native linux?
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
median blade
hazy laurel
/media is the new standard AFAIK (for removable media)
median blade
ah the /media/ dir is very lengthy
daring jay
I see. It's absolutely perfect for me on VSC, but I know you said you dislike that.
hazy laurel
/mnt is usually for manual mounts and not-removable media
serene gull
If I learned but Iโm not gonna because itโs illegal.
hazy laurel
idk, and I'd rather not set $HOME to /mnt/c/Users/whatever/
median blade
hm
hazy laurel
I just prefer WSL as a default "shell" a lot more than PowerShell/cmd
but... having used it a fair bit, it's just not the same as native Linux
wicked hollow
That's a weird complaint - a WSL terminal starts in around 1 to 2 seconds for me.
hazy laurel
That's a weird complaint - a WSL terminal starts in around 1 to 2 seconds for me...
but do you constantly shut it down?
wicked hollow
nah, I start it once per reboot - once a week or two.
hazy laurel
yeah, so you have the benefit of being able to keep it open
wicked hollow
sure. but it takes about 2 seconds to start when I start it.
hazy laurel
I have Razer Cortex turn shut it down every time I start a game
idk, I do have to wait for it quite often
I just start typing while it loads
wicked hollow
idk, and I'd rather not set `$HOME` to `/mnt/c/Users/whatever/`
you could just add a symlink to it - ln -s /mnt/c/Users/whatever/ $HOME/profile and then you can cd ~/profile/ instead.
hazy laurel
I'd not actually thought of doing that, but I guess it would work
wicked hollow
you should be able to do cd "$USERPROFILE" right out of the box
hazy laurel
idk, WSL just doesn't feel as integral as I'd like, and I find it a bit confusing trying to develop with it
daring jay
Hmm, seems like I've been lucky. WSL has always worked wonderfully for me with the tools I've used.
hazy laurel
it's this weird preference that like "man, I wish I could just have my entire workflow inside of WSL", but that's when I realize that's literally just like installing Linux
wicked hollow
I do everything in WSL except a browser. For which I've been using Edge, actually.
daring jay
I like keeping my dev stuff within Linux, but everything else stays out in the Windows world where I know it's well supported.
hazy laurel
idk, I've already confused myself to heck with trying to figure out what's meant to be the ideal setup
everything just feels too new and hacked together, that I'm just very weary about it
granted, that's probably just because I'm not very familiar with it at all
but at the same time, I really don't want to be
median blade
what exactly does prettier do
wicked hollow
reformats markdown files
hazy laurel
I thought they were talking about the VSCode extension for code formatting ๐
daring jay
Prettier can also do that afaik
Prettier is an opinionated code formatter with support for:
JavaScript (including experimental features)
JSX
Angular
Vue
Flow
TypeScript
CSS, Less, and SCSS
HTML
JSON
GraphQL
Markdown, including GFM and MDX
YAML
wicked hollow
huh. I've only used it for markdown, I didn't know it could do other types.
daring jay
I'm pretty sure it was originally made as a JS formatter
wicked hollow
TIL ๐
daring jay
But expanded to other frontend tools later
mental idol
Well this is a happy accident. I was just going to look for a markdown formatter. Is Prettier ... pretty good?
wicked hollow
I hate it
wicked hollow
I mean, it does what it says on the tin. I just don't like formatting markdown.
median blade
oh lol
wicked hollow
rewrapping all the lines all the time and constantly changing the amount of whitespace in table columns makes git blame useless, which annoys the heck out of me.
mental idol
rewrapping all the lines all the time and constantly changing the amount of whit...
Oh.. that's gross and I do not want that.
median blade
code runner, namely
ugh i hate that
daring jay
For me, I wrap my markdown, but I do it by hand and I like it that way.
wicked hollow
it shrinks table columns to fit their content - which sounds lovely, until you need to add wider text in that column again...
mental idol
hmm, maybe I'll just add a pre-commit hook and see what breaks instead of an extension. LOL. https://github.com/jackdewinter/pymarkdown the tin looks good.
wicked hollow
But expanded to other frontend tools later
that'd be why I didn't know that - I don't touch frontend stuff, at all, but use markdown for docs
daring jay
Why is Windi CSS on there but not Tailwind...
median blade
Why is Windi CSS on there but not Tailwind...
CSS in JS frameworks (idk what Windi CSS is)
daring jay
Oh, I see
median blade
look at how much it has grown in 2 years
median blade
does webpack not enable hot reload of the html/css?
daring jay
I forget, I haven't use webpack in a while
median blade
oh what do you use
daring jay
The only projects I ever need a bundler for are those that use SvelteKit and (occasionally) Next.js, and those already come with bundlers so
But I have messed with Vite a bit
median blade
oh
daring jay
Honestly documenting code is a lot of fun.
I've spent the last 20 minutes just documenting stuff inside a project of mine, and it's quite nice to have to explain exactly what's happening.
jovial island
Honestly documenting code is a lot of fun.
Agreed.
small cloak
echo flower
lmfao
jovial island
@small coral
small coral
Yes
small coral
He gone
jovial island
ouu
pastel arch
nah bye gtg i hv those dpp's to solve ๐
jovial island
man needs to cover backlogs
pastel arch
wait u r in kota?
no
jovial island
same lol
small coral
hmm in what coaching are u ?
Aakash
pastel arch
none polular
jovial island
kota kills u from inside
pastel arch
private tutors
jovial island
T___T man why is this indian edu system so hard
small coral
T___T man why is this indian edu system so hard
Idk
jovial island
i m ok with preparing for school exams coz they are easy but these entrance exams are tough as fuck
formal laurel
T___T man why is this indian edu system so hard
especially when 11th and 12th went in lockdown ๐ข
jovial island
neither i m rich to prepare and go into some US college through SAT
small coral
it costs atleast 50-60 lacs for a cs bachelors degree in US
Yeah sad
jovial island
I like maths but don't like chem a little bit, physics is ok
i m struggling with coaching maths
maths in RD sharma is easy , i like physics too , im good in chem too
small coral
Like why ask chemistry for getting cs it doesn't even relate
jovial island
the main issue is coaching maths is hard as fuck
jovial island
Like why ask chemistry for getting cs it doesn't even relate
lol JEE
small coral
the main issue is coaching maths is hard as fuck
Yeah
jovial island
๐ฆ
jovial island
especially when 11th and 12th went in lockdown ๐ข
i m in 11th\
i m ok with my studies , in phy nd chem almost just need to improve maths which i cannot anyways
T__T
formal laurel
Like why ask chemistry for getting cs it doesn't even relate
maybe "new education policy's" proposed changes, will allow more mix & match customisation while choosing subjects
but we'll be gone untill it comes
jovial island
yup but new edu policy will come when our kids will go to school lol
formal laurel
yea lol
jovial island
shinero u live in PG in delhi?
small coral
shinero u live in PG in delhi?
With parents
small coral
?
unreal sigil
There are far too many acronyms being thrown around that I don't understand
jovial island
wait how do u get so much of time for all this ? @small coral
small coral
There are far too many acronyms being thrown around that I don't understand
What?
jovial island
There are far too many acronyms being thrown around that I don't understand
lol
small coral
wait how do u get so much of time for all this ? <@!742617866280501288>
Just skip study
formal laurel
do you live in kota or somethin ?
jovial island
do you live in kota or somethin ?
nope lol
small coral
do you live in kota or somethin ?
No
jovial island
i would die in kota or not even open laptop
small coral
he's not getting what we r talking about
Yeah cuz he's not indian
jovial island
T__T
jovial island
Yeah cuz he's not indian
T__T
small coral
Ok I gtg now cya mate :)
small coral
Who knows
jovial island
๐ฑ
small coral
Lol
small coral
Bye
jovial island
pastel arch
There are far too many acronyms being thrown around that I don't understand
DPP = daily practice papers
of 15 question
of all 3 subjects
PG = paid guest
kota is just Kota is located along the banks of the Chambal River in the southern part of Rajasthan. which is the coaching hub of india
RD Sharma is a proffessor whose book on maths is good and widelyy used
SAT = is an exam to get admission in American colleges/universities
hope u get an idea
@unreal sigil
unreal sigil
What's 'coaching'?
pastel arch
coaching is like tuition but more organised and targets competitive exams in India
and foreign
edgy nebula
What's 'coaching'?
college entrance tests in india are SUPER competitive (close to a million kids write the engineering undergrad entrance test every year), so it's quite common that kids go to these "coaching" centres to prepare
unreal sigil
Geez ๐
I'm pretty sure I've secured myself a place in the engineering course I want
edgy nebula
hell yeah, congratulations ๐
are your results out yet? i thiiink i remember you were waiting for it
small coral
Nice man
untold bane
hazy laurel
You see the symbol above the 2? That's what you want
wise skiff
guys i lost my ipads password and i cannot open it but i have 45 gb photo in it is there any way to open that without reset it?,
echo flower
how do u use a password manager for the password lock of an ipad
fluid plank
how do u use a password manager for the password lock of an ipad
another device lol
snow reef
Does the iPad encrypt its storage? Can you create an image of the drive if it's mounted as a drive?
civic plank
i dont think so. cops can break into password protected ios devices easily
snow reef
Apple is super weird, such isolated devices. But guess that's what all these "new" devices do. Used to just take whatever drive/card and chuck it in a computer and the data was all there...
civic plank
this companies device can break into any apple devices last time i heard
and freely access its storage/other info
snow reef
i dont think so. cops can break into password protected ios devices easily
hmmm, yeah, with enough resources most security is a bit "ekkk."
snow reef
Wasn't there some encryption standard that required the current average computing power times every grain of sand on earth and still take the age of the universe or something?
civic plank
Wasn't there some encryption standard that required the current average computin...
i have no clue but by the way its worded... it most likely exists lol..
snow reef
i have no clue but by the way its worded... it most likely exists lol..
Ha! Probably only in theory. I was guessing it was RSA 4096 but that apparently only takes an hour...
(and this wass 4 yeaars ago..)
civic plank
Ha! Probably only in theory. I was guessing it was RSA 4096 but that apparently ...
ah. also that sounds familiar think I heard about that in my networking class.
snow reef
... I kinda like that humans are like "ok, let's make this thing that is impossible to beat. ... done, there is no way this can fail", and then some other people are like "let's beat this thing using some really weird vector... well, that was actually easy".
I don't think we actually need capitalism anymore. It was good to get out from under the boot of feudalism, but to say that it is the only reason for growth is a bit silly.
analog basalt
print "e"
wind sphinx
Can some one help me with flutter?
jade bolt
guys i lost my ipads password and i cannot open it but i have 45 gb photo in it ...
if those are stored in sdcard take it out
hasty wolf
Seen it : )
wise skiff
if those are stored in sdcard take it out
bruh ipads dont have sdcard store
jade bolt
bruh ipads dont have sdcard store
but there must be a disk, i wonder you can ever get the disk inside though ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
breaking it might hurt the disk
idk whats a secure way to get it
elfin vine
hazy laurel
meow
wheat rock
elgato
carmine herald
nya
real forum
Omg this name
radiant socket
dvorak 9 anyone? ๐ ๐ต
real forum
What idiot would confuse a keyboard layout with music
radiant socket
i can't tell if you're being sarcastic
hollow heart
i don't fully remember the context but 'twas from our girls-night-vc-night
radiant socket
was i there for that
fluid plank
What idiot would confuse a keyboard layout with music
me >:(
woven stag
๐
echo flower
hallo
hazy laurel
@unreal sigil Were you the one that was super into... typing? \๐ค
oh hey. convenient channel name
unreal sigil
<@!284565640684109824> Were you the one that was super into... typing? \๐ค
I was into typing for a little yeah ๐
echo flower
mating dance
solemn thistle
the rust people ignored me so I've come here
let transitions: Multimap<Symbol, Multimap<LR0Item<'grammar>, L>> = items
.vec
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symbol,
Item {
production,
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lookahead,
},
)| { (symbol, (Item::lr0(production, index), lookahead)) },
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for (symbol, shifted_items) in transitions.into_iter() {
let shifted_items: Vec<Item<'grammar, L>> = shifted_items
.into_iter()
.map(|(lr0_item, lookahead)| lr0_item.with_lookahead(lookahead))
.collect();
is shifted_items guaranteed to have a single element?
manic shale
shrewd lance
bread ๐
carmine herald
light void
@stiff ridge we can talk about it here
rare moat
fortran?
light void
lol this convo wildin tho
separating people is dangerous
jovial island
yes
civic plank
what we arguing about boys
jovial island
separating people is dangerous
I see that, but it was never in my intention to do that
i hope u understand that too
light void
I see that, but it was never in my intention to do that
OK, that's good to hear. Maybe there's a language issue?
jovial island
im not a native speaker, that might be it lol
rare moat
there are probably some books on it. definitely actually. that thing is ancient.
civic plank
oh ok. i saw this channel mentioned here in #python-discussion and seemed like ppl were arguing lol
jovial island
time for me to learn some kind of assembly for fun
carmine herald
what we arguing about boys
bread
civic plank
๐ฅ
civic plank
time for me to learn some kind of assembly for fun
why do you want torture yourself like that?
sinful sun
Something something arguing about gatekeeping and the word's uses
civic plank
i learned some x64 masm 2 months ago... forgot everything
light void
i thought we were going to be accused of being SJW's for a minute there.
civic plank
Something something arguing about gatekeeping and the word's uses
oh lol. gatekeeping what though?
sinful sun
No idea tbh
civic plank
i thought we were going to be accused of being SJW's for a minute there.
any normal take nowadays = sjw lol
carmine herald
i thought we were going to be accused of being SJW's for a minute there.
its 2021 thats a compliment 
rare moat
now if there is a word that is overused, it is SJW.
light void
No-one who uses the term means it as a compliment ๐
rare moat
somebody wants you to not be rude? what A Fucking SJWโข๏ธ.
how dare you request basic human decency?
shadow elk
Socialist JavaScript Writer
rare moat
Socialist JavaScript Writer
light void
Soggy Juice Wrapper
rare moat
make that an OT name.
civic plank
OT name in the making
echo flower
ah yes Vladimir "Javascript" Lenin
tribal tinsel
oh lol. gatekeeping what though?
Gatekeeping being a programmer. User wanted to classify who's "real programmer" and who's not
tribal tinsel
i thought we were going to be accused of being SJW's for a minute there.
Why SJWs? I'm a Mage
civic plank
Gatekeeping being a programmer. User wanted to classify who's "real programmer" ...
oh that's big yikes
carmine herald
Why SJWs? I'm a Mage
warriors the starting class
civic plank
got me thinking, why would someone gatekeep "programming" lol
carmine herald
u must ponder the orb a lot ๐
civic plank
well i guess every activity has gatekeepers
carmine herald
then u get to advanced gatekeeping when ppl try to argue that you dont exist
: 
wicked hollow
There's a lot of gatekeeping for Python developers. "Python developers aren't real programmers", "it's just a scripting language",
light void
There's a lot of gatekeeping for Python developers. "Python developers aren't re...
"just a scripting language" that is a classic
echo flower
do people actually say that
light void
sure
tribal tinsel
I know people who do "just" scripting. My just scripting is writing hundreds lines long scripts dealing with big systems related to network management
wicked hollow
I've seen people do "just scripting" in C
calling popen("date") and trying to parse the output, or things like that
tribal tinsel
Where does "just scripting" end and "programming" start? Is it only about being interpreted vs compiled? If yes, it's shallow af. If not, then where's the cutout? Number of lines? How big systems you deal with?...
wicked hollow
I think it's building your own stuff versus gluing together stuff others built
tribal tinsel
Lol
This reminds me
I called my Operating Systems (aka Unix programming) programs "Frankenstein's code" because it was glued. But that's the thing. Current class coordinator (at my time had one lab group) says that's the point of the tutorials we got for that class - to use that stuff shown there!
wicked hollow
I've also seen people get confused about the difference between "a system call" in C and "a system() call", and trying to explain that system("ls -l") was one of the most efficient things they could do, because it's one system call.
tribal tinsel
That's kinda language barrier. Today someone asked how comes print() returns None instead of newline, then after some explanation asked how it comes something else handled printing in print, since print is called print
Syntactic sugar, nicely named functions... It may all collide with other concepts
light void
why is it called printing a string when there is no ink and no yarn?
echo flower
isn't print just a wrapper for stdout.write with other useful features
tribal tinsel
isn't print just a wrapper for stdout.write with other useful features
It only uses stdout if no other stream is passed
I even linked specific c code for printing after that, as addition to basic talk that was going on
clever salmonBOT
Python/bltinmodule.c line 1966
builtin_print_impl(PyObject *module, PyObject *args, PyObject *sep,```but basically yes. It takes a file to print to, defaults to stdout, and just calls that file's .write() method in the end
and the whole value add of print() is the formatting it does before calling .write()
open bone
You all missed the fuckin space launch
hollow heart
You all missed the fuckin space launch
what launch?
hollow heart
lolol do tell
hollow heart
ah so some spacex thing
hollow heart
why? do tell
open bone
I already feel rich like Elon musk
open bone
Wat it is
quaint summit
People who say the just a scriping language thing are just ignorant.
open bone
Sexy
quaint summit
JavaScript was once just a goofy, ridiculous browser language that children played with for the dragon ball z fan sites.
Look at it now.
Same is true with python, its come very far.
I know im preaching to the choir but
open bone
Bro am I smoking crack or are you in the wrong channel
Because I think Iโm smoking meth not crack
hollow heart
no it's related to the previous conversation
quaint summit
Probably cut back on all the hard drug references.
hollow heart
JavaScript was once just a goofy, ridiculous browser language that children play...
i do remember that era
is there any non-web use of javascript?
quaint summit
Sure there is... That is what node is. Although I dont really like using node for server stuff.
But the point is, people always do this, "python can't large applications."
But it can, and in my opinion, a programmer who makes it work in python is very well organized.
Python is easy to pick up and do easy things, and tons of people are like that. But its difficult to master. And people do master it.
idk. its an annoying thing that other programmers in other languages do.
hollow heart
it seems getting good is mostly about getting good at engineering good solutions
quaint summit
yeah
hollow heart
how does one learn that?
echo flower
the stuff for me is objex
i wanna master the dunders so i can do cursed stuff
quaint summit
TBH, in my opinion, I'm still not good at it. I can work on existing code bases, but mostly when I try to build something from the ground up, its a failure.
Just being honest.
hollow heart
sure, that's fine, i'm no advanced programmer lol
hollow heart
TBH, in my opinion, I'm still not good at it. I can work on existing code bases,...
you probably see lots of bad solutions from other people though, so how do you handle that?
open bone
I am not smart with this shit
echo flower
TBH, in my opinion, I'm still not good at it. I can work on existing code bases,...
it's the reverse for me
i can build stuff from ground up, but im very bad at contributing to existing code bases
open bone
Gah dayum
quaint summit
Its worth it to take time to just read code of a good project and not write code. Its a skill that is part of the whole thing.
By good project I mean something actively being worked on.
quaint summit
you probably see lots of bad solutions from other people though, so how do you h...
as for this question... where you can, you choose to not deal with it, and where you cant, you suffer. lol
I dont have the answers to these questions lol
I think as you use more things you get better at identifying things that work and don't work.
This community has an absurd amount of people in it as compared to a few years ago when it was big even then.
hollow heart
lol are you an old time member? i joined just about a year ago
quaint summit
um, I used to be active on another account, definitely before many people, but not before everyone. At some point I felt like I was wasting too much time on Discord and deleted the account to make myself be productive again.
But after I broke the habit I decided to make another account haha
quaint summit
I think it was healthy to take a break when I needed to for sure.
But yeah when i came back here things changed a lot
A lot of older people were not as active because the community became much, much, much bigger
hollow heart
you mean originally there were more older people?
quaint summit
not older as in older aged, but originally it was more like you saw the same names all the time. I don't see most of those names anymore. That's really just the way a large community is. And there was no way the python discord was not going to get huge
Another huge difference is people being stupid was not tolerated at all.
Now I think its just too much work to control and some stupidity is just left if it does its thing and goes away
hollow heart
lol i suspect your assessment may be accurate, though i've not been around for the before to compare
quaint summit
it happens
It could be a lot worse.
For the size of this community there is no other way for it to be.
hollow heart
we're likely going to hit 300k soon
but i hope you stick around, even though things have changed a lot
quaint summit
tbh, when I was most active in here, I didnt have a job.
So it will not be like that again, but I'll be around on occasion
hollow heart
can i ask why your nick is div selector? do you do webdev
quaint summit
I do. Originally I was "lil div selector" which was a joke that was supposed to be like I'm rapper who is a programmer.
its a CSS joke.
quaint summit
yeah
upbeat sandal
@fluid plank Volcyy is a staff member
frigid pollen
I like tools.
They're useful.
Nevermore do we need stir boiling pasta with our bare hands.
Or take apart computers with our own faces.
The dawn of humanity's rise is upon us!
Additionally: Opposable thumbs!
Possibilities abound!
hazy laurel
I was into typing for a little yeah ๐
oops... I read this and forgot to ask my question... I was thinking about finally learning how to properly type and I remember you gave me some suggestions in the past and I've already forgotten them
dim root
i was pointing to akarys' infractions lol
also sleep
or i won't review on modmial
:)
wide totem
@dim root #python-discussion message
dim root
lol
jovial island
He only has a couple infractions
keen burrow
Yeah, just a couple
pliant trench
https://www.typingclub.com/
this one's good
I also broke my record today
actually not today
i deleted that shit
carmine herald
oops... I read this and forgot to ask my question... I was thinking about finall...
u forgor ๐
hazy laurel
https://www.typingclub.com/
omg was this the one that jumpscared me
I'm scared to navigate now
hollow heart
@true gust hi. i've deleted 2 of your messages from your posts. please keep conversation appropriate here as per our #code-of-conduct and please do not reference actions of self-harm
true gust
<@922106786339766292> hi. i've deleted 2 of your messages from your posts. pleas...
oh sorry i got what you mean
clever salmonBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @woven summit until <t:1639941251:f> (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).
jovial island
what laptops yall reccomend?
round moss
what do you expect out of the laptop?
cloud blade
:D
ashen veldt
@mild rivet what's this
mild rivet
Basically nothing
mild rivet
ashen veldt
Basically nothing
slate leaf
The first two lines are pretty easy, just use Avogadro's Number
The third row depends on the molecular weight
jovial island
Divide the no of particles by avogadros number to get no of moles
Apply unitary method to find no of particles when moles are given
And find out the mass of the given moles by multiplying them with their gram molecular mass
Wow I guess I remember chemistry a little bit ๐
anyone get the error python cant access network location when you download it
barren marsh
@jovial island when someone sends a message, you can click the pfp to see the user profile, which will show the tag
barren marsh
And if you've got developer mode enabled you can right-click the pfp and select "copy id" to get the user id
Which you can use to ping someone by doing <@userid>
jovial island
ok, thanks
hollow heart
are you super new to discord?
it can be overwhelming at first, and this particular server is also quite large
jovial island
are you super new to discord?
me?
I visit it time from time
but I always find it confusing :)
I haven't found a community that's been more willing to help than this one on this discord server
I've always found discord lacking, and wondering if there's something better
hollow heart
hmm yeah discord isn't perfect, but i think it's general pretty good
daring jay
I've always found discord lacking, and wondering if there's something better
If I may ask, what do you find lacking about it?
I agree that there are some things that suck about it, I'm just curious as to what you think as well.
jovial island
the left sidebar for example
let's say I want to contribute to a help channel while exploring other channels
daring jay
I wish you could "pin" certain channels at the top or smth.
jovial island
for example
yeah
also
I'm helping a person in a specific channel that hasn't closed it, but the user is looking for a solution
after half an hour, I won't remember the name of the channel
jovial island
like '@clever salmon'
daring jay
What's wrong with those?
jovial island
there are multiple versions
daring jay
yeah, but that's what discriminators (the numbers after the hashtag) are for
jovial island
yeah
daring jay
there's no way for two users to have the same username and discriminator afaik
jovial island
I think so too
daring jay
otherwise there'd be half a million wumpus#0001s
jovial island
but the 'descriminator' is not shown when messaging
daring jay
You can always click on the profile, but yeah, ig
jovial island
If I may ask, what do you find lacking about it?
I also want to say that I don't know of a better community
daring jay
I'm sure there are some better platforms too, but I don't think I'll find another community like this elsewhere.
jovial island
as for the community I agree. as for the better platforms ... not seeing it :)
is this the largest python community?
daring jay
probably
hazy laurel
largest Discord Python community
daring jay
It's probably the largest non-official one anywhere
I wonder if it's even bigger than the amount of people who've interacted (beyond just viewing) python/cpython
jovial island
largest *Discord* Python community
is there a bigger one?
hazy laurel
is there a bigger one?
on Discord? No
I imagine maybe things like Reddit or some forums are bigger, though
daring jay
Oh, you're definitely right
jovial island
sorry, not following
the biggest subreddit for python on reddit is /r/python ?
but as far as I can see
discord and /r/python are the same community?
hazy laurel
discord and /r/python are the same community?
um, no. they are not
jovial island
sorry
I've made assumtions, because there is a link on the homepage to /r/python : https://www.pythondiscord.com/
daring jay
We're partnered
jovial island
well then
daring jay
r/python also links to us
jovial island
my point stands :D
hazy laurel
does it?
daring jay
err, what is your point?
jovial island
ignore
wicked hollow
there's no way for two users to have the same username and discriminator afaik
not at the same time, but two users can have the same username plus discrim at different moments in time
daring jay
Good point
wicked hollow
all of the staff has a say in the rules, though the admins are the ones who officially own them I suppose
jovial island
who's the staff here? any[owners, admins, domain leads, project leads, moderators]?
jovial island
where do you make decisions? internal chat?
daring jay
there are multiple internal channels and github repositories, yes
jovial island
๐
daring jay
We do have #community-meta and https://git.pydis.com/meta for public suggestions and issues though
hollow heart
I've made assumtions, because there is a link on the homepage to /r/python : htt...
yeah we are partnered to the subreddit much more closely than i originally thought lol
jovial island
thanks for the answers
I don't have suggestions atm
just curiousity :)
curiosity
is there anyone among you that believes discord does not offer the best ui/ux?
wicked hollow
seems pretty tasteless to me
echo fern
Having duplicate element ids in HTML is supposed to be incorrect, right? Why don't I get an error for it?
hazy laurel
I don't think there's such a thing as an HTML/CSS error
echo fern
๐ฉ
echo fern
what kind of error are you expecting?
my browser telling me the html is weird, for one
like what it does for serious syntax errors, like unclosed tags
hollow heart
nah your browser will be like oop what's that? extra ID? i wouldn't have known if you didn't tell me!
median blade
will probably result in unexpected behavior when called in js/css
small cloak
fluid plank
hmm
vague coral
no idea
ionic locust
๐ 
upbeat sandal
@jovial island what you have called an edge case is really a base case.
def recursive_linear_search(lst, target):
if not lst:
return False
return (lst[0] == target) or recursive_linear_search(lst[1:], target)
@haughty nova the count argument isn't necessary
upbeat sandal
who said that you need to?
haughty nova
then whats the point of linear search lol
upbeat sandal
to determine if the value is there, not where it is
upbeat sandal
you can see from the asker's code that their function was returning True or False
you can actually do it with one expression
def recursive_linear_search(lst, target):
return bool(lst) and ((lst[0] == target) or recursive_linear_search(lst[1:], target))
yeah I know. I just thought it'd be easier to explain to him that way
But also, aren't they really the same
upbeat sandal
you can but then you get [] instead of False for the base case.
upbeat sandal
But also, aren't they really the same
just depends on how you choose to define things.
what is this, #esoteric-python?
upbeat sandal
just depends on how you choose to define things.
but also, I think understanding base cases is critical to understanding recursion
whereas edge cases are about robustness.
cursive willow
Divide the no of particles by avogadros number to get no of moles
Apply unitary...
Thank you very much
cursive willow
Wow I guess I remember chemistry a little bit ๐
Glad to hear
tawdry fog
My new pastime is going on tiktok and searching "ddosing" then joining script kiddies discord servers and calling them script kiddies, it's very fun.
Lmaoo someone posted this in one of the channels of the hacker discord server warning it has some foul language
hazy laurel
took me a while to realize the reason you censored it was because of "fuck"
brazen jacinth
took me a while to realize the reason you censored it was because of "fuck"
oh
quaint summit
eh, I used to be a script kid a long, long time ago. It was different back then though. Like the 90s-2000s. The Internet wasn't really a place of commerce yet. I consider a lot of what we did fairly innocent but childish. We didn't cause damage or monetary loss, but we booted people off the Internet and obnoxious stuff like that.
I grew up and learned to be pretty smart.
They might, too, if they don't do anything horribly stupid.
These days a script kid can cause a lot of damage.
TBH, the term script kid is kind of antiquated. Professional pentesters are using the same tools as those kids.
sinful sun
is this a monologue
quaint summit
They're sentences. You can read them or you can not read them.
sinful sun
are they directed at someone?
quaint summit
Yes, but not you
hollow heart
yeah the general public reading this channel
sinful sun
okay, just wondering cause it looks like a convo but i cant see the other side
quaint summit
I was replying to the earlier conversation. It was a few hours ago I see now. You can scroll up.
Here you might find this helpful
sinful sun
i think i already know how to use the internet lmao
boots up edge
real forum
i think i already know how to use the internet lmao
_boots up edge_
internet explorer
hazy laurel
like the Tom?
tawdry fog
eh, I used to be a script kid a long, long time ago. It was different back then ...
I was too, honesty not crazy long ago about 2 years I quickly grew out of it but 12 yr old me thought I was the sht
tawdry fog
took me a while to realize the reason you censored it was because of "fuck"
Yeah, Iโve read the rules however I still rarely see foul language so it feels weird to not warn abt it
hazy laurel
Yeah, Iโve read the rules however I still rarely see foul language so it feels w...
meh. apparently I don't say "fuck" as much as I thought
tawdry fog
Lol
tawdry fog
meh. apparently I don't say "fuck" as much as I thought
Iโve only like 10 times but havenโt in over like 9 months and donโt plan on it
dusky cliff
don't plan on it
I, on the other hand, schedule my usage of swear words months in advance
hazy laurel
you're right. I should say fuck more
tawdry fog
> don't plan on it
I, on the other hand, schedule my usage of swear words months...
Interesting, what apps do you use to keep track of youโre next redemption of a curse word?
dusky cliff
A notion page ๐
tawdry fog
Alright Iโll be looking into it! This is life changing
hollow heart
@crude boughplease, remain respectful of all community members. i'll be deleting that whole exchange since it's off topic for the channel
crude bough
<@!357922930598084609>please, remain respectful of all community members. i'll b...
Yeah I'm not staying quiet when someone is condescending
hollow heart
if you have an issue with someone being condescending, we definitely want to know
the proper way to report that is via @vapid maple
crude bough
True, will do
hollow heart
thank you!
crude bough
Sorry for my behaviour, but I hate when people do that
Especially in a learning server
And then take a victim role
hollow heart
well, i'd advise taking this as a learning opportunity for yourself. but i think you're cognizant of what you did and everyone is human (all parties involved), it's alright.
long stratus
visual slate
Nice, the control do be flowing
jovial kestrel
Just wondering, but is there any way to compile gentoo linux in vs code? because Id feel a lot more comfortable doing so...
hazy laurel
<@!584817706646110333> ew
I agree
ember oar
it's lemonade ๐น
why don't they have a lemonade emoji 
hollow heart
v true
ionic locust
<@!584817706646110333> ew
Didnโt you name this otn ๐น
hollow heart
no way lol
lmfao i did
impressive memory apple
unless you checked
impressively bad memory mina
carmine herald
ew
ashen veldt
@raw cosmos yes, me indian 
raw cosmos
https://tenor.com/view/cope-cope-harder-owned-bussin-cheese-burger-gif-21446979
no this gif
i meant
๐
cope-r
like the word caper
raw cosmos
nvm
ashen veldt
lol
raw cosmos
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717373525396291704/922076150191247380/7...
bru
raw cosmos
dee's nuts
fresh yarrow
I have a problem
Animal testing is also much more expensive than in vitro testing. More than **$16 billion of taxpayer money** is spent on Animal Testing, compared to the tiny $11,000 of in vitro testing.```
I dont know what to write next@raw cosmos help
@ashen veldt helpp
ashen veldt
I have a problem
wht even is this?
raw cosmos
wtf is this
fresh yarrow
an essay
ashen veldt
wow
raw cosmos
i got u homie, how much words
fresh yarrow
uhhh
ashen veldt
```
Animal testing is also much more expensive than in vitro testing. More than ...
google khol lijiye
fresh yarrow
there was no limit
fresh yarrow
google khol lijiye
?
ashen veldt
nvm
fresh yarrow
huh
raw cosmos
i got u homie, make ur sentence much more stupider because i can convert it into something more weirder
raw cosmos
Animal testing is withal much more sumptuous than in vitro testing. More than $16 billion of taxpayer mazuma is spent on Animal Testing, compared to the minuscule $11,000 of in vitro testing.
how complex this looking @fresh yarrow
more complexity
now your teacher will think you're smart B)
fluid haven
Help hundreds of people, no one bats an eye, eat yellow snow once and you get an otn.
raw cosmos
what
odd sphinx
Help hundreds of people, no one bats an eye, eat yellow snow once and you get an...
literally me
dusky cliff
!otn a zee eats yellow snow too
clever salmonBOT
:ok_hand: Added zee-eats-yellow-snow-too to the names list.
gilded plank
can one see the log time of a phone ? like every time it went out of battery nd turn on etc
rare moat
what seems to be the problem
haughty lion
@rare moat Could you help with some string concatenation?
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main{
char str[6] = "ABCD";
char ch = 'E';
printf("Original String: %s\n", str);
printf("Character to be appended: %c\n", ch);
strcat(str, &ch);
printf("Appended String: %s\n", str);
return 0;
}
This code keeps giving me a "illegal hardware instruction" error.... how do i solve it?
rare moat
o_O as in, an error at runtime?
rare moat
well first things first, strcat accepts a char* which is terminated by a NULL byte.
haughty lion
ooooh
rare moat
also this
civic wharf
no telling what happened there.. probably nothing good
haughty lion
one second lemme change this
echo fern
TFW RUST HAS MACROS
@rare moat
How did you spend so much time absorbing Rust via cultural osmosis and didn't see these wonderful things?
macro_rules! back_to_enum {
($(#[$meta:meta])* $vis:vis enum $name:ident {
$($(#[$vmeta:meta])* $vname:ident $(= $val:expr)?,)*
}) => {
$(#[$meta])*
$vis enum $name {
$($(#[$vmeta])* $vname $(= $val)?,)*
}
impl std::convert::TryFrom<u8> for $name {
type Error = ();
#[inline]
fn try_from(v: u8) -> Result<Self, Self::Error> {
match v {
$(x if x == $name::$vname as u8 => Ok($name::$vname),)*
_ => Err(()),
}
}
}
}
}
thanks so much @rare moat i literally spent an hour ramming my head against a wall
rare moat
no problem
rare moat
> TFW RUST HAS MACROS
<@!191434789444780033>
How did you spend so much time abso...
C U L T U R A L O S M O S I S
i am undergoing mitosis right now
echo fern
๐ณ
rare moat
i am a Cell
echo fern
an UnsafeCell?
rare moat
damn fucking right haha
echo flower
i am undergoing mitosis right now
so are you goo#1 or goo#2?
rare moat
yes
jovial island
!code
clever salmonBOT
rare moat
Aradia or Niko?
fluid plank
an UnsafeCell?
dont forget to buy them on the counter. just to be safe
jovial island
Do you guys know a good android game emulator for macos with apple silicon that wont fry my laptop?
pallid wagon
@frail cobalt what kind of book are you writing?
Ah ok
And what are you doing in statmech
๐
We're in off topic
Sounds interesting, how are you modelling/predicting?
Yes it's ot
Any you can link?
I wasn't aware they open sourced that stuff
How did you get it then ๐
At Google?
Sounds kinda sus
A few years
Suspicious
Like dodging questions
ember oar
Yeah definitely
I was a bit confused at first with the OT's too haha, you'll get used to it eventually tho
pallid wagon
So is it your stuff or Google's
Lol
I mean sure yeah
But I'm about to go soon
ะ ะ ะพััะธะธ?
Nice
Yeah it's insane
I think about it sometimes
We have so much information available that we don't do anything with it
๐
hidden kernel
hollow heart
that's exactly what we object to
sure, it's incredibly insensitive and dismissive to those that have intellectual disabilities. i suggest you do outside research on your own on this topic
my message was directed at you
that's ok, you only have to abide by our #rules and #code-of-conduct
sorry i don't have the time to educate you on this, i suggest researching on your own if you wish to understand
sinful bloom
Can some 1 help me:/
the messages disappeared from me, sorry
@frail cobalt but can you help me?
frail cobalt
I do understand everything about it 10000%
pastel nest
molten hazel
so PyCereal_Type and PyCerealObject are not the same person?
hazy laurel
nope
molten hazel
that's weird
hazy laurel
is it? D:
molten hazel
yes because so far I was just "oh this dude is PyCereal" and now you tell me that sometimes it's not you
your internal structure?
so he's like your large intestine?
echo flower
wtf
molten hazel
wtf
that's what I'm wondering about too
I have no idea what this means
my approach is much easier
you're a person, they're a person, you say they're your internal things, so they're your large intestine
I'll need some time to figure out how someone's large intestine is a person though, that bit isn't clear yet
echo flower
surebuddy
molten hazel
why do you need the & there?
or the ;
oh you're not writing in python
shame on you
echo flower
oh you're not writing in python
this is modifying python itself
molten hazel
okay I'm lost, but I'm too tired to find myself, so let's just say everyone is right and everyone knows everything, including me because why not
echo flower
lmfao ur username
jovial island
lol
wicked hollow
I like this one though ๐
daring jay
js is honestly not that bad
sure, it has some weird stuff, but you can write good code in it
small cloak
Eye of the storm
ionic locust
@vocal jewel re your bool question, it might be helpful for you to know that if neither __bool__ nor __len__ are defined, the object will evaluate to True
median blade
We call this the "JS Stockholm Syndrome"
lol
vocal jewel
@ionic locust Thanks for that, I have __len__ defined, so that's why
hazy laurel
ehhh let me find that one blog post by the GNOME dev
there are more cases out there, but this is the only one I can consistently find
hazy laurel
the TL; DR is that System76 likes to do some annoying stuff to get more users on Pop!_OS
one such thing is fixing issues on their end and never contributing upstream
which has landed them on the bad side of plenty of people
one such people being the GNOME developers
AFAIK Canonical is also a bit unhappy with them
and the whole "Installing Steam broke my entire system" thing was really weird
rare kernel
Oh I see
hazy laurel
plus a lot of the "merit" that Pop!_OS supposedly had is all lies
rare kernel
Lies?
hazy laurel
people like to say "omg but Pop!_OS has EZ NVIDIA drivers" when in reality it's just an installer option on any Ubuntu flavor that you just tick a little box
hazy laurel
and their super special GNOME tiling extension, which is available on all distributions that have GNOME
rare kernel
Now I realised a lot of stuff
hazy laurel
pop!_os has ez nvidia drivers
yes and so does like every distribution now
rare kernel
Hmm, so like should I switch then?
hazy laurel
but Pop!_OS markets like they're the only one who does
rare kernel
Because I really don't want to
hazy laurel
Hmm, so like should I switch then?
meh, that's up to you. I personally wouldn't trust Pop!_OS, though
especially with that tragic Steam thing
rare kernel
I give the article the read
hazy laurel
and their weird push of non-LTS
hazy laurel
idk if you've ever seen LTT, but they happened to do their series or whatever during that
rare kernel
Linus tech tips
hazy laurel
Linus tried to install Steam and it uninstalled like all of GNOME
rare kernel
I know them
rare kernel
Linus tried to install Steam and it uninstalled like all of GNOME
What the
How does that happen
hazy laurel
I never read into it, honestly
supposedly it went on for like a whole week
people just tragically ruining their installs
hazy laurel
I wonder if it would've been a problem on an LTS release ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I still dunno why the heck anyone would favor non-LTS
rare kernel
Hmm could be
rare kernel
I still dunno why the heck anyone would favor non-LTS
Lazy people
People still use ubuntu 16 or 14
hazy laurel
Lazy people usually won't notice the difference ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rare kernel
Well, this tempts me to change but pop!_os never gave me issues really
hazy laurel
I've just been chilling on KDE Neon
rare kernel
Also pop!_os did make an article over GNOME
That they want to switch and gnome gives issues
hazy laurel
if/when I get a new computer, I'm probably switching over to openSUSE again
hazy laurel
That they want to switch and gnome gives issues
They now have their own fork of GNOME called Cosmic or something
which IMO is just another horrible idea
rare kernel
If I ever wanted to switch, I would definitely go on garuda
hazy laurel
the more they branch off, the less stuff will work
rare kernel
Or an arch based distro
Tbh, that's the only distro that has been reliable for years
hazy laurel
Or an arch based distro
I must admit I reacted with a gag, I'm sorry
hazy laurel
Arch? No
rare kernel
Ah okay
hazy laurel
Arch derived distributions? Yes
rare kernel
Oh so what should use then
hazy laurel
So you know how Pop!_OS only rid people of the DE
Garuda rid people of their entire home directories
when you enabled some setting
meaning people lost like 99% of their stuff, not just a DE
all of ~ gone poof
rare kernel
What the fuc
hazy laurel
as a general rule of thumb
Arch derivatives suck, and Ubuntu derivatives suck
There's a handful or distros that I myself think are actually worth using
rare kernel
Oh well
I thought garuda was good
I watched distrotube and he said a lot of good things about garuda and pop
hazy laurel
Those are:
Ubuntu (& flavors or KDE Neon)
openSUSE Leap/Tumbleweed
Fedora (if you like GNOME, I guess)
rare kernel
Ah I see
hazy laurel
I watched distrotube and he said a lot of good things about garuda and pop
oh gosh. that guy
that's another thing, too
all of the YouTubers are usually weirdos
who have like no idea what they're doing
rare kernel
I don't think distrotube is one them though
hazy laurel
you might often see a lot of people joke about how awful the Linux scene is on YouTube
rare kernel
you might often see a lot of people joke about how awful the Linux scene is on Y...
Yeah true
Old crappy tutorials with no proper explanation yes
hazy laurel
I don't think distrotube is one them though
hmm... nope, I think he was the guy who complained about people not accounting for fish not being a POSIX compliant shell
someone here I think tried to say that it was just a shitpost meme
but... I think he was being serious
rare kernel
Well here's the thing, pop!_os has never gave me issues and I have been using well over an year
hazy laurel
for the record, /bin/sh is meant to be a POSIX compliant shell
rare kernel
Oh
hazy laurel
some distros use dash, some use bash in POSIX-compliance mode
hazy laurel
kinda yeah
he set sh (which should be a POSIX-compliant shell e.g. dash/bash) to fish (which is not POSIX-compliant)
which causes problems for scripts that try to use /bin/sh, expecting it to be POSIX-compliant
rare kernel
Lmao that's not gonna work
hazy laurel
and he had this whole rant about it
rare kernel
I should be careful who I watch now then
rare kernel
Ah man, I just want a distro that does things and is super chill
rare kernel
YouTube sucks
hazy laurel
Ah man, I just want a distro that does things and is super chill
the Ubuntu flavors are great IMO
rare kernel
I actually used ubuntu before
hazy laurel
You can never go wrong with an Ubuntu flavor
rare kernel
But it caused me a lot of issues though
hazy laurel
In which regard?
rare kernel
Yeah I did frick up stuff but I had to deal with annoying bugs
hazy laurel
Usually you're fine if it's an LTS ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rare kernel
In which regard?
Well, sometimes my drivers would vanish
hazy laurel
and if your hardware isn't stupidly new
hazy laurel
if it worked on Pop!_OS, it'd have worked on Ubuntu
Pop!_OS doesn't do anything other than plug their own stuff
rare kernel
About hardware, setting up nvidia was bit complicated
hazy laurel
on Ubuntu? Nah
if you didn't tick the option during the install, all you do is install via apt
ubuntu-drivers will help you find a driver to install
rare kernel
Yeah I did that
hazy laurel
ubuntu-drivers list and then install the one you want
rare kernel
mhm yeah but sometimes the updates caused issues with nvidia drivers or corrupted dpkg
rare kernel
Well it would just be me probably doing some stupid stuff that caused it but I was naive and I didn't believe that
I like how pop!_os worked and looked
hazy laurel
perhaps you were on non-LTS
rare kernel
So I decided to switch
rare kernel
perhaps you were on non-LTS
I don't think so, but I don't remember anymore
hazy laurel
idk how you'd have needed to update anything ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rare kernel
Anyways thanks for the insight though
hazy laurel
glad I could be insightful, I guess lol
merry cobalt
Anyone seen matrix4 yet?
merry cobalt
yeah the newspaper roasted it af
hazy laurel
should be #!/usr/bin/env python3
merry cobalt
but i got it home thinking of watching it tho
merry cobalt
how can u ? dont wanna ruin the nostalgia with the first epic one?
hazy laurel
never even saw it lol
merry cobalt
other movie i wait for is new batman it seems cool
merry cobalt
never even saw it lol
what the actual fuzz