tall sparrow Nov 1, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Shortened the perl script down to just the essential pieces, the other parts were just creating spreadsheet xls files

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:15 PM

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omg perl

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:16 PM

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dude must have been ol school linux user

tall sparrow Nov 1, 2021, 7:16 PM

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But this is the only script that was ever shared around, and this extracts the tgx file into a Data folder

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Kohan mod statistics collector written in Perl, version 0.1.3

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:17 PM

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that's why I would like more than one set of ini+tgx (even two would be good, just so I have something to compare) 🙂

tall sparrow Nov 1, 2021, 7:17 PM

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Is it cool if I link the git I've set up for this?

round moss Nov 1, 2021, 7:17 PM

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jesus christ that is some god awful perl

tall sparrow Nov 1, 2021, 7:17 PM

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It has tgx files and ini files in there.

round moss Nov 1, 2021, 7:18 PM

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ye, you can link to gh repos

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:18 PM

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tall sparrow Is it cool if I link the git I've set up for this?

ye. you could even just send me the files - as long as I know which files make a set, I can take a look 🙂

tall sparrow Nov 1, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Probably simpler to send them over discord yeah. Alrighty, files incoming

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:20 PM

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I'd like to see the GH for cursiousity

tawdry fog Nov 1, 2021, 7:21 PM

#

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This mans did not

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:21 PM

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is the a proper noun

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clap back at them

tawdry fog Nov 1, 2021, 7:21 PM

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sinful sun is `the` a proper noun

That too

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but the last line

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"should I invite alessandro?"

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He didn't capitalize his name...

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:22 PM

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is a name a proper noun

tawdry fog Nov 1, 2021, 7:22 PM

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yes...

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:22 PM

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What is in a name?

tawdry fog Nov 1, 2021, 7:22 PM

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calm bolt What is in a name?

Characters.

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:22 PM

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idk what a proper noun is tbh

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:23 PM

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@sinful sun really?

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:23 PM

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im not english, why should i

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:23 PM

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non-native english speaker?

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:23 PM

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tall sparrow Probably simpler to send them over discord yeah. Alrighty, files incoming

I'm raiding at the moment, will take a look later 🙂

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:23 PM

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sorry

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:23 PM

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lmao no worries

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:23 PM

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You're English is really good, I couldn't tell

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A proper noun would be your name, like Bill

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as opposed to just him

tall sparrow Nov 1, 2021, 7:24 PM

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tribal tinsel I'm raiding at the moment, will take a look later 🙂

Thank you for the help and interest in the problem, I really appreciate that.

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:24 PM

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ohhh classic raids

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which one, MC?

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:25 PM

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@tall sparrow it is cool that the community is still passionate for such an old game

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:25 PM

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sinful sun idk what a proper noun is tbh

basically a name, not only person's name
the Moon vs a moon

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:25 PM

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sinful sun which one, MC?

we're in TBC now
Tempest Keep, the Eye

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:25 PM

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oh dang

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lmao time is a flat circle it seems, blizzard is restarting the timeline

tall sparrow Nov 1, 2021, 7:26 PM

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calm bolt <@!121360081777459200> it is cool that the community is still passionate for suc...

It's a great game. No other RTS like it, imo. It's old and a bit of a pain to get working for windows 10, but sometimes games just don't get proper sequels, and you're forced to stick with the old game if you want the same experience.

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:26 PM

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when it catches up to wrath i might rejoin

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wrath baby gang

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:26 PM

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I coulda sworn classic W0W had a map...

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like the little in game map

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:36 PM

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calm bolt I coulda sworn classic W0W had a map...

yes? minimap in the corner? or map under M?

calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:36 PM

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minimap in corner

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:37 PM

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calm bolt Nov 1, 2021, 7:37 PM

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I swear when I tried WoW classic it wasn't there...

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:39 PM

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sinful sun which one, MC?

+MC was first raid of vanilla
we haven't been in MC in a looong time 😛

echo fern Nov 1, 2021, 7:40 PM

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playing minecraft even in wow, smh my head 😔

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:41 PM

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wait, does my profile still say minecraft? XD

echo fern Nov 1, 2021, 7:41 PM

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MC 🙂

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:43 PM

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...oh, right XD

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Molten Core

sinful sun Nov 1, 2021, 7:43 PM

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MC wasnt first

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what about onyxia

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and that troll one

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were those in classic?

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 7:44 PM

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sinful sun and that troll one

Zul Gurub was phase 3

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or 2

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Phase 1 - Onyxia and Molten Core - Released August 26th, 2019
Phase 2 - Release Date: November 12th, 2019 - Honor System and World Bosses
Phase 3 - Release Date: February 12th - Blackwing Lair
Phase 4 - Release Date April 2020 - Zul'Gurub and Arathi Basin
Phase 5 - Release Date - Ahn'Qiraj
Phase 6 - Release Date - Naxxramas

that's from some guide on Classic Wowhead

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we're now on 2nd phase of TBC

vital crown Nov 1, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Did WoW classic move into TBC?

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 8:25 PM

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vital crown Did WoW classic move into TBC?

yes

vital crown Nov 1, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Aw man, I kinda thought it'd be like eternal vanilla

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 8:28 PM

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oh, there was split!

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and if you wanted your character to be in both, you had to pay

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and now Blizzard wants to release vanilla again, but this time with some changes. Season of Mastery they call it

vital crown Nov 1, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Ah, ok, so you can still do pure vanilla if you want to

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So it'll be kinda like those seasons they have in Diablo 3 nowadays

tribal tinsel Nov 1, 2021, 8:29 PM

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idk about the state of classic-classic servers, I think most people moved to TBC and continued progressing

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 2:09 AM

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@jovial island maybe it's an assignment and they're specifically being asked to use certain functions, you don't know. in general I try to help with what they know or what they're trying to do and then show them alternative preferred ways

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there's nothing wrong with learning how to use the round function

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 2:09 AM

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Is that even guaranteed to convert to string with that many digits?

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floats don't even have digits, it doesn't make sense.

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it may be that they should look up documentation for string formatting floats

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 2:10 AM

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yeah, that's my main beef with round. it doesn't make sense

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 2:10 AM

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but that's unlikely to happen.

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and you basically have to show that, there's no figuring that out

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I WILL AGREE the timing sucked

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people shouldn't be allowed to use floats while learning xD

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 2:12 AM

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In [4]: round(2.50)
Out[4]: 2

In [5]: round(2.51)
Out[5]: 3

who has done this >:(

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 2:13 AM

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nearest even number go brrr

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 2:14 AM

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python uses bankers rounding but

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that's not .. relevant

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ok

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 2:14 AM

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they should teach decimal if they're gonna use ... decimals

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petition to move the float type to some obscure nested module

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and remove the literals

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 2:15 AM

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oh i have no idea of the context. i just don't like the round function

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 2:16 AM

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context is I showed how to do it with f-string when they were dealing with an error in their use of round

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so they didn't solve the error, jumping to my example

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 2:16 AM

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with some insults thrown in too i see

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 2:17 AM

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there was plenty of time to read what error they got in their attempt before jumping in

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that's all i ask

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they passed a list to their round function, had you read more closely you would have seen that and guided them to see why they were getting that error

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or, what i would have done

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 2:19 AM

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so uhm are we mad at each other now or do we simply both agree that went wrong?

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please don't teach people to misuse float, though.

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 2:20 AM

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what went wrong?

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 2:20 AM

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misuse float
huh?

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 2:21 AM

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jovial island and remove the literals

...why?

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floats are great

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how else are you going to process decimals

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 2:21 AM

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grr

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Or do you mean replace it with decimal.Decimal?

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 2:21 AM

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tbh, i would be totally happy with decimal.Decimal being the default

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Yeah I'd be fine with that, but not get rid of the literal

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 2:22 AM

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well they don't bother me for my own use. in that way I don't mind.

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but beginners constantly expect them to behave as decimal does

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I think they've been in school too much.

dusky cliff Nov 2, 2021, 2:23 AM

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i mean, its not an unreasonable expectation

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also considering that python ints aren't limited like in other langs

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 2:24 AM

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daring jay Yeah I'd be fine with that, but not get rid of the literal

just make the literals create decimals instead of floats

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 2:24 AM

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mhm

dim root Nov 2, 2021, 5:21 AM

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sup @lucid girder could you share the playlist you listen to while you are streaming on Twitch?

lucid girder Nov 2, 2021, 5:22 AM

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which one?

dim root Nov 2, 2021, 5:23 AM

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the one you were listening to yesterday

lucid girder Nov 2, 2021, 5:23 AM

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The last stream I did was a 10 hour stream, you're going to have to be more specific on the song you want.

dim root Nov 2, 2021, 5:24 AM

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hmm, just gimme any1 of them, don't remember the name

lucid girder Nov 2, 2021, 5:24 AM

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https://open.spotify.com/album/7CYDRyFCKtAYJBSpfovLyX?si=yGNYgLwxQKS7VR3Z0pSVDw

Spotify

Minecraft - Volume Beta

C418 · Album · 2013 · 30 songs.

dim root Nov 2, 2021, 5:25 AM

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cool thanks

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:30 AM

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is it just me who has this Discord bug on Linux

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I had that before

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just wait for it to load

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:31 AM

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worldly harness just wait for it to load

it never loads

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and it's only a problem on Linux

dusky cliff Nov 2, 2021, 5:31 AM

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lemon_smug

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:31 AM

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shut

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blame Discord for being so mean

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stupid Linux "support" hmph

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 5:32 AM

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I'm on windows web and when I had that I waited for like 1 to 2 mins and it loaded

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:32 AM

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They never load for me

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 5:32 AM

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theres discord desktop on linux?

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:32 AM

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like ever

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:32 AM

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worldly harness theres discord desktop on linux?

Well of course

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 5:32 AM

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wew discord is nicer than I expected

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:32 AM

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it's just terrible quality because there's not a single Discord Linux desktop dev

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not a single one

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 5:33 AM

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add braces

dim root Nov 2, 2021, 5:35 AM

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hazy laurel and it's only a problem on Linux

hmmm not for me

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:35 AM

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rip

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I'm cursed

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I wonder if it's a Wayland thing

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Nim-like variable naming 👀

dim root Nov 2, 2021, 5:36 AM

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make it work like Java

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mandatory class with main function

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:37 AM

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https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#lexical-analysis-identifier-equality

dusky cliff Nov 2, 2021, 5:37 AM

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make userdefined infix operators

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like, idk,

>>> infix ~(x, y) = abs(x - y)
>>> 2 ~ 3
1

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F

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hmph you've already done better lambdas

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:40 AM

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welp

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I sleep meow

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goof knight

dusky cliff Nov 2, 2021, 5:40 AM

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meow

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:40 AM

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meow

dusky cliff Nov 2, 2021, 5:40 AM

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good nyaaight

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:40 AM

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uwu

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scroll up? \🤔

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it's the section right above that

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Identifier equality

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idk, sounds fun ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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plus it's something that I've wished Python has had for a while

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no it wouldn't

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huh

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Isn't consistency a large part of the Zen of Python

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uh

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I'd think the opposite

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say you import a module

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all the methods are camelCase

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your code is primarily snake_case, as per standard

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you either live with the inconsistency or you go against standard with camelCase

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but then you end up importing modules that are snake_case anyways

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C modules.

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things like cv2

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they are in camelCase

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this allows programmers to be more in charge of the consistency in their program

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and I argue it complicates hardly anything

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It allows programmers to mostly use their own preferred spelling style, be it humpStyle or snake_style, and libraries written by different programmers cannot use incompatible conventions. A Nim-aware editor or IDE can show the identifiers as preferred. Another advantage is that it frees the programmer from remembering the exact spelling of an identifier. The exception with respect to the first letter allows common code like var foo: Foo to be parsed unambiguously.

dusky cliff Nov 2, 2021, 5:47 AM

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i think you can do it in pure python lol
just hook into variable assignments and everytime there's a snake_case insert, insert snakeCase too

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and so on

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:47 AM

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yeah I've done that in the past but it's quite messy

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yes

dusky cliff Nov 2, 2021, 5:47 AM

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ye

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 5:48 AM

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I wish you the best of luck

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keep me apprised \😩

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I shall now commence sleep protocols

steel eagle Nov 2, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Man, I love windows

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I managed to, due to user error, screw up my efi partition and boot information when I cloned my SSD

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Took only a couple of minutes to rebuild a new one from a recovery disk

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I'd have been sitting for hours trying to fix an issue with GRUB or something

median blade Nov 2, 2021, 6:18 AM

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dusky cliff good nyaaight

🤣

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 6:33 AM

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make type hints required

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nah thats a bad idea linters already do that

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how about

>>> let x be 1
>>> print(x)
1

dim root Nov 2, 2021, 6:34 AM

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go bugs.python.org, see feature issues

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implement that

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 6:38 AM

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or macros

>>> unless = macro quote(expr), quote(body), quote(alternative): unquote(body) if not unquote(expr) else unquote(alternative)
>>> unless(1 != 1, print("all good"), print("math broke"))
all good
>>>

steel eagle Nov 2, 2021, 6:39 AM

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Or an until loop

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So install of while i > 0: ...
until i == 0: ...

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 6:41 AM

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oh yeah or just make unless built-in and don't bother about macros lol

unless 1 != 1:
    print("all good")
else:
    print("math broke")

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niceee

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Hey @vague shadow, can you send a link to the server that has kirby gunner?

vague shadow Nov 2, 2021, 9:01 AM

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jovial island Hey <@!126811506632294400>, can you send a link to the server that has kirby gun...

It's from DMD 😅

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:01 AM

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Of course it is, haha

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Well, guess not then akarys_pensive

vague shadow Nov 2, 2021, 9:02 AM

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jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Yesssss, come to me partygopher !

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That's a cute one

real forum Nov 2, 2021, 9:32 AM

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Why does a go server have such cute emojis and stickers

normal quartz Nov 2, 2021, 9:37 AM

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that's why

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cuz it's a go server

echo fern Nov 2, 2021, 9:39 AM

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they have to lure them in somehow 👀

real forum Nov 2, 2021, 9:40 AM

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True lmao

worldly harness Nov 2, 2021, 10:05 AM

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normal quartz cuz it's a go server

because gophews good wustaceans bad

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(also apparently gophers are cuter than snakes)

fluid plank Nov 2, 2021, 11:05 AM

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echo fern they have to lure them in *somehow* 👀

no one likes ferris because they spiky crabby

echo fern Nov 2, 2021, 11:09 AM

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fluid plank no one likes ferris because they spiky crabby

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/579331467000283136.png

fluid plank Nov 2, 2021, 11:10 AM

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echo fern https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/579331467000283136.png

no...... ah fuck im loving this qt crab

echo fern Nov 2, 2021, 11:11 AM

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fluid plank no...... ah fuck im loving this qt crab

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/803978520031133696.png

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and then, when your guard is down, it turns out...

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761444683636932639.png

fluid plank Nov 2, 2021, 11:15 AM

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to kill me? sad

tight shore Nov 2, 2021, 11:30 AM

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Elementor is not opening in 000webhost , anybody knows how to fix it ?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 12:39 PM

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@jovial island yeah but they'll get that using pass too, that's caused by the if-statement, not the continue

#

Wdym?

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the print is in the else, so if the condition is satisfied, the printing is skipped

#

!e

for i in range(10):
  if i == 5:
    continue
  else:
    print(i)

clever salmonBOT Nov 2, 2021, 12:41 PM

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@jovial island :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 12:41 PM

#

!e

for i in range(10):
  if i == 5:
    pass
  else:
    print(i)

clever salmonBOT Nov 2, 2021, 12:41 PM

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@jovial island :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 12:42 PM

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Seems correct

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And ur right, it's due to how the if statements are implemented in this case

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so it doesn't demonstrate continue x) it's just a no-op

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Exactly 😄

tribal tinsel Nov 2, 2021, 2:16 PM

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echo fern https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761444683636932639.png

Me wants

gray belfry Nov 2, 2021, 5:07 PM

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👀

foggy moon Nov 2, 2021, 5:25 PM

#

steel eagle Nov 2, 2021, 6:15 PM

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tar -zxf bomb.tar

shrewd lance Nov 2, 2021, 6:18 PM

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tar --help brainmon

round moss Nov 2, 2021, 6:18 PM

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tar x

hazy laurel Nov 2, 2021, 6:18 PM

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tar bomba

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:21 PM

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here

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or wait

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let me try in new cell first

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okaay hello

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u here idk ur name

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:23 PM

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shouldn't have mattered

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:23 PM

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it printed

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after 7 mins

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somehow

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:23 PM

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mhm, what are you computing

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:23 PM

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the data is pretty big however, 373 columns and 127k rows

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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csv file?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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yes

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shift + enter on the cell again and the printed result is gone

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ok it printed

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takes a couple seconds tho

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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yeah i believe it

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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The kernel appears to have died. It will restart automatically.

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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i think the biggest csv i deal with is several million

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

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my computer sucks as well, i have a 2018 macbook air, took me an hour to open the csv file alone

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building a pc this black friday

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

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opening with python? or just macos

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

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macos

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

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whatever you do don't open it with excel

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

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nop numbers

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

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can you open it in a super plain text editor

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that should be faster

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:26 PM

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hollow heart whatever you do don't open it with excel

why not lol my other comp took 15 secs to open it w excel

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its windows tho

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:26 PM

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and what are those machine's specs

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:27 PM

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dont know exactly its my dad some lenovo

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company's laptop so i believe it would be faster

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what do u use? @hollow heart You said u work with csv files as wlel

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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i'm testing loading this 10 million row csv in vs code right now. let's see

#

12 million*

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[12670108 rows x 10 columns]
0:00:10.595457

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

#

bruh

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

#

the csv is 1.01GB

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

#

custom built or prebuilt

#

ur comp

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

#

prebuilt

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

#

hollow heart the csv is 1.01GB

hemlock

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nice, what is it

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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dell optiplex.. smth

#

#

it's a work computer

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

#

nicee

#

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vZWFcT

System Builder

#

^

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:36 PM

#

so anyway, the reason i said don't open in excel is because at that size when you try to filter and sort it will lag and crash if the file is big enough

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

@hollow heart

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

mhm

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

String index out of range? There's literally 373 columns tho

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 7:58 PM

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show your data?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:59 PM

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there's 173k rows

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

are you trying to just get the column names? row names?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 7:59 PM

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filtering out rows i dont want

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 7:59 PM

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thats not how you filter rows

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

and what's the criteria

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 7:59 PM

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how do you want to filter

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:00 PM

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filtering based on labels.. is so much nicer than based on integer positions

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:00 PM

#

hollow heart and what's the criteria

if column[-16] has 220 then keeo

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:00 PM

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what's the name of that column

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:00 PM

#

gtcbsa

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

df[df.iloc[:, -16] == "220"]

#

try this

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

? whats iloc?

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

index based selection

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:02 PM

#

but values 220 only exist in column[-16]? whats wrong w my code?

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:02 PM

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it'd be easier if you chould show us a slice of your df

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:03 PM

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vc?

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:03 PM

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df.head()

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:03 PM

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whats .head()?

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:03 PM

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grabs the first 5 rows

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across all columns

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Shows the top few rows of a dataframe object

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I think the columns get truncated too?

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Like the first 3 and the last 2 or something like that

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:04 PM

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not usually

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:04 PM

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vc so i can show data?

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:04 PM

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unless it's uber big

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you have 3 people willing to help you via text

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:04 PM

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373 cols they said

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373 cols sounds like a mistake tbh

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:04 PM

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?

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:04 PM

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what on earth are you storing anyway

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:05 PM

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print(df.columns) and print(df.index)

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:05 PM

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(You can post pictures in off-topic)

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(Also copy & paste terminal output)

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:05 PM

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and send 300 pics?

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there's 120k rows and 373 columns

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:06 PM

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I mean 1 is better than none

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Right now I have no idea what your data looks like

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:06 PM

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there

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Alrighty, and you want to filter it based on the value of the 16th to last column?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:07 PM

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yes

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:07 PM

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What is the column name

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:07 PM

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gtcbsa

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this shit doesnt even print the entire thing bruh thats the problem

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:08 PM

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df[df.loc["gtcbsa"] == "220"] try this now that you have a label

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:08 PM

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I'll recommend mariosis' solution: df[df.iloc["gtcbsa"] == "220"]

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:09 PM

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i really dont wanna use iloc bc they havent taught us that yet but lemme try

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:09 PM

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use .loc with labels

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.iloc is for indexes

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and slices

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also loc/iloc are the pandas bread and butter

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not being taught them is no excuse for not using them

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:10 PM

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wait your .loc is in the wrong spot

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:10 PM

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they;ll just give me a zero lol

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yk how schools are

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ight just ignore ill figure it out

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thanks

sinful sun Nov 2, 2021, 8:10 PM

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bruh just try it

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now im curious

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:11 PM

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df.loc[df["gtcbsa"] == "220"]
or
df.loc[df["gtcbsa"] == 220] if it's numbers

slate leaf Nov 2, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Mina saving the pandas

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:12 PM

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my real title is pandas helper not python helper

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:13 PM

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hollow heart `df.loc[df["gtcbsa"] == "220"]` or `df.loc[df["gtcbsa"] == 220]` if it's numbers

worked

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but still cant use loc so

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:13 PM

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that first attempt looked like some funky list comp

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:14 PM

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lmaoo

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its how they want us to do it lmao

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:14 PM

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actually you know

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:14 PM

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sucks but u gotta do it that way

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:14 PM

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df[df["gtcbsa"] == "220"]
df[df["gtcbsa"] == 200]

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there, it works without loc too dogekek

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they can't say you're wrong then

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:15 PM

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lolol ok

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:15 PM

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hollow heart `df[df["gtcbsa"] == "220"]` `df[df["gtcbsa"] == 200]`

TypeError: invalid type comparison

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:16 PM

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do only 1 or the other, not both

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:16 PM

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works when == 220

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instead of '220'

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:17 PM

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makes sense, must be numbers in that column

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print(df.dtypes)

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yeah so they're all ints or floats

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:19 PM

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gtcbsa int64

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:19 PM

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which is why "200"doesn't work

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hm i don't get a type comparison error though. just an empty df

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:21 PM

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prolluy

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lol

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:21 PM

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i have no idea what that is lol

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:21 PM

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list comprehension

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:21 PM

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what is it supposed to be? the end result

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a list of what tho

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:22 PM

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list of all rows that has 200 at column[-16]

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it should get rid of the rest

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:22 PM

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specifically a list though? not a dataframe?

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filtered = df[df["gtcbsa"] == 200]

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just do that

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:22 PM

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lol ok

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:22 PM

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that's a dataframe though

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:22 PM

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thanks

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:25 PM

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hollow heart `df[df["gtcbsa"] == "220"]` `df[df["gtcbsa"] == 200]`

this shows [769 rows x 388 columns] but when i ctrl f on excel it shows 800 something

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just ignore ill figure it out my bad

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:25 PM

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why would you CTRL+F? you should filter that specific column only

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like you have had 200 in other cells, excel would find those

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:25 PM

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wanted to double check, jupyter nb doesnt even show that specific column and the vlaues in there bc of how big it is, so stupid

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lemme do this in vim so i can actually look at the entire data and make sure bc jupyter nb is stupid

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:33 PM

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you can select which columns appear

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print(filtered[['column1', 'column3', 'gtcbsa']])

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:36 PM

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hollow heart `print(filtered[['column1', 'column3', 'gtcbsa']])`

list_x = df[df["okklmo"] == 220 or df["okklmo"] == 740 or df["okklmo"] == 800]
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pandas/core/generic.py", line 1537, in __nonzero__
    raise ValueError(
ValueError: The truth value of a Series is ambiguous. Use a.empty, a.bool(), a.item(), a.any() or a.all().

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:37 PM

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no or and and in pandas boolean filtering.. doesn't work the way you'd think

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use & and |

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:37 PM

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ok

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:39 PM

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hollow heart use `&` and `|`

list_x = df[df["okklmo"] == 220 | df["okklmo"] == 740 | df["okklmo"] == 800]
File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pandas/core/generic.py", line 1537, in nonzero
raise ValueError(
ValueError: The truth value of a Series is ambiguous. Use a.empty, a.bool(), a.item(), a.any() or a.all().

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:39 PM

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parenthesis around each condition

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:40 PM

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im stupid imma stop bugging u now lol

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:40 PM

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noo problem these are all issues i faced when trying to learn it..

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:41 PM

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figured lol im stupid

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:41 PM

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list_x = df[(df["okklmo"] == 220) | (df["okklmo"] == 740) | (df["okklmo"] == 800)]

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idk if there's a better way to do that tho

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:42 PM

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print(filter[['eemmMM', 'WSSSHF', 'okkk223']])
TypeError: 'type' object is not subscriptable

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when i said filtered, it said "No module filtered found, did u mean filter?"

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:43 PM

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hollow heart ```py filtered = df[df["gtcbsa"] == 200] ```

this?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:44 PM

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hollow heart this?

"No module filtered found, did u mean filter?"

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no print

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print(filtered[['column1', 'column3', 'gtcbsa']])

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:45 PM

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print(type(filtered))

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is filtered a dataframe?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:46 PM

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what exactly is classified as a data fraame?

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:47 PM

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if print(type(filtered)) does not give you: <class 'pandas.core.frame.DataFrame'>

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then you did not make filtered a dataframe

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:48 PM

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hollow heart ```py filtered = df[df["gtcbsa"] == 200] ```

add this to your code

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:48 PM

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fock ok i think i figured it out

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yep thanks works

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:51 PM

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i need c++

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help

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:51 PM

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bruh

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join C++'s server?

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:51 PM

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system("");

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:52 PM

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jovial island join C++'s server?

no help

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why do i get -1invalidargument

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they sent me here

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:52 PM

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no don't ask in python-general

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:52 PM

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i was told to ask here

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so i need hep

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:53 PM

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old vale why do i get -1invalidargument

this is annoying me

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Send a screenshot of your error

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:54 PM

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https://discord.gg/J5hBe8F

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:54 PM

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jovial island Send a screenshot of your error

kk

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:54 PM

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hollow heart https://discord.gg/J5hBe8F

@old vale consider joining the server above

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:55 PM

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please help

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:55 PM

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jovial island <@!830157400983994448> consider joining the server above

i wiil

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but please help

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Send us your whole code

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:55 PM

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i was told to put %d before the system method and it returned this

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:55 PM

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jovial island Send us your whole code

kk

#

#include <iostream>
#include <json/json.h>
#include <json/jsoncpp.cpp>
#include <fstream>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <direct.h>
#include <errno.h>
using namespace std;

int main()
{
    //read json
    Json::Value craftbooster_data;
    ifstream craftbooster_file("./craftbooster.json" , ifstream::binary);
    craftbooster_file >> craftbooster_data;

    cout<<craftbooster_data["key"]<<"\n";
    //copy files to the path in json
    if(mkdir("E:\\tesst") == -1){
        cerr << " Error : " << strerror(errno) << endl;
    }
    else{
        cout<<"done";
    }
    printf("%d", system("cmd batchcode.bat"));
    printf("%s", strerror(errno));
    getchar();
    return 0;
}

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Nice, now wait until someone who knows c++ helps you out 🙂

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:56 PM

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jovial island Nice, now wait until someone who knows c++ helps you out 🙂

srsly

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bro this aint funny

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:57 PM

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What?

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 8:57 PM

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i mean...you decided to ask your cpp question in python server idk what you expected

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 8:57 PM

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lol

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 8:58 PM

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radiant socket i mean...you decided to ask your cpp question in python server idk what you expe...

bro

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there is no other way to get help

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my problem only exists on my pc

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none other

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zero

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 8:58 PM

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old vale there is no other way to get help

there are cpp servers

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 8:59 PM

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https://discord.gg/J5hBe8F

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:00 PM

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old vale bro

Nobody here is forced to help someone, if they want, they will. You're also in a Python server asking for C++ help, now I got you to move into a off topic channel, you posted your issue and your code, now wait patiently until someone that willingly wants to help you out. If no one does here, ask in C++ server.

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

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jovial island Nobody here is forced to help someone, if they want, they will. You're also in a...

ive asked in 10+ servers no one knows this error

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so i think you can paint a picture of my situation

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

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"this error" what error? you haven't said

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

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hollow heart https://discord.gg/J5hBe8F

even this "help" server

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

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The error looks like you're trying to create/do something a file which already exists

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

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radiant socket "this error" what error? you haven't said

yes i hv

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Does anything in the code do that (create a file (or some other fs operation))?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

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old vale please help

Error: File exists -1 invalid argument

radiant socket Nov 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

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that seems quite descriptive

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 9:04 PM

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tbh that error looks like you're using some knockoff library to create a file that already exists

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:05 PM

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I googled it and I can't find anything about it, could be a custom raise error?

daring jay Nov 2, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Whats craftbooster_file?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:06 PM

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https://developer.arm.com/documentation/dui0496/c/elf-image-converter-errors-and-warnings/list-of-the-fromelf-error-and-warning-messages?lang=en
even this doesn't tell me what the error means

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:15 PM

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hollow heart add this to your code

how can i export file and name is updated.csv?

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 9:15 PM

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what's the current name of the dataframe you want to save?

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!d pandas.DataFrame.to_csv

clever salmonBOT Nov 2, 2021, 9:16 PM

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pandas.DataFrame.to\_csv

DataFrame.to_csv(path_or_buf=None, sep=',', na_rep='', float_format=None, columns=None, header=True, index=True, index_label=None, mode='w', encoding=None, compression='infer', ...)```
Write object to a comma-separated values (csv) file.

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:17 PM

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hollow heart what's the current name of the dataframe you want to save?

current namr of the csv file?

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 9:18 PM

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no your dataframe

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is it filtered or df or something else?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:18 PM

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oh filtered

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 9:18 PM

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filtered.to_csv('updated.csv')

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or filtered.to_csv('updated.csv', index=False) if you don't want the index to be saved in the csv

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if you don't want all 300 columns you can also select which columns you want saved

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:31 PM

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hollow heart if you don't want all 300 columns you can also select which columns you want sav...

yes i alr filtered out columns

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if i were to create a bar graph with 6 different values, and each value has values from an entire column, how would i go on w that?

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 9:33 PM

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so i have no experience with plotting/graphing, try out the stuff here https://pandas.pydata.org/docs/user_guide/visualization.html

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:35 PM

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hollow heart so i have no experience with plotting/graphing, try out the stuff here https://p...

the previous thing didnt work tbh

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can i dm w pics?

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@hollow heart

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 9:39 PM

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no pls, just send here you can also open a help channel if you like #❓｜how-to-get-help

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:40 PM

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haha ill try figuring out if i need help ill let ya know

hollow heart Nov 2, 2021, 9:41 PM

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jovial island the previous thing didnt work tbh

are you saying that all that stuff we did earlier didn't work?

jovial island Nov 2, 2021, 9:42 PM

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hollow heart are you saying that all that stuff we did earlier didn't work?

filtering rows didnt work, the updated file has rows that contain 0 and some other numbers under that column

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nvm i solved it

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 9:47 PM

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jovial island Error: File exists -1 invalid argument

yp

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its still there

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nop unfortunately

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yep yep

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the one thats affecting me is the -1invalid error

tribal tinsel Nov 2, 2021, 10:10 PM

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old vale the one thats affecting me is the -1invalid error

see all your code that does outputs:

    if(mkdir("E:\\tesst") == -1){
        cerr << " Error : " << strerror(errno) << endl;
    }
    else{
        cout<<"done";
    }
    printf("%d", system("cmd batchcode.bat"));
    printf("%s", strerror(errno));

-1 comes from the batch call
and the text comes from the second print

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you probably shouldn't use cmd here, you want to just execute the .bat file - so put only the file name to execute
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1478171/how-can-we-use-a-batch-file-in-c
@old vale

Stack Overflow

how can we use a batch file in c++?

MY PURPOSE: I want to make a c++ program that could use DOS commands.

OPTION: I can make a batch file and put into it the DOS commands.
But I don't know how to use this file from a c++ pro...

old vale Nov 2, 2021, 10:15 PM

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tribal tinsel you probably shouldn't use cmd here, you want to just execute the .bat file - so...

i did that and same thing

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its a pc problem

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so dont mind aabout it

hollow heart Nov 3, 2021, 1:50 PM

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foggy flicker Nov 3, 2021, 1:52 PM

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slate leaf Nov 3, 2021, 1:52 PM

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carmine herald Nov 3, 2021, 1:55 PM

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jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 1:56 PM

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wheat rock Nov 3, 2021, 2:21 PM

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wise niche Nov 3, 2021, 2:43 PM

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languid osprey Nov 3, 2021, 2:49 PM

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real forum Nov 3, 2021, 3:00 PM

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„

faint elm Nov 3, 2021, 3:04 PM

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:

hollow heart Nov 3, 2021, 3:09 PM

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LOL sorry guys :x

real forum Nov 3, 2021, 3:11 PM

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How dare you >:(

odd sphinx Nov 3, 2021, 3:21 PM

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damn

faint elm Nov 3, 2021, 3:27 PM

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raisin bran

sterile nymph Nov 3, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Marie

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Antonnie

uneven dune Nov 3, 2021, 6:39 PM

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let them eat lemons

sterile nymph Nov 3, 2021, 6:45 PM

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French sounds elegant even in english

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 7:50 PM

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@brisk edge but the gevent sleeps though, that's still unexplained black magic

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 7:54 PM

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it probably is spawning its own userspace threads inside the worker processes

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did you try with gevent and with --threads?

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 7:54 PM

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oh it's... oh it's being naughty

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from time import sleep

@app.route("/")
def test():
    print(sleep.__module__)

gevent.hub
gevent.hub
gevent.hub
gevent.hub

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?? xD

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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wait even with --threads it's running 4 in parallel. lol

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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jovial island ```py from time import sleep @app.route("/") def test(): print(sleep.__modu...

monkey patching

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gevent bad

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 7:55 PM

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that's funny.

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though I still don't understand how it's able to suspend that.

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 7:57 PM

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it's probably suspending the userspace thread instead of the kernel thread which time.sleep suspends

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since it's using its own impl of sleep

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 7:58 PM

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uhh. right so it keeps python stacks ?

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 7:58 PM

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as in call stack?

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 7:59 PM

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gears grinding

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is gevent using a different bytecode loop?

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that's gotta be it right? that's how it's able to suspend the thread

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:02 PM

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we could just check it's codebase 😅

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:02 PM

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somehow I imagine it's huge. maybe it's not.

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426 python files

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:03 PM

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https://github.com/gevent/gevent/blob/master/src/gevent/hub.py#L129

clever salmonBOT Nov 3, 2021, 8:03 PM

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src/gevent/hub.py line 129

def sleep(seconds=0, ref=True):```

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:04 PM

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ah. ye that's a good place to start

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:07 PM

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the monkey patch is at https://github.com/gevent/gevent/blob/master/src/gevent/time.py (i think)

GitHub

gevent/time.py at master · gevent/gevent

Coroutine-based concurrency library for Python. Contribute to gevent/gevent development by creating an account on GitHub.

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:13 PM

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why is it so hard to google what gevent does

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yeah okay it monkey patches the world I get it
but how does it stop

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about half a dozen times now I've been reading text that gets SO CLOSE to telling me how the sausage is made and then just doesn't

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:19 PM

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wdym how does it stop?

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:19 PM

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it suspends the threads

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suspend - run something else - resume

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normally you can do that with recursion, but I doubt that's it.

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instead it suspends the whole thing, and starts fresh with another

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if it is indeed replacing the bytecode loop it could do it that way. but idk if it's doing that

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:20 PM

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the logic's in the sleep function i llinked above

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:21 PM

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do you mean that explains it or just that this is the sleep function?

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I read it and moved on, not seeing it

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it's just comunicating with the actual machinery, wherever that is, from what I can tell

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but does not itself do anything

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:22 PM

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it calls hub.wait, and if you see what hub.wait does

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digging deep it just seems to give control to the event loop's timer method

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:30 PM

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so lost in this rabbit hole

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:30 PM

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haha. yea the flow goes back and forth between hub and other files

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:36 PM

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I give up

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:58 PM

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@brisk edge https://github.com/python-greenlet/greenlet/blob/1865d4ff1007e17ef7a059eace8b2d06fb11ddd0/src/greenlet/greenlet.cpp#L149

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A PyGreenlet is a range of C stack addresses that must be
saved and restored in such a way that the full range of the
stack contains valid data when we switch to it.

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 8:59 PM

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so a manually maintained call stack huh?

jovial island Nov 3, 2021, 8:59 PM

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crazy people -_-

brisk edge Nov 3, 2021, 9:01 PM

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eh… if it works ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 1:43 AM

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@languid osprey I'm taking a look at the parser and language implementation links you sent me a while back and wow are they going over my head

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I really do have zero CS knowledge or experience

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Ooh lang dev

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 1:45 AM

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thank you for the links though, they're quite a good read even if my comprehension is near 0 /hj

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 1:45 AM

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If you want a guide to it from rock bottom to a fully functional language, I'd advise you read Crafting Interpreters by Robert Nystrom

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 1:46 AM

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that's literally the link aboo sent me

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 1:46 AM

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I've been working through it recently, and it's a really wonderful book

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I'm not surprised haha, it's great

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 1:46 AM

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SET-REGISTER  81000
STORE         &product

# Initalize the loop.
ADD           1
STORE         &loop_until
SET-REGISTER  1
STORE         &factor

# Calculate the reminder of product / factor.
# Jump if the reminder is zero.
LOAD          &product
LOAD-B        &factor
MODULO
GOTO-IF-NOT   17

# Add one to factor; keep looping until factor > product.
LOAD          &factor
ADD           1
STORE         &factor
LOAD-B        &loop_until
EQUAL
GOTO-IF-NOT   6
# If factor > product, jump the above if's body and exit.
GOTO          24

# The reminder of product / factor was zero.
LOAD          &product
LOAD-B        &factor
DIVIDE
FLOOR
PRINT         &factor
PRINT
GOTO          10

EXIT

This was my latest forray into implementing languages, let's just say this is really basic :p

dim root Nov 4, 2021, 1:46 AM

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That's the only "good" read on lang dev

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 1:47 AM

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lusty brook ``` SET-REGISTER 81000 STORE &product # Initalize the loop. ADD ...

That's cool! Seems quite good to me.

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 1:48 AM

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the VM is rather ... uh ... slow lol

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 1:49 AM

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daring jay That's cool! Seems quite good to me.

I mean, there's no parser involved here, just lexical analysis with a basic VM bolted on

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Still good

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I've just began parsing for lox

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I'm certainly not that far

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 1:51 AM

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oh yea I almost forgot, I implemented a super sketchy transcompiler from this assembly-like language to Python. Basically any kind of conditionals break it :p

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SET-REGISTER   0
STORE          &i

LOAD           &i
ADD            1
PRINT
STORE          &i
EQUAL          900
GOTO-IF-NOT    2

register_a = 0
register_b = 0
db = {}
def chunk_2():
    global register_a, register_b
    register_a = db['i']
    register_a += 1
    print(register_a)
    db['i'] = register_a
    register_a = (register_a == 900)
    if not register_a:
        chunk_2()
register_a = 0
db['i'] = register_a
chunk_2()

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I should probably learn some proper language techniques at this point before I learn how to craft language implementations in the totally wrong way :)

ember oar Nov 4, 2021, 2:03 AM

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lusty brook I should probably learn some proper language techniques at this point before I l...

This is some cool stuff regardless

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Nice job!

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:11 AM

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dim root That's the only "good" read on lang dev

There's quite a few good reads related to lang dev

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:11 AM

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lusty brook <@!416345453530054657> I'm taking a look at the parser and language implementati...

You'll get it eventually :P

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:12 AM

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I switched projects back to my original recursive-descent attempt

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I was trying to write a calculator because that's like classic CS homework

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Rewriting everything except for the tokenizer which is actually usable

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:14 AM

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Lmao

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:15 AM

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169 lines of a poorly functional recursive-descent parser: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/egabidolaj.py

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:15 AM

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Nice :D

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:16 AM

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I'm not using it, it's garbage

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:16 AM

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No parser is worth using until after a few rewrites :P

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:16 AM

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    9: (
        "1 + (2 + 3 + (4 + 5))",
        [
            Token(kind="Number", value=1, pos=(0, 1)),
            Token(kind="Operator", value="+", pos=(2, 3)),
            Token(kind="Parenthesis", value="(", pos=(4, 5)),
            Token(kind="Number", value=2, pos=(5, 6)),
            Token(kind="Operator", value="+", pos=(7, 8)),
            Token(kind="Number", value=3, pos=(9, 10)),
            Token(kind="Operator", value="+", pos=(11, 12)),
            Token(kind="Parenthesis", value="(", pos=(13, 14)),
            Token(kind="Number", value=4, pos=(14, 15)),
            Token(kind="Operator", value="+", pos=(16, 17)),
            Token(kind="Number", value=5, pos=(18, 19)),
            Token(kind="Parenthesis", value=")", pos=(19, 20)),
            Token(kind="Parenthesis", value=")", pos=(20, 21)),
        ],
        Expression(
            body=Operation(
                1,
                "+",
                ParenthesizedExpression(
                    body=Operation(
                        2, "+", ParenthesizedExpression(body=Operation(4, "+", 5))
                    )
                ),
            )
        ),
    ),

it fails even this simple test case

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tokenization is fine as expected but the AST isn't quite right

echo fern Nov 4, 2021, 2:17 AM

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where did the 3 go 👀

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:17 AM

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Lmao

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Disappeared

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:17 AM

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wait what

echo fern Nov 4, 2021, 2:17 AM

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lol

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:17 AM

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ok maybe that's why this one is failing 😅

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but there's others that fail properly

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Improper failing 👀

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:18 AM

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    11: (
        "1 + (2 + 3) + 4",
        [
            Token(kind="Number", value=1, pos=(0, 1)),
            Token(kind="Operator", value="+", pos=(2, 3)),
            Token(kind="Parenthesis", value="(", pos=(4, 5)),
            Token(kind="Number", value=2, pos=(5, 6)),
            Token(kind="Operator", value="+", pos=(7, 8)),
            Token(kind="Number", value=3, pos=(9, 10)),
            Token(kind="Parenthesis", value=")", pos=(10, 11)),
            Token(kind="Operator", value="+", pos=(12, 13)),
            Token(kind="Number", value=4, pos=(14, 15)),
        ],
        Expression(
            body=Operation(
                1,
                "+",
                Operation(ParenthesizedExpression(body=Operation(2, "+", 3)), "+", 4),
            )
        ),
    ),

okay, this shows the failing of my (terrible) parser

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 2:19 AM

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I'm trying to write a testing tool for my language and it's so haaard

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:19 AM

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I just make the ast into a string and compare it

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 2:19 AM

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Well, not my language, but one I'm implementing

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:19 AM

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I have a custom display impl for that

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 2:19 AM

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Yeah I could do that, but I've decided to try parsing it from that language's files

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Something more sophisticated might be nicer than just comparing strings

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Since writing them out is a pain

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Expression(
    Operation(
        Number(1)
        + ParenthesizedExpression(
            Operation(
                Number(2)
                + Operation(
                    Number(3)
                    + ParenthesizedExpression(Operation(Number(4) + Number(5)))
                )
            )
        )
    )
)

this is what it spits out actually, which is so wrong :(

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Lmao

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Like this is an example lexer test for what I want

(){},.-+;/*!=><!===>=<=

// expect: OpenParen
// expect: CloseParen
// expect: OpenBrace
// expect: CloseBrace
// expect: Comma
// expect: Dot
// expect: Minus
// expect: Plus
// expect: Semicolon
// expect: Slash
// expect: Star
// expect: Bang
// expect: Equal
// expect: Greater
// expect: Less
// expect: BangEqual
// expect: EqualEqual
// expect: GreaterEqual
// expect: LessEqual
// expect: Eof

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And it shall lex it

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:21 AM

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!otn sudden-language-dev-channel
or !otn makeshift-language-dev-channel

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(helpers can't actually do this)

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Just become mod ez

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:22 AM

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yeah i know it's soo easy /s

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Lol

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:22 AM

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(mods, we aren't disrespecting the critical roles y'all hold in this server 😅 )

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 2:23 AM

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or are we 👀

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Perhaps

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:23 AM

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.< well

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Most mods asleep

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Time to go wild

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 2:24 AM

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I'd like to make it clear that when I use an emoji in a message, it's a joke, I don't mean it negatively

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:24 AM

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Lies /s

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:25 AM

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Anyway back to lang-dev, I assume that pratt parsing would be a good fit for implementing a calculator?

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:25 AM

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Wdym

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:26 AM

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lusty brook Anyway back to lang-dev, I assume that pratt parsing would be a good fit for imp...

Sure, it has operator precedence

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:26 AM

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Alright, I'll try to keep this important bit in mind this time 🤞

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thanks!

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I have a few articles on Pratt parsing

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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... that are all in rust presumably

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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https://matklad.github.io/2020/04/13/simple-but-powerful-pratt-parsing.html this is pretty fantastic

Simple but Powerful Pratt Parsing

Welcome to my article about Pratt parsing — the monad tutorial of syntactic analysis.The number of Pratt parsing articles is so large that ...

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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lusty brook ... *that are all in rust presumably*

~~how'd you guess~~

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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you sent me that a few months ago

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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Ah

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There's one for Java too

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:28 AM

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I know no languages well except for Python

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Oop and for c

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 2:28 AM

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If I had to save my life with javascript I could, but like it's going to be the most messy code ever

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Lmao

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 3:16 AM

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well this is going better than I expected

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the right and left hand sides shouldn't be instances of token but I'll fix that later

echo fern Nov 4, 2021, 3:20 AM

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one kind of number, smh - what is this, a JS interpreter? 😛

lusty brook Nov 4, 2021, 3:20 AM

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just a calculator 😳

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Nice

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Language design is pretty fun

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:14 AM

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parsing is the most enjoyable part because you get to work on top of tokens or AST instead of user input

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i love how my parser can be smarter than me. for something like -1 - -2 + -2 / -3**2 or more complex i'd have to put parens for my brain to comprehend whereas the parser can recursively parse it

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not a bad idea tbh

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 4:23 AM

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whitespace dependent precedence, interesting concept

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 4:24 AM

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worldly harness parsing is the most enjoyable part because you get to work on top of tokens or A...

Eh, debatable

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Parsing is fun, but I prefer writing vms

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The actual execution part is pretty interesting to implement

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:24 AM

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so 1 * 2 * 1-1 * 3 + 4 would be (1 * (2 * (1-1) * 3) ) + 4?

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 4:25 AM

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worldly harness so `1 * 2 * 1-1 * 3 + 4` would be `(1 * (2 * (1-1) * 3) ) + 4`?

You have an extra closing parenthesis there after the 3, but that looks right, I think

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:25 AM

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oh yeah

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 4:25 AM

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That would be interesting

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 4:25 AM

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What about using the length of the whitespace to determine it? So one space would have higher precedence then two.

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:25 AM

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daring jay You have an extra closing parenthesis there after the 3, but that looks right, I...

wait no it's right

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 4:26 AM

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worldly harness wait no it's right

oh wait, I see

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I thought there was one after 4, oops

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But that's the fun of it :D

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And you'd have normal precedence if you use consistent whitespace (one space every time)

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Which isn't hard

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:27 AM

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but it would be confusing if you have a big expression

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Wait so would the language support parentheses for grouping as well?

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theoretically

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:30 AM

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so only a single level of whitespace precedence would be allowed?

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:36 AM

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daring jay What about using the length of the whitespace to determine it? So one space woul...

like this

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1 - 1 - 1 - 1 would be (1-(1-1))-1 because of double whitespace

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okay how about 1 - 1 - 1-1 - 1 - 1 as (1-((1-(1-1))-1)-1 :P

ember oar Nov 4, 2021, 4:40 AM

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How about instead of parentheses we use forward and back slashes lemon_imp

2 * / 5 + 3 \

is the same as

2 * (5 + 3)

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I'm sure it can be more cursed than this

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:41 AM

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lmao, wouldnt that be the same as existing parsers, except when lexing parens you set / to be left paren and \ be right paren

ember oar Nov 4, 2021, 4:41 AM

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Yep pretty much

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Exactly

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:41 AM

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division can be (

ember oar Nov 4, 2021, 4:41 AM

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OOH

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Yes

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2 ( 5 * / 3 \

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is the same thing as
2/5 * (3)

worldly harness Nov 4, 2021, 4:44 AM

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if:
* = )
+ = ]
- =[
/ = (
( = /
) = \
then... 2 [ 3 ( / 1 ] 1 \ ) 3 being 2 + 3 / (1+1) * 3 is pretty cool

ember oar Nov 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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This looks like some familiar math notation that I forgot the name of, intervals?

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 7:52 AM

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Guys , do not eat pure cinamon it dfoesn't taste good by itself.

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:00 AM

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finishing to read book about javscript

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I thought python is magic...

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I was wrong ...javascript is pure magic and hacks

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 8:01 AM

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rotund python I was wrong ...javascript is pure magic and hacks

You're a wizard . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4EWvMFj37g

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jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 8:03 AM

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rotund python I was wrong ...javascript is pure magic and hacks

Time to burn you at the stake.

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:05 AM

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median dome You're a wizard . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4EWvMFj37g

those are already known magical incantations to me, I even already learned higher order magic: ansible.

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/21/1a/a8211a42aad0dc7b111b27bcd4196b70.jpg

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 8:06 AM

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rotund python https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/21/1a/a8211a42aad0dc7b111b27bcd4196b70.jpg

I'll catch up. 😉

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:07 AM

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median dome I'll catch up. 😉

👍 😆

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 8:08 AM

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rotund python 👍 😆

I think that video is good for people like me that only really know python. The rest can be learned over time.

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:10 AM

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median dome I think that video is good for people like me that only really know python. The ...

perhaps. I love reading books though. One book read in two days, gives condensed experience that otherwise takes months to learn on your own

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the best is to learn the book and then to apply, apply, apply, apply, apply at practice ;b

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 8:11 AM

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rotund python the best is to learn the book and then to apply, apply, apply, apply, apply at p...

Have you read ringworld?

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:11 AM

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it is worthy to read books for beginners btw, at least the best ones, they explain a lot of core practices / best practices / mechanisms behind the current tech in a really easy to get way

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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jovial island Have you read ringworld?

nope

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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rotund python nope

Why?

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 8:12 AM

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rotund python it is worthy to read books for beginners btw, at least the best ones, they expla...

Resource?

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:13 AM

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median dome Resource?

whole Head First books series at least

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any topic they cover... usually always the best covered

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in the easiest to understand way

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I finish their javscript book at the moment

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they don't just give syntax, they explain mechanics, that otherwise you would get only through experience ;b

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for other books I just search O'Reilly, and carefully monitoring Amazon reviews and other factors, how much re editions the author published for the book and e.t.c.
There is some need for certain balance to find the best book and preferably updated recently. Some topics can be taken with older books though

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 8:18 AM

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rotund python for other books I just search O'Reilly, and carefully monitoring Amazon reviews ...

Everyone learns differently and what works for one might not work for the other. I'll check out some of their books even though I have in the past. Personally I don't like O' Reilly published books because of all the bloat but who knows maybe it's just the author.

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:19 AM

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median dome Everyone learns differently and what works for one might not work for the other....

well. yeah, everyone learns differently

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I am really... fast reader with a lot of... passion for books? that's the best way for me

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i had a time when in three years I had read few thousands books ;b

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 8:20 AM

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rotund python I am really... fast reader with a lot of... passion for books? that's the best w...

I get bored with the redundance of some authors.

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Even Sweighart was guilty of this.

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:20 AM

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🤷‍♂️ IMO finding quality book is certainly easy

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and even if there is some water, it is the book, it is easier to read faster

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books give great navigation ;b

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 8:21 AM

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rotund python and even if there is some water, it is the book, it is easier to read faster

I have ADHD so maybe that has something to do with it.

rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 8:34 AM

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Bwhahaha.

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Javascript has even python generators

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they just aren't named so and sort of based on another javascript hack

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 9:01 AM

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jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 9:01 AM

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rotund python Nov 4, 2021, 9:17 AM

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rustic harbor

Any famous CEO of a any big interesting to me company that recruits me ;b

Just kidding.

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 9:19 AM

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5 gigs

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 9:27 AM

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rustic harbor

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daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 10:09 AM

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ember oar How about instead of parentheses we use forward and back slashes <:lemon_imp:896...

That'd be really easy

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 10:35 AM

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Pythony

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pythonic

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Python + C++ - java =?

median dome Nov 4, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Pythong

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When?

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 1:13 PM

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We need python underwear tbh

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.topic

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jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Power to have any power i chose to ANd be able to remove it

real forum Nov 4, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Pydis lingerie when?

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Let's make our own

remote wren Nov 4, 2021, 1:32 PM

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real forum Pydis lingerie when?

what is lingerie

sinful sun Nov 4, 2021, 1:35 PM

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underwear

hollow heart Nov 4, 2021, 1:37 PM

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there's pydis jammies

carmine herald Nov 4, 2021, 2:01 PM

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whats a jammie

slate leaf Nov 4, 2021, 2:01 PM

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pajamas

nova ember Nov 4, 2021, 2:49 PM

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hollow heart there's pydis jammies

It is required that every staff member owns a pair of pydis pyjamas. Please get yours immediately.

slate leaf Nov 4, 2021, 2:51 PM

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TIL

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Gotta hit that order button

hidden kernel Nov 4, 2021, 2:51 PM

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whats a button

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:52 PM

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buttons dont exist

dusky cliff Nov 4, 2021, 2:52 PM

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languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:52 PM

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fake news

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🔳

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📰

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:fakenews:

sinful sun Nov 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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wait, its all <div onClick="handleClick"></div>?

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 2:54 PM

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its all <a>

sinful sun Nov 4, 2021, 2:55 PM

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is onclick camelcase or am i confusing it with react

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i think im confusing it with react

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 2:59 PM

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onclick in vanilla is all lowercase

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onclick="handleClick()"

slate leaf Nov 4, 2021, 3:01 PM

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You all over here messing with my understanding of reality

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 3:02 PM

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sinful sun is onclick camelcase or am i confusing it with react

It's not

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It's only camelCase in react

sinful sun Nov 4, 2021, 3:07 PM

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dangit

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close enough

odd sphinx Nov 4, 2021, 6:14 PM

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jovial island `onclick="handleClick()"`

u have to call it?

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 6:17 PM

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odd sphinx u have to call it?

Yeah; the script text in vanilla < onclick="" > is wrapped in a function

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That function then gets called

odd sphinx Nov 4, 2021, 6:19 PM

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oh

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wow

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ive been using document.addEventListener

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all this time

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because onclick="handleClick" would never work

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Yeah; unlike < onclick="" >, aEL and .onclick = doesn't need the parentheses for calling the function

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Arguably inconsistent, but yeah

odd sphinx Nov 4, 2021, 6:22 PM

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yea

uneven dune Nov 4, 2021, 6:39 PM

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@jovial island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_(mathematics)

Series (mathematics)

In mathematics, a series is, roughly speaking, a description of the operation of adding infinitely many quantities, one after the other, to a given starting quantity. The study of series is a major part of calculus and its generalization, mathematical analysis. Series are used in most areas of mathematics, even for studying finite structures (s...

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 6:40 PM

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uneven dune <@456226577798135808> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_(mathematics)

no way, my brain wont let me open it

uneven dune Nov 4, 2021, 6:41 PM

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jovial island no way, my brain wont let me open it

it's ok you said you knew +. this is just +

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Oh, but still my brain just can't stand with math

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I stay far as possible from that thing

uneven dune Nov 4, 2021, 6:42 PM

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haha understandable. if you take it slow though it's not all that scary

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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nova ember It is required that every staff member owns a pair of pydis pyjamas. Please get ...

Link please vester

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No but like, we really need to make these

real forum Nov 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Pydis has some surprising clothing articles and trinkets on their redbubble

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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@visual slate we should've known 😦

visual slate Nov 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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jovial island <@!284418686532452352> we should've known 😦

i was aware of the rule, but their original question was simply making a loop quittable without blocking and i had no other context

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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my dumbass didn't even know this was considered as a self-bot

visual slate Nov 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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ah welp

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was a cool problem tho

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might save the loop quitting thing for later

jovial island Nov 4, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Same here, might be useful for other stuff

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 9:29 PM

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@rare moat My local friendly C user, may @languid osprey and I pick your brain about good C books?

rare moat Nov 4, 2021, 9:30 PM

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hmm

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 9:30 PM

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I have been summoned

rare moat Nov 4, 2021, 9:30 PM

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'The C Programming Language' is still pretty much the de-facto standard for C books.

languid osprey Nov 4, 2021, 9:30 PM

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e

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 9:30 PM

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okie, tyty

rare moat Nov 4, 2021, 9:30 PM

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let me get you the P D F

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https://github.com/auspbro/ebook-c/blob/master/The.C.Programming.Language.2Nd.Ed Prentice.Hall.Brian.W.Kernighan.and.Dennis.M.Ritchie..pdf

GitHub

ebook-c/The.C.Programming.Language.2Nd.Ed Prentice.Hall.Brian.W.Ker...

ebooks about c programing language. Contribute to auspbro/ebook-c development by creating an account on GitHub.

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hey it is on GitHub.

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there seems to be a couple here.

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https://github.com/auspbro/ebook-c

daring jay Nov 4, 2021, 9:32 PM

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.bm 905932313827872769

echo fern Nov 4, 2021, 9:41 PM

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~~oh nice, pirated books~~

rare moat Nov 4, 2021, 9:53 PM

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@echo fern problem? troll

echo fern Nov 4, 2021, 9:54 PM

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it's strange this lived for 5 years, actually

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at least one such repo I've seen, with more than a dozen programming books, got taken down

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~~i totally didn't clone it or anything, though~~

rare moat Nov 4, 2021, 9:55 PM

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i should archive this then.

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never know when you might need them. :^)

radiant socket Nov 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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@drifting venture what is tofurkey?

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i see 🦃 but like

drifting venture Nov 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Turkey made of tofu, lol

radiant socket Nov 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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o

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interesting

drifting venture Nov 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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turkey flavored tofu, generally considered an abomination

radiant socket Nov 4, 2021, 11:54 PM

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i agree

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 1:40 AM

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@mystic coral

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@mystic coral

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@mystic coralyo

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@mystic coral

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@mystic coral

magic atlas Nov 5, 2021, 1:42 AM

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!warn 767407164003450930 Don't spam people with pings please.

clever salmonBOT Nov 5, 2021, 1:42 AM

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @jovial island.

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 1:43 AM

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magic atlas !warn 767407164003450930 Don't spam people with pings please.

Can we get him muted (meaning wiser) or can you atleast do something in #discord-bots if you haven’t already

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faint elm Nov 5, 2021, 2:46 AM

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howdyyy

somber belfry Nov 5, 2021, 2:47 AM

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jovial island Can we get him muted (meaning wiser) or can you atleast do something in <#343944...

If you have an issue with a user, please DM @vapid maple .

faint elm Nov 5, 2021, 2:47 AM

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would you guys recommend learning C or C#?

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 2:47 AM

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somber belfry If you have an issue with a user, please DM <@!683001325440860340> .

Not no more lol but in future Ight lol

echo fern Nov 5, 2021, 2:52 AM

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faint elm would you guys recommend learning C or C#?

these two are extremely different in usage

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I'd say C# is something with far more everyday usages than C, which you'd use, like, if you wanted to contribute to the linux kernel or something

faint elm Nov 5, 2021, 2:54 AM

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echo fern these two are extremely different in usage

I see, thanks! I was checking some CS course requirements and I saw that C was one, but C# also looks promising

wicked hollow Nov 5, 2021, 3:29 AM

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echo fern I'd say C# is something with far more everyday usages than C, which you'd use, l...

that's interesting - in my world, C# is way less common than C, heh

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I do unix backend development for a living. I see a web service written in C# every once in a while, but almost every tool I use in my normal day to day life is written in C or C++ or Python or shell.

fluid plank Nov 5, 2021, 3:45 AM

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godlygeek is a geek god

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hence godlygeek

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 6:09 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/de165297fcaed912f596f486449afe3c/tenor.gif

faint elm Nov 5, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Really dumb question

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Probably fuelled by the fact that it’s 3AM

maiden marsh Nov 5, 2021, 6:59 AM

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?

faint elm Nov 5, 2021, 6:59 AM

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but does anyone else get stressed out while playing video games because of the code?

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Like??? I’m PLAYING the games

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And I’m thinking “damn, imagine all the lines this must’ve taken for this window to pop up”

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Idk if that makes sense

maiden marsh Nov 5, 2021, 7:00 AM

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I don't rage to video games, but I raged to computer errors.

faint elm Nov 5, 2021, 7:00 AM

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Hehe, I only get sad instead

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But every time I play a game, i imagine how the code must look like??? And I’m kinda stressed because I start feeling bad for the devs

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This is so incoherent T__T

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 7:16 AM

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faint elm And I’m thinking “damn, imagine all the lines this must’ve taken for this window...

Back 4 Blood uses Unreal Engine and that shit doesn't need any code if you don't want to use it.

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Games are more about concept and assets the coding is secondary and in most cases today is optional.

faint elm Nov 5, 2021, 7:40 AM

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median dome Back 4 Blood uses Unreal Engine and that shit doesn't need any code if you don't...

scribbles down on notepad

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 7:46 AM

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some games took the hard way out and implemented everything from scratch though

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like factorio with their fully custom engine, it took them many years to build

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 7:47 AM

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jovial island like factorio with their fully custom engine, it took them many years to build

What language?

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 7:50 AM

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C++ and Lua

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 8:10 AM

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jovial island C++ and Lua

How many people?

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Originally 3, now 25

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 8:12 AM

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jovial island Originally 3, now 25

25 sounds right for that kind of task.

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 8:13 AM

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jovial island Originally 3, now 25

How far did the founders get it before hiring new people?

real forum Nov 5, 2021, 8:14 AM

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I would assume not very far considering they had to hire 22 more people

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 8:15 AM

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real forum I would assume not very far considering they had to hire 22 more people

That's what I was thinking.

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It sounds like they built the engine and hired people to use the engine.

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 8:22 AM

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few years I think

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 8:24 AM

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jovial island few years I think

I'm just wondering how much alpha/beta did they develop before they realized they needed 22 extra employees. They could have spent 10 years developing the engine and 1 year on the game.

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 8:32 AM

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You can probably see that if you dig into their blog called FFF

median dome Nov 5, 2021, 8:37 AM

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jovial island You can probably see that if you dig into their blog called FFF

Maybe if I buy the game and enjoy it enough to care.

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 8:50 AM

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Dew it

somber belfry Nov 5, 2021, 8:55 AM

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https://tenor.com/V6HQ.gif

Tenor

tepid hamlet Nov 5, 2021, 9:05 AM

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Greta Thunberg wants to know your location

sinful sun Nov 5, 2021, 9:34 AM

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Greta thunberg should go finish school first

tepid hamlet Nov 5, 2021, 9:34 AM

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lol

sinful sun Nov 5, 2021, 9:36 AM

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Imagine granting this much media attention to some brat that hasnt even graduated high school yet

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 10:06 AM

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wait who

real forum Nov 5, 2021, 10:13 AM

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carmine herald wait who

Greta Thunberg. The climate change activist

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 10:14 AM

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mmm yes the climate is made out of climate

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@real forum did u tell ppl I'm 14 lmfao

real forum Nov 5, 2021, 10:15 AM

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No?

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 10:16 AM

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I'm confused then

real forum Nov 5, 2021, 10:16 AM

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About what?

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 10:16 AM

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things i cba to dig it's 4am I'm half asleep

real forum Nov 5, 2021, 10:17 AM

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I don't know what you're trying to say

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 10:17 AM

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be smarter smh

real forum Nov 5, 2021, 10:18 AM

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K

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 10:18 AM

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K

wheat rock Nov 5, 2021, 11:13 AM

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2 mole potassium

daring jay Nov 5, 2021, 11:41 AM

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carmine herald I'm confused then

Don't be, that was my sleep deprived brain asking you

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That age doesn't even make sense, I was being an idiot

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Must have been thinking about someone else

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 2:52 PM

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daring jay That age doesn't even make sense, I was being an idiot

true im clearly 18+ just ignore my parents' opinions on that lemon_smug

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or the seamstress sending me to the kids section of the store cuz they dont have my size lemon_angrysad

jovial island Nov 5, 2021, 5:11 PM

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@noble totem wasn't my algorithm :x I wasn't really providing any sort of meaningful code

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I may have misunderstood matrix multiplication on the other hand when describing it in prose but I did point this out :^)

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it was them that should describe it anyhow

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the code I posted only had renamed vars

noble totem Nov 5, 2021, 5:12 PM

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your code was easier to read 🙂

snow forum Nov 5, 2021, 6:25 PM

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lost onyx Nov 5, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Hi mates is there anyone who knows Emacs?

lapis plinth Nov 5, 2021, 7:59 PM

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cmon people

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literally half the server does and is very passionate abt emacs but everyone died ig

hazy laurel Nov 5, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Hardly anyone uses emacs

sinful sun Nov 5, 2021, 8:08 PM

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dont ask to ask otherwise you get no responses

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let this be a lesson i guess

hollow heart Nov 5, 2021, 8:17 PM

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hazy laurel Hardly anyone uses emacs

wdym there's like four of them on this server

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in all seriousness though, there's at least 2

daring jay Nov 5, 2021, 8:18 PM

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I only know Pure and Joe, but there are likely others

hollow heart Nov 5, 2021, 8:19 PM

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ok then 3, bc LP

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 8:25 PM

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I also sometimes use emacs

carmine herald Nov 5, 2021, 8:28 PM

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woah a whole 4 nice

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:09 PM

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speaking of Elm...

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I was playing around with PureScript (Halogen)

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and I think it won

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as in, I gave up

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:10 PM

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PureScript is a work of a madman

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:10 PM

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I'm saying this as a person who still hasn't given up on Agda

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:10 PM

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someone really just sat down one day and implemented typeclasses and structural subtyping in a language

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but yeah, I tried it, got lost in the weird typesystem, got unlost in the weird typesystem, got sth done then decided I would stick to JS or clojurescript

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:12 PM

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I like TS

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:12 PM

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the thing that makes elm so appealing is how trivially simple it is

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:12 PM

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round moss someone really just sat down one day and implemented typeclasses and structural ...

for extension in GHC.extensions:
    print("someone really just sat down one day and implemented {0} in a language".format(extension))

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although haskell still doesn't have anything structural, right?

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:13 PM

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not to my knowledge

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:14 PM

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I liked purescript as a language, but

Halogen is really complicated, feels like I'm writing a PhD not making a web app
the ecosystem is sparse and very poorly documented

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I liked <pretty much anything haskell-related> as a *, but

<pretty much anything haskell-related> is really complicated, feels like I'm writing a PhD not making a *

the ecosystem is sparse and very poorly documented

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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lol

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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round moss > I liked <pretty much anything haskell-related> as a *, but > - <pretty much an...

let's call this a Higher Kinded Message

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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everytime I write something even mildly intersting in haskell, I realise that literally no one but me will ever be able to understand this

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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hey, I actually succeeded in making a telegram bot with commands in Haskell. it was fun.

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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that's cool

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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unlike purescript

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although interfacing with JS was kinda cool

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:19 PM

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yeah, I liked the native interface

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that worked really nicely

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:19 PM

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agda compiles in JS as well, maybe I should try making a web app with that

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like, when I go on vacation

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 9:19 PM

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https://lavirlifiliol.github.io/goblet4.html this is the purescript thing I made

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but I wasn't using halogen I don't think

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I don't have the code, so IDRK

shadow elk Nov 5, 2021, 9:20 PM

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shadow elk like, when I go on vacation

...which is at least 5 months from today 😔 unless I get fired of course

hazy laurel Nov 5, 2021, 9:26 PM

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oh yes. early vacation

round moss Nov 5, 2021, 11:01 PM

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true

jovial island Nov 6, 2021, 1:26 AM

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@spice spear I ended up with this btw
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/fayoqomiya.py

spice spear Nov 6, 2021, 3:52 AM

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@jovial island i like

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@jovial island thanks a million for your help I will be able to get this to work i think

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@jovial island is it more like a message broker with smart routing than pub sub?

jovial island Nov 6, 2021, 3:59 AM

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@spice spear don't ask me it's your design xD
I wouldn't say a message broker would have any sort of worker pool in it

spice spear Nov 6, 2021, 4:02 AM

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@jovial island lol, love it. Its some frankenqueue.

jovial island Nov 6, 2021, 4:02 AM

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I suppose I'd call it a work queue with some weird messaging thrown in. x)

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not that I know anything about concurrent stuff (wish I did, it's always fun to mess around with)

spice spear Nov 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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@jovial island i agree. I am enjoying playing around with it. I would like to give golang a go for that purpose too. I am hoping that this concurrent pattern will mean I can move away from boring loops and focus on just writing the producers / consumers.

hazy laurel Nov 6, 2021, 4:17 AM

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haha. "golang a go"

worldly harness Nov 6, 2021, 5:04 AM

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spice spear <@456226577798135808> i agree. I am enjoying playing around with it. I would lik...

goroutines are simpler to work with than threads to work with but due to this people abuse it and use it to concurrently do everything which can sometimes overcomplicate things

tribal tinsel Nov 6, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Hm, it's past Halloween. Should I move to my usual pfp or find/make/commission something new?

daring jay Nov 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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@full haven Rust has an ownership model that helps you avoid writing memory unsafe code.

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(pinging you here because that's off topic for pygen)

full haven Nov 6, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Oh

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Thats nice

pliant trench Nov 6, 2021, 3:27 PM

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tribal tinsel Hm, it's past Halloween. Should I move to my usual pfp or find/make/commission s...

I haven't noticed it was Halloween themed until now lmao

radiant socket Nov 6, 2021, 3:27 PM

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tribal tinsel Hm, it's past Halloween. Should I move to my usual pfp or find/make/commission s...

santa hat

tribal tinsel Nov 6, 2021, 3:28 PM

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pliant trench I haven't noticed it was Halloween themed until now lmao

Well, the pumpkin bag is cut because of circle frame...

pliant trench Nov 6, 2021, 3:28 PM

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yea

tribal tinsel Nov 6, 2021, 3:31 PM

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radiant socket santa hat

I think it's a bit too early + I would need to find a good holidays base...

radiant socket Nov 6, 2021, 3:31 PM

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😔

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after halloween = christmastime

tribal tinsel Nov 6, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Furvilla's bases are cute. But holidays canine is Santa-like, while holidays fox is snowman-themed

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Fox for comparison

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Oh! Found a nice Christmasy free to use base

jovial island Nov 6, 2021, 4:00 PM

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https://twitter.com/ercwl/status/1456732583140732929

Eric Wall (@ercwl)

Sweden's financial regulator just released an article in which the director-general concludes that if cryptocurrency mining via Proof-of-Work is allowed in Sweden, we'll run out of renewable energy and endanger our chances of meeting our Paris Agreement climate responsibilities.

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@elfin vine i applaud the Swedish land

elfin vine Nov 6, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Nice haha

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I am reading that and holy shit

jovial island Nov 6, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Then the rest of the thread is just galaxy level bs

elfin vine Nov 6, 2021, 4:02 PM

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1 780 000 kilometers for one bitcoin

small pivot Nov 6, 2021, 4:02 PM

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👀

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we really do need to get rid of proof of work

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