ot2-the-original-pubsta

[sinful sun]

Friends working at UBS use github

[echo flower]

i have a very bad idea

why not just use github for files torage?

maybe you can store all your word documents

[odd sphinx]

i mean

u could

[elfin vine]

BitBucket is big because Atlassian makes Jira

[crisp vessel]

[lapis yacht]

2GB is max size for free acc. Plus, afaik, you cant upload more than 25MB of files at once

[echo flower]

what about premium

[lapis yacht]

Github Pro does give some extra storage ig

[wide totem]

where is marked?

[echo flower]

github student premium aexists

[odd sphinx]

@wide totem read #ot0-fear-of-python it might be of use to u

[echo flower]

lmao zeeshanok is now prashant 2 electric boogaloo

[daring jay]

That reminds me of this that I saw yesterday: https://supabase.io/new/videos/blog/launch-week-storage-2/directory-uploads.mp4

[odd sphinx]

lol

[lapis yacht]

😂😂

[echo flower]

lmao

[wide totem]

heh

[balmy storm]

I need a good idea for anstartup

Like making apps is so saturated

I dont know, what, todo

How do I distribute my idea

Apps webapps?

[odd sphinx]

an app that can make apps

[median blade]

wow

[steel eagle]

I was just warning someone else earlier that specific build has really bad broken z levels. Right click menus showing behind things, unusable, etc

[wide totem]

i'm still on 10 lol

[steel eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/Oyyhg42.png

This channel is laughable man, completely different purposes for the editor

if you REALLY want to compare terminal editors...compare vim and emacs

or nano and micro or something

compare something that's...comperable

[mossy root]

Hi

[steel eagle]

why did you post in all 3 channels...?

[mossy root]

I'm trying to verify my voice

[steel eagle]

spamming will not help you with that

[mossy root]

Messaging in different channels would not considered as Spam

[steel eagle]

the same message in all 3 channels is

[topaz copper]

I NEED HELP
PLES
where is the uefi firmware settings file thing,
i reinstalled windows in uefi mode
and now i need to know where the files are that allows me to change the settings
i have intel i5 core 3570 3.40ghz

[topaz copper]

-_-

[proper python]

Why is taking evening naps so scuffed

I just had a headache, lied down for an hour and now it’s 3 am

I have no feeling of tiredness

[brisk musk]

Makes ur brain lighter

[half timber]

Keen. There’s been a lot of work leading up to this PEP. Hoping it’s accepted and the python community reaps the consistency rewards. https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-665-specifying-installation-requirements-for-python-projects/9911

[steel eagle]

When it's Brett Cannon you KNOW it's going to be good

[wheat rock]

hehehe

also to inform

it has bugs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[odd sphinx]

huh

where

[wheat rock]

minor

[quiet walrus]

anyone know any good anime card apis

[sterile nymph]

magic

[echo flower]

the only bug I've noticed is screenshot

and that was bugged in win10 only

[rustic elbow]

@limber pollen

https://commits.top/philippines.html

[limber pollen]

Yes

Used to be top 3 but I'm on vacation

[dusky cliff]

damn

[echo flower]

wOwO

anyways

check #ot0-fear-of-python

[dusky cliff]

god

[echo flower]

45k

[junior hamlet]

hi! I'm trying to make a rain prediction model using already existing data but get errors left and right. Pls help me in #help-mango

[sharp spoke]

tf whatsapp

[echo flower]

whatsapp desktop exists?

[odd sphinx]

yes

[sharp spoke]

it does? what jeez

[echo flower]

do you need a phone to use it tho

[odd sphinx]

yes

u need ur phone nearby

[sharp spoke]

that QR code thing?

[odd sphinx]

ye

very useful

[wheat rock]

Desktop

[wheat rock]

Yes

[sharp spoke]

i have one thing against microsoft store

[tranquil ridge]

same

[sharp spoke]

the thing keeps installing everything in C drive

[tranquil ridge]

its "microsoft" store

[sharp spoke]

lmfao understandable

[wheat rock]

Meanwhile me only having one drive

Time to partition

[jovial island]

What is this channel

[cerulean panther]

this is a offtopic channel

[sterile nymph]

I was about to pong

it's okay to do personal projects just for fun and learning for whoever reads that

[sudden swallow]

damn

[sterile nymph]

in what language the mac terminal

[cerulean panther]

bash ig

[echo flower]

hsab

[keen burrow]

I mean, just give a week and python and I can do that many contribs

[rigid echo]

you are smart, we are not 😔

[pliant trench]

I mean, that guy live with github

[pliant trench]

jeez

[sterile nymph]

I found the symbol on old notes

|y| definite in interval I

[cerulean panther]

wot

[blissful coral]

https://medium.com/@RebelScience/einsteins-e-mc²-can-be-instantly-derived-from-newtonian-physics-221add5dbfe2

[hollow arrow]

hey while programming you have to move a few charakteres to the right sometimes how do you do it? for example if you need to get behind a closed bracket to start writing the next line of code

it seems extremely inefficient and wrong to move the right hand to the arrow keys for that task

[sterile nymph]

y

[hollow arrow]

thats smart thanks but sometimes i dont even want to the end of the line

[tall temple]

Ctrl-right

Will navigate a word instead of a character

@hollow arrow

[hollow arrow]

thats a cool trick as well but my question was more about if its common to use different keyboard layouts with special keybingings or are just typing the closed bracket them self for example

[tall temple]

The navigation keys are all on the right hand side, many programmers prefer to use two hands on the keyboard and only use the mouse if it's quicker

In fact I made an entirely keyboard controlled console minesweeper in python lately

Still looks like classic windows minesweeper, just ascii and wasd

My point is that's a perfectly valid position for the right hand

[hollow arrow]

yeah i guess you are right

[tall temple]

Ctrl up and down in some editors will move to the next code block

Add shift to any arrow key sequence to select

I don't have a laptop handy I can't remember what alt does with arrow keys

[sharp spoke]

da hek man god :prayage:

[sterile nymph]

laaser keyboard is the deal

[left rivet]

x

[tribal tinsel]

different keyboard layouts/additional keyboard layers exist and can help with that. e.g. https://dreymar.colemak.org/layers-extend.html extend layer to do stuff without moving your hands from main part of the keyboard 😄

btw, if the closing parens was automatically added when you were opening parens, then IDEs usually recognize writing closing one as matching it 🙂

[hollow arrow]

thank you

[steel eagle]

I have unfortunately aged

[tranquil ridge]

is that a new disease?

[odd sphinx]

yes

[ripe sail]

yo are memes allowed in here?

[cerulean panther]

uhh, no https://pythondiscord.com/pages/guides/pydis-guides/off-topic-etiquette/

[ripe sail]

ah

okay

[steel eagle]

It is a 24 year old disease for me today

🤣

[tranquil ridge]

ono

24 aint that bad

[thorny plume]

Yeah

That would be great, thank you!

Ohhh alright. Thanks again!

[ripe sail]

Nice, I actually found this one which seems to be lightly based off of that same theme

Ocean Space

[daring jay]

There are a lot of Monokai themes

[ripe sail]

another one I found was "Material Deep Ocean Theme"

also The Night Ocean

The other one I found was the Red theme (default in VSC), which I call VSCode Eternal lol

ye

I'm still thinking of which VSCode theme I should use

no more yucky microsoft icons

[daring jay]

what type of themes do you like?

Colorful and bright, or some more muted colors?

[ripe sail]

Probably muted

The one I went with for a long time was default dark

[daring jay]

I dunno then, I'm the kind of person who uses very colorful themes

[ripe sail]

I think Ocean Space is my favorite

[dusky cliff]

im too lazy to change defaults on any software i use

my terminal is probably the only thing i've spent time customising a bit heh

[daring jay]

I customize my terminal and vsc mostly

[polar prism]

I prefer Horizon

[ripe sail]

this is probably my favorite terminal customization

[polar prism]

ok, so quick question, what extension is this from

[ripe sail]

OhMyPosh + Powerline

I actually like the way this looks

[thorny plume]

Is there one where it allows you to customize the font or are they all hardcoded

[ripe sail]

Change it in VSCode settings

[thorny plume]

How would I go about that?

[ripe sail]

⚙️ > Search: "font"

[odd sphinx]

best theme

[thorny plume]

I will have you know I only spent 2 hours on this!

The color coding bit lol the code was already there

[thorny plume]

I lightened up on the color saturation a bit

[daring jay]

@nova ember Is there a way I can invest in a high tech Vesterbot?

[ancient whale]

2 things, 1) is there a reason you’re not using elifs? And 2) what’s with the getattrs?

I realize now you were talking about the theme lmao nvm

[thorny plume]

I can still tell you why. If I use elifs, there's the off chance Ill get more than one statement true (I know it isn't possible based on the conditions, but I'd rather be safe)- which I dont want.
As for the getattr()s, as far as I can tell, there's no difference between:

get_fish = getattr(CommonFish, "gl_name")
#and
get_fish = Commonfish.name

I think using getattr() is easier to look at, especially when I cant color code Commonfish or gl_name
Perhaps it's bad practice, it seems to be the common theme with my code, but she's functional lol

[daring jay]

what's there "being safe"

It has to fulfill one of the conditions

There's no way for it not too

[thorny plume]

Using all ifs will only allow for the first true statement to be printed

[daring jay]

And elif does the same

There's no reason not to use elif

elif would make it so that you don't even have to specify the first number that you have there

You could just do

if chance < 10:
    # code
elif chance < 20
    # code
elif chance < 70
    # code

Because it only passes on to the next statement if the previous one wasn't executed

[thorny plume]

Its the other way around. Elifs return only the first true statement

[daring jay]

Wdym?

Both of those snippets of code would do the exact same thing

with elif and with if

Wouldn't they?

[thorny plume]

x = 4

print("The following return true: \n")

if x >= 1 and x < 5:
    print("First Statement")
elif x >= 3 and x < 7: #Replacing if with elif
    print("Second Statement")

Elif returns First Statement and if returns both

[daring jay]

yeah

but for your code specifically, it never overlaps

so there's no reason for you not to use elif

!e This ```py
import random

chance = random.randint(1, 100)

if chance < 10:
print("less than 10")
elif chance < 20:
print("less than 20")
elif chance < 70:
print("less than 70")
elif chance < 85:
print("less than 85")
elif chance < 95:
print("less than 95")
elif chance < 101:
print("less than 101")

does the same thing as this
```py
import random

chance = random.randint(1, 100)

if chance < 10:
    print("less than 10")
if chance >= 10 and chance < 20:
    print("less than 20")
if chance >= 20 and chance < 70:
    print("less than 70")
if chance >= 70 and chance < 85:
    print("less than 85")
if chance >= 85 and chance < 95:
    print("less than 95")
if chance >= 95 and chance < 101:
    print("less than 101")

[clever salmon]

@daring jay :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | less than 70
002 | less than 85

[daring jay]

(sorry for sticking all the if statements together, i didn't want to get muted for posting too many newlines)

[thorny plume]

Np I can still read it. Im well aware of the details between ifs and elifs.
Because I had it the other way around (thinking elifs posted all true statements), I thought ifs would be better regardless of overlap. I tested this once before because I noticed the output for the code was different when I swapped between them. I just stuck to using ifs and the only real difference (without overlapping conditions) are semantics really

[daring jay]

ifs are a lot less readable (imo) because its harder to follow where a new "block" ends and begins

It also makes you write more conditions sometimes (if chance >= 95 and chance < 101: instead of just elif chance < 101:)

[thorny plume]

Are they the same statement?

[daring jay]

No, but in this cases where there's no overlap, they do the same thing

[thorny plume]

Do you mean like this? (This is a separate file I was using to test other functions - why the numbers different)

[daring jay]

yes, that works

[thorny plume]

It would only ever be possible I get rare or common because only the first true statement will print and ignore the rest

[daring jay]

that's not how it works

You could get any of those values

If you run that code multiple times, you'll see that you can get all of them

although some will be harder to get than others

[thorny plume]

I have no clue. Here's the classes they're referencing:

All the fish get added to this Inventory

[daring jay]

The classes they're referencing don't matter at all

[daring jay]

the second part is correct, yes, but you could still get the Treasures or UniqueFish

Only one of those statements will ever evaluate to true

And that will be the one that runs

[thorny plume]

Selecting 16 marks the first one as true and selecting 98 only ever marks the second one as true

[daring jay]

huh?

errr

actually yeah

this script is slightly flawed

I was reading it wrong

[daring jay]

But the top one here would be correct

[thorny plume]

I misread the first block. I skimmed over it thinking the same conditions applied and didnt notice the < symbols

[jovial island]

Hello

[lofty venture]

Bot

Welcome

[sterile nymph]

that's unsuall

[nova ember]

Beep boop

🤖

Investments will be accepted for Vesterbot 10k. The current Vesterbot 9000 doesn’t have that option

[real forum]

Sefbot confirmed. Ban him.

[nova ember]

Impossible

[daring jay]

Looking forward to it :)

[spiral nimbus]

henlo off topic people

[grave dagger]

d

f

g

[clever salmon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @grave dagger until <t:1627782057:f> (9 minutes and 58 seconds) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).

[median blade]

lol

[odd sphinx]

damn

[proper python]

my code broke, i changed nothing, relaunched the script, and now everything works perfectly

what the fuck

[clear gust]

Your hardware suffered a bout of bad RAM

[sinful sun]

Sometimes you just gotta turn it off and back on

[jovial island]

@median blade wait what

[median blade]

what wait

[odd sphinx]

yes

he replaced me

[daring jay]

you have been replaced by dhzdhd

[jovial island]

what

oh well thanks

i mean

i see. zee got replaced.

okay good nickname. thanks for help @daring jay

i got uodated in versioning

[tranquil ridge]

lol

[shy skiff]

is a backyard nightclub a good business idea?

[worn sluice]

business idea != safe idea

[proper python]

i think it takes a certain kind of person to reach my level of dumbassery

[upbeat sandal]

which of your attributes are you referring to?

[wide totem]

hey, a feeloow dumbass

[languid osprey]

Lmfao

[pastel nest]

Lmfao

[timber field]

@lyric linden hi

[keen flare]

hi can someone help me with js code ?

i am trying to fetch an api and save it as a var but i dont know how to do this
btw i am using wix.com

[jovial island]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Fetch_API/Using_Fetch
this seems like good to me.
where exactly are you stuck?

[median blade]

hmm

[slender echo]

yo

recommend me a nickname

[dusky cliff]

bob

[jade bolt]

poop @slender echo

[slender echo]

um

[tranquil ridge]

NotImplemented

Error

[vocal raven]

404

Error

[rugged portal]

@small depot I know but he just kept telling me to basically shut up.

[small depot]

Yeah I know it's annoying

[rugged portal]

And according to eivl telling someone is wrong is apparently againts the CoC now..

[small depot]

Trust me, you would get muted and you don't want that. You ave a good history here especially in discord-bots channel, unlike him. Even take the higher road(no idea what the phrase is) and maybe say sorry, even though I don't think there is a reason for it. It'll make him fill so small, and you will come out for everyonr as the good one.

[rugged portal]

I don't want to become the good one i just don't want anyone to argue there xD

[small depot]

Yeah, some people are stepping over the line, breaking the Code of Condact and get out rom it easily,but the mods are handling every case they can the way they seem suits the best. Just leave it for now, and the next time he annoys you, or anyone else, goes straight to @vapid maple and don't continue it.

[clear gust]

You had the high ground first but you lost it by responding.

My recommendation is not to 'respond in kind' to trolls or to people who respond in an uncivil manner.

On the internet it's best to simply not respond unless you have the full force of the law behind you

In this case, are you responding to a Russian cyberattack? If no, then do you expect leeway to be given to you?

If you expect leeway to be given to you, then I'm sorry, I don't think the Internet works like that

[fresh reef]

can i talk about stuff other than python here?'

[junior moat]

yeah

[fresh reef]

yooo

we emmit light

[slate leaf]

Yes, I suppose infrared radiation can be considered light

[junior moat]

well it says visible light specifically

[fresh reef]

our eyes are too weak to see it tho

but imagine an animal that can see infared light seeing a 6ft tall giant approaching them

[junior moat]

if it's only from blackboody radiation, apparently something at room temperature emits 1 visible photon per 40 seconds on average

that's... really low lol

[slate leaf]

Huh that is pretty neat, due to free radicals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorophore
https://petapixel.com/2020/06/29/your-body-is-bioluminescent-and-can-be-photographed-in-darkness/

[fresh reef]

eyyyy

so whats everyone here's music taste

mine is

odd

as in

electroswing rock steampunk slow and fast bass heavy type odd

[slate leaf]

So Caravan Palace?

[fresh reef]

h-

how

HOW DO YIU KNOW

but eyea

also nevada is up there

[slate leaf]

Maybe it isn't so odd

[fresh reef]

im bleeding brb

back

[jovial island]

Oh, damn

[fresh reef]

yea

im still bleeding just not as much

[jovial island]

Oh

[fresh reef]

i rember this event

it was about a discord bot

and this guy wanted some help and this other guy like hunted him down cross servers

i was like damn im lucky all the people who've helped me are nice

[jovial island]

is subnautica better than abzu?

[hazy laurel]

abzu?

I've never played this "Abzu", but I absolutely loved Subnautica

[steel eagle]

They're not really comparable

[carmine herald]

i like subnautica its a great atmosphere, and then suddenly you get plot and get reminded that its a videogame

[faint sky]

oof

[odd sphinx]

lmao

[obsidian seal]

I thought the subnautica story line was pretty good lol

[hazy laurel]

I loved Subnautica, I just wish I could play with other people lol

[median blade]

there is a multiplayer mod in subnautica

[cedar turtle]

i use joe btw

[echo flower]

lmao

[echo flower]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/818485957913215020/872005130059395102/caption.gif

[dusky cliff]

lmao

[median blade]

lol wtf

[cedar turtle]

https://www.howtoinstall.me/ubuntu/18-04/joe/

you can install joe it seems

[pliant trench]

lol

good one

[odd sphinx]

wtf

[pliant trench]

I use arch btw = joe is arch btw = I use joe btw

[jade bolt]

aboo use joe btw

[echo flower]

@joe#6000 do you approve of this

I don't exactly want to ping him....
so somebody else do it ig

[wide totem]

For once I'm not gonna do it.

He's on vacation

[echo flower]

I guess he will havee to scroll through the channels and see this ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jade bolt]

@grim seal

[jade bolt]

sure i'll

[echo flower]

lmfao you did it

[jade bolt]

why not, i got nothing to lose

[echo flower]

kik

[jade bolt]

and got banned because of the ping

[echo flower]

lmao

[grim seal]

movinng

no pings i am on holiday next ping gets IP banned from pythondiscord.com

[echo flower]

okay sorry

[jade bolt]

but it's me that pinged

weird that you're saying sorry and i'm not

[wide totem]

That sounds like a fun time

[echo flower]

shut up

[jade bolt]

nah

[grim seal]

i should

add a worker

to ipban people for my amusement

[echo flower]

O.o

[wide totem]

Do it

[keen burrow]

YeS bUt HoW yOu GeT mY iP

[somber belfry]

by hacking your mainframe

[cedar turtle]

joe is with the fbi

[keen burrow]

Ah yes, very good use of the unlimited credits lmao

[wide totem]

Imagine Joe still not knowing mine at this point

[somber belfry]

and overriding the quantum CSS stabilisers

[cedar turtle]

he can see all your ips

[dusky cliff]

joe is the fbi

[wide totem]

Joe 100% could figure out my IP if he wanted asap

[grim seal]

😔

[dusky cliff]

lo

[wide totem]

also pixels event

[echo flower]

400 lmao

[cedar turtle]

and using nanotech machine learning to predict passwords

[dusky cliff]

i have like 28 unread

[keen burrow]

I never actually placed a pixel haha

[wide totem]

Lol

[jade bolt]

my gmail has 999+ unreads

[keen burrow]

I was at 1,200 recently until I added a cronjob to automatically archive github emails after a day haha

[grim seal]

who was it that complained pythondiscord.com idnn't have dnssec

[echo flower]

me neither

[wide totem]

Cloudflare gives pydis unlimited now??

Damn

[keen burrow]

Ye

[wide totem]

Ffs

[jade bolt]

share the credits

[grim seal]

ah it was @jovial island

[wide totem]

I need to start an organization and get it really popular then grow a community and then get sponsored

Well I have the organisation

[keen burrow]

Or become joe

[jade bolt]

~~sure @grim seal ~~

[grim seal]

guess who wins rick

[keen burrow]

Markdown fail

[wide totem]

I'm talking stuff that's possible

[grim seal]

joe wins.

[dusky cliff]

joe always wins

[cedar turtle]

you can make people join it by threatening to doxx them if they dont using masterhacker skills

[wide totem]

I only wrote tests for the first time today

[dusky cliff]

the cool kids don't write tests

[wide totem]

~~ I already have an organisation~~

[odd sphinx]

why would u test flawless code

[jade bolt]

time to check am i ip-banned yet

[keen burrow]

DNSSEC is one of the messiet thing ever

[grim seal]

🙂

DNSSEC is beautiful akarys

[cedar turtle]

cant write tests if it throws an exception upon simply importing the module

[keen burrow]

You have like 10 fields and only use a couple of them

But they aren't the same

[wide totem]

Funny thing about said tests, I had already set up codecov but all of the coverage was reported as zero.

[keen burrow]

Some have numbers, not always the same

[wide totem]

So legit, the repo says 0% coverage

[grim seal]

lmfafo yeah okay true

[wide totem]

It's fucking great

[pliant trench]

"lmfafo"

[keen burrow]

Some force you to use a certain algorithm, but you have to enable it somewhere on your registrar

[grim seal]

BUT akarys wait wait

just hold

[keen burrow]

It took me like 30mins to get DNSSEC setup for work lol

Holding

[grim seal]

i am loading a page

[keen burrow]

lmao

[grim seal]

my internet in this residency is very bad

[keen burrow]

Is your internet that bad

Haha

[pliant trench]

lol

[grim seal]

yeah it's really bad

literally middle of nowhere

even mmore than my normal house

[keen burrow]

Time to send pigeons?

[cedar turtle]

!e ```py
joe = arch = ...

print(joe is arch)

[clever salmon]

@cedar turtle :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[keen burrow]

Honestly you slap a hard drive on a pigeon and you can have some decent speed

[wide totem]

Send a 100mb file uwu

[grim seal]

lol it won't loadd

but

https://dnsviz.net/d/pythondiscord.com/dnssec/

look at the pretty diagrams!

[wide totem]

I see them!

Unlike you

[keen burrow]

Diagrams!

[wide totem]

Akarys!

[grim seal]

ah it loaded for me now

[jade bolt]

!e print("joe always lose" > "joe always win")

[clever salmon]

@jade bolt :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

[jade bolt]

yep joe always win

[cloud tiger]

!e print("joe losses" > "joe wins")

[clever salmon]

@cloud tiger :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

[keen burrow]

Uuuhhh

Hold on

[hazy laurel]

"losses" :<

[keen burrow]

!e from ctypes import *; print(cast(pointer(ARRAY(3, c_longlong)(5773663579361011016, 7585223331086365817, 36715300348787)), POINTER(ARRAY(24, c_char)))[0][:22].decode())

[clever salmon]

@keen burrow :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

Hello, Python Discord!

[grim seal]

LMAFO the text record got includedd in DNSSEC

[keen burrow]

Lmao

[grim seal]

yeah

LMFAO

i win

[keen burrow]

I kinda expected a rickroll tbh

[jade bolt]

!e

if "joe always loses":
    print("wait will this get me banned")

[clever salmon]

@jade bolt :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

wait will this get me banned

[keen burrow]

Also what do we use Google site verification for?

[grim seal]

search console

[barren marsh]

!bam 611418694245154847 staff disrespect

[keen burrow]

Aah

[somber belfry]

wham bam thank you ma'am

[echo flower]

if you had misclicked that letter...

[pliant trench]

pydis.com makes so much requests btw

[jade bolt]

i thought it's something like "Come back when you read our #code-of-conduct and #rules "

[barren marsh]

Can't link to the channels when you're not in the server lol

I could link to the website pages I guess (that's what I usually do)

[jade bolt]

ye

[grim seal]

yeah i mean we load a lot of assets lol

site still loads pretty quickly

[barren marsh]

You might be able to link channels because of discovery but not sure (cc @grim seal)

[pliant trench]

yea

[grim seal]

a lot of those are single images

[jade bolt]

👀

nvm i pinged him first

[barren marsh]

lol

[keen burrow]

Oh BTW, kind of related question, can you list every subdomain of a single domain or you have to guess them?

[somber belfry]

I don't think discovery works if you are banned

[grim seal]

nah you can't

[grim seal]

have to guess unless the DNS server accidentally has zone transfers on

[barren marsh]

Right, thought so. Thanks

[keen burrow]

Hmm

[grim seal]

guess can sometimes have hints, through google indexing doing the guesswork for you or for people doing non-wildcard certs for subdoamins

[keen burrow]

I see

So if I'm using CF and don't trigger a transfer I can assume I'm safe?

[grim seal]

you will almost never trigger a zone transfer

[keen burrow]

Context is I have a record for direct access to my node not going through CF

[grim seal]

it's different to a domain transfer

AXFR is liiike

[keen burrow]

So I can't even add Access to it

[grim seal]

okay so consider you use 2 DNS servers

[keen burrow]

Mhm

[grim seal]

that aswer for the same zone

you have a primary and a secondary

and the secondary runs an AXFR (zone transfer) periodically on the primary to pull an updated copy of the zone to serve

[keen burrow]

I see

Shouldn't those requests be authenticated though

[grim seal]

yeah

andd they generally are

it's only misconfiguration by the DNS operator that can allow for that

[grim seal]

like i did bbefore i realised it was uncool 😎

[keen burrow]

Right, bold of me to assume things are correctly configurated

[grim seal]

lmfao

the uhhh

north korean TLD had it enabled for a while

[keen burrow]

I mean

North Korean tld

[grim seal]

this is what it looks like

there are also good uses for AXFR

[keen burrow]

That's a nice domain

I'm sure it can be super useful for backup DNS and the like

[grim seal]

ICANN run a couple of servers that allow you to AXFR a bunch of important zones for runnig your own resolver

[keen burrow]

Ay, stuff

[keen burrow]

Pydis running its own internet infra from the bottom up when

[grim seal]

you can get a copy of all TLD NSs from ICANN

lmfao

[keen burrow]

That'd be such a fun project

[grim seal]

hell yeah

[keen burrow]

It would be even funnier if you actually build the infra

[grim seal]

I have a full internet at home

TLDs, root nameservers, TLD nameservers

running your own network lab is good and cool

[keen burrow]

Oi, that's sick

Hmmmmmm

I wonder how far I can go with my rpi lol

Good thing is I have gigabytes internet now, so I can go crazy

[grim seal]

DNS is a component of it, all devices that want to communicate use BGP to establish sessions, I allocate private blocks of IPv6 to them

[keen burrow]

I could get many of those tiny rpis

[grim seal]

Got to hop now, I can talk about it in more detail, just ask when I'm around

[keen burrow]

Cya

Running an AS takes money though

Not much though

Not bad tbh

28 is quite good

I had 0.6MBPS two days ago

Now I have spikes at 980 lol

I think I'm limited to 1GBPS though, quite sad

Well, it was downloading from a Netflix PoP, that isn't really representative lol

Orange

ASN 5511

Yeah, as French as it gets

[lucid osprey]

hi

[vocal raven]

Hello

[lofty loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/150909911952392193/872112343398613052/747.jpg

A cursed image for the server to see

[lilac vale]

so whats a YAML formatter

[lilac vale]

oof

[median blade]

my dear 747

[sinful sun]

Its a formatter for yaml?

[keen burrow]

What's so curs- oh. oh..

[odd sphinx]

lol

[slender echo]

hey

[shy skiff]

i forgor 💀

[odd sphinx]

lol

[lilac vale]

whats yaml?

[slate leaf]

It Ain't a Markup Language

[lilac vale]

yeh

[slate leaf]

(Literally YAML Ain't Markup Language)

[lilac vale]

oh

what is it supposed to be

not "what is it not supposed to be" lol

oh

ok i get it

so what is YAML used for

[sinful sun]

its a markup lang usually used for config purposes

githut actions uses yml, pre-commit uses yaml, docker-compose uses yaml, etc

[lilac vale]

thought it wasnt a markup language

[round moss]

it doesn't really do markup of a document, yeah

it's more of a data serialisation format designed to be human writable

[sinful sun]

yaml stands for yet another markup language

[round moss]

it's not a great name

since it doesn't really do document markup

[lilac vale]

hmmmm

[round moss]

but well, the name isn't important

[lilac vale]

how do i make a pull request

[round moss]

on github?

[lilac vale]

yeh

[round moss]

to your own repo, or to a different one?

[lilac vale]

i think ill just make it and see what needs to be fixed after i screw up

[lilac vale]

a diff one

ill tell you which one

here specifically https://github.com/python-discord/branding/tree/main/events

[round moss]

oh wait, we totally have a guide somewhere for this

[lilac vale]

we do

ive read it

https://github.com/python-discord/branding/tree/main/events#events

but

making a pr is the issue

well i sent the wrong link

edited it

huh

i thought it would be ez but im here just talking to myself lol

[round moss]

oh wow, I can see why we want to redo the contrib guides we have

they suck

you should see two buttons at the top

[lilac vale]

i do

[round moss]

on what branch did you put your changes?

[lilac vale]

main ig

[round moss]

did you push the changes to the repo?

[lilac vale]

i didnt make any changes tho

not yet

how do i do that?

[round moss]

do you have a fork?

[lilac vale]

no, do i need to fork it?

[round moss]

yes, but it is fixable, don't worry

make the fork

[lilac vale]

okay

i need to add an event to the existing list so i fork this isnt it https://github.com/python-discord/branding/tree/main/events

[round moss]

ye, fork the entire branding repo

[lilac vale]

the whole thing?

woah

[round moss]

yeah, that's how git works

[lilac vale]

hmmmm

forked it

now?

im assuming i make the changes...?

[round moss]

do you have a cloned repository?

[lilac vale]

yeah the forked repo from pydis

[round moss]

alright, nice

I suggest you put your changes on a separate branch

so make one using git branch some-fitting-name

[lilac vale]

hmmm

[lilac vale]

is this a command?

[round moss]

yes

[lilac vale]

where do i use it? im sorry this is my first time doing this

[round moss]

do you know how to open a terminal?

[lilac vale]

wait so cmd prompt?

[round moss]

ye, that one

[lilac vale]

its not connected to my github account im sure

[round moss]

that's fine for now, leading you through ssh keys would be a pain. Do you remember your gh passwords, you can just use that

and do you know how to navigate to the directory where you cloned your fork

[lilac vale]

i do

i cloned it on github

i thought thats what i was supposed to do 😦

[round moss]

how did you clone it on github?

You probably didn't do anything wrong, git just has really bad names for things

[lilac vale]

i "forked" it

do i download it?

how do i clone it 😭

[round moss]

alright, good

open the command prompt

then pick a directory where you want to do your work

[lilac vale]

i didnt yet "clone' it

how do i do that?

[round moss]

getting to that

did you install git?

[lilac vale]

i need to install git?

[round moss]

actually, lets do this the easier way

[sinful sun]

Git for windows, yes

[round moss]

https://desktop.github.com/ download this

[lilac vale]

oh ye

[round moss]

it will save a bunch of steps

and has a UI

[odd sphinx]

true

[lilac vale]

thats gonna be rly helpful for me

i was actually gonna download that today but i couldnt

what do these mean?

i clicked continue

now what?

[round moss]

yeah, that's fine

[lilac vale]

hmmmm

[round moss]

so, you have a fork downloaded locally with your changes on it?

or did you just install gh desktop

[lilac vale]

i have cloned it

locally to my system

[round moss]

that's good

[lilac vale]

and i have a fork on my profile

[round moss]

next up, create a new branch

there should a button which looks like so.

[odd sphinx]

a branch is basically a timeline of code changes

[lilac vale]

hmm

what should i name it?

[round moss]

what is the event you are changing

[odd sphinx]

well usually you'd name it the feature ur adding

or something similar

[lilac vale]

alrighty

[round moss]

or just name it your-name-feature

[odd sphinx]

ye

[lilac vale]

okay

can i rename the branch?

[round moss]

not really, you would create a branch from the old name and delete the old branch, keeping only the new branch created from the late previous one

[lilac vale]

i see

[round moss]

oh wait, it seems like git branch -m does that

nvm, so don't worry too much about it

[lilac vale]

alright, what now?

[round moss]

now you make your changes

[lilac vale]

i will not be publishing anything or making any commits today

ill do it tomorrow tho

so am i done for today?

[round moss]

ye

[lilac vale]

okay one thing, i have this what am i supposed to do in order to access the files to make changes?

[round moss]

show in explorer will show the the folder of the repo

[lilac vale]

oh

i add the files locally?

[round moss]

ye, now you can just make changes as you would normally

then you just make those changes into a commit and push it into your fork on github. Afterwards, I believe you should be able to click a button to create a PR, but it won't show up until you make those changes

[lilac vale]

i see

thank you very much for the help

[hollow heart]

i'm gonna miss pink pydis logo

[jade walrus]

It shall be forever immortalized on the branding github repo https://github.com/python-discord/branding/blob/main/jams/summer_code_jam_2021/logo.png

[hollow heart]

[rocky kestrel]

b

[elder path]

b

[rocky kestrel]

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/

debian installation guide

pretty useful

[severe trout]

why debian?

[rocky kestrel]

what do you think is best?

[severe trout]

honestly... i'd take windows over it lol

[rocky kestrel]

ew

[severe trout]

the software repos aren't updated , you have to install snaps i think etc

[elder path]

just gimme one sec. ima set up the vm

[elder path]

bruhhh 🤢

[rocky kestrel]

the software is updated and ew snaps

[severe trout]

software is updated in debian?

wdym

[severe trout]

*or flatpak

[rocky kestrel]

software updates happen?

[severe trout]

apt randomly pulls out snaps too which weird

[severe trout]

the repositories don't have the updated versions at all. I think debian was/is stuck on an 8 year old lua version, not-so-latest blender version etc

[elder path]

alr

vm is up

[severe trout]

it's updates aren't exactly "updates" imo

[elder path]

there is graphical install and install

idc eitherway

[rocky kestrel]

they are both the same installer

[elder path]

eh ima use gui

alr I did all the basic settings

like english and stufff

[rocky kestrel]

yeah it's pretty simple

do you value having the latest and greatest programs and whatnot?

[elder path]

no

[rocky kestrel]

because cpython does have a point that they can be a few versions behind

in official repos

[elder path]

hol up one sec

[rocky kestrel]

you cna leave it blank

[elder path]

can I just skip that

[severe trout]

hold up... even python is behind?

[elder path]

ok

[lilac vale]

i cloned a repo

now if i locally make changes in that repo

[odd sphinx]

yes

[lilac vale]

will it publish or commit it or something on github

[elder path]

alr got eastern time working

[odd sphinx]

no u have to commit and push the changes

[lilac vale]

how do i do that?

[odd sphinx]

and then it will reflect on ur fork in github

[rocky kestrel]

no it looks like python is up to date

[elder path]

how would this work if im in a vm?

[lilac vale]

oh

[odd sphinx]

then if u want to merge ur chagnes to the original repo

[rocky kestrel]

just the usual settings

[odd sphinx]

u have to make a pull request

[elder path]

ok

[lilac vale]

oh

so i can pull request when i want to

[elder path]

stuff runnin

btw whats smaller then debian 🤔

[rocky kestrel]

gentoo, lfs, damn small linux

[elder path]

oh right forgot about gentoo lol

[rocky kestrel]

debian is pretty damn lightweight though

[elder path]

yeh a 300 meg iso 💀

[rocky kestrel]

oh you think that's small?

[severe trout]

yeah.... that was stretching it even for debian lol

[elder path]

how can u even get smaller then 300 meg iso

[rocky kestrel]

they have a 50 meg iso on their website

[elder path]

💀

windows 95 iso is 450 megs

[severe trout]

LFS

[elder path]

how can a modern day iso be smaller then a iso from like 20 years ago 🤦

[rocky kestrel]

windows 95 is bloated lmao

[odd sphinx]

bro u really comparing windows 95 to a modern day os?

[rocky kestrel]

https://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso

[elder path]

yeh

[rocky kestrel]

there's your 50 meg installer

it's actually 48 megs

[elder path]

breh

windows 95 is 400 megs... let that sink in

[odd sphinx]

does the 48 mb installer use the internet

[rocky kestrel]

yep

[odd sphinx]

does the window 95 installer use the internet

[median blade]

[rocky kestrel]

yep

[elder path]

duh

[odd sphinx]

wtf

internet was there that tiem!?

lol

wait of course

fuck

[rocky kestrel]

bruh

[odd sphinx]

lol

[severe trout]

if it uses the internet, it doesn't even need a DE or anything

[elder path]

However, to connect to the Internet on a Windows 95 VM in VBox, the TCP/IP protocol must be installed

[rocky kestrel]

what does that even mean

[elder path]

wait thats not what I meant to send lmao

[odd sphinx]

hm

[severe trout]

it just downloads them on installing the actual os

[rocky kestrel]

you don't need a de anyways

internet or not

[severe trout]

even wm

[rocky kestrel]

yeah

you don't need that either

[elder path]

imagine using a DE 💀 /j

[rocky kestrel]

i run emacs as my os

[severe trout]

i mean... sure
i don't think someone who actually wants to use the OS will not want any of those tbh

[severe trout]

oh

[rocky kestrel]

/s

[severe trout]

lol

[elder path]

I mean...

[rocky kestrel]

seriously i think you guys thought I was serious this whole time

[severe trout]

i have actually met ppl who do that

so yeah

[rocky kestrel]

emacs is kind of crazy though

comes with window manager, file browser, email client, web browser, calculator, version management

not to mention it's an IDE

[severe trout]

lol

[elder path]

🤢 my friend said he wanted ubuntu (He is new to linux)

[rocky kestrel]

to be fair nothing wrong with ubuntu

it's better than windows

[odd sphinx]

ok then let him hgeet ubunut

[severe trout]

honestly tho... windows is better than ubuntu

[elder path]

very very true

[severe trout]

by a lot

[elder path]

no

[odd sphinx]

i havent used ubunutu as a full os

only in wsl

[severe trout]

try it

[median blade]

hgeet

[odd sphinx]

ok

[severe trout]

you will regret it soon

[odd sphinx]

damn

[rocky kestrel]

wdym i've used ubuntu before

[severe trout]

i have used it and it was a mess tbh

i'd rather take windows over it (although no brtfs )

[elder path]

my friend literally went into a live usb and started getting hyped. He been using windows 10 since 2016

[rocky kestrel]

mess how?

[severe trout]

well... good for them ig

[rocky kestrel]

I mean most concerns about ubuntu are snap

[elder path]

never seen sombody get hyped over an os 🤣

[severe trout]

yeah

software support in general

[rocky kestrel]

but snap is still miles ahead of windows package management

[severe trout]

huh?

[rocky kestrel]

given that there's none

[elder path]

wait nvm the windows 11 fanboys cringe

[odd sphinx]

tf

[severe trout]

oops, scoop i mean

scoop is p nice

[rocky kestrel]

gordon doesn't need to hear all this

he's a highly trained professional

[severe trout]

atleast the softwares are updated which is more than ubuntu without resorting to snaps

[elder path]

💯

I love snap

[severe trout]

lmao

[odd sphinx]

winget !?

[severe trout]

yeah there's winget and scoop

[elder path]

🤢 🤮 🤢

[severe trout]

lol

[elder path]

apt works fine too

[rocky kestrel]

lmao winget isn't even a package manager

[odd sphinx]

and choco

[rocky kestrel]

it just runs MSI files

[severe trout]

choco is weird

[elder path]

ikr lmao

MSI 😳

[odd sphinx]

well yes thats how thigns are installed here in windowsland

[rocky kestrel]

now choco is what i'd call a mess

[elder path]

half done the deb install

[severe trout]

it installs softwares (and updated ones at that)

[elder path]

would be done if I had done a fixed disk

[severe trout]

scoop is still the best "package manager" for windows but winget is catching up lol

[rocky kestrel]

yeah ofc they are updated it just downloads them from their websites lmao

[severe trout]

yeah

[clever salmon]

Hey @elder path!

It looks like you tried to attach a Python file - please use a code-pasting service such as https://paste.pythondiscord.com

[elder path]

bruh

[odd sphinx]

yes what else does an installer do

[severe trout]

idk...

[median blade]

bruh

[elder path]

bruh

[severe trout]

it's meant for installing, updating, uninstalling softwares?

[elder path]

it is a murderer

it kills my damn brain cells 🧠

[odd sphinx]

what

[severe trout]

an installer kills your brain cells?

sus

[elder path]

yeh

[odd sphinx]

damn

[severe trout]

i wonder how you manage to handle linux lol

[elder path]

like I ever had any 😢

[elder path]

cuz im build like that 🦾

[severe trout]

#ot1-this-regex-is-impossible message

(on any distro besides arch based ones ig)

or maybe opensuse? idk

[elder path]

SUSE

😳

[odd sphinx]

lol

[elder path]

what time is it for yall?

[median blade]

windows 11 time

[elder path]

oh hell naw

debian time

[severe trout]

it uses a webview for it's UI lmao

web dev is literally taking over

[median blade]

interesting

[elder path]

doesent matter of you like windows or not we can all agree windows 11 sucks

[odd sphinx]

lol

[severe trout]

it's not fully released yet... but for now yeah

[rocky kestrel]

lmao emacs has discord integration

[elder path]

emac moment

[wide totem]

i have a pending w11 update

[elder path]

@wide totem

[rocky kestrel]

i think this guy uses vscode

can't put my finger on why though

[wide totem]

wanna bet?

[elder path]

idk man

[wide totem]

idk myself tbh

[elder path]

bro

[wide totem]

ikr

its missing one in the upper right

pretty bad

[elder path]

bro...

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[rocky kestrel]

no it's the fact that your profile is vscode

[rocky kestrel]

lmao

[elder path]

💀

[dusky cliff]

@median blade

[severe trout]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/249111029668249601/860253210539589632/229bf5a2f85ebcb30c11e2955ec727fcbbe8c3a8.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/249111029668249601/860253324413501491/unknown-19.png

[elder path]

ur not funny

[median blade]

yes?

[dusky cliff]

ok

[tranquil ridge]

ok

[median blade]

lol

[rocky kestrel]

check out my status

[median blade]

do you want me to defend windows 11?

[severe trout]

no

[dusky cliff]

yes

[elder path]

why would u??????

[severe trout]

perhaps

[median blade]

ok then

windows 11 has better bluetooth support than w10

[tranquil ridge]

yes

[median blade]

has voice typing

[elder path]

u need to use windows defender 💀

[median blade]

which is awesome

[severe trout]

i never use bluetooth...

[elder path]

(which sucks)

[tranquil ridge]

neither do i

[median blade]

not my problem

[odd sphinx]

voice typing is based

[severe trout]

lol

[tranquil ridge]

white teeth guys amirite

[odd sphinx]

brij

[tranquil ridge]

imagine having blue tooth

[median blade]

the entire UI + animations are more slick and neat

[odd sphinx]

lol

[elder path]

💀

[odd sphinx]

settings app

oops wrong emote

[median blade]

wow i was so confused lmao

[odd sphinx]

lol

[elder path]

just get a good linux DE 🤦

[odd sphinx]

no

[rocky kestrel]

I think windows 11 is entertaining at best

it's funny to see windows users talk about it

[severe trout]

yeah, it uses edge web views for everything

[elder path]

fax

[rocky kestrel]

ofc I would never actually use it

[elder path]

were on a higher plane of existence :buda:

[rocky kestrel]

I've got windows 10 installed in a vm just for a few games

[odd sphinx]

debatable

[rocky kestrel]

like rainbow

[median blade]

r6s does not run on linux?

[elder path]

I dual boot windows 7

[severe trout]

windows 7?

[elder path]

I think it does but kinda hard