ot2-the-original-pubsta

[jovial island]

makes it think its just a regular usb drive

so i think i can burn an iso in this

and boot from it

[hazy laurel]

RIP your phone when you have to format the drive

[languid osprey]

Ah yes, who needs phones anyways? My phone is now a flash drive

[jovial island]

well its just gonna be an installation media

[languid osprey]

Eh

[hazy laurel]

yes and you have to format for that

[languid osprey]

Technical details

[jovial island]

no?

[hazy laurel]

yes

[jovial island]

oh nah nah

it isolates from the other files

[hazy laurel]

\🤔

[jovial island]

kinda terrible to explain

[hazy laurel]

That doesn't make much sense to me

[jovial island]

id love to vc and show it to you

[hazy laurel]

me? vc?

[jovial island]

perhaps

[hazy laurel]

Chase Atlantic amirite

who's vc

idk her

[jovial island]

look

[hazy laurel]

this is a gr8 song btw. 10/10 would recommend

[jovial island]

to make things simple:

using root privileges

allocate some of the space from the internal sd

create a separate partition

enable usb debugging

use root privileges to mount the new partition as a mass storage device

[hazy laurel]

I wouldn't be so clueless if my Samsung could be rooted

[jovial island]

hopefully format that partition

[hazy laurel]

but nope

[jovial island]

and drag and drop the files there

[hazy laurel]

I live in America of all countries

stupid Samsung

[jovial island]

here im gonna try loading arch linux into it

and show you

[hazy laurel]

oh my

[jovial island]

for the record

doing that because arch is like 500 mb

nevermind holy shit its 800 megabytes now

da fuck they doin

[hazy laurel]

Arch packages are bigger than other packages

[sullen gate]

I uSE UbuNTu

[jovial island]

okay imma record a video to show you

[languid osprey]

Fools, I use Hanna Montana linux

[jovial island]

i use hot wheels linux

[sullen gate]

I am Also BEGINNEr To LInUX

[languid osprey]

:P

We love beginners here

[hazy laurel]

you're ruining the joke

[hazy laurel]

except for the Manjaro ones \😩

[sullen gate]

your Pc will be as hot as them wheels at one point

[languid osprey]

Ruining?

[hazy laurel]

yes

Hanna Montana needs her sleep

[languid osprey]

Id like to call it advertising

[languid osprey]

Ah yeah, my bad

[sullen gate]

adveRTECIsSINgG

[languid osprey]

Yes fuck manjaro

[jovial island]

uh what

i was recording a video and my phone blacked out on me

mf was at 80% charge what

[sullen gate]

i Was gonna download Gnome Manjaro but instead I downloaded Ubuntu 20.04 not LTS because I forgot it meant Long term Support and thought it was limited time support :/

[median blade]

Good

[sullen gate]

change phone

[median blade]

Manjaro has ass support

[jovial island]

in a country where 1 usd costs 5 times our currency

[hazy laurel]

There's no such thing as Ubuntu 20.04 non-LTS

[jovial island]

yeah i dont think ill be doing that

[languid osprey]

Why manjaro

Why the fuck manjaro

[sullen gate]

because the Gnome layout looked cool

[hazy laurel]

see and nobody believes me

[languid osprey]

Just use a different os with gnome

[hazy laurel]

99% of Manjaro users get Manjaro because of the DE defaults

[sullen gate]

didnt know anything about Manjaro att

[languid osprey]

Yeah

[hazy laurel]

or should I say... DEfaults

[jovial island]

i get it girls, you're all pretty but

[languid osprey]

Know one thing, manjaro is shit

[jovial island]

uh my phone dont wan turn on

[hazy laurel]

:T

[languid osprey]

Nice pun, but not as good as my Rust ones :P

[hazy laurel]

I would just like to say that I predicted this would happen

[jovial island]

it happened while i was recording a video

[languid osprey]

Lol

[jovial island]

100% unrelated to me fucking around with root privileges

[dusky cliff]

ono

[hazy laurel]

They don't call me "Nick Jonas, the clairvoyant" for nothing

[median blade]

K

[jovial island]

rust is a terrible programming language

[hazy laurel]

WHY K

[jovial island]

i mean the name says itself

rust

old

bad

[languid osprey]

OK what the fuck

[median blade]

Cuz k

[languid osprey]

What in the actual fuck

[hazy laurel]

hate that

[jovial island]

the name dude

read between the lines

[languid osprey]

What in the fuckity fuck

[hazy laurel]

Hate when people respond with "k" or "ok"

[languid osprey]

Rust is amazing

[jovial island]

the fuck did you just say about rust, you little shit?

[hazy laurel]

uh oh

Who's Rust

[jovial island]

ill have you know

[hazy laurel]

oh yes I've made 0 progress in learning Nim

[languid osprey]

Rust is an amazing language

[jovial island]

i graduated top of my classin the navy sels

[languid osprey]

Have you heard of memory safety before

[cerulean panther]

ur gunna trigger people

[jovial island]

ive been involved in numerous raids in al qaeda

[languid osprey]

Ah yes, navy sels

[jovial island]

i have over 300 confirmed kills

[languid osprey]

They sure as fuck are

[odd sphinx]

honestly

java is better than rust

[jovial island]

he's right

[languid osprey]

OK what in the actual fuck

You don't deserve to be in ot

[jovial island]

you know

perhaps i should go sleep!

[languid osprey]

Yes maybe

[jovial island]

because its like

3 am

or some shit

bye

[languid osprey]

It's 1:42 am for me

[languid osprey]

Gn :D

[odd sphinx]

sleep

[languid osprey]

Soon

It's a weekend, who needs sleep?

[hazy laurel]

fair point

[languid osprey]

I need to advertise rust as much as I can

[hazy laurel]

wait quick question

[cerulean panther]

mhm?

[hazy laurel]

can one be home alone if they have pets

[languid osprey]

Hm

[odd sphinx]

classic rustaceans 😒

[languid osprey]

Well then they aren't alone are they

[hazy laurel]

home alone + pets or... home with pets

[dusky cliff]

if that was true then the movie Home Alone has a misnomer

[jovial island]

10 seconds after i say ill sleep my phone turns on

[hazy laurel]

I am home alone

with pets

[dusky cliff]

hi home alone i'm dad

[jovial island]

fuck it ill just buy a USB drive tomorrow

[hazy laurel]

jeez man. it's been like 15 years, I want my milk

[cerulean panther]

lol

[hazy laurel]

actually now I think I'm lactose intolerant

it better be almond milk or something

[dusky cliff]

okbr

i'll get you chicken milk

[hazy laurel]

oh

is that a thing?

[sullen gate]

tf is chicken milk

ahem MELK i meant

[hazy laurel]

Surely chickens don't have milk

they've got no nipples, do they

[wide totem]

Yay panic attacks

[sullen gate]

Unless you mean...

[hazy laurel]

OH NO

[sullen gate]

[dusky cliff]

that was the joke

[hazy laurel]

oh no ;-;

[dusky cliff]

bonk

[sullen gate]

OH SHI-

[hazy laurel]

Mr. Sir \😭

[dusky cliff]

!bonk @sullen gate

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/793570459945926717/843001559142760468/bonk_704175201931231233_2021-05-15_05-47.gif

[sullen gate]

Bruh

!bonk @dusky cliff

[dusky cliff]

;)

[sullen gate]

it didn't work?

MAn

Unfair

Poopoo command lol

[hazy laurel]

surely that's not a self-bot

[dusky cliff]

thou shalt not bonk me
-me

[dusky cliff]

bruh

[languid osprey]

Lmao

[hazy laurel]

am I high

[sullen gate]

prob

[languid osprey]

Thou shall not bonk

[hazy laurel]

hah

I see

[sullen gate]

How to find ID of Man

[dusky cliff]

right click and copy id

[languid osprey]

Anyways, it's almost 2 am, and im getting sleepy, gn yall :D

[dusky cliff]

sleep is for the weak

[cerulean panther]

gn

[hazy laurel]

You know

[sullen gate]

Y e s

[languid osprey]

Not if I dream about Rust

[hazy laurel]

I wonder if that ever originated as "sleep is for the week"

and no sleep is for the weekends

[dusky cliff]

why would people not sleep on weekends tho

[sullen gate]

ok Rust fanboy

[hazy laurel]

no work, no school

[dusky cliff]

if anything they'd sleep more

[languid osprey]

Lmao

[hazy laurel]

you can stay up on weekends

[sullen gate]

no work in two days I have school

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[languid osprey]

I stay up late on weekends

[sullen gate]

Y E S

[hazy laurel]

I stay up late every day hahaha

[sullen gate]

ahahhahahh

Cries in dead inside

[hazy laurel]

yes

[languid osprey]

Anyways, bye fr now

[dusky cliff]

sure

now that aboo is gone

rust is terrible

[hazy laurel]

yes

[sullen aurora]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**If you could travel anywhere in the world, where would you go?**

Suggest more topics here!

[sullen aurora]

wait is this the topic ?

[cerulean panther]

yes because this is a off-topic channel

[sullen aurora]

ok

[hazy laurel]

Of this channel? no

that's just a command to come up with a random topic for conversation

[sullen aurora]

oh okokok

[hazy laurel]

The off-topic channels don't really have a topic

[sullen aurora]

ok

[misty urchin]

You cooud say it's undefined

[tranquil ridge]

[woven hornet]

can i ask a java qn here

when do we use static void myMethod()
or
static variabletype methodname(variabletype variablename)?

both are for defining a method

[cerulean panther]

yes

[cerulean panther]

it depends on what the method returns, example: if it returns an int do ⬇️

static int methodname(variabletype variablename)

i think, i don't know that much java, but its like that in other languages that i know.

[dusky cliff]

static <x> methodname(t1 a, t2 b) is the general syntax
<x> is the return type - the type of the variable that the function returns. If the function doesn't return anything, its written as void
a and b are the function arguments - the values you pass to the function when calling it. t1 and t2 are the types of a and b

also note that the static keyword isn;t necessary

If you use the static keyword, the method gets attached to the class
If you don't use it, the method gets attached to individual instances (objects) of the class

[odd sphinx]

ye

[dusky cliff]

ye

[tranquil ridge]

ye

[cerulean panther]

ye

[woven hornet]

oh okay thanks!!

[odd sphinx]

epic

[woven hornet]

public class lesson0 {
    static int add(int firstnum, int secondnum) {
        int sum = 0;
        for (int i = 0; i <= secondnum; i++){
            sum = firstnum + 1;
        }
        return(sum);
    }

    public static void main(String[]args) {
        int a = 4;
        int b = 10;
        int c = add(a, b);
        System.out.println(c);
    }
}

im not sure why the output gives 5

it should be 14

im creating a loop to add 1 to 4 ten times

[dusky cliff]

sum = firstnum + 1
this just does sum = 4 + 1 in every iteration

[odd sphinx]

because u are setting sum to the value of firstnum + 1 every time u loop

[dusky cliff]

in every iteration, you want to set sum to its current value + 1

[odd sphinx]

so that would be sum = sum + 1

or in shorthand: sum += 1

[dusky cliff]

or sum += 1
or sum++

[odd sphinx]

or even shorter sum++

[woven hornet]

ah i see okay i get it

[dusky cliff]

[odd sphinx]

or even shorter return firstnum + secondnum;

[dusky cliff]

lol

[woven hornet]

yeah it was a constraint

can't add directly

thanks guys!

[odd sphinx]

or even shorter System.out.println(10 + 4);

np

[dusky cliff]

or even shorter System.out.println(14);

[odd sphinx]

hmm

now how would u shorten that

System.out.println(0xe);

nop

if the 0x wasnt there it would be smaller

[dusky cliff]

System.out.print(14) kekw

[odd sphinx]

no

it has to \n

[dusky cliff]

says who

[odd sphinx]

me

[dusky cliff]

ok

[odd sphinx]

ha

u know when u drink a hot beverage

and ur tongue burns

but for some reason u continue drinking

[dusky cliff]

no

[odd sphinx]

and now ur tongue cant taste anything

[hazy laurel]

Java :faint:

[odd sphinx]

damn

[dusky cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/839741055749718016.png?v=1&size=40

[hazy laurel]

[median blade]

dart better 100%

[dusky cliff]

🤮

[odd sphinx]

yea

[hazy laurel]

Just about everything's better than Java

[jovial island]

هنا يأتي الرئيس

[odd sphinx]

ye

[jovial island]

هنا يأتي الرئيسهنا يأتي الرئيسهنا يأتي الرئيس

[dusky cliff]

no

english only

[hazy laurel]

I understand completely

[odd sphinx]

ikr

[dusky cliff]

otherwise bonk

[jovial island]

أغلق وافعل ما أقول

[median blade]

lol

[dusky cliff]

bonk

[median blade]

bot?

[jovial island]

رائع. لطيف

[odd sphinx]

bruh is he using google translate

[median blade]

might be a bot

[hazy laurel]

I wonder if he realizes that he misspelled enlightenment

[odd sphinx]

lol

[dusky cliff]

lol

[round moss]

@jovial island hello, please keep all conversation on the server in english.

[jovial island]

أنتم يا رفاق أفضل أصدقاء الله

[dusky cliff]

bruh

[hazy laurel]

:|

[jovial island]

@round moss ok

أنتم يا رفاق ستزورون الله قريباً

[odd sphinx]

speak الإنجليزية bro

damn i used to know arbic

now i forgot 😔

[round moss]

!mute @jovial island 12h you were already told to keep it english.

[clever salmon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @jovial island until 2021-05-15 20:00 (11 hours and 59 minutes).

[hazy laurel]

was that... a threat?

[dusky cliff]

was what a threat

[median blade]

e

[hazy laurel]

this

[odd sphinx]

perhaps

[dusky cliff]

o

idk

[hazy laurel]

Google Translate said "You guys will soon be visiting God"

[dusky cliff]

hm

[odd sphinx]

same

[hazy laurel]

oh well. if it's just a visit

[odd sphinx]

ikr

[median blade]

damn, so considerate

[odd sphinx]

just a visit

[hazy laurel]

that's on the implication I'll be back

[odd sphinx]

ye

it includes a return trip

[hazy laurel]

👍🏽

[dusky cliff]

nice

bring back some souvenirs

[odd sphinx]

ye

some heavenly chocolate

[hazy laurel]

Pearls, from the pearly gates

[dusky cliff]

ambrosia

[hazy laurel]

Forbidden fruit

[odd sphinx]

and a trident

[dusky cliff]

and my axe

[hazy laurel]

I think you mean to look in the ocean

[dusky cliff]

poseidon can be visiting the skies too

[odd sphinx]

ikr

[dusky cliff]

you might carpool with him on the way

[hazy laurel]

so he just...

swims up there?

[dusky cliff]

ye

[hazy laurel]

flying = swimming in the sky?

[dusky cliff]

ye

[hazy laurel]

There's gotta be a Bruno Mars song for this

[odd sphinx]

ye

[dusky cliff]

lol

bruno mars is vibe

[hazy laurel]

he's 199.08 million miles away from us

[odd sphinx]

brij

[hazy laurel]

no

we don't need a 199.08 million mile long bridge

[odd sphinx]

we can just believe

and get there

[hazy laurel]

wake up in the sky

[woven hornet]

sry i have another qn

public class q2 {
    static int fib(int x) {
        if (x<=1){
            return x;
        }
        else {
            return fib(x-1) + fib(x-2);
        }

    }

    public static void main(String[] args) {
        int x = 10;
        System.out.println(fib(x));
    }```

i tried using recursion to get the term in a fibonacci series

i got 14 for the tenth term

but it shd be 55

[dusky cliff]

your code outputs 55 for me lol

didn't even change anything

you sure you're running the correct file?

14 was (correctly) printed in your last code too

[odd sphinx]

yea

[woven hornet]

oh

im using intellij

and it's my first time

i have a few classes

when i try to run the java class q2 for eg.

it runs another class instead?

[dusky cliff]

are you sure you're running class q2

i've never tried it but I think it should complain if more than one classes has a main(String[] args) method

[woven hornet]

im not, but im now trying to. when i click onto q2 and press run, it keeps running another class

[dusky cliff]

maybe remove/comment out the main method in all other classes

[odd sphinx]

ikr

[woven hornet]

im quite confuse, is it a class is synonymous to a file for python

[dusky cliff]

java?

[woven hornet]

when i add a class in java, it's like adding a file in python?

[woven hornet]

yeah

but when i add a file in java, it's like a folder?

[odd sphinx]

yea in java u usually write classes in seperate files

[dusky cliff]

not really
you can have multiple classes in the same file, but only one of them can be public

mostly tho each class is one file

@woven hornet send a screenshot of your intellij window

[dusky cliff]

okay so I tried it and it doesn't complain

how are you running btw

are you clicking on run in the top right corner of the window

[odd sphinx]

cant u choose which class to run

[dusky cliff]

you can

[odd sphinx]

is there a dropdown next to the run button

[odd sphinx]

that lets u choose

aha

there is

i guessed that btw

[dusky cliff]

nice guess

bro

[odd sphinx]

B)

okbro

[woven hornet]

after i press this

[odd sphinx]

wait but thats right

or is it breaking becase q4 has errors

[woven hornet]

it goes to another class

[woven hornet]

yeah

but im not at q4 yet

[dusky cliff]

ye it tries to build the whole project before it runs

[woven hornet]

i just want to run q2

[woven hornet]

ohh

so i shd create a new file

[dusky cliff]

maybe just comment out everyhting in q4 for now

[odd sphinx]

ye

[woven hornet]

okay lemme try

[odd sphinx]

whats the shortcut for commenting in intellij

ctrl+/ ?

[dusky cliff]

just put a /* at the top and */ at the bottom

mutltline comments

ctrl / should also prolly work lol

[odd sphinx]

yes

[woven hornet]

yup now it gives q2 output thx

[odd sphinx]

nice

[dusky cliff]

epic

[woven hornet]

but its strange

cuz when i try to run q0

[dusky cliff]

🤔

[woven hornet]

it gives q2 output

[dusky cliff]

lol

[woven hornet]

so does it always give the last output

[dusky cliff]

run it with the green button next to the class name

instead of the button in the top right

[woven hornet]

oh yup it works

[woven hornet]

btw can i ask what's the difference btw the two green arrows on the left

[dusky cliff]

they're prolly the same

[woven hornet]

oh okie got it thx!

[dusky cliff]

:nice:

[odd sphinx]

:epic:

[hazy laurel]

I think maybe I might tackle learning vim

do I really want to, though

[round moss]

if you have some time to waste, sure

[hazy laurel]

I always feel like learning it when I'm really tired hahaha

[round moss]

I also feel like doing things the most when tired

[hazy laurel]

My main issue with vim is that I'm not the most proficient of keyboarders... I feel like I'd lose more time not using my mouse

My drive for learning vim, though... is that maybe I want to start working with Nim and see how things are on vim (or nvim) compared to VSCode and IntelliJ IDEA

[dusky cliff]

nim on vim

[hazy laurel]

yes.

nimvim

[dusky cliff]

yes

[median blade]

Eh use vim keybinding on vscode like Zee does

That's the best way

[hazy laurel]

but

[median blade]

Vim in itself ....

[hazy laurel]

I don't like VSCode

[median blade]

Then use JetBrains + vim

[hazy laurel]

but Nim doesn't work well with JetBrains

[median blade]

Bruh

Why do you not like vscode

[hazy laurel]

lol I can't even use PyCharm to create an empty Nim project

[odd sphinx]

agree

[round moss]

the main advantage of knowing vim is that you can use any editor without learning a new set of keybinds

[median blade]

.

[hazy laurel]

idk, just not much of a fan of needing to configure everything a specific way

[median blade]

Wha

[odd sphinx]

funny

[median blade]

It's just extensions

[hazy laurel]

some things are a little annoying to configure, though

specifically build and run tasks

[median blade]

Huh

[round moss]

vsCodeVim is really obnoxious to configure

[median blade]

Hmm

[odd sphinx]

theres configuration?

[round moss]

yup

[odd sphinx]

what do u configure

[median blade]

It has its own init vim right?

[odd sphinx]

also @median blade if u set ur cursor to have animation

[round moss]

didn't find a .vimrc parser for it

[median blade]

Hmm

[round moss]

had to write their crappy json

[odd sphinx]

with vim it will look epic

o i never used a .vimrc

[median blade]

Like vscode vim?

[odd sphinx]

i just use it for the keybinds

and i didnt map any new keybinds

maybe i could

[median blade]

I find copy paste stuff annoying in vim

Have it disabled till u learn how to do that

I always bind escape to ii

[round moss]

l put space f for format, space r for run, jk for normal mode, enabled easymotion

[median blade]

ah I never use run in vim

[odd sphinx]

whats easymotion?

[median blade]

Always have a terminal at the side using tmux

I got some errors usign vim run

[hazy laurel]

lol I always trip up on the hjkl keybinds because of Brawlhalla

since I use jkl;

[median blade]

There is no need to use those tbh

[odd sphinx]

i just use arrow keys lol

[hazy laurel]

I wonder what it's like to just use wasd

[median blade]

I would like that

[odd sphinx]

same

[median blade]

Or anything that feels like arrow keys

Instead of a row

[hazy laurel]

yes because hjkl feel super weird to move with

I'll always think h is up for some reason... and j down

[round moss]

I very rarely hl tbh

I just use ^$IA and wb instead

[hazy laurel]

which is why I'd think hj are up/down

because they'd be the most used

[round moss]

the home position is jk for me

[dusky cliff]

arrow keys are really weird to move around with on my laptop's keyboard
like
the up and down are scrunched up into the space that normally a single key takes up

[odd sphinx]

ah yea

i hve that in my laptop too

jut use an external keyboard

[dusky cliff]

wasd for lyf

[odd sphinx]

yes

[hazy laurel]

Ah, that's handy

if you wanna make a file within a folder and also create the folder

you can put the folder in the name

like when I wanted to make main.nim in an src/ dir... I'd make a new file named "src/main.nim"

[round moss]

yup

[odd sphinx]

ye

[hazy laurel]

Okay, so WebStorm works with Nim

but PyCharm Professional and IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate do not

[round moss]

fascinating

[hazy laurel]

IntelliJ actually had this weird bug where I really just couldn't have a Nim file with more than one line

[odd sphinx]

spectacular

[dusky cliff]

lol

[hazy laurel]

ah yes. I already found a bug... and that's if you hit enter inside of a multi-line comment, it adds another closing to the multi-line comment even if there is already one

[odd sphinx]

remarkable

[cerulean panther]

lol

[visual oak]

what is going on here

[odd sphinx]

icecream

[visual oak]

🍦

Im actually eating ice cream right now

[hazy laurel]

yes

[odd sphinx]

nice

[visual oak]

eating ice cream while im in joe's garage

[cerulean panther]

nice

[odd sphinx]

agree

[hazy laurel]

Is it Nim that does the "result variable is returned" thing

ah yes.

proc foo(): int =
    result = 64

assert foo() == 64

[odd sphinx]

ye

[pallid violet]

invalid syntax >.<

[cerulean panther]

das not python afaik

[pallid violet]

what does afaik mean?

[cerulean panther]

as far as i know

[pallid violet]

oh, thx

[cerulean panther]

np

[pallid violet]

c)

[jovial island]

oh man

my brain does not appreciate only 5 hours of sleep

[pallid violet]

rip

i slept for like 9 hours

[crisp vessel]

I wonder how long it would take to read Python's official documentation

[round moss]

a pretty long time, it has hooks into pretty much all of posix

[crisp vessel]

I'm planning to read it all

[radiant socket]

but why

[round moss]

well, start with modules that don't hook into the OS

[crisp vessel]

https://docs.python.org/3.6/tutorial/
I start with this

[round moss]

sure

[radiant socket]

might as well read 3.9

but again, why

[crisp vessel]

I wanna get better also to fill my knowledge gap

[radiant socket]

that's not how you get better

[jovial island]

reading the entire documentation isn't gonna make you a python god

you can't simply retain that much knowledge

in one sitting

the sad truth is

[radiant socket]

or multiple

[jovial island]

there's not a magical method that will instantly make you better

it's the same thing with school

just study

and study

and study

[dusky cliff]

and coffee

[jovial island]

and of course

[crisp vessel]

I won't read the documentation on one sitting

[jovial island]

don't bite more than you can chew

[jovial island]

^

[crisp vessel]

I will do one chapter a day or smth

[jovial island]

trust me

you won't retatin the information

[crisp vessel]

I don't think you know how I study by reading

I use feyman technique

[round moss]

well, enjoy yourself. If you run into something you don't understand, feel free to ask here, there are some passages which are really written for people who already know things

[crisp vessel]

[jovial island]

yeah

uh pydis has a resources page

which contains a lot of reading material

you might wanna take a look at

it

!resources

[clever salmon]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[crisp vessel]

Another reason I use docs because they have in-depth stuff which is hard to find unless you buy these books

[jovial island]

good luck soldier

[crisp vessel]

Also people(YouTubers) almost always say the same thing For must stuff

[crisp vessel]

How do you

[radiant socket]

you cannot get better by passive learning

you have to actually make projects

[worn sluice]

delete discord

[cerulean panther]

make your own and don't invite people, there your alone now

not really

[worn sluice]

um

ok?

u might get a warned for that but

[cerulean panther]

its not funny, its just unusual

[worn sluice]

u can’t just spam memes

like ur asking for a warning

[sinful sun]

Bro

[radiant socket]

cool

[lucid osprey]

hello.

Is there something like a 'markdown viewer' I can download? I just want to preview .md files.

locally, without the use of internet.

[sinful sun]

Vscode has an extension for that i believe

Actually not sure its an extension or a builtin thing

[low sleet]

I think VS Code does it out of the box, PyCharm does too

[lucid osprey]

sweet, I'll just search in the extensions.

[low sleet]

Sublime has a plugin afaik

[lucid osprey]

oh? nice

[low sleet]

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/languages/markdown#_markdown-preview

[lucid osprey]

ayy stelercus is now a project lead

[cerulean panther]

noice

[elfin vine]

Any tips on a Python debugger? The one in Visual Studio Code I can't figure out how to like go into a function. For example: ```
def a():
print('oops')

a() # breakpoint, how do I follow into a?

None of: Step Over, Step Into, Step Out all just jump to the next breakpoint

I want to follow the code each line, without setting a breakpoint on every line ever

[elfin vine]

I don't like PyCharm, but at least I can appreciate its debugger

[vague shadow]

So you put a breakpoint on line 4, and step into doesn't work for you?

I've just tried it on my vscode and it's gone into a() for me

[vague shadow]

Do you have any updates available for vscode? I'm not sure what else to suggest

[elfin vine]

Yeah, idk. I'll double check 🤷‍♂️

[odd sphinx]

there are buttons in the debugger

for step into, step out and step over

[vague shadow]

They said that didn't work already, None of: Step Over, Step Into, Step Out all just jump to the next breakpoint

Clearly they know about the existence of these buttons

[wide totem]

huh

i can't

actually

test

this

[wide totem]

f11

!src

[clever salmon]

Bot's GitHub Repository

Repository

Go to GitHub

[wide totem]

custom logging levels how

[scarlet totem]

I'll link lancebot's since it's shorter

https://github.com/python-discord/sir-lancebot/blob/main/bot/__init__.py#L16-L32

uh

welp that doesn't work

[wide totem]

🤔

oh

no.…

hm

# Configure the "TRACE" logging level (e.g. "log.trace(message)")
logging.TRACE = 5
logging.addLevelName(logging.TRACE, "TRACE")


def monkeypatch_trace(self: logging.Logger, msg: str, *args, **kwargs) -> None:
    """
    Log 'msg % args' with severity 'TRACE'.
    To pass exception information, use the keyword argument exc_info with a true value, e.g.
    logger.trace("Houston, we have an %s", "interesting problem", exc_info=1)
    """
    if self.isEnabledFor(logging.TRACE):
        self._log(logging.TRACE, msg, args, **kwargs)


logging.Logger.trace = monkeypatch_trace

@clever salmon is being a bad pizza

[daring jay]

Was the line limit implemented?

[low sleet]

hi @grim seal can I bother you about kubernetes

[grim seal]

go for it 🙂

[low sleet]

awesome

i'm mostly wondering about whether you'd be able to share some good practices on how to version control the manifest yamls

i've deployed kwzrd.site on my cluster today and even managed to set up https so i'm very proud of myself

[grim seal]

niiiice one

[low sleet]

but i'm wondering about what the best way to do some things would be

[grim seal]

yeah the way we do it is just having all manifests in a repo, if I want to see the state on the cluster then kubectl diff has pointers

[low sleet]

ohh thats useful

yeah i have a private repo with my yamls for now and that's worked fine for me, but I felt like things got a little out of control when I started also using helm

[grim seal]

ah yeah,

we store the helm values files in the repo for the most part, and then include secrets through CLI args

[low sleet]

okay, so you only version control the values yaml

[low sleet]

i thought it wouldnt make sense to add the whole chart to my repo

but i wasnt sure

if i do, and then pull a new version, it'd allow me to see the diff of what has changed inside

but maybe i shouldn't have to worry about that?

i'm now talking about a 3rd party chart, not my own

[grim seal]

hmmm yeah

I keep my eye on upstream releases to try avoid that, but we don't VCS them in any way

[low sleet]

mmm okay

so just version controlling my values is prob fine then

i also wanted to ask whether you think it'd make sense to make a helm chart for my own app, so that i can manage the whole cluster using just helm

or if it's fine to just apply the yamls with kubectl when i change them

[grim seal]

yeah we just do manifests for our own services

[low sleet]

okay

that's basically what i wanted to know thanks 😌

[grim seal]

👌

[low sleet]

yeah ok

lovely thank you

[grim seal]

np, feel free to ask if anything else crops up

[wide totem]

https://aaa.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/a?áaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂåAæãæãæaæââÁáÆáÆåâåãåÅâááÅæãåAåäåâåàæãåàæaåÀáÅåâåÆåÄáÆåÀåÄåàåæåäæâáÆäaååãàâäåAãÅâããäåÅáÅåÁæaåæ

url lengthener

https://aaa.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com

[languid osprey]

what the fuck

[wide totem]

lol did u click it

[languid osprey]

no

...why?

im tempted to click it now

[wide totem]

https://aaa.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/a?áaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaåAæãæãæaæââÁáÆáÆåÃåÀåÅåÂåÁåÆåÀåÅáÅæAæÀæÁ

click that one

dew it

[daring jay]

That's a noice link

Not kidding

[wide totem]

lol

ty

DUDE I JUST REALIZED

[languid osprey]

WHAT

[wide totem]

we did a challenge with joe

and never

once

was there a single rickroll

[languid osprey]

lmao

[hazy laurel]

That's Nim.

If that's a joke, it's not a very good one

https://nim-lang.org

nvim is neovim

[wide totem]

oh

wasn't a joke i actually thought wrong

[hazy laurel]

oh. sorry lol

[wide totem]

i actually thought this was neovim

this is jason's neovim

it looks a lot like vscode

enough that i have begun to confuse thumbnails of the two

[hazy laurel]

ah

[languid osprey]

wat

I want config

[wide totem]

when he's done he'll share it

!remind 6d json neovim config

[clever salmon]

I don't think so.

Sorry, you can't do that here!

[languid osprey]

Cool, thanks :D

[viral hare]

i tihnk at this point

ill just use vim emulator in vscode

looks about the same as above

and i guess its kinda similar

in terms of feel

[hazy laurel]

lmfao I don't feel like trying out Vim today

I did last night... went into :Tutor and immediately left

[wide totem]

*the above is actually a custom config by jason to make it look like vscode

[hazy laurel]

which is why they said that I think

[wide totem]

ah

[shadow elk]

peculiar https://aaa.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/a?áaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂáaaÂåAæãæãæaæââÁáÆáÆææææææáÅæÀåÆæäæãæäåáåäáÅåâåÆåÄáÆææåàæãåâåAâÆæåâÄåãäàææâãææâÀäæåæäAåâäà

discord doesn't recognize it as a link, apparently? so it doesn't attach a you're-leaving-discord trap

[wide totem]

Huh

It did for me

Perhaps you somehow verified it in your cache

[jovial island]

who

[hazy laurel]

Looks like a link to me...

[jovial island]

is the SHIRT MASTER

[scarlet totem]

saved by the ad again

[hazy laurel]

I already know it's a rickroll

[jovial island]

cuz it is

[wide totem]

.src

[rustic harbor]

Sir Lancebot's GitHub Repository

Repository

Go to GitHub

[wide totem]

wut

why

why are these three files needed

often, i've seen bots with just the one file, bot.py

[sinful sun]

You need init to make it a module and you need main to run it like one

[wide totem]

and how are they run

[sinful sun]

python -m module_name

[wide totem]

so u can run the bot that way?

hm

[hazy laurel]

yes

[sinful sun]

Ye its pretty common with bots from what i see

[hazy laurel]

I think the __init__.py might be useless in that context, honestly

[wide totem]

launches lancebot clone

[wide totem]

that sets up the logger in this sir lance

[shadow elk]

In modern versions of Python you don't always need __init__.py, although I'm not sure why that happens. Something about namespace packages.

[hazy laurel]

hmm

[hazy laurel]

but you could also do that in __main__.py \🤔

[wide totem]

what is the difference between init and main

why have an init that has code if you have a main that has code

[hazy laurel]

main is what you call when you run it

init... I think is called in any situation

but I don't see a reason to use it unless you're importing that package

[wide totem]

ah

that's why init exists

to configure the logger

still launching sir lance clone

[hazy laurel]

yes but shouldn't you just do that in main if you're never going to import the bot?

[wide totem]

because of typing, it imports the bot in every file

[daring jay]

So you can just do python -m bot

I think

[wide totem]

yeah

mostly

as you can see

[hazy laurel]

I have a robot project that I can run as python3 -m, the __init__.py is entirely useless

[wide totem]

it ran __init__.py and then __main__.py

[hazy laurel]

yes, but you don't need both

because you'll probably never import the bot

[wide totem]

but you do, often

that's why its like that

[wide totem]

tests

[hazy laurel]

Okay, then it's perfectly acceptable to have __init__.py haha

[wide totem]

now this makes sense

i also kinda wanna kick this project to the moon

two swords are better than none ¯_(ツ)_/¯

especially double edged

[sinful sun]

What

[hazy laurel]

Sounds like an Arch user

[daring jay]

Ummm

What's the context to that statement

[sinful sun]

There is none, arch bad

[jovial island]

i am proud to say i have deleted arch from my life

[shadow elk]

@pastel nest where did you read up on a wa? 🧐

[pastel nest]

secrets stay secret... i can't betray the leaker.

[shadow elk]

🧐 <#ot0-fear-of-python message>

uh

<#python-discussion message>

[pastel nest]

#python-discussion message

[shadow elk]

@echo fern a spy

put dispenser here

[pastel nest]

it is also thanks to him that i learned about the secret evil bot clone of kutiekat

[daring jay]

Lol

[viral hare]

that bot sus

[daring jay]

My guess is that that was actually a webhook

Unless someone just wanted to make a bot clone of kutiekatj

[wide totem]

Where?

[daring jay]

The message that object linked

Oh wait

Latkecrszy said it was a webhook

Right after

Well I came up with it without knowing

So I still came up with it

[hazy laurel]

What on Earth is the conversation above that

[dusky cliff]

@shy lynx Hey there! I remember seeing you on reddit some time back, loved your nerf gun video 😃

[shy lynx]

Thank you!

[median blade]

Ah yeah

[jovial island]

yo

hi

[cerulean panther]

hello

[jovial island]

how u doing?

[cerulean panther]

good, hbu

[jovial island]

good, just came back from a weird night out

what do you guys do here?

[cerulean panther]

off-topic stuff

[jovial island]

nice : P

has been a while since i saw that

mid 2000s chats

icq, msn

[languid osprey]

Many things

[wide totem]

Yeet I just finished turning this code into a module and redoing the logger

[languid osprey]

A lot of it is fuck manjaro

[wide totem]

Now I can change the logger again

[languid osprey]

Btw, fuck manjaro

[jovial island]

logger is never done

[jovial island]

go ubuntu or fedora

anything else is self flagellation

[hazy laurel]

Excuse me

[languid osprey]

I use arch btw :P

[jovial island]

unless you need a slim machine and go for arch

[wide totem]

I just realized I can change the logger again to use the custom logger but I don't see much of a reason to tbh

[languid osprey]

Hi cypherial

[hazy laurel]

Excuse me! D:

[languid osprey]

Excuse you

[hazy laurel]

I'm going to cry

[languid osprey]

Oh no

My condolences

[hazy laurel]

:L "Ubuntu Fedora Arch"

hmph

I'm truly hurt

[languid osprey]

Haha

[jovial island]

to stop other logging

[jovial island]

what do you use?

[wide totem]

Wdym

Oh fuck

[hazy laurel]

you'd never guess

[wide totem]

Ur right

Sigh.

[jovial island]

Mint?

or sth of the like

[wide totem]

I have to keep that feature

[hazy laurel]

:/

my nickname

[jovial island]

what was that distro that the logo was a bunch of squareS?

oh

hahaha

[languid osprey]

Lmao

[jovial island]

the lizard

[hazy laurel]

I hope you're not talking about Manjaro

[jovial island]

maybe

[hazy laurel]

that's all I can think of with squares

[languid osprey]

I've been wanting to try opensuse :P

[jovial island]

no

[hazy laurel]

openSUSE Tumbleweed is gr8

[languid osprey]

Why not?

[jovial island]

manjaro is the one with the upside down L

[hazy laurel]

oh

that's Waluigi

[jovial island]

why do you go opensuse?

[hazy laurel]

Well... I wanted something rolling, right

but Arch's stupidly bleeding edge

[jovial island]

ohh

makes sense

[hazy laurel]

like when I was using Arch... everything would break constantly

[jovial island]

its a paper-cut edge distro?

[hazy laurel]

well... there's no blood

[jovial island]

arch to me is for slim virtual machines

[hazy laurel]

I disagree with that, personally

[jovial island]

why?

[languid osprey]

Arch can be used as a daily driver

Plenty of people do it

[hazy laurel]

Arch doesn't really improve performance at all

it depends mostly on what DE you use

[jovial island]

well the point of arch is to never invoke X at all

[languid osprey]

Arch is whatever you turn it into

[jovial island]

but at the same time having x dependencies

just in case

[hazy laurel]

uh... no I don't think so

Well I'm like 99% sure that's not true

[jovial island]

you might be right, im not a linux master, thats just what i decided arch was for after xorg-config broke for the 10th time

[languid osprey]

I use DE and X with arch

[hazy laurel]

because the ArchWiki guides you through DM and DE install

[languid osprey]

Well, a WM

[hazy laurel]

Arch can be used as a server

but that's definitely not it's main purpose

Arch's main upside is that it's DIY

[jovial island]

there's better distros for a server

[hazy laurel]

Yes, I agree

[languid osprey]

Yes but that probably wouldn't be the best use case for it, since it's not the most stable distro

[hazy laurel]

Arch's definitely more of a desktop distro, though

but since it's DIY... it can kinda be whatever you want it to be

[jovial island]

^

arch is gentoo for lazy people

[languid osprey]

Haha

[hazy laurel]

Arch has too much hype

and I'll preach that until the day I die

[languid osprey]

I have to fuck around with gentoo one of these days

[hazy laurel]

no

[jovial island]

i agree

[languid osprey]

Yes

I need the experience

[hazy laurel]

do you tho

[languid osprey]

I can forever brag

[jovial island]

its not at all what is hyped up to be

[hazy laurel]

Arch was more than enough for me haha

[jovial island]

do that one book

[hazy laurel]

Gentoo?

[languid osprey]

Haha

[jovial island]

"linux from scratch"

[hazy laurel]

LFS \👀

[wide totem]

I use deb and ubnutnu

[jovial island]

do that and you have the experience doubled

[wide totem]

And Ubuntu is so much more up to date smh

[hazy laurel]

oh yes... ubnutnu

[wide totem]

Debian is like. On kernel 4.4 stil

[jovial island]

the issue with ubuntu was the amazon shit

[hazy laurel]

was

[wide totem]

😳

[jovial island]

never forgiven

[hazy laurel]

I forgive Ubuntu completely tbh

[languid osprey]

Snap :P

[jovial island]

hahaha

[hazy laurel]

People complain about Snap too much

[languid osprey]

Ubuntu is fine imo

[wide totem]

What occurred?

[jovial island]

me too, i use lubuntu on one of my machines

[wide totem]

With Ubuntu?

[hazy laurel]

just... sudo apt purge --autoremove snapd

oops uninstall Snap in a single command

[languid osprey]

Lmao

[hazy laurel]

but even then

[jovial island]

im not sure uninstall is the same as the purge autoremove

[hazy laurel]

iirc Ubuntu (the GNOME flavor) is the only one with preinstalled snaps

[hazy laurel]

It's not

[jovial island]

if im not wrong the purge thing you posted removes orphan dependencies too

[hazy laurel]

and purge will remove relational files or something iirc

[jovial island]

its lika

[hazy laurel]

aka configs and stuff, me thinks

[jovial island]

install cmus -> 500 mb

uninstall cmus -> 50kb

[hazy laurel]

lol

[jovial island]

purge ... -> 499 mb

[wide totem]

Lmfao

Dependencies!!!

[jovial island]

yep

[wide totem]

BTW what happened with Ubuntu and Amazon?

[hazy laurel]

long time ago, there was some telemetry issues or something

[jovial island]

they had ads in the home button like w 10

obviously that comes with other shit that tells what ads to serve