ot2-the-original-pubsta

[civic wharf]

ȵice

[echo fern]

same, how else should it?

[dusky cliff]

idk

looks more like a circle than a curl

[civic wharf]

definitely is a whole circle

[echo fern]

a circle has constant curl, yes

[civic wharf]

only 14 characters blessed with curl/circle

[dusky cliff]

hmm i think its supposed to be

[civic wharf]

13 if you don't count "PAGE' as a letter

maybe Dutch

[lapis plinth]

i love it when google drive tells me that my own python script is a virus

[jovial island]

!server

[clever salmon]

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[fluid plank]

https://open.spotify.com/track/02xwA3Ej9NPetftp9V7VZ3?si=853f8b194005442c i really like this song for some reason. aaaaah so relaxing

[hollow heart]

cute

[fluid plank]

yes

🥺

new artist so good 🥺

[hollow heart]

this is my discovery today https://open.spotify.com/track/7cSZP2ugBFSBbWUiEYwAkC?si=RlGGYcTFQAi6GZhVljDXbg

[gritty current]

photons not fotons

[fluid plank]

futons

[gritty current]

||fuck||ons

[jovial island]

It is almost Halloween!

[gritty current]

woo!

[jovial island]

Is Sir Lancebot always online or something??

Oh, it runs on the server huh

Your computer's gonna burn if you run it 24 hours.

-a day

[remote cave]

rate my the project out of ten https://github.com/WolfPack9108/K-means
?????

[gritty current]

I think they have servers :/

[fluid plank]

ask a statistician

[jovial island]

duh why trolling 🤣

[wheat rock]

my ot does not exi- 😔

[jovial island]

It's just an a

You can be orea

[rotund python]

Terrific. Golang devs live without try catch exceptions

their code is full of verbose error catching after every action, all the errors are returned in tuples as secondary func output!

They have idioms to fight it though

[wheat rock]

lmao nice idea

[worldly harness]

its more verbose but it makes more sense

[rotund python]

yeah, it makes sense in their case. with compiled language they have more predictability that allows them having it

[worldly harness]

we do have panic and recover tho, but the go creators purposely didnt want people to use it (avoid it at least)

[rotund python]

one of main things I like about try catch thing in python...
that it keeps main code... as happy path clear of any error handling, all error handling happens somewhere at the end or somewhere else.

it looks just more readable

in golang case I guess we have a choice only to allign the happy path at the left to reach something similar

[worldly harness]

in languages with try / catch patterns, the error handling part would happen at the very end, meaning you can put more than one pieces of code that may error out and catch it at once. it does look more readable, whereas in go you'd have to check if errors at every step. in python:

try:
    return_value = job()
    return_value2 = job2(return_value)
except JobError as e:
    handle_error(e)

and go:

returnValue, err := job()
if err != nil { handleError(err) }
returnValue2, err := job2(returnValue)
if err != nil { handleError(err) }

however, it makes it easier to ignore errors. in python:

try:
    return_value = job()
except:
    pass

in go:

returnValue, _ := job()

[rotund python]

try:
    return_value = job()
except:
    pass

and to ignore even language syntax errors

that's why it is the biggest anti pattern #1 ;b

[worldly harness]

right, in that case it just doesn't make sense. why would one want to ignore a syntax error unless they're using eval on arbitrary input

but that would only happen in interpreted languages

[rotund python]

anyway, if you want to ignore specific error (which we always want being specific), python offers... readable and compact alternative, although even here you could try to ignore everything with pointing to suppress Exception

from contextlib import suppress

with suppress(FileNotFoundError):
    os.remove('somefile.tmp')

[worldly harness]

however, it makes it less readable if we're handling an error specific to a job when we have multiple things to do:

try:
    one()
    two()
    three()
except OneError:
    pass
except TwoError:
    pass
except ThreeError:
    pass

in the above case it's more readable to handle the error after each job, but that would just be the same as go

try:
    one()
except OneError:
    pass

try:
    two()
except TwoError:
    pass
# etc

err := one()
if err != nil {}
err := two()
if err != nil {}
err := three()
if err != nil {}

[dusky cliff]

from contextlib import suppress

suppress(BaseException).__enter__()
# full code
suppress(BaseException).__exit__()

🧠

[worldly harness]

while we're at it: https://github.com/gautamkrishnar/tcso#readme

[dusky cliff]

lmao

[rotund python]

try:
    one()
    two()
    three()
except (OneError, TwoError, ThreeError) as err:
    raise MyAppException from err

or we could handle all errors at once in some cases ;b
or just regather them as your own app exception

[worldly harness]

err != nil does just that, you can also err == package.SomeError || err == package.OtherError. but your code is only if we're handling those errors together

[dusky cliff]

i think in rust you return a Result enum variant which can be either Ok or Err and then you have to pattern match against that

[worldly harness]

but python's in operators amazing so you don't have to a==b or a==c or a==d

[worldly harness]

doesnt rust have like error assertion or something

[dusky cliff]

wdym

[worldly harness]

nvm maybe it's another language

[dusky cliff]

so you can either return Results or you can panic!

[rotund python]

what's the most minimalistic to assert smth in golang tests btw?

I like using just assert in python

assert Something == WithSomething

always available ;b and verbose enough to find the problem

[tranquil ridge]

Rust has assert macros too

assert! asserteq!

[fluid plank]

@assert vinam == c++

[tranquil ridge]

vinam == void* for now

[fluid plank]

no

[wheat rock]

yes

so we can catch the exception directly from the enum :pog:

[fluid plank]

yes

imma have to fork rust to introduce type Null

and get bashed

😔

[wheat rock]

lol

[worldly harness]

go doesn't have assertions. but why would you want it though? assert in python is just syntax sugar and I barely ever use it apart from unit tests. go also has many things that differ to other languages practices: https://golang.org/doc/faq#assertions. but if you reaaally want it: https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/stretchr/testify/assert

[rotund python]

xD exactly for testing

everything begins and ends with testing

I went even further, my coding begins with building CI/CD pipeline

[worldly harness]

TDD isn't always that good

[tranquil ridge]

Imagine

I have never used TDD

[rotund python]

I am not exactly following TDD to... all specifications
but still, it has quite great point. Build your software with testing in mind in advance

I start with writing infrastructure code, building the pipeline
packing my application to containers, running unit and integration tests

it is all just makes better final product and allows me to have less strain on remembering how to deploy things (because everything is automated)

[dusky cliff]

damn

[wild sluice]

hey

[dusky cliff]

hello

[river rampart]

hey

[fluid plank]

TDD depends on the nature of the project

but usually it is mostly used because it fits to almost anything

if for example your project cant be checked through tests alone, then probably you need to choose BDD

[worldly harness]

automation is both amazing and annoying

[fluid plank]

im drinking coffee and it tastes good

[rotund python]

the matter of having the right tools. once I learned the full package of necessary tools, it became certainly amazing.

[fluid plank]

the right tools for the right job is usually the go to choice unless you wanna live on the edge

[rotund python]

DevOps is really fresh, it is already living on the edge

among its instruments is certain competion, which will win

[worldly harness]

behaviour driven? how does that improve upon tdd?

[fluid plank]

there is also MLOps which i am interested to learn. i dont have time though. school succs

[rotund python]

for example among Configuration Management tools, I like Ansible pretty much. in comparison to other similar tools, it wins really strongly IMO because it is agentless and decentralized-serverless.

[fluid plank]

it covers and borrows the principles of TDD
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavior-driven_development

i still wonder why my teacher on highschool mentioned this kind of things. 🤔 probably because he expects some of us will learn programming in the future which I did. Still noob though lol

Oh well. i havent finished my coffee yet.

[worldly harness]

it looks to me like TDD plus natural language, user behaviour and... more descriptive I guess

[fluid plank]

It is like TDD is the dough of the pizza and the other things are the toppings

[sinful sun]

Speaking of tests

Does anyone know of a gui project with testing done

I got one at work and i dont even know how to start testing tkinter shit

[pliant trench]

That's why I don't like to write tests >:(
Sometimes it's impossible to implement tests

[fluid plank]

probably test the inputs and outputs. the gui itself is tricky to test

because sometimes there is no need to test it and let the users tell u there is an issue

dunno. just my observations on some stuff like window managers

[wide totem]

Legit thought the second link was legit for a moment

Like a github.com link

[sinful sun]

im not gonna trust users to report things to me tbh

[jovial island]

Would it be disrespectful/weird to wear a shirt that says ‘Captain’ to MEPS? 🤔

[jovial island]

will someone join my server and leave?

[sinful sun]

no

[jade bolt]

yeah, that is 200% advertising

[jovial island]

no

import discord
from discord.ext import commands

intents = discord.Intents.default()
intents.typing = False
intents.presences = False

TOKEN = open('token.txt', 'r').read()

bot = commands.Bot(command_prefix="lk!", intents=intents)

@bot.event
async def on_ready():
    print('Loki In Charge as @{0.user}'.format(bot))

@bot.command(name="hello")
async def embedm(ctx: commands.Context):
    embed = discord.Embed(color=0x00ff00)
    embed.title = "Hello!" 
    embed.description = f'{ctx.author.mention},Ok! Maybe Boy or girl!'
    await ctx.send(embed=embed)
  
@bot.event
async def on_message(message):
    if message.content == "hello":
        await message.channel.send(f"Hey Man! Whats up?{message.author.mention}")
        await message.author.create_dm()
        await message.author.dm_channel.send(f'Hi {message.author.name}, Hope you are Fine!, Isnt? {message.author.mention}!')

    elif isinstance(message.channel, discord.channel.DMChannel) and message.author != bot.user:
        if message.content == "hello":
            embed = discord.Embed(color=0x00ff00)
            embed.title = "Hello!" 
            embed.description = f'{message.author.mention},Ok! Maybe Boy or girl!'
            await message.dm_channel.send(embed=embed) 
 
    await bot.process_commands(message)

@bot.event
async def on_member_join(member):
    await member.create_dm()
    await member.dm_channel.send(f'Hello {member.mention}!! Welcome to Our Discord Server!')
    await bot.process_commands(member)

bot.run(TOKEN)

seee

full code

@jade bolt

!e

[clever salmon]

Command Help

!eval [code]
Can also use: e

*Run Python code and get the results.

This command supports multiple lines of code, including code wrapped inside a formatted code block. Code can be re-evaluated by editing the original message within 10 seconds and clicking the reaction that subsequently appears.

We've done our best to make this sandboxed, but do let us know if you manage to find an issue with it!*

[jovial island]

!e

import discord
from discord.ext import commands

intents = discord.Intents.default()
intents.typing = False
intents.presences = False

TOKEN = open('token.txt', 'r').read()

bot = commands.Bot(command_prefix="lk!", intents=intents)

@bot.event
async def on_ready():
    print('Loki In Charge as @{0.user}'.format(bot))

@bot.command(name="hello")
async def embedm(ctx: commands.Context):
    embed = discord.Embed(color=0x00ff00)
    embed.title = "Hello!" 
    embed.description = f'{ctx.author.mention},Ok! Maybe Boy or girl!'
    await ctx.send(embed=embed)
  
@bot.event
async def on_message(message):
    if message.content == "hello":
        await message.channel.send(f"Hey Man! Whats up?{message.author.mention}")
        await message.author.create_dm()
        await message.author.dm_channel.send(f'Hi {message.author.name}, Hope you are Fine!, Isnt? {message.author.mention}!')

    elif isinstance(message.channel, discord.channel.DMChannel) and message.author != bot.user:
        if message.content == "hello":
            embed = discord.Embed(color=0x00ff00)
            embed.title = "Hello!" 
            embed.description = f'{message.author.mention},Ok! Maybe Boy or girl!'
            await message.dm_channel.send(embed=embed) 
 
    await bot.process_commands(message)

@bot.event
async def on_member_join(member):
    await member.create_dm()
    await member.dm_channel.send(f'Hello {member.mention}!! Welcome to Our Discord Server!')
    await bot.process_commands(member)

bot.run(TOKEN)

[clever salmon]

@jovial island :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
003 | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'discord'

[jovial island]

!e
import os

[clever salmon]

@jovial island :warning: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[sinful sun]

my guy what

#bot-commands

[worldly harness]

lol if I sent the github link it doesnt have da docs

[slow valve]

ah yes

[hazy laurel]

well, this is depressing... Apparently I've only been in this server for a day

!user

[clever salmon]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[hazy laurel]

youch

[grim seal]

don't think so

[worldly harness]

"language apart from go" lmao

[wild python]

I just put a 100ms sleep in a program so that things happen in the right order... I feel dirty

[worldly harness]

concurrency mess I'm guessing?

[wild python]

not really - it's a gtk application and there's probably some kind of timer in another thread. it's not my program and the other threads appear to be blocked/idle while the main thread sleeps, but clearly do something in those 100ms

[tawdry fog]

First time I've disliked python a lot was just now...

I just printed 14 pages accidentally because instead of typing console.log(first_elem) I typed print(first_elem)

[median blade]

lol

[daring jay]

print() does actual printing in JS? That's pretty funny.

also, please indent your code

No one likes to read code that isn't

[foggy flicker]

never knew about print in node

wait

thats not node

sad

[jovial island]

Happened with me. Yes.

[jovial island]

Yes. It opens print page bar

I was once so fucking confused that what the fuck is happening

[dusky cliff]

F

[tawdry fog]

It was because I had just copied that cause I cut it out while debugging trust me I can't not indent from programming in python for multiple years.

Yes, that's what I was saying, I'm teaching myself js and from instinct from coding in python for so long instead of typing console.log I typed print thus printing out the pages.

[royal topaz]

hello guys

I am coding this event input leaderboard thing

and I am stuck at the moment, using python

is anyone down to help

[carmine herald]

i think its just how the lemonsona works

[tranquil ridge]

because it does

[echo flower]

printing as in the printer?

as in physical paper?

oof

[tawdry fog]

Yup…

[jovial island]

We added that cause lemon had a beard

Has*

[dim root]

a big beard

[radiant socket]

@plain granite

[plain granite]

ok so of course it wouldn't compile in some languages, but that's how it is for most static languages

[wheat aurora]

[radiant socket]

such as? there aren't many i can think of that would let that compile

[formal basin]

a char is a size of integer and you can convert (in some cases lossily)
a string (c calls it a char *) is a collection and you cannot convert

[plain granite]

C, C++, I'm sure rust has a version of it aswell, same with go

it's just coercion lol

[radiant socket]

char in rust is not an int type

[plain granite]

you get the idea

[formal basin]

Doesn't rust use u8?

[plain granite]

substitute it with other types if you wish

the syntax wouldn't compile on rust anyways lmao

[radiant socket]

yeah, but you can't add it to u8, you have to cast it

[plain granite]

it's just an example

i bet there's types in rust you can coerce

[radiant socket]

such as? i can't think of any

[formal basin]

"char" in rust is not equivalent to the concept of "char" in other languages

Char typically refers to a byte, but in rust it's a unicode scalar.

The equivalent type in Rust would be u8, not char

[radiant socket]

i think it's a unicode scalar, but i'm just nitpicking

[plain granite]

ok, i guess rust is an exception, but other languages work like that

[formal basin]

Rust still does work, but only with the type which is actually analogous

[radiant socket]

that's because their char type is basically just a reskinned u8

[plain granite]

@radiant socket here you go

[radiant socket]

well yeah. he basically said "you can pass a u8 into a function othat accepts a u8"

[plain granite]

ok, well java also has parameter coercion

[radiant socket]

does it?

[plain granite]

yeah

[radiant socket]

can you show me an example?

[plain granite]

so does C#

[shrewd lance]

C# does allow defining implicit conversions

Not sure about Java

Extending an int to a larger size and/or a float is walking on the border of "Yeah, it technically is a coercion, but come on" though

[radiant socket]

yeah, a lot do widening conversions like thata

[plain granite]

public class Main
{
    public static double coerce(double x) {
        return x;
    }
    
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        System.out.println(coerce(4));
    }
}

there

that's a working java example

don't judge my code 😭 i dont do java

[dusky cliff]

afaik java only allows coercion from char to int to float to double

[plain granite]

^there you go

[shrewd lance]

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Technically you'd call that a coercion, but it's really just... it's very, very far removed from coercing a string to an int

[dusky cliff]

oh, and the byte short long thingies too ig

[shrewd lance]

Oh, java also coerces to string on +

[dusky cliff]

oh right

[shrewd lance]

But yeah, these are the very basic conversions that are rarely problematic. Except for the string one, I prefer Python's approach

[dusky cliff]

it doesnt have a f-string equivalent so its handy 🤷

[shrewd lance]

Yeah fair

[dusky cliff]

i think c# has something like f-strings?

[radiant socket]

yeah it does

[shrewd lance]

Yeah, $ for interpolated string literals

[plain granite]

package main
import "fmt"

func coerce(x float32) float32 {
    return x;
}

func main() {
    fmt.Printf("%T\n",coerce(5))
}

here's one in go

[shrewd lance]

Again, it's the same

[plain granite]

@radiant socket as you can see it will compile on most languages

[shrewd lance]

Extending to a different numeric type is the most "ackchyually" coercion of all coercions

[radiant socket]

fair

but then again the original point was statically typed languages do more coercions in general, not just widening conversions of numbers

whatever ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plain granite]

widening numbers are pretty much the essence of coercion

[radiant socket]

if you say so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[odd sphinx]

wait

I don't understand why u have the same types for the return value and the parameter of that coerce function

isn't that useless

or is 4 not a double

right

so can't u do (double) 4

or 4.0

[dusky cliff]

the point was that ints get coerced to doubles implicitly

[odd sphinx]

oh

lol!

[rain cave]

@rugged portal 🥳

[rugged portal]

:)

Can't wait to play beamng mp

[rain cave]

Yeah sorry, I see if you wanna leave dude

[rugged portal]

It needs to download first

[rain cave]

Its my fault to have too many things on my plate so

ok then maybe we can finish this one?

[rugged portal]

i need to download 120 gb

So we got around 45 min

[rain cave]

fast internet!

ok lets go then while I got you here hehe

So we have the functions, but the one with average need to be N=28

and then we somehow need to get the results from different functions into a new function tabell(vaxthusgaserdata)

im clueless hehe

[rugged portal]

When is this due anyways?

[rain cave]

ehm

im ashamed to tell you xD

[rugged portal]

[rain cave]

tomorrow before lunch

[rugged portal]

how

on a saturday

[rain cave]

yepp xd

chaos

I've had so much in school so I really coudln't get to this before a couple days ago

and a bunch of things outside school happend so yeah

[rugged portal]

Could you repost the table structure>

?

[rain cave]

For sure

So im guessing its "just" to forst print the header, then the -----, then more headers, then info then ===

"just"

[rugged portal]

Judging on this we would need to find the longest string an make a table based off of that.

[rain cave]

I mean maybe we can make it look like a table using format?

[rugged portal]

idunno

no one does this manually

[rain cave]

oh maybe that's wrong then

i odn't know

I googled on how to make a table wihtout modules

But I think that's th eonly way

[rugged portal]

Is this good enough?

!e ```py
table_data = [
['a', 'b', 'c'],
['aaaaaaaaa', 'b', 'c'],
['a', 'bbbbbbbbbb', 'c']
]
for row in table_data:
print("{: >20} {: >20} {: >20}".format(*row))

[clever salmon]

@rugged portal :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 |                    a                    b                    c
002 |            aaaaaaaaa                    b                    c
003 |                    a           bbbbbbbbbb                    c

[rain cave]

yeeah for sure!

and I can add the lines and stuff

and the header and center it somehow

[rugged portal]

Baby steps

[rain cave]

yeah sorry its just fun when its start making sense in my head

and you're damn good

[rugged portal]

so done ig

  Livsmedelsindustri                  936                  845
Metallindustri (exkl. jarn- och stal)                 1319                 1121
        Kemiindustri                 2103                 2022
Ovrig (gruvindustri travaruhandel m.m.)                 2710                 2402
Massa- och pappersindustri samt tryckerier                 2613                 2272
Raffinaderier samt distribution av olja och gas                 2206                 2333
Mineralindustri (exkl. metaller)                 3065                 2659
Jarn- och stalindustri                 5584                 5434

😂

[rain cave]

we need the years of min and max

and average of the entire row

hmmm

[rugged portal]

I got this so far

[rain cave]

dude!

that looks amazing!

just some lines and headers and its 10000% good

[rugged portal]

There are headers it's just that small lol

[rain cave]

Yeah but over that there's some text "Utsläppsnivåer av koldioxidekvivalenter (uttryckt i tusen ton) inom olika branscher under åren 1991 till 2018."

centered over the table

[rugged portal]

?

[rain cave]

in the screen shot

u can just paste in what I wrote in swedish heh

its that long text over the headers

[rugged portal]

naahhh your goood

[rain cave]

ok ok!

Looks super nice tho

[rain cave]

dude you're a geniuus

that is perfect

thanks man

[rugged portal]

You can also see it's sorted on avg price lol

[rain cave]

haha hooow are you so good

I need to know

[rugged portal]

covid, a pc and 6 months

[rain cave]

no way you learned this in 6 monhts? 😮

MENSA member?

[rugged portal]

I started python 6 months ago but i already coded some things in PHP

[rain cave]

how old are you?

[rugged portal]

18

hbu?

[rain cave]

22!

damn dude, you have a super bright future

congrats!

[rugged portal]

i wished lol

[rain cave]

and youre nice too!

ofc you do!

[rugged portal]

Well maby not in coding since in our school we're forced to also study our own language.

And if you happen to suck at it you basically can't do any education :)

[rain cave]

whaat

but that's a great thing tho about this buissnies

you don't need a degree

make a good portfolio and you'll have job offers everywhere you look

I have a freind who taught himself coding, he works in copenhagen now and earns 5+k euros a month as his first job

no formal coding education

[rugged portal]

Oh btw i found some old code of mine from before i learned python

function firsterr(array $num, int $pr): int {
    $err = 0;
    for ($i = $pr; $i < count($num); $i++) {
        $encc = false;
        for ($j = $i - $pr; $j < $i; $j++) {
            for ($k = $i - $pr; $k < $i; $k++) {
                if ($num[$j] + $num[$k] == $num[$i]) {
                    $encc = true;
                    break;
                }
            }
            if ($encc) {
                break;
            }
        }
        if ($encc === false) {
            return $num[$i];
        }
    }
    return $err;
}
``` so don't feel too bad 😂

[rain cave]

hahah that looks crazy xD

[rugged portal]

Ah y know with me it clicked one day

[rain cave]

I hope that happens to me too!

[rugged portal]

You start learning about functions and objects and if your are busy with those you just learn alot

[rain cave]

yeah after this assignment i wanna learn "for real"

[rugged portal]

I recommend learning functions, objects and OOP

import csv

with open("./vaxthusgaserdata_3.csv", "r", newline='') as csv_file:
    csv_data = list(csv.reader(csv_file, delimiter=";"))

def func_max_min(input_list: list) -> tuple:
    min_val, max_val = input_list[0], input_list[0]
    min_year = csv_data[0][1:][0]
    max_year = csv_data[0][1:][0]

    for year, item in zip(csv_data[0][1:], input_list):
       if item > max_val:
           max_year = year
           max_val = item
       if item < min_val:
           min_year = year
           min_val = item

    return (min_val, max_val, min_year, max_year)

def avg_co2(input_list: list, N: int) -> list:
    def chunks(lst: list, n: int) -> list:
        for i in range(0, len(lst), n):
            yield lst[i:i + n]

    result = list(chunks(input_list, N))
    years = list(chunks(csv_data[0][1:], N))

    return ", ".join(
        [
            f"{sum(r) / len(r)} (avarage of years {'+'.join(year)})"
            for r, year
            in zip(result, years)
        ]
    )

headers = ["name", "min_val", "min_year", "max_val", "max_year", "Model 1991-2018 (avg)"]
print("{: >60} | {: >10} | {: >10} | {: >10} | {: >10} | {: >20}".format(*headers))

for row in csv_data[1:]:
    numbers = list(map(int, row[1:]))
    min_val, max_val, min_year, max_year = func_max_min(numbers)

    data = [row[0], min_val, min_year, max_val, max_year, avg_co2(numbers, 28).split(' ')[0].split('.')[0]]
    print("{: >60} | {: >10} | {: >10} | {: >10} | {: >10} | {: >20}".format(*data))

[rain cave]

thaaanks man

hmm

I get the avg before the name

but I think that a Jupyter issue cause the string looks right

[rugged portal]

wut?

[rugged portal]

That is bcs your screen is too small lol

[rain cave]

yeah I figured xD

[rugged portal]

do ctrl+ -

I never use jupiter anyways i find it really weird.

[rain cave]

Yeah It doesn't make sense to me at all

that solved it! Thanks! ❤️

So dude, I hate, really hate to ask but... could you help me with one or two more depending on your download?

[rugged portal]

I did it in record time so.

[rain cave]

hahah yeah you could get a job today

promise

[rugged portal]

doubt

[rain cave]

Do you know plotting?

[rugged portal]

I'm a quick learner

[rain cave]

I can tell!

Yeah so next assignment is to take the CSV file and make a diagram

[rugged portal]

... do we need to use plotter for that?

[rain cave]

Look something liek this

plt thingt I think

[rugged portal]

Is this also due for tomorrow?

[rain cave]

The funciton name is plotta_data(vaxthusgaser)

Yes 😦

But If you don't want to do it

I ll leave it blank and I think I can squeeze out an extra few days

this hand in is to other students, then we can change a few things and then its the hand in for grading

[rugged portal]

Tbf this one is doable, you should look into it, it's not that late yet.

I think you could solve this one in an hour tops

[rain cave]

Yeah It looks super hard, I have never done any plotting or something

[rugged portal]

You basically need to pass the lists in the function object then print it to an img.

[rain cave]

If you can't help I will for sure try! But I have somethings with my family members I have to help them with tonight

[rugged portal]

There are tons of examples online.

[rain cave]

Yeah sounds easy when you write it like that haha

[rugged portal]

Haha, no but i've been coding since 9 am now so it's me time now :)

[rain cave]

Ok dude, Thanks for the help. Wanna answer my friend request? you seem nice, maybe we can play a game or something some day

no pressure

[rugged portal]

Sure,

[rain cave]

I really appericiate your help so much, I can barely describe

[rugged portal]

Also if you deliver these results you will likely get some extra time..

[rain cave]

might ACTUALLY save my studies

[rugged portal]

Sure

[rain cave]

there's been things outside of school happening which I couldn't control really so

thanks man

[rugged portal]

Atleast i can help someone make their studies instead of my own😂

[rain cave]

I will see If I can make a try tonight. Otherwise Ill be in here again begging for help on sunday haha 🤣

[rain cave]

Sorry my man, hope you can get to it! If its something I can help with I will! I'm used to write business english and long papers haha

*after my hand in heh

[rain cave]

Enjoy friday! I hope to hear from you 🙂 Cya!

[rugged portal]

You too :)

[rugged portal]

Hahaha english is not the issue, it's dutch unless you are good with that hehe

[rain cave]

haha, sorry, not my strong suit xD

[rugged portal]

Really? Huh weird.

[rain cave]

xD

Cya!

[rugged portal]

👋

[gaunt jacinth]

@grim seal i know i keep bothering you about this (sorry ) but can you just confirm this is right? (if im hosting a web AND mail server on my network)

the mail bit is tripping me up

[grim seal]

uhhh

[jovial island]

Is that how MX works

[grim seal]

yeah that should be right

[gaunt jacinth]

good question

[grim seal]

yes

it is

[jovial island]

What a weird record

[grim seal]

oh actually no

close, but it needs to point to an A record, not a CNAME

[gaunt jacinth]

oh

[grim seal]

NS and MX and a few others cannot point to CNAMES

[jovial island]

Okay, that's just stupid at that point

I can see why NS

But not why MX cannot point to a CNAME

[gaunt jacinth]

like?

[grim seal]

good reason

[gaunt jacinth]

where the two blacked out ip's are the same

[grim seal]

it's because MX records should resolve backwards as well

[gaunt jacinth]

ah makes sense

[hazy laurel]

Does hiding the IP do anything? Isn't it public anyways

[grim seal]

a lot of email relies on being able to resolve a domain name from an IP, CNAME breaks that

I like it that way

[jovial island]

Isn't that what RDNS is for?

[grim seal]

lol ya

[gaunt jacinth]

it is, and currently it isnt even my ip so i dont know why im bothering lol

[grim seal]

yes, but if you RDNS then you'll get back one of two values, do you use the MX or the CNAME pointer?

[jovial island]

Well just make your RDNS return one record and not two?

[gaunt jacinth]

is that right now?

[jovial island]

Or is that a bad thing

[grim seal]

no, RDNS should only ever return 1 record

but which do you return

it's similar to the reasons why CNAMEs do not work at the root

if a CNAME RR is present at a label then no other record data should be present

and it also just isn't great to have mail servers recursive resolving to high heaven

[jovial island]

So how can RDNSing that IP can return two records

If RDNS is only ever supposed to return one

[grim seal]

well the IP will be valid for mail.whatever.com as well as whatever the CNAME points to

[gaunt jacinth]

it means you have to update the ip in both A records (mail/web) tho if it changes right?

[grim seal]

whereas for simplicity it should really be one, and the returned value should be a label, the label matters more than the IP in some scenarios for MX

yes you would need to update the A

[gaunt jacinth]

is this right now?

[grim seal]

eventually ALIAS RR might exist

and then that'd even work on the apex

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dnsop-eden-alias-rr-type-00

expired in 2017 though

some DNS providers might implement it

it's basically a standard for CNAME flattening

and with that you could have an MX that points at an ALIAS

Authoritative name servers with support for ALIAS records MUST
support both A and AAAA materialization. When an authoritative name
server receives a request for a name, and the zone contains an ALIAS
record at that location, the authoritative name server MUST respond
as follows:

The server will respond with one or more A records (for a QTYPE A) or
one or more AAAA records (for a QTYPE AAAA) obtained by either: *
executing a recursive query for the ALIAS content or, * returning a
previously cached response.

If the recursive query returns an NXDOMAIN response, then the
authoritative name server MUST return an NXDOMAIN response as well.

it'd be nice to have a standardised ALIAS but no one desperately needs it

[gaunt jacinth]

joe please 😂 a yes/no/idk would help greatly lol

[grim seal]

yep

[gaunt jacinth]

many thanks 😄

now i gotta learn SMTP from scratch 🎉

[grim seal]

oof

that's a choice

if you actually want to use that domain for email in the future, don't learn SMTP on it

[gaunt jacinth]

wdym?

[grim seal]

if you start playing around with SMTP and don't get it fully right then email servers will blocklist your domain and IP

and it's almost impossible to rebuild that

get a burner domain and IP if you want to play with SMTP

[gaunt jacinth]

ive installed an SMTP server locally and am writing scripts that hopefully communicate with it to learn locally before expanding

so if i block my own IP i can just delete the entry

[grim seal]

if someone like Microsoft or Google block you then you can't use that domain anymore

[gaunt jacinth]

wouldnt testing it locally mean i dont deal with them yet?

[grim seal]

locally is fine yeah

just don't leak SMTP onto the public web

[gaunt jacinth]

ill try not too lol
and ill really try to not accidentally implement an email proxy for anyone to use (which ive heard is more common then i think)

[grim seal]

that's most smtp

to some extent it's the point lol

[gaunt jacinth]

cant i just proxy messages from my own custom email address ONLY
so noone but me can use it?

[formal basin]

yes, but you need proper authorization for that to work

[gaunt jacinth]

yeah that fine, i can make... something that will work

a public/private key perhaps

[digital ledge]

Does this work on Windows or Linux only ?
https://github.com/thombashi/tcconfig

[jovial island]

Hey @lucid girder, pls rate my design

My game so far

[upbeat sandal]

the faCtOrY mUst Grow

[jovial island]

exactly!

[ionic locust]

What game is this?

[jovial island]

factorio

[upbeat sandal]

factorio

[ionic locust]

Thanks

[lucid girder]

Looks... normal? I'm not sure what to say besides that

factorio

[clever salmon]

factorio

[jovial island]

fair

[tawdry salmon]

factorio

[jovial island]

it is already past midnight, dear god

I thought I played for like an hour max

I could watch trains all day long

Thank you 158

always more

[hallow pond]

https://tenor.com/view/ea-sports-e-ea-meme-gif-14922519

[upbeat sandal]

That is so fetch

[pliant trench]

this game's great

[slow valve]

Lmfao

[slow valve]

I can't play factorio alone those things scare me even if I am armed

[fluid plank]

i have not tried playing factorio

cant relate

i guess i will buy it

[jovial island]

Honestly I'm more scared by trains than bitters

If it gets too hairy and I cannot kill them in time, I just do a artillery launch

It will destroy some of my buildings but I have drones, sooo

I wonder if there are death counts somewhere

Honestly I think the train damages are way too high

I have like three MK. II shields and the best armor and they still destroy me

[slow valve]

U r far into game

[jovial island]

60h of gameplay

[slow valve]

Lol use train to kill those bitters

[quaint siren]

this is a LOT

[jade bolt]

on which game btw

nvm factorio

gotta check out

need to get rid of my genshin addiction

[jade bolt]

by finding another addictive game

[pliant trench]

factocool

[carmine herald]

i like when games let me instate a dictatorship supremacy and then commit genocide
rimworld go brrrrrr

[median blade]

lesgo

[jade bolt]

commit genocide sounds good

i wish genshin gives me more freedom

i want to kill every npc

[carmine herald]

or u can get a bethesda game then quick save and murder everyone on the town then reload

[jade bolt]

mmm

sounds good too

[fluid plank]

just kill timmy's birds

elemental burst the heck out of them

[jade bolt]

i always do that

who doesnt

i get an easy commission

[fluid plank]

me

[jade bolt]

for killing timmy's birds

[fluid plank]

i kill timmy himself

not the birds

[jade bolt]

and killing timmy's ducks

[jade bolt]

i killed timmy's mama

[fluid plank]

i killed timmy's 10th gen ancestors

[jade bolt]

i tried to destroy/eat the food timmy's mom gave

but failed

[fluid plank]

okay im pretty sure im at the point of trolling again byebye

[jade bolt]

i wish they let me to, and get extra wuest

[jade bolt]

nah, doesnt everyone do that

i killed timmy's son

[fluid plank]

at least we are not like the other trolls that really disrupt shit and become an annoyance to mods even to disrespect them lol

but imma head out. im reading an article and u dont wanna read what im reading

[carmine herald]

bet

[jade bolt]

perhaps

send me, bet

im reading weathering with you's novel because i have too much time to waste

[fluid plank]

bet

[jade bolt]

ew biology

k u win

[full marlin]

ooh virus rep

cool

[ionic locust]

spicy

[median blade]

dark mode when

[fluid plank]

i dont use dark mode on PDFs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i prefer the original format

otherwise it becomes unfaithful

[median blade]

[pliant trench]

this vadar one's great haha

[carmine herald]

jokes on you i cant even read that lmao

what is this an image for ants?

[fluid plank]

jokes on you i study microbiology

goodnight zzz

[carmine herald]

imagine going to bed at 11am

weird

[fluid plank]

well maybe u. it is 12AM here

[carmine herald]

timezones are a myth

its 11am

[fluid plank]

hmm i guess the earth is flat too. maybe

[carmine herald]

most likely

[fluid plank]

my eyes are falling now

night

[carmine herald]

baii

[real forum]

It's 6 pm here

[dusky cliff]

you live in the wrong timezone

[real forum]

And what's the wrong time zone

[dusky cliff]

the one you live in

[real forum]

I don't live here

So

[carmine herald]

its 11am yall are buying into fake time made up by BIG TECH smh

[real forum]

Technically big tech made your time

Since Europe was first

But ok

[carmine herald]

no thats what BIG MEDIA wants you to believe

europe aint reak

look at briish food its like an alien tried to copy human culture and then came up with nonsense like WATER SANDWICH

[odd sphinx]

jellied eel

[lusty brook]

what is going on here 👀

[tribal tinsel]

That's just Brits, they're aliens, as you say, but the rest of us Europeans are real!

[odd sphinx]

zucc hometown 😂

[carmine herald]

im sure thats just BIG PHARMA or BIG TECH or BIG CHUNGUS

[tribal tinsel]

I give you big catto

[dusky cliff]

lowkey a perfect ellipse lmao
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/oujgafbikq

[hazy laurel]

lol

[tribal tinsel]

Yep. He's lying on a circular mat. Perfectly

[hazy laurel]

I remember reading that cats like to lay on contrasting objects

like things that stand out from what they're on top of

[tribal tinsel]

Well, he doesn't seem to mind being basically the same colour of the mat and the table

[hazy laurel]

lol

my cat always loves to lay on my mousepad

... while I'm using it

[tribal tinsel]

I have photos with the other cat in the box. But my nibling is also in the box, so I'm not gonna post it

[hazy laurel]

I'll send the shipping label

[dusky cliff]

yea cats like mice

[hazy laurel]

oh damn

I never thought of that

[keen burrow]

Perfect, it is already in the box. I'll DM you my address.

It is cuuute!

[carmine herald]

i knew BIG CATTO was behind all of this "timezone" lie

[tribal tinsel]

Of course. Who else would benefit from day virtually being longer?

[carmine herald]

damn wake up sheeple, BIG CATTO is here

[normal quartz]

*later

not longer

[rotund python]

<@&831776746206265384>

Spammer Scammer from this server

[odd sphinx]

bruh

[royal lantern]

dm @vapid maple about it

[shadow gate]

lol even i got a similar message

[carmine lance]

Lmao it's the same freaking message 10000% selfbots

[wide totem]

ikr, i got it three times from a person

[frail steppe]

Hey everybody

I'm new here!

[crystal bramble]

Hi new, im dad

[carmine lance]

No, they clearly said that they are "new here" not "new" :^)

[fluid plank]

hi new im old

[frail steppe]

hehe

[jade bolt]

how dare you, their name is "new here!" not "new", im new.

dont mistake me and them

[worldly harness]

hi new and new here!

[jovial island]

Happy Halloween

[jovial island]

Hi there!

[tribal tinsel]

"virtually longer"
Virtually means not really, it just seems like it

[carmine herald]

I'll buy all of it

[normal quartz]

it doesn't seem longer if you get up early
it is virtually later, since although it isn't actually later, it seems so due to how we set our clocks
it is not virtually longer

[tribal tinsel]

It does seem longer if you go by your biological clock. Because you wake up that one hour "earlier" if you wake up naturally. Or you sleep one hour more if you wake up with the alarm
It can be virtually both. Because "virtually" describes the illusion and you just perceive the illusion in a different way

Also, the longer thing was mainly to make the joke about big catto (after Starcy mentioned big tech/big pharma as jokes )

[normal quartz]

so really you should say

from day virtually being longer for me?

[normal quartz]

yeah ik

but I enjoy nitpicking

[tribal tinsel]

*for cattos

Hm, since when do I have 180 notifications...

157 from one server XDDD

And it's not a spam server!

Just a gdkp server, with over 15 channels for raids...

[frigid pollen]

@pliant trench [*zip(*matrix)] Try this on for size.

[pliant trench]

I just found out this on the docs

[radiant socket]

transpose 🎉

[vague smelt]

'CALL "C:\Program Files\nodejs\\node.exe" "C:\Program Files\nodejs\\node_modules\npm\bin\npm-cli.js" prefix -g' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.

why does this happen when i run npm

[jovial island]

i think u should ask that in the node server

[vague smelt]

what node server?

[jovial island]

the discord one, cause this is for py only

[real forum]

It's off topic so

[jovial island]

ah. mb i thought this was like general or something

cause discord is glitchy asf on linux

[real forum]

Np np

[jade bolt]

because you are using windows

you will most likely have less issues in linux

[vague smelt]

why does that have anything to do with it

[jade bolt]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

linux just fixes everything

i switched to wsl for everything

[elfin vine]

Better design and architecture

[rare stratus]

#bot-commands

[sterile nymph]

How far is checking crypto transactions to training a model for image recognition

[mental idol]

Mmmmm, feels good on a chill Sunday.

[radiant socket]

how does one create a matrix with a kernel that has a basis {(2, 2, 1, 0), (3, 1, 0, 1)}

[echo fern]

let's choose (totally arbitrarily, in such a way as to simplify the matrix as much as possible) two other eigenvectors are (0,0,1,0) and (0,0,0,1), both with eigenvalue 1. Then:

A[:,3] = (0,0,0,1)
A[:,2] = (0,0,1,0)

so this choice gives us half the matrix already, and then we're left with:

A =
a00 a01 0 0
a10 a11 0 0
a20 a21 1 0
a30 a31 0 1

A (2, 2, 1, 0) = 0
A (3, 1, 0, 1) = 0

which we solve:

2a00+2a01 = 0 (from first)
3a00 + a01 = 0 (from second)
therefore a00=a01=0
Similarly a10 = a11 = 0
Third row is slightly different:
2a20+2a21+1 = 0 (from first)
3a20+a21=0 (from second)
therefore -4a20+1=0 => a20 = 1/4, a21 = -3/4
So is fourth row:
2a30+2a31 = 0
3a30+a31+1 = 0
-4a30-2=0 => a30 = -1/2, a31 = 1/2

So

A = 
0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0
1/4 -3/4 1 0
-1/2 1/2 0 1

fits the bill. We can multiply it by the two original vectors to see that we indeed get zeros.

@radiant socket

[radiant socket]

:O

[radiant socket]

ty <3

[hidden kernel]

@sharp wyvern Can you change your profile pic?

[sharp wyvern]

ye sorry

[copper tartan]

love this otname

[proper python]

WOOOO WHO ARE THE LOSERS IN CHAT TONIGHT

[jovial island]

?

[radiant socket]

?

[mental idol]

@shadow plover - You made a comment in #python-discussion earlier that having all the automation tests written by devs runs the risk that the devs don't know the end-user experience like a QA team does. You're 100% correct and what my workplace is finding is that it isn't an excuse we accept anymore. The devs step up, level up, and consider not only how the code should work but how a user might use it.

Not easy, with plenty of struggle in the process. We're merging QA teams into dev teams to help break the silo's down and spread the knowledge. A year will show if we've learned anything

[shadow plover]

yeah totally, its not an easy problem to solve.. but putting everything on the devs isnt really fair IMO

u need ppl to use it in weird ways u cant think of and break it xD

[dusky cliff]

A QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 99999999999 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. Orders a ueicbksjdhd.

First real customer walks in and asks where the bathroom is. The bar bursts into flames, killing everyone.

[shadow plover]

lmao

[mental idol]

100% this!

My teams struggle to bring on new folks because "They just work on tier one". Oh boy does that get me on my soap box

JUST tier 1? My friends, those folks know more about how to use our systems than you do.

[shadow plover]

lul. so many bugs in my code were when something happened that i didnt think of.. which is why getting other brains to interact is importanto

[mental idol]

The Phoenix Project changed my mind on this humorous concept.

[fluid plank]

hsp

how dark is your brain

[hazy laurel]

hsp has a brain??

[fluid plank]

i mean his outer layer is just plain poop

literally i can classify him as a slime

just poop

[hazy laurel]

that is an interesting thought I don't want to follow through with

[fluid plank]

hmm imma register his species

Slimus feceae

[fluid plank]

be like my brain

[hazy laurel]

that reminds me

apparently our state has a "state lizard"

the New Mexico Whiptail

[fluid plank]

yeah and?

[hazy laurel]

"Aspidoscelis neomexicanus"

I just thought the "neomexicanus" was funny lol

[fluid plank]

i find it fit for the theme of the species

since it is new mexico

[hazy laurel]

apparently it's comprised of only females

[fluid plank]

well latinize everything

[hazy laurel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_whiptail

[fluid plank]

ah an ace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6DNdop6pD8 imma reshare this gold

[hazy laurel]

oh nah

[fluid plank]

rawr x3 pounces on you uwu u so warm

damn

makes me

giggly

[hazy laurel]

._.

[fluid plank]

i see. so is it time for me to get a bonk?

[hazy laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-bear-slap-me-you-gif-17942299

[fluid plank]

mood

my other part of my brain slaps me too

[hazy laurel]

oh my. I updated pipewire-media-session

and my laptop audio seems so loud now

👀 GitHub Copilot works on CLion now

[dusky cliff]

hm

[fluid plank]

yes

there is a lot of fixes

[dusky cliff]

it has been working in pycharm since i got it

[fluid plank]

i dont use github copilot

sad

[hazy laurel]

Yeah, only a few IDEs worked with 1.0.1

but now it works on all of them, I think

PyCharm was one that worked, along with I think WebStorm and IntelliJ

but now CLion and Rider work as well

dunno about GoLand or anything

[dusky cliff]

arent all jetbrains ides basically just intellij with different skins lol

[hazy laurel]

Apparently not

Well, I'd think they're more diverse than that

[fluid plank]

thats actually true

but

each IDE is specialized for it. it is not just a reskin

[dusky cliff]

do you want a hex code of the colour

[fluid plank]

maybe

[hazy laurel]

#000000

[fluid plank]

#ddddddd

[dusky cliff]

i have a few

[fluid plank]

i have committed a sin again zzz

im fancy with light theme

[carmine herald]

yes u used fb messenger bad

[wheat rock]

git commit sin

[fluid plank]

sad. i mean how can i avoid using it if the country itself has 99% fb users?

[dull ridge]

india moment

[dusky cliff]

he isnt indian lol

[dull ridge]

oH

[jovial island]

Indonesia is like that too. They also got mom as ultra undefeated infitie powered diety . Just like us.

And you find your parents and all the neighbor uncles and all the family folks on fb

[frigid pollen]

@regal plume You almost have it. You need to call your analysis function and give it the array. You assign the return of that to your vars.

[regal plume]

but ITS NOT MAKING SENSE

i have analyzeValues(floatArray)

so my function is running

but how do i access the return

and put it o my variable

its not clicking

https://tenor.com/view/panik-kalm-calm-meme-memer-gif-20895926

[frigid pollen]

a, b, c = analyzeValues(floatArray)

[regal plume]

OH

OH MY GOD

[frigid pollen]

Where a,b,c are the appropriately named vars

and the right number of them

and in the order you returned them

[regal plume]

yes

thank god

thank you so much

@frigid pollen i appreciate it so much, have a great night, enjoy your dinner

[fluid plank]

hi neighbor country

[kindred bridge]

Pakistan ?

[fluid plank]

?

how is indonesia a neighbor to pakistan

[carmine herald]

is it not

[jade bolt]

depends on what you are comparing with

pakistan is a neighbor of indonesia, if you're comparing between sun and earth

[fluid haven]

[fluid plank]

probably a messed up sense of geography but okiee

[carmine herald]

is it a problem to not really know much about geography on the other side of the world?

[odd sphinx]

yes

well

u gotta know a drop of something about the other side of the world at least

[fluid plank]

probably in the universe

[sinful sun]

no, geography is irrelevant

why would i have to know about some country when they definitely dont know about mine

[fluid plank]

but i want to know where Alpha Centuari is

oooof

[real forum]

Why learn about it when you can literally just google it

[sinful sun]

bet you alpha centaurians dont know where earth is

[fluid plank]

what is google? also why is liquid choking again

[real forum]

1. google it lol
2. it's TL, what do you expect

[fluid plank]

probably the north star

probably

[sinful sun]

Americans should learn geography if they wanna play world cop so bad

[odd sphinx]

true

true

[odd sphinx]

also true

[sinful sun]

You should know by now that everything i say is the unfiltered raw truth

[fluid plank]

hmmm hi mom

unless

youre my dad

[sinful sun]

I can be both if need be

[fluid plank]

thats good

im a chimera

[carmine herald]

an advantage of not having a dad is that you can trigger conservatives over that

apparently believing in human rights and shit is a sign of lacking a dad, lol

[sinful sun]

What if i dont have a mom instead

Am i triggering libs now?

[tribal tinsel]

Will you become my dad?

[sinful sun]

i'll adopt every one here whether they want it or not

[real forum]

Boomers and radical conservatives are so fucking dumb

[carmine herald]

im based tho

[real forum]

You're old but not boomer old

Just like, gen X old

[carmine herald]

not really

[real forum]

K

[carmine herald]

i barely got to enjoy mj before paparazzi killed him

but hey i got to see nikocado kill himself slowly...
ok take me out of this timeline

[real forum]

Yeah...

[jade bolt]

which letter to choose after running out characters for gen θ

ιτ τοοκ α λονγ τιμε φινδινγ τηισ ινοθτ μετηοδ ον γβοαρδ

:πενσιωε:

[carmine herald]

@real forum how many years do u even have left before ur out of touch and old too anyway

[real forum]

I will never be old

[carmine herald]

4?

[real forum]

I will always be hip

[carmine herald]

ok old lady

need help crossing the street?

[jade bolt]

i always help them to cross the street during red light

[tribal tinsel]

Ok. You have two grandkids by the similar 'adoption' system :3

[carmine herald]

did u 'adopt' random discord keds?

[tribal tinsel]

No, one is irl friend which love of my life 'adopted', and the other is our common online friend whom I've been helping a lot and who was worried about it and I said 'at this point, you're already my kid'

[carmine herald]

mmm keds

[tribal tinsel]

They both are just slightly younger than me XD

[pliant trench]

Hmmmmm

[hollow heart]

@wheat aurora so this is what i was using to merge pdfs https://github.com/mstamy2/PyPDF2

idk if i'll be able to find the specific issue i got though

what were you using?

[wheat aurora]

I was using that as well

[hollow heart]

oo. and what was the error again?

[wheat aurora]

So I got two, one was a "-5: Unfinished Bytestream" or whatever, essentially the pdf was too big for the buffer. The other was the EOF marker missing

[hidden kernel]

i wrote a script with this several years ago and I think I got the bytestream error, but I don't remember how i fixed it

happy to help, any time

[wheat aurora]

I think I have to like manually decompress it and then extract it or something? I did not care enough last night to troubleshoot it

[hollow heart]

bc it was a final step for me i ended up continuing using pdftk to merge (not python)

[wheat aurora]

Context: my script takes many resumes (pdf and docx) and combines it into 1 big pdf for a sponsor. The combined pdf ended up being 547 pages without the handful of resumes missing, so I called it good enough. (Sponsors still get them all individually as well)

[tribal tinsel]

I think I used it at uni, or something similar

[hollow heart]

i'm trying to resurrect this script to see what my issue was lol

[hollow heart]

ok idk if this is the exact error i got last time, but i'm getting RecursionError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while calling a Python object when attempting to merge 1500 2 page pdf files

i guess i can change the recursion limit? but i don't think this is the error i got last time actually

https://github.com/mstamy2/PyPDF2/issues/140

[jovial island]

yo peoples social credits gone down

[sinful sun]

<@&831776746206265384>

go spam elsewhere

[keen burrow]

what the heck

!mute 801053892832919562 investigating

[clever salmon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @jovial island until <t:1635790426:f> (59 minutes and 59 seconds).

[upbeat sandal]

muting everyone smh

[keen burrow]

!mute 253696366952316929 No pope allowed here

[clever salmon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @upbeat sandal until <t:1635790466:f> (59 minutes and 58 seconds).

[sinful sun]

preach steler

[upbeat sandal]

You can't mute the Pope

[keen burrow]

!tban 801053892832919562 14d Seems like you have just been sending spam here so far. If you want to join again, make sure to read our rules this time.

[clever salmon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @hearty ferry until <t:1636996506:f> (13 days and 23 hours).

[keen burrow]

watch me

[upbeat sandal]

they were about to tell me a secret!

[keen burrow]

I can tell you mine instead

[upbeat sandal]

!unmute 253696366952316929

[clever salmon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction mute for @upbeat sandal.

[upbeat sandal]

Now I'll never get to know the secret

[keen burrow]

too bad

if the secret is how I can not get destroyed at my week five (?) exam they can get unbanned

[real forum]

I always miss the fun fun rule stuff, such as when people get muted/banned

[odd sphinx]

• winney the pooh points

[night needle]

@tall sparrow over here

[tall sparrow]

Didn't want to overexplain the situation in case it wasn't particularly relevant

[night needle]

What game is it by the way, if I may ask?

[calm bolt]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/97120/Kohan_Ahrimans_Gift/

Steam

Kohan: Ahriman's Gift

Kohan: Ahriman’s Gift, awarded “Strategy Game of the Year” by Computer Gaming World, is a real-time strategy game set in the fantasy world of Khaldun. Built on the award-winning Kohan:Immortal Sovereigns gameplay, Ahriman’s Gift is the stand-alone prequel to Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns. Experience the world of Khaldun from a whole new perspective...

Price

$9.99

Recommendations

103

Metacritic

79

[tall sparrow]

It's Kohan: Ahriman's Gift. Context wise, the company that made the game (TimeGate) is dead, the online services for it (GameSpy) is also dead, and the modding tool that was released for the game is very buggy and restrictive. The mods we still use today were made a long time ago by people with python experience, using a script.

[calm bolt]

that game

[tall sparrow]

And unfortunately a lot of those guys are no longer reachable anymore, a lot of them have moved on. So I have to make something from scratch.

[night needle]

Ah .... and the creators have yet to update it for something else?

[tall sparrow]

You mean the game creators, or the script creators?

[night needle]

If I may ask ....

[tall sparrow]

Sure, go ahead.

[night needle]

What type of genre is it?
RTS? Real time RPG? Turn-based RPG? etc.

[tall sparrow]

It's a fantasy RTS game.

[night needle]

... heard of OpenRA ?

[tall sparrow]

Bit like Battle For Middle Earth or Dawn of War, if you've ever seen those ones. And yes, I'm a huge fan of OpenRA.

[night needle]

https://www.openra.net/

[tall sparrow]

Yep. Got it installed.

Even their Tiberian Sun beta.

[night needle]

I got C&C: RA2 / YR in CD form, but sadly I don't have a drive to install them with

Stupid "use online / USB to get everything" ideas

[tall sparrow]

Yep, an external DVD drive is also really useful for that sort of thing.

[night needle]

I got to purchase one in-person ....

rules that I cannot just do on my own

[tall sparrow]

The game or an external DVD drive?

[night needle]

The latter (external DVD drive)

I only got a CD player ... and it is part of my alarm clock

But there's bad news with that ... I cannot get the batteries out of it

[tall sparrow]

Sorry, didn't answer your question before about libraries. Bit of a coding pleb here, but I basically need the script to read a directory filled with ini files, and compile it all into a single .tgx file. So I'm using os and sys for now, os for reading directories and sys for being able to point the script at different directories, I guess?

[night needle]

.ini is normally a plain text file, like how .json is, but is just formatted differently than JSON.

[calm bolt]

damn their site 404's

[tall sparrow]

Never thought I'd see the day where alarm clocks were the only thing with cd players in them lol. I had a tiny netbook once that I used for uni, didn't have a cd drive in it so we had an external USB one for it. Been using that one for a looooooooong time.

Yeah timegate abandoned kohan a long time before they went bankrupt

[calm bolt]

odd that the game itself is still sold

[tall sparrow]

It's a very special RTS game, though.

[calm bolt]

it looks cool

[tall sparrow]

My understanding is that the CEO bought the rights to kohan at his own bankruptcy auction

So the steam pages aren't managed, the game doesn't even work right away if you just download it and play. It's been a pretty big struggle to rebuild the community for it, but we've been doing well.

Still, the lost art of proper mod making is something we need to get back

[night needle]

Allowed either CD+RW or CD-RW ... forgot which.

But it does allow me to play my old "Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings" in-game background music on loop ... (only audio track on it ... starts on track 2 (data is on track 1, and that data is not meant for human ears)

[tall sparrow]

Yeah they are plain text files, but the .tgx itself is something I've been trying to figure out. It's basically a Data/ directory, and the last guy with a python script figured out how to put art and audio files in there as well, not just text data about the units. The game is very finicky and if it detects any issues with the tgx file, it will just refuse to start.

[tall sparrow]

Aha, you've got great taste in OSTs lol

[night needle]

tried searching: modding tgx and the game name?

[night needle]

it's literally on the game's CD!

[tall sparrow]

Did try that.

[calm bolt]

@tall sparrow It is probably because messing with the file alters the header or something

[tall sparrow]

Unfortunately, 2001 game. Lots of sites have shut down since then

[calm bolt]

@tall sparrow did u come across this ? https://stronghold.fandom.com/wiki/TGX_file_format

[tall sparrow]

I did, yes

They aren't the same thing, unfortunately

[calm bolt]

ooh

[tall sparrow]

I think tgx for kohan stands for timegate x - Or something like that.

[calm bolt]

how big is the average file?

I guess they vary a lot?

[tall sparrow]

So I have a script for extracting a tgx file

Which works

[calm bolt]

ah cool

[tall sparrow]

So in that screenshot there. apaladinshield.tgx is a quick mod I made with the tool K-Mod, that has one unit changed. Patch 1.3.10 is one of the more robust patches I was talking about, but it has only unit data in it, no added custom content like audio or art

So the average size of the patches was about 450 kb, for one that changes a lot of values

The PatchMP-0.2.0.2.tgx was explicitly made with a python script, and has a whole lot of extra stuff in it, so it's a self contained thing. It's much much larger, and it seems there isn't really a limit on how large they can be.

[calm bolt]

at such a small file size it must be referencing more data though

wish i had the game, I'd open the file in a hex editor to see if I can glean some info there. or perhaps open the game in hex editor while running

[tall sparrow]

Just need a moment to make a basic script that can show you what the raw data in the tgx looks like

I had it earlier but changed a lot of things

[tall sparrow]

@calm bolt It's basically this, but in the tgx format, there's a lot of extra data that I'm not sure if it requires to work or not

[calm bolt]

so the output is a bunch of hex values?

[tall sparrow]

I'm reading the tgx in binary mode in the top pic, and the bottom pic is what the data looks like when extracted

I don't have a script that writes tgx files yet

But yeah the tgx itself is a bunch of hex values thrown in with plain text

[tribal tinsel]

everything in the computer is "a bunch of hex values"
all data is binary, all binary can be grouped into groups of 4 and therefore represented as hex

[calm bolt]

ooh

I would assume the ini's are plain text

[tall sparrow]

They are, yeah.

Very easy to edit in that form. Problem is, I'm not sure if I try to put them back into the tgx format whether or not I'm going to have missing data

And if I'm missing data, it probably won't work.

[calm bolt]

man, that is over my head. Sounds cool.

[tall sparrow]

Threewood is the guy who used to create mod files for the game, he was diagnosed with cancer and unfortunately it's not possible to contact him anymore, but he used a python script to do it

[calm bolt]

Maybe it is checking if the ini file size has changed

[tribal tinsel]

maybe check if the sources are somewhere? github maybe?

[tall sparrow]

It would be amazing if they were uploaded to a git somewhere, but if it was, it was never made public. Really, really wish I could've seen that original script

But nobody bothered to get it from threewood, so we're back at square one

We're playing the game with community patches that were made 10+ years ago, because we don't know how to make our own

[calm bolt]

That sux, pretty much the whole situation from dude getting cancer to source code disappearing

[tall sparrow]

Yeah, really really sad. Feels like we went into a bit of a dark age from then on. I hope the guy is doing alright, but there's been no word from him at all.

[round moss]

how do you extract the file?

[tribal tinsel]

if you have some ini and tgx file sets, I can analyse them for you. from what you posted above, it just seems a lot of that tgx file is just padding made of \x00 bytes

[clever salmon]

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[calm bolt]

pastebin probs

[tall sparrow]

Ah, seems the perl script is a bit too long

Yeah, pastebin

[tall sparrow]

I'd be extremely grateful for any help, I'm here on behalf of the community just trying to make some progress with it. Not a skilled programmer by any means myself, so trying to teach myself as I go. I did look at it in the hex editor and saw that it wasn't all \x00, there are a few bytes with values in them.

open (MOD,$modfile) or die "Unable to open mod file ".$modfile;
read *MOD,$mod,10000000;

@data=split /\x00+/,$mod;

$firstFileIndex=0;
@fileNames=();

for ($i=0;$i<@data;$i++) {
    if ($data[$i] =~ /data\\[\w\\]+/i) {
        push @fileNames,$data[$i];
    } elsif ( ! $firstFileIndex && length($data[$i])>100){
    $firstFileIndex = $i;
    }
}

if ($createDirStructure) {
    for ($i=0;$i<@fileNames;$i++) {
        &CreateDir($fileNames[$i]);
        open (INI,">$fileNames[$i]");
        print INI $data[$firstFileIndex+$i];
        close INI;
     }
}

sub CreateDir {
    my($fileName)=$_[0];
    my(@elements)=split /\\/,$fileName;
    my($i)=0;
    my($dirName)="";
    for(;$i<@elements-1;$i++) {
        $dirName= $dirName . $elements[$i] . "/";
        if ( ! -e $dirName ) {
            mkdir $dirName;
        }
    }

}