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#ot2-the-original-pubsta
echo fern
echo fern
ah, I see
the thing is, despite Hsv being Hsv<T=Srgb,...> by default, that's not the Srgb I'm using
it's a different struct also named Srgb
dusky cliff
bruh
echo fern
Hsv<_,f32> it is then
okay, no problems on this line anymore, now to solve this
how the hell do I turn it into rgb
ah, there we go, fixed the second line by making the first one stop working
dusky cliff
echo fern
IT COMPILES YES
@odd sphinxdefinitely not right with the colors
not sure how I messed up tho
what the hell..
odd sphinx
<@!398429963990335489>definitely not right with the colors
lol
shouldnt hue just be iter/max_iter
echo fern
oooh, I get the problem now I think
odd sphinx
what is it
echo fern
hue doesn't go from 0 to 1 here, I think
echo fern
because HSV is like that, and that's how they decided to implement it
what I'm doing here is actually very inefficient, but
it shouldn't matter compared to the calculation of the fractal itself
like, that part is hundreds of complex128 multiplications per pixel.
odd sphinx
dang
dusky cliff
dang
echo fern
building...
odd sphinx
mmm
echo fern
please give me a rainbow fractal
odd sphinx
lol
echo fern
poggers!
dusky cliff
nice
echo fern
echo fern
that's with 32 shades
echo fern
not at all, it only matters here
let color: f32 = (iter as u8 % shades_max) as f32 / shades_max as f32 * 360f32; // hue in degrees
the thing is, for the grayscale one, using too many shades simply made it way too dark
but here, I might want to remove that functionality entirely
echo fern
101 shades (as many as there are possible iterations)
I'm not too sure how I want to color it
maybe iter/max_iters*180, so that it the longest to diverge are rotated 180 degrees to the shortest?...
odd sphinx
now thats entirely ur wish
echo fern
playing with the hue span now
don't think I like this hot pink as the background lol
(that's hue of zero at saturation of 0.5, apparently)
odd sphinx
bruh how about this
two sliders that adjust the saturation and lightness
at the top right or wherever
then u dont have to keep building
for different colours
echo fern
I plan to, yes
odd sphinx
epic
echo fern
pub fn calculate_mandelbrot_colored(
x_min: F,
x_max: F,
y_min: F,
y_max: F,
width: u32,
height: u32,
max_iters: u32,
horison: F,
from_angle: f32,
to_angle: f32,
saturation: f32,
) -> Array3<u8> {
is the current signature
odd sphinx
hot damn its getting complex
echo fern
here's saturation of 1, angles from 0 to 300
odd sphinx
interesting
u can put the image in ur repo
and then link to it with markdown image syntax
dusky cliff
here's saturation of 1, angles from 0 to 300
this colour scheme looks familiar
some video thumbnail? idk
echo fern
Yup; the syntax is , like:
can't remember aaaa
odd sphinx
lol
echo fern
lmao
I can probably even tell the horizon by that image if I try
guess mandelbrot visualizers are all the same
odd sphinx
lol
dusky cliff
pro
tribal tinsel
The birdie wants too much attention
On the other hand, kitties are sleepy and -more importantly- silent
daring jay
awww
radiant socket
:o
tranquil ridge
jovial island
not cute
languid osprey
On the other hand, kitties are sleepy and -more importantly- silent
Awwwww
cerulean panther
On the other hand, kitties are sleepy and -more importantly- silent
awww
tribal tinsel
tranquil ridge
wont the cat attack it?
tribal tinsel
Well, catto didn't attack the birdie then
tribal tinsel
But when I got birdie back on my and it was moving, catto's instincts kicked in and started observing
languid osprey
cool
tribal tinsel
Where'd you get the bird?
I should copy it somewhere XD I explained it over and over again XD
dim root
Soo cute 🥰
wide totem
Does anyone here have a security key?
Been looking at getting the 5C NFC from yubico
But it doesn't have a way to lock itself with biometrics or pin code
odd sphinx
i predict a nodejs question
daring jay
The node question was in #ot0-fear-of-python
jovial island
wow
hot pulsar
its ok you are cool and epic
hot pulsar
np bro
jovial island
jk
odd sphinx
bruh
wide totem
I predict that my question got ignored 🧯
hot pulsar
I predict that my question got ignored 🧯
what q?
hot pulsar
then i will rename myself
to what?
odd sphinx
yes
jovial island
wow
wide totem
Does anyone here have a security key?
Right here, right before z.... Sent a msg about node js
wide totem
It's only the third server I've asked that question in w/out resp smh
Does anyone here have a security key?
Been looking at getting the 5C NFC from yubico
But it doesn't have a way to lock itself with biometrics or pin code
grim seal
> Been looking at getting the 5C NFC from yubico
5C NFC is good
grim seal
> But it doesn't have a way to lock itself with biometrics or pin code
do that with your phone or laptop
grim seal
the security key is an additional security factor
I combine a security key + biometric + password
for getting into my device
wide totem
Ah
grim seal
SSHing into my servers is the same, except no password, a biometric, security key and 2FA generated from mobile
PyDis stuff is similar
wide totem
How tf do you set that up
wide totem
SSHing into my servers is the same, except no password, a biometric, security ke...
How do you set a security key over ssh
grim seal
lol
wide totem
Like so it's used over ssh
odd sphinx
joe.
halcyon tiger
I dont remember
odd sphinx
ikr
halcyon tiger
zeeshan is a gamer now
languid osprey
oh yeah, I saw that
odd sphinx
yea ive heard abt this
languid osprey
on reddit
odd sphinx
how do they plan on replacing it
wide totem
https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attestation-of-personhood/
This is what invoked me to get one
I haven't gotten it yet still looking
dusky cliff
Humanity wastes about 500 years per day on CAPTCHAs.
I mean
that's not really a good metric is it
odd sphinx
ah security keys
dusky cliff
considering that there are like 7 billion humans
each of them living 24 hours
that's 168 billion years everyday
languid osprey
whoah
languid osprey
168 billion years happen in a day
grim seal
> Humanity wastes about 500 years per day on CAPTCHAs.
I mean
that's not really...
it's marketing lol
dusky cliff
¯_(ツ)_/¯
grim seal
how do they plan on replacing it
instead of using captcha solves your security key runs a cryptographic challenge
languid osprey
I want to live 168 billion years in a day
wide totem
5C NFC is good
So u have that one lol
right?
Also I herd getting 2 security keys is recommended and setting up both with everything
grim seal
that's good for backing up
I'll be honest I don't know which one I have lol
Work gave me a few
wide totem
Damn
daring jay
https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attestation-of-personhood/
They say that and then they make you do a captcha to log in
wide totem
that's good for backing up
do you have two?
wide totem
They say that and then they make you do a captcha to log in
not for me
daring jay
They do for me
jovial island
hey guys could someone help me out with a code?
stiff shadow
https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attestation-of-personhood/
bro this is cool as hell 
wide totem
ngl the first time i viewed that i thought it was a joke
fresh jackal
i thought the point of captcha (or part of it) was to prove that the user is a human?
how does a security key do this?
gaunt jacinth
lol i did the maths an it equates to about 466 years per day (given their data)
a pretty generous round up there
hazy laurel
Well
If people do encounter a captcha every 10 days... and instead of doing the captcha worked for 30 seconds
that's $200 per year minimum wage
and with a key costing only $45
... profit, yeah? lol
native cobalt
well, xeon is a workstation kind of cpu, so it really depends on what you're doing
like, are you looking for gaming, rendering, streaming?
well for gaming, you really don't need that many cores
and rendering is a GPU task more often than not
so, I say that it might not be for you, since you won't take full advantage of all 72 cores that well
hell yeah
viral hare
apollo flew on mega hertz lvl cpus
just cpus that tick much slower than what normal cpus tick today
native cobalt
you mean the apollo missions mate?
viral hare
yeah
native cobalt
1960s cpu build lmfao
native cobalt
the people generally lean to amd because of ryzen and how that shit decimated for like six years now
but intel is not bad
viral hare
apple silicon gonna be new meta
native cobalt
like, pick whatever reaches your standards and is cheaper
viral hare
just waiting it out to see the actual stats
native cobalt
though, i'll never really buy an apple product
unless it's just there and convinent
viral hare
i think its actually going to be a true risc chip
native cobalt
well, hackintoshes were a thing for a while, though iirc i don't think the new interals is gonna work like that lol
¯_(ツ)_/¯
viral hare
thought it was about hardware specs rather than os
native cobalt
specs wise, I dunno
i don't keep up with apple releases
all I know was that intel 11th gen was ass
viral hare
i mean intel has been in the chip business for a while and apple just kinda started
hazy laurel
Apple :/
blissful coral
maybe not, because you forget apple is integrated - so pretty much any benchmark you use is kinda unfair and biased towards apple
they do ofc, but it's simply that Apple benchmarks would always outperform windows benchmarks on the same hardware due to the integrated nature
blissful coral
exactly
so in all scenarios, apple's stuff would constantly be more power efficient, and give less performance AND produce less heat. it's as unbeatable as gravity
they are not specifically designed; windows is able to run at every Intel, AMD architecture. but the price comes in efficience,heat, performance etc. Apple on the other hand optimize software for each of their chips hence performing better
reef wind
hi, i am using digital ocean to host a discord.py bot
so i used tmux to run it after connecting to the droplit
it was working fine i assume
then i wanted to upload new changes to the files
so i deleted the session from tmux and made a new one
but now it only runs some files from the cogs
and completely ignore the others
blissful coral
no lol
viral hare
unemployment gang lets goo
languid osprey
Lol
viral hare
bureaucracy go brrrrr
languid osprey
Joe loves golang huh
delicate lion
joelang 👀
dusky cliff
👀
unreal sigil
Little did you know, that golang is just a fork of joelang
cerulean panther
lol
wide totem
👀
languid osprey
Little did you know, that golang is just a fork of joelang
Lmao
wide totem
languid osprey
What's it even good for?
I have no idea
Just use Rust
I'm pretty sure golang is used in webdev and and async shit
hazy laurel
Is this modmail?
wide totem
hazy laurel
I think reverse the colors, it may look a bit better
wide totem
probably will later
hazy laurel
I'm pretty sure golang is used in webdev and and async shit
if only Rust was good at that... oh wait
wide totem
i had to learn gimp to do that lmao
languid osprey
if only Rust was good at that... oh wait
Haha
hazy laurel
GIMP is wack lol
wide totem
and fwiw this is actually a custom image here
wide totem
https://github.com/onerandomusername/modmail/
this is not what the repo normally shows
as you can see
languid osprey
Same here
wide totem
lmao
woven hornet
for (int i = 1; i <= n; i++) {
result += jump(n - i);
}```does this give jump(-1) + jump(0) + jump(1) + jump(2) + ... jump(n-1)
because the loops stops at i = n+1?
since jump(x<0) returns 0
would it be equivalent if i do
for (int i = 0; i < n-1; i++){
result += jump(i);
}```the last iteration will be with i = n and then it'll stop
dusky cliff
since `jump(x<0) returns 0`
would it be equivalent if i do
```java
for (int i =...
no
<= n and < n - 1 are not same
< n and <= n - 1 are same
(for ints)
odd sphinx
Ok
woven hornet
the last iteration will be with `i = n` and then it'll stop
but when i tried to print for (int i = 0; i < 4; i++), it prints 4 times
dusky cliff
yes
odd sphinx
which is four numbers
woven hornet
oh yea
dusky cliff
true
woven hornet
so if i dont like indexing to start from zero, i want to loop x times i do
for (int i = 1; i <= x; i = i+1)
even tho it's not the norm
cuz its cringe?
dusky cliff
if you're looping through an array use a for each loop
odd sphinx
oh ight
dusky cliff
for (int x: arr) {
System.out.println(x);
}
🤔
woven hornet
why didnt they just use i
odd sphinx
n is probaly the length of the array
dusky cliff
n is the no. of times to loop
woven hornet
```java
for (int i = 1; i <= n; i++) {
result += jump(n - i);
}...
wait i dont get what yall mean exactly
like here we just want jump(n-1) + jump(n-2) + ... jump(0)
odd sphinx
where did u define n
dusky cliff
like here we just want jump(n-1) + jump(n-2) + ... jump(0)
yes
that's what will happen
woven hornet
oh i get it
dusky cliff
nice
odd sphinx
ye
austere oak
On Linux, on the file system, you can’t have any of a file name’s bytes be equal to 0 (\0 character) or 47 (/ character). Does Windows have something similar? Does it not allow any of its byte pairs to be equal to 92 (\ character) ?
dusky cliff
not really what you were asking but I remember you can't name a file/folder CON
there's also
wide totem
fuck lol
i just made a pr that's impossible to commit unless
i trigger the workflow with a useless commit
or a force push
smh
hazy laurel
On Linux, on the file system, you can’t have any of a file name’s bytes be equal...
The limitation is based on file system, not operating system
"In Win32 namespace: any UTF-16 code unit (case-insensitive) except /\:*"?<>| as well as NUL[7]
In POSIX namespace: any UTF-16 code unit (case-sensitive) except / as well as NUL"
As for ext4:
"All bytes except NUL ('\0') and '/' and the special file names "." and ".." which are not forbidden but are always used for a respective special purpose."
and btrfs:
"All except '/' and NUL ('\0')"
Ok, so it can’t?
It can’t have a 4 byte character where one of the pairs of bytes is equal to one of those illegal values?
round moss
Windows filenames are utf16
hazy laurel
```
"In Win32 namespace: any UTF-16 code unit (case-insensitive) except /\:*"?<>...
(as can be seen here)
round moss
So you can have the byte as long as it isn't the character
austere oak
So even if a pair of bytes is part of a 4 byte character, if it’s one of those values, it’s not allowed?
hazy laurel
So even if a pair of bytes is part of a 4 byte character, if it’s one of those v...
if the 16-byte sequence decodes to any of the above forbidden symbols, then it is not allowed
austere oak
Ok, but it’s not like ext4 where it’s not allowed even if it’s part of a wider character?
hazy laurel
Ok, but it’s not like ext4 where it’s not allowed even if it’s part of a wider c...
ext4 doesn't do that \🤔
wait... maybe it does
what's the character
austere oak
It seems like it’s saying Linux does it, not the file system
So Windows doesn’t have that happen regardless of what file system you’re using?
hazy laurel
It seems like it’s saying Linux does it, not the file system
It's definitely the file system
ext4 says "any byte but / and \0" basically
so any sequence just cannot contain those specific bytes
austere oak
Alright
Also, in utf-16, does it say the next character is going to be 4 bytes large by setting the first bit of a pair of bytes to 1? Or does it not work like that?
round moss
it will have one of the surrogate codepoints, of which there are 2048
austere oak
So if the first 10 bits of either pair of bytes are within those ranges, it’s a 32 bit character?
round moss
of the first pair of bytes afaik
austere oak
you mean because that’s the first pair that gets read?
jovial island
hey
guys
i am unable to use DTS X Ultra in my laptop
it's got preinstalled
ith my laptop
austere oak
Does that mean if you’re looking through the byte pairs of UTF-16 text for a specific 2 byte character, there’s no reason you have to check anything except each individual byte pair?
Because it will only be part of a 4 byte character if it has one of those reserved values as its first 10 bits?
near falcon
@sturdy relic
sturdy relic
@hollow marsh
sturdy relic
<@!172395097705414656>
right.. so lets get one thing out in the open
what does legal mean?
near falcon
ok\
sturdy relic
do you know?
sturdy relic
right, so what does illegal mean?
hollow marsh
Which means?
near falcon
right, so what does illegal mean?
its not legal to do it
soft quiver
recursion!
near falcon
hehehe
sturdy relic
it means there is a law in your country that governs if the goverment can punish you
near falcon
but it cant be about place can it? its youtube tos right?
sturdy relic
the government uses prison as a punishment for breaking the law
sturdy relic
but it cant be about place can it? its youtube tos right?
lets not go there just yet
near falcon
ok
sturdy relic
so when you break a law in the US ( lets be US centric since youtube is located in the US)
near falcon
mhm
sturdy relic
the police can arrest you and the goverment can punish you
this is all normal and easy
so lets involve a private company into the mix
a privat company can not punish you, only the government can
near falcon
but they can ip ban
sturdy relic
but a private company can limit your rights while you are on their service/place/location
near falcon
so you cant watch youtube :((
near falcon
but a private company can limit your rights while you are on their service/place...
yes
sturdy relic
so what you do before you access youtube is to make a civil (not government) contract with youtube
this contract tells you what you must do to use their platform
near falcon
hmm i dont remember
sturdy relic
its a private contract you signed and agreed to follow when you started using youtube
near falcon
if you go to youtube from a random comp (without logging in) it goes straight to youtube?
sturdy relic
if you go to youtube from a random comp (without logging in) it goes straight t...
no
near falcon
it doesnt?
sturdy relic
they must all love youtube then lol
this is just standard
you sign a contract before use
so here is the kicker
this contract may limit what you can do as a private company they can
near falcon
never seen this site in my life https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms
sturdy relic
never seen this site in my life https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms
you have, if you have used youtube you have already agreed to it
this is what it looks like if you open youtube in an incognito window
ok.. so a private company can an will make their own rules on what is allowed to do
near falcon
hmm ok
sturdy relic
this does not mean breaking this contract is illegal
but, youtube can sue you and take you to court
a civil court, not a criminal court
now the question of legality
hollow marsh
~~We'll get the the criminal side later 
~~
sturdy relic
breaking a contract might be, depending on where you live or in the us, what state you live in
be illegal
even if its a private contract
then secondly, streaming music
if you stream music without permission, that means you dont have a broadcasting permission, that might be illegal
near falcon
mgiht be?
sturdy relic
if you break copyright for the music you steal from youtube, by downloading it explicitly, that is illegal
sturdy relic
mgiht be?
yes, because it depends on your local law
so you can be in a case where you have
sturdy relic
whcih countries
i dont know, im not a lawyer, this is not legal advice
sturdy relic
if you only want to download it to listen idk without wifi
you buy youtube premium for this
near falcon
hmm im still not close to an answer
near falcon
you buy youtube premium for this
poor:(
sturdy relic
hmm im still not close to an answer
im getting there
sturdy relic
you might be in a possision erher you break the following
sturdy relic
its not free
thats beside the point
near falcon
ok continue
sturdy relic
contract breaking
copyright infringement
broadcasting without permission
this are the things the government can punish you for
near falcon
let me guess all of them are 1000 lines?
sturdy relic
i dont remember the exact number, but around 10-15 years in prison i think is the total range
hollow marsh
Generally alot more but thats up to you to be aware of
sturdy relic
then youtube can civil sue you, and the price for this is rediculus, we are talking 10-50 million dollars easily
near falcon
ik its not broadcasting without permission or copyright infringement so tell me the first one
hollow marsh
Well it is technically
sturdy relic
ik its not `broadcasting without permission` or `copyright infringement` so tell...
if you copy music from youtube your breaking copyright
sturdy relic
copyright?
yes, your not the owner of it
hollow marsh
If you share that audio with anyone other than yourself you're technically broadcasting / redistributing without permission
sturdy relic
but im literally only to watch it offline
thats breaking copyright
it does not matter what your intent is
near falcon
If you share that audio with anyone other than yourself you're technically broad...
its for myself
near falcon
thats breaking copyright
so why is it maybe illegal instead of illegal
sturdy relic
your intent not to "harm anyone" is not the point here.
sturdy relic
so why is it maybe illegal instead of illegal
breaking copyright is illegal
near falcon
so basically its illegal?
sturdy relic
so basically its illegal?
yes, breaking copyright is always illegal, but there are ways to use copyright material without breaking copyright
thats its own chapter, and not what your asking about
near falcon
yes, breaking copyright is always illegal, but there are ways to use copyright m...
but you said you dont care how i use it
if i watch it offline
/listen
sturdy relic
if you want to watch something from youtube offline, you have to by premium
if you copy the content from their site, your breaking the copyright, and that is illeagal
near falcon
if you want to watch something from youtube offline, you have to by premium
and if you dont buy its always illegal?
hollow marsh
and / or you have to directly buy off the rightholder
dusky cliff
if you made a video on content that is copyrighted, commenting on it, criticising it, that is fair use and legal
sturdy relic
and if you dont buy its always illegal?
for youtube, yes
sturdy relic
if you made a video on content that is copyrighted, commenting on it, criticisin...
fair use is not easy to grasp, people use it wrong all the time
near falcon
if you made a video on content that is copyrighted, commenting on it, criticisin...
and just watching is illegal..
hollow marsh
Fair use is much much more complicated than people think
sturdy relic
lets not mix in fair use here
dusky cliff
aight
sturdy relic
fair use is a way to use copyrighted material without asking for permission, its way beyond the scope of this conversation
near falcon
is listening to it offline in fair use?
sturdy relic
is listening to it offline in fair use?
no, fair use is something else, not relevant to this discussion
near falcon
ok
sturdy relic
your focusing on the wrong thing @near falcon
near falcon
whats that
sturdy relic
its not about listing to music offline or online, its about if you own the right to do so or not
near falcon
so yes or no
sturdy relic
and you do not have the right to do so without paying for this right on youtbe
sturdy relic
so no
correct, it breaks the contract you have with youtube and as we have discussed, might break the law as well
near falcon
without paying its illegal? period?
ok so things like pytube and discord bot Rythm
and does the same go for adblocker?
sturdy relic
you are asking a loaded question now
near falcon
so it can exist
sturdy relic
let me make a analogy
hollow marsh
Pytube is TOS breaking and generally depending on the video / audio can be illegal.
Discord Bots break ToS, and are pretty much always Illegal in terms of copyright
sturdy relic
lets say i own a house
near falcon
why dont YouTube sue them
sturdy relic
why dont YouTube sue them
they do , and have
near falcon
lets say i own a house
ok
sturdy relic
and they have lost.. more on that later
near falcon
and they have lost.. more on that later
??
sturdy relic
ok.. back to my house
near falcon
ok
odd sphinx
yes
sturdy relic
i loced the door and i lost my key
so i go and buy a tool to open the door.
a lockpicking tool
i open the door an everything is well
near falcon
but its your house you can destroy it all you want?
sturdy relic
now, is the lockpicking tool illegal?
near falcon
but its your house?
near falcon
its illegal if u use it for other houses?
sturdy relic
the tool itself is not, but yes, if i use it to open another house then that is a crime
near falcon
but since its your house
sturdy relic
youtube-dl is a tool
sturdy relic
you dont own anything on youtube, so you are not allowed to use it to get something on youtube
near falcon
what do u use it for then
sturdy relic
what do u use it for then
why do bulgurars break into house using a lockpick?
because they do not care about rules and the law
same with people that does this to youtube
near falcon
well lockpicks can be used to unlock your house so thats legal thats what lockpicks r for
but what is pytube for?
downloading your own videos?
why cant you just download it on youtube
dont tell me youtube disallows downloading your own video
sturdy relic
dont tell me youtube disallows downloading your own video
it does
near falcon
wait
hollow marsh
From their platform yes they dont allow that
odd sphinx
theres a button for downloading ur own videos i think
near falcon
bruh
hollow marsh
because you're scraping their services
near falcon
but then pytube is still ilegal?
sturdy relic
you are only allowed to download them using their tools
sturdy relic
why can you not download what you uploaded
youtubes contract say you cannot use any tools outside what youtube gives you
odd sphinx
why can you not download what you uploaded
pretty sure youtube already lets u download ur own videos
sturdy relic
usage of it is illegal
it might be illegal yes.
near falcon
so using pytube is ilegal
odd sphinx
mkbhd showed us that u can download ur own videos in a lower resolution
sturdy relic
so using pytube is ilegal
no, why would it be illegal?
hollow marsh
the tool is not illegal
hollow marsh
what you do with it can be illegal
near falcon
so watching it is illegal jsut bec its not on the platform?
sturdy relic
bec your copyright?
yes, if you break copyright, then you have done something illegal, but what tool you use does not matter
near falcon
is that it?
sturdy relic
so watching it is illegal jsut bec its not on the platform?
correct
hollow marsh
If you shoot someone with a gun do you blame the gun or the person operating the gun
near falcon
but youtube allows downloading with premium in which case you can watch on computer
which is not their plaform
hollow marsh
yes
sturdy relic
which is not their plaform
it is
near falcon
but how is that legal
sturdy relic
but how is that legal
your mixing things now
hollow marsh
you pay youtube for the rights to download the content temporarily
near falcon
sorry lol'
sturdy relic
so.. lets do only this thing
near falcon
you pay youtube for the rights to download the content temporarily
ok and? you need to delete it after you watch it?
sturdy relic
when you pay for youtube preminum, you have access to download video and music to your device using the youtube app (an no other)
and it will be deleted after 30 days
near falcon
when you pay for youtube preminum, you have access to download video and music t...
its not mp4?
how does it get deleted
sturdy relic
how does it get deleted
youtube deletes it
hollow marsh
App controls it
sturdy relic
it is encrypted and you cannot access it without the youtube app
near falcon
youtube deletes it
oh so you cant download on device
sturdy relic
oh so you cant download on device
you download it to your device
sturdy relic
but if you download it to your device they cant delete it?
sure they can, only the youtube app have access to it
you cant access the music or video that you download
only trough the app
near falcon
ah
hollow marsh
https://www.copyright.gov/title17/title17.pdf Covers every situation really and regards to how it works if you want a more indepth reasoning :P
near falcon
does the app work offline
sturdy relic
does the app work offline
yes, offline you get only access to stuff you have downloaded
hollow marsh
yes because the app is downloaded on your computer
near falcon
cant you break it then? lmao
hollow marsh
you can, but thats considerably harder than people think
sturdy relic
cant you break it then? lmao
people have tried, but you only have 30 days to break it, so its probably to hard to care
near falcon
people have tried, but you only have 30 days to break it, so its probably to har...
"only 30days"
so what you need a year
you can connect to the internet and download it again
hollow marsh
The encryption changes every 30 days lol
near falcon
The encryption changes every 30 days lol
wow
so if u change the system time to like 10 days back how does it know
sturdy relic
so if u change the system time to like 10 days back how does it know
does not work like that
near falcon
that you still have only 30
radiant socket
because it doesn't use your system time
hollow marsh
It uses the time wrapped in the cipher
sturdy relic
its offline
you need to be online when you download it
near falcon
yes but for 30 days its offline how does it know its 30 days without using the system time?
if you fully turn off the computer
does it freeze?
i dont understand
hollow marsh
well if you fully turn off your computer
near falcon
the time must be saved somewhere then
hollow marsh
you cant use it
sturdy relic
yes but for 30 days its offline how does it know its 30 days without using the s...
its very hard to easily explain time ciphers
sturdy relic
the time must be saved somewhere then
its saved in the file
radiant socket
your motherboard has a battery to maintain the time
near falcon
and the file? its encrypted?
hollow marsh
yes...
sturdy relic
and the file? its encrypted?
yes
near falcon
you cant decrypt it?
sturdy relic
you cant decrypt it?
nope
hollow marsh
sure you can
near falcon
??
sturdy relic
well
sturdy relic
yeah.. 30 days.. but y ou need like 100 years of computer time
hollow marsh
so its 30 days to essentially disassemble the app and work out how it works before it changes again :P
near falcon
so if u decrypt once and make it change the time then you have it forever offline?
hollow marsh
no
near falcon
how then
near falcon
and also brute forcing is pretty much impossible
didnt ppl try with multiple devices?
hollow marsh
so its 30 days to essentially disassemble the app and work out how it works before it changes again :P
Once you know how the encryption works you have to decrypt it and create a copy without copying the metadata that can let the app track for copies
sturdy relic
so if you buy 300_000 RTX 3090, you can brute force it. but then you have spend a gazzilion dollars for breaking one 3 minute long song you can buy online for 3 USD
im a bit facetious with my numbers here..
near falcon
hm
hollow marsh
If the system was simple, people would already be doing it 
near falcon
but then if you break it does that mean you can use it offline for more than 30 days?
y/n
hollow marsh
yes if you handle it well enough
sturdy relic
but then if you break it does that mean you can use it offline for more than 30 ...
sure, but then you have broken the encryption, that is not legal
hollow marsh
but I dont think anyone really has the skill to do that in 30 days
near falcon
sure, but then you have broken the encryption, that is not legal
beside the point
wait but after 30 days pass and your still ofline
sturdy relic
beside the point
well.. yes, but the point is mute
sturdy relic
the file you can still brute force?
your asking about encryption breaking, thats far beyond the orignal question about contract breaking and legal issues
near falcon
your asking about encryption breaking, thats far beyond the orignal question abo...
and
sturdy relic
you can brute force break any encryption given enough time
youtube and google tends to use cyphers that has a time-frame of something like a billion years
near falcon
anyways im too poor for premium anyways
tell me if pytube is ilegal or not
and about adblockers
near falcon
youtube and google tends to use cyphers that has a time-frame of something like ...
what if u use like 100 computers
sturdy relic
tell me if pytube is ilegal or not
i have answered this many times already
near falcon
so its ilegal?
odd sphinx
lol
sturdy relic
so its ilegal?
its illegal to break copyright, and just by using it you are also breaking youtubes ToS
near falcon
its illegal to break copyright, and just by using it you are also breaking youtu...
why was it made if its illegal just to use it
lime drum
its illegal to break copyright, and just by using it you are also breaking youtu...
tho breaking tos is not illegal
near falcon
"i made it so noone can use it"
lime drum
you just revoke your right to use the service
sturdy relic
tho breaking tos is not illegal
thats why i have split it into two sub sentences
sturdy relic
why was it made if its illegal just to use it
ask the creator
lime drum
yeah 👍
sturdy relic
people do bad things every day
near falcon
ask the creator
uh ok
sturdy relic
but here on python discord we do not
near falcon
so is adblocker the same?
hollow marsh
round moss
a site's ToS could forbid adblockers
sturdy relic
so is adblocker the same?
i dont know the youtubes ToS well enought to answer. if they say your not allowed to block adds then using it would break the ToS
near falcon
you prob cant bec premium does it
but then again theres an ad blocker literally for youtube that millions r using
sturdy relic
i mean stack overflow does answer qs about pytube
yes, SO is more liberal then us
same with Reddit
lime drum
then again "adblocker" is a rather broad definition
near falcon
same with Reddit
so theyre all ilegal?
sturdy relic
but then again theres an ad blocker literally for youtube that millions r using
yes, million of users break contracts every day
near falcon
yes, million of users break contracts every day
i bet more...
sturdy relic
so theyre all ilegal?
your again mixing what legal and illegal means
near falcon
ok sorry
round moss
yeah, breaking ToS is a pretty common thing to do, even by accident sometimes. We just don't allow such discussion, it doesn't mean you somehow are obligated to uphold ToS out of some moral obligation.
lime drum
breaking a contract is not illegal
near falcon
so its not illegal but they can ban u from site?
sturdy relic
legal or not has to do if the government can put you in jail
lime drum
ignoring the consequences of said broken contract is in some territories
sturdy relic
so its not illegal but they can ban u from site?
yes, they can suspend your account
near falcon
so basically downloading videos is completly legal
sturdy relic
breaking a contract is not illegal
it depends
sturdy relic
so basically downloading videos is completly legal
it depends
lime drum
look at the second sentence i said
near falcon
it depends
explain
sturdy relic
look at the second sentence i said
ahh.. yes..
round moss
no one has been sued for using ytdl yet, so we don't know if its legal pretty much
sturdy relic
explain
i have been.. for the last hour
if you download something you dont own the rights to, your breaking copyright
near falcon
so your saying if the government in your country
round moss
that's for the courts to decide
round moss
yes
near falcon
im still confused lol
lime drum
but thats not the case in the countries i know
sturdy relic
im still confused lol
what are you confused about?
near falcon
if u download music will u be ip banned?
sturdy relic
if u download music will u be ip banned?
probably not
round moss
youtube doesn't really enforce its tos
lime drum
but its at a scale where youtube doesnt care
round moss
unless in really extreme cases
near falcon
ban you
lime drum
however if you make a service and make money from it they're probably gonna sue you
near falcon
unless in really extreme cases
whats that
sturdy relic
should the police arrest everyone that breaks a minor thing? that would not work
its the same online
near falcon
no but ban from site
round moss
if I ran a bot that would try to download all youtube videos, I would get banned
sturdy relic
but you as the user should take care to follow the rules
near falcon
if I ran a bot that would try to download all youtube videos, I would get banned
you wouldnt do it... theres too many
some unlisted
round moss
if someone tried to download a single video, nothing would happen
near falcon
if someone tried to download a single video, nothing would happen
if your downloading idk 3 vids a day
will they ban you
sturdy relic
sure
near falcon
@sturdy relic 2 qs
1 if your a content creator who doesnt have premium, and you lost the footage of your old videos, you cant download your old videos from youtube without breaking tos?
2 if for example someone posted music in youtube, and they have a link in the description where you can download it (for free or for money) is that legal?
somber belfry
- If they have the rights to sell/give away that music, then yes I guess
echo fern
not sure what one needs to realistically do to actually get banned from youtube for things like that
I suspect that the reason their TOS prohibits downloading videos is so they can't be held accountable for redistributing, say, copyrighted content
hazy laurel
Welp... I think I might have to learn HTML/CSS/JS
Why am I really not looking forward to this
wide totem
😳
hazy laurel
Oh God
wide totem
Lmao
daring jay
That's all pretty simple
hazy laurel
:faint:
wide totem
Why do you need to learn css js and html?
hazy laurel
idk where to learn any of this
wide totem
What are you making?
hazy laurel
Why do you need to learn css js and html?
cause I want to make a website lol
idk. I wanted a project
and I want to put some rocket.rs to use
so... website
wide totem
Ah
daring jay
idk where to learn any of this
It's pretty simple, trust me
hazy laurel
:T
hazy laurel
Okay... so where do I learn any of this
daring jay
Like TypeScript > Flow
And Yarn > npm
And you can use whatever framework you want if you even want one
hazy laurel
Framework I want to use https://rocket.rs/, assuming that's what you mean
daring jay
I'm referring to frontend framework
hazy laurel
Right... no clue
daring jay
But if you want to go all vanilla, you can
viral hare
yeah thats basically them
daring jay
Angular is known to have a steep learning curve
hazy laurel
I assume I should learn the basics first, though... right?
daring jay
Both React and Vue have huge communities, and both are good
daring jay
I assume I should learn the basics first, though... right?
Ye
If this is your first app, you should go vanilla imo
hazy laurel
I want to learn React/Vue before I move on to Yew
I've gotta be a Rust purist eventually
daring jay
I want to learn React/Vue before I move on to Yew
What's Yew?
hazy laurel
daring jay
Oh nice
hazy laurel
lol
viral hare
oh wow wasam
daring jay
So if you're doing React/Vue, the Vue docs are great, and there are a lot of good React tutorials
You can choose whichever you want
hazy laurel
So... what should I learn first
daring jay
It's up to you really
hazy laurel
I assume HTML/CSS then JS/TS?
daring jay
Yeah, probably
viral hare
tbh ive never properly learned html/css
daring jay
You could make a simple frontend with HTML/CSS
viral hare
ive just googled the stuff that i didnt know as i went
hazy laurel
HTML and CSS I imagine take like... hours to "learn" but a while to actually get looking good
daring jay
HTML and CSS I imagine take like... hours to "learn" but a while to actually get...
You don't need to actually learn them very well
Google is how to learn those
hazy laurel
hmm
daring jay
Just use the MDN docs as a reference
sinful sun
CSS feels like you need to use it in proper projects for you to get good at it
daring jay
CSS... I can probably remember enough of
Then you could go make a frontend right now
hazy laurel
not that I want to
like...
I've done some stuff before
it's ugly haha
oh and working out different resolutions and stuff... I forgot the name for it
Responsive?
sudden cloud
lol it is
cerulean panther
It's still a thing
hazy laurel
I think I have something related to Bootstrap from GitHub Education
narrow finch
do you guys trust in iq tests
round moss
they measure a thing, how useful that thing is is debatable
narrow finch
I don't think they're very accurate but I do think iq correlates with intelligence levels
round moss
they measure a specific kind of intelligence
generally pattern recongnition
and while it is noticable when someone is good at pattern recognition, it isn't exactly a useful skill
narrow finch
for some things like chess it is quite useful
round moss
yeah, IG it would help with chess
narrow finch
It could also increase you ability of learning and mastering new skills
round moss
though my friend scored really high on IQ tests and isn't all that great at chess
though that is mostly lack of practice
I don't think it has much to do with learning
it makes it easier to learn things by relating them to existing knowledge, but that is sometimes not a good learning strategy
round moss
yeah, but it is more of a neat quirk than something that heavily impact your life
jovial island
.topic
rustic harborBOT
jovial island
Selling poeple
jovial island
is there an easier way to write this? 😦
if c1 < 1 or c2 < 1 or c3 < 1 or c4 < 1 or c5 < 1 or c6 < 1 or c7 < 1 or c8 < 1 or c9 < 1 or c10 < 1 or c11 < 1 or c12 < 1 or c13 < 1 or c14 < 1 or c15 < 1 or c16 < 1 or c17 < 1 or c18 < 1 or c19 < 1 or c20 < 1 or c21 < 1 or c22 < 1 or c23 < 1 or c24 < 1 or c25 < 1 or c26 < 1 or c27 < 1 or c28 < 1 or c29 < 1 or c30 < 1 or c31 < 1 or c32 < 1 or c33 < 1 or c34 < 1 or c35 < 1 or c36 < 1 or c37 < 1 or c38 < 1 or c39 < 1 or c40 < 1 or c41 < 1 or c42 < 1 or c43 < 1 or c44 < 1 or c45 < 1 or c46 < 1
viral hare
i would generalize the solution
ie have them in a list and do a loop compare
or if u like functional u can do a fold
wide totem
man python sucks you can't code dynamic variable names
where you store the name of the variable in another variable
shrewd lance
you can actually
dusky cliff
globals() and locals() amirite
shrewd lance
Easy with eval or exec, but in case that feels like cheating, globals, locals, or even __dict__
Though IIRC you can't modify locals, since it freezes the state into a dict
You can modify that dict, but the locals themselves would stay unaffected
round moss
you more or less can't create new locals after a function is defined
shrewd lance
Yeah, you could in 2 apparently, but when exec became a regular function, this stopped being a thing
round moss
there is a capi function to refresh locals
but it can't create new ones with it afaik
shrewd lance
s e c u r i t y
steel eagle
Only just
limber pollen
if c1 < 1 or c2 < 1 or c3 < 1 or c4 < 1 or c5 < 1 or c6 < 1 or c7 < 1 or c8 < 1 ...
Bit late but
if any(c < 1 for c in [c1, c2, c3, ...]):
wide totem
Lol
Hello joe
Github workflows and actions are fun
Although how does #dev-log turn this into one message
wide totem
So that only runs once for all successful checks?
grim seal
@wide totem what database does your modmail clone use
wide totem
<@!717983911824588862> what database does your modmail clone use
What modmail clone? 😳
It's not a clone of any bot
It's inspired by kyb3r's modmail bot, but not a clone at all
lime drum
lul
wide totem
Was going to use mongodb
But haven't made any commits on that yet
Probably going to use mongodb tbh
grim seal
wide totem
Why, what are your thoughts
grim seal
postgres always wins
wide totem
The largest appeal for me is mongodb atlas lmao
grim seal
data? postgres. cronjobs? postgres can do it. locks? postgres can do it. timeseries? (with help) postgres can do it
wide totem
if I could find free postgre hosting I would do it lmao
viral hare
welp cockroachdb which is a sql db has a free tier like mongo atlas
grim seal
heroku
wide totem
Looked at both of those
viral hare
i used it in a hackathon once and i think its basically using postgress drivers
grim seal
aws prob has a psql intance low priced/free, can't remember
viral hare
if u use orm i doubt u can tell a big difference
wide totem
heroku postgre
cockroachdb
One of them limits you to 10k rows and the other to 20mb
lime drum
postgres always wins
whispers: scylla
wide totem
Mongodb atlas limits to 500mb with no collection or document limit
And of the mongodb code I wrote already
grim seal
scylla is good for when you need scylla lol
wide totem
I am abstracting the db away from the bot so every db interaction will be through db client methods
viral hare
like mongodb has a document limit size of 16mb. u usually dont hit that limit unless ur storing an image
wide totem
Ye
lime drum
scylla is good for when you need scylla lol
which is everytime 
wide totem
like mongodb has a document limit size of 16mb. u usually dont hit that limit un...
My point is heroku postgre limits to 20mb total for the entire cluster
And cockroachdb limits to 10k rows total
Whereas mongodb atlas limits to 500mb as the only limitation
If someone can find free hosting that's as easy as mongodb atlas I might switch lmao
viral hare
i doubt ur gonna hit 10k rows with a toy application. but if ur wanting to be serious u might as well invest in a paid service
viral hare
like a small application that ur not gonna have much users
wide totem
@grim seal out of curiosity can you check how large the database is for just this modmail
viral hare
and u just made just for learning purposes or just for fun
wide totem
:(
grim seal
keys in other room
wide totem
Ah
lime drum
lol
grim seal
i think it's a few thousand conversastions or smth
lime drum
keys in other room
yubikeys?
wide totem
Because depending on the mb size
lime drum
<:greenTick:312314752711786497>
they be nice af
viral hare
like i would just stick with a free tier and once u hit that need for scalability start looking into options
lime drum
just selfhost
viral hare
like i think at the moment ur application doesnt have too much issues with a free tier
grim seal
557MB
viral hare
but like once u start getting significant amount of entries than maybe looking for alternate options would be a good idea
wide totem
@lime drum @viral hare so basically modmail isn't made to be hosted by one person. The actual thing of modmail is for other people to host it for their own server. To make it easily adoptable, the set up process has to be easy. That means trying to make sure the bot can be run completely free.
grim seal
that's 557MB live on disk, backup significantly smaller
wide totem
Every person has to run modmail for themselves.
viral hare
so ur saying every person tht uses modmail is gonna share the same database
that doesnt seem too right
grim seal
no no
lime drum
<@244459328847872000> <@746833506629582870> so basically modmail isn't made to ...
then id say pack sqlite by default and allow ppl to config other databases
wide totem
The kyb3r modmail which inspired my project has a setup guide that can run on heroku.
grim seal
so ur saying every person tht uses modmail is gonna share the same database
the ponit is that anyone can set it up cost free
daring jay
~~if I could find free postgre hosting I would do it lmao~~
That exists
wide totem
^ and cloudbased
daring jay