ot2-the-original-pubsta

[steel eagle]

Okay okay but like

[graceful ocean]

I feel we need a topic lol

[steel eagle]

The knobs in my Jetta are really nice but they have a FATAL FLAW

[odd sphinx]

car knobs are very nice

[hazy laurel]

I love car knobs

[graceful ocean]

Sounds like a Youtube video name

[odd sphinx]

lol

[steel eagle]

the power button/volume knob has the power icon on it... And the ICON ROTATES WITH IT...

This wouldn't be an issue BUT

THERE ARE VOLUME BUTTONS ON THE STEERING WHEEL
SO WHEN YOU CHANGE THE VOLUME THE KNOB IS IN THE INCORRECT ORIENTATION

[graceful ocean]

Bruh

That's...

[odd sphinx]

lol

[steel eagle]

it drives me insane to not have the dash on the power icon facing straight up.
It's a serious crime to touch the volume knob in my car. You can ask me to turn it up or down but touch the knob and you get hurt

Y'know I was gonna type something more, but nevermind lol

[graceful ocean]

Probably a bad idea lol

[hazy laurel]

I'm just now realizing that I might have some form of weird OCD with tons of things

[graceful ocean]

Welcome to the club

[hazy laurel]

like... thinking about it, I realize I'm finicky with so many random things

[steel eagle]

I definitely have some sort of ocd or ocpd

I will go out of my way to do all the prep at work in a very specific order

[graceful ocean]

My favorite number is 2916

[hazy laurel]

I feel like for me it's OCD without the O

[steel eagle]

And if I'm asked to do something out of order because we're out or something, it throws me off for the whole day

[hazy laurel]

don't get me started with my powers of 2

[graceful ocean]

Someone gets it

[dusky cliff]

4097

[hazy laurel]

OUCH

[steel eagle]

My favorite number is 8192

Either that or 8675309

[graceful ocean]

Why starting with 8?

[odd sphinx]

no one likes negative numbers?

[steel eagle]

I dunno, it's just nice

[hazy laurel]

8192 is like 8 GB RAM, no?

[steel eagle]

Mhm

[graceful ocean]

Fuck negative numbers

[steel eagle]

I mean if you insist

[hazy laurel]

well

[odd sphinx]

that would be hard to do

[hazy laurel]

8 Gibibytes, technically

[steel eagle]

Nice edit zee

I was about to comment

[hazy laurel]

damn it. I didn't pay attention

I always miss everything

[steel eagle]

He added the to do

[hazy laurel]

oh.

that doesn't fix it

[dusky cliff]

adding the to do was on his to do list rofl

[graceful ocean]

lol

[hazy laurel]

._.

[steel eagle]

Oofer nanners

[odd sphinx]

aha

[odd sphinx]

nice one bro!!

[dusky cliff]

thanks bro!!

[graceful ocean]

I appreciate shit humor

[hazy laurel]

I always think of banana wafers when people say that

[steel eagle]

I felt that pun in my 0o644

[dusky cliff]

you must love my username

[hazy laurel]

ugh what is 644 octal

[graceful ocean]

Pfft

[steel eagle]

420

[graceful ocean]

No

[hazy laurel]

420 haha

[graceful ocean]

Better number is 621

[hazy laurel]

oh damn it. as soon as I figured that out, you already said it

I'm so slooowwww

[steel eagle]

I don't actually use 621

[odd sphinx]

speed up

[steel eagle]

Unless I'm looking for something very specific

[graceful ocean]

Interesting.

[hazy laurel]

wha

[dusky cliff]

wha

[graceful ocean]

You two wouldn't get it

[steel eagle]

If you know you know, otherwise don't look into it lol

[hazy laurel]

oh yes. MSG

[graceful ocean]

That's a joke too

[steel eagle]

Monosodium glutamate?

[graceful ocean]

Monosodium Glutamate.

E621 chemical

[steel eagle]

Oh yeah I remember that now

[dusky cliff]

[graceful ocean]

^Confused

[steel eagle]

Man I can finally breathe normally again

[graceful ocean]

Yay!

Breathing is nice

[steel eagle]

Hate that lingering stiffness after a night terror

[hazy laurel]

I'm so confused

surely the joke is not about MSG

[graceful ocean]

It's not

But don't look into it

[hazy laurel]

oh wait

that's funny

[graceful ocean]

Welcome to the conversation lol

[dusky cliff]

enlighten me

[graceful ocean]

You don't wanna know

[dusky cliff]

no

[odd sphinx]

no

[graceful ocean]

no

[steel eagle]

No

[hazy laurel]

haha funny testing

[odd sphinx]

seen 4000 times

[unreal sigil]

@simple snow No thanks

[odd sphinx]

lol

[dusky cliff]

lo

[simple snow]

lo

[graceful ocean]

Here come the mods

[odd sphinx]

lo

[graceful ocean]

Here come the mods

[hazy laurel]

quick, stop talking about MSG

[graceful ocean]

Think of the "Here comes the bride" tune

[hazy laurel]

the what

[graceful ocean]

Then you will see why I said it twice

Silence ensues
Come on, guys (and gals). I was having fun talking!

[steel eagle]

Bark

[graceful ocean]

Murrawr

[steel eagle]

Ye

[graceful ocean]

I just wanna say this:
I hate Wisconsin

I wanna move to the UK

[steel eagle]

UK laws make me sad

[graceful ocean]

How so?

[steel eagle]

I don't think I could reasonably live anywhere else in the world to be honest

Maybe Geneva

I'd rather got get into it, it'll get way too political if I start that Convo

[graceful ocean]

The US is just falling apart, in my opinion.

But yeah. Let's not go there.

[steel eagle]

Whole world is

[graceful ocean]

I'll drink to that one if I could legally drink.

[steel eagle]

I got way too drunk on the 4th of July

Haven't drank since

Spent the whole day sick as a mother fucker the 5th

[graceful ocean]

I had a single shot of vodka once.
Found out I'm reeeeeaaaaaaallllllyyyyyy lightweight.

[steel eagle]

Actually I'm wrong I had one drink when we had some people over a couple of weeks ago

[graceful ocean]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel eagle]

I've just realized that my workstation is louder running than our 2U rack mount

[graceful ocean]

That a good or bad thing?

[steel eagle]

Probably bad lol

But under load it has like 600w of heat to dissipate so

The server is only like a couple hundred

[graceful ocean]

Listen. If we were a company, you'd probably be the person doing the physical computer stuff, and I'd be a fucking secretary. I don't know shit about how computers work physically, I just know some basic code.

[steel eagle]

RTX 3070 Ti, Ryzen 7 5800x, 32gb RAM, a metric handful of drives

LOL

[graceful ocean]

No idea what that means lol

[hazy laurel]

good stuff

[graceful ocean]

I know RTX is good and the more RAM the better

[steel eagle]

Imho you should have a decent handle on what hardware is if you're a programmer

[graceful ocean]

*amateur programmer

[steel eagle]

Everything is overclocked too

[hazy laurel]

I don't much understand CPU specs, honestly

[steel eagle]

So more power draw

4.6ghz all core on the 5800x

Which is funny because it's actually a 0.2v UNDERVOLT

[graceful ocean]

Wat about the omnipresent "Intel Inside"?

[steel eagle]

Stomks

[hazy laurel]

I've got an RTX 2060 Mobile and Ryzen 4600H with 16 GB RAM

[steel eagle]

Intel is losing the CPU game pretty hard right now

[hazy laurel]

the SSD is quite tiny, though... only 512 GB

[echo flower]

they're entering the gpu market now

hope they do well there

[steel eagle]

My 400 dollar Ryzen has so far beat every single Intel CPU guy the generation it was released and the generation after

[graceful ocean]

.-.

That's worth more than I am

[steel eagle]

They're not going to be competitive for gaming ever

[hazy laurel]

ikr

just kidding

[echo flower]

that's what everybody said about amd once...
you never know

[steel eagle]

Hell their first card can't even run a handful of games, like literally they will not even launch

It's like gt1030 performance, sightly worse, in the games it does launch

[echo flower]

it's their first gpu cut them some slack

[steel eagle]

Intel has even stated they won't be going after the gaming market

Their market is office and business

[hazy laurel]

tbh I can't exactly afford to care about specs too much

[steel eagle]

And probably ML later

[graceful ocean]

And this is my cue to tune out, cause this shit's waaaaaaaaay outta my league.

[hazy laurel]

The laptop I've got is probably one I'll have for years

[steel eagle]

Lol

I'm going back to bed anyway

I have to have good enough hardware to run new games at 1440p165hz

Max settings

The 3070 ti is actually just a temporary card for me

I'll be getting a 4080 ti likely

[graceful ocean]

I need to bother my bf anyways.
And Goodnight to you. Don't have night terrors.
Catch y'all later

[steel eagle]

Its just impossible to get a card right now and I had the chance for it

[hazy laurel]

not to flex or anything

[steel eagle]

And I was waiting but my 1070 started to die

[graceful ocean]

Oh noes.

My Master is offline. ;-;

[hazy laurel]

oh boy

what ever shall you do

[prisma anvil]

Hi

[median blade]

12th gen 👀

[median blade]

their top alchemist will go head on with the 3070

and the lowest end will be near a 1650 super or soo but apparently with ray tracing support

[median blade]

they are...

[severe trout]

isn't that the one with similar design to mobiles?

[median blade]

yes, big little design

[hazy laurel]

I read design as "endian" and I don't know why

[lunar vine]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favorite media genre?**

Suggest more topics here!

[lunar vine]

Random👀

[hazy laurel]

What exactly is a media genre

[exotic hound]

do you think flutter app is so bloated

i build a simple counter app, it takes about 10 seconds to start, takes more than 20mb ram, and a bit laggy

[hazy laurel]

20 Mb is like nothing, though

[exotic hound]

i modified it a bit, it becomes a random face app, which calls to an API every time a button is pressed, i run it, it eats 100mb ram

i'm not sure i'll make a complex app using flutter

[odd sphinx]

did u build it in release mode

[exotic hound]

yes

[odd sphinx]

linux?

[exotic hound]

i use release build

[odd sphinx]

hm

ive made a flutter app

and its pretty smooth on my computer

do u have the latest flutter

[exotic hound]

i have 2.5.0 i just downloaded it yesterday

[odd sphinx]

well

desktop flutter is still in beta

but it should still be fast

maybe ur code slows it own

if ur fetching from a network are u using async to its full power?

[hazy laurel]

This looks almost exactly like an application I've used but I can't put my finger on it

it looks like of like the system monitor on KDE but... GNOME

[exotic hound]

I use http to call the API, save the result to FutureBuilder and display it with Image.memory() when the request complete

[odd sphinx]

hm

ive built a flutter app on linux too

and it ran pretty smoothly

this is weird

are u in the flutter server

u will probably get bettr help there

https://discord.gg/jmyUTHsF

[exotic hound]

thanks

[shadow elk]

https://discord.gg/flutter

nah, it's not valid

[odd sphinx]

yea

hm

[sterile nymph]

hello people and bots

[jovial island]

Hello, am a bot

[hollow heart]

@hidden kernel what he says around 47m in, don't you find it really hard to throw away code 😔

even if it doesn't work or isn't the correct way to go about solving your problem

[hidden kernel]

I don't anymore, but I remember the feeling of "it almost works I just need one change" and being super wrong about that

[mental idol]

Sometimes you just need to nuke the code https://github.com/Preocts/eqcharinfo/commit/897f7b742d70bc4d3dfc9da5e6784d550bc7d5c0

[hollow heart]

omg me!

just 1 line!

then I'm sure it'll work

[hidden kernel]

what's funny is that there's a minority of noobies who will just wipe their whole file if they get like two errors in a row

[hollow heart]

nothing is wrong with my original thought process non

[hidden kernel]

should start telling people to just start a new file

[hollow heart]

original.py

[hidden kernel]

lol wth

[mental idol]

I did some "work" today and eliminated an entire requirement of my project

[hidden kernel]

you gotta disperse those in your other commits to make it look like you know what you're doing and not writing pages of useless code smh

[mental idol]

347a1ac (HEAD -> main, origin/main) Enforce Python3.9 in pre-commit
b9f8249 Test for missing character
3cb9c4a Create test to load fixture
897f7b7 Destroy unused files
1f65aab Refactor characterclient into a controller
08865ec Implement len() dunder
1cddb62 Refactor LucyItemClient into controller
a05fd46 Impliment len() dunder
70c6dc0 Refactor character inventory loading to provider
1832bc4 Deleted code
2c9fbc4 Refactor fileutil
879746c Refactor Lucy item downloader/manager into provider
f37e411 Refactor file loading of Lucy items into a provider

From the bottom up you can tell the moment I realized I'd just refactored the entire database out of existence.

narrator voice And it was at that moment they realized; "Oh".

[hidden kernel]

lol

[mental idol]

But hey, the code is a lot cleaner now

[hidden kernel]

git branches as epistolary storytelling

[steel eagle]

Bro why do cars have to do this now

[round moss]

I am in awe that outlook is somehow not a correct IMAP/SMTP client

it just doesn't work

[round moss]

gradually forcing the support person to acnowledge that this is an outlook issue and not me failing to configure things

[round moss]

the funniest part is that port of the debugging process was adding it to some random mail app and that took me literally 5s

oh, there was a secret setting that needed switching to make it work

that's fun

[tribal tinsel]

I had similar weirdness with one vpn. Why even have a Linux client if the connection fails, while it works with exactly the same config on Windows?

I still haven't made it work. I just... Use my Windows VM for it

Previous vpn this client had didn't have Linux client anyway, so I'm used to using Windows for their vpn anyway

[round moss]

I want to tell the support person it worked, but IDK how to open support without the error msg

well, IG they will just live forever not knowing

[tall temple]

lmao, maybe they'll try to improve

[sterile nymph]

vpn is getting closer

[echo flower]

wat

[wide totem]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

please no, i have spent all day on "one change'

[sharp spoke]

wat kinda car do u have damn

[median blade]

VW Jetta

[steel eagle]

2020 VW Jetta... Lol

[sharp spoke]

ah damn pretty nice.. didnt knew cars had that feature lol
atleast cars down here dont i think

[sterile nymph]

it's 2.0 turbo?

[steel eagle]

No that's the GLI

Or actually I think the GLI is a 1.8 on the mk7s

I have an S, 1.4T. 148hp/184lb-ft tq

6 speed manual

Quite peppy for what it is, I love the car

Best new car you can get under $20k imho

I drove basically every new car available in manual before I bought it

Buying an automatic wasn't an option for me

[keen burrow]

@somber belfry when are you going to conquer GoLang?

[wide totem]

@mental idol hey, we had a discussion on .env files a while ago, so I figure I'd ask you.
Do you use ' or " for string literals in env files?

[steel eagle]

Single quote string literals feel like a crime

[sharp spoke]

it quite frankly is 💀

single quotes is meant to be used only for nested strings

[sterile nymph]

are you a cowgirl?

[somber belfry]

Soon \🌝

[median blade]

why is that emoji so weird

\🌝

ah

[elfin vine]

Help I think I accidentally selected all my mail and marked it as important

[hazy laurel]

oh no.

how have you managed

[keen burrow]

Uh oh

Imagine using important tags

[lunar vine]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favourite food?**

Suggest more topics here!

[echo flower]

look at this little terminal

for scale

[jade bolt]

when are you going to conquer joelang?

[rain nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836543301825724438/889426657394438194/20210920_102342.mp4

[sharp spoke]

we need a git revert in mail 👀

[echo flower]

wtf is going on with that video

[pliant trench]

lol

rip

[mental idol]

double quotes. translates better. But in an .env I don't require quotes for my loader. Everything is assumed a string after the first = to the end of the line.

[sterile nymph]

monday day to work a lot

[haughty gale]

Please leak gorilla tag mod

[tribal tinsel]

🦍 <- here

[compact dagger]

@reef kayak What kind of issues did you bump into?

[reef kayak]

Things like scroll speed being annoyingly slow, audio issues, and so on

Just niggling things that were annoying me

TBH I could probably deal with most of them but the scroll speed issue kills me

No way to change scroll wheel speed in regular settings

[compact dagger]

Scroll speed one is pretty painful at times. But there are a lot of tools to help fix that.

[reef kayak]

True. I tried imwheel but it didn't feel right

[compact dagger]

imwheel?

[reef kayak]

yeah, command line tool for it

I could crudely increase the scroll wheel speed but it felt off somehow

[compact dagger]

Usually you can force it with things like libinput Accel Speed

[reef kayak]

like it was accelerating far more that it should

Well, I found out that the option will appear in regular settings if I use KDE and Wayland together

[compact dagger]

And if its only one or two applications, like Firefox. There is actually spessific settings in the browser for it.

[reef kayak]

True but I would really want a global fix for it

[compact dagger]

Annoyingly, Firefox does not want to follow the standard mouse scroll and implements its own

[reef kayak]

I did consider fixing it only for Chrome

and then it was a pain using Discord XD

[compact dagger]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mouse_acceleration Is a huge page for how to use xinput for it. I personally dont use wayland and dont know how to change it in that world

[reef kayak]

is that actually scroll wheel speed though?

looks more like mouse speed

[compact dagger]

Wow thats actually not included in there

Woah.

[reef kayak]

yeah

In Windows, this is a regular system setting

[compact dagger]

It should be in linux as well. But nobody has dared to touch it. Xorg is a real mess.

[reef kayak]

It kinda killed me to find that on Linux, an OS famed for its customisability, it was a pain to just change scroll wheel speed

[compact dagger]

Wayland might help it see it come trough.

[reef kayak]

Yes - Wayland + KDE apparently has it. Kubuntu has that in unsupported mode

[compact dagger]

What mouse is it by the way

The mouse driver itself might have the config setting you are looking for

[reef kayak]

eh, bog standard Logitech

G305

[compact dagger]

Tahts the exact one i have xD

[reef kayak]

Ahaha

Good mouse but my last one developed horrible double-clicking issue

[compact dagger]

I have gotten used to PGUP and PGDN keys for fast scroll.

[reef kayak]

so I am on a warranty replacement

[compact dagger]

Mine currently has a horrible double-clicking issue

[reef kayak]

LOL

is it under warranty

[compact dagger]

Why is this so common logitech

[compact dagger]

Yes but no.

[reef kayak]

lol

rip

[compact dagger]

Not warranty i can use because i moved lol

[reef kayak]

ahhh

that's a shame

Tbh I got mine replaced through Logitech themselves

so might be worth a try

[compact dagger]

I have 2 4TB drives that are dead in warranty. But they wont take it because i dont live in the same country anymore.

Tldr: Never fucking buy Toshiba.

[reef kayak]

ha, that's a shame

buy from Amazon instead

[compact dagger]

I thought i was being smart. I didnt listen to smart people.

[reef kayak]

I once ordered an SSD

[compact dagger]

And now i have 2 of my drives dead

[reef kayak]

I got 10 in the post

[compact dagger]

in a 6 month window each

[reef kayak]

Oof horrible

[compact dagger]

fursiously silent

[reef kayak]

XD

I was a good Samaritan though

[compact dagger]

ono

[reef kayak]

sent 9 back

coworkers couldn't believe me

[compact dagger]

But why.

[reef kayak]

Good Samaritan XD

[compact dagger]

Not really. Companies are pretty effing evil.

Them doing a slip up in my favor is a nice day in my book.

[reef kayak]

true but two wrongs and all that stuff

[compact dagger]

You didnt do a wrong. They messed up their ordering system.

Usually they dont even want them back because it costs too much money to check them. So its better to take the hit than to even try to sell them again.

[reef kayak]

This time they definitely wanted it back lol

Though the Amazon rep apologised for the "inconvenience" whilst trying not to laugh

[compact dagger]

Did you get anything for helping out a billion dollar company?

[reef kayak]

Err

£10 XD

[compact dagger]

Yeah. Learned a lesson there

When 10 SSDs come to your door. Stay silent.

Theres rights for them not to be able to demand them back either.

They shipped it to you. So its yours.

Even if its not the "ordered" products.

[reef kayak]

People I talked to seemed disappointed I only got £10 back, but i didn't really do it to get a reward anyway

[compact dagger]

Companies are bad. They wont respect you or do any "good samatarin" back.

Everything they do is money and legal

So treat them the same level basically :P

[reef kayak]

Definitely could have made a nice profit by flipping them XD but eh, it's fine

[steel eagle]

Especially Amazon

You've essentially just helped out a corporation that runs LABOR CAMPS

[compact dagger]

Im just thinking about making a server with those sweet 10 SSDs

[steel eagle]

So, if anything, you've hurt a lot of people by helping them

[reef kayak]

True, but if I really cared about that, I wouldn't buy from them in the first place

Every purchase is a profit for them

[steel eagle]

Yeah you should never buy from Amazon

[reef kayak]

if it makes you feel any better, they were just regular SATA. I'll probably go NVME for my next SSD anyway

[steel eagle]

Ever

[compact dagger]

Nah i dont care about the speed. I just want that sweet "aw another harddrive crashed into itself"

And most SSD deaths just make the drives read only

[reef kayak]

lol fair enough. Yup, my SSD has been pretty solid

[compact dagger]

And not a "aw crap i dont have data anymore"

In other news. I am REALLY good at doing backups now.

[reef kayak]

ah yes

[compact dagger]

Having 2 drive failures have learned me to encapsulate my data. And not make it be relied upon for my computer.

I can literally unmount my drives right now and nothing will happen

[reef kayak]

For the moment I'm just using cloud storage

I do wonder - should I do a local backup? What's the advantage over just have a regular cloud backup

I have two copies of the data, including an offsite backup which is key if my home burns down. And I have ransomware protection through the cloud provider

[compact dagger]

Or well, i get a really angry home folder lol

But my pc still runs fine

I should write a blog post about how its set up

[compact dagger]

For what?

[reef kayak]

for my data

[compact dagger]

That is vauge, and also what would the local backup do?

[reef kayak]

Like, just document data. Let's say - data for uni studies.

and yeah, no idea why I need a local backup, but I read people say you need your data in three places, including a local backup

[compact dagger]

Like i use git for most my important repos for "backup" in the code sense. I can revert to any time if i lost anything.

I also have local borg backups to get versioned backups of the minecraft server im running. To stop greifing and corruption taking over.

And restic to get versioned push backups nightly.

[turbid lagoon]

I wanted to ask something

[compact dagger]

The most important thing is to know your backup system.

Flick out a laptop and try to recover without the pc.

[turbid lagoon]

Should I give my ip address to someone?

[compact dagger]

Make a file. Back it up. Delete it. And try to recover it.

[reef kayak]

Right. Yeah, my backup recovery is just sign into OneDrive XD

but it does work

[turbid lagoon]

Like there's a guy asking for it

[reef kayak]

it did mess up my folder structure once, but otherwise been flawless

[compact dagger]

Depends on why

[turbid lagoon]

Its a friend of mine

[compact dagger]

IP addresses are like saying "im at the cafe x in my hometown". They can send 1000 people to harass you. But you can just move to a different seat in that cafe, and theyd be none the wiser until you say that you moved to that seat.

[turbid lagoon]

So its basically my address

Oh

[compact dagger]

How you move seats is usually restarting the router, or calling the ISP to ask them to do give you a new one.

[turbid lagoon]

Hmm

[compact dagger]

They get the general area you live in. Like city is usually the best they get for residential ips.

[turbid lagoon]

I think its one of his shenanigans

I wont give it

[compact dagger]

Best not to.

[turbid lagoon]

Alright thanks

[compact dagger]

Valid reasons to give out an ip is whitelisting by IP. But thats rare to do as IPs move around alot

[turbid lagoon]

Ohh

I see

[compact dagger]

And youd need to spessificly ask your ISP to give you a static one for that.

(Funnily enough some ask for extra payment for that)

[turbid lagoon]

Isnt that like a scam?

[compact dagger]

To ask for extra payment for something that does almost nothing? Pretty much.

But sometimes its just absolutely needed to have that.

[turbid lagoon]

Hmm

Alright mate thanks for the help

Have a nice day

[compact dagger]

What happens if a ransomware hits?

Does OneDrive have versioned writes. Or just a meme "We keep you safe" promise that can fall apart when a ransom does come around.

[reef kayak]

They have versioned history, and apparently it lasts for longer somehow if you are attacked by ransomware

I've not actually tested it though. Probably should do that

[compact dagger]

Yeah thats the kind of "uhhhh" feeling i dont enjoy about user facing backups.

[reef kayak]

When I was with Dropbox the equivalent functionality did work pretty well

In fact for more than one friend I helped get back file data using Dropbox history

But yes, will test for OneDrive

[compact dagger]

Im very annoyed that something like restic or borg style backups dont exist for user facing tools.

There are some. But not great integrated ones.

Okay so

I have triggers for backups to happen at 12am.

And i can watch my backup logs that my sleep schedule get trash this past week.

[reef kayak]

OK - just checked my OneDrive

It has version history for a month at least

so that's good

PyCharm autosaves my Python files and then OneDrive keeps a copy of that

only for a month, roughly speaking, but that's fine for ransomware attack

[compact dagger]

Move to linux. We dont really have ransomware attacks.

And then theres also a whole set of tools that can make that be pointless.

having copy on write partitions go brrr

[reef kayak]

When the scroll wheel thing is fixed, I'll reconsider XD

[compact dagger]

Authors note: Do not run a CoW system for backups. Its a sure way to nuke both your performance and corrupt your entire drive.

Authors note 2: Do not run btrfs. Its really bad for anything more than a basic filesystem.

Love the authors of btrfs. "WE HAVE THE MOST ADVANCED FILESYSTEM". but also "Please dont use any of our advanced features, it will corrupt your entire drive beyond recovery"

[languid osprey]

I expect this otn to be accurate

[mental idol]

[lofty loom]

https://rclone.org/ Speaking of backups

[wide totem]

@mental idol yo where are all of your roo emojis, I need an invite 🥺

(only if its a public server ofc)

[mental idol]

https://www.twitch.tv/admiralbahroo Public server in the description. rooSip is the static url.

[wide totem]

interesting

vanity invites are not case sensitive....

that means that this server also has Python pYthon, and every permutation...

[mental idol]

Shouldn't be. I'm just used to typing

[wide totem]

and I forgot how to calculate that permutation

[mental idol]

URIs in general, to my understanding, are case agnostic.

or should be

[wide totem]

well

discord invites have been case sensitive for a while

should have expected that lmao

but er, https://discord.gg/FUc3rgTG is valid, change the case of any of those letters, and nope

[mental idol]

I know they aren't natively agnostic. But, in my opinion, if you want case sensitivity in your URI or routes.... something's wrong.

[wide totem]

however, discord.gg/Python discord.gg/PYTHON discord.gg/pYthON

lmfao

[lofty loom]

funky link

[mental idol]

[wide totem]

different member counts

[mental idol]

notice I didn't just link the home of the emotional pandas?

[wide totem]

yes

half figured you would have dmed me tho

[lofty loom]

Discord forgot how to Math

[wide totem]

rather than making me open t-twitch

[mental idol]

You expect me to remember how to open up a DM to someone? Bold.

[dusky cliff]

idk

[wide totem]

i just attempted to open one 👀 ur dms are closed

[mental idol]

They aren't closed. Just friend requets because I'm angy egg and have no friends

[wide totem]

lol

[mental idol]

The majority of pings I get in DMs are python questions so I just close them.

[wide totem]

lmao

[lofty loom]

Pandegg

Panda colored egg that sends panda emojis

[dusky cliff]

fun fact panda3d uses a file format called .egg for 3d models

[mental idol]

okay... OKAY... CTRL + Tab works to move through the server list on the left.....

[lofty loom]

e g g

[mental idol]

my life is changed

[lofty loom]

🥚

[wide totem]

and ctrl shift tab to go up

[mental idol]

well, yeah

[lofty loom]

Do Ctrl + /

[wide totem]

and alt left / alt right to switch political sides go back and forth (this is fairly recent)

[mental idol]

egg

[wide totem]

ctrl alt right to switch from dms to server

alt up / down to go up and down with channels

[mental idol]

I can't hit ctrl alt right on this keyboard

Need to twist my left wrist too much

[wide totem]

uh

you don't have a ctrl alt on the right of the keyboard?

[mental idol]

I do, it's just an awkward combo

I guess it's not that bad. Just not used to it

and it makes my left hand do this tiny little twist that doesn't feel right

[wide totem]

wtf

[lofty loom]

Is that one of those ergonomic keyboards?

[mental idol]

Yup. https://kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage2/

I love it

[dusky cliff]

why is the spacebar so sma-
wait
why are ordinary spacebars so big??

[mental idol]

Gonna mod it out this winter.

[lofty loom]

If I could buy a keyboard for myself I'd just like my keys light and snappy, like how I'm used to a laptop

[mental idol]

So many options out there for that too @lofty loom

[mental idol]

I never knew how useful my thumbs could be while typing before I had this keyboard.

HOWEVER.... learning to use my right thumb for space..... that took weeks

[lofty loom]

You made me notice how I don't use my right thumb for typing on physical keyboards

Only my left thumb for space

[echo flower]

discord.gg/PYTHON

[wide totem]

@mental idol where in the world is the spacebar?

[dusky cliff]

i think i use my right thumb for the arrow keys sometimes

[echo flower]

discord.gg/pYtHoN

[dusky cliff]

extreme right

[mental idol]

right hand side, thumb

[echo flower]

lmfao

[wide totem]

that was hard to find

ugh

[mental idol]

Thumbs rest naturally on backspace (left) and space (right)

[wide totem]

tbh those feel backwards

[mental idol]

It's very common to remap them

Especially if you play games. Cause normally your left hand is on the keyboard and right on the mouse.

[lofty loom]

My right thumb doesn't rest on any key

It just rests on the bottom lip of my keyboard

[mental idol]

But my keyboard has a builtin mapping tool. I can remap any key with a few presses of the functions. It's neat. The only keys I remapped though is to switch escape and capslock

[mental idol]

That's how mine was on my standard keyboard.

Left hand did all the work. Right hand just twisted and contorted for hitting Home, End, Ctrl+Shift+Insert and all manner of unhealthy combos.

[lofty loom]

Left hand did all the work
Even typing?

[mental idol]

well, except for typing

[wide totem]

imagine having 2 hands

[lofty loom]

Yeah you have four hands

[lofty loom]

this is you

You're that alien from the cartoon

[mental idol]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ghost-shell-outghost-fsoCk5kgOcYMM

I, for one, can't wait to replace my meat arms

[lofty loom]

Fingers literally made out of fingers

If these kind of hands existed irl then I'd be pretty terrified

[wide totem]

cya @mental idol

[mental idol]

Night y'all

[jovial island]

can we use input statements in if-elif-else statement?

[mental idol]

sure the heck can

[lofty loom]

Something about this reminds me of spiders

And I have arachnophobia :D

[jovial island]

ohh k thanks

[echo flower]

joy face :D

[storm birch]

!otn a meat arms

[clever salmon]

:ok_hand: Added meat-arms to the names list.

[wide totem]

hmmmm

does someone want to take a stab at reviewing one of my projects?

[echo flower]

how many names are in the otn list so far

some 500?
1000?

[echo flower]

i can try
it'll be my first code review

[wide totem]

oop

are you familiar with discord.py?

[echo flower]

yes

very yes

[wide totem]

discord-modmail/modmail#69

[rustic harbor]

GitHub

Feat/plugin install

[echo flower]

I see

nice

[wide totem]

that might be a little big lol

there's not much on that repo which is small right now

[echo flower]

might want to hide the token

[wide totem]

where?

[echo flower]

https://github.com/discord-modmail/modmail/pull/75/files#diff-d0985dba4df2a38e71e9fe9bc242a358392122f0ed2356ea64cd33bf8bd2cd01R166

[wide totem]

entirely a fake token

[echo flower]

I see

[wide totem]

NjQzOTQ1MjY0ODY4MDk4MDQ5.342b.4inDLBILY69LOLfyi6jk420dpyjoEVsCoModM

first part is referring to the official discord system account

and well

4inDLBILY69LOLfyi6jk420dpyjoEVsCoModM memes galore

[echo flower]

mostly a cosmetic (and very minor) thing but
would it be nice to change the first sentenc ein plugins.md

it feels weird to read

[wide totem]

@echo flower

Modmail, in its most basic form, is simple: relay messages to and from users to staff members.

[echo flower]

sorry i did not complete my sentence

it feels weird to read because it is in 2 files

which are linked to each other btw

[wide totem]

spins up local documentation server

oh yeah

[wide totem]

docs for this pr: https://discord-modmail.readthedocs.io/en/feat-plugin-install/

[echo flower]

rest of the docs are nice

[wide totem]

hmm

[echo flower]

after reading your plugin system i might implement a similar thing in my parser

[wide totem]

lol which part

or like

the entire thing? 👀

[echo flower]

idk ill just rip off the concept

[wide totem]

ah lol

its a fairly common concept 😛

[echo flower]

and maybe the plugin getter

so far my parser's really simple

[wide totem]

pytest flake8, etc, all support plugins. They just do it a different way which is arguably better for your usecase

my way is built to be least user interaction, but comes at the expense of modifying the environment during runtime (very bad)

[echo flower]

hmmmm okay

[wide totem]

flake8 and pytest plugins are installed into the environment via a manager like pip or something

[echo flower]

how does flake8 recognize plugins hmm

if PYTHON_INTERPRETER is None:
raise FileNotFoundError("Could not locate python interpreter.")
i wonder how this is even possible

surely you need a python executable to run the python file itself right

[fluid plank]

helpers are omniscient

should i... worship them?

can they really help me?

[lofty loom]

yes you should

[fluid plank]

who should i worship?

there are too many

[echo flower]

worship poop

[lofty loom]

Hyper Shitty Poop

[dusky cliff]

someone called

[fluid plank]

he codes in Julia so that makes sense

[wide totem]

WHY DID THEY CHANGE THE THUMBNAIL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

wait what

this is what I get

[echo flower]

me 2

damn they changed it

[graceful nimbus]

Hey ??

@vital crown hey

[vital crown]

Hey

[graceful nimbus]

@vital crown hey I ordered meditations by Marcus aurelius it's going to be delivered today

So do u follow or believe in stoicism ?

[vital crown]

I don't.

[graceful nimbus]

Oh okay

[vital crown]

<- This is Epicurus.

He was a philosophical hedonist.

[graceful nimbus]

Great I only know epictedus

So where do u work at ??

[vital crown]

A financial technology company

[graceful nimbus]

Great

[autumn hornet]

how do the helpers find things?

[barren marsh]

What do you mean?

[autumn hornet]

The channel name - when a question is asked, how is a helper with knowledge summoned?

[barren marsh]

They're omniscient; they know when they're needed :p

(If it's a serious question, they don't get "summoned". It's just a case of browsing through the channels until they find something they can help with, so same as everyone else)

Sometimes we ask in one of our internal channels for assistance from a specific user we know is knowledgeable in the needed area of a help channel, but generally it's just a matter of perusing

@autumn hornet ^

[autumn hornet]

That's interesting, but thanks.

[jovial island]

they also have tap of knowledge water installed at their places. Usually lemon takes care of installing it at new helper's house.
The setting is very similar to Rashid Khalifa (professionally known as Shah of Blah).
The only difference is that Rashid has tap of stories installed at his place, while helpers have tap of knowledge water installed.

Hope this also helps @autumn hornet

[autumn hornet]

Thanks, will drinking the Water of Knowledge turn me into the Kwisatz Helperach?

[jovial island]

Unfortunately I am not yet fortunate to taste the water of knowledge, however some professional helper or lemon himself might answer that more accurately.

[ember oar]

#python-discussion message
@wheat aurora ^

[languid osprey]

ya think?

[lofty loom]

Aboos made out of abonananas

[jade bolt]

aboo is a typo of abonana, which is a typo of abanana, which is a typo of banana,
conclusion, aboo is a typo of banana

[turbid pulsar]

looks bad

[wheat aurora]

So when the server was much smaller we did 2 code jams a year. A summer one and a winter one. The issue is that in that form they didn't scale, like at all. Every single entry had a code review and the team forming process was manual. One of my big tasks stepping into the Event Lead role was to make the code jams scale-able and sustainble (i.e. don't burn out the people working on the code jam). So one of my recommendations was just to do 1 yearly one as it's quite a bit of effort both on the planning side and the participating side.

[placid patrol]

makes sense

[ember oar]

Ah alright.

Thanks for the answer

[zinc dome]

How programming started

[placid patrol]

someone was lazy and wanted to automate something

automated quick maffs

[hidden kernel]

to punish some dickheads using security-through-obscurity

[compact dagger]

passwordless ssh login, but you need to port knock in a very spessific way to allow a connection from your ip

[tribal tinsel]

That would actually be interesting

Now I wonder how I'd do that... I'd need to listen on all those ports, so it's kinda obvious that something's up with them

Then probably checking some logs or something

To finally add IP to some whitelist

The easiest thing I can think of will be just using a webserver on many ports and using one backend - I'll have the ips in one place to check the current chain of requests

[steel eagle]

passwordless ssh login but it requires port knocking, a private key, and an automated question/response audio drill akin to dialup

[hollow heart]

how's everyone tonight?

i had to pick up my dad from the train station, first time since the pandemic, and taking a different route from my usual A>B commute really messed me up and I missed an exit and made another exit too early 😔

[hidden kernel]

feelin pretty good, hbu?

[hollow heart]

good good otherwise. work is slow and quiet bc people are ooo. it feels like the quiet before the storm

[hidden kernel]

i spent most of today configuring powershell and vscode

[hollow heart]

do share

what is there to configure for powershell?

im also trying out vs code (coming from pycharm) and it feels very different

[hidden kernel]

well for one thing windows put some alias over where.exe

im also relatively new to VSC, but its been pretty smooth so far

[steel eagle]

VS code is absolutely wonderful

only editor I can use nowdays, aside from emacs

but I'm rarely stuck in a terminal-only environment anymore, so emacs rarely gets touched

VS Code has enough features to be a lightweight IDE for all the languages I use...at once

[hollow heart]

i'm kinda lost in how the git stuff works in vs code

i don't think pycharm has a "staging" equivalent. or is that what they call "adding" 🤔

[mental idol]

staging and adding are basically the same.

"on stage" means changes will be part of the next commit

[steel eagle]

^ VS code's git is actually pretty intuitive

[mental idol]

i was struggling today. I hit esc :w SO many times in vscode today. My mind was just "you're in vim" mode

[steel eagle]

There are vim plugins for it, y'know

[hidden kernel]

in bare git, add is a command that adds something to the staging area

[hollow heart]

okie. and if im opening projects in 2 editors as i experiment and stage/commit things in both IDEs throughout the day is that potential for disaster or should be fine?

[steel eagle]

should be fine as they go off the .git folder

[hollow heart]

@mental idol look:

[mental idol]

Being on Discord is a relief simply to have my emoji again. Teams is so dull during work hours.

Nobody knows what rooHappy means

[hollow heart]

ive definitely not started using :emote_names: when messaging people outside discord

[mental idol]

Teammate: We're going to need to rebuild that deploy
Me: :rooCry:
Teammate: What?
Me: That's so sad

[hollow heart]

so do roo emotes follow camelCase apparently

[mental idol]

Twitch emotes do, in general.

[ornate scroll]

whats a roo emote anyways

[mental idol]

[median blade]

The panda

I like capoo more

[jade bolt]

panda2d

[hollow heart]

@copper tartan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRMmlo_Uqcs i found your alt youtube 👀

[jade bolt]

👀

time to create a video named you need to quit Python RIGHT NOW!!

[steel eagle]

just have it be an unedited cut of getting a native executable of a large program using nuitka

no direct commentary, just whatever swearing you do in the process

and any monologue to yourself

"Why isn't this working? What thE FUCK. WHY DO I NEED PYTHON 3.4 DLLS?"

[hollow heart]

lol so im actually watching the video now and his justification for learning python is bc it's mentioned on various job listings, meanwhile every listing he shows also mentions perl, java and javascript oh my

he's very enthusiastic 😅

[tiny onyx]

is integer data type abstract or concrete?

[wide totem]

Okay but like imagine learning a language for fun lol

[hollow heart]

no wdym im learning python so i can become a millionaire in 2 years

[echo flower]

im learning python for world domination

[jade bolt]

i am learning python for 1 year im a half millionaire now

[dusky cliff]

depends on what the term refers to in the particular prog lang tbh

int is a "concrete" type in python, numbers.Integral is abstract

Integer is abstract in julia, Int32, Int64 are concrete

[tiny onyx]

I don't completely understand, what I get is primitive = concrete

in java, int is concrete and Integer is abstract?

[dusky cliff]

an abstract type is mainly for defining the interface of the type, such as the names of the methods that are going to be available
how these methods are implemented is left to the concrete types

java.util.List would be an ADT, java.util.ArrayList, java.util.LinkedList etc would be concrete implementations of this ADT

[dusky cliff]

I don't think that's quite correct

[dusky cliff]

if you have an instance of the type java.util.List, it is guaranteed to have methods such as add, indexOf, get, etc
how these methods work under the hood depends on the concrete type you initialized your object with, an ArrayList would implement add in a different way from a LinkedList. point is, the interface remains the same

[tiny onyx]

makes sense, so abstract data types are just another word for interface types (or abstract classes)?

[dusky cliff]

yeah

[tiny onyx]

thanks

[sharp spoke]

What does abstract mean here

[vital crown]

Abstract in the context of computing generally refers to a thing that defines an interface but does not specify a particular implementation of that interface.

So, it's basically a black box that says it does a thing, and you can rely on it doing that thing without having to worry about how it does the thing.

It's a way to manage complexity. The thing can be super complicated on the inside, but abstraction allows you to ignore all of that and just treat it as a thing that takes inputs and spits out outputs.

[sharp spoke]

Ahhh

Ohkay

[tribal tinsel]

It's basically an inheritance without implementation in the base class. Because base class knows nothing about how children would implement it.

Eg let's say we have a Shape class. We know every shape has area and perimeter. But each shape has a different formula for that.
Also, we don't want to have any object that's directly a Shape. Shapes know their own areas. So we want everyone to inherit from it.

You can see programming abstraction quite literally - abstraction as in existing as a concept and not physically.

Class that's not instantiable and is only to be inherited from is called an abstract class.
Method in that class that only defines an interface (ie show that this method exists) but has no implementation is called an abstract method.

In Python we have duck typing, so that we don't really have to have defined abstraction. But it helps in more complex projects.
Abstract classes are handled nicely using abc module (abc because abstract base classes, i love that acronym ❤️) and its abstractmethod decorators.

[fluid plank]

me who sends messages in fragments. also Nicky ^

[exotic hound]

i moved files from linux to windows, then moved them again from windows to linux, now all files become executable and folders can't be accessed from terminal, what to do now to get the files as before?

chmod -x file works, but not for folder

when I cd into the folder, it says permission denied

[fluid plank]

change owner

[echo flower]

i had the same problem

[fluid plank]

sudo chown yourusername -R somedirectoryandfiles

[jovial island]

[fluid plank]

-R is to recursively own people

[jovial island]

Sudo apt windows

[echo flower]

i kinda cheated because i had like 12 files only though
all i did was cat {file} > temp.txt && rm -f {file} && cat temp.txt > {file} && rm -f temp.txt

[fluid plank]

that also works but thats a lot of workaround.

well you are lucky to see the contents of the file

otherwise just chown it blyat

[echo flower]

true i didnt know about chown 😅

[exotic hound]

still says permission denied

[echo flower]

so i did it the only way i knew how

[tribal tinsel]

x permission for folder means that you can go through the folder
So all folders should preferably have x

[copper tartan]

[fluid plank]

nah i doubt. i might have messed the command

[exotic hound]

i do chmod -R 777 folder now i can cd into that folder, but folder and the contents still colored green

[fluid plank]

oh no the owner is lurkin. hide guys

[steel eagle]

lemon is now a raspberry

[tribal tinsel]

Because now you gave 777 to everything recursively inside the folder as well. While you wanted x only for the folders, not everything

[fluid plank]

change the contents using chmod 655

also https://chmod-calculator.com hmm

very handy

[tribal tinsel]

https://superuser.com/questions/91935 <- this says how to chmod only directories and only files. Use those two commands to fix files and directories separately

[exotic hound]

thanks.
weird thing is i didn't do anything, i got permission denied again 🙂

[keen burrow]

Good ol' find

[fluid plank]

Find Good Ol

[echo flower]

this otn is fake

[grim seal]

@jovial island raycast

[keen burrow]

How many things called raycast are there

[hazy laurel]

I count... raycast amount of raycasts named raycast

[languid osprey]

Hm

[frozen remnant]

can som1 help me find the error here pls

[mental idol]

so if I called you by your name you wouldnt answer
@vague hound If you were rude to me I wouldn't answer. Otherwise, chances are I would. My pronouns just reflect the fact that I have no strong attachment to one identification. I'm very much just me.

[vague hound]

so you want to get called by your name or pronouns

or are pronouns names

[mental idol]

the answer is a vague "yes". I get called by Preocts, he, him, they, and them. I even get called she or her online. Since I don't draw a hard definition, others are welcome to use what they are comfortable associating me with.

[vague hound]

how do pronouns work

grmatically

like

Preocots likes dogs he enjoys petting them

or would it be he likes dogs he enjoys petting them

[mental idol]

Yup. Or "Preocts likes dogs, they enjoy petting them."

[vague hound]

ok

makes sense

thx

[mental idol]

Welcome.

[vague hound]

[mental idol]

A honking good time in here.

[compact dagger]

[tranquil ridge]

[hexed nacelle]

🤣

[sterile nymph]

progress untill you can break something

Oh, no

Maybe I can fix

[keen burrow]

Hello @clever barn! We saw that you have been opening and closing help channels with the message "test". Are you looking for something in particular?

[sudden swallow]

hey man how did get the emoji thingy in your nickname

[keen burrow]

It is a new feature

If you look at the devops role, you'll see it has the icon itself

[sudden swallow]

is the role custom made ?

[keen burrow]

That's a normal Discord role

That feature is slowly rolling out to tier two guilds I believe

[sudden swallow]

oh damn

[unreal sigil]

Pretty sure I saw it popup as a new feature in my test server with only me and a few bots

So might be available now with the latest update

[keen burrow]

don't you need 5 boosts for it

[unreal sigil]

ah, you baited me discord

[keen burrow]

lol

[sudden swallow]

[keen burrow]

wow, we are down to 50 boosts

[sudden swallow]

yep no use of those boosts XD

[sudden swallow]

can't c in my server tho

[unreal sigil]

You might need to update, pretty sure I got an update this morning and it only popped up after that

[sudden swallow]

lol I got 12 updates today

[keen burrow]

Try to guess when epic gave away three months of nitro

[wheat rock]

6/11

[tribal tinsel]

That drop

[odd sphinx]

wow

[echo flower]

imagine going from 200 to 60 in 5 days

[jade bolt]

i'm guessing 9/14

[jade bolt]

what wsl distro should i choose

[odd sphinx]

as u wish

[lofty loom]

Any

[jovial island]

who joe

[lofty loom]

I just use Alpine

[keen burrow]

So 3 months previously

Haha

[jade bolt]

joe mama

[jovial island]

Ohh i did that first??

Thought of that

[echo flower]

3 months and 4 days to account for the cancellation period

[tribal tinsel]

sits there without cancelling their Epic nitro

[echo flower]

imagine having money

[tribal tinsel]

Imagine paying taxes

[sharp spoke]

@tribal tinsel remember the talk about generators being looped back and shit...
so guess i did some fooling around (took inspiration from tee implementation too) and here i guess i am satisfied with it ig
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/izekuluzoh.yaml if you wanna see the fuckery 👀
idk why i am telling this to u.. just feeling good to finally get done with this uwhieuhewih

[median blade]

uwhieuhewih

[grim seal]

joe talk so deep

[median blade]

noted

[jade bolt]

true

[simple coral]

hi

[jovial island]

#help-chocolate message

@echo fern regarding this, doens't python do augmenting for things like max and min?

[echo fern]

Like, merge min/max calls into one loop?

[jovial island]

no. possibly store them beforehand.

[echo fern]

fairly sure not, esp. considering you can't even know beforehand if the objects in the list are comparable, or if their comparisons are deterministic, etc

python is too free to have good things 😅

[jovial island]

oh i see.

i thought they may be using augmenting. for max and min too. because you know i think they do for length.

[echo fern]

len is stored, yeah

but that's all that can be stored in general, since the objects are arbitrary

[jovial island]

makes sense.

and list is too 'free' for other things in py. makes sense.

[pliant trench]

lmao

[ionic locust]

@jovial island I don't know what to think about your status message... 🍏

[placid patrol]

🍎

[jovial island]

🍎

[daring jay]

6/10 actually

but people started actually claiming it more over the next couple days

[mental idol]

Me: I shouldn't download that library/program/whatever. It's rather bulky.
Also me: Usage of /: 2.9% of 250.98GB

[hidden kernel]

34.1 GB free of 931 GB I can probably put a few more games on there

[hollow heart]

nice, like keeping low cc utilization rates

[frozen remnant]

hey can any1 here help me w my java homework,, level begginer really easy stuff

[hollow heart]

wait i just realized i misread you having 30gb used instead of 30gb remaining lol

[hidden kernel]

lol i was just gonna let it ride

[hollow heart]

is there any truth to ssds "getting slow" if you utilize too much of the storage? if so how much is too much?

[steel eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/24TuYkk.png

[echo flower]

rich

[ornate scroll]

bro how do u have that much storage space

i have 512 gb and i barely have any left

[mental idol]

How can't you lift without that much space?

[echo flower]

oh my god

[storm birch]

my 4tb is on my server 😔

[echo flower]

i did have a 1tb laptop before

but it hasnt been booted up in 2 years

and i dont know where the charger is

and it's a hdd

[storm birch]

My manjaro on my laptop died and I have been too lazy to fix

[mental idol]

I thought I had a 1.5tb but only seeing the 1tb and 4tb. The 1.5 was either moved to the server or I unplugged it

[gaunt dirge]

so

is any ody good at math

bc wtf is b

[storm birch]

Looks to me like a graded assignment

[hidden kernel]

i think they're looking for constant values of k and b

[turbid pulsar]

Whenever i type google in my address bar, it makes it google search which i think is very annoying. Any way to fix this?

[jovial island]

Assuming that that is Firefox, I think you have a keyword set to the search engine

I think you can disable that in the settings by removing the keyword

…I think

I partly remember not being able to remove builtin search engine keywords

[mental idol]

I didn't like that feature of google search so I switched to duckduckgo and never looked back.

[jovial island]

Thinking about it, I might be wrong about that being Firefox, but I think they can still disable it in the settings

[jovial island]

That's fair

You can replace that entirely with DuckDuckGo's bangs feature

[mental idol]

the bang search flags are amazing.

[jovial island]

Yeah

[whole rock]

Hello, I am new to coding and need help. I want to start with python as my first language.
As you all are experienced, can you pls tell how and from where should I learn. And what mistakes not to make

[placid patrol]

..

[turbid pulsar]

we live in the dark side
-Programmeers

[hidden kernel]

!resources
This is a good place to start

[clever salmon]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/resources

[jovial island]

ah freak i just shared same thing before 2 mins in #ot1-this-regex-is-impossible @hidden kernel

[hidden kernel]

As for mistakes:

• Don't think you can't google things or ask questions, you don't need to memorize stuff
• The basic syntax is only the first step; writing code is primarily about designing algorithms
• Don't compare yourself to others too much, it's rarely productive
• Don't push yourself too hard, it's easy to burnout
• Personally I think video tutorials are a trap, I'm not convinced people learn much from them

[whole rock]

Sorry I am new to discord also so I posted message in different groups

[whole rock]

Thank you

[jovial island]

it's alright 😊

[sudden swallow]

[pliant trench]

lol

[echo flower]

@zealous hazel

python server anti monke confirmed

[zealous hazel]

how

[echo flower]

look at the ot name

[zealous hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/king-kong-rage-scream-angry-gif-16778343

MONKE ANGRY

unacceptable

[jovial island]

.uwu willy wonka made a nice chocolate thingy on the chocolaty rivers

[rustic harbor]

wiwwy wonka made a nice chocowate fingy on de chocowaty wivews

i ate wiwwy wonka and chawwie

[jade bolt]

evil

[jovial island]

wtf

@Moderators sir lancebot is being evil now. keep your eyes open.
no one should eat willy😔

[jovial island]

Hey @magic atlas
can you give me refs of how this thing works?
Like what exactly is valid and what is not?
#python-discussion message

i mean this works like this but with - it had different behaviour and with _ it gave error i think

[elfin vine]

!string-formatting

[clever salmon]

String Formatting Mini-Language
The String Formatting Language in Python is a powerful way to tailor the display of strings and other data structures. This string formatting mini language works for f-strings and .format().

Take a look at some of these examples!

>>> my_num = 2134234523
>>> print(f"{my_num:,}")
2,134,234,523

>>> my_smaller_num = -30.0532234
>>> print(f"{my_smaller_num:=09.2f}")
-00030.05

>>> my_str = "Center me!"
>>> print(f"{my_str:-^20}")
-----Center me!-----

>>> repr_str = "Spam \t Ham"
>>> print(f"{repr_str!r}")
'Spam \t Ham'

Full Specification & Resources
String Formatting Mini Language Specification
pyformat.info

[elfin vine]

We made a tag about it

[jovial island]

oh i mean equal thing

[elfin vine]

Yes?

[jovial island]

im used to fstring in simple use cases but i mean, this(typing)

!e

a=5
print(f'{a = }')
print(f'{a=}')
print(f'{a := }')
print(f'{a =: }')
# print(f'{a === }') invalid

[clever salmon]

@jovial island :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | a = 5
002 | a=5
003 |  5
004 | a = 5

[magic atlas]

Hello? I was summoned 👀

From the depths.

[jovial island]

yes sir.

[magic atlas]

Oh, Bluenix has gotchu sorted.

Everything you want to know about f-strings is here: https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#f-strings

And here: https://docs.python.org/3/library/string.html#formatspec

[jovial island]

oh i see, so format was optional and if we don't give it, we get the usual print

[round moss]

@jovial islandso, this is mildly odd, but placing = as the last element in an fstring gives you a = value of a. Then, you place a : after it to give it a format specifier, e.g.

a = 1.5245624352
f'{a = :.2f}' == 'a = 1.52'
```if you do `{a :=}`, then you are using `=` as the format specifier, which when given `:= ` adds a leading space. An empty format string is the default, which generally falls back to `__str__`. However `f'{a}'` does `format(a, '')`, not `str(a)`, so the output can differ

[jovial island]

When the equal sign '=' is provided, the output will have the expression text, the '=' and the evaluated value. Spaces after the opening brace '{', within the expression and after the '=' are all retained in the output.

!e
print(format(5,''))

[clever salmon]

@jovial island :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

5

[jovial island]

@round moss thanks a lot for help, Im kinda still confused about := case

[clever salmon]

@thorn dragon :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | x = 5
002 | x/10 = 0.5

[round moss]

!e
@jovial island= is a format specifier as well, see

a = 10
print(format(a, '= '), format(a, '0=4'), format(a, '=3'), sep='\n')

[clever salmon]

@round moss :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 |  10
002 | 0010
003 |  10

[round moss]

honestly couldn't tell you why it works the way it does, but that's what it does

[jovial island]

oh!!
so okay hence we gave :=
so py took = for formatter
and if we assume that = adds a space before(which can be sorted later about how)
we get 5

[round moss]

yup

[jovial island]

ah i see i see makes sense. I didnt know f strings do stuff like this too!

[round moss]

>>> a = 10
>>> f'{a =:= 3}'
'a = 10'
```amazing

[jovial island]

!e

a = 10
print(f'{a =:= 5}')
print(f'{a =:= 3}')
print(f'{a =:= 1}')
print(f'{a =:=}')

[clever salmon]

@jovial island :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | a =   10
002 | a = 10
003 | a = 10
004 | a =10

[hazy laurel]

what on Earth

[jovial island]

wow i guess I'll need to read more on format now!

[dusky cliff]

!e symmetric!

f'{8 =:= 8}'

[clever salmon]

@dusky cliff :warning: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[hazy laurel]

epic

[dusky cliff]

just the output i wanted