foggy flicker
i see, so once i start getting a grip on it i will start to see the differences ...
yes
versed wigeon
welcome to another episode of "learn new words by swiping your finger across your phone keyboard":
perjury
pejorative
fudged
cuddy
curried
sussing
logotype
sinful sun
.wa short cuddy
rustic harborBOT
sinful sun
TIL
echo fern
sussing 😔
sinful sun
.wa short sussing
rustic harborBOT
sinful sun
sus
brazen jacinth
.wa short ur mum
rustic harborBOT
lofty loom
.wa Stephen Wolfram
rustic harborBOT
civic plank
it takes time
Yes for sure
civic plank
You'll get there one day king, keep grinding
Thanks 😆😆
shadow elk
I'm trying to become more active on StackOverflow. Any tips on making answers (or questions) more concise and to the point?
They always end up very wordy, with lots of caveats and quirky lines of thought. I frantically edit them, sometimes rearranging sections and such.
I think that's a more general problem with writing for me.
sinful sun
looking back to a couple of my own answers, theyre all really short with mostly code
the couple sentences of text i have is to reference documentation or very briefly explain something
brazen jacinth
i just shared my music preferences with someone, oh no
dusky cliff
what's next, your reddit account?? are you planning to marry this person??
brazen jacinth
what's next, your reddit account?? are you planning to marry this person??
I dunno, they might know me more than my creator knows about me
but then again, they shared their music with me
dusky cliff
yeah i hear the wedding bells already
brazen jacinth
Can I be the best man
sure aboo
jovial island
When adding file extensions on wamp, it removes the .php and adds a trailing slash, annyway to fix this? i want there to be a slash but when that happens css doesnt load
its using .htaccess
is there any way to forward to the page without the slash but also have the slash?
so the css can load?
sturdy relic
im not sure what you are asking about
raven prawn
sterile pelican
@hasty mesa, you'd be surprised at how many people here have no idea how to open a terminal, even while working with python
there's a lot of beginners, who only really use IDEs to run their code for them, and just see the program output
hasty mesa
oh ok... is it worth it to show some of those folks how to open the terminal?
@raven prawnwhat kind of help would you like?
fluid plank
what's next, your reddit account?? are you planning to marry this person??
whos marrying who?
@dusky cliff why marry so early?
remote widget
Lmao
pliant trench
lol what's going on
brazen jacinth
whos marrying who?
i shared my music preferences with someone and they shared their with mine
btw this is a no-wildcard-imports zone
sinful sun
from package import * as wildcard
clever salmonBOT
brazen jacinth
!e
from os import * as w
print(w)
clever salmonBOT
@brazen jacinth :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | File "<string>", line 1
002 | from os import * as w
003 | ^^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax
okay doesn't work whew
slate leaf
!mute 801445182997790750
clever salmonBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @orchid harbor until <t:1653584229:f> (59 minutes and 59 seconds).
dire sedge
@sturdy relic continuing from here #python-discussion message
that sounds insanely hard and how would i prevent light from the edges to hit the sensor
sturdy relic
<@172395097705414656> continuing from here https://discord.com/channels/26762433...
it normally does not leak anything, but its much easier on a prime lense
but then again, thats why macro lenses are made, the glass is already oriented the other way in it
dire sedge
also i'm not really planning on making any macro images
i'm way more interested in landscapes and maybe some animals and some astro like just the milky way
sturdy relic
macro goes really well with programming, since the margins of errors are way out of bounds for normal human
I have a 11-40 for landscape
dire sedge
like that image i showed earlier it was quite hard the focus area was only a few mm
sturdy relic
but i really like my 200mm for it as long as i can frame something in it
sturdy relic
like that image i showed earlier it was quite hard the focus area was only a few...
yes, hence you need f18-f22
dire sedge
i'm also planning on getting a 55 to 200mm lens
sturdy relic
i'm also planning on getting a 55 to 200mm lens
that is a very good allaround lens. get the 2.8f one if you can afford it
i use tape on my zoom lens, so i dont use the zoom to much
dire sedge
actually i've already done 1 decent astro image here is that image #ot0-fear-of-python message (i don't want to resend it so i just send the link to where i did send it)
sturdy relic
its kinda a bad practice to rely on the zoom when you should just move the camera correctly into the frame
whats the duration of that imagE?
dire sedge
like 30 sec
sturdy relic
a manual tripod?
dire sedge
well a cardboard box
dire sedge
this was the un edited image
sturdy relic
but i sold my scope and gear because i did not use it that much
so much light pollution, a shame really
dire sedge
so much light pollution, a shame really
and clouds
sturdy relic
oh, yeah. that might be it as well..
i had a newton scope with a camera mount
a 1200mm one, so you got pretty close to things
dire sedge
but there is a lot of light pollution like currently i can see a bright orange glow out of my window because of light polution
sturdy relic
could take photos of nebulas and stuff
dire sedge
that sounds very nice and expensive
sturdy relic
well.. it is an expensive hobby, a hobby where gear matters
it was similar to this scope, this is probably just a newer model, i got mine 10 years ago or more
dire sedge
can that scope follow the stars?
sturdy relic
this one can, mine did not, but i bought a motor and then it could
this was mine, only in blue
dire sedge
well.. it is an expensive hobby, a hobby where gear matters
although i do think that i did quite well especially because i started last week
sturdy relic
although i do think that i did quite well especially because i started last week
i think you did very well 😄
dire sedge
thanks
dire sedge
this was mine, only in blue
that would probably be a nice color for a scope like that
sturdy relic
I think they just add a new colour and people like me buy it because its new and shiny 😄
dire sedge
well the marketing team does need to do something
sturdy relic
i really enjoy macro, but im terrible at it. i dont like portraits and for some reason i get great results almost every time
dire sedge
well it is probably just like any skill it will need practice
sturdy relic
for sure, my legos cant take photos of themself
dire sedge
also here are more of those baby spiders (the background might have been a bright green trashcan) that was at f16
dire sedge
for sure, my legos cant take photos of themself
maybe in the future
sturdy relic
you get alot closer with the mp-e 65mm
at these scales you cant change focus, because it will mess up the focal length and everything will break
you have to move the camera in increments of 0.05mm at the time
i have this
on a tripod
connected to a motor that steps in small increments and a controller that pushes the shutter
if someone moves around me at this scale the whole image shakes
sturdy relic
what the pros use is this, but i just cannot get that in the stores in Norway, at least not when i checked last
so i made my own with a microcontroller and python 😄
dire sedge
do you also use focus stacking at the end?
sturdy relic
yes
the result is great, but its so easy to mess up a thing in the chain, and you have to start over again
dire sedge
probably even harder with animals because they move
sturdy relic
probably even harder with animals because they move
well.. they are mostly dead
here is a pro doing this
sturdy relic
i dont like hurting insects, so i just take the photos i can
sturdy relic
that animal doesn't look dead
well.. im just assuming, but thats what i have been told..
also thats hearsay 😄
dire sedge
i'm pretty sure that you don't have to kill some insects to get them to sit still because i think that some can get back if they are frozen for a bit
dire sedge
was just about to say "although that would require more research before attempting"
dire sedge
how is the reflection and a small part of the leaf sharp
sturdy relic
sturdy relic
how is the reflection and a small part of the leaf sharp
large f stop or focus stacking
but this is probably something in the middle. like f10 or f12
and a precise focus
dire sedge
it must be both but in that case i'm very impressed at how it didn't move in the amount of time it took for the focus to be adjusted at that point you have to be sure that no one is walking and that there is no slightest amount of wind there
sturdy relic
the image is inside, look at the window reflection, those are drapes on the inside
dire sedge
i didn't even think about that
sturdy relic
let me finish by adding that im looking for a new lense, i just have not found the one i want
i want to get a 30-35mm prime lense, with something like 1.4 or 1.2, to use for street photography
and by finish i really mean, its midnight and im going to bed
dire sedge
that sounds quite expensive at least expensive to me
ik that it is almost midnight we are in the same timezone
sturdy relic
yes, i think they cost around 2k usd
its a bit on the pricy side for something i would not use that much
dire sedge
yes, i think they cost around 2k usd
that is like 6x the cost of my entire setup for photography
sturdy relic
yeah, and thats the price of just my macro lens, the 65mm one
dire sedge
but good night
sturdy relic
but that i have houndres of houndeds of hours with
well.. its all good 😄 keep up the good work, share your next image with me would you?
dire sedge
well.. its all good 😄 keep up the good work, share your next image with me woul...
sure if i remember
sturdy relic
have a nice one, and good night 😄
dire sedge
Macro photography is amazing.
and very hard
jovial island
What kind of photography are you folks doing?
Hoping to cop a camera some day and get into aviation, automotive and perhaps nature photography. I’ve got some photos taken with my phone but of course it’s not as good as a mirrorless or dslr
dire sedge
What kind of photography are you folks doing?
at the moment i've done astro (only the milky way), nature (if my cats are nature) and macro mostly some baby spiders
jovial island
Ohh I adore astrophotography. Got a portfolio?
(I consider animals part of nature personally)
dire sedge
well i started only a week ago
dire sedge
Or some images if you can share here
i did share them you can try the search function in discord on my name with has:image to find them (that is mostly so i don't have to resend them because i don't really want to resend my images
dire sedge
Fml that big spider, nope, noooope!
that was taken before i really started with photography
and i really started after i bought my camera
jovial island
I just can’t stand spiders, arachnophobia and all that
But keep at it btw, I liked what little I saw (til I hit the big spider)
dire sedge
i fully understand why although there are only a few that are actually dangerous
jovial island
Yeah it’s an irrational phobia but it’s there and I can’t control it haha
dire sedge
the only thing it seems like you missed then would be the setup i used for the astro image (here is the link #ot0-fear-of-python message so you don't have to go past the spider)
jovial island
Thanks. Nikons are great, which one is that?
dire sedge
d3400
jovial island
Nice nice. Photography is one of my passions and I’d say I’m quite good at it, but due to financial reasons at my disposal there’s only my phone
Might pick a camera like yours in a few months
dire sedge
this wasn't very expensive at least in my opinion like camera+lens+bag was only €260
i could probably resell it all with a small profit
jovial island
Not a bad haul at all!
dire sedge
i could have found cheaper options but then my parents would have spend about as much on gasoline as i did on the camera and i didn't want that at all
steel eagle
Pets are not nature photography
jovial island
Understandable. Still a bargain. Keep it up bud. Looking forward to seeing more of your work.
steel eagle
Wild animals are though
jovial island
Pic I took of a plane with my old phone.
steel eagle
Not bad
jovial island
Not bad
Yeah I was a passenger in a moving car so I had like 0.5s to take it
It was landing at Heathrow
I love flowers ☺️
edgy bane
Yeah I was a passenger in a moving car so I had like 0.5s to take it
hi @jovial island
jovial island
Hi
edgy bane
cool flowers
jovial island
Yeah they were pretty.
edgy bane
can i try to process your picture in my python app
jovial island
What does your app do?
edgy bane
it processes images and videos in to output that can be displayed in the terminal
like showing images on your terminal
jovial island
Oh that’s cool! Sure go for it. Show me the result
Hey that’s pretty cool! I saved it 😄
edgy bane
cool, thanks
jovial island
Keep it up.
At first I thought it’d try to output ascii but this is pretty awesome too
jovial island
I can imagine haha
edgy bane
I think there's lots of image to ascii tools on google
jovial island
Yeah I’ve used one in the past when making a wallpaper
hollow heart
Here’s one of my babies.
birb!
lofty loom
There's plenty of backend languages other than PHP
Any programming language can (hypothetically) be used in backends
Frontend though, the only mature language for that is JavaScript
And WebAssembly needs JavaScript anyways to call Web APIs
jovial island
I’m back
brazen jacinth
Any programming language can (hypothetically) be used in backends
yeah html works great as a backend
lofty loom
yeah html works great as a backend
Nah HTML isn't a programming language
But HTML and CSS however...
best programming language 11/10
brazen jacinth
Nah HTML isn't a programming language
*But HTML* ***and*** *CSS however...*
it was a joke
brazen jacinth
Nah you don't get it HTML is crap alone
well, you can use css in html tags with style=""
brazen jacinth
okay
brazen jacinth
im out
brazen jacinth
isn't brainfuck just assembly but with really bad syntax?
remote widget
isn't brainfuck just assembly but with really bad syntax?
Hence the name- "branfuck"
dire sedge
Pets are not nature photography
i have no idea in what other category it would fit
brazen jacinth
joe mama
jovial island
found some baby spiders
dam
steel eagle
i have no idea in what other category it would fit
... pet photography :p
brazen jacinth
i have no idea in what other category it would fit
hmm about yes
normal veldt
frog
mental idol
I was wrong @rare moat .. uses C
mental idol
Where shall we start?
rare moat
pink border? 
is that from your screenshot tool
mental idol
Yeah, my snagit does that for me.
rare moat
Snagit sounds familiar.
fluid plank
sudo zypper install joe
joe
versed wigeon
mods always competing for some reason
pseudo creek
so this channel was celebrating joe's mama or something like that, and now it's joe selfie pond. some shenanigans going on, methinks
smoky island
We have to investigate, I am also a witness
versed wigeon
so this channel was `celebrating joe's mama` or something like that, and now it'...
(@Shenanigans#9160)
versed wigeon
If we don't reach our help quota we get punished
that's a real thing??
lusty brook
no, but there is a contract when you become helper