since C++ wasn't good enough for mozzila
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
round moss
lean birch
<@206756345108627457> they referring to you π€
huh. let me search this thing.
lean birch
<@206756345108627457> they referring to you π€
ah, found it. All I had to do with that was that I edited the question and fixed their formatting, five years ago 
No idea why they'd try to ping me because of that, probably just saw my name on the page. It's here https://askubuntu.com/q/825327/367990
I deleted that comment, lol
static raptor
hahaha nice
found it funny to see a ping of you on a random programming horror thread
steel eagle
Back on the rust thing (SOrry a bit busy today) but yeah, I can make a multithreaded application so easily in Rust, even scaling out to the 24 cores of the rackmount we have in the laundry room
granted, I can do that on Python, too. But the use cases for those two things are far different :)
wide totem
Back on the rust thing (SOrry a bit busy today) but yeah, I can make a multithre...
I love how this goes from how nice rust is to flexing on us with a home server with 24 cores.
π
wide totem
react native?
civic plank
probably just react in general lol
civic plank
true. but on the react discord server its so common to see people who know only the "react" framework itself
like some dude says he doesnt know how to write basic js, only knows jsx
the web dev job market has a shit ton of react requirements, so im not surprised
wide totem
@languid osprey hi :D
wide totem
wide totem
Why ping in different channel
i use #ot0-fear-of-python as little as possible
languid osprey
Ok
wide totem
You have ascended
π€
wide totem
WHAT THE FUCK RUST HAS DOCUMENTATION BUILT IN
daring jay
WHAT THE FUCK RUST HAS DOCUMENTATION BUILT IN
docs.rs ftw
wide totem
~~Python libraries often do the same~~
but not like this, where you can run it in vsc
yes i named my crate rusty
i am so lost regardless rn
hazy laurel
lost osul.
wide totem
where is how to use ::?
hazy laurel
soul
hazy laurel
where is how to use `::`?
classmethods, basically
viral hare
i think its called scope resolution operator
viral hare
or maybe thats what its called in c++ but not sure if rust calls it the same
viral hare
yeah thats trying to use something from a namespace
wide totem
from The Book
use std::io;
fn main() {
println!("Guess the number!");
println!("Please input your guess.");
let mut guess = String::new();
io::stdin()
.read_line(&mut guess)
.expect("Failed to read line");
println!("You guessed: {}", guess);
}
wicked hollow
Python ships with docs, too, technically. On a Unix machine, try python3 -m pydoc -b
wide totem
i think that :: is like . in python?
py: io.read()
rs: io::read()
assume that read is a valid method
viral hare
its for scoping
like i mentioned above
except in python the dot operator can also scope
wicked hollow
right - so Python's sys.stdin is Rust's io::stdin
viral hare
think its called static
hazy laurel
huh. probably lol
wide totem
let mut guess = String::new();
let - defines variable
mut - allows the program to edit it later
guess - name of the variable
= - assignment operator
String - Built in class String
:: - pretty much equal to . in python
new - the method to create a new string object
() - calls the method
; - rust syntax
hazy laurel
:: - pretty much equal to . in python
This is a little incorrect, though
class Foo:
@staticmethod
def bar():
pass
Foo.bar()
In this context, yes. In Rust you'd use Foo::bar()
However, if you did
class Foo:
def bar(self):
pass
you'd do foo().bar() in both Rust and Python
Well, in Rust... you'd probably actually do like foo = Foo::new() and then do foo.bar()
wide totem
Well, in Rust... you'd probably actually do like `foo = Foo::new()` and then do ...
why would it still be foo.bar()?
tranquil ridge
:: is for directly accessing from the struct/enum and . is for accessing from instances
hidden kernel
!mute 727402153156673556 π
clever salmonBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @oblique scroll until 2021-06-08 05:51 (59 minutes and 59 seconds).
hazy laurel
uh
wide totem
i can write my code and not worry about formatting until after
echo fern
that's how it is in most languages, yes
echo fern
i can write my code and not worry about formatting until after
you're not hitting the formatting hotkey every 5 seconds? π
wide totem
I have used autohotkey and java, but not for a few months
wide totem
you're not hitting the formatting hotkey every 5 seconds? π
i hit it after I finish the brackets lol
but its actually formatting my code and removing a new line i really really want for rn
and something sucks
i was running it with a debugger, made some edits, and vscode did not recompile
hm, what flags is taht
tranquil ridge
you're not hitting the formatting hotkey every 5 seconds? π
ikr
wide totem
you're not hitting the formatting hotkey every 5 seconds? π
You don't turn on autosave and format on save?
echo fern
rust-analyzer actually gets really laggy for me sometimes, so I probably shouldn't
wide totem
Ah
I'm still deciding between rust and rust-analyzer
Since rust analyzer warned me about having them both on lol
wide totem
Lol
odd sphinx
yes
woven hornet
what is segmentation fault?
int main(void)
{
char key[5];
string n[5] = {"a, b, c, d, e"};
for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++)
{
//check if it's all alphabets
if (isalpha(n[i]))
{
key[i] = tolower(n[1][i]);
}
}
printf("%s", key);
}
i get it jus from doing this
it can compile
round moss
whats string
round moss
so string is char const[]
anyway, segmentation fault means you accessed an array out of bounds generally
odd sphinx
what is segmentation fault?
when u access memory thats not urs to access
usually
i watched cs50
dusky cliff
string n[5] = {"a, b, c, d, e"};
odd sphinx
its good
dusky cliff
isn't this just one string
dusky cliff
yeah
odd sphinx
yes
odd sphinx
n[5]
round moss
the default initializer for a pointer is NULL
odd sphinx
when its not 5 long
round moss
so that array {"that string", NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL}
round moss
so yes, that will segfault
dusky cliff
"a", "b", "c"
round moss
yup^
woven hornet
so that array `{"that string", NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL}`
so i put " " around each element
round moss
yup
odd sphinx
ye
woven hornet
it still says segmentation fault
urban viper
don't tolower and isalpha operate on chars?
round moss
I think they are special functions made by them earlier
round moss
n[1][i] is wrong, yes
woven hornet
<@!702907583857688577> did u mean `key[i][1]`
oh right
yeah
i jus changed it
but still segmentation fault
odd sphinx
bruh
round moss
could you post the fixed program?
round moss
actually, better idea
woven hornet
im kinda confused
uh the original program is like very long
odd sphinx
tolower(n[i][1]) ?
odd sphinx
learn how to use valgrind
they teach u that in later lessons of cs50
round moss
well, they clearly need it now
odd sphinx
uh the original program is like very long
i see
round moss
not later
odd sphinx
lol
true
i think they want them to fix these kinds of issues by themselves before introducing better tools
woven hornet
is this ur lab problem?
its one of the problem set
woven hornet
the wholle thing?
odd sphinx
ok
odd sphinx
i figured it out alr sry
lol nice
jovial island
yeah there
gusty rivet
@jovial island
i wanna do this without having to repeat the query selector, i thought i might be able to use this for doing so but i havent been able to get it working
document.querySelector("#testselector").addEventListener("mouseover", () => {
document.querySelector("#testselector").classList.add("testsuccess");
});
lemme check what event listener returns hold on
also @hot pulsar here.
as you replied something
jovial island
That's not the same element, though
gusty rivet
i guess, still that feels sloppy to me, i would have thought there would be some way to reference the element that has the listener on it
jovial island
we get event and by event we can get source
hot pulsar
probably can, you probably dont want an anon function
jovial island
Oh, I meant the element in the first and second screenshot are not the same element
hot pulsar
yes, they are
jovial island
Hmm
jovial island
<@456226577798135808>
i wanna do this without having to repeat the query select...
Oh, a class was added; that explains the missing class
gusty rivet
we get event and by event we can get source
is event passed into the arrow function?
gusty rivet
just console logged event, seems like it has event.target so I'll try that
Success!!!
jovial island
temp1.addEventListener('mouseover', event => {
var source = event.target || event.srcElement;
console.log('hey', source)
})
thats it
there's a reason why || lemme see
dusky cliff
if target is undefined it takes the srcElement ig
jovial island
if target is undefined it takes the srcElement ig
yeah that is implied ofc
odd sphinx
ye
gusty rivet
seems odd that the target could be undefined, i thought it would be the queried element at temp1? or is it when there are multiple elements at temp1 eg a class selection
jovial island
seems odd that the target could be undefined, i thought it would be the queried ...
yeah im searching why did they put both
we got the solN but not 100% answer
gusty rivet
is it that srcElement would be the element that triggered the event, whereas target would be the selector element
jovial island
.srcElement is deprecated
Initially implemented in Internet Explorer, Event.srcElement is a [non-standard] alias (defined in the DOM Standard but flagged as "historical") for the Event.target property.
hot pulsar
your issue i think is your anon function use
it doesnt bind this
you need to not use an anon function so 'this' is the div rather than the page or smthg
gusty rivet
ohhhhh
hot pulsar
dont need event.target or anything tho
gusty rivet
i forgot that arrow functions reference this of the nearest parent function
jovial island
@hot pulsar how?
gusty rivet
rather than binding their own this
jovial island
i forgot that arrow functions reference `this` of the nearest parent function
yeah arrows are quite different
hot pulsar
i linked it
gusty rivet
yeah arrows are quite different
theyre like python lambdas, except way better than python lambdas
jovial island
oh yeah you're not using arrow thats why
hot pulsar
you dont have to make a whole new function saved if u want you can just put it all in the event
document.querySelector('.class').addEventListener('mouseover', function mouseover() {
this.classList.add('hi')
});```i like making new func just in case u wanna use it again tho but ye
jovial island
you can still bind this if you wonna use fn but that'd be overkill
jovial island
you dont have to make a whole new function saved if u want you can just put it a...
Oh, yeah
gusty rivet
you dont have to make a whole new function saved if u want you can just put it a...
i'll probably do event.target.classList... in an arrow function, personal preference. your solutions work just as well
jovial island
it doesnt seem to work on googles site tho
returns null right?
hot pulsar
i cant get it to add it to the div of the text on googole
jovial island
i cant get it to add it to the div of the text on googole
same i tried too lol
jovial island
docu.queryselector will return null
jovial island
oh its giving
jovial island
Probably close and re-open the Developer Tools?
dusky cliff
you dont have to make a whole new function saved if u want you can just put it a...
wait you can define functions and pass it as an arg at the same time like that?
jovial island
working in mine
document.getElementById('aa').addEventListener('mouseover', (e) => {console.log(e)})
tho i used by id, but doesnt matter its html element
MouseEventΒ {isTrusted: true, screenX: 274, screenY: 199, clientX: 272, clientY: 128,Β β¦}
hot pulsar
ohhh im dumb
it only grabs the very first one
i forgot how query selector works LOL
jovial island
wait you can define functions and pass it as an arg at the same time like that?
yeah, anonymous fns
jovial island
Ah, there it is
hot pulsar
yea u gotta do the query all if you want a list of everything
selector is just the very first element that matches π
hot pulsar
wait you can define functions and pass it as an arg at the same time like that?
ya this is js
its all about callbacks and shit
jovial island
its all about callbacks and shit
eh, promises too!
hot pulsar
gross
hot pulsar
i prefer the sugar of async/await over promises
jovial island
purest form of love
jovial island
() => {}
odd sphinx
bruh
hot pulsar
uwu
jovial island
I would personally say async/await is still readable
hot pulsar
not sure how you can argue that async/await is anything but readable. its very python esque
line by line, this then that
jovial island
Yeah
its kinda opinion thing, thats why i don't debate over both.
but async await it too flat
hot pulsar
const makeRequest = () => {
return getJSON()
.then(data => {
if (data.needsAnotherRequest) {
return makeAnotherRequest(data)
.then(moreData => {
console.log(moreData)
return moreData
})
} else {
console.log(data)
return data
}
})
}``` not sure how you can prefer this ^^ over this vv
```js
const makeRequest = async () => {
const data = await getJSON()
if (data.needsAnotherRequest) {
const moreData = await makeAnotherRequest(data);
console.log(moreData)
return moreData
} else {
console.log(data)
return data
}
}```like yes, its more flat. i see your point you are right
jovial island
can't help but i like 1st way better.
hot pulsar
flat is love ?
odd sphinx
in some cases no
hot pulsar
i have no clue what im in when im in that middle console.log, how many am i deep, callback hell!!
jovial island
no flat is does not give handling on top view, promise gives nice top view
you can read without going in so much details if needed
hot pulsar
handlling eh?
const makeRequest = () => {
try {
getJSON()
.then(result => {
// this parse may fail
const data = JSON.parse(result)
console.log(data)
})
// uncomment this block to handle asynchronous errors
// .catch((err) => {
// console.log(err)
// })
} catch (err) {
console.log(err)
}``` promise ^, async v
```js
const makeRequest = async () => {
try {
// this parse may fail
const data = JSON.parse(await getJSON())
console.log(data)
} catch (err) {
console.log(err)
}
}```while in async await you need to find
dusky cliff
yeah ik you can pass functions like
mainFunc(()=>{callback shiz})
but
didn't know
mainFunc(function callback(){callback shiz})
is valid too
hot pulsar
to be fair, i think that example is a bit loaded to make it biased. they put in a lot tof comments on the top
jovial island
yeah ik you can pass functions like
```js
mainFunc(()=>{callback shiz})
```
but
...
yeah both function() and () => are different, function() is from a long time actually
odd sphinx
wats the diff between function() {} and () => {}
jovial island
being a react guy i always used () => from day one in js
jovial island
wats the diff between `function() {}` and `() => {}`
this
dusky cliff
^
odd sphinx
never understood this
hot pulsar
theres still time in react to not use ()
odd sphinx
in js
hot pulsar
i may or may not have that bookmarked and slowly read it to keep reminding myself
the main issue is you just need to keep track of what 'this' refers to, and thats why you need to use both anon functions () => and the older normal function name() {}
anon doesnt show up in call stack and doesnt bind this to it
so this will refer to whatever is the object above that function
wheat aurora
Wheeee ActiveClient needs to be updated before I can do literally anything. Today's off to a productive start -_-
dusky cliff
https://jsisweird.com was fun
I'll take it
would have got 18 but brain.exe stopped working for a second
hot pulsar
not even worth learning those man
how do you know those random things that dont matter but you dont know this !!
rigid echo
https://jsisweird.com was fun
uwu who made tis web?
dusky cliff
idk i found it on reddit
dusky cliff
lol
shrewd lance
20/25
Though I can't say I'm happy I know that
Like I'd rather not have all this in the language at all than know most of it
shrewd lance
[] not being falsey used to weird me out, but that's just how JS rolls
The only falsey things are undefined, null, empty string and 0
As well as false, obviously
odd sphinx
[] being false would be useful
shrewd lance
The truthiness of objects is basically "If it exists (i.e. is not null or undefined), it's truthy", so empty arrays are considered truthy
odd sphinx
noobscript
shrewd lance
I tripped on the trailing comma, Math.pow, misclicked on true++ (lol), null+0 and something else, I forget what
odd sphinx
true++ π
shrewd lance
Oh, and true == 'true', that one
dusky cliff
i got the true == 'true' right
shrewd lance
Funnily enough, I only figured the octal one out because I remembered python prohibits leading zeroes and demands 0o instead, and JS (unlike python) is nonsense, so it probably treats that as octal
hot pulsar
entirely solved by just not using ==
and using typescript
you can be a great coder and know all of 0 of these, because they actually dont matter
you do it to yourself lol
dusky cliff
i knew the octal thingy because i learnt it at school π
shrewd lance
TS is the relatively sane version
It doesn't relieve you of shit like this binding, but it solves most of the problems I have with it
hot pulsar
i dont find this hard tbh
but im sure i maybe just dont make complex enough applications
its simple enough on a base level, it pass through anon and it doesnt pass through non anon. ez pz pick the function type you want and it all works
odd sphinx
no
hot pulsar
yes
:^)
i mean you gotta memorize the different uses and check back if u forget but like
the concept isnt hard
you can also just manually bind if you want, const self = this and then you can use self all over and deeper and without caring about what your doing and itll work
shrewd lance
I mean, the part that broke everything for me was that I assumed doing obj.method would bind this automatically, naive, I know
It took me a while to figure out why would this be undefined when iterating over an array of "bound" methods, and then I just converted the methods to arrow functions
hot pulsar
my go to is just always use arrow functions unless i want to manually rebind this, then i use a named function. works well enough tho it may be a little bit of a naive way of doing it since that possibly hurts the stack
i mostly use node tho not web js so maybe its different. i havent really seen it hurt me yet
shrewd lance
I guess I'm just spoiled by python semantics
hot pulsar
python definitely spoils us
hot pulsar
ok
odd sphinx
lol
shrewd lance
i dont know muich js
I envy you
odd sphinx
damn
hot pulsar
yea its great lol
man i am really liking frontend ive built some super cool stuff last week or two using just html/css thus far
dusky cliff
show pics π
hot pulsar
nothing really to show, just recreating shit like googles homepage, apples homepage etc
its not functional no links work etc
i also tend to give up 2/3 of the way through so its a little janky, but i could easily do the rest if i cared to devote another 10 hours to making it look perfect
but its cool ive never done uis before
:D
hot pulsar
im running through odins frontend course on html/css https://www.theodinproject.com/paths/full-stack-javascript/courses/html-and-css
hot pulsar
i mean, idk if its the best or greatest way to learn haha, but its working for me
i can ez build non functional cause no js but looks good web pages like the major sites
js comes next
hazy laurel
Yeah, I only care for learning the basics for most things
hot pulsar
i know node but idk much about editing the document
hazy laurel
I'm a believer in "experience is everything"
hot pulsar
they have a small section on ui/ux which is what im running through right now, not learning much for this part tho
im not a creative type
hazy laurel
I really only know how to use Rocket to serve don't static files
some
beyond that β I'm clueless
hot pulsar
ah
odd sphinx
rocket
hot pulsar
π
hazy laurel
it's quite neat
shrewd lance
Tbh you don't really need a deep understanding of editing the document with JS, your framework does that for you, whether it's react, angular or vue
hot pulsar
well, i want to learn vanilla first
then move into react
i did a bit of react already its quite cool, and making the same html elements all by calling the same function twice with diff args and stuff, super sweet
hazy laurel
I've been wondering if I should eventually try out Yew
hot pulsar
but i want to be able to make a decently good page with pure vanilla and doc editing and stuff first before i hop on the ez pz ride
hazy laurel
I wanna be ambitious
shrewd lance
Technically you can do that already
Brython is a thing, and it's p good, but the load time is a little, uhhh, bad
There were some others, but brython was the most faithful one IIRC
shrewd lance
I only know the JS one
hot pulsar
i mean, maybe you technically can, but its not like 'good' yet
shrewd lance
Browser python
hazy laurel
i think I'm confusing this for an interpreter
shrewd lance
The only bone I have to pick with it is the startup time
From a dom modification standpoint, it's leagues more convenient than JS
True
hot pulsar
lmao
shrewd lance
It's treated more like a toy than a serious tool
And tbh in its current state it really is
shrewd lance
There was some weird project that was basically a python copy of react
But it didn't run on the frontend, it used a websocket to connect to the server that actually handled the script
Which was uhhhh
Bad
Interesting project otherwise
hazy laurel
I like the direction WASM is going in tbh
shrewd lance
WASM definitely has a lot of potential, I'm all for it
Yet again,
Python interpreter in WASM when
There's this, but it's the exact opposite https://github.com/ethereum/py-wasm
wide totem
what was WASM
shrewd lance
Web ASseMbly
wide totem
Web ASseMbly
does rust or typescript compile into this?
shrewd lance
Typescript doesn't need to IG
Since it compiles to JS and JS can already run in the browser
hazy laurel
performance tho
shrewd lance
Still salty that JS is the one who gets the special treatment π
wide totem
WASM is another language?
wide totem
Still salty that JS is the one who gets the special treatment π
is okay, i disable javascript from running on websites i visit
hazy laurel
it's like... binary for browsers I thought
wide totem
i mean
windows xp in browser emulators exist
but ig its not actually running in the browser
languid osprey
does rust or typescript compile into this?
IT DOES :D
Rust has built in support for it, cuz LLVM
hazy laurel
I mean eventually it's entirely possible browsers will become home to half of what you currently do
like... IDE? Sure. Games? Yuh. Other applications? Probably
languid osprey
Same
hazy laurel
Yeah, me neither... as long as browsers keep up
wide totem
Rust has built in support for it, cuz LLVM
LLVM?
languid osprey
Its a type of compiler backend
Makes it so much easier to write compilers
Many languages use it
wide totem
i see some of the tradeoffs of static typing vs language flexibilty
hazy laurel
Rust and WASM are a godly duo
languid osprey
Indeed
wide totem
Rust is what you get when you expose bare metal wafer to the C.
shrewd lance
Doesn't Kotlin compile to WASM as well
That's also a pretty pog one
Oh, nevermind then
Brainfuck's all I need
languid osprey
haha
shrewd lance
Delete the others
wide totem
Doesn't Kotlin compile to WASM as well
kotlin also compiles to js right?
so basically
shrewd lance
I think it can, yeah
shrewd lance
Technically you just need JS/TS
wide totem
ew go
languid osprey
Only rust
wide totem
That's js, ew
just write typescript and compile to js
shrewd lance
Still kinda ew ngl
wide totem
the reason i don't like go is because its made by google
shrewd lance
Like TS fixes a lot of issues with JS, but I'd much rather have... something else
languid osprey
Compile Rust to WASM, and compile the WASM to JS
wide totem
ah
wide totem
i am so glad i didn't learn react native
languid osprey
haha
wide totem
although ig, can rust be used to create mobile apps?
languid osprey
Hm, let me check
Technically, I'd guess so
You can make GUI's in Rust
And you can compile APK's with rust
wide totem
how
daring jay
React but Rust when
How?
languid osprey
I have no fucking idea
daring jay
Rust is not frontend, is it? (Without compilation)
languid osprey
You can compile it to JS
round moss
rust has frontend frameworks
languid osprey
daring jay
when you can use a Rust thing
languid osprey
Just why make React in Rust
because rust
oh yeah, rust has a similar thing, doesn't it
round moss
elm is a great language for very very few tasks
dusky cliff
Yew is ew amirite
wide totem
elm is a great language for very very few tasks
pine is better
round moss
unless you really need a working website, don't bother tbh
languid osprey
F# seems nice
round moss
it is mostly useless
languid osprey
lmao
round moss
I like it for learning functional programming due to nice errors etc
sly cipher
Yeah hold on F# is super nice
sly cipher
Isn't there also immutable js?
wide totem
is this smth that @limber pollen wrote?
round moss
pure uses purescript, but they are not the dev for it
they made type level lists for it
languid osprey
F# is functional, right?
round moss
yup
limber pollen
I write stuff in it
wide totem
yes
languid osprey
Alright, what is it good for?
wide totem
F# is functional, right?
skylark uses F#
round moss
but not as strictly purely I love math as haskell etc
languid osprey
is haskell worth learning
round moss
really depends
languid osprey
I might learn it for fun
sly cipher
The nice thing about F# is you can still play with it from the .net ecosystem
languid osprey
.net is cool
round moss
F# is nice because it has good C# interop, meaning you have enough libraries to actually get things done
sly cipher
So you can have your fun monads and TCO, but then make the calls from C#
So writing a web site, you could still host asp.net core in C#, but then write a lot of your business logic in F#
round moss
yeah, purescript is similar there
sly cipher
I'm looking that up now, that sounds interesting
round moss
you have unsafe js interop which means you don't have to deal with impure functions in purescript
wide totem
guys i went overboard on wsl
round moss
no matter how "cool" and "interesting" monad transformers may be, they really suck to get right and don't have great error reporting
wide totem
do you have wsl 2?
languid osprey
if I install apps on it, why the fuck does it take space on my C drive
wide totem
@languid osprey wsl --list -v
languid osprey
do you have wsl 2?
yes
languid osprey
<@!416345453530054657> `wsl --list -v`
Mhm
sly cipher
no matter how "cool" and "interesting" monad transformers may be, they really su...
idk, I'd say that the monads are the error reporting, at least when you're doing stuff probablistically
I think they're less academic and more practical than most people think
median blade
lol
languid osprey
lmao
wide totem
large d drive π
round moss
idk, I'd say that the monads are the error reporting, at least when you're doing...
ah no, I mean the type errors you get when code inside a monad transformer is wrong
async await are monads
sly cipher
Oooh that I get
I'm not sure what you mean with type errors, are you referring to the purescript stuff?
round moss
I only ever used monad transformers in haskell, but I can't imagine purescript being any better
median blade
guys i went overboard on wsl
sly cipher
Wow purescript is cool
sly cipher
I doubt I'll get my team to go for it, but it would be way cool to get this kind of thing rolling here
round moss
https://github.com/maiavictor/formality there is also super nerdy stuff like this
dusky cliff
so
odd sphinx
@jovial island i am here to help
dusky cliff
ok
odd sphinx
hahastinkypoop sucks at python
jovial island
wow
dusky cliff
π’
undone root
can't we use a help channel
dusky cliff
true
jovial island
nah we're fine here
dusky cliff
oh ok bro
odd sphinx
u are cooler at python
jovial island
help channel are kinda warm, no air circulation
undone root
if it's python it should really go in a help channel
dusky cliff
i was just PRANKING U
dusky cliff
w8 so are you getting a help channel
undone root
yes
odd sphinx
no pls π’
dusky cliff
lmao
jovial island
so i come from java background
so i understand scoping in simple terms
int whatever = 9;
{
int c = 9;
// yeah i know whatever
}
// what the fuck is c
while py is weird
if something:
c = 5
else:
c = 7
# WHY THE FUCK DO I KNOW c
so i mean its all global?
dusky cliff
ye, if-elses don't create their own scopes
tranquil ridge
yes
dusky cliff
neither do loops
jovial island
!e
if True:
c = 5
else:
c = 7
print(c)
yes
clever salmonBOT
@jovial island :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
5
ye
tranquil ridge
thats why you can still acess
jovial island
so there is no scoping in py?
tranquil ridge
variables in for loops
undone root
can you please use a help channel π
odd sphinx
guys
tranquil ridge
so there is no scoping in py?
functions
odd sphinx
i think we need to listen to incosnstitentet time units
undone root
incostinnuvnifhjrd
odd sphinx
yes
dusky cliff
theelz.
odd sphinx
theelz
dusky cliff
oh wait its x apparently
undone root
dab
dusky cliff
theelx
tranquil ridge
but he was a random troll on the internet
odd sphinx
lol
tranquil ridge
wym? so functions have scope?
yes like
dusky cliff
its uvuvwevwevwe onyeteneninyenve ugwemubwem osas
tranquil ridge
functions variabels are local
odd sphinx
yes
jovial island
alright so why would they do it like this?
i mean
won't it cause runtime issue?
condition = someHellaBigCondition
if condition:
a = {'b': 5}
# now to access a.b i need to even check a
who has ever written it like that for a single if statement
jovial island
who has ever written it like that for a single if statement
i did just now.
dusky cliff
js habits amirite
jovial island
yeah old habits we get the point
jovial island
python sure is weird stuff
undone root
i did just now.
so if you're the only one to do it, and you can tell there's a problem with it, why not learn the normal way
wide totem
Hello inconsistent unit time
undone root
hello time unit inconsistent
jovial island
so if you're the only one to do it, and you can tell there's a problem with it, ...
look, i come from java, so i love scoping, and to offend that i do not like something i will try to create a problem. so that is why i did. its simple straight forward.
because when we put conditions in js/java like this, we initialise
undone root
and to offend that i do not like something i will try to create a problem
sorry, i don't get what this means
jovial island
alright makes sense.
undone root
what danger noodle said
jovial island
i knew that solN i was curious about what else.
odd sphinx
ok javaer
round moss
how about
if cond:
a={'b':3}
else:
a={}
anyways thanks alot @dusky cliff @odd sphinx @tranquil ridge @thorn dragon
i dunno why but this seems weird to me, scoping is simple to understand(atleast to me) and kinda more better IMO
jovial island
how about
```py
if cond:
a={'b':3}
else:
a={}
```
yeah but again, else.
undone root
why not
a = {'b': 3} if cond else {}
because long expressions suck more than typing a variable name twice
undone root
disagree, but it's a matter of preference
undone root
or ```py
a = {}
if cond: a['b'] = 3
```
yes
jovial island
or ```py
a = {}
if cond: a['b'] = 3
```
yeah thats what i'd use more probably
jovial island
because long expressions suck more than typing a variable name twice
agreed, conditions can be long and this turnary can get ugly with that, and else comes at the end on top of that
i even sometimes just create variable for conditions if they are ugly
i mean for me
eh = .......................
if eh:
# do stuff
is better than
if ..................:
# do stuff
interesting preference
jovial island
or may be function for re usability if needed
round moss
sometimes, it does make sense to name an if condition
jovial island
indeed
yeah i do cursed stuff sometimes in c. im trying to leave those days now.
i now give more weight to readability
its alright for me to have 10 more lines if its easier to read.
odd sphinx
i now give more weight to readability
all grown up
odd sphinx
@sweet meteor the theme on my windows terminal is called material ocean
sweet meteor
<@!477723384495603713> the theme on my windows terminal is called material ocean
oooh thank you
gonna try that out
real forum
Wait you can set windows cmnd themes?
wide totem
yes
lapis yacht
Wait you can set windows cmnd themes?
Ohmyposh or something like that
odd sphinx
no
wide totem
no
wide totem
lapis yacht
Oh
lapis yacht
Ohmyposh or something like that
https://github.com/JanDeDobbeleer/oh-my-posh this for prompt customization in powershell
real forum
windows terminal
I just googled it and got it
odd sphinx
nice
wide totem
i have windows terminal preview because I'm not a "" user
sweet meteor
https://github.com/JanDeDobbeleer/oh-my-posh this for prompt customization in po...
ooh is it like an "oh-my-zsh" for ps?
wide totem
ooh is it like an "oh-my-zsh" for ps?
looks that way
wide totem
i have windows terminal preview because I'm not a "" user
i have a rule that all program names must follow.
all names must eval to true
(?:insiders?|beta|canary|dev|preview|alpha|ptb)
unless, a software does not have a beta program
lapis yacht
ooh is it like an "oh-my-zsh" for ps?
Ya
wide totem
how do the workers work for github webhook filtering?
i assume they work just like a discord url, but how is it configured?
grim seal
1sec
grim seal
how do the workers work for github webhook filtering?
is_noisy() is based on a bunch of factors
this is the full logic which condenses down into a single boolean on the last line
and then if shouldIgnore is false, it calls the github webhook endpoint of the discord api
and then all that combined returns either a 203 (Non-Authoritative Information) or a 204 (No Content), former meaning it was ignored, latter meaning it ended up at Discord
I have some charts of the events passing through actually
hmmm
also by the types of events that come from GitHub
wide totem
I have some charts of the events passing through actually
Which part of the code makes the charts?
grim seal
every request gets shipped to https://www.honeycomb.io/ through https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-honeycomb-logger
wide totem
Every worker also triggers that worker?
grim seal
no, that's a library that is used in the github worker
wide totem
Ah
pastel nest
what is this name's meaning-
languid osprey
.randomcase aren't you a core dev
cerulean panther
don't
rigid echo
Hoiio
jovial island
Sup pythoneers
cerulean panther
Sup pythoneers
sup
jovial island
whatcha doin
cerulean panther
whatcha doin
hanging around on discord
jovial island
what is the meaning of ur discord username
cerulean panther
its reversed
cerulean panther
which language is it
english.
jovial island
what are those weird symbols lol
cerulean panther
cats
jovial island
cats?
cerulean panther
yep
jovial island
how are those cats
cerulean panther
lapis yacht
how are those cats
Just like this is shrug Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
grim seal
whole condor
grim seal
my network graphs
I'm proxying all my traffic through a London server, so figured I'd set up some nice metrics while I'm at it
grim seal
I can zoom in browser and it works
grim seal
weird
that top one is probably the most boring β it's just listing how many networks I have visibility into
unreal sigil
I see them fine when I open in browser
pastel nest
`.randomcase aren't you a core dev`
challenge: shortest randcase function, takes a string as input and outputs a string
cedar turtle
hmm
languid osprey
challenge: shortest randcase function, takes a string as input and outputs a str...
Lmao
cedar turtle
lambda s: ''.join([str.lower, str.upper][randint(0,1)](x) for x in s)
omg you did the same thing as me-
pastel nest
```py
lambda s: ''.join([str.lower, str.upper][randint(0,1)](x) for x in s)
```
you need __import__("random").randint or else it's cheating lol
cedar turtle
you need `__import__("random").randint` or else it's cheating lol
ok ok
another challenge
get input from user, and print Palindrome if string is palindrome else Not Palindrome
pastel nest
i still think this can be shortened... but how
pastel nest
get input from user, and print Palindrome if string is palindrome else Not Palin...
ooh...
pastel nest
lambda s: "palindrome" if s[::-1] == s else "not palindrome" tested, works
cedar turtle
`lambda s: "palindrome" if s[::-1] == s else "not palindrome"` tested, works
you need to get the input lol
pastel nest
you need to get the input lol
oh... then lambda won't suffice
cedar turtle
oh... then lambda won't suffice
yep
dusky cliff
print("not"*(i:=input())!=i[::-1],"palindrome")
cedar turtle
`print("not"*(i:=input())!=i[::-1],"palindrome")`
noice
print(['Not Palindrome','Palindrome'][(s:=input())==s[::-1]])
``` this was my solactually, lambda works
pastel nest
`print("not"*(i:=input())!=i[::-1],"palindrome")`
omg-
cedar turtle
actually, lambda works
still not very golfy
dusky cliff
it might be != or ==, too lazy to confirm
cedar turtle
it might be != or ==, too lazy to confirm
your sol beats me
hazy laurel
lack of spaces hurts
pastel nest
still not very golfy
true, i'm still very beginner in golfing
cedar turtle
true, i'm still very beginner in golfing
i suggest don't be an expert at it haha
hazy laurel
also
pastel nest
i suggest don't be an expert at it haha
lol true
cedar turtle
can't resist the urge to golf every piece of code you write
hazy laurel
you should update your powershell :[
pastel nest
you should update your powershell :[
:D
dusky cliff
your sol beats me
π
pastel nest
gotta go now, got some work to do
cedar turtle
isn't that idle
hazy laurel
That's the Python interpreter in powershell
cedar turtle
That's the Python interpreter in powershell
pretty sure thats idle with that purple theme
hazy laurel
or... "repl" I think it's called
dusky cliff
nvm my soln missed a ()
print("not"*((i:=input())!=i[::-1]),"palindrome") works
hazy laurel
pretty sure thats idle with that purple theme
Where do you see purple?
cedar turtle
Where do you see purple?
sorry im colorblind, some bluish color
cedar turtle
and super sure powershell doesnt have syntax highlighting
hazy laurel
IDLE has a white background tho
cedar turtle
idle has themes
hazy laurel
could swear it was white
cedar turtle
you can opt for that "dark" theme
hazy laurel
hm
odd sphinx
brug
hazy laurel
I just don't use IDLE
cedar turtle
even tho i don't use idle
hazy laurel
I just go into my terminal and go ipython
dusky cliff
ipy \π
hazy laurel
yeah, I had an alias to ipy lol
cedar turtle
`ipy` \π
smort
dusky cliff
C:\Users>ipy
Python 3.9.0 (tags/v3.9.0:9cf6752, Oct 5 2020, 15:34:40) [MSC v.1927 64 bit (AMD64)]
Type 'copyright', 'credits' or 'license' for more information
IPython 7.19.0 -- An enhanced Interactive Python. Type '?' for help.
In [1]:
echo "alias ipy=ipython" >> ~/.zshrc
\π©
odd sphinx
k
upbeat sandal
@scarlet portal I'm pretty sure there isn't a single person employed as a Python instructor who can effectively teach OOP
All the people who know Python seem to teach it online for free or make YouTube videos π€·π»ββοΈ
scarlet portal
π€·π»
uneven geyser
and the error award of 2021 goes to...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/663730648627937311/852187946291691520/unknown.png
dusky cliff
burh
odd sphinx
lol
cedar turtle
and the error award of 2021 goes to...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/...
wow
copper tartan
happy birthday, @tawdry ingot, and welcome back to the community!
I dedicate this otname in your honor
!otn a patient-birthday-gargoyle
clever salmonBOT
:ok_hand: Added patient-birthday-gargoyle to the names list.
copper tartan
our most patient member ever.
dusky cliff
copper tartan
for those of you missing context, here's the backstory:
sinful sun
this is the kind of commitment we need in our lives
copper tartan
why don't we all ping @tawdry ingot and welcome them back to the community?
<@&267630620367257601> assemble! π€
hot pulsar
@tawdry ingot
copper tartan
no no. you have to write a nice welcome message.
hot pulsar
welcome
copper tartan
haha
rapid zinc
@tawdry ingot o/ welcome back
reef kayak
π @tawdry ingot
idle comet
hey @tawdry ingot welcome back
dusky cliff
wonder what it would be like to come back to 200 pings
simple harness
Welcome @tawdry ingot o/
runic junco
@tawdry ingot 
small pivot
Haha that's epic. Welcome @tawdry ingot !
mint lintel
welcome @tawdry ingot!
unreal sigil
@tawdry ingot the return of a king
keen burrow
Welcome @tawdry ingot and happy birthday!
gaunt jacinth
Jeez, hello staff, thereβs a lot of you
still dust
@tawdry ingot π₯³
round moss
welcome @tawdry ingotand welcome to the community.
normal quartz
@tawdry ingot welcome, happy birthday!
odd sphinx
gargoyle hasnt replied
idle comet
i do hope its the same person
dusky cliff
lol
odd sphinx
ur efforts are futile
compact dagger
@tawdry ingot 
small pivot
Shh, I was thinking that too
delicate lion
welcome back to the pyquack community @tawdry ingot!
dusky cliff
nah its the same person
dawn shoal
@tawdry ingot π
grim seal
Welcome, again π
peak fiber
lmao
dusky cliff
peak fiber
pretty god around here
odd sphinx
can someone tell me who gargoyle is
sturdy relic
can someone tell me who gargoyle is
he is my son
copper tartan
I wouldn't set the ping mob on someone if I wasn't sure they were the same person.
gaunt jacinth
2 owners
4 admins
Loads of helpers
Wow Iβd love to be @tawdry ingot (welcome back)
round moss
odd sphinx
wait fr?
round moss
context
solemn panther
Hey @tawdry ingot!
median blade
woah
dusky cliff
he is my son
OH
odd sphinx
understood
gaunt jacinth
Lmao
odd sphinx
gday @tawdry ingot
dusky cliff
holy
sturdy relic
and today is his birthday
normal quartz
fluid haven
Welcom π
hidden kernel
welcome @tawdry ingot !
dusky cliff
happy birthday, and welcome @tawdry ingot
normal quartz
yes. he has been waiting 3 years to join us
he said he was from scotland
mint lintel
happy birthday 
pale crypt
Happy birthday @tawdry ingot
normal quartz
serious doubt
dusky cliff
π
odd sphinx
damn if only everyone wished me happy birthday like this π
pale crypt
damn if only everyone wished me happy birthday like this π
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
gaunt jacinth
s ame
normal quartz
damn if only everyone wished me happy birthday like this π
tell us when it's your birthday then
idle comet
pydis birthday calendar when?
odd sphinx
im just kidding
dusky cliff
just wish him now
sturdy relic
he said he was from scotland
we where in scotland, his english was not all that well developed
normal quartz
then we can all wish you happy birthday @odd sphinx
odd sphinx
alright
median blade
lmao
odd sphinx
its july 14
sturdy relic
at europycon
odd sphinx
better wish me then π«
jovial island
hbd zee!
odd sphinx
or there will be problems
gaunt jacinth
.bm 852212146208899073
normal quartz
its july 14
mods can y'all set a reminder for this
gaunt jacinth
Lmao I plan on it @odd sphinx
odd sphinx
just realized its june
dusky cliff
pydis birthday calendar when?
with 200k members, that'an average of ~550 birthdays everyday
odd sphinx
with 200k members, that'an average of ~550 birthdays everyday
holy
idle comet
does !remind work with a date
hazy laurel
wow. it's 6/9
odd sphinx
lmao
sturdy relic
does !remind work with a date
probably