that kind of defeats the purpose of a challenge problem.
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
rare moat
rare moat
why not just do it later then? o_O
proud onyx
and have no mood
proud onyx
why not just do it later then? o_O
cant
rare moat
why not
proud onyx
just please try to understand
rare moat
if your friend is testing you they probably want you to do it yourself to show that you can do it.
echo fern
seems like there's an obvious solution in O(n*k) - for each element, check the nearby elements.
proud onyx
plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
jade bolt
my friend testing me bruh
testing your copying skillz?
jade bolt
I AM CALLING THE POLICE
YOU SAID GN BUT STILL HAVENT SLEEP
IM CALLING POLICE AS WELL
rare moat
no i was saying good night to someone else.
proud onyx
can someone please
echo fern
seems like there's an obvious solution in O(n*k) - for each element, check the n...
yeah, n and k are only up to 1000, so that's definitely the intended solution
rare moat
if you want someone to just write all the code for you, thats not happening.
like i said, if your friend is testing you, they are probably doing it to see what you can do.
if you just have someone else to do it, that defeats the purpose of being tested.
jade bolt
you always have an option to forfeit
rare moat
also O(n * k) 
i really should figure out how to determine the time complexity of something.
O(n), O(n^2) etc are pretty straight forward to determine, like they have recognisable patterns.
like a nested for loop or single for loop for example.
echo fern
I mean, you'd, for each of n elements, look at the neighbours in range of k, which is 2k+1 of them. That's still O(n*k) operations, since O(n*(2k+1)) is the same thing
i wonder if there's a bigger brain way to solve this in less complexity. Something something binary search trees? idk
proud onyx
uh
rare moat
that makes sense
proud onyx
idk what to say
echo fern
yeah, from my half-remembed DSA it seems like you can make this n log n or something like that, by building a binary search tree to answer queries like "is there a key among elements i-k:i+k+1?"
rare moat
BSTs are awesome
echo fern
they are pretty magic, though I don't know them well
IIRC I got taught them close to the end of my competitive programming in Java course in high school, and didn't really internalize it
rare moat
wait are BSTs limited to two children per node? i know the BS in BST means binary search (i.e the searching algorithm).
is a rooted binary tree data structure
guess so
echo fern
yeah, though there's additional confusion from the fact there's B-Trees
rare moat
you took a comp. programming class?
echo fern
and there, B is not binary 🥴
rare moat
WHAT
echo fern
rare moat
oh its-
echo fern
because computer scientists hate you, that's why
rare moat
echo fern
Not to be confused with Binary tree or B+-tree.
rare moat
B+-TREE
WHAT THE FUCK
A B+ tree is an m-ary tree with a variable but often large number of children per node. A B+ tree consists of a root, internal nodes and leaves.[1] The root may be either a leaf or a node with two or more children.[2]
echo fern
A B+ tree can be viewed as a B-tree in which each node contains only keys (not key–value pairs), and to which an additional level is added at the bottom with linked leaves.
huh
echo fern
oh it's apparently what file systems use
both NTFS and ext4 at least in places use them
cool
echo fern
chad linux mint: reads everything from FAT to squashfs
virgin windows 7: can't see my SSD because it's in ext4
jade bolt
you got balls kid
😳
rare moat
'you can make this algorithm run in linearithmic time by applying an inverted binary search tree and computing the levenshtein distance of the two nodes'
how about you compute some bitches instead
echo fern
opinion on linux mint after a week: maybe should have gone with ubuntu, because it's two major versions newer. but, eh, things really do work out of the box I guess? I still need tons of work to install stuff that's not builtin because it's not in the repos and some programs are not easy to compile from source.
rare moat
honestly i figured you would use Gentoo.
take that how you will.
that sounds infinitely easier than Linux Mint. :^)
echo fern
Gentoo benefits from around 250 developers and thousands of users,
uh
that's not very... reassuring
echo fern
nope
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
I googled usage statistics and this list confuses me a lot
I've never heard of MX and Endeavour
and Mint is higher than Ubuntu? is it really?
rare moat
probably
echo fern
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ranking
meanwhile in ratings, Arch is dominating, and ubuntu is way on the bottom, lmao
I guess there was a reason i didn't find ubuntu interesting. maybe should have tried arch tho
rare moat
Arch is
probably my favorite distribution.
definitely not everyone's thing though.
i try to compile my own software whenever i can though.
so maybe i will throw Gentoo into a virtual machine one day and give it a whirl.
jovial island
Hii ppl
errant seal
and Mint is higher than Ubuntu? is it really?
Mint is a nice distro. I use it for my dev machines and my other half uses it for her laptop 🙂
echo fern
huh
echo fern
definitely not everyone's thing though.
what makes it not everyone's thing?
rare moat
Arch Linux is not really like the other girls distributions, because you kind of start with a blank slate and have to install everything through the command line. set your time manually, install all the packages you need, setup internet, etc.
its a lot more of a hassle to install than other distributions.
the rationale is that you get to decide how your system is setup, instead of having it preconfigured for you.
not everyone
A) has the desire to do that
B) has the ability to do that
both are 100% understandable.
some people just want something that works, and thats where stuff like Ubuntu and Linux Mint come in.
echo fern
oh huh, I see
not for me then; my goal is to hopefully minimize the amount of time I spend fixing stuff up... to the degree it's possible on Linux at all 😔
rare moat
wow you do not want to go through hours configuring and fixing small problems in your computer?
what a NORMIE!!!!!!!!!!!
echo fern
😩
rare moat
truly lowest of the crop
echo fern
I mean, I still do
but I don't want to 🥴
it's a bit hilarious for me that more programs have up-to-date executables for Windows than for Linux... probably because they expect linux users to Just Compile It From Source
rare moat
it's a bit hilarious for me that more programs have up-to-date executables for W...
yeah probably that would not surprise me.
compiling from source is awesome but
ever try compiling SIMH or QEMU from source? good god that shit takes forever.
rare moat
YOU WHAT
echo fern
I recently had to open some big (dozens of megabytes) text files, and xed takes minutes to load them
notepad++ handles such files easily; probably xed does a stupid and tries to render the entire file at once or something
rare moat
you know what would solve that problem
versed wigeon
YOU WHAT
tbh if github copilot wasn't a thing i would've kept using notepad/notepad++
rare moat
people unironically using Copilot
echo fern
what
echo fern
oh, I read it as you saying copilot would fix the problem of xed being bad at big files
lmao
rare moat
i thought it was going to be some fad that dropped away.
rare moat
oh, I read it as you saying copilot would fix the problem of `xed` being bad at ...
nah, Vim or ed
but preferably Vim.
echo fern
okay, I just checked again
the problematic file is specifically a 1MB (that's tiny) JSON, without linebreaks
rare moat
you can also be a gigachad and do your editing with sed. :^)
rare moat
the problematic file is specifically a 1MB (that's tiny) JSON, without linebreak...
WHAT
1 MB JSON FILE?
echo fern
and the funny thing is, xed handles it fine if it's formatted to be multiline
echo fern
but one-liners kill it for some reason
echo fern
what are you working with
It's a pioneer savefile
echo fern
(well, technically it's a dumped pioneer savefile, normally they are stored slightly encoded and zipped)
rare moat
IS THAT GREY I C
echo fern
55% C++, 31.8C (allegedly)
rare moat
that is a very interesting mix of languages.
rare moat
55% C++, 31.8C (allegedly)
allegedly. 🤪
echo fern
not sure the C is real here
rare moat
C is a figment of your imagination.
echo fern
okay no I see some .c files, I guess that does guarantee them being C (.h doesn't)
dusky cliff
they could be for tricking you
echo fern
but it's mostly contributed
versed wigeon
.h is ether a header or a new language
dusky cliff
h
echo fern
`.h` is ether a header or a new language
yeah, I mean that I don't fully trust github to distinguish between C++ and C headers
is that even possible?
versed wigeon
yeah, I mean that I don't fully trust github to distinguish between C++ and C he...
yeah i don't think github can do that
echo fern
nope
versed wigeon
.h files can contain this ```c
#ifdef __cplusplus
extern "C" {
#endif
/* ... */
#ifdef __cplusplus
}
#endif
the language is ambiguous
echo fern
lmao, this last line
rare moat
we will call this C+
echo fern
xed really doesn't like big one-liners
rare moat
is it trying to render the entire fucking line?
echo fern
probably, I don't see why it would take a minute to open 1MB otherwise
rare moat
gedit is not portable
rare moat
it means it cannot run on my really old computers
echo fern
oh god lmao
versed wigeon
`.h` files can contain this ```c
#ifdef __cplusplus
extern "C" {
#endif
/* ... *...
and some .c files can contain this ```py
#ifndef __cplusplus
#include <stdio.h>
#define and ?
#define or :
#define def int
#define main() main() { a
#define None 0; }
#define print(x) puts(x);
#/*
"""#"/
int
#/
"""#"*/
C = 0;
def main():
print(++C and "C" or "python")
return None
#if 0
main ()
#endif
#else
#include <iostream>
#/*
"""#"/
int main() {
puts("C++");
}
#/
"""#"*/
#endif
now is this C or C++ or python?
echo fern
see for yourself
echo fern
rare moat
and see if it compiles with C8-
what the fuck
what the fuck is that syntax highlighting
echo fern
JSON
versed wigeon
cannot read properly
echo fern
supposedly
versed wigeon
that's not a light-mode compatible highlighting
echo fern
that's not a light-mode compatible highlighting
if so, that's still gedit's fault
because i am in fact in dark mode
okay, next
rare moat
...it uses Meson.
echo fern
uhh
versed wigeon
ok it sucks then don't use it
echo fern
yikes, atom is on electron
rare moat
yup
echo fern
not it then, probably. if I want an entire fucking electron app for text editing, I'd just use vscode
rare moat
Microsoft did good for once.
echo fern
oh my, there's a notepad++ clone
rare moat
on Linux?
echo fern
notepadqq
rare moat
How to install? Search a package for your Linux distribution or, if you're on Ubuntu, add the ppa.
echo fern
holy shit
rare moat
holy fuck
echo fern
how did they even do that? it just renders latex in text files? weird
echo fern
huh
rare moat
how did they even do that? it just renders latex in text files? weird
yeah probably lol
echo fern
why do they not recommend their PPA?
rare moat
How to install? Search a package for your Linux distribution or, if you're on Ubuntu, add the ppa.
hm?
oh
echo fern
wtf
rare moat
This method is not recommended. Use the above apt or the snap package instead.
rare moat
Please use the snap package instead. It is more up to date.
echo fern
how did they manage to make their PPA more outdated than the repo
rare moat
:^)
echo fern
that's a feat
rare moat
is it
echo fern
cursed
echo fern
yes
rare moat
jesus christ how many dependencies
echo fern
huh
rare moat
LOLWHAT
echo fern
it better not be an electron app
echo fern
yeah, saw that too
rare moat
echo fern
oh, it's a qt webapp
rare moat
qt provides that?
echo fern
that's still an uncomfortably big node_modules, lol
rare moat
is there any popular projects without a massive node_modules folder.
rare moat
i understand not wanting to reinvent the wheel but JavaScript seems to take it to an extreme sometimes.
echo fern
1GB, still no node_modules!
echo fern
it was
I thought something was wrong
but no, it just has, uhh, stuff
it's probably mostly 3d models
I should check, hold on.
rare moat
maybe they should make the game 2D. :^)
echo fern
the autopilot is kinda murderous in 3d
imagine how much worse in avoiding stuff it would be in 2d
proven bramble
1 gb repo? what is githubs max size for repos, lie 2 gbs?
echo fern
I think there might be a few of those here already
echo fern
also it's charmed by me, I can't say no
rare moat
of these?
proven bramble
looks head-patable
echo fern
time to install qdirstat
echo fern
oh boy, definitely from source for this one, last release is old
lol, in the repos it's even older
echo fern
since when can it show me a tree map and a block map
rare moat
✨ pipes ✨
write your shell scripts damn it
@dusky cliff
this is the most varied GitHub profile i have ever seen.
5 different languages
echo fern
smh, doesn't even have a bunch of bots for various games
echo fern
i've revealed it a bit earlier even
echo fern
echo fern
😩
rare moat
oh dear.
rare moat
those are not warnings.
echo fern
that's just commands
rare moat
thats the Makefiles output.
echo fern
whoops
echo fern
JER did a weird thing, and dropped support for making custom worldgen files via profiling
like, it still had support for them, but no way to obtain them in versions after 1.15
I got sick and tired of not having oregen data and made a rust program to generate them by scanning the world files
dusky cliff
5 different languages
😎
rare moat
Rust Rust Rust
echo fern
which is even better than scanning from minecraft itself, really
echo fern
I mean, it's a procedural macro
rare moat
a fucking what
echo fern
declarative macros: the normal my_cool_macro! ones
rare moat
Procedural macros allow creating syntax extensions as execution of a function. Procedural macros come in one of three flavors:
echo fern
procedural macros: really fancy, need a separate crate, can be applied to something like an attribute
rare moat
make everything unsafe
echo fern
but what this does here is simply supress the clippy warning about JER in the function name.
I actually am not sure it is a real macro
rare moat
echo fern
like, whether it expands to anything rather than a null-op.
rare moat
oh o_o
echo fern
probably not. I mean, neither clippy nor the compiler warnings work at runtime, lol.
rare moat
is clippy some style checker
echo fern
yup
echo fern
You can actually see, here, all the lints it has:
https://rust-lang.github.io/rust-clippy/master/
uhh
no?
who's that
echo fern
ah
echo fern
I'm really impressed by some of its lints
rare moat
there seems to be a lot of chaining in Rust.
echo fern
e.g. approx_constant
rare moat
Checks for floating point literals that approximate constants which are defined in std::f32::consts or std::f64::consts, respectively, suggesting to use the predefined constant.
thats really cool, actually lol
echo fern
clippy is 😎
rare moat
lmao
echo fern
also, about pioneer
rare moat
?
vague shadow
1 GB of git objects, whatever it is
git objects are where the data for each revision is stored
echo fern
that's the repo size of 1GB there, then
vague shadow
Yea 😄
echo fern
and what it actually is is mostly models
I wonder what bigger games do
probably don't store models on github 🥴
vague shadow
git lfs can be useful
usually pack all models into a single file and then use gitlfs
echo fern
huh
yes!
notepadqq is poggers
light, has dark scheme, looks and acts mostly like notepad++, and when passed that 1MB JSON, it:
- warns about the file size
- only loads for a few seconds
same with word wrap. Yup, it's great.
oh, and builtin json formatting which is nice
lofty loom
notepadqq is poggers
I noticed it uses Qt. How does it compare to Kate
languid osprey
Vim 😩
lofty loom
Though the TeX support is enough of a selling point for me
languid osprey
I actually am not sure it is a real macro
Imaginary macros 😩
lofty loom
aw it's Linux only
languid osprey
Wsl
lofty loom
Not worth the hassle.
And kinda defeats the point of a lightweight editor to spin up a VM
jovial island
Hii
brittle urchin
Why?
remote widget
👀
finite escarp
exams.
remote widget
Exams. Are. Fun.
remote widget
Wht 👀
remote widget
if u get low for like one time
Uhhh, if u ignore that part, then they are
finite escarp
u get depressed
finite escarp
Uhhh, if u ignore that part, then they are
NO
NOT IF U HAVE PARENTS LIKE Mine
sry i meant mine
remote widget
Lmaoo
jade bolt
hello, check #changelog please.
molten viper
give them potatoes
rancid estuary
hi
grand wharf
Hi guys
I'm using javascript to display data on a html page
Currently this is how I'm doing it
const db = firebase.firestore();
const dataRef = firebase.firestore().collection('/plantdata/plant1/17-03-2022');
I want the user to navigate/input the day
So in plant1 I would have;
17-03-2022
18-03-2022
19-03-2022
20-03-2022
I want the user to choose that part of the thingy
How would I place buttons in html to display the available days
gray spoke
Something's not right
When has this server traded color palettes with Together C & C++?
gray spoke
I think they've had their blue, yellow & white colored picture for a while now
shrewd lance
I mean, the Ukraine thing has been going on for a while at this point
3 weeks I think?
jovial island
so now because it's happening for 3 weeks it's suddenly no big deal? 🤔
slate leaf
I don't think that was what was implied
jovial island
perhaps it's very distant for american population, but in Europe it has economical consequences so it's more difficult to ignore
shrewd lance
No, that's commenting on "I think they've had it for a while"
slate leaf
I'm an American, but I believe amogus is overseas
shrewd lance
Trust me, having my government pull this shit for 3 weeks straight against my will, destroying the few good things we had in the process, is a very big deal 🥴
I can only imagine how bad it is for the Ukrainian civilians
jovial island
i know i can't even imagine how terrible it is
stone heron
Trust me, having my government pull this shit for 3 weeks straight against my wi...
Ur Rasian ?
shrewd lance
Yeah, unfortunately
stone heron
Yeah, unfortunately
damn, you are getting ready for getting cut from internet ?
jovial island
not how it works
shrewd lance
This is not an impossible scenario, both from the inside and the outside
shrewd lance
Cogent and LINX stopped serving Russia already, and there's a non-zero chance of more and more transnational exchange points and tier-1 providers cutting Russia off
shrewd lance
It's not going to happen in the immediate future, more likely a slow decline
stone heron
ahhh
shrewd lance
With increasingly poor latency and bandwidth
jovial island
i mean, there are tier 1 chinese providers
and russia is on good terms with china as far as i know
stone heron
oof really ?!!
shrewd lance
China isn't very keen on publicly supporting Russia, and even then it's not really a solid ally
jovial island
i mean, not supporting a war on ukraine doesn't mean a bad ally...
it's called common sense
stone heron
and yeah do you know that Rasia 'helps' Syria
shrewd lance
China historically cares mostly about itself, and I don't see it changing much. It's going to reap a heap of benefits as Russia gets isolated from the rest of the world, but it's not going to help Russia much
stone heron
and I live in Syria
jovial island
china helps itself, but export is a big notorious part of china helping itself...
shrewd lance
China will most likely abuse the monopoly it'll get on Russia to get natural resource for cheap and offload low-quality goods with a markup
jovial island
china is HUGE in USA
shrewd lance
Both the inner and the european markets are more beneficial to China, so it's not going to risk losing US and EU for Russia
stone heron
there is some Rassian military stations in Syria
jovial island
as far as i know there is no rule that china may not trade with russia yet
no penalties
shrewd lance
Syria has been stating some sketch stuff lately, yeah
shrewd lance
as far as i know there is no rule that china may not trade with russia yet
Not yet, but they're avoiding public support for the exact risk of worsening relationships with the West
stone heron
there is some Rassian military stations in Syria
I also see some Rassian trucks and tanks on heigh ways too !
shrewd lance
China is trying to sit on both chairs at once, and seeing as a lot of the world depends on it, China will probably succeed at that
shrewd lance
I also see some Rassian trucks and tanks on heigh ways too !
Out of curiosity, are you Syrian? If you're comfortable answering, that is
stone heron
Out of curiosity, are you Syrian? If you're comfortable answering, that is
yes I am
shrewd lance
Hang in there bud
slate leaf
Can I just say I'm very glad that this convo has been handled so well?
shrewd lance
Civil political convos are sadly rare these days
stone heron
I saw a sign on the road that says that we support Rassia !
damn
but Syria is likely nothing
it can do nothing
against that
as I think at least
shrewd lance
Protesting against war (as well as calling it a war, or an invasion, or anything other than a "special operation") is now very much illegal and considered extremist in Russia, fun fun fun
stone heron
Syria has been stating some sketch stuff lately, yeah
like what ?
shrewd lance
The whole support movement with volunteers willing to join russian armed forces
Everything aside, I'm afraid it's not going to reflect well on Syria economically
stone heron
ooof
stone heron
Everything aside, I'm afraid it's not going to reflect well on Syria economicall...
Yeah I think that too
anyways we without anything are dying
jovial island
i don't know by what definition it wouldn't be called a war...
shrewd lance
i don't know by what definition it wouldn't be called a war...
The only officially accepted definition is "A special military operation, liberating and denazifying Ukraine"
shrewd lance
4000 s.p = 1$ see how it is bad ?
Oofies
stone heron
yup
jovial island
yea i know russia calls it that, but what's the definition or war in russian language
shrewd lance
Oh it technically is a war by definition
It's just that you get jailtime for calling it a war :)
jovial island
cause killing civilians, and "liberating outside your own state" is by no definition not a war
stone heron
there is not real war in Syria now but
we have an economic collapse
jovial island
kinda like USA nuking moscow and saying it's "special operation of liberation from dictatorship"?
doesn't really sound right
sounds like a war to me
shrewd lance
Official sources state that civilians are not being targeted, and deflect any accusation by saying that it was either done by the Ukrainian forces (which makes little to no sense) or that it didn't happen at all and is "fake, fabricated and made to discredit Russian forces"
shrewd lance
And any source that states something other than the official position faces, you guessed it, jailtime
shrewd lance
It's really sad
jovial island
Just out of curiosity, do you guys in Russia have access to western news sources?
it's just that if you apply the same logic on the usa nuking moscow example, it puts it into perspective:
it doesn't add up
shrewd lance
Just out of curiosity, do you guys in Russia have access to western news sources...
Most are blocked at this point I think
jovial island
I see
shrewd lance
As well as independent local media
jovial island
you can always browse the internet
Social media too?
but i wouldn't expect 60+ yr old boomers to do so
shrewd lance
Fb, insta and twitter were nuked
jovial island
odd
shrewd lance
youtube is walking on thin ice for now
jovial island
VPN?
👏
Do you expect the bans to be removed after the war is done or is it something that is gona last?
shrewd lance
VPNs still work mostly
shrewd lance
Do you expect the bans to be removed after the war is done or is it something th...
I think most sanctions will stay a while if Russia withdraws forces and/or loses the war, but companies and brands will likely return soon
And if Russia keeps pressing, I don't see sanctions being lifted at all
jovial island
Even if the sanctions are lifted, i would expect a huge backslash to the economy
the logical thing to do would be never to lift the sanctions EVER
It's gonna be pretty hard for the Russians
shrewd lance
Oh no the economy is in fucking shambles, and it's not going to recover in the nearest decade at the very least
Yuup, prices have already gone up
jovial island
heh
hardly matters -> german inflation after war
russia has it's own currency so it can just baloon it however it sees fit
Do you think that people with the economic opportunity to get out of Russia will do so?
shrewd lance
Most that can, do emigrate, yeah
shrewd lance
Although there's a real chance of borders getting closed soon
jovial island
wait, is it really that bad in russia, that the COST is prohibitive to move? 🤔
i didn't know it was that bad
shrewd lance
I'm currently looking at job offers in Armenia to repatriate, luckily I'm not ethnically Russian
stone heron
there is some websites that blocks Syria too
jovial island
Good luck
shrewd lance
wait, is it really that bad in russia, that the COST is prohibitive to move? 🤔
They continuously close the Moscow stock markets for increasingly long periods of time to "support the economy"
basically, they figured out that if you don't want the economy to drop, you just disable it 🥴
jovial island
yea but moving like 1000km costs what, 150€?
it's not prohibitive cost, at least for my standards
same thing with ukraine people trying to migrate, and they tend to use trains...? when they could just go on a car and be in germany in solid 6-8 hrs?
shrewd lance
Russian wages are comparatively low from a western perspective, and so are they from a local perspective, kek
Most borders to Europe are closed, getting a visa is a huge issue, flight prices have marked up significantly, and that's ignoring the fact that most people didn't have enough savings to move anyway
A very significant part of the population lives paycheck to paycheck
jovial island
talking russia right? cause ukraine has all the rights to go to EU
shrewd lance
yeah Russia
jovial island
right
shrewd lance
It's slightly easier in terms of paperwork for Ukraine
jovial island
it's a lot
apparently you don't need much to go in EU now
Russia economy wasn't that hot even before the war started, was it? A sharp reduction in the standards of living would be presumably catastrophic, it could maybe even create another refugee crisis in Europe, people being displaced to another countries in Europe because of poverty
shrewd lance
Yeah
jovial island
Lets see how it plays out in the coming years
i really wish the sanctions on russia would never lift, so europeans would invest into self sustainability
I think this is unrealistic, the world is too connected and i don't think europe can escape this connection if they want to continue being economically strong
Good luck getting out farmart
farmart?
slate leaf
(amogus)
slate leaf
Their username is different from their nick ---you got it
jovial island
yea
jovial island
I think this is unrealistic, the world is too connected and i don't think europe...
why is it unrealistic? France has huge surplus of wheat production, a lot of others are very much able to produce crops too
as for gas, every ecology nut would support more reliance on renewable electricity
slate leaf
I'm not well versed in the economics of Europe and their trade with Russia, but I thought it was mostly about the oil / natural gas supply
jovial island
wheat and gas yea
as far as i know there is nothing special about gas that can't be fulfilled by electricity
slate leaf
I think the issue is the time schedules to overhaul multiple national electric grids
round moss
I think "a dictatorship with nukes in the east which we trade with" is better than "a dictatorship with nukes which we refuse contact with", all things considered
jovial island
A deep analysis need to be done for a consideration like that to even begin to be considered feasible, and i don't think europe can simply become independent of the world. The energy sector? Maybe, yes, but complete disconnection from the world economy would be insane
jovial island
I think "a dictatorship with nukes in the east which we trade with" is better th...
i disagree
no country is required to trade with another to be in good terms
carmine herald
I think "a dictatorship with nukes in the east which we trade with" is better th...
yes you got a leash on the former ¯_(ツ)_/¯
shrewd lance
Good luck getting out farmart
Oi thanks
round moss
sure, we shouldve gotten rid of russian oil back in 2014, but the EU is anything but decisive.
jovial island
^
jovial island
yea i just didn't know about the nickname sorry
shrewd lance
Oh that's fair, I haven't had my original nick for a long while here kek
I'm also known as Genghis
jovial island
as far as i know there is nothing special about gas that can't be fulfilled by e...
I'm not sure about this claim, but i believe Europe is largely dependent on gas to generate eletricity too
jovial island
I'm not sure about this claim, but i believe Europe is largely dependent on gas ...
not france 😎
round moss
well, you have to update houses to do electricity, which is slow. Losing natural gas means people just... not having heating during winters, as well as being unable to cook.
jovial island
france is based
jovial island
well, you have to update houses to do electricity, which is slow. Losing natural...
ooor using alternative heating methods
round moss
which is slow
jovial island
a lot of people in my country use electricity to warm their homes
we use logs, which are locally sourced 🙂
Yes, but building the type of infrastructure you're talking about in incredibly expensive and takes decades, i don't see how this is logical considering we are probably in the brink of an energetic revolution
round moss
sure, now get enough people qualified to actually install electric heating
especially considering how old european houses are
jovial island
everyone is qualified if they invest enough
round moss
teaching people to install eletric heating takes years
jovial island
That is the problem, isn't it? Everything can be done with enough investment, it's just a case of considering the benefits
that's why you hire an expert to install if for you
round moss
there arent enough experts to do switch everywhere
jovial island
🤔
round moss
no one has a backlog of experts to switch over a significant portion of the population to electric heating
jovial island
idk about that
jovial island
i mean
most would probably have existing installation right?
and connecting it to electric source of heat takes matter of hours
our neighbours just have that machine standing there on grass
doesn't look like rocket science
This is the type of thing that need to be done with planing and inevitably takes decades
jovial island
I guess Europe should start to do this, but you can't really count on them when there is cheap and accessible energetic resources that makes the change dispensable
round moss
yeah, it shouldve been happening since the crimea annexation
jovial island
It's probably an unjustified and costly change from the point of view of the politicians
round moss
but well, getting the EU to do well, anything at all, is a long and arduous process.
jovial island
I heard somewhere EU is very bureaucratic, such a shame really
Don't know if it's true
round moss
yeah, there isnt a lot you can do to avoid that
it is still a major improvement over the state of europe before the EU
but it is by no means perfect
jovial island
Imagine an efficient organization of the size of EU? Would be dreams come true
jovial island
But china has the advantage of being a centralized state
round moss
efficient and decentralised dont mix
blissful coral
Imagine an efficient organization of the size of EU? Would be dreams come true
ngl, overall EU is still the best place
it has free healthcare, the best quality of life in the world, adequate laws and restrictions to protect privacy, (mostly) a highly inclusive environment for people from every background
if you pay your taxes for a certain period, you also get unemployment funds (which are mostly peanuts in other countries due to corruption, or prevented from obtaining for profits - lookin at you US) and the best retirement system to aid the elderly
I would go on about the promotion of businesses, and the ease of getting visas to work or travel abroad but Im pretty sure Id be banned for spamming 🙂
blissful coral
so you think - all that's good in Europe has been preserved via the EU
there's almost no aspect where they aren't ahead of their peers, more so in policy. Climate, carbon, privacy, health - their legislations have been top of the line, and implementation aplenty.
europe good because EU, its such a strong framework that hold europe together
but if you have some valid points against why thats not the case, I would love to hear that
sinful sun
so you think - all that's good in Europe has been preserved via the EU
Im sure if you ask greeks, italians, portuguese, spaniards, the irish they'd have a different opinion lol
blissful coral
yeah, everyone has different opinions.....which is why we use facts
members are free to leave EU, so if they wanted to they can follow UK's half assed example
sinful sun
how would they leave when they've been forced into a codependent relationship by corrupt governments trynna get that sweet euro payout
blissful coral
what
this requires citations lol
the irish economy for instance is so linked to the euro via EEC that they don't even want to leave - they get plenty of support from EU's programmes to maintaining their economy. I assure you, they have no intentions of leaving at all - by strengthening their markets, they want to become less dependent on UK for exports which is precisely what EEA grants them the freedom to
and Spain too has plenty of democratic freedom with a healthy media, as well as a healthy influx of professionals from other members to maintain their economic growth. EU is solely responsible for its high tourism rate - why would they even want to give up that?
I have no idea where you came up with these, but they would require more than a couple of links to back up 🤷♂️
sinful sun
i didnt say anyone's leaving, you did
i said that its hard to leave when youre in a dependent relationship
like half of the EU is having less favourable views of the EU by the minute
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/the-european-union/
the economy isnt the only issue here anyway
mediterranean countries are crumbling under rampant immigration and the EU isnt doing shit to help
you can celebrate climate policies all you like, i dont think grandpas and grandmas barely surviving on 600eur a month because of austerity give a shit
blissful coral
thanks for actually using facts for once - your data is pretty old (2019) so I would advise to use more recent figures
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/11/17/majorities-in-the-european-union-have-favorable-views-of-the-bloc/
shows more favourable EU ratings due to COVID
additionally, your own slightly old material shows nearly 20% increase in EU approval during '16-19 BTW @sinful sun
from an actual EU source,
83% of EU respondents say that the quality of life in their region is good (+3% since 2018), while 68% say that the situation of the economy of their region is good (+2% since 2018). 71% say they are optimistic regarding the future of their region (+3% since 2018).
https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2552
sinful sun
why are you using averages and medians to argue this lol
why would I care about the opinions of germans or danes about their quality of life, I care about my own
why would the median EU opinion matter to me or my family if we're struggling
i'm from south europe and in my opinion and many of my own countrymen, the EU has failed us
foggy flicker
@jade bolt
jade bolt
<@!611418694245154847>
is this a war declaration
foggy flicker
is this a war declaration
probably
jade bolt
ill forfeit if i cant reach that after a week
ima practice until i beat you
@foggy flicker teach me typing son
or else you're ungrounded
foggy flicker
<@!510444035349938186> teach me typing son
I just focus on accuracy, and the rest is magic, it all just happens by itself. @brittle moth taught me this technique :)
jade bolt
wow
foggy flicker
or else you're ungrounded
wasn't I ungrounded yesterday?
jade bolt
wasn't I ungrounded yesterday?
you can go back home
foggy flicker
col
jade bolt
because you type too good
foggy flicker
:)
jade bolt
you'll be ungrounded if i couldnt beat you
foggy flicker
you'll be ungrounded if i couldnt beat you
it's weird, you're my son still you don't have my qualities
I guess we'll have a DNA test
brittle moth
@jade bolt he is noob, Just focus on your accuracy
jade bolt
ok
distant ice
would there be any use of declaring a variable as static and private at the same time (in java)?
foggy flicker
cool
fresh grotto
perhaps for an internal constant, though that would also be final
radiant socket
do longer time controls to practice consistency
jade bolt
do longer time controls to practice consistency
hmm yeah
I don't really get the use of wpm
e.e
dusky cliff
brag rights
radiant socket
yeah, that's it
digital bane
mines going worse
Plans getting foiled
foggy flicker
we'll count the amount you said "foil" at april
18 this month
jade bolt
18 this month
Thanks son
blissful coral
why are you using averages and medians to argue this lol
why would I care about ...
that's interesting - I would love to hear your opinions on why your people think that way and what their situation on-ground is, rather than getting things from the media
sinful sun
my homeland is still at war, and i dont mean that figuratively
we're an EU member state, we're under occupation, the EU isnt doing anything to help
no sanctions, no military support (and they want a goddamn EU army)
we're an island, we get boatloads of illegal aliens and the help the EU is putting out is nowhere near enough
jovial island
Where do you live, mariosis?
sinful sun
Cyprus
Well im from cyprus, i live in london
Ib4 someone asks me which part im from
Theres only one part
jovial island
Well im from cyprus, i live in london
Ah
sinful sun
The other "part" is a warcrime
blissful coral
my homeland is still at war, and i dont mean that figuratively
we're an EU membe...
EU is an economic alliance, not a militaric one - in that case, join NATO. Additionally, it seems EU has given nearly 20B$ of aid, just giving 800m last month to cyprus
if you think they're going to go to war, that's hardly peaceful. Turkey has been tried for HRC violations by EU as well as UN - apart frmo that, there isn't much one can do
sinful sun
The eu is definitely not just an economic alliance anymore... you spoke earlier of their climate and other unrelated policies
Also the world was so quick to literally cancel Russia
blissful coral
The EU is primarily an economic alliance, was always meant to be since its founding based on steel
sinful sun
If people wanted to do something they would
blissful coral
it has grown stronger and more diversified yes, but you are confusing things
primarily its a bloc - if one wants war, as I said join NATO or form a new bloc
sinful sun
They dont because we're just a small island and Turkey is a huge economy
We cant join nato lmao, turkey will invade again
blissful coral
obviously you can't
sinful sun
So whats left
blissful coral
but that's not EUs headache
sinful sun
A member state is under occupation, how is it not their problem
blissful coral
EU is not a babysitter for solving conflicts, as harsh as it sounds - which is a pretty strong argument against EU
sinful sun
They were pretty fucking quick to respond to ukraine's call for aid, not even a member
blissful coral
that's not how geopolitics works
sinful sun
You asked me how we think the eu has failed us, this is how
blissful coral
EU is an official strategic partner of NATO, with several FOBs in european countries
which is why ukraine got aid - because NATO helped
because thats what NATO is desgined to do
sinful sun
Ukraine isnt part of nato
blissful coral
what - its a very strong focus of NATO lmao
blissful coral
obviously if it was, we would be having WW3 and I would be asking how many rations you guys have left
sinful sun
And youre telling me Cyprus isnt in a strategic location?
blissful coral
apparently not.
sinful sun
yea thats not what the americans think whenever they park their fucking carriers in our ports
blissful coral
though its not like cyprus would protest if a submarine or 2 ended up on their waters
yea, welcome to international politics
sinful sun
i've been here a while, i know whats up
the eu is ignoring the little guy and so it's failed the little guy
thats pretty much all there is to it
nato too
blissful coral
ok, what should they do then? start another war b/w member states?
you got the money to pay for it?
sinful sun
maybe we should get some russian weapons deals and see how insignificant we are
im sure they'd love to have their stuff in the med
blissful coral
get some then. and then, you'd find the perfect attention from NATO you were looking for
sinful sun
also, you can acknowledge the reality of things without approving of them...
just cause the world is the way it is doesnt mean it should be
it just sounds like youre defending the status quo for no reason
lofty loom
People don't like change, so probably that
blissful coral
I am acknowledging the reality of the situation cypriots face every day. what I am emphasizing is that realistically no one cares, as harsh as it may sound.
blissful coral
People don't like change, so probably that
what
lofty loom
I entered without much context btw
sinful sun
i know no one cares but i hope you understand a bit more why i said EU bad
blissful coral
well, I do understand your pov. but again, that's the thing - EU since its inception was never militaric. if it was, the entire continent would be in shambles\
Europe was a pretty bloody place, and EU fostered peace through integrated militaries and economy. at the end of the day, its still a big boy band
where the smaller kids end up, trying to be in the same club 🤷♂️
sinful sun
you say it was never militaristic but just a couple years ago Macron said "europe cannot truly protect itself without a european army"
blissful coral
well yes, they have NATO. what they are saying is to increase military spending for leverage
sinful sun
the eu also was supposed to be a purely economic area but now we got social and climate policy out the ass
blissful coral
which thankfully france and germany were kind enough to do so
social and climate policy is still a small part, but it helps to make EU much better and more advanced - so why not?
sinful sun
because it should be up to the member states themselves to introduce appropriate policy
blissful coral
climate change is a huge thing too - but the problem is it affects everyone while small conflicts don't garner the same attention and praise
sinful sun
also greece is the highest contributor by GDP to NATO
blissful coral
you are mistaking the fundamental nature of humans
EU can do nothing to change that
sinful sun
the fundamental nature of humans is not to be governed by high commissions they didnt even vote into power
round moss
I mean, EU does sometimes fix their member countries, e.g. bailing out greece.
blissful coral
the reason why Ukraine conflict was so covered, and literally no one knows about chechyna is because of this...
blissful coral
I mean, EU does sometimes fix their member countries, e.g. bailing out greece.
that's a bad example IMO.
round moss
the EU is deeply flawed in many ways, but it is still better than europe than without EU.
blissful coral
they had to fix greece otherwise vital instruments depending on it would fail causing a domino effect
at a time where no one wanted it
sinful sun
lol greece wasnt fixed by eu bailouts
blissful coral
not everything is a rainbow, or a utopia in EU but it sure as hell is the closest thing we've got
sinful sun
it wasnt fixed period
round moss
yeah, that's fair
sinful sun
the bailout was voted against by the people btw, the government took it upon themselves to agree to it
blissful coral
its considered pretty "fixed" as I have a close friend who is greek, and according to his yearly visits the real situation is pretty rosy
and you're the one who values actual experiences 🤷♂️
full haven
I wonder how many are lurking (like me) sorry for disturbing
round moss
it's the whole issue of "changing EU from the inside is impossible", yet throwing EU away and trying for something better would kill the entire region.
sinful sun
its governments like that one that got us into all this trouble by ditching their own currency for the euro for a quick pay out
why dont you ask your friend how much the average pensioner makes
sinful sun
it's the whole issue of "changing EU from the inside is impossible", yet throwin...
must be a hell of a coincidence that the mythology of the phoenix is greek
jovial island
greeks used to have a very vivid culture
blissful coral
why dont you ask your friend how much the average pensioner makes
In Greece, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 20 791 a year, less than the OECD average of USD 30 490 a year. In terms of employment, about 56% of people aged 15 to 64 in Greece have a paid job, below the OECD employment average of 66%.****
comparing against OECD, some of the richest nations in the world is no joke
while Greece isn't US, it isn't bad off
if you aren't convinced by real-life experiences, or data there isn't much ground one can accomplish logically.
sinful sun
are we both reading the same page
which part of that shows people enjoying their life
?
round moss
Greek pensions are quite pathetic for one, I am from the czech republic, and our pensions are close to 50% more, and we are in the middle of a pension crisis with many pensioners living in utter poverty.
and greece has higher cost of living than here afaik
sinful sun
blissful coral
what part of
while Greece isn't US, it isn't bad off
is confusing?
is it in debt? or worse than africa?
sinful sun
blissful coral
yes...compared to the best of 66% in scandinavian countries
sinful sun
are you seriously comparing against the richest country on earth
blissful coral
go on, compare india to USA
blissful coral
are you seriously comparing against the richest country on earth
that's exactly what you are doing lmao
sinful sun
We're not situated in asia, this is european countries compared against each other
median nimbus
can someone help me with python?
blissful coral
so? european country, then make your own wealth. EU gives money - but it doesn't convert them to super-rich nations
sinful sun
bruh
blissful coral
is it better off than rest of the countries in the world? yes.
sinful sun
are you seriously using the hustlegrind argument
sinful sun
who cares about global averages
blissful coral
who cares about cyprus
sinful sun
the average human has fewer than 2 arms, does that mean my issues arent important?
holy fuck
blissful coral
why are we even having this conversation rn, I have no idea
sinful sun
ok im gonna stop right now
radiant socket
is it in debt? or worse than africa?
just because it isn't horrible doesn't mean it's not bad lol
sinful sun
there's no poverty in europe because the world poverty line is like $1.22
blissful coral
just because it isn't horrible doesn't mean it's not bad lol
thanks, but I am not continuing this unproductive conversation. it might be better to move to DMs
radiant socket
lol
jade bolt
there's no poverty in europe because the world poverty line is like $1.22
oh that was updated, the last time I remember it was 1.18
hm
blissful coral
oh sure, Europe is dying - do you even know what goes in other countries outside your little bubble? literal genocides. but ofc, we're prized Europeans - our lives clearly matter. unless we are earning millions a day, we're clearly depressed
sinful sun
bruh we're literally under occupation
blissful coral
bruh, so are half of other regimes
sinful sun
so what
radiant socket
bruh, so are half of other regimes
uh, that doesn't make it ok
blissful coral
exactly, but as mariosis expressed - who cares about the rest of the world?
sinful sun
are you seriously telling me to stop because im not at the maximum level of unhappiness?
blissful coral
its just us privileged europeans
jade bolt
bruh we're literally under occupation
woah since 1974, sad
I googled that, so prob misinformation but
blissful coral
simply put - recognize that other people may be having worse problems that you too.
radiant socket
its just us privileged europeans
what even is your argument lol. other people have it worse, so being occupied is ok?
sinful sun
i dont give a shit about other people
blissful coral
i dont give a shit about other people
I think you've made it pretty clear. again, good day
sinful sun
you better not ever complain about anything in here
and i hope you carry this attitude with you and not show it only where its convenient
radiant socket
got stabbed? it's ok, someone died before
sinful sun
and also if something bad happens to you or your loved ones i hope you keep quiet because other people have it worse
radiant socket
hm, that's uncalled for
jade bolt
the irony
sinful sun
i'll take a warning if necessary
carmine herald
are you seriously telling me to stop because im not at the maximum level of unha...
hi im at the maximum level of unhappiness and kind of a big deal on the oppression olympics u got my permission to have problems ¯_(ツ)_/¯
jade bolt
get good, can't do much here 🫂
blissful coral
and also if something bad happens to you or your loved ones i hope you keep quie...
you good bro? I am simply expressing something optimistic - looking on the positive side of things. but really sorry if it struck a nerve. My point was to simply argue about why EU is good for europe - again, sorry if I offended you...
sinful sun
oh you died? look on the bright side, at least you dont have to live in this wretched god forsaken world anymore
goddamn excel is slowly pushing me over the line
median blade
lol
carmine herald
was this really about looking at the bright side or "hurr durr u dont get to complain" moment
bright side memers are annoying but this one went extra lol
sinful sun
Starcy stop complaining about the anticlimactic end to the convo
Others have it worse
carmine herald
i have it the worst, my coffee is cold and decaf
errant seal
😦
carmine herald
sorry moite i dont have a TV loisense
gets stabbed
sinful sun
Call the coppers
errant seal
eyar mate, you takin the mick? That's bang out of order, innit.
blissful coral
you got stabbed? look on the bright side, at least you didn't die
sure beats the "i dont give a shit about other people" attitude, atleast in my world
sinful sun
like you said, world doesnt care about us, why should we care about the world
hollow heart
@sinful sun @blissful coral please don't continue this conversation, take it to DMs
blissful coral
honestly, this isn't really a thing to discuss about- its something that you decide yourself. so we'll take minaberry's advice and continue some other convo here 🙂
hollow heart
nice
radiant socket
pog
full haven
Congrats 🎉
radiant socket
Friday too
sinful sun
yee, gotta go get some nice food now
odd wigeon
fresh yarrow
got raise and title change today
niceee
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grim summit
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