Ye lol
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
jovial island
smh
Hunter from india too lol
fr?
WOAH
ig
Not sure
Where r u from ashley?
London
yes that
oH
foggy flicker
50% of the server iirc
jovial island
Ye lol
jovial island
50% of the server iirc
over the ocean, sheesh
1.5 Billion population is of India only.
Pengium from which state?
out of 7.7B
bro? Billion or Million?
Billion
.....
foggy flicker
50% of the server iirc
ah not fifty, i remember majority of the people are from the US and then it's India
jovial island
Ummm....
remote widget
38
jovial island
ah not fifty, i remember majority of the people are from the US and then it's In...
POV: You post random links in ot channels and grab random peoples' ip
Here
After the network going cheaper
jovial island
~~POV: You post random links in ot channels and grab random peoples' ip~~
Lmao
price*
rigid echo
What's your weight?
foggy flicker
such a nice message surely nothing could go wrong
jovial island
Didn't u already know that tho
idk, I thought you're from Canada, no shit
jovial island
..
rigid echo
Weight is always in newton
jovial island
idk, I thought you're from Canada, no shit
There'e many indians in canada too
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
rigid echo
How come kg is here.
jovial island
YESS PHYSICSSSS
jovial island
450 N
jovial island
There'e many indians in canada too
there are more than 700k in london too
rigid echo
π
jovial island
sister, indians are everywhere
Cant change that ig
rigid echo
Mass is equal all over the universe, whereas weight isn't
jovial island
Mass is equal all over the universe, whereas weight isn't
- one of the main reasons why I dropped physics
yes mass vary
rigid echo
yes mass vary
Breh no
jovial island
How tf do u think I know Hindi
Me?
rigid echo
Weight is the amount of gravitational force on us.
jovial island
Yo
remote widget
Pretty sure in up
Near it
remote widget
uh mp ? delhi?
Nope, I live in a small town. Delhi is like 2-3 hours away
jovial island
Nope, I live in a small town. Delhi is like 2-3 hours away
oh i live in jhansi
remote widget
Cool
obtuse vector
Nope, I live in a small town. Delhi is like 2-3 hours away
Ludhiana
My best guess
Fortnite kid (I also play it so no prob)
remote widget
Hey @spiral ember
spiral ember
Hey <@432643355634171905>
hello
spiral ember
what's up
remote widget
So I was making a website and planning to host it with aws and the API backend of the website uses asyncio (and fastapi) and tensorflow and nltk to process some ebooks. Do u happen to know what configuration I should go for?
spiral ember
"configuration"?
remote widget
Like what services should I opt for and how much memory and stuff like that (AWS beginner here idk much about it)
spiral ember
Ah. EC2 is very versatile and will work for all of your purposes
remote widget
Well I was messing around with the price calculator
spiral ember
Right
remote widget
For some reason this is my monthly cost which is a bit too much haha
This is the pricing model
spiral ember
How much is standard?
remote widget
remote widget
How much is standard?
525 per month
spiral ember
$?
remote widget
Ah okay
Eh, idrk, doesn't tensorflow require more RAM?
I mean a single processing took like 500 MB RAM or smth
spiral ember
AWS has their own set of machine learning services you might be able to try those out
remote widget
Oh, and those can be added to my VPS?
remote widget
Uh do u happen to have any docs link?
spiral ember
first look through all the machine learning services and find one that's the closest
if you can't find any just stick with what you have
remote widget
If I am using asyncio.loop.create_task for creating a tensorflow task, will it be CPU intensive or Memory intensive? If you have any idea (No GPU)
spiral ember
not sure. never done ML myself
remote widget
On demand is $2/month
spiral ember
different vcpus and memory
spiral ember
t4g.small
remote widget
remote widget
How much resource usage did u type in?
remote widget
better than $30/month
I agree
spiral ember
100
remote widget
its separate 10 bucks
remote widget
Eh, why is standard cheaper?
spiral ember
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
remote widget
I mean, isn't on demand like, as we need more, it will charge more
but standard like, you cannot use more than x RAM and x cores
spiral ember
it's easier for them to give you standard i'm guessing
remote widget
Prolly
spiral ember
harder to change stuff around so more expensive
remote widget
which one do u have?
spiral ember
std
remote widget
And do u have any API hosted on one of these?
spiral ember
on my ec2
remote widget
Yea
spiral ember
No problem. AWS is kind of not the best when it comes to being clear and showing you everything you need up front so it's always helpful to have someone else that knows about it
upbeat sandal
No problem. AWS is kind of not the best when it comes to being clear and showing...
more like AOS (Amazon Obfuscation Service) amirite?
mental idol
AWS alphabet soup. Sure you can use an EC2 to host the API but why not go with a R52 to an APIGW with a Lambda proxied to an SQS feeding your EKS cluster?
Toss in a few CW alarms with an SNS to your personal email and you'll have awareness of any issues too!
turbid thorn
are notion subpages similar to creating a notebook/folder
scarlet trellis
LMAO.
i just felt lonely and then write hello world and random nums.
By first try i send a friend request lmao
bitter kite
AWS alphabet soup. Sure you can use an EC2 to host the API but why not go with a...
so many fancy words β¨
mental idol
AWS is good for that. hundreds of services at this point.
bitter kite
π₯΄
spiral ember
AWS is good for that. hundreds of services at this point.
Finding the service that's EXACTLY what you were looking for is something else
mental idol
And then building it!
226 services listed.
My goto stack at work is usually API Gateway -> Lambda proxy -> EventBus -> Target (lambda/eks/ec2/etc)
bitter kite
I still canβt understand why major cloud services canβt add abstractions like heroku and railway
mental idol
Many of the services they offer are abstractions.
EventBus, for example, is a gateway + simple queue + lambda + simple notification service + a few other things.
bitter kite
Many of the services they offer are abstractions.
I mean, there are other services I can deploy something using a single cli command
mental idol
Oh sure, but the tradeoff to that level of abstraction is usually scalability.
bitter kite
yes, but there should be a simpler option π
mental idol
AWS cli gives you some pretty simple options. Add serverless or terraform infrastructure as code and you can even deploy multi-region enterprise level services with one command line. But, yes, it takes more work.
spiral ember
I still canβt understand why major cloud services canβt add abstractions like he...
Abstraction usually results in less functionality, and the type of people that use major cloud services (large companies, start ups, profesionals, not many hobbyists, people wanting to host discord bots for instance) so they need to have a lot of options and customizability
jovial island
yo
sudden swallow
hoary fjord
be honest
how does this image make you feel
@digital bane is this the secret to being in tech?
mental idol
Being honest? You're lying to more than yourself if techdebt waits 2 years.
hoary fjord
digital bane
<@923229808803065907> ~~is this the secret to being in tech?~~
Sadly yes
Drinks coffee
lofty loom
I'm just here sticking with Firebase
Since it's a part of the Google Cloud ecosystem
And also a battle tested service
jovial island
<@456226577798135808> what project u talking about?
sesquip to be specific
remote widget
The website just accepts an ebook and processes it, getting information of every word in the text, using tensorflow and nltk
Then it can show u multiple things, like what words are used in the text which are rarely used and it also gets the synonyms, antonyms and other sentences the word is used in
remote widget
sesquip to be specific
Ah yes haha
That's what am working on nowadays
jovial island
The website just accepts an ebook and processes it, getting information of every...
seems cool , thats what you were learning svelte for?
remote widget
Just gonna complete it this time
remote widget
seems cool , thats what you were learning svelte for?
Well, yea. But my friend has been forcing me to use React.js for the frontend haha, so I'm using it now
jovial island
imagine learning js π©
jovial island
imagine learning js π©
its good
remote widget
React is fun
remote widget
But while doing it, my friend started working on sesquid again, so here I'm completing the project once and for all
Gonna get the Oracle VPS today or tomorrow and host a test website on it
winter cove
meh i started with c++ a few days back
How are pointers and allocating to the heap
jovial island
How are pointers and allocating to the heap
well, i have no idea about that
im just done with datatypes, functions, classes/objects and operators for now
all i know about it is its used for memory allocation etc ( i may be wrong)
brazen jacinth
is it possible for an child to speak and understand binary from birth? if im not wrong, if we were to(def not gonna) raise a child with the only language that all humans surrounding it speak, being binary, would it learn binary fluently?
enough to put joe to shame kinda binary
and after that we can teach it assembly?
jovial island
yes it is possible
UHH UH IT IS NOT GILBURT
ok ok how do u know
allah allah he told me π
jovial island
?
winter cove
well, i have no idea about that
im just done with datatypes, functions, classes/...
yeah, learning about memory allocation is why people say C++ is hard
especially the whole pointer/reference mess because pointers make references redundant despite us still having references
normal quartz
is it possible for an child to speak and understand binary from birth? if im not...
binary is an form of representation, not a language
proven tendon
@jovial island why do you keep doing that markdown?
jovial island
<@456226577798135808> why do you keep doing that markdown?
its fun
jovial island
can two different operating systems works at the same time?
foggy flicker
can two different operating systems works at the same time?
what do you exactly mean by at the same time?
jovial island
of course VM
foggy flicker
if you mean having two OSes in one system
yes it's possible
I do dual boot arch and windows 10
jovial island
but they boot separated
foggy flicker
yes
jovial island
I thought that when the bot process took place it was as if there was a security measure that prevented another boot
Anyone know how to use Cipher.Mode = GCM in C#
spiral ember
can two different operating systems works at the same time?
Not bare metal, no
You can however run multiple type 2 hypervisors
jovial island
VTA 2?
lofty loom
You can however run multiple type 2 hypervisors
Question, is KVM type 1 or type 2
spiral ember
fervent storm
especially the whole pointer/reference mess because pointers make references red...
references are guaranteed non-null, pointers aren't
frigid pollen
@surreal trail π Congratulations. π
plush ridge
hi
limber elk
Hi
A question. How can I become motivated towards coding?
It's hard to start sometimes. Especially if you are full of problems around. It's hard to connect and flow with the learning process.
tranquil sleet
starting a car at first is always rocky, just do what you enjoy honestly - don't code for the sake of it
coding is more about problem solving than writing code
mental idol
Why do you want to learn to code?
limber elk
starting a car at first is always rocky, just do what you enjoy honestly - don't...
That's the problem. I guess I had to connect with something I'd enjoy building.
limber elk
Why do you want to learn to code?
Job. To be honest, I need a job as soon as possible. I guess this makes it worse, because I'm not enjoying the process of learning. I have to push myself to do it yes or yes.
mental idol
Job. To be honest, I need a job as soon as possible. I guess this makes it worse...
It's about what I expected, if that makes it better. You see the obstacle in front of you; you aren't enjoying learning something because the stress and pressure of requirements are in the way.
A tactic you could try is to write down the goal. Define it as clearly as possible. Not just "a job". What job, doing what, making what, and where. Then start brainstorming all the things that need to happen to get there. Could be submitting applications, reading certain books for specific skills, working on learning code an hour a day for N days, etc. Break stuff down as small as possible.
The goal here is to give yourself micro-tasks that are not only doable but something you can look at and immediately associate how it gets you to where you want to be.
That feels good. Feeling good about anything in a stressful situation is the first step to defeating the stress.
limber elk
It's about what I expected, if that makes it better. You see the obstacle in fr...
Wow, that's quite a good piece of advice. Thank you so much. It actually looks like the way a coder would solve the problem, haha. I'll do it.
mental idol
It's how I survived 2014. :) That and this:
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you were better than someone else. If you were more productive than someone else. Or even what someone else thinks of you. You are there, in your head, and the only thing that matters is if you can answer this question: Did you try your best?
wind sphinx
I just updated to python 310
rare moat
might have something to do with it. not sure.
wind sphinx
might have something to do with it. not sure.
pip is working with python 39
wind sphinx
yeah, probably an issue with Python 3.9 pip.
*3.10
round moss
try running py -m ensurepip, that can sometimes help if your install got corrupted
wind sphinx
try running `py -m ensurepip`, that can sometimes help if your install got corru...
its gives same error
classPath(PurePath):
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
wind sphinx
same
File "C:\Users\ojasv\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python310\lib\pathlib.py", line 943
classPath(PurePath):
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
round moss
somehow, your pathlib is corrupted
that's most unusual
try rerunning the install, there should be a repair option
wind sphinx
ohk
wind sphinx
try rerunning the install, there should be a repair option
lol after doing that also it gives same error
round moss
there is also the option of just adding the space back by hand
open C:\Users\ojasv\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python310\lib\pathlib.py in your preferred editor, go to line 943 and add a space between class and Path
wind sphinx
this?
wind sphinx
open `C:\Users\ojasv\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python310\lib\pathlib.py` in ...
ohk
where?
round moss
classPath -> class Path
wind sphinx
huh?
remote widget
a space between `s` and `P`
Eh, I am surprised that can also happen
round moss
yeah, idk how that ended up happening. Probably a misclick at some point
willow plinth
sometimes stuff like that happens to me too
dull ridge
It's how I survived 2014. :) That and this:
At the end of the day it doesn't m...
looks like my dad's advice, "try your best, and you are your best"
love my dad, as much as i hate him sometimes
he's the only one i know who doesn't give a rats ass about what grades i get as long as i'm happy with them, which has motivated me more
so much so that i've started to get pretty good grades now β¨
mental idol
Sounds like good advice for sure.
dull ridge
indeed it is
remote widget
he's the only one i know who doesn't give a rats ass about what grades i get as ...
Lucky
tawdry fog
@jovial island It's hard to explain without context but this is the best I could do
def lol(a):
if len(a) == 0:
return[[]]
# if list a is empty return a list with a empty list in it (Needed for so the last 2 lines (not including the
# return) so it doesn't run forever)
l = [] # initialize empty list
for i in range(0, len(a)): # For every number between 0 and the length of the list a
b = a[i] # B equals the the value of a[(index of the current niteration)
# From now on, if where there's an "i" in the index of a list that's for the current iteration
c = a[:i] + a[i+1:] # c is (from the first index of "a" to i)) + (a from i + 1 to the rest of a)
for j in lol(c): # Repeat everything prior
l.append([b]+j) # Add ["b"] and j, with j the index of the nth list lol(c) returns
return c # return final value
print(lol('1234'))
thx
jovial island
yo
jovial island
hola sparky, also my choice of songs is weird-
no problem
jovial island
nice 100+ songs :D
there are 289 in that one
jovial island
there are 289 in that one
cool
jovial island
<https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7FHLTCipggp2aOazEHRFpW?si=9864253b2c144e0f> a...
are songs repeated?
jovial island
are songs repeated?
none
all are different
wow nice
thanks :D
pleasure is mine
nice all coding
willow plinth
π π
heavy storm
The only things you have in a SQL database are tables, right?
pastel shore
nice all coding
Yessir
mental idol
The only things you have in a SQL database are tables, right?
Well, you have data too. π
heavy storm
Well, you have data too. π
Yeah, but in the tables, like a database has tables and tables has data, am I right?
remote widget
Yeah, but in the tables, like a database has tables and tables has data, am I ri...
Tables have rows and columns and tows and columns constitute cells, which in turn, have data
heavy storm
Ok I got it
sinful sun
you cant have data outside tables tho can you?
tables are the most fundamental unit in relational dbs
jovial island
my 1 friend deleted his account :(
misty basalt
my 1 friend deleted his account :(
Sadge
I got an idea... a guide to git... called: "Git gud scrub"
jovial island
What error now?
sour echo
Consciousness is a very complex thing
It exists yet doesnt exist
Cant be proven yet
Cant be not proven
jovial island
Hmm
jovial island
Yes.
sour echo
The only way for us to exist is by being created
Its the only scientific way yet its impossible
Yet its the only possible way
jovial island
Do you think we were created
$ sudo create Human
You heard about big bang?
jovial island
Do u believe that we are in a simulation?
At first, the universe was a single singularity. But one day the singularity imploded and everything was created.
sour echo
Well
I believe in the big bang theory
But i dont believe it started from nothing
Must have a greater reason
The big bang happened
Cause scientifically impossible
For that to happen out of nowhere
The universe cant exist by itself
jovial island
I have a theory that tells us why there was 1 singularity.
sour echo
And if it was that great then its basically the creator
jovial island
And if it was that great then its basically the creator
I think there was another universe in which all the black holes and stuff ate the whole universe and then started becoming smaller and smaller, it became so small that it got destroyed by the singularity in it. Then the singularity stayed there until it imploded.
Shrey's theory of universe.
sour echo
Ayo where did that universe come from tho
jovial island
From universe before.
@sour echo
I think now my theory should be official.
If there are no more questions.
sour echo
Explain
jovial island
Explain what?
jovial island
Where did the older universe come from?
From the one before it.
sour echo
Not really
sour echo
Lol
jovial island
@sour echo the first one came from god.
sour echo
Well
For us to exist
There must be a start
A line needs a starting point
Cant have a line without a starting point
Imo its beyond our mind capabilities
Cause like
jovial island
A line needs a starting point
A line don't have starting point, ray*
versed wigeon
a line is infinite in both directions
versed wigeon
so a timeline is actually a timeray π€
jovial island
Hmm
sour echo
Yes
jovial island
This is very deep.
sour echo
Yep
So there must be a starting point
Which is impossible yet the only possible way
So it means we cant understand it yet
versed wigeon
so we don't know the part of the line before the big bang
sour echo
Maybe in the future we will
sour echo
so we don't know the part of the line before the big bang
Exactly
We only know the mechanism not the cause
Its really mysterious tbh
versed wigeon
so we don't know the part of the line before the big bang
is there even "before" on a line?
jovial island
so we don't know the part of the line before the big bang
We don't know what caused the very first big bang to happen.
misty basalt
I think there was another universe in which all the black holes and stuff ate th...
So... how a black hole became a white hole?
sour echo
We gotta exist for a reason prob
versed wigeon
we were just here
jovial island
Maybe, it never started...
jovial island
So... how a black hole became a white hole?
Noone uses white mode bruh
misty basalt
We don't know what caused the very first big bang to happen.
Because that's not what the big bang theory is there to explain. Both that and the steady-state theory are only there to explain what happened, not why or how it happened...
versed wigeon
if a line is infinite in both directions then we're technically living 0% of total time
sour echo
Saying it may have not started is like saying ima let u in without opening the door
misty basalt
Saying it may have not started is like saying ima let u in without opening the d...
... knock a hole in the wall?
jovial island
if a line is infinite in both directions then we're technically living 0% of tot...
Yes, that's exactly what it is.
sour echo
... knock a hole in the wall?
Lmao
misty basalt
if a line is infinite in both directions then we're technically living 0% of tot...
Thank calculus for limits..
sour echo
An infinite line is impossible tho
misty basalt
as life approaches infinity from the positive side, ...
sour echo
Well
versed wigeon
wait
are we going forwards or backwards?
misty basalt
Forwards...
sour echo
If we say the universe came from itself then its basically considered god
jovial island
To get that, we first need to know what cause time and from where time started going.
sour echo
If the universe found itself from nothinf and was always there
Then this is the defintion of god ig
versed wigeon
we say "forwards", but that's relative to how we view it
jovial island
To get that, we first need to know what cause time and from where time started g...
.
sour echo
Time is an illusion that helps things make sense
misty basalt
The sad part is that we can never have a complete understanding of the universe since we're limited to our super-cluster of galaxies (our observable universe), a tiny, tiny portion of the giant universe
sour echo
Time isnt proveable
echo fern
i wake up and ot2 is already tripping balls
sour echo
Lmao
misty basalt
XD
jovial island
Time isnt proveable
But if the universe is having changes then time is ticking.
So this means time started universe.
misty basalt
But if the universe is having changes then time is ticking.
Time... or entropy?
sour echo
But if the universe is having changes then time is ticking.
Time is ticking?
We only observe changes
Not time passing by
jovial island
But time passes all the time.
sour echo
We link changes in objects to an imaginary thing
sour echo
But time passes all the time.
Depends on what u define as "time"
misty basalt
Time is ticking?
Yes, at 9,192,631,770 spins of a Cesium isotope (1 second)
versed wigeon
Time is an illusion that helps things make sense
but yet, a second is defined physically (see above message)
jovial island
Depends on what u define as "time"
That's very hard to define.
willow plinth
Time is an illusion that helps things make sense
time is money π
sour echo
Lmao
jovial island
"The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole."
misty basalt
Depends on what u define as "time"
It is a dimension. No more, no less
Like x, y, z
the fourth dimension is time
versed wigeon
is it the 4th?
misty basalt
That's why we have space-time
misty basalt
is it the 4th?
Yes
sour echo
It is a dimension. No more, no less
Prove it
versed wigeon
or are there more before or after time?
misty basalt
We are living in a 4D universe
jovial island
No, time is not 4th dimension
misty basalt
Lmao I was joking
sour echo
Ok so
misty basalt
sour echo
Consciousness is weird
willow plinth
No, time is not 4th dimension
misty basalt
What makes us live inside of us
Because you are limited by your senses?
versed wigeon
ok now let's skip ahead a little farther
what is time in a black hole?
misty basalt
Living outside your body or vicariously through something/someone requires a full simulation of the events that transpire around that entity
versed wigeon
Ayo not Vsauce
vsauce could definitely make this conversation into a video about time
sour echo
Because you are limited by your senses?
No what makes me see out of my eyes when the brain processes data and acts by them? Meaning that we shouldnt see but only know where things are. What differentiates me and a macine learning model?
What makes u feel
Not talking about the nervous system
misty basalt
No what makes me see out of my eyes when the brain processes data and acts by th...
Well, responses have been "programmed" into your gene code through pure (weighted) randomness...
versed wigeon
we went from talking about the start of everything to time to life to randomness
sour echo
Why do we even exist
jovial island
Is there anything else except of length, breadth or height?
misty basalt
we went from talking about the start of everything to time to life to randomness
No import random, instead import secrets
sour echo
Why couldnt our bodies work by themselves?
versed wigeon
Why do we even exist
will 42 help us solve the problem?
sour echo
And what makes me inside me and not u lol
echo fern
there's no "ordering" of dimensions
sour echo
?
misty basalt
And what makes me inside me and not u lol
What if I don't want you inside me... π
echo fern
there's a signature, though, and for our universe it's +2 - we have 3 dimensions of one kind (which we call "spacelike") and one of a different kind ("timelike"). No matter what reference frame you're in, that signature is invariant.
jovial island
Maybe this don't exist, we don't exist, nothing exists...
willow plinth
copilot disagrees
jovial island
I also.
sour echo
copilot disagrees
Stop flexing 
versed wigeon
copilot disagrees
definitely is a dimension though (copilot answers yes)
willow plinth
what that?
jovial island
sour echo
Lemosaurus
jovial island
definitely is a dimension though (copilot answers yes)
Yes, I wanted to explain that but its very hard for me without visual representation and only text.
Time is not related to dimensions.
jovial island
Ask, is copiolet stupid.
willow plinth
jovial island
Then we are not listening to him.
willow plinth
versed wigeon
what
willow plinth
lemme just log out of github..
jovial island
Maybe this is too deep for us to understand...
No... is yes.
And yes.... is yes.
Then what means no?
lofty loom
Vsauce music plays
jovial island
LMFAOOO
willow plinth
if im logged onto github but have the gituhb auto-comp disabled, does it still read my files?
misty basalt
Lmao I'mma absolutely s*** on your logic: 42
willow plinth
copilot just brought us back to the topic of time
lol
versed wigeon
copilot just brought us back to the topic of time
actually maybe copilot disagrees with that stackoverflow question but why specifically about time
versed wigeon
actually maybe copilot disagrees with that stackoverflow question but why specif...
what
3.5k upvotes for that?
willow plinth
thats why i have it disabled
daring jay
Yes, I wanted to explain that but its very hard for me without visual representa...
Many say that time is the fourth dimension
jovial island
Many say that time is the fourth dimension
I don't think so
@daring jay
Imagine if you are 2nd dimension, there is no height just length and breadth. If we combine 2ds it would become a 3D as height will become a thing. So, as a 2d if a 3D comes in your area you can only see 1 part of it at a time, because he have height and you do not.
So time shouldn't be 4D it should just be another unit like length breadth and height made from combined 3d.
@versed wigeon @sour echo
willow plinth
when u are in 2d, even 3d seems 2d to you. Similarly maybe we can't see 4d but it might be there.
jovial island
when u are in 2d, even 3d seems 2d to you. Similarly maybe we can't see 4d but i...
We can see 4d in 3d state.
Then why is there not anything that is 4d but we see in 3d
echo fern
I don't think so
mfs casually rejecting special and general relativity
jovial island
mfs casually rejecting special and general relativity
mfs don't listening to smart people
versed wigeon
mfs don't listening to smart people
mfs like the flat earthers
cedar marsh
Lol
cedar marsh
runic saffron
Hello
jovial island
runic saffron
Here we have come to invade the channel
jovial island
so, for the docs
using sphinx would be literally easier than writing a markdown or something if you documented your methods and classes..
runic saffron
So don't use docs strings?
jovial island
just use the autodoc ext that uses dock strings
that sounds like an extension
vsc
πΏ
jovial island
So don't use docs strings?
im saying if you used doc strings and use sphinx you wont have to code the docs manually
π
runic saffron
just use the autodoc ext that uses dock strings
Why have you only said this now
jovial island
because akeno uses it?
jovial island
just use the autodoc ext that uses dock strings
^^^
runic saffron
π
runic saffron
im saying if you used doc strings and use sphinx you wont have to code the docs ...
Okay
jovial island
lol
runic saffron
Since i haven't finished all of the methods
I actually thought i did
That was before i talked to sarth
jovial island
literally just rst .. autoclass:: YourClass :members:
runic saffron
And he talked me into more work
jovial island
And he talked me into more work
a cache is not a big deal uk
jovial island
literally just ```rst
.. autoclass:: YourClass
:members:```
or the module if you dont have privates
π³
runic saffron
a cache is not a big deal uk
I have to debug it and make sure it's efficient
And somehow not break anything in the code
And add more code to every method
Since it's a cache
jovial island
for me all i had to change is
- adding a class with some dictionaries for storing data
- adding the data in the dictionary per API call
this was for the Client.get_pokemon calls
jovial island
Hi
willow plinth
jovial island
No
jovial island
anyone knows flutter
i know a thing or two about flutter, but just ask the question, no-one here bites
jovial island
idk how to fix these errors
you need to give it initial value
or you can mark it as nullable
via question mark
if you don't supply any value, it's going to default to null, but because you have String type, you can't assign null to it, it has to have String instance in it, OR you change type signature to String?
blissful pine
or you can mark it as nullable
how do i do that
median blade
how do i do that
the String from, String to can be prefixed with late if you want to assign values to them later on
median blade
change String to var
blissful pine
Will try that thank you!
willow plinth
oh im the right server.
shut marsh
hi
jovial island
Hi
shut marsh
hi
jovial island
Elonmusk bought twitter
shut marsh
huh
proven tendon
that's awesome
shut marsh
...
runic saffron
Elonmusk bought twitter
okay
shut marsh
runic saffron
what is he going to do with it
shut marsh
what is ot2?
jovial island
what is he going to do with it
Make it better
runic saffron
what is ot2?
ot2
daring jay
what is ot2?
this channel, off topic 2
jovial island
Hi
wheat rock
otn n+1 th channel
normal quartz
Elonmusk bought twitter
*bought
willow plinth
i always thought it was @clever salmon π
vague shadow
we use disco hook for most of those things
brazen jacinth
we use disco hook for most of those things
:sadge:
vague shadow
since we just export it as a json, so if we need to change it we don't need to rewrite everything
brazen jacinth
since we just export it as a json, so if we need to change it we don't need to r...
but does @clever salmon have an option to create embeds if you send a .json file?
like a !embed <json_file> command?
clever salmonBOT
Command Help
vague shadow
it's just raw
brazen jacinth
huh
vague shadow
and ofc, these messages aren't in embeds
brazen jacinth
kek
vague shadow
#βο½how-to-get-help is a plain message, so to get links in there you need to use a webhook
hyperlinks specifically that is
willow plinth
ayo clion docs are next level
tawdry fog
ayo clion docs are next level
Nah thats gotta be fake, we all know all docs need to be as uneasy on the eyes as possible!
willow plinth
Nah thats gotta be fake, we all know all docs need to be as uneasy on the eyes a...
it has that feature too
tawdry fog
it has that feature too
ah
round moss
huh, did jetbrains just reimplement a html renderer
or did they use the one swing ships with
willow plinth
round moss
yeah, having first party doxygen is kind of expected of a C/C++ IDE
wary thorn
Anyone know what setting in OBS will remove the yellow outline around my screen?
sour echo
lmao
digital bane
Lmao i think im in my third cup already today
hoary fjord
haha i had two during the day today
maybe more tomorrow
presenting to some execs tomorrow
plus ceo
im just an intern so it doesnt matter lel
as in, no one expects anything
wheat rock
epitome of entropy
digital bane
maybe more tomorrow
Good luck nonetheless lmao
jovial island
imagine setting replication level on production database to 1
willow plinth
π
real forum
I love how it's normalized to talk about a literal drug addiction
Caffeine is a drug. The public eye doesn't really see it as one, but it is just as addictive and probably harmful in the long term
slate leaf
I think Sugar is the one that should have more awareness
real forum
If we scroll up in this channel alone, it's always the same people talking about drinking 3 or 4 cups a day... like... that's not healthy
slate leaf
Mostβ’οΈ people will agree that caffeine is an addictive chemical
echo fern
I love how it's normalized to talk about a literal drug addiction
I agree with the general statement, but I'd mostly apply it to nicotine and alcohol than caffeine
real forum
Mostβ’οΈ people will agree that caffeine is an addictive chemical
Iirc FDA classifies it as a drug
Or some type of agency like that
slate leaf
Makes sense
It was banned from the olympics in the early 1900s for being a performance enhancing drug
real forum
I agree with the general statement, but I'd mostly apply it to nicotine and alco...
Those are obviously "worse" but this is what I mean; it's normalized to talk about it like it's not a problem
It's basically as bad as drinking multiple red bulls or other energy drinks in one day, minus some sugar
slate leaf
Depends on the overall caffeine content right?
echo fern
I guess I see what you mean. It's just that I've always been more weirded out by alcohol, because it's also normalized to talk about - yet it's way more harmful, whereas caffeine is like one of the best (in harm per effect) stimulants known to humanity.
real forum
Depends on the overall caffeine content right?
Not really... if you're drinking 3, 4, 5 cups per day that's seriously not good for you
real forum
I guess I see what you mean. It's just that I've always been more weirded out by...
Yeah, I agree. I think it's a problem with regulation though. People my age go to parties, get flat out drunk, and are proud of it (at ~16)
slate leaf
And the not good for you part is dependent on the caffeine content, right?
real forum
And the not good for you part is dependent on the caffeine content, right?
Yes, and additives. But either way, even decaf in those amounts is a lot of caffeine
Decaf doesn't mean caffeine free, it means less caffeine
median blade
Yeah, I agree. I think it's a problem with regulation though. People my age go t...
yuh same but 18
slate leaf
According to the FDA, 400 mg of caffeine a day is the limit before you enter into negative effects
echo fern
it's weird as fuck that USA has a separate drinking age from age of majority, and it's higher.
real forum
Yet you can do weed and stuff at 18 lol
lofty loom
spilling beans
Of course they had to do that
slate leaf
As far as I know, the states that have legalized marijuana also impose an age limit equal to the drinking age (21)
real forum
I'm not even in the US, but I am towards the higher end of the income bracket so it's probably also a problem when people are as rich as most at my school
echo fern
you can vote or get yourself killed in Afghanistan or something at 18, too
real forum
As far as I know, the states that have legalized marijuana also impose an age li...
I know they did that in Virginia, but I didn't see anything in any other stats
^^ not saying you're wrong
I just know there was a Virginia only law about that really recently
slate leaf
At 18 you become a legal adult and can vote, make legal decisions for yourself, join the armed forces, purchase lottery tickets and in most states can purchase tobacco products. At 21, you are able to purchase alcohol and marijuana
slate leaf
According to this, Virginia is 21 as well https://www.cannabis.virginia.gov/
But to circle back a little bit, the FDA cites 400mg as being the highest "safe" daily intake of caffeine
slate leaf
An 8oz brewed cup of coffee has on average 95mg
slate leaf
From this one article: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-much-caffeine-in-coffee
real forum
Yeah I can guarantee 3-5 cups a day is not healthy
Yet it's literally all people in this specific OT channel talk about
slate leaf
I probably have 3 cups a day: 1 big pour over in the morning that is probably 2 servings, and then sometimes one later in the day around lunch time
median blade
i just drink water
real forum
Tbh I'll drink like 2 coffees in the morning and then sometimes when I go out get another one with friends, but I still know it's not great for me
+, that's only really on weekends
echo fern
I guess I see what you mean. It's just that I've always been more weirded out by...
I guess another point to make here is that I get why people smoke and drink coffee, but don't get why people drink. Nicotine and caffeine are both fairly nice stimulants, and nicotine improves concentration. That's all very tempting. But alcohol just, like, fucks you up and makes you think worse?? I don't really understand why people drink recreationally at all, much less why there's a culture about that.
slate leaf
I think the kicker is if you are drinking enough to notice a change in sleep patterns / heavy withdrawals / heart rate
slate leaf
I guess another point to make here is that I get why people smoke and drink coff...
I think the difference is binge drinking vs social drinking
slate leaf
I like alcohol, and if "drinking" I usually have 3ish drinks in an evening
slate leaf
But I am also content with having a (singular) beer after a long day at work
real forum
Cultural drinking is not the same as drinking because you can
hollow heart
also a huge vice for many modern cultures
foggy flicker
I've never had alcohol but it seems to be a cool drink
slate leaf
In college though, binge drinking is common, and usually comes at a time in people's life where they have more freedom in their personal choices than before, and due to peer pressure / social settings drink more than they should without realizing it
real forum
Ohh yeah for sure
There is a massive peer pressure issue with drinking, but another think is people don't realize what they're doing, and they don't have a limit
real forum
Smh my phone always autocorrects "what" to "eBay", sorry
slate leaf
Talking about common drugs like caffeine, alcohol and even Sugar / Nicotine
slate leaf
Talking about common drugs like caffeine, alcohol and even Sugar / Nicotine
And having a conversation around them
real forum
My school is k-12, and a fucking 6th grader and a 5th grader got caught vaping together
I don't even know how 10 year olds or however old they are get access to that
slate leaf
Yeah vaping is all around a bad thing. I get that at first it was the "safer" alternative to smoking tobacco, but now it is something else entirely
real forum
Yep
prisma cedar
Dude vaping sucks
real forum
Now people start with vaping
prisma cedar
Do marijuana instead
real forum
And it's literally so gross
real forum
Do marijuana instead
...
Ok anyways
Vaping is also a problem bc it's hard to smell on people
slate leaf
Well, to those people that have a nicotine habit, that is a benefit to them
real forum
Well yes
slate leaf
Instead of smelling like cigarettes, they can smell like cotton candy
real forum
Mmhm
Vaping was made as an alternative to smoking, there should have never been flavors added
slate leaf
iirc the early vaping products were marketed to older people and had more "savory" flavors
But then someone was like, "We can make this taste like green apple, and market it to 18-21 year olds"
real forum
But then someone was like, "We can make this taste like green apple, and market ...
Oil company type asshole right there
That person should be jailed for life for the countless lives vaping has taken
slate leaf
Salary / bonus tied to increasing company profit type of person more likely. Add in lobbying to loosen regulations on what can be marketed and bingo, you have a disaster product
real forum
Mmhm
Fun fact: shell is the reason that so Somalian pirates are so prominent
Just another case of a massive industry causing global problems
slate leaf
Its a complex world for sure
runic saffron
i hate chemistry
I don't have any opinion about science shit
jovial island
i hate chemistry
what even is there in chemistry, its too easy, plus I dont study it since I dropped it two years ago :doge:
runic saffron
Mostly because i never got to do them irl
jovial island
lmao
jovial island
what even is there in chemistry, its too easy, plus I dont study it since I drop...
oh
runic saffron
Like i wanted to experiment with chemistry so i can make grenades
jovial island
chemistry is for nerds
slate leaf
Chemistry is pretty dang cool
runic saffron
Chemistry is for maniacs
slate leaf
Thermochemistry is where it is at
But the rote memorization of organic chem is pure pain
willow plinth
u gotta cram alot of stuff in chem, i just can't do it
jovial island
guess the name of the 1st chapter in phys (9th)
runic saffron
Stabbing a frog seems cool
runic saffron
guess the name of the 1st chapter in phys (9th)
Introduction
willow plinth
guess the name of the 1st chapter in phys (9th)
newton laws
jovial island
But the rote memorization of organic chem is pure pain
easier if you know how to learn then
nope
willow plinth
huh?
runic saffron
guess the name of the 1st chapter in phys (9th)
Physics
willow plinth
then?
jovial island
guess the name of the 1st chapter in phys (9th)
Gravitation or motion cz motion's the easiest
willow plinth
why slow mode in ot π
runic saffron
Yeah
jovial island
Gravitation or motion cz motion's the easiest
Motion
runic saffron
Also wondering
slate leaf
easier if you know how to learn then
Sure, but there is no way around the memorization of the different organic compounds
runic saffron
Why ctypes so hard
jovial island
my fav subject is comp i always top there :D
jovial island
Sure, but there is no way around the memorization of the different organic compo...
lmao
jovial island
bruh newton laws come under motion π
uh
jovial island
my fav subject is comp i always top there :D
me who gets C grades
hoary fjord
Good luck nonetheless lmao
thanks
runic saffron
*me who gets C grades*
I don't even know my grades
jovial island
lol
willow plinth
Why ctypes so hard
because u dont know c π€·ββοΈ , i mean just learn a little bit about the syntax or something, u will start to get the feel of ctypes
runic saffron
I never once seen my grades in this school
jovial island
there was a chemistry test today in my school and i got 9/10
willow plinth
sick
slate leaf
nice
runic saffron
there was a chemistry test today in my school and i got 9/10
I think i did good on my science tests
jovial island
my whole class got 9 and 10 π€£
runic saffron
I'm usually never that far from being perfect on the score
jovial island
guess what were the questions lmao
willow plinth
aha, found the option
jovial island
aha, found the option
wo cool
willow plinth
π time to find my alt
jovial island
π time to find my alt
lmao i have 6
jovial island
Motion is easy though, and I LOVE physics
nice
jovial island
Motion is easy though, and I LOVE physics
motion is easy agreed
jovial island
lmao i have 6
God does give worthy lives only to a few
jovial island
motion is easy agreed
fails to solve one numerical problem
echo fern
"physics is fun" <-- a naive and younger me before several semesters of analytical mechanics
jovial island
lmao
jovial island
"physics is fun" <-- a naive and younger me before several semesters of analytic...
fun
dusky cliff
what does the wiser and older you say
willow plinth
same, although i didnt have a choice, i had to take phy π€·ββοΈ
runic saffron
because u dont know c π€·ββοΈ , i mean just learn a little bit about the syntax or...
I just want to understand how does adding 24 just skip shit
echo fern
what does the wiser and older you say
still don't know shit about analytical mechanics despite passing it. that's just how shitty courses are
jovial island
history is easy
dusky cliff
f
echo fern
but physics is fun, I guess. I'd probably enjoy it more if I were smarter, though.
willow plinth
I just want to understand how does adding 24 just skip shit
ya idk that yet either ask hsp
dusky cliff
I just want to understand how does adding 24 just skip shit
pointer arithmetic
runic saffron
Must succeed
jovial island
history is easy
Russian revolution was interesting
jovial island
Should i just give up on esoteric python
leave
slate leaf
Physics is pretty great. Although I am fairly biased
jovial island
Russian revolution was interesting
french*
jovial island
Russian revolution was interesting
ye its my 1st chap
runic saffron
pointer arithmetic
Elaborate or explain to it to me like i'm a 6 year old
willow plinth
Elaborate or explain to it to me like i'm a 6 year old
what if u are 6 years old π
jovial island
ye its my 1st chap
hm ic cool
jovial island
different?
russian and french are different
jovial island
russian and french are different
ohh
echo fern
probably cuz an int of python is like 24 bits or something?
seems about right, though I don't really get the context. in a list, pointers to elements are the width of a pointer apart - so 8 bytes on a 64-bit system.
runic saffron
what if u are 6 years old π
I'd be proud of myself for learning python at 6 years old
echo fern
Elaborate or explain to it to me like i'm a 6 year old
according to that one study I've read, 6 years old is too young to learn C, only visual languages.
runic saffron
according to that one study I've read, 6 years old is too young to learn C, only...
How about python
echo fern
only visual languages
willow plinth
seems about right, though I don't really get the context. in a list, pointers to...
ah for context #esoteric-python message
runic saffron
Physics
willow plinth
forgor name......scratch yeah
runic saffron
Toys
jovial island
that lang where u move blocks
uh
runic saffron
forgor name......scratch yeah
Oh yeah that thing that feels like it was made for 6 years old
willow plinth
echo fern
ah for context https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/47088458368496435...
ah, that one works because small int caching in CPython works by having an array (not list) of int objects. 24 bytes must be the offset between the beginning of the int object and the place in it where the array of "digits" is stored.
runic saffron
I never learned what an array is
echo fern
What counts as visual languages
visual basic, say
willow plinth
ah, that one works because small int caching in CPython works by having an array...
ah interesting
willow plinth
I never learned what an array is
array is like a list of fixed length and data type
runic saffron
Like hashmaps being dicts
runic saffron
array is like a list of fixed length and data type
Tuples?
jovial island
@runic saffron from where did u learned esoteric python from?
runic saffron
<@381799048228896788> from where did u learned esoteric python from?
Ryuga
willow plinth
Tuples?
no like int arr[5] means that u make an array of ints and length is supposed to be 5, no more no less
well i think u can have less then 5 elements
runic saffron
no like `int arr[5]` means that u make an array of ints and length is supposed t...
I tried to actually learn c before
willow plinth
u are basically allotting 5 spaces in memory to store ints
runic saffron
But i said fucked that when it looked confusing
jovial island
Ryuga is god of esoteric python
echo fern
I never learned what an array is
it's the simplest data structure imaginable. You have a bunch of data, of equal size - let's say it's just bytes. You want to store them all. You allocate some memory and write them all there one after the other.
That's it. Now how do you access the ith byte? You take the pointer to the beginning of the allocation, increment it by i-1, and read the byte at that address.
What if the elements are wider than one byte - say, 8-byte doubles? Then it's the same, except the ith double starts at address start_ptr * (i-1)*8 (and you read 8 bytes at that address and interpret them as a double).
willow plinth
Ryuga is god of esoteric python
nah i am not
jovial island
nah i am not
u are
willow plinth
does c have vectors or is it a cpp thing?
echo fern
it's the simplest data structure imaginable. You have a bunch of data, *of equal...
Notice how it's necessary that an array is homogenous. If it's not, how do you know where the ith element starts?
jovial island
I never learned what an array is
i didnt learned how to convert code to single line
digital bane
thanks <:kekHands:948697940711587900>
Drinking coffee again lmao
echo fern
does `c` have vectors or is it a cpp thing?
C basically doesn't have anything, no. Want a vector, write your own.
willow plinth
ah damn, list implementation must be painful then
runic saffron
C basically doesn't have anything, no. Want a vector, write your own.
Also one of the reason i didn't do c
echo fern
ah damn, list implementation must be painful then
a list is just a vector of pointers to pyobjects, yeah.
runic saffron
I heard it didn't even have classes
runic saffron
I didn't even know what classes are at that time
willow plinth
c dont got classes
echo fern
a list is just a vector of pointers to pyobjects, yeah.
the types are stored in the objects themselves. Each python object starts with a pointer to the type of that object. So to read an element from a list, you:
- get that element of the array. That's a pointer to the object.
- Read the PyObject header at that address. It stores the object's type and, for dynamic-size python objects like ints or strings, the size.
- Knowing the type, read the rest of the object.
runic saffron
But since c++ is the successor of c and c++ has classes
I just thought "nah not this one"
willow plinth
i have been stuck on this seg fault for like 3 hours now π
runic saffron
Seggs
jovial island
hi
willow plinth
runic saffron
https://tenor.com/view/quby-chan-gif-22672316
runic saffron
it's the simplest data structure imaginable. You have a bunch of data, *of equal...
Are arrays in python
jovial island
willow plinth
the types are stored in the objects themselves. Each python object starts with a...
oh damn thanks really cool
runic saffron
I'm guessing no
willow plinth
Are arrays in python
!d array.array
clever salmonBOT
willow plinth
this is prolly the closest thing to it
runic saffron
Wtf
echo fern
also numpy, my beloved
willow plinth
and numpy yes
runic saffron
Oh yeah numpy
jovial island
numpy
runic saffron
What does numpy arrays do
jovial island
numpyy
runic saffron
I don't do alot of math with python
echo fern
numpy is so good that C# people, instead of having their own library like that, use C# bindings for numpy π₯΄
willow plinth
i dont even know at this point. im making a recursive function to calc det to matrix and it just doesn't wanna work
echo fern
maybe your stack overflows or something?
echo fern
What does numpy arrays do
well, they are multidimensional arrays you can do vectorized operations on.
runic saffron
How do people know that adding 8 to the address to a bool skips the not needed members
dusky cliff
by reading the C source
echo fern
by looking at the CPython source.
runic saffron
I just don't wanna memorize that this does this without understanding what it does
echo fern
the struct definitions are there.
runic saffron
by reading the C source
Dear fucking god
elfin vine
Objection! Hearsay
willow plinth
maybe your stack overflows or something?
https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/egorarowum.cpp
idk, im testing it over a 3x3
echo fern
hmm, can't find the corresponding header file
runic saffron
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Objects/longobject.c say
Hmm nice i don't understand shit
runic saffron
Objection! Hearsay
I just watched the johnny depp video about the multiple hearsay
Funny
willow plinth
https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/egorarowum.cpp
idk, im testing it ove...
works fine for 2x2, idk why it doesn't for 3x3... i think i translated my alg correctly
lofty loom
But since c++ is the successor of c and c++ has classes
C++ is it's own language now
runic saffron
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Objects/longobject.c say
Also what am i supposed to look for here
lofty loom
The closest you'll get to the original C++ vision of "C with Classes" is GNU's GObject library
lofty loom
WebAssembly is the answer
lofty loom
numpy is so good that C# people, instead of having their own library like that, ...
Are you serious?
echo fern
ah, finally found it
echo fern
Also what am i supposed to look for here
clever salmonBOT
Include/cpython/longintrepr.h lines 79 to 82
struct _longobject {
PyObject_VAR_HEAD
digit ob_digit[1];
};```and PyObject_VAR_HEAD is a macro that expands to PyVarObject ob_base; according to https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/364ed9409269fb321dc4eafdea677c09a4bc0d8d/Doc/c-api/structures.rst
runic saffron
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/863729e9c6f599286f98ec37c8716e982c4ca9dd/...
I'm a confused duck now
clever salmonBOT
Include/object.h lines 109 to 112
typedef struct {
PyObject ob_base;
Py_ssize_t ob_size; /* Number of items in variable part */
} PyVarObject;```anyway, if you go down this rabbit hole, you'll eventually find out how bit PyObject_VAR_HEAD is (it's probably also written somewhere)
willow plinth
what all langs do yall know?
runic saffron
English
willow plinth
English is more messy than asm
runic saffron
anyway, if you go down this rabbit hole, you'll eventually find out how bit `PyO...
Esoteric seems so hard now
echo fern
Are you serious?
Yes, I found that out when I looked up that C# people use for ndarrays.
runic saffron
First it just seemed weird and the dark side of python
willow plinth
u dont need to know cpython to do estoric stuff
echo fern
willow plinth
just mess around with normal python
runic saffron
u dont need to know cpython to do estoric stuff
What esoteric things do you recommend for me
willow plinth
https://github.com/SciSharp/Numpy.NET
F# is still used
echo fern
why wouldn't it be?
willow plinth
its like older than c
willow plinth
What esoteric things do you recommend for me
idk, just convert code to one-liners