#ot2-the-original-pubsta | Python | Page 69

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 4:28 PM

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sadguy I will miss the old one

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:28 PM

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The leaked dev iso was really snappy on a VM I ran solely on an HDD, with 8GB of RAM and 4 cores

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https://i.imgur.com/hNR4TnL.png Desert, appropriately named as it dries your eyes out

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and night sky which appears to be related to the syntax themes by the same name https://i.imgur.com/kRkpxN6.png

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Dusk is my favorite, and I genuinely might use it day to day

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I just like how it looks.

daring jay Jun 29, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Oh, nice. Hopefully I can run it on my 4gb ram ssd computer well enough, assuming the computer lives till then

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:30 PM

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uhhh maybe not actually

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not yet, at least

cedar leaf Jun 29, 2021, 4:30 PM

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daring jay Oh, nice. Hopefully I can run it on my 4gb ram ssd computer well enough, assumin...

Do you have TPM2 chip?

daring jay Jun 29, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Yup

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:30 PM

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(Keep in mind this is a DEVELOPER PREVIEW INSIDER ALPHA, NOT EVEN A BETA YET)

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https://i.imgur.com/BjRr9zf.png

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it has a bit of an issue with file explorer, at the moment

daring jay Jun 29, 2021, 4:31 PM

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daring jay Yup

I was genuinely surprised when I found out yes

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:31 PM

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cedar leaf Do you have TPM2 chip?

it is likely that this will not be a hard requirement in the future.

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Microsoft apparently somewhere stated they will work on bringing 11 to "Compatible non-tpm2 systems in the future"

cedar leaf Jun 29, 2021, 4:32 PM

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I wouldn't read much into that statement

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:32 PM

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yooooo

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https://i.imgur.com/J7YDjks.png

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you can edit the colors directly.

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custom computer theme to match my editor's syntax theme

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let's GO

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https://i.imgur.com/edwwnzo.png

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you can use hex codes in the color picker now

shrewd lance Jun 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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The big question is

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Did they finally change the control panel?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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No.

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But! Even more things are in the settings menu now

shrewd lance Jun 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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The only stable thing in my life

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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so they're slowly eliminating it

shrewd lance Jun 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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That's nice

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:40 PM

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it's mostly sysadmin stuff in the control panel now

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like advanced network adapter settings, etc

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stuff that isn't neccessarily "user-facing" for the average user

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just look how small it is now, compared to vista/7

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and even some of those aren't control-panel only

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 4:41 PM

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@steel eagle is it stable

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:42 PM

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sudden swallow <@!674438327927308358> is it stable

no

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This is a developer alpha

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it has its issues

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https://i.imgur.com/2K5BBTt.png @shrewd lance

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I crossed out everything that you access through the normal settings menu

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have fun

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I'm enjoying it so far, despite the issues

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I just removed the taskbar from my second monitor until it's fixed

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join the windows insider program

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on the dev channel

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 4:45 PM

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steel eagle This is a developer alpha

what bout the beta option

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:45 PM

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if you're prepared to deal with potential system breakage and issues

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Beta isn't available yet for 11.

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it's not ready for casual everyday users yet

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See: Taskbar doesn't work with multiple monitors at the moment

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and the high contrast themes kinda, break things

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are you joking

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or that dense

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 4:47 PM

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which is more stable beta channel or release preview channel

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:47 PM

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release preview

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 4:48 PM

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wut does that mean

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Dev is Alpha
Beta is...Beta
Release Preview AKA Release Candidate is final stage testing before being released to general public

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just like python builds :)

cedar leaf Jun 29, 2021, 4:48 PM

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does Windows 11 have RC?

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 4:48 PM

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thanks a lot

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:49 PM

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cedar leaf does Windows 11 have RC?

not yet, it's only in alpha at the moment.. as I've just said twice in the past 5 minutes

cedar leaf Jun 29, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Cool

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 4:49 PM

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wut is rc

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Release Candidate.

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I'm gonna have and and you're ism

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:50 PM

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ooh

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imma scroll up

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damn

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@thorn dragon how is it

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:56 PM

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I did have an issue when I rebooted where my main monitor didn't turn on, yet was detected

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:56 PM

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any performance changes ?

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i mean

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this is the first preview build isnt it

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:57 PM

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But I think that's more of an issue with my monitor, it's an MSI Optix high refresh rate IPS

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it takes a WHILE to turn on, regardless of what it's plugged into

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:57 PM

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get windows insider

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:57 PM

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odd sphinx any performance changes ?

everything is really snappy compared to 10 on my system.

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enable windows insider in the dev channel, in your windows 10 settings menu

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:57 PM

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steel eagle everything is really snappy compared to 10 on my system.

good to hear

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:57 PM

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then run through windows update

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:57 PM

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u didnt do this on ur main machine right?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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LOL you wish

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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bruh

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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what if it breaks

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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so u have all ur data?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Anything important is backed up already

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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the "upgrade" process was smooth?

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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steel eagle Anything important is backed up already

i see

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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It was very smooth, yeah

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 4:58 PM

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interesting

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show more options will take u to the old context menu

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maybe it refreshes better now

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well

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was refresh useful?

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lol

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i love this one

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i dont like the new file explorer headers tho

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wsl acces?

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wait

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all ur files are on it?

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i thought it would get corrupted or some shit

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lmao

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:02 PM

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oh wow, you no longer have to do that horrible $wsl thing

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:02 PM

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bruh epic

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:02 PM

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round moss oh wow, you no longer have to do that horrible $wsl thing

ikr

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very nice

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:03 PM

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\\wsl$\Arch\rootIG it is not too terrible

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:03 PM

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no, for the third time, READ, you MUST use the DEV CHANNEL there is NO BETA AVAILABLE!

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Do you want a smaller taskbar?

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that is correct. Do that and then go through windows update as normal. I will answer no farther questions

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though I don't genuinely recommend you do this

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:04 PM

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I am going to wait for w11 to be stable before trying it out

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:04 PM

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as you don't appear to have the knowledge/depth required to run an alpha build of windows.

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:04 PM

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don't want to deal with backups and bleeding edge

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got enough of that when running arch

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:05 PM

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round moss I am going to wait for w11 to be stable before trying it out

yea same

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:05 PM

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I just couldn't wait lol

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I've always been an early adopter

somber belfry Jun 29, 2021, 5:05 PM

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did they consolidate settings and control panel?

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:05 PM

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i am resisting the urge

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:05 PM

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somber belfry did they consolidate settings and control panel?

moreso than 10, yes.

somber belfry Jun 29, 2021, 5:05 PM

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alright

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:05 PM

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nice

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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somber belfry alright

https://i.imgur.com/2K5BBTt.png this is what I posted earlier

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odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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lol what did u expet

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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I think they want to keep some control panel for enterprise users

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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everything crossed in red is accessed through the new settings menu

somber belfry Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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oh

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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you could already do that though

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now it's just not horrible

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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you might want to scroll up, I posted a lot of screenshots and stuff @somber belfry

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 5:06 PM

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wait_what y tho

somber belfry Jun 29, 2021, 5:07 PM

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I was scrolling up and i got pinged lol

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:07 PM

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this is where I started.

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 5:07 PM

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round moss you could already do that though

light mode user caught red handed troll

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:07 PM

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l i g h t m o d e p s y c h o p a t h

steady thistle Jun 29, 2021, 5:07 PM

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.

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Hello, where is the chat room?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:08 PM

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wat

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 5:08 PM

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steady thistle Hello, where is the chat room?

#python-discussion

timber mango Jun 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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steady thistle Hello, where is the chat room?

wrong address, take a left at #python-discussion

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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sudden swallow light mode user caught red handed <:troll:838702601242935296>

I prefer light mode for everything but programming

steady thistle Jun 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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sudden swallow <#267624335836053506>

Thank

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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and honestly, even for code I am kind of debating it

timber mango Jun 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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pydis_peek

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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lol it causes headache for me

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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sepia is quite nice, yeah

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or light grey

timber mango Jun 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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round moss or light grey

its like dark-light mode

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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dork mode

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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if discord had a less terrible font, I would be using light mode

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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:(

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what does that have to do with poggers?

timber mango Jun 29, 2021, 5:11 PM

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sudden swallow light mode user caught red handed <:troll:838702601242935296>

discrimination in its purest form

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:11 PM

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I wasn't aware there was a crossover of pogs players and scheme programmers big enough to warrant mention

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what do you mean?

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 5:12 PM

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timber mango discrimination in its purest form

dude just a joke I hope @round moss was not offended or were u?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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it's not available in beta channel

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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windows 11 doesn't have a beta yet, right?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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as I told you four times

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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yeah

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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This kid's just a troll

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Just ignore him, he's definitely not serious.

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it does not

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I told you this, FOUR TIMES

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but you don't listen to me.

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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steel eagle This kid's just a troll

were u talking to me?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:13 PM

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No. DataData.

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Either a troll or...just insanely dense.

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well, at least you know, I guess.

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I really recommend you don't

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:14 PM

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bruh awoo said dev so many times

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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You are not going to be able to deal with issues you get on the system

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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I would strongly suggest not using bleeding edge windows versions

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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You're going to come up with a problem

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and then you're going to come here

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and ask us how to fix it

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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ikr

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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and we're ging to tell you there's no way to fix it

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and you're going to keep asking how to fix it

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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the main reason windows is so stable is because of all the testing that goes into the updates

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:15 PM

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and we're going to keep telling you you just have to wait for an update, but you won't listen

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and you're going to lose important files

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your system will crash

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and you'll get upset

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:16 PM

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remember when a windows stable update broke numpy for like 10 months

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:16 PM

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if I were you I'd just stay on beta

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and wait for a beta

dusky cliff Jun 29, 2021, 5:16 PM

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round moss remember when a windows stable update broke numpy for like 10 months

i doo

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:16 PM

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you've proven that you're not capable of running dev already

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:17 PM

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tbh, windows pushing everyone to dev with windows 11 may turn out to be a mistake

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:17 PM

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well, they're not PUSHING anyone.

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:17 PM

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"hey we have this cool new thing you can try right now if you do this thing whose consequences we don't really explain"

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:17 PM

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the process of getting 11 dev channel enabled on my system was less than easy

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 5:18 PM

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round moss "hey we have this cool new thing you can try *right now* if you do this thing wh...

I think the warning message is good enough. It warns that it may be unstable and break.

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If that doesn't deter you, you deserve whatever cricumstance prevails

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:18 PM

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hopefully

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and at least with the new forced onedrive integration most of your files are backed up in the cloud

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for 30 days, and it won't stop file corruption

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you can avoid it

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but the default is everything on onedrive

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so I call it forced

sudden swallow Jun 29, 2021, 5:19 PM

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round moss "hey we have this cool new thing you can try *right now* if you do this thing wh...

pepeboom

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 5:21 PM

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I really hope wslg ends up good

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I would love to just have emacs on wsl work with no issues

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I should learn proper emacs someday

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but with how prone I am to wrist pain, it is not a great idea

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I just use evil-mode

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but it is by no means amazing for scheme

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 6:19 PM

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final W11 screenshot now that I got it all ironed out

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https://i.imgur.com/gvxAuws.png

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odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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nice

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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The polish is just so much better than 10.

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I loved 10, I really did.

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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agreed

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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But this is just...another level.

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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are the animations nicer?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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This rivals my Tumbleweed install.

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The animations rival KDE Plasma.

odd sphinx Jun 29, 2021, 6:29 PM

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damn

sinful sun Jun 29, 2021, 7:41 PM

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really just looks like a customized win10

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whats the hype for

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 7:46 PM

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looks prettier, better multiple windows on one screen support, wslg, extra security (supposedly), seems like you also get more customisation.

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I am mostly interested in wslg

sinful sun Jun 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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what exactly is wslg gonna be like

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is it gonna act like a vm

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 7:47 PM

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if it ends up as promised, it should allow running linux gui apps in the exact same way you run native gui apps

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you can pin them to the taskbar, have them in a start menu, etc.

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now, it is still in preview, so it may turn out to be kinda shit

sinful sun Jun 29, 2021, 7:49 PM

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huh

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i thought it'd be like the virtualbox experience lol

round moss Jun 29, 2021, 7:51 PM

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I think the idea is just to sort of reduce the usecases of desktop linux. For the vast majority of tasks, both OSes will work well, and if getting the "linux only" stuff on windows yields fewer seams than getting the "windows only" stuff on linux, it would be a good merit for not switching to *buntu.

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 8:01 PM

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sinful sun really just looks like a customized win10

I mean, really it is. Microsoft have even said that directly.

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Direct storage is nice, it's also just in general optimized better

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it's snappier and faster, and I just did an in place upgrade

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Windows 11 has all the power and security of Windows 10 with a redesigned and refreshed look. It also comes with new tools, sounds, and apps. Every detail has been considered. All of it comes together to bring you a refreshing experience on your PC.

Microsoft

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If your accessories worked with Windows 10 and meet the Windows 11 requirements, they should work with Windows 11.

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Most Windows 10 PCs currently being sold will be able to upgrade to Windows 11

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and it is a free upgrade

wheat aurora Jun 29, 2021, 8:03 PM

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But does Power Toys support win11, that's the real question

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 8:03 PM

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wheat aurora But does Power Toys support win11, that's the real question

https://i.imgur.com/YDY0FDR.png

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not sure why shitcord isn't embedding it

wheat aurora Jun 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Because at this point the color picker is a must-have

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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if a program supports 10, it should support 11. no reason not

wheat aurora Jun 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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ooooh, sweet

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 8:04 PM

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the only potential reason if it the developer has a test of "if windows.version == 10"

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https://i.imgur.com/krEVF9p.png

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color picker does work.

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Ignore the weird bit at the top, that's my game recording software

vale spire Jun 29, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Anyone interested for a round of chess with me?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 8:13 PM

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what's your rating

vale spire Jun 29, 2021, 8:14 PM

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I do not have an account there

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To lazy to make one

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 8:18 PM

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what do you mean, account where?

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I'm asking what your rating is in general lol

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like, never made a chess.com or lichess rating? I'm assuming you don't have a FIDE/OTB then

vale spire Jun 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Nope

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I played and I have a chess player passport I think

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But it is 5 years old I think

wide totem Jun 29, 2021, 8:36 PM

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aha

jovial island Jun 29, 2021, 9:23 PM

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steel eagle https://i.imgur.com/gvxAuws.png

this the new insider build?

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i'd like to give it a try but i'm not on the program

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 9:38 PM

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it's easy to join, but I wouldn't recommend it if you're not deeply familiar with windows, the registry, and the like

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I spent a good hour or two doing registry tweaks to fix little problems

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@jovial island^^

jovial island Jun 29, 2021, 9:40 PM

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CH_PepeThinking

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It is a dev build after all, do you mind sharing some of the bugs you've encountered?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 9:42 PM

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the only real bug is that multi-monitor taskbars don't work

jovial island Jun 29, 2021, 9:43 PM

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hm i have no use for that feature.

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I'll give it a go on a separate hard drive

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Oh wait, you can't download the raw iso for it can you?

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 9:43 PM

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nope

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you could install 10 first

jovial island Jun 29, 2021, 9:44 PM

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yeah I'm gonna try that

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 9:44 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/B3DdYeB.jpeg

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gaming runs fine

jovial island Jun 29, 2021, 9:44 PM

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shit i also can't use secure boot

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gonna have to find a workaround

steel eagle Jun 29, 2021, 9:45 PM

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why can't you use secure boot? lol

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screw up a linux install?

jovial island Jun 29, 2021, 9:45 PM

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Yeah i was lazy to set it up

hazy laurel Jun 29, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Why would one Arch WSL D:

jovial island Jun 29, 2021, 9:48 PM

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seconded. Why?

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So let's see

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Change hard drive, erase files

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Convert to gpt, install w10

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Join insider program, update to 11 preview

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Do whatever tweaks necessary, proceed to open suse install

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Great, something to do in this otherwise boring day

hazy laurel Jun 29, 2021, 9:52 PM

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jeez

proper python Jun 29, 2021, 10:48 PM

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i swear building softbody sims with rigidbodies is gonna kill me X_X

wild compass Jun 29, 2021, 11:08 PM

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@covert mango img here since none in general

covert mango Jun 29, 2021, 11:09 PM

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wild compass <@!654472954683588644> img here since none in general

LOL, I was wondering if there was a line of code

wild compass Jun 29, 2021, 11:09 PM

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yeah, sry lol

proper python Jun 30, 2021, 12:27 AM

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yo it works

hazy laurel Jun 30, 2021, 12:35 AM

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wot am I looking at

proper python Jun 30, 2021, 12:38 AM

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softbody sim

quiet depot Jun 30, 2021, 1:29 AM

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the girl who lives here is very pretty

proper python Jun 30, 2021, 1:43 AM

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who lives in linda?

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 2:19 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/old-man-linda-delete-my-computer-vanished-gif-4679689

Tenor

old man

▶ Play video

sudden swallow Jun 30, 2021, 3:23 AM

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proper python who lives in linda?

I do vibincat

jovial island Jun 30, 2021, 7:53 AM

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tranquil ridge https://tenor.com/view/old-man-linda-delete-my-computer-vanished-gif-4679689

🤯

hazy laurel Jun 30, 2021, 7:54 AM

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listen linda

proper python Jun 30, 2021, 8:18 AM

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sudden swallow I do <a:vibincat:852913928744337488>

uh, bro???

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 8:32 AM

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sudden swallow I do <a:vibincat:852913928744337488>

bnrug

sudden swallow Jun 30, 2021, 8:45 AM

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odd sphinx bnrug

Wdym by dat

tawdry salmon Jun 30, 2021, 8:45 AM

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linda

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 8:45 AM

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bruh*

hazy laurel Jun 30, 2021, 9:19 AM

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linda not india

quiet depot Jun 30, 2021, 9:20 AM

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cynthia, not lidya

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 9:21 AM

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wthbro

quiet depot Jun 30, 2021, 9:21 AM

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no correlation at all

whole condor Jun 30, 2021, 10:30 AM

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hazy laurel linda not india

thanks for clearing that 😅

low fulcrum Jun 30, 2021, 1:01 PM

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what is a good modern alternative to c++? i've seen about D, Go and Rust. what are your thoughts

daring jay Jun 30, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Rust is great

low fulcrum Jun 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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ooh why

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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D is used by like no one
(exageratting, but it's not a popular language)

low fulcrum Jun 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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yeah, nvr heard of it till tooday

round moss Jun 30, 2021, 1:02 PM

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Rust is your best bet probably

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or just C++, it isn't all that bad

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Rust is pretty amazing

round moss Jun 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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yeah, no data races is quite nice

low fulcrum Jun 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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it can do all c++ can do?

round moss Jun 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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though pony is better for that IMO

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Go, I think, is somewhat different from both - it is focused on concurrency using goroutines, AFAIK?

round moss Jun 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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yes, rust can do everything cpp can

low fulcrum Jun 30, 2021, 1:03 PM

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cool, sounds like a good bet

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 1:04 PM

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low fulcrum it can do all c++ can do?

well, yes, unless you mean library support, which Rust is going to have a lot less for probably like another decade

round moss Jun 30, 2021, 1:04 PM

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though for some things you have to dip into unsafe

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such as doubly linked lists

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 1:05 PM

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I do think Rust is also just nicer to program in than C++ in most cases. It happens that you need to use unsafe code sometimes, but it's not often, and most of the time the borrow checker does the opposite - protects you from making dumb mistakes

round moss Jun 30, 2021, 1:05 PM

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yeah, my main annoyance with rust is that it is often too forgiving, so the only way to truly know if your design works is to just write it out in full and see if it yells at you

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also, compiles slowly

low fulcrum Jun 30, 2021, 1:05 PM

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should i learn rust straight away or learn c first?

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do i need that kind of foundation like people recommend if i want to learn cpp

round moss Jun 30, 2021, 1:06 PM

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you can learn rust first, but some of its features may feel useless if you didn't experience life without them

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also, you should not learn C before cpp

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cpp is at this point very different and you can have a much nicer time programming without putting up with C

low fulcrum Jun 30, 2021, 1:07 PM

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oh i see

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aight thanks for the advice

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 1:18 PM

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yes

dusky cliff Jun 30, 2021, 1:42 PM

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not me either

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 2:23 PM

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not me either

quiet depot Jun 30, 2021, 2:59 PM

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me, but I think it's again the rules

timber mango Jun 30, 2021, 5:54 PM

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round moss Rust is your best bet probably

Python:i also have numpy 😭

dusky cliff Jun 30, 2021, 6:03 PM

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i'm just starting to get somewhat used to numpy and god it's hot

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:18 PM

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dusky cliff i'm just starting to get somewhat used to numpy and god it's _hot_

interesting

dusky cliff Jun 30, 2021, 6:24 PM

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damn

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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aaaaah

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I realised I introduced a heisenbug into my own code

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guess what I did? I have a macro that does nothing if a constant is set.

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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sounds like a city name if it were heisenburg

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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echo fern I realised I introduced a heisenbug into my own code

bug?

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theres a heisenbug?

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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tranquil ridge sounds like a city name if it were `heisenburg`

actually i feel like i have heard this before

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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uncertain if its a bug?

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ROFL

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug

Heisenbug

In computer programming jargon, a heisenbug is a software bug that seems to disappear or alter its behavior when one attempts to study it. The term is a pun on the name of Werner Heisenberg, the physicist who first asserted the observer effect of quantum mechanics, which states that the act of observing a system inevitably alters its state. In e...

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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oh

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lmao

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:40 PM

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That is, it had:

if SOME_DEBUG_CONSTANT{
    return;
}

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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echo fern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug

AHA that guy

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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the macros-savvy of you already know what happened

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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william heisenberg

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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that return isn't from the macro's scope. It's from the function.

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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lol

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how do u return from a macro

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$return

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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When I disabled debugging (and only then!) a function of mine was returning without doing anything...

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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wait why would u return from a macro

odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:41 PM

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echo fern When I disabled debugging (and only then!) a function of mine was returning with...

lol

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:43 PM

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and now my AI works!

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again! better than ever, hopefully!

tranquil ridge Jun 30, 2021, 6:44 PM

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odd sphinx Jun 30, 2021, 6:44 PM

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epic

echo fern Jun 30, 2021, 6:45 PM

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https://www.codingame.com/replay/567312473
here's it beating its previous version

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(it better beat it all the time, because that's exactly how it simulates its opponent - as a lesser version of itself)

vale spire Jun 30, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Chess game anyone?

steel eagle Jun 30, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Y'know there are chess servers

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Like chess academy

vale spire Jun 30, 2021, 9:40 PM

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They are maybe to good for me

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 1:16 AM

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there's everyone from first day players to long time veterans there

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plus it gives you a reason to set up an account and get a rating

undone root Jul 1, 2021, 4:12 AM

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lichess best chess

hoary basalt Jul 1, 2021, 4:40 AM

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vat?

rotund nova Jul 1, 2021, 4:44 AM

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hi

rotund nova Jul 1, 2021, 4:45 AM

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undone root lichess best chess

yup

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u rite

rotund nova Jul 1, 2021, 4:46 AM

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undone root lichess best chess

come here and accept the invite of lichess https://bit.ly/3cRcweQ

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:11 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/x1eBXT2.png

Imgur

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:13 AM

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woah whats this

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:13 AM

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title bar is visible :p

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:13 AM

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is that an ascii world map

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:13 AM

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yes, yes it is

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:13 AM

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oh dwarf fortress

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:14 AM

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forever world gen

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:14 AM

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seems like i have searched what it is before and i still dont know

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:16 AM

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it is a fortress management/simulation

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As far as I'm aware, it holds the crown for most complex game ever made.

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stupid levels of detail

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:17 AM

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o

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:17 AM

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but it's hard to play, it's like the vim of games

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everything is hidden behind 4 arbitrary keys

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some make sense, many don't

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but the people who know how to play it will argue that it's just fine and totally all makes sense

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literally. the. vim. of. games.

median blade Jul 1, 2021, 5:18 AM

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steel eagle As far as I'm aware, it holds the crown for most complex game ever made.

hmm

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enter msfs

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:18 AM

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msfs is not that complex, it does one thing

viral hare Jul 1, 2021, 5:18 AM

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well vim has key bindings for a reason

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dunno if that game has it as so

clever salmonBOT Jul 1, 2021, 5:27 AM

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steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:27 AM

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aw, really!

sudden swallow Jul 1, 2021, 5:34 AM

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steel eagle aw, really!

doggokek no .py

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:34 AM

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confusedcat

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:34 AM

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tranquil ridge <:confusedcat:766188942277083157>

delete the C++ lib in libs/

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:34 AM

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oh

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:34 AM

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libstdc++

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just delete it and it'll use your system's

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 5:36 AM

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owo its in sdl

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how do i exit this game

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ah nvm theres a quit option

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 6:24 AM

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I saw nothing

dim root Jul 1, 2021, 6:24 AM

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that's good

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i posted it in #ot0-fear-of-python rather

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:04 AM

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wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:04 AM

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<t:1623039432:d>

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hmm interesting

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:05 AM

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(for #854363982738358302 folk)

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:05 AM

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yup lol

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<t:1625130343:R>

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<t:239402949320>

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<t:8640000000000>

bitter scroll Jul 1, 2021, 9:08 AM

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<t:162398105>

dusky cliff Jul 1, 2021, 9:08 AM

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<t:0>

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<t:-1>

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:09 AM

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ohh

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thats for localising times

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nice

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<t:1>

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amazing

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<t:0>

bitter scroll Jul 1, 2021, 9:09 AM

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<t:1623981015:F>

median blade Jul 1, 2021, 9:09 AM

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wait wtf is this

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Friday

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hm

bitter scroll Jul 1, 2021, 9:11 AM

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<t:1623981015:T>

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:11 AM

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cool

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:11 AM

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what on Earth am I looking at

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 9:12 AM

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chrisjl hacked discord and added new things.

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now everyone is using it

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:12 AM

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<t:1625134322>

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oh. that's cool

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:12 AM

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8640000000000 is the maximum apparently

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one above, and it becomes invalid

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<t:-8640000000000> to <t:8640000000000> is the largest possible range
(-8640000000000 - 8640000000000)

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:13 AM

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cool

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:13 AM

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<t:18446744073709551615>

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amazing

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<t:2132679932>

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:14 AM

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max year is 275760

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:15 AM

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dope

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:15 AM

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<t:8640000000000>

neat light Jul 1, 2021, 9:29 AM

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why do they looks like spoilers that have been clicked on

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:30 AM

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because discord ™️

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:31 AM

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neat light why do they looks like spoilers that have been clicked on

lmao I was wondering the same... I thought maybe they were spoilers that I did click on and I was wondering why they stayed even when switching channels

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:32 AM

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i'm guessing they're timezone-aware though? that would be cool

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:32 AM

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yes

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<t:1625135552> < This should be the current time for you

neat light Jul 1, 2021, 9:32 AM

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I have "show spoiler content on servers i moderate" on so I turned it off and restarted discord to check they weren't actual spoilers 😔

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:34 AM

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hazy laurel lmao I was wondering the same... I thought maybe they were spoilers that I *did*...

yeah, same lol

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:34 AM

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hazy laurel <t:1625135552> < This should be the current time for you

it is!!

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:34 AM

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epic

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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but... its... not

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its a whole hour off

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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oh.

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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i would know if it were 5 am

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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then it's not timezone aware

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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its only 4

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:36 AM

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<t:1625160940:R>

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What does that say for y'all?

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It would be your UTC off-set

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:36 AM

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it says in 8 hours

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:36 AM

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"in x hours" = -x
"x hours ago" = +x

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:37 AM

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not timezone aware, lame

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:37 AM

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You can do something kinda goofy like

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<t:1625122800:R> is <t:1625122800>

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:44 AM

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btw @neat light i was bored so heres a chad wookie

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:45 AM

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is it bad I'm thankful I never liked Power Rangers too much

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:45 AM

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someone named ! is typing... 👀

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:46 AM

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🎣

neat light Jul 1, 2021, 9:46 AM

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tranquil ridge btw <@!493839819168808962> i was bored so heres a chad wookie

lmao I like it. That shall be my new pfp 😎

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:46 AM

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lol

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:46 AM

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neat light lmao I like it. That shall be my new pfp 😎

nice

dusky cliff Jul 1, 2021, 9:48 AM

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damn

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:49 AM

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wild compass its a whole hour off

your system time is wrong

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:49 AM

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but how? i havent even touched it

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:50 AM

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are you saying it is timezone aware?

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it's wrong for me too lol

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:50 AM

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you guys live in the wrong timezone

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:50 AM

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smh\

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:50 AM

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lol

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:50 AM

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are you guys sure your system timezone is correct?

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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yeah, i just checked my phone, and its the same time as my computer

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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wait a minute wtf

dusky cliff Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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the timezone system is incorrect

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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unless it's cypheriel's timezone that's incorrect

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

#

#

Damned Windows

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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LMAO

dusky cliff Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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how the turns table

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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on Linux I just install chrony

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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vivek, is your timezone wrong?

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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wtf has it been off this entire time

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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wait... thes is @somber belfry timezone broken?

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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wild compass yeah, i just checked my phone, and its the same time as my computer

yeah, you can adjust current time relative to the wrong timezone

neat light Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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lol

dusky cliff Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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vivek is broken

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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lol

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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somber belfry yeah, you can adjust current time relative to the wrong timezone

hence time will be correct, timezone will be incorrect

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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wtf what time is it supposed to be for me

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:53 AM

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i mean, i just let windows handle everything for me

#

and my cell phone just gets the local time based on cell tower

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:53 AM

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hey !, which timezone are you at?

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:53 AM

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central us

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:53 AM

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time is irrelevant, nothing makes sense

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:53 AM

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junior moat i mean, i just let windows handle everything for me

yeah but... mine should be correct

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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<t:1625133226> is this off by 4 hours?

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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it is not

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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did you change os? that happens if we change os.

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

#

<t:1625133249:R>

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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we need to like off auto matic time and on again to get correct time

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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somber belfry <t:1625133226> is this off by 4 hours?

how did you get my time

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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what does that say for y'all

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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tranquil ridge how did you get my time

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

#

hazy laurel <t:1625133249:R>

a few seconds ago

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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wtf

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

#

oh heck

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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how are you doing that

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

#

it is timezone aware

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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discord?

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

#

yes

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

#

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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tranquil ridge how are you doing that

hacked into the mainframe

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

#

tf

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

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not on cellphone yet?

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

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lol

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

#

somber belfry

@tranquil ridge

#

213-267-9932

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

#

junior moat it is not

by how many hours is it off for you?

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

#

it was correct

#

0 hours

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

#

wowzer

#

times are timezone aware

#

and today I learned my time was off

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:56 AM

#

hazy laurel 213-267-9932

whyd you give a phone number

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:56 AM

#

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:56 AM

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junior moat it's wrong for me too lol

PEWshrug

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:56 AM

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wild compass whyd you give a phone number

lmfao it's from a song

#

Ocean Eyes with Blackbear

#

I got it stuck in my head 😵‍💫

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:56 AM

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the real question is why was it right for you, vivek?

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:56 AM

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https://time.is/

Time.is - exact time, any time zone

7 million locations, 52 languages, synchronized with atomic clock time.

junior moat Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

it was one hour ahead for me because cypheriel was one hour ahead

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

junior moat the real question is why was it _right_ for you, vivek?

idk lemon_sentimental

#

My mom always said that I was special

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

lmao damn Windows thinking I'm in Pacific Standard Time

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

lol

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

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<t:1625133419:d> time to find the americans

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

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lmao cypherial

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

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send how this looks now getgunned

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

odd sphinx <t:1625133419:d> time to find the americans

07/01/2021

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

spotted

#

uh

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

guess I'm American now PEWshrug

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

anyone else?

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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somber belfry guess I'm American now <:PEWshrug:798779816308375583>

bruh

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

#

somber belfry lmao cypherial

I'll forever wonder how people constantly make that typo lol

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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but u are in oman!!!

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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umm, i just got assimilated into america

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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It's so strange

#

How do people see a instead of e

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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guess i am american now shrug

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

#

BRUH

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

#

odd sphinx but u are in oman!!!

how u know

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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stop being american now!!! 😠

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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wild compass how u know

he said so

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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hazy laurel I'll forever wonder how people constantly make that typo lol

oh
Im sorry Cyphuriul

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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lol

balmy radish Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

#

Lol

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

#

k lol

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:58 AM

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My brother says "Phycereal" lol

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

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the cereal of physics

#

yum

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

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absolutely

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

physics of cereal

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

@odd sphinx basically everyone should be seeing 7/1/2021

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

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no

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

lemon_fingerguns_shades

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

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I'm amarican too?

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

NO

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

jovial island I'm amarican too?

🇺🇸

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

odd sphinx physics of cereal

its crunchy, and when it drops in the milk it becomes less crunchy

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

stop being american noww!!!!!!!!!!

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

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but um. I didn't want to be.

balmy radish Jul 1, 2021, 9:59 AM

#

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

#

hazy laurel 🇺🇸

no u. no english.

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

#

🇺🇸

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

#

🇦🇶

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

#

balmy radish

how dare you use 12 hrs

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

#

lol

balmy radish Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

#

You use 24 hrs normally?

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

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how can people read 12 hr clock.

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

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obviously

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM

#

yeah. we all do.

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 10:01 AM

#

ikr

#

24 hour gang

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 10:01 AM

#

ye

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 10:01 AM

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i mean, im indifferent

#

both are ok

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 10:01 AM

#

jovial island

see?

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

#

red countries use MDY

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

#

mdy?

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

#

mmddyyyy

balmy radish Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

#

Month day year

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

#

yes

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

#

oh ic

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 10:03 AM

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odd sphinx red countries use MDY

earth in the process of becoming flat

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 10:03 AM

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bruh

somber belfry Jul 1, 2021, 10:04 AM

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odd sphinx red countries use MDY

*country py_guido

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 10:04 AM

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true

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its only the land of freedom

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 10:05 AM

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mhm

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 10:10 AM

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yes

thin kindle Jul 1, 2021, 11:09 AM

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guys

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is there a way to determine if an integer can be evenly divided into 3 numbers, and the numbers being an even number

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 11:11 AM

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wait

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I can say... "July 4th is <t:1625378400:R>"

rigid echo Jul 1, 2021, 11:31 AM

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Lol

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:32 AM

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thin kindle is there a way to determine if an integer can be evenly divided into 3 numbers, ...

well if you think about it,
if a number is odd, there is no way all 3 numbers will be even.(as even+even+even=odd)
and about odd,
I did a lil bit of thinking,

if a number is even and greater than or equal to 6,
you can always do it as
2, 2, n-4

lunar basin Jul 1, 2021, 11:33 AM

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he probably meant divided as in, x * y * z = n

thin kindle Jul 1, 2021, 11:33 AM

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jovial island well if you think about it, if a number is odd, there is no way all 3 numbers wi...

can you elaborate more?

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:33 AM

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umm, i thought like divide as in, y'know, break in 3 parts.

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:34 AM

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thin kindle can you elaborate more?

yeah but lets be clear, divide as in a+b+c=d
or a*b*c=d?

thin kindle Jul 1, 2021, 11:37 AM

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jovial island yeah but lets be clear, divide as in a+b+c=d or `a*b*c=d`?

like this, I have X sweets, I can give it to 3 ppl, each person can get an even amount of sweets, example, I have 8 sweets, A = 4 B = 2 C = 2

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something like that idk

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:37 AM

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thin kindle like this, I have X sweets, I can give it to 3 ppl, each person can get an even ...

ah i see. so my above answer will work.

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:38 AM

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lunar basin he probably meant divided as in, `x * y * z = n`

haha nope he meant what i said

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this makes sense if it was, in terms of *

thin kindle Jul 1, 2021, 11:38 AM

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jovial island ah i see. so my above answer will work.

so what ur saying is that any even number larger or = to 6 can be splitted to 3 even numbers?

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:38 AM

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thin kindle so what ur saying is that any even number larger or = to 6 can be splitted to 3 ...

even AND larger than or equal to 6

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n%2==0 and n>=6

thin kindle Jul 1, 2021, 11:39 AM

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jovial island even AND larger than or equal to 6

how did you know this?

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:39 AM

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logic.

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i mean there is no thumb answer book for this its just math

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should be even, because => odd can't be summed up by 3 even numbers

=6 because you don't want to give 0 candies to any one

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yeah O(1)

lunar basin Jul 1, 2021, 11:50 AM

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yeah but isn't it unfair that one person gets 2, one person gets 4, and the last person just gets the rest?

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:54 AM

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lunar basin yeah but isn't it unfair that one person gets 2, one person gets 4, and the last...

OP actually asked for even to each lol. we can make like program to give fair share if asked ofc.

lunar basin Jul 1, 2021, 11:54 AM

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i know, but there's no reason it can't be a greater even number

jovial island Jul 1, 2021, 11:54 AM

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ofc its not. i just gave simplest way i could think of.

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 11:56 AM

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sure

hidden lintel Jul 1, 2021, 12:24 PM

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I just realised

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joe isn't active for so long

vague shadow Jul 1, 2021, 12:26 PM

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he's away from discord for a couple of days 😄

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 12:45 PM

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:L

median blade Jul 1, 2021, 12:58 PM

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:K

hazy laurel Jul 1, 2021, 12:58 PM

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absolutely not

clear geyser Jul 1, 2021, 2:58 PM

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This is a fun curve

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Glad I looked into 40+ cores, as the 1-40 cores was not helpful

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However, I doubt any user will be running this program on 128 threads :P

real forum Jul 1, 2021, 3:08 PM

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clear geyser This is a fun curve

What program?

clear geyser Jul 1, 2021, 3:08 PM

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TARDIS

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https://github.com/tardis-sn/tardis

GitHub

tardis-sn/tardis

TARDIS - Temperature And Radiative Diffusion In Supernovae - tardis-sn/tardis

undone root Jul 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

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rotund nova come here and accept the invite of lichess https://bit.ly/3cRcweQ

no

trim cloud Jul 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

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clear geyser Jul 1, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Rapid modelling of supernovae

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Down to 11 seconds is kinda crazy, but who has that many cores

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 3:16 PM

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trim cloud

is that a flat bazooka

trim cloud Jul 1, 2021, 3:33 PM

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tranquil ridge is that a flat bazooka

why tf woud u think that

tranquil ridge Jul 1, 2021, 3:35 PM

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no idea

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 4:18 PM

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trim cloud why tf woud u think that

makes sense

steel eagle Jul 1, 2021, 5:22 PM

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Idk who needs to hear this but if you order food answer your phone if a number you don't know calls.

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 6:07 PM

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lol

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 6:11 PM

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shit my laptops not charging

odd sphinx Jul 1, 2021, 6:14 PM

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slap it

wild compass Jul 1, 2021, 6:20 PM

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i think the charging block is broken

keen burrow Jul 1, 2021, 6:22 PM

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tranquil ridge btw <@!493839819168808962> i was bored so heres a chad wookie

Hahahaha, it is actually really good! Give it a blink of shading and you are golden :P

proper python Jul 1, 2021, 8:53 PM

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YES

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LETS GO

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POGGERS

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I AM IN THE %1

gaunt jacinth Jul 1, 2021, 8:54 PM

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proper python YES

whats that

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oh, how many people qualified

real forum Jul 1, 2021, 8:58 PM

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proper python I AM IN THE %1

It's much closer to two percent but...

simple arch Jul 1, 2021, 10:54 PM

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proper python I AM IN THE %1

You're in the 0.18% (cause you multiplied by 100)

proper python Jul 1, 2021, 11:12 PM

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IM STILL IN THE 1%%

graceful zephyr Jul 2, 2021, 12:42 AM

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Hey so my current project, a desktop speedcubing timer app, is open source, and i want to include 2 features, a server and an automatic update feature. How can I avoid security issues if the app is open source?

lunar basin Jul 2, 2021, 12:43 AM

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what security issues might there be?

graceful zephyr Jul 2, 2021, 12:45 AM

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I get that my server has to handle all kind of pings and all that stuff, but say for example I want to make a beta version of my app, like Discord Canary, and i want that the app does not look for any updated and that it cant connect to the server, well, if somebody who knows to code, he can get the beta version and even check for updates and all that stuff and even connect with the server and send messages that can possibly crash it? I dont know. This is my first big and open source project

plain spruce Jul 2, 2021, 1:05 AM

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what is a flat file?

steel eagle Jul 2, 2021, 1:47 AM

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a flat file is just a regular, uncompressed, unencrypted file

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i.e. .txt, .json, etc

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@plain spruce^

proper python Jul 2, 2021, 8:49 AM

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graceful zephyr Hey so my current project, a desktop speedcubing timer app, is open source, and ...

Don't really see how making it open source will create security issues. Even you for whatever reason want to create your own encryption instead of the stuff that comes with the basic requests library, making it open source won't create problems, since your server will be generating keys

round moss Jul 2, 2021, 9:19 AM

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The important thing is that your server should never crash just because the user sent wrong data

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 9:44 AM

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https://youtu.be/H1rN-gdkgfU

YouTube

exurb1a

so you want to build a nuke

As it happens yellowcake isn't actually that delicious.
Super duper new book, Geometry for Ocelots (you might need to change your region) ► https://tinyurl.com/2e44sbdb

Plutonium is obviously a massive part of the story too, but it just didn’t lend itself to jokes. Sorry about that.

The rest of my books ► https://tinyurl.com/ycnl5bo3
T-shir...

▶ Play video

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might be useful later

ancient whale Jul 2, 2021, 9:46 AM

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you ever just

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want to build a nuke?

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 9:46 AM

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yes

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multiple times

magic atlas Jul 2, 2021, 11:04 AM

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odd sphinx https://youtu.be/H1rN-gdkgfU

Not too difficult. Just smash two sub-critical fissile masses together to make a super-critical one.

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 11:05 AM

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ikr

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ez

magic atlas Jul 2, 2021, 11:05 AM

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No big deal

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 11:05 AM

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yep

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ill just get one from my local fissile mass distributer

magic atlas Jul 2, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Or you can go with a fancy-pants implosion device.

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 11:07 AM

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too fancy for me

tranquil ridge Jul 2, 2021, 11:09 AM

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odd sphinx ez

i mean bro its just breaking a nucleus just keep bonking it

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 11:10 AM

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ikr

median blade Jul 2, 2021, 12:19 PM

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tranquil ridge i mean bro its just breaking a nucleus just keep bonking it

bruhtf

graceful zephyr Jul 2, 2021, 12:20 PM

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proper python Don't really see how making it open source will create security issues. Even you...

Should I make my own encryption or I’m good with the socket’s encryption?

round moss Jul 2, 2021, 12:21 PM

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never make your own encryption, always use existing well tested solutions

proper python Jul 2, 2021, 12:21 PM

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man, are you really that worried about people's speedcubing scores being open?

outer solstice Jul 2, 2021, 12:23 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4duqI8WyfqE&ab_channel=Fireship
Thoughts?

YouTube

Fireship

The Truth about Github Copilot // AI Programming First Look

Learn the basics of GitHub Copilot - an AI-powered tool for writing code faster. It is built on top of OpenAI’s GPT-3 model and uses training data from public places like StackOverflow to suggest and write code automatically.

#ai #code #firstlook

🔗 Resources

Copilot https://copilot.github.com/
OpenAI https://openai.com/blog/gpt-3-apps/
GPT3...

▶ Play video

round moss Jul 2, 2021, 12:33 PM

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there is a massive gap between suggesting small snippets from comments and writing a whole application

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I don't really buy this alarmism

tribal tinsel Jul 2, 2021, 1:31 PM

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I realised I have really nice round number of photos on my phone :D

echo fern Jul 2, 2021, 1:32 PM

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equal amount 👀

rich cargo Jul 2, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Those roses are beautiful

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But wait

hazy laurel Jul 2, 2021, 1:49 PM

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there's more

rich cargo Jul 2, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Face reveal 👀

hazy laurel Jul 2, 2021, 1:50 PM

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oh I would've never seen that

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felt kind of like where's waldo

dusky cliff Jul 2, 2021, 1:50 PM

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what

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where face

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i only see cats and bees

cerulean panther Jul 2, 2021, 1:51 PM

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behind the orange-white cat

dusky cliff Jul 2, 2021, 1:51 PM

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??

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oh

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nvm

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ok

median blade Jul 2, 2021, 1:53 PM

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rich cargo Face reveal 👀

damn

rich cargo Jul 2, 2021, 1:53 PM

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What?

median blade Jul 2, 2021, 1:53 PM

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just damn

sharp spoke Jul 2, 2021, 2:38 PM

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guys i am just wondering how do u judge how good is a google entension?

tribal tinsel Jul 2, 2021, 3:01 PM

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rich cargo Those roses are beautiful

my mother-in-law's ^^

tribal tinsel Jul 2, 2021, 3:02 PM

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rich cargo Face reveal 👀

damn, is my MIL on those photos with fluffy cat?

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oh, no. it's really part of my face with the cat

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dammit, I tried to take a screenshot with mix of photos without faces on them

rich cargo Jul 2, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Hahaha 😂

vague belfry Jul 2, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Very off topic: Anyone knows any free software for animation?

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 5:00 PM

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blender?

vague belfry Jul 2, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Yah, anymore?

dusky cliff Jul 2, 2021, 5:11 PM

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ask vinam to do it in macroquad

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/827795403558486046.png?v=1&size=40

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 5:11 PM

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lol

woven hornet Jul 2, 2021, 5:28 PM

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could i ask, over here, the lecturer did this to create two tables, and then insert the values of title into the first table called shows

with open("Favorite TV Shows - Form Responses 1.csv", "r") as file:
    reader = csv.DictReader(file)
    for row in reader:
        title = row["title"].strip().upper()

        id = db.execute("INSERT INTO shows (title) VALUES(?)", title)```

could i ask for the last line, if we could directly substitute the variable `title`(a variable that is derived from previous calculations) like this
```id = db.execute("INSERT INTO shows (title) VALUES(title)")```
 vs 
```id = db.execute("INSERT INTO shows (title) VALUES(?)", title)```

round moss Jul 2, 2021, 5:29 PM

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that will not work, you will just be sending the string as is, without using the title variable

woven hornet Jul 2, 2021, 5:30 PM

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oh that makes sense yeah

round moss Jul 2, 2021, 5:30 PM

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you should always use the ? based substitution

woven hornet Jul 2, 2021, 5:30 PM

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right 👍

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 5:31 PM

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if u put title inside {} and make it an f string

woven hornet Jul 2, 2021, 5:31 PM

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i have another qn sorry for joining tables, are the two JOIN functions for the arrows in red? does the direction of the arrows matter? if i were to follow the structure of the first JOIN, the second one should be JOIN stars ON shows.id = stars.show_id or am i mistaken? thanks!

odd sphinx Jul 2, 2021, 5:31 PM

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u are vulnerable to whats known as an sql injection attack

woven hornet Jul 2, 2021, 5:31 PM

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odd sphinx u are vulnerable to whats known as an sql injection attack

yeahh

graceful zephyr Jul 2, 2021, 5:41 PM

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outer solstice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4duqI8WyfqE&ab_channel=Fireship Thoughts?

I'll watch the video later, is it an AI that suggests code?

graceful zephyr Jul 2, 2021, 5:41 PM

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round moss never make your own encryption, always use existing well tested solutions

Alright

proper python Jul 2, 2021, 10:08 PM

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tranquil ridge Jul 3, 2021, 2:04 AM

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dusky cliff ask vinam to do it in macroquad

hello what

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 2:42 AM

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odd sphinx blender?

is blender used for animation? i thought it was just for models

tranquil ridge Jul 3, 2021, 2:43 AM

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i think it is

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actually i am fairly certain its used

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 2:44 AM

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hm

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 2:45 AM

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it can be used for animation

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 2:46 AM

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hM

viral hare Jul 3, 2021, 3:07 AM

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i think u can even script it with python too

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there is like some python module that u can use to control blender

timber mango Jul 3, 2021, 3:21 AM

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ancient whale is blender used for animation? i thought it was just for models

blender for - video editing, game creating, sculpting, modelling, photo editor, 2d and 3d animation.......

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 3:23 AM

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game creating? how

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 3:35 AM

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ye

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 3:35 AM

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ye

rigid echo Jul 3, 2021, 3:55 AM

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ey

median blade Jul 3, 2021, 3:56 AM

#

e

woven hornet Jul 3, 2021, 4:12 AM

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oh i mistook the small crow's feet as an arrow, so it doesn't indicate any direction?

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im having issues with the third line, can it be JOIN stars ON shows.id = stars.show_id instead of JOIN shows on stars.show_id = shows.id?

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oh okay but im still having trouble determining which table i should put after JOIN and which table value to be after ON, is there a convention/ method to decide?

base on what i understand,
line 2 JOIN stars ON people.id = stars.person_id is where it joins the star table with people table so it's JOIN the table stars on the people table with the value people.id only

line 3 JOIN shows ON stars.show_id = shows.id it means to join the shows table to the stars table with the value show.id only.

but i don't get for either line, why cant we see it as the reverse, eg. people table joining with stars (line 2) and stars table joining to shows table (line 3) if the order doesn't matter?

woven hornet Jul 3, 2021, 4:53 AM

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uh sry noo i don't have the data

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yea

glass tulip Jul 3, 2021, 5:23 AM

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does anyone know info on sat?

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 6:45 AM

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wow. I have discovered how to make python hints as real enforced data types.

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(without mypy)

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 6:47 AM

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show

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 6:47 AM

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I am just reading theory about it, but going to try right now.
a moment, coding.

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 AM

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damn

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 AM

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what's that one package that can give you the return type

tranquil ridge Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 AM

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github copilot

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 AM

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bruh

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 6:49 AM

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no :(

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 6:52 AM

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dusky cliff show

!e

from typing import Callable, Any
class Validation:
    def __init__(
        self, validation_function: Callable[[Any], bool], error_msg: str
    ) -> None:
        self.validation_function = validation_function
        self.error_msg = error_msg
    def __call__(self, value):
        if not self.validation_function(value):
            raise ValueError(f"{value!r} {self.error_msg}")
class Field:
    def __init__(self, *validations):
        self._name = None
        self.validations = validations
    def __set_name__(self, owner, name):
        self._name = name
    def __get__(self, instance, owner):
        if instance is None:
            return self
        return instance.__dict__[self._name]
    def validate(self, value):
        for validation in self.validations:
            validation(value)
    def __set__(self, instance, value):
        self.validate(value)
        instance.__dict__[self._name] = value
class ClientClass:
    descriptor = Field(
        Validation(lambda x: isinstance(x, (int)), "is not a number")
    )

client = ClientClass()
client.descriptor = 5
client.descriptor = "str"

clever salmonBOT Jul 3, 2021, 6:52 AM

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@rotund python :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 34, in <module>
003 |   File "<string>", line 25, in __set__
004 |   File "<string>", line 23, in validate
005 |   File "<string>", line 10, in __call__
006 | ValueError: 'str' is not a number

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 6:52 AM

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multiple validators can be used

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for one field

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I am sure it can be adapted to work with hints too I think

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original example:

descriptor = Field(
        Validation(lambda x: isinstance(x, (int)), "is not a number"),
        Validation(lambda x: x >= 0, "is not >= 0"),
    )

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 6:54 AM

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now validate a list of a million items, hinted as list[int] lemon_long

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 6:54 AM

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ya the whole container[type] screws with everything

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same with stuff like Union

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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or validate a function, hinted as Callable[float, int] and check if it returns an int for every float in existence

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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don't be a party pooper

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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heh

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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it is still a cool thing ;b

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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yeah

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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a new level of abstraction, replacing @property and @name.setter

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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idk why you wouldnt just stick a bunch of isinstances to sanity check it

#

def foo(a: int, b: Optional[str], c: list[int]) -> dict[str, int]:
    if not isinstance(a, int):
      raise ImproperA
    else if not isinstance(b, (str, None)):
      raise ImproperB
    else if not isinstance(c, list) and not all(isinstance(item, int) for item in c):
      raise ImproperC

    ...
    if not isinstance(return_var, dict) and not all(isinstance(item[0], str) and isinstance(value, int) for item, value in dict.items()):
      raise ImproperReturn```

clever salmonBOT Jul 3, 2021, 7:00 AM

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@rotund python :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 17, in <module>
003 |   File "<string>", line 4, in __init__
004 | ValueError: my string is not of <class 'int'> type!

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 7:00 AM

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theres probably a better way to do it but im lazy rn

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 7:03 AM

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a bit no idea how to properly set values yet, but it in the process

ancient whale Jul 3, 2021, 7:04 AM

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also the whole

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not working with typing

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 7:09 AM

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mm, __get__ and others aren't working for some reason

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I don't get something with those decriptors yet

#

!e

class Integer:
    def __init__(self, value):
        self._name = None
        if not isinstance(value, int):
            raise ValueError(f"{value} is not {int}")
        self._value = value
    def __set_name__(self, owner, name):
        self._name = name
    def __get__(self, instance, owner):
        return self._value
    def __set__(self, instance, value):
        if not isinstance(value, int):
            raise ValueError(f"{value} is not {int}")
        self._value = value

class C:

    a = Integer(5)
    b = Integer(6)

print(C.a)
print(C.b)
print(C.a)

class D:
    e = Integer("123")

clever salmonBOT Jul 3, 2021, 7:19 AM

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@rotund python :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | 5
002 | 6
003 | 5
004 | Traceback (most recent call last):
005 |   File "<string>", line 25, in <module>
006 |   File "<string>", line 26, in D
007 |   File "<string>", line 5, in __init__
008 | ValueError: 123 is not <class 'int'>

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 7:20 AM

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it works ;b

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lets try to catch hints now

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:01 AM

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dusky cliff now validate a list of a million items, hinted as `list[int]` <:lemon_long:75444...

!e

from typing import List
class Field:
    def __init__(self, value):
        self._name = None
        self._value = value
    def __set_name__(self, owner, name):
        self._name = name

        hint_type = owner.__annotations__[name]
        class_type = self._value.__class__

        if "typing" in hint_type.__module__:
            if hint_type.__origin__ != class_type:
                raise ValueError(f"{self._value} of {class_type} is not {hint_type.__origin__}")

            try:
                for value in self._value:
                    if hint_type.__args__[0] != value.__class__:
                        raise ValueError(f"{value} of {value.__class__} is not {hint_type.__args__[0]}")
            except KeyError:
                pass

            return

        if hint_type != class_type:
            raise ValueError(f"{self._value} of {class_type} is not {hint_type}")
    def __get__(self, instance, owner):
        return self._value
    def __set__(self, instance, value):
        self._value = value

class C:

    a: int = Field(5)
    b: List[str] = Field(["678", "546"])
    c: List[int] = Field(["123", "099"])


print(C.a)
print(C.b)
print(C.a)

clever salmonBOT Jul 3, 2021, 8:01 AM

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@rotund python :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 19, in __set_name__
003 | ValueError: 123 of <class 'str'> is not <class 'int'>
004 | 
005 | The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:
006 | 
007 | Traceback (most recent call last):
008 |   File "<string>", line 32, in <module>
009 | RuntimeError: Error calling __set_name__ on 'Field' instance 'c' in 'C'

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:01 AM

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well, and it was fun

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 8:03 AM

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nice

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my point was that validating a list of million items would take up a lot of time, not that it's not possible to implement, heh

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:05 AM

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dusky cliff my point was that validating a list of million items would take up a lot of time...

heh. they should be validated only during __set__ operation then

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I mean... aren't languages like C++ basically do that?

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or well, at least checking once during __init__

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is much less consuming

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the only read difference that...

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C++ has a lot of performance to spare

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 8:06 AM

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in c++ the types would be checked at compile time and not at runtime

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you wouldn't be able to make a list(array?) declared as a certain type and put in objects of other types in it

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:07 AM

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dusky cliff in c++ the types would be checked at compile time and not at runtime

how would it be able to check values which are set dynamically during runtime?

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it is checked during runtime

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 8:08 AM

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not really sure

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:08 AM

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it can't be checked during compile

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actually it can be

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I mean... every return type is typized there as well

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so even that could be checked during compiling time

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 8:09 AM

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yeah

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besides, if something is even potentially type unsafe, the compiler wouldn't allow it, even if it isn't actually type unsafe at runtime

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:11 AM

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dusky cliff besides, if something is even potentially type unsafe, the compiler wouldn't all...

well, lets continue considering our mypy as part of not existing compiler then

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:12 AM

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rotund python !e ```py from typing import List class Field: def __init__(self, value): ...

it surely can work though ;b

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I wonder how much performance would degrade though

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probably a lot 😉

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 8:13 AM

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mmm

rotund python Jul 3, 2021, 8:17 AM

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actually you know

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this is not really different than using @property and @elder jungle.setter

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it could be nice to use when we are having too much of repeatedly the same ones

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to DRY their logic

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accidentally pinged a user. Well, he should choose better name.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

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thorn eagle Jul 3, 2021, 9:11 AM

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console.log("Hello?")

hazy laurel Jul 3, 2021, 9:11 AM

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yes

thorn eagle Jul 3, 2021, 9:14 AM

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PIE DOUGH

2 ½ cups flour (315 g)
1 teaspoon salt
1 ½ sticks butter, 1 1/2 sticks, cold, cubed
8 tablespoons ice water, or as needed
FILLING

2 ½ lb granny smith apple (1 kg), cored, sliced, peeled
¾ cup sugar (150 g)
2 tablespoons flour
½ teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon cinnamon
¼ teaspoon nutmeg
½ lemon
1 egg, beaten
1 tablespoon sugar
TOPPING

1 scoop vanilla ice cream
Nutrition Info
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Preparation
In a medium-sized bowl, add the flour and salt. Mix with fork until combined.
Add in cubed butter and break up into flour with a fork. Mixture will still have lumps about the size of small peas.
Gradually add the ice water and continue to mix until the dough starts to come together. You may not need all of the water, but if the dough is too dry then add more. The dough should not be very tacky or sticky.
Work the dough together with your hands and turn out onto a surface. Work into a ball and cover with cling wrap. Refrigerate.
Peel the apples, then core and slice.
In a bowl, add the sliced apples, sugar, flour, salt, cinnamon, nutmeg, and juice from the lemon.
Mix until combined and all apples are coated. Refrigerate.
Preheat the oven to 375°F (200°C).
On a floured surface, cut the pie dough in half and roll out both halves until round and about ⅛-inch (3 mm) thick.
Roll the dough around the rolling pin and unroll onto a pie dish making sure the dough reaches all edges. Trim extra if necessary.
Pour in apple filling mixture and pat down.
Roll the other half of the dough on top.
Trim the extra dough from the edges and pinch the edges to create a crimp. Make sure edges are sealed together.
Brush the pie with the beaten egg and sprinkle with the sugar.
Cut four slits in the top of the pie to create a vent.
Bake pie for 50-60 minutes or until the crust is golden brown and no greyish or undercooked pastry remains.
Allow to cool completely before slicing.
Top with ice cream and serve.
Enjoy!

how to make apple pie from scratch

cerulean panther Jul 3, 2021, 9:14 AM

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uhh, ok? oh you forgot to make the universe

thorn eagle Jul 3, 2021, 9:14 AM

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lol

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 9:18 AM

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thorn eagle ```txt PIE DOUGH 2 ½ cups flour (315 g) 1 teaspoon salt 1 ½ sticks butter, 1 1/...

inaccurate

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you must first create the universe

thorn eagle Jul 3, 2021, 9:19 AM

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oh

cerulean panther Jul 3, 2021, 9:19 AM

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lol

thorn eagle Jul 3, 2021, 9:19 AM

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you mean litterally from scratch?

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 9:19 AM

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yes

thorn eagle Jul 3, 2021, 9:19 AM

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from nothing?

dusky cliff Jul 3, 2021, 9:20 AM

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yes

thorn eagle Jul 3, 2021, 9:20 AM

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lol

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 9:20 AM

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yes

hazy laurel Jul 3, 2021, 9:26 AM

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https://scratch.mit.edu

Scratch - Imagine, Program, Share

Scratch is a free programming language and online community where you can create your own interactive stories, games, and animations.

neat light Jul 3, 2021, 10:20 AM

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@prime timber you closed your help channel, but fwiw, the site seems to work fine when accessed from a browser, so i'd guess the reason it's not working to be some sort of anti-scraping measure

prime timber Jul 3, 2021, 10:23 AM

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That is what confused me too so I thought the problem to be in my pandas installation. I guess I will wait for if the problem resolves until next week and hope it's just a maintenance issue instead of the anti-scraping measure

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Pro tip if you order food give your apartment number

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Or at least answer your phone

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 5:34 PM

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uhh

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isnt that pretty obvious

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:17 PM

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You would think.

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Yet it's pretty much a daily occurrence where I get a delivery with no apartment number, just a building number

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And they almost never answer their phone

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:27 PM

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wtf

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but

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isnt that a mandatory part of the delivery address form

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:43 PM

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Address line 2 is optional

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:43 PM

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damn

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:43 PM

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Because not everyone lives in an apartment...

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:43 PM

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thats true

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:43 PM

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You just have to have two brain cells

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:44 PM

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but if one lives in an apartment

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and one wants food delivered

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to said apartment

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what goes in their heads

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wtf

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Line one 1124 NE Kendall St
Line two #D1
Ez.
(Not a real address)

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:44 PM

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do they pay in advance via credit card or is it like cash on delivery

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Most of them pay ahead

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:45 PM

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bruh

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that is so

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AHHHHHHHHH

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didnt know this happens

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now i know

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:45 PM

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Yeah. And I've had it happen where it was paid card, with like a $10 tip added already

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:46 PM

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lol

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amazing

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:46 PM

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There's a process pretty much every company uses

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1: call once
2: call a second time and leave a voicemail
3: wait 5 minutes then call the store
4: store attempts to call and leave a voicemail
5: wait 5 more minutes then return to store

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I followed this, drive back to the store, they then call asking where the delivery is

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:47 PM

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wtf

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so u have to go back?

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do they tip u extra for that

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:47 PM

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Then when they got their food, they called and complained that it was "cold" (it was not, it was in a thermal bag under a heat lamp)

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 PM

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jeez

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Welcome to food service

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 PM

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odd sphinx so u have to go back?

Hahaha funny joke

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Nice thing about where I work now it's I get paid for mileage

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So if I do have to go back somewhere I get paid, most places don't do that

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 PM

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ah nice

steel eagle Jul 3, 2021, 6:48 PM

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And I meant to reply to the extra tip message

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Not the going back message, yes we have to go back lol

odd sphinx Jul 3, 2021, 6:49 PM

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oh ok

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lol

grim seal Jul 3, 2021, 9:09 PM

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i have more ipv6

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tribal tinsel Jul 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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grim seal

Mythic-beasts? :o

grim seal Jul 3, 2021, 9:40 PM

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tribal tinsel Mythic-beasts? :o

you know them?

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https://www.mythic-beasts.com/

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tribal tinsel Jul 3, 2021, 9:48 PM

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No, I was just curious about the name. The name sounds epic

grim seal Jul 3, 2021, 10:18 PM

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hahaha

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yeah

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good company

quiet depot Jul 3, 2021, 11:21 PM

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I don't know how this happen or it actually happens, but I was trying to figure it out why the display was so low quality in the TV and know I just plugged and

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smoothie

upbeat sandal Jul 4, 2021, 1:36 AM

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You can't fool me anymore, @keen burrow. I've seen through your Frenchy ways.

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And I don't care what fancy name you call it. I'm not eating another snail.

dusky cliff Jul 4, 2021, 2:15 AM

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lemon_sentimental

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akarys have you been lying to us!? lemon_angrysad

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:36 AM

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upbeat sandal And I don't care what fancy name you call it. I'm not eating another snail.

what do you mean? roasted cheesy snails with fine herbs are absolutely amazing
i'm not joking, i tasted them like 5 times already

upbeat sandal Jul 4, 2021, 2:37 AM

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pastel nest what do you mean? roasted cheesy snails with fine herbs are absolutely amazing i...

what does the snail part taste like, cheese and herbs aside?

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:38 AM

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upbeat sandal what does the snail part taste like, cheese and herbs aside?

it's incredibly chewy (probably the worst thing and best thing about it), and a little savory

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ah, found the name

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"escargots gratines"

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accent aigu on the e, too lazy to type it

mental idol Jul 4, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Cheesy snail

upbeat sandal Jul 4, 2021, 2:39 AM

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are you french?

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:40 AM

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upbeat sandal are you french?

canadian, so yeah i speak french as well lol

mental idol Jul 4, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Shouldn't be that chewy though 😦 Like squid, will be a little chewy due to the nature but overcooked = rubbery

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:40 AM

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mental idol Shouldn't be that chewy though 😦 Like squid, will be a little chewy due to the...

true

daring jay Jul 4, 2021, 2:40 AM

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@keen burrow What are you hiding? 👀

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:40 AM

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i believe there's a special way of carving a squid's meat so that it becomes less chewy and more like almost crunchy

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oh god, that sounds horrible lmao

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:41 AM

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daring jay <@407110650217627658> What are you hiding? 👀

hiding the snails

upbeat sandal Jul 4, 2021, 2:41 AM

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pastel nest canadian, so yeah i speak french as well lol

Quebecois specifically?

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:41 AM

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upbeat sandal Quebecois specifically?

no, i learned french

upbeat sandal Jul 4, 2021, 2:41 AM

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pastel nest no, i learned french

stop playing into their little game

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:42 AM

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but holy moly quebec's poutine is absolutely world-spinningly delicious

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:42 AM

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upbeat sandal stop playing into their little game

lmao, it's all a conspiracy to get you buying more poutine and baguettes

upbeat sandal Jul 4, 2021, 2:42 AM

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I really like potatoes so I really want to try poutine tbh

daring jay Jul 4, 2021, 2:42 AM

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pastel nest lmao, it's all a conspiracy to get you buying more poutine and baguettes

The French are fake

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French fries aren't French

upbeat sandal Jul 4, 2021, 2:43 AM

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daring jay French fries aren't French

you mean FREEDOM fries?

daring jay Jul 4, 2021, 2:43 AM

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They're from Belgium

dusky cliff Jul 4, 2021, 2:43 AM

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pastel nest i believe there's a special way of carving a squid's meat so that it becomes les...

cc @native cobalt

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:43 AM

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daring jay French fries aren't French

wait, really? lmao no way

daring jay Jul 4, 2021, 2:43 AM

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Yes

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:44 AM

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upbeat sandal I really like potatoes so I really want to try poutine tbh

you should, to describe its deliciousness you'd need to take every superlative in a dictioary and mash them together

sinful sun Jul 4, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Its not the carving, its the cooking

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Overcooked squid is chewy af

pastel nest Jul 4, 2021, 2:44 AM

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dusky cliff cc <@!118775258260963331>

uh oh...

fickle ether Jul 4, 2021, 2:54 AM

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hi should i learn c or c++ if i want to understand more about how computers work at the lower level

thorn eagle Jul 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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daring jay They're from Belgium

yep

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lol

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but why do they call them French Fries

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questionmark.

cerulean panther Jul 4, 2021, 5:26 AM

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thorn eagle but why do they call them *French* Fries

In winter, when the river froze, the fish-deprived villagers fried potatoes instead. It's said that this dish was discovered by American soldiers in Belgium during World War I and, since the dominant language of southern Belgium is French, they dubbed the tasty potatoes “French” fries.

thorn eagle Jul 4, 2021, 5:26 AM

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Oh

native cobalt Jul 4, 2021, 5:34 AM

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pastel nest uh oh...

They say that the meat of an object is pretty tasty evilsquid