ot2-the-original-pubsta

[jovial island]

Heh heh

[lucid osprey]

also haahstinkypop

[daring jay]

It's not pop

[dusky cliff]

wdym

[jovial island]

Did the image nearly get you @lucid osprey ?

[lucid osprey]

it did. it did

[jovial island]

Wh

[lucid osprey]

I'll them pop instead of poop thankyou

haha

[dusky cliff]

hm

[jovial island]

How

[lucid osprey]

yeah 🤔

[dusky cliff]

ctrl shift i probably

lol

[lucid osprey]

bruh

[jovial island]

Nice inspect mate

That's too far

[odd sphinx]

lol

[jovial island]

No human likes Brainfuck

[odd sphinx]

what about the brainfuckers?

nvm

lmfao

i will not think about that and i suggest u dont either

[jovial island]

Wow nice message

Lmfao

[jovial island]

Fuck, my secrets out

[echo fern]

what is this yellow tint

[wide totem]

wtaf never say this again

[odd sphinx]

agreed

[jovial island]

yeah idk why that happens

[wide totem]

u can say brainfuck users

[wide totem]

just not

[odd sphinx]

yes

i will do that

[echo fern]

The importance of punctuation in one comment

[wide totem]

brainfuckers

[odd sphinx]

lol

[dusky cliff]

lmao

[jovial island]

Oh lord

oh god

[jovial island]

This is the eats shoots and leaves situation

why must you think that way reptile

[daring jay]

Are you on night mode?

[wide totem]

fuck my secret out 😏

[jovial island]

yeah

[jovial island]

i always have it on

[echo fern]

immortalized

[dusky cliff]

lol

[daring jay]

If only we could .duckify 832275385034604615

[jovial island]

Come on reptile keep it fucking pg 13 for the goddamn kids

[jovial island]

with a little bit of inspection...

:bonk:

I'm never gonna live that down am i

[dusky cliff]

nop

[jovial island]

Shit

[daring jay]

Nah, this is hailarious

[jovial island]

Fair yeah

should we pin the message

[wide totem]

inspect element to revert it to its former state to get the screenshot

[lucid osprey]

damn.

[echo fern]

.raw 832274952174174210

!raw 832274952174174210

[clever salmon]

== Raw message ==

Fuck, my secrets out

[jovial island]

Heh heh

[echo fern]

nah, that doesn't retain the original

probably intentionally, since privacy stuff

[jovial island]

I may lose it if that message is pinged

yeah

[wide totem]

no?

[jovial island]

pin the messages

[wide totem]

its like

inherent in how it gets the raw

!src raw

[clever salmon]

Command: raw

Shows information about the raw API response.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/info/information.py:433

[wide totem]

basically it makes an api request

and discord doesn't save the github link

wtf was that message idk

guys!

i just realized something

[jovial island]

What

[dusky cliff]

what

[wide totem]

lets

mess with this graph and talk in this channel instead 😏

[daring jay]

Yeah

[echo fern]

let's what?

[daring jay]

Let's make ot2 more than ot1

[wide totem]

….did i not learn anything

lmfao

[jovial island]

Heh heh heh

Fool

[wide totem]

nooooo

[jovial island]

You've made a horrid mistake

[wide totem]

why do i have so many youtried emojis lmao

[lucid osprey]

bruh.

[wide totem]

lmao

[lucid osprey]

where do you get this graph?
🤔

[wide totem]

stats.pydis

[lucid osprey]

ohok.

[wide totem]

oh why do you need to troll me like that

[daring jay]

https://stats.pydis.com

[echo fern]

😏

[sudden swallow]

Lol

[daring jay]

@wide totem Too slow mate

[wide totem]

smh

oh hey

i just realized a benefit of not using ot0

[daring jay]

Hey Abby

[wide totem]

no

slowmode

😄

also less trolls

damn why don't we do this more often

[jovial island]

Wdym

[wide totem]

what what

[jovial island]

Heheeheheh

[daring jay]

You forgot "let's"

[jovial island]

Hold on

[daring jay]

Eh, I can get it

[wide totem]

i

didn't, i tend to send the first word plus enter lol

[jovial island]

with some fun with inspect, i can make anyone use custom emoji

[jovial island]

Ohhhh

Fuck

[jovial island]

😎

I still have the raw screenshot

[wide totem]

smh my discord lags so much that i can't do that

[wide totem]

just inspect it

[wide totem]

\🅱️

lmfao relevant to this

#ot0-fear-of-python message

[median blade]

repost

[lucid osprey]

change the graph pls

[wide totem]

don't use ot0

#boycott-ot0

[lucid osprey]

we can dewit

[jovial island]

Hell yeah

[echo fern]

what is real

[wide totem]

ur staff you shouldn't be framing people

[daring jay]

Dang

[echo fern]

argh, missing plot

[dusky cliff]

ban

[jovial island]

before:

[daring jay]

Reptile is on 🔥

[blissful coral]

explains why he is confused

[daring jay]

lol

[jovial island]

after (fun with inspect )

[lucid osprey]

yes the graph is rising

[wide totem]

i see no difference

[jovial island]

https://stats.pydis.org

[daring jay]

The emoji is weirded

[lucid osprey]

hey

[jovial island]

yeah it's a custom emoji

[lucid osprey]

lets start a conversation/

[median blade]

night light yay

[lucid osprey]

make this channel go brrr

[jovial island]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favourite color?**

Suggest more topics here!

[lucid osprey]

red

[jovial island]

red

[lucid osprey]

bruh give nice topic

[wide totem]

hot damn

[daring jay]

black

[wide totem]

this is daily

[lucid osprey]

the what

[daring jay]

Red is hot?

[jovial island]

This duh

[wide totem]

smh

[daring jay]

What, thats what you meant

Duh

[wide totem]

yes

[echo fern]

w-what h-happened, uwu

[daring jay]

I-

[lucid osprey]

bruh

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is the title of the last book you read?**

Suggest more topics here!

[lucid osprey]

I dont wanna say

[wide totem]

daily vs yearly

[lucid osprey]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**Name one famous person you would like to have at your easter dinner.**

Suggest more topics here!

[daring jay]

TFIOS

[lucid osprey]

JOE

[jovial island]

JOE

[daring jay]

I don't have easter dinner lol

[wide totem]

CHRIS

[daring jay]

I'm just waiting for Reptile to come back with something interesting

[wide totem]

oh wait i mean

JOE

[lucid osprey]

e

[echo fern]

uhh

[wide totem]

he's not interesting end of story

dine &

done

oh god

no

have your inspect fodder ig

[jovial island]

That can be inspected to shit have fun

[lucid osprey]

lol

[wide totem]

lmfao

i uh

yes

[lucid osprey]

bruh I need access to stickers smh

[daring jay]

Nitro users smh

[hazy laurel]

Do y'all think it's worth learning JS for WASM

[daring jay]

WASM?

[hazy laurel]

Web-Assembly

[daring jay]

Idk

[wide totem]

whats at solar mars?

[hazy laurel]

TL; DR: Run Rust code from your browser

[median blade]

ugly ass wumpus

[daring jay]

JS ain't a bad language in general

[lucid osprey]

lol

[hazy laurel]

I disagree \😂

[lucid osprey]

*refreshes the stats website*

[hazy laurel]

but gotta interface with Rust somehow

Now imagine Python + Rust but WASM

[languid osprey]

Hi :D

[lucid osprey]

hi

[hazy laurel]

that's Python + Rust + JS

[lucid osprey]

good that you're chatting here aboo

[languid osprey]

Mhm

We dont need ot0

[hazy laurel]

we do not

[lucid osprey]

boycottt

[languid osprey]

boycott ot0

[jovial island]

i didn't know we had a quiz in english

[languid osprey]

only ot2 from now on

[lucid osprey]

ok

yes

[daring jay]

ot2 ftw

[jovial island]

and i never studided

[echo fern]

well, you can take these bouncing balls I guess

I mean, it's not like I care or anything

baka

[lucid osprey]

*refreshes the stats website*

[hazy laurel]

oh my

[jovial island]

You missed a lot

and i got 100 percent :verycool:

[lucid osprey]

haha yess

[languid osprey]

oof

[daring jay]

That wasn't what I expected

[jovial island]

I see inspect fodder

oh no

[languid osprey]

Lol

[wide totem]

fwiw its not really gaming the stats site because ot2 and ot1 are generally just a lot more chill 😛

[hazy laurel]

you know I swear I see this if I focus hard enough

like... IRL

[wide totem]

since ot0 gets allllll

alllllll

allllll of the messages

[hazy laurel]

like y'all ever get up too fast

[hazy laurel]

and this is what you see

[languid osprey]

mhm

No

more

ot0

[jovial island]

A the time

[languid osprey]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favourite place that you have visited?**

Suggest more topics here!

[languid osprey]

Dubai was nice

[hazy laurel]

welp

[wide totem]

guys i did it

I muted ot0 so i wouldn't even look in it and be tempted to respond

[hazy laurel]

yep, did that too

[median blade]

e

[languid osprey]

i just have the whole server muted

[jovial island]

Pyquack duckbill

[wide totem]

i don't

[languid osprey]

lol

[echo fern]

now, if only I could remember the formulae for non-ideal gasses

[wide totem]

i actually individually muted every help channel

[languid osprey]

I mute all of my servers

I just cant stand having notifications

[echo fern]

something something attractive force and also repulsive when very close?

[hazy laurel]

This server has notifications off by default

[lucid osprey]

lol

[languid osprey]

oh

lol

[hazy laurel]

I only turn that off in servers that don't

[languid osprey]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favourite color?**

Suggest more topics here!

[languid osprey]

blue

blue

[hazy laurel]

purple

[lucid osprey]

reposted

[languid osprey]

blue is so good

[lucid osprey]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What was the last movie you saw in a cinema?**

Suggest more topics here!

[languid osprey]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What would you do if you know you could succeed at anything you chose to do?**

Suggest more topics here!

[lucid osprey]

F

[languid osprey]

lmao

[lucid osprey]

idk

[dusky cliff]

(P+an^2/V^2)(V-nb) = nRT

[median blade]

yes

[lucid osprey]

goto the olympics

[dusky cliff]

latex when 😔

[echo fern]

uhm

[languid osprey]

latex good

[jovial island]

Nice spelling

[lucid osprey]

ye.

[jovial island]

.latex this won't work

Sad

[dusky cliff]

😔

[languid osprey]

RIP

[lucid osprey]

guys I'm wondering whether the new feature to the bookmark command got merged

[jovial island]

😢

[echo fern]

.latex $\frac{P+\frac{a n^2}{V^2}}{V-nb} = n R T$

[jovial island]

Let's see

[lucid osprey]

react with that letter emoji to get the dm too

[languid osprey]

oh wait this channel doesnt have slowmode

[wide totem]

yes

[lucid osprey]

.bm 832282453270855751

[wide totem]

that makes this channel better

[median blade]

cog disabled lol

[languid osprey]

Is the bot just not working?

[echo fern]

😩

[wide totem]

cog is disabled

[languid osprey]

oh lol

[dusky cliff]

no my command lol

[daring jay]

Switzerland

[wide totem]

because it was causing crashes

[dusky cliff]

*cog

[jovial island]

.bm 832279718790692866 uwu

Nope

[lucid osprey]

yeah don't jeopardise it aha

[languid osprey]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**How many years have you spent coding?**

Suggest more topics here!

[lucid osprey]

bruh

[languid osprey]

1

Lol

[daring jay]

What message is that

[lucid osprey]

1 year and 1 month

[echo fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488104216678760469/832282622196449351/266216750876459008.png

[wide totem]

about like

[hazy laurel]

half a year...

[wide totem]

4 months but

[echo fern]

f-ing there.

[jovial island]

Since I was 9, so 4

[lucid osprey]

yeah cool

[languid osprey]

About one year and three month

[wide totem]

i also started two-three years ago

[median blade]

no

[lucid osprey]

*reloades graph website*

still no rise.

[echo fern]

oh yeah, lol

[jovial island]

INCREASE THE STATS

[echo fern]

but no, I'm actually looking for how each particle behaves

[jovial island]

les go

[languid osprey]

MORE STATS

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favorite movie?**

Suggest more topics here!

[echo fern]

want to implement it

[hazy laurel]

no

[jovial island]

lets talk intensely about rust

.bm 832282671706800209 fuck up this later

[lucid osprey]

lmao

[echo fern]

so, hmm... let's go with electrostatic repulsion and see where that ends up

[jovial island]

.bm 832282671706800209 fuck up this later

[jovial island]

Ok

[lucid osprey]

tenet is kinda cool.

[hazy laurel]

Man, I've really got to get myself a project

[lucid osprey]

lol

[jovial island]

ok, so what's your fave lang?

[lucid osprey]

yeah same

I need some ideas

[lucid osprey]

you're asking this in the PYTHON server

[median blade]

i kinda like julia now

[jovial island]

make a CLI tool that auto compiles and run java in one command

[lucid osprey]

bruh.

[hazy laurel]

maybe I can do something funky with F#

[jovial island]

i like rust

[hazy laurel]

what's funky to do with F#

[languid osprey]

Either rust or python

[jovial island]

yeah i like rust

[languid osprey]

Write a language, its fun :D

[hazy laurel]

no >:c

[jovial island]

i wish java could compile and run in one command

[languid osprey]

Well, java is fast

[jovial island]

nah

[lucid osprey]

damn

[jovial island]

i like cargo run

because i'm lazy

[languid osprey]

Yeah its cool

[jovial island]

i want smth similar to java

[languid osprey]

But java is very fast, it uses a JIT, so speeds are great

[jovial island]

yeah

i wanted to learn kotlin, but I decided to learn later

cargo build brain Amirite

yes

[languid osprey]

Java runs at C speeds

[jovial island]

yes

wait

[languid osprey]

yeah?

[echo fern]

naaah

I don't think that's nearly the case

[hazy laurel]

man, the more I keep looking at F# the more I don't want to write in it

[languid osprey]

Really?

[echo fern]

Java is usually way slower than actual compiled languages

don't ask me why, though

still faster than python

[hazy laurel]

Yes, Java will be slower for sure

[lucid osprey]

Hi

[languid osprey]

Huh, I looked at some benchmarks, java is sometimes faster than C

Oh wait

that was back in 2014

lmao

[jovial island]

lol

:bonk:

Hey @languid osprey I might bother you now

[lucid osprey]

language design xperttt

[languid osprey]

Sure

lol

[jovial island]

#help-orange

ot2 has surpassed ot1

let's get past ot0

[grim seal]

lol

[jovial island]

[wide totem]

hell yea

[jovial island]

hi joe

[wide totem]

#boycott-ot0

[grim seal]

for what purpose

[wide totem]

change the graph

[lucid osprey]

graph is always following the same pattern.

[wide totem]

^

[neat light]

I thought you only liked ot0 and hated the other two channels

[lucid osprey]

thanks for the new emoji.

who was it again?

[wide totem]

that was the general behaviour for a while

[lucid osprey]

indeed. But I do like change

[wide totem]

^

basically

here's a huge difference

[lucid osprey]

yeah ot0 is my favourite channel of my favourite server of my favourite app.

[wide totem]

oto=

ot2=

[lucid osprey]

yess.

[neat light]

So you're starting a revolution to change the graph

[wide totem]

ALSO SLOWMODE EXCUSE ME

[jovial island]

yes

[wide totem]

i mean yes, graph

[neat light]

Well this message is my contribution, you're welcome

[wide totem]

ty

also trolls

less trolls in non #oto channels

[jovial island]

;verycool;

[wide totem]

which does over time mean more thoughtful conversations in the other channels

[lucid osprey]

yes #boycott-ot0-and-ot1

[wide totem]

…but-mostly-ot0

[lucid osprey]

yes.

[wide totem]

#boycott-ot0-and-ot1-but-mostly-ot0

[idle comet]

!otn a boycott-ot0

[lucid osprey]

since that graph line is so high... the scale had to be changed to cope with the high numbers

[wide totem]

@neat light 🥺

[lucid osprey]

haha

AYY the line is going up.

less goo

[neat light]

What if we end up with ot0-boycott-ot0

[idle comet]

thats the fun of it

[lucid osprey]

yep.

[hazy laurel]

o_o

[wide totem]

That is the point

Ooh

[jovial island]

yes

[wide totem]

Imagine if an admin forcibly changed it to that

[lucid osprey]

haha

[daring jay]

We did it folks!

[lucid osprey]

yaay

[wide totem]

Step 1

[lucid osprey]

that red line is our next goal

[wide totem]

Step 2 will be harder but we can do it

And after that

The highest use

OF ALL OT CHANNELS OF ALL TIME

[lucid osprey]

yepp lets get to it.

[wide totem]

anyways let's just talk for the next 7 months

[lucid osprey]

yess

I'm now onwards starting convos in this channel.

[wide totem]

Inb4 replies to messages from other channels in ot2

[lucid osprey]

haha

good idea to direct conversations to this channel.

[daring jay]

That's just for today

[wide totem]

Yeah.

[daring jay]

Let's do it for the week

[wide totem]

We got a Lotta work

[lucid osprey]

yep.

[wide totem]

At minimum

[lucid osprey]

first goal is for this week.

hm.

[wide totem]

We can do it

[daring jay]

We already beat the week

[wide totem]

No lol

[echo fern]

is anyone interested in some charged balls? 👀

[wide totem]

Not even close

[wide totem]

Wut

[lucid osprey]

lol

I see it differently.

@daring jay

[daring jay]

I'm talking about ot1

[wide totem]

We beat 1 but not 0

[daring jay]

Yeah ik

[lucid osprey]

yeah but it isnt 27114 for me.

[wide totem]

We're gunning for 0

[lucid osprey]

timezones?

[daring jay]

I'm on the week span

Not day or month

[lucid osprey]

ohok

[wide totem]

Ah

[lucid osprey]

nvmm

[wide totem]

Oh shit

[lucid osprey]

.topic lets get to it

[rustic harbor]

**Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horses or one horse sized duck?**

Suggest more topics here!

[lucid osprey]

l a m e

o yea

[wide totem]

m!opt_in

@grim seal congrats I got myself

[lucid osprey]

@grim seal I wanna ask one thing

[wide totem]

Now my stuff will count for this channel

[lucid osprey]

if I opted out of the metricity thing.. my messages arent counted for that stats website.. messages per channel thing?

[jovial island]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**If you could be anyone else for one day, who would it be?**

Suggest more topics here!

[lucid osprey]

elon musj

[wide totem]

Doesn't matter by Sunday

But

I do wonder what it used to keep you out of

[daring jay]

Yeah, it wouldn't be there. But this Sunday, you'll be auto opted back in

[lucid osprey]

hmm.

[jovial island]

what's metricity again?

[lucid osprey]

yep joe's new pr

[daring jay]

@dawn spindle

[wide totem]

!metricity

Oh

[lucid osprey]

yeah

[daring jay]

m!help

[wide totem]

metricity#3

[jovial island]

what's his prefix?

[rustic harbor]

GitHub

Remove opt-out functionality

[lucid osprey]

!m

[wide totem]

m!

[lucid osprey]

m!

[jovial island]

m!help

[lucid osprey]

m! --help

[wide totem]

Lol

[lucid osprey]

m! help

[wide totem]

Only works in #bot-commands

Only.

[lucid osprey]

tf

[jovial island]

ight i opted in

[lucid osprey]

ok anywy..

[echo fern]

@wide totem @lucid osprey

[lucid osprey]

same

[daring jay]

https://git.pydis.com/metricity

[jovial island]

time for some skyrocketing

[lucid osprey]

naise.

[wide totem]

Very hot

[lucid osprey]

did you just generate this vid?

[echo fern]

yeah

[jovial island]

gib me code

[lucid osprey]

niicee.

[jovial island]

all code

[wide totem]

Hmmm

[echo fern]

hmm, maybe I can make it show the potential map too

that'd be pretty cool

[lucid osprey]

E

[echo fern]

though before everything, I should fix the timestep

[wide totem]

F

[lucid osprey]

bruh my rpc isnt updating the current file.

[wide totem]

Wut is rpc

[lucid osprey]

I'm on commands.py

[wide totem]

Oh

That

[lucid osprey]

rich presence

[wide totem]

Yes

EMacs wut

[lucid osprey]

yes.

I'm testing it out.

good so far.

[wide totem]

Ah

I installed sublime yesterday lel

[lucid osprey]

but still tho... not updating the new file !

[lucid osprey]

nice.

[wide totem]

I launched it once

Took one look

Went back to vsc and notepad++

[lucid osprey]

aand?

haha

[wide totem]

Don't get me wrong

Imo

[lucid osprey]

Mhm.

[wide totem]

Sublime text at first glance is notepad++ but updated UI

[lucid osprey]

hm.

[wide totem]

I didn't do much but that is what I thought

[lucid osprey]

aight.

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is the most satisfying thing you've done in your life?**

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[wide totem]

Smh

@lucid osprey you used #ot0-fear-of-python

[lucid osprey]

drink water when really really thirsty

[lucid osprey]

the what?

[sinful sun]

speaking of, get up and go drink some water

[lucid osprey]

no. I'm about to sleep

[wide totem]

Oh

[sinful sun]

drink water before you go to sleep wtf

[lucid osprey]

ok sorry that I betrayed.

[wide totem]

Hello @sinful sun

[sinful sun]

dont go to bed dehydrated

[odd sphinx]

stop ot2 talking

[lucid osprey]

that resulted in something happening while I sleep.

[wide totem]

And @full marlin hello

[lucid osprey]

I drank a glass 1 hour ago.

[sinful sun]

hello friend

[wide totem]

No u

[full marlin]

hey

[wide totem]

I mean stop Ot0 talk

[lucid osprey]

hello friend

[wide totem]

Talk here

Boycott ot0

[lucid osprey]

hey mariosis why are you talking in ot0

[full marlin]

why are we boycotting #ot0-fear-of-python

[sinful sun]

🥴

[wide totem]

Because of the stats

[lucid osprey]

get the graph risin'

[full marlin]

wot

[wide totem]

Also slowmode and trolls

[full marlin]

oh yeah no slow mode

nice

[lucid osprey]

https://stats.pythondiscord.com/

[wide totem]

Ot2 is just.... Better.

[lucid osprey]

look at the ot channel usage

[full marlin]

the mods then will eventually set a slow mode on this too

bc more people are talking in it

so you don't really fix anything

[lucid osprey]

don't jeopardise the current situation.

[wide totem]

Then we move to ot1 and leave Ot2 until they remove it.

[full marlin]

ok then they put a slow mode on every ot channel

[lucid osprey]

criminal mastermind.

[sinful sun]

are we upsetting the status quo

[full marlin]

idk

[sinful sun]

are we rising up against oppression

[wide totem]

Then we don't talk

[sinful sun]

gamers rise up

[wide totem]

Actually, #bot-commands has always looked like a nice conversation place

[full marlin]

no

don't talk there

[wide totem]

Yes

[lucid osprey]

yes.

[wide totem]

This channel

Become one with the concentric adults.

[lucid osprey]

.topic time

[rustic harbor]

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[grim seal]

the stats.pythondiscord.com site does not use metricity data, it's literally just counters

[wide totem]

Wut

Are you

Saying

I

I've been lied too

[lucid osprey]

okay.

[grim seal]

no you haven't

[wide totem]

*misinformed.

*misunderstood

[grim seal]

I can't pull data out of stats.pythondiscord.com and tell that a message was sent by you

[lucid osprey]

so you guys store channel data like message count without using metricity? I've been lied to then

[grim seal]

part of why removing opt in will help

[lucid osprey]

plotholes in this story.

[grim seal]

no, this is literally all stated in the privacy policy

[wide totem]

So what does the opt stuff do

WHAT WAS THE OPTING OUT FOR

[lucid osprey]

wait hold the phone.

[grim seal]

to opt out of metricity

[full marlin]

completely irrelevant

[wide totem]

But what parts of metricity

[full marlin]

but riverdale is terrible

[grim seal]

which is used internally primarily,, but also for voice verification, moderation, and more

[full marlin]

and no one can change my mind

[jovial island]

[full marlin]

my friend sent me a vid about their midseason finale

and it's a headache

[wide totem]

But the data

Not uses what data do I opt out of

[lucid osprey]

didn't joe just state that the metricity bot stores messages per channel and that frequency thing? so why did you say "the stats.pythondiscord.com site does not use metricity data, it's literally just counters"? which bot counts it then? also then what is the use of opting in and out.

[wide totem]

@clever salmon counts it

[lucid osprey]

ohh.

[grim seal]

all the stats.pythondiscord.com data comes from @clever salmon, the data is entirely anonymous, we cannot trace it back to you, and it's literally just a key pointing to an integer value

stats on metricity which is used for moderation, voice verification and other channel metric collection is collected by @dawn spindle and is a table of (message_id, channel_id, author_id, created_at, is_deleted)

[wide totem]

Why is it used for moderation?

[lucid osprey]

yeah okay.

[wide totem]

And which part of that was the opt out?

[grim seal]

The entire last line was the opt out

[lucid osprey]

opt out functionality is being removed anyways.

[grim seal]

I don't think we've really published how we use it for moderation, but it's case by case when we use the data.

[wide totem]

Examples?

[grim seal]

I don't think we're going to disclose those use cases, but one can probably imagine a few.

[lucid osprey]

good thing they don't log message content.

HMMM

[daring jay]

Only Python does that for deleted/edited messages.

Not metricity.

[grim seal]

Yep, no message content stored at the moment

[wide totem]

Give example case, then?

[daring jay]

atm?

[wide totem]

Because thats why I wanted to opt out

[grim seal]

As I mentioned, we're looking into things that might store content for natural language processing on the help channels, but before we go anywhere near that route we'll make opting out/protocol/retention very clear.

[daring jay]

👍

[grim seal]

I've just said, I'm not giving away those use cases.

[wide totem]

So that will be opt-out-able?

[lucid osprey]

but why dont you store message content? one can delete a message but that message can be offensive or breaching the language guidelines. The mods need to check the deleted message right? how would that work when message content isnt stored?

[grim seal]

Yes, that will be entirely opt-outable and we will remove all prior data when you opt out, if we go down that route.

[wide totem]

Python

[grim seal]

We handle that with @clever salmon by logging into a discord channel

[lucid osprey]

ohok.

wait so deleted message content is logged into a mod channel?

[wide totem]

Yes

[grim seal]

Yep

[wide totem]

And edits

[lucid osprey]

wtf.

[wide totem]

But removed after a specific amount of time iirc

I think?

[lucid osprey]

where in the privacy policy is this haha

[grim seal]

No, we don't remove data from Discord

[wide totem]

!privacy

Oh for

Joe

[grim seal]

it isn't on our infrastructure

[wide totem]

Can I make a tag pr for that

[grim seal]

it's stored on discord

[lucid osprey]

oh like that.

I thought the server admins have access to deleted message content okok.

[grim seal]

probably, yeah, but https://pydis.com/privacy suffices

all moderators and administrators can see deleted and edited messages

[wide totem]

Heh. When they use !purge or !clean that's off of discord.

That's what is removed from the database iirc.

In the privacy repor

[grim seal]

There are more cases that data ends up there, but yeah that's one of them.

[wide totem]

Yep

Like every invite sent and such

[grim seal]

No, that isn't stored

[lucid osprey]

I saw someone self doxx then immediately delete it.

[wide totem]

Heh.

[grim seal]

Anti-spam trips for multiple messages is stored

[wide totem]

I once sent a token to python lol

thank God the dm cog is gone now

[lucid osprey]

bruh. for reall?

[grim seal]

yeah, that's like... very common on discord

hah

[wide totem]

Yes

[lucid osprey]

discord not good.

boycott discord.

[wide totem]

Ik the dm cog is still there

Ditch discord. Get guilded

[lucid osprey]

lemme dm python bot.

[wide totem]

But it's not entirely there

!src Dm

[clever salmon]

Bad argument

Unable to convert 'Dm' to valid command, tag, or Cog.

[grim seal]

it's now reactive instead of proactive, yeah

[wide totem]

!src DmRelay

[clever salmon]

Command: dmrelay

Relays the direct message history between the bot and given user.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/moderation/dm_relay.py:19

[daring jay]

Guilded's UI sucks.

[grim seal]

we can export a users DM history if we think there is reason to do so

[wide totem]

Yes

And that uses

!d discord.TextChannel.history

[clever salmon]

discord.TextChannel.history

async for ... in history(*, limit=100, before=None, after=None, around=None, oldest_first=None)```
Returns an [`AsyncIterator`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.AsyncIterator "discord.AsyncIterator") that enables receiving the destination’s message history.

You must have [`read_message_history`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Permissions.read_message_history "discord.Permissions.read_message_history") permissions to use this.

Examples

Usage...

[grim seal]

mentioed under Python in the privacy policy

[lucid osprey]

best thing ever 😂 lemme dm the bot some roasts

[grim seal]

lul

[wide totem]

They won't see it unless they grab the history

[wide totem]

In such cases

It would be cool if it sent a dm

Lol

Alao

Also*

[lucid osprey]

yeah python replied to me haha.

[wide totem]

How it's written means that

[lucid osprey]

not today.. before

[wide totem]

It can't see anything that was deleted, yeah?

[lucid osprey]

?

it can r8

[grim seal]

I don't think that's such a good idea

[grim seal]

No, it cannot

[lucid osprey]

bruh.

[wide totem]

Why

[lucid osprey]

users will feel insecure.

[wide totem]

Imo it would make sense to let a user know hey, we just exported your dm history

[grim seal]

okay so, say something DMs something illegal to Python, we need to find the message links to report it, if we relay their history to find said links then they know and delete it, report is voided. you see?

[lucid osprey]

also its the dm to the bot? if they get that dm history logged. they cant worry about it

[wide totem]

Oh.

Makes sense.

[grim seal]

lol

[lucid osprey]

ah.

[grim seal]

yes

i did big brain

when i thought about this

[wide totem]

That system is a bit dumb but yeah

Like

Discord we know you cache this stuff

If they delete you can fetch it smh

[lucid osprey]

its like complaining about getting punched but you chose to be a boxer.

[grim seal]

lmfao

good analogy

[lucid osprey]

yeppp.

[grim seal]

but yeah like

now you can see why i wanted to remove metricity opt out

lol

[lucid osprey]

yes we do.

[wide totem]

Not really mostly.

[lucid osprey]

meh.

moderation purposes. The less you know the better.

[wide totem]

Is it related to this

[grim seal]

well, the data is fairly essential to the operation of the community, so that's one side of it. the other side is it's really hard to describe to users what they are opting out of (as was demonstrated above!). it's way easier to say "okay, this is all the data we have, there are no toggles, there is either an in or an out."

[lucid osprey]

ah 👍

[wide totem]

Hmm

Arguably most servers don't have metricity so it doesn't seem that essential

😛

[grim seal]

We're not most servers

we're python discord

lol

also bear in mind like...... a lot of servers have things like statbot

[wide totem]

I think it would thrive without it tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[grim seal]

I'd consider statbot considerably worse than metricity

[wide totem]

Why

[lucid osprey]

this serber BIG

[wide totem]

https://stats.pydis.com BRB checking something

[lucid osprey]

We're not most servers
we're python discord
-joe 2021.

:salute: 💯

[grim seal]

closed source, no privacy policy, so on

[atomic mantle]

eh?

wdym

[grim seal]

re: statbot

[atomic mantle]

ah

well what privacy and policy does statbot needs

[lucid osprey]

what does 're' mean?

[grim seal]

so I wouldn't be surprised if actually a lot of servers do have something along the lines of metricity

[dusky cliff]

regarding

[grim seal]

regarding

[atomic mantle]

i thought it was

[lucid osprey]

ohok.

[grim seal]

maybe telling us what it actually stores when you sent a message

[atomic mantle]

nvm

too weird

[atomic mantle]

ah

so like no privacy whatsoever

[hazy laurel]

import re

[atomic mantle]

and they can log ur messages

[grim seal]

not that I could find easily, no

and no way of validating through code since yeah, closed source

[atomic mantle]

boooo

that suck

i always make my code open source to get stolen

Your code is now my property

[lucid osprey]

f*ck closed source..
all my homies are open-sourcing

[atomic mantle]

that's actually creepy

like a stalker

[wide totem]

brb opting in to @dawn spindle

[grim seal]

lol

[atomic mantle]

each one assigned to each user it can see

[wide totem]

much better than other bots

10/10 code

[hazy laurel]

Meanwhile, you.. as a Windows user

[grim seal]

but yeah like that's my point

[wide totem]

9/10 data usage

[grim seal]

on the large scale, metricity stores pebbles

[atomic mantle]

we use windows for some reason

[lucid osprey]

doesnt make us feel any more safe haha.

[grim seal]

exactly, that's what I thought when I read that

[atomic mantle]

lmao

[lucid osprey]

the circumstances are inevitable.

[atomic mantle]

yeah i can see that

the data aren't gonna get deleted

imagine having a message saying

[hazy laurel]

Dunno if that's supposed to make sense lol. it's completely situational

[atomic mantle]

"i have a roblox girlfriend"

and statbot keeps it

[wide totem]

@grim seal

[grim seal]

yea

[lucid osprey]

yes the circumstances don't allow me to use other os'es

[grim seal]

yeah

that's statbot

[wide totem]

m!opt_in best non-stalker

m!opt_in best non-stalker

m!opt_in best non-stalker

[lucid osprey]

what

[atomic mantle]

spem

[wide totem]

OPT ME INNNNNNNNNN

[hazy laurel]

banned

[grim seal]

lol

this sunday

[lucid osprey]

yepp

[wide totem]

nah i just did it myself 😰

[atomic mantle]

okay bye

[wide totem]

it would be nice for a bit more of the stored info to be a bit more public

imho

[grim seal]

for metricity?

[wide totem]

yes

[lucid osprey]

lets use that command while it still exists.. emotional attachment with 🥲

[wide totem]

and possibly a way to view our own stats

[grim seal]

i'd be down to integrate it with stats.pydis.com somehow! I just haven't had the time

[wide totem]

damn

[wide totem]

i would love this

[lucid osprey]

yea to see our own stats

[grim seal]

generally we call that "ping joe"

[wide totem]

although in order to not make it a competition

[lucid osprey]

so we feel safe that all we can see is all the admins can see.

[wide totem]

ping joe

joe ping

joking

[grim seal]

to give an overview of metricity

hold on

hmmm

[wide totem]

!otn a joe ping joking

[lucid osprey]

yes joe gimme some thing from my activity

[grim seal]

lol

i'm just gonna roll through what metricity specific records look like

[lucid osprey]

whats my message sending frequency? one message per 10 mins average?

[grim seal]

that's a user record

[lucid osprey]

.randomcase look it up joe and gib me ans

[rustic harbor]

loOk It UP jOE aNd GiB Me ans

[lucid osprey]

btw joe.

[grim seal]

this is a message record

[lucid osprey]

oh.

[wide totem]

i think it would be nicer if it didn't track is_deleted

[lucid osprey]

the user joined date in the bot is inaccurate.

[wide totem]

aka if it is deleted

remove it

[lucid osprey]

meh

[wide totem]

or something else

imo

[lucid osprey]

let them see if its spam

idk

[grim seal]

is_deleted is purely an anti-spam, and a very useful one for that

[lucid osprey]

if I leave and rejoin this very moment.. !user embed will be wrong.

[wide totem]

does @clever salmon integrate to do anti-spam?

[lucid osprey]

it auto-mutes r8

[wide totem]

yes but does it integrate

[grim seal]

no, no anti-spam collabs sadly

[wide totem]

"sadly"

[grim seal]

lol

[wide totem]

i mean fwiw

you had

m!opt_out

[grim seal]

yea

[wide totem]

so uh, a collab would be buggy hehe

bro i wanna give @dawn spindle a few commands

[grim seal]

lol

[wide totem]

an about metricity command

[lucid osprey]

yes.

[wide totem]

and a privacy command and stuff

[grim seal]

i'm down

lol

[daring jay]

I still have to do that for Python.

But I need to finish Lance first.

[lucid osprey]

!user exists.

[clever salmon]

Bad argument

Could not convert "user" into Member or FetchedUser.
The provided argument can't be turned into integer: exists.

Command Help

!user [user]
Can also use: member_info, member, u, user_info

Returns info about a user.

[grim seal]

it was always the plan to have some level of data export in the metricity bot

like uhh

any volunteers

[daring jay]

Me

[grim seal]

opted in volunteers

[lucid osprey]

!user 832299175978074183

[grim seal]

alright you

[clever salmon]

Bad argument

Could not convert "user" into Member or FetchedUser.
User 832299175978074183 does not exist

[lucid osprey]

me as well

!user 785425328033103872

[clever salmon]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[lucid osprey]

srslly? it showed the error, and when i made it right.. "not allowed here"

[grim seal]

it was a plan to pull out stats like this

and this

[lucid osprey]

then don't show the error here!

nice joe.

[grim seal]

and have those accessible through the bot in discord in #bot-commands

[lucid osprey]

gimme mine pls.

[grim seal]

lol alright

[daring jay]

Ooh, that's nice

[daring jay]

Yes please

[lucid osprey]

yay