ot2-the-original-pubsta

[lucid osprey]

hmm

[vague shadow]

I'll raise it with other staff

[lucid osprey]

waittt

lemme do it

wait nvm #community-meta 🥴

[jovial island]

Yeah, I would use "being"

[lucid osprey]

yeah

it changed

#community-meta

@vague shadow can you check community meta once again I got one more doubt 🥴

[dusky cliff]

@lucid osprey sorry for ghost ping 🥴

[real forum]

wait wtf

[odd sphinx]

#help-chili

congrats bro

[lament kestrel]

Congratulations, you're famous.

[odd sphinx]

u have a fruit/veggie named after u

[real forum]

ikr

im so well known

[sinful sun]

Dude, dont cross post

Ask in a help channel if you have a python question

[hazy shuttle]

Thats no python question

thats why i am asking here

[sinful sun]

Yea well ask in a single channel

Bruh

Youre cross posting again

[latent oxide]

how do you approach documenting an app/prodcut for client?

aka they want to understand how different pieces interact with each other

what can be possible bottlenecks, a bit about data structure etc

[drifting venture]

Honestly? I google for something similar than adapt it to mine

[latent oxide]

😂 something similar it what sense?

like if the app was pretty much custom made for client

[drifting venture]

Well, mainly for what generally to put in it and what format and such the documentation would be in

[neat crane]

i do that too

[drifting venture]

Like, when making modules, I'd look at python's documentation, numpy's documentation to figure out how to do mine

[latent oxide]

i mean, i'm not sure they want like technical /api doc

more like business logic and etc

[drifting venture]

oh

I'd still try to find an example to go off of

[latent oxide]

I kinda tried and failed.

So I actually asked the clients explicitly

To show me example of what they expect

[drifting venture]

🇫

What did they respond with

[latent oxide]

Nothing yet

[drifting venture]

Ah

[latent oxide]

They are kinda busy so I have to relaunch

Thought to do some research ask around meanwhile

[drifting venture]

for sure

[latent oxide]

But I don't even know of best places to ask xD

I gonna ask our CTO too

If they did anything like that

I do hope for clients answer

Cause I don't want to venture deep into doing something if it is not what they expect

[latent oxide]

@upbeat sandal wtf VISTA?? I feel dirty reading your nickname 😛

[upbeat sandal]

good

#windowsvistaswag

[latent oxide]

and pinging you, is like I've sinned

😂

[upbeat sandal]

pinging me is the best way to let me know that there's a message directed at me. I almost never check if someone has responded to me in non-staff channels if I'm not pinged.

[latent oxide]

afaik reply pings ?

[upbeat sandal]

If you have something you want me specifically (and not moderators in general), ping me once you've finished your thought. Reply pings are better if it's response to a specific message.

[latent oxide]

also, I'm just messing with you cause of your name, not like I needed you to reply to that message

[upbeat sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/you-ever-want-to-talk-im-here-here-for-you-you-can-talk-to-me-lets-talk-gif-15841875

except when I'm not, of course.

[latent oxide]

hehe I've doubt. anyway it's past midngint so I am about to hit a sack

[upbeat sandal]

poor sack

[latent oxide]

you've no idea

[upbeat sandal]

You know Wilford Brimley, who is famous among internet people for "diabeetus"?

[latent oxide]

no

[upbeat sandal]

nevermind then

[latent oxide]

🙂

[wide totem]

@upbeat sandal

rm -r /vista

[upbeat sandal]

nou

[wide totem]

Oh god

Imagine if windows

[upbeat sandal]

wat

[wide totem]

Had a sudo equalivant

It'd be

[upbeat sandal]

Windows having a nice terminal

[wide totem]

bill

[upbeat sandal]

I guess powershell is okay

[wide totem]

>>> bill echo apple is better
Windows is better```

[upbeat sandal]

I'd rather have Windows than any Apple OS

at least Windows has games

[wide totem]

Forcibly installed

[upbeat sandal]

like, minesweeper?

[wide totem]

No, saved to the start menu and if you click on them they install

[upbeat sandal]

o

[wide totem]

Ye

[upbeat sandal]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[wide totem]

Imo Linux > windows > macOS unix

[latent oxide]

My work comp is Mac air

😕

[upbeat sandal]

can it even do math?

[latent oxide]

What kind 😂

[upbeat sandal]

any

[latent oxide]

It can run python xD

And calculator

[upbeat sandal]

I doubt.

[latent oxide]

Even excel

Discord too

[upbeat sandal]

no

[latent oxide]

Yp

I used it to ping ya

[upbeat sandal]

You are cancelled

[latent oxide]

Too late

Am not happy tho

Switching from dell on Ubuntu to air

[upbeat sandal]

I would refuse

[latent oxide]

Especially when they bought 2019 instead of m1 @upbeat sandal

Like I had a choice

[full marlin]

My macbook pro runs discord and excel

but I can hear the fans whirring when I turn on my front facing camera for Zoom

[latent oxide]

Macos sucks at vidéo calls or screen share

Instant 100° for cpu

Funnily Skype web is less of a resource hog than Skype native macos client

[tall widget]

Macbooks aren't designed to run their CPU at full capacity for long, they have very poor thermals.

[latent oxide]

Ye

[tall widget]

It does, runas and elevate.

[wide totem]

👀

oh

right

*runas

[unreal sigil]

From what I've heard the newer macs have some better thermals, but what I know for sure is that my 2017 macbook pro is godawful in terms of thermals

Fans rev up watching youtube

[jovial island]

@unreal sigil i don't use pycharm for this very reason

[full marlin]

zoom murders my mac

[wide totem]

👀

[blissful coral]

I think LTT covers that the M1 MacBook Pro pretty much outperformed other laptops on battery life with the stress test and pretty awesome thermals.

[wide totem]

my fan is always loud on my laptop

[blissful coral]

I wish I had the $$ for the M1 air

[blissful coral]

For some reason, zoom is pretty heavy on laptops. I use zoom on my Ipad and it works sooo sweetly. Its incredible

plus it can run YT with zoom so no getting bored in classes haha 😁

[tribal tinsel]

I have to do sysrq+f sometimes when I do zoom calls because either my PyCharm with 3 projects opened at once or my browser freezes the whole thing

[median blade]

I wonder how a equally priced ryzen 7 will compete with the Mac air

[blissful coral]

idk. check his channel - Ibeleive he ran test with similar price range

Plus its pretty impressive that the M1 is just so less cooled and takes less power to still be able to compete with the biggies

[median blade]

It supposedly beats amd at single core but amd wins at multicore

Which imo is a bit sad since mac is not for gaming

[median blade]

It's uses the 5nm process

Whereas all others are on 7nm

[rain trench]

fanart time

Look at this dilf

Muah

[odd sphinx]

what

[old lance]

Is that light?

[dusky cliff]

no its heavy

[tall widget]

no that's <generic male anime protagonist/antagonist>

[dusky cliff]

lol

[odd sphinx]

lol

[jovial island]

Would you use an android phone with Microsoft services instead of google services ?

For example, Microsoft Log in , Outlook, Microsoft Maps, People app etc.

[sudden swallow]

Nope

[jovial island]

How about firefox login ?

Since android is open source, mozilla can use it and make their own devices

[tall widget]

The amount of useful software google provides is a bit different than microsoft.

[jovial island]

but Microsoft has almost all the alternative apps to google apps

only the microsoft maps suck

[tall widget]

[dense flume]

hey i need help with setting up vscode
so I get this when I try to run my code

I even tried re installing vscode but it still didnt work

[jovial island]

Sorry, I am not an expert. 🙂 But have you tried other software, such as pycharm?

[dense flume]

ya pycharm works but I am working with c++ rn

so thats y I am using vscode

and I dont wanna use xcode since it takes too much space

[jovial island]

okay.

[jovial island]

there is a software called code blocks

[rare moat]

this is epic.

rectangular boxes. absolutely jaw-dropping.

[tranquil ridge]

howd you get them

[rare moat]

the Curses module.

each window takes up a specific percent of the screen.

well, each "window" is separated into columns that do.

each column can have windows inside of them.

the first column will go from column 0 to the column at 50% of the terminal width.

the second column will go from 50% of the terminal width, to 100% of the terminal width.

thus, each taking up one half.

[tranquil ridge]

yeah but howd you get that inside vim

[rare moat]

oh that is what you meant.

NeoVim has a terminal emulator built in.

you can open it in any buffer.

:term or :terminal

[tranquil ridge]

o bruv

i thought that was the editor

:(((

[rare moat]

[rare moat]

i fixed the windows. now size is based off the screen's 0, 0 instead of the window's 0, 0

[tranquil ridge]

[round moss]

@ebon pelican hello, please do not post into every off topic channel, just one will do

[ebon pelican]

shit

[median blade]

lmao

[odd sphinx]

well i only use outlook and teams

[languid osprey]

Lol

[stark drum]

Is there a java channel or discord server

[pure patio]

I don't know if this is the right channel for it, but I get friend requests almost every day from people who want to buy my account. What should I do?

[round moss]

report to discord T&S and block. If they are from this server, report to @vapid maple as well

[echo fern]

I wonder why, your ID isn't special or anything

[round moss]

early verified bot developer

[pure patio]

I think its because i have this:

[echo fern]

ah, fair enough

[pure patio]

I cant dm @vapid maple

[round moss]

that is weird

what does it say?

[tawdry salmon]

Can I ask what bot did you make?

[pure patio]

A Bot about the game VALORANT

[echo fern]

Did you enable this?

(It's a shame Discord doesn't allow, say, allowing specific bots to send you messages. It's pretty weird that you need to do this just to message a bot.)

[pure patio]

oh i had disabled it

[pure patio]

I do not know if this is grammatically correct

[soft quiver]

o.O @naive finch when did you become helper?

also congrats for whenever that was

[naive finch]

thanks!

[kindred ocean]

sometimes i just wnna go learn c# or java because python has a severe lack of brackets and semi-columns :(

[stone glade]

my code is savage

[marble mauve]

[crude trail]

I dont like the rename of the help channels. They make me hungry

[wide totem]

Same tho

Hm

I got some ideas

[alpine adder]

ok

[wide totem]

hi

[alpine adder]

EE vs CS which is harder major?

[bright leaf]

@alpine adder When you have a linear time-invariant system, that is a differential/difference equation, often in mutliple dimensions, you can describe the behaviour of its output using a convolution with an impulse response. One cool thing about linear time invariant systems is that complex sinusoids are eigenfunctions of linear time invariant systems, so given the right transforms (in the case of continuous systems Fourier/laplace transforms and in discrete Z transforms), you can diagonalize convolutions. This creates what we call the transfer function, the multiplication with which in a frequency domain gives the output to any input for the system. This transfer function consists of rational complex polynomials.

[wide totem]

what is ee and cs?

[bright leaf]

The solutions to these rational polynomials are the poles and zeros of the transfer function and these poles and zeros uniquely characterize LTI systems

The graph is the complex plane in Z domain for which you're judging the behaviour of the system using the poles and zeros

That's how little you know what you're talking about

[sinful sun]

This might sound like an opinion but i can assure you all its not, EE is harder

[bright leaf]

Sure you can write a simple algorithm to calculate a high school level standard deviation formula but the EE subjects at the same level are at an entirely different level of difficulty to your 3rd year algorithms course

[full marlin]

I would take mariosis’s word for it

[wide totem]

.

[bright leaf]

Electrical engineering and computer science

[full marlin]

electrical engineering and computer science

[wide totem]

ty

[full marlin]

@bright leaf dude what language is this

[bright leaf]

That is the subject I TA lol

[full marlin]

oh wow

[bright leaf]

Signal processing is insanely difficult

And it's a prerequisite for every EE in the world

[full marlin]

I read that paragraph like 5 times and I don’t even know what I read

[bright leaf]

There's a lot of maths in EE that you sort of need to internalize and signals and control stuff just gets insanely abstract and complex

[alpine adder]

data strucutres and algorithms is a first year couse

[bright leaf]

The course you linked is CIS350. AFAIK at UMich 300 level courses are 3rd year courses

[alpine adder]

its still a first year concept

CIS

lol

was it really CIS

[alpine adder]

i guess thats why it was third year

CIS =/= CS

[bright leaf]

Sure, show me a 3rd year CS course that's more difficult 😊

[alpine adder]

system programming

[bright leaf]

EEs do that too lol

And it's really not that hard

[alpine adder]

im not one to ask i find concepts easier than most do, but sysprogramming difficulty depends on the assignment not concept

like you can say its easy all day but is EE sys pro to the depth of CS sys pro

how often were your assignment

[bright leaf]

We take the same systems programming lol

Not sure why you think EEs aren't excellent at systems programming. It's a rough course assignment wise but so are most courses in EE

EEs actually have harder low level programming courses ahead because we have super in depth courses in embedded right after. RTOS, coding theory, DMA, etc

If you think avoiding seg faults is hard, imagine that with actual hardware problems and theory to deal with alongside

Idk how you can keep claiming CS is objectively the hardest when you don't even know what EEs do

[alpine adder]

you didnt give assignment frequency

[bright leaf]

I don't see how that's relevant lol when assignment length and difficultly can vary regardless of frequency

[alpine adder]

assume exponentially

[bright leaf]

Everything I bring up in response to you you ignore and move onto the next dumb point

There's no point arguing with someone with a chip on their shoulder and no desire to have a fair augment

[alpine adder]

you keep bringing up concepts but I dont believe that is what make a major difficult

[wicked hollow]

EE and CS both do lots of programming. They're just different types of programming with different emphasis.

EE courses leave you better prepared for assembly programming, systems programming, and kernel development than CS courses would.

CS courses focus more on theory and higher level software development patterns

[bright leaf]

Get a load of this guy @wicked hollow

[full marlin]

The lack of grammar is killing me I keep having to re read it

[wicked hollow]

EE and CS both learn software, at different levels of the stack. Pretty much no one is comfortable in the whole stack.

[bright leaf]

ECEs...

[wicked hollow]

not really. There's so many layers of abstraction, and so much to know, that there's no major that can possibly teach you how things work at every layer in only 4 years.

[bright leaf]

Not really? Asm + C + systems level + application level + networking + webdev is very easily covered in a single degree

With tons of space for hardware left

[wicked hollow]

god, I don't think I even agree that networking can be fully covered in a 4 year degree.

[bright leaf]

I mean, you have to really stretch the definition of what it means to be comfortable with a part of the stack

No degree makes you an expert in everything but comfortable?

[wicked hollow]

hm. 802.11 WiFi? 4G LTE?

[bright leaf]

ECEs here have required intro programming in python, Java, microcontrollers/asm, embedded, FPGA and comparch, advanced embedded. Add in a couple networking and webdev subjects as electives you're pretty darn comfortable with how almost everything works.

[full marlin]

What’s an ece

[wicked hollow]

I'll agree that's much better than either a CS or an EE major would cover.

[bright leaf]

Most of wifi and cellular networking is well covered in one EE telecommunications course. Taking in next semester actually, it's pretty great

It's not gonna go over niche protocol details but you'll have a darn good idea of modulation and relevant coding theory

And combined with a networking course it's pretty comprehensive

[bright leaf]

Electrical and comp eng. Generally it's EE with a few more programming or hardware/comparch requirements, and the power engineering course taken out

[full marlin]

Oh that’s cool

[bright leaf]

Yeah it's not hugely different, usually you can get the same stuff through just electives

[full marlin]

I don’t even think UB has that major they just teach electrical engineering w the computer engineering major

[bright leaf]

Eh close enough

EE vs ECE vs CE is not totally standardised

EE is mostly standardised but CE isn't and that makes ECE (if it exists) sort of variable

On that note, telecommunications hype

Statistics + information theory + coding theory + signal processing + random RF stuff?

Count me in

[alpine adder]

intro python and java lol

[bright leaf]

Intro to programming in python, further programming in java*

Java one focuses on higher level software dev practices

[alpine adder]

if youre not a cs major, comparing your software skills to one is brave

[bright leaf]

Not really about learning Java as much as design patterns, testing, etc

[bright leaf]

I will bet any CS major against my software skills

[wicked hollow]

CS majors don't really teach much software skills, realistically. They spend a lot more time teaching theory than teaching software development skills. Software Engineering degrees do a much better job of teaching software skills.

[alpine adder]

you say as you reverse a linked list in 15 lines of code

[full marlin]

😀

[bright leaf]

Bruh, I passed my Microsoft interviews with much harder questions than reversing linked lists for 4 hours

[full marlin]

You’re really gonna test your algo skills against someone from Microsoft??

[alpine adder]

i dont see why not, they arent a cs major

[full marlin]

oh boy

[bright leaf]

??? I beat a treasure trove of other CS majors to get in at Microsoft

Statistically speaking I'm much better than the vast majority of CS majors at software and algorithms things

[alpine adder]

couldve got in for multitiude of things

[bright leaf]

Literally couldn't have, they tested my algorithms skills for 4 hours

[alpine adder]

being an EE you have value in being unique

[wicked hollow]

and, again: reversing a linked list isn't exactly the pinnacle of "software skills". That's something that a software engineer is likely to never need to do in real life.

[bright leaf]

I am not an EE, I wasn't doing low level

I was doing cloud level software for machine learning

[full marlin]

Does this guy know how hard FAANG interviews actually are

[bright leaf]

Or how they work

Can't go through without a bunch of algos lol

[full marlin]

you should be asking raggy questions about his experience

like as a guide

[alpine adder]

mckinsey is harder

[wicked hollow]

which is actually really just a flaw in our ability to interview people, honestly.

[sinful sun]

This is still going lmao

[bright leaf]

Redmagic has an insane inferiority complex

[full marlin]

Back and forth for the last hour or two I think

[wicked hollow]

We focus on algos way out of proportion to their relative importance, because they're a thing that's easy to evaluate, not because they're a thing that developers need to know.

[alpine adder]

cant have that if im not inferior

[full marlin]

oh boy

[sinful sun]

Just to be clear, nobody said you were inferior, you seem to be taking this way too personally

[alpine adder]

this

[bright leaf]

Inferiority complex doesn't mean being inferior

[full marlin]

Idk what it means

[bright leaf]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferiority_complex

[full marlin]

What does it mean again

oh

[sinful sun]

Nobody said anyone is/was inadequate, why this whole debate on ee vs cs

And why are you so accepting of medschool being harder than cs but not ee

You dont even know what its about

[alpine adder]

i said medschool is said to be harder than both not just cs

[sinful sun]

Harder than both means harder than cs too, but apparently nah, nothing is harder than cs

[alpine adder]

medschool isnt harder in certain terms, i explained this

i think difficulty comes from assignments

[wicked hollow]

"difficulty" is a weird metric anyway. Flipping a coin 20 times in a row and getting heads every time is difficult, but not rewarding or worthwhile.

[alpine adder]

not concepts or memorization

[sinful sun]

What makes you think cs assignments are harder than ee when you've never studied ee

[dusky cliff]

lol

[wicked hollow]

courses are more difficult if you have worse teachers than better ones - is that desirable?

[alpine adder]

because cs is extremely tough, i have 5 intensive programming courses and no time. and for a virtual reality research and dev course I had to write 30 pages while coding in C#

thats just cs, i also have math courses

[sinful sun]

How do you know its not tougher for EE students

[wicked hollow]

maybe CS courses are harder than other courses because CS professors are worse teachers than other professors.

[bright leaf]

Maybe it's just hard for you because you're not smart 🤡

[full marlin]

You’re really gonna argue against someone who took both of the majors

Knowing when you’ve lost in an argument is one of the most important parts

[sinful sun]

Maybe it is the professors, maybe not, maybe its just someone being salty over a damn course

[wicked hollow]

I don't know whether EE is harder than CS or not - I suspect that depends more on the school than anything intrinsic about the degree. But - why is difficulty even relevant?

[sudden swallow]

[wild compass]

toughness can be subjective, but also varying due to certain situations

[sinful sun]

Its not, but someone's taking it personally for some reason

[alpine adder]

respect

[bright leaf]

Because someone got salty mariosis who moved from EE to CS because difficulty said EE was harder

[wild compass]

but somethins are just objectively harder

[alpine adder]

not EE

[full marlin]

You’ve never taken EE

[bright leaf]

You respect people only based on the the difficulty of their courses??

[wild compass]

i wouldnt know bc ive never done ee

[bright leaf]

That's a yikes

[full marlin]

how do you even say it’s easier?

[alpine adder]

no

[sinful sun]

Ok at this point im just gonna ignore whatever this redmagic dude has to say

[full marlin]

Dude is a troll

[sinful sun]

I've seen low effort trolling better than this

[full marlin]

he’s done this before too I just can’t remember what scenario

[wild compass]

like said before

1. you don't know ee is harder because uve never taken ee
2. it doesn't even matter which is more difficult

[wicked hollow]

sure, it's clearly trolling and it's not interesting as a topic. But as a meta-topic: why should someone be proud that they found their courses difficult?

[wild compass]

yeah ikr

[wide totem]

I thought that was you 👀 /s ofc

[wicked hollow]

the meta-topic is more interesting.

[sinful sun]

Overcoming something difficult is how you grow

Why wouldnt you be proud of it

[wide totem]

@bright leaf 😔 i reread dms lmao. Again.

[dusky cliff]

well
if i thought i was doing something difficult and managed to complete it
i'd be proud too

so

[wild compass]

yeah true

[sinful sun]

Also getting a degree should make everyone proud

[wicked hollow]

yeah, that's true. But, difficulty in itself is not a worthwhile thing to aspire to - there's no intrinsic virtue in something being difficult.

[bright leaf]

I wonder if I'm the common link. Everyone starts talking out of their ass about subjects they don't know anything about as soon as I start talking here

[sinful sun]

Doesnt matter if its from MIT or a community college

[wide totem]

It's happened when you aren't here, don't worry.

[wicked hollow]

calling a coin flip 20 times in a row correctly is difficult, but not valuable.

[wild compass]

but u shouldnt be pushing ur superiority of having a "more difficult course" over others

[bright leaf]

Speak for yourself, I could make a lot of money in gambling doing that

[dusky cliff]

lol

[wild compass]

lmao

[wicked hollow]

if you could do it more than once in your life, maybe 😛

[sinful sun]

Its not difficult just improbable

[wide totem]

If you can do it once even

[alpine adder]

difficulty i deal with should be acknowledged

[sinful sun]

What makes it difficult, no physical effort is exerted, no mental strain

[wild compass]

u have to have the persistence to flip a coin that many times

20 times in a row is 1 in a million, which is some damn determination

[dusky cliff]

the probablity is 9.5367431640625e-07 🥴

[wicked hollow]

meh, fine. Something skills based, then: drawing a perfect circle freehand, or something. Difficult, but not intrinsically valuable. Or correctly estimating the number of jellybeans in a jar.

[bright leaf]

I'll take it!

[median blade]

damn

[bright leaf]

I wish I could estimate correct numbers of jellybeans

[sinful sun]

Funny you say that, freehand circle drawing has become a meme nowadays, could make tou lots of money on youtube

[dusky cliff]

perfect freehand circles are so... beautiful

[bright leaf]

I need to do like a proper study of jar volumes and jelly bean packing density factors etc some day

[alpine adder]

I simultaneously learn/code in C#, C, Python, sql, unity, linux, and more tools in addition to the theory behind them, plus mathematics courses and multiple compounded assignments due weekly. i have no time

[full marlin]

My friends who draw a lot can draw perfect circles

[dusky cliff]

i can't even draw a perfect freehand straight line 😔

[wicked hollow]

heh, lots of things that can make you money on youtube aren't intrinsically valuable, but true 😄

[wide totem]

That would get me a jar of jellybeans. And even win me a car, wtf are you talking about. If I could guess the number of jelly beans then I get a car. And a jar of jelly beans which is arguable more important.

[dusky cliff]

yes

[wild compass]

if u have no time, then why are u arguin w/ us rn

[median blade]

oof

[full marlin]

Got em

[dusky cliff]

sigh

[sinful sun]

Go inject a dependency or whatever you hard cs dudes do

[bright leaf]

You think people who have to learn electromagnetism, signal processing, control theory and analogue electronics have free time? And they've already harder maths courses than CS

[wide totem]

Damn, one hand per two keyboards plus foot pedals to simultaneously code in c# c, python, sql, unity, and Linux, which must all be programming languages because you code in them?

[alpine adder]

all in the same semester?

[wide totem]

Oh, you mean async. Not all at the exact same time.

Gotcha

[bright leaf]

Yes, that's an average third year first semester for EEs

[median blade]

damn

[bright leaf]

Actually no, emag is second sem

[sinful sun]

CS isnt even the hardest science

[wide totem]

btw if you have no time why are you on discord

[alpine adder]

clearly arent giving them much assignments

[full marlin]

The EE kids I knew freshman year didn’t even leave their room

[alpine adder]

what is?

[sinful sun]

Isk but not cs

[wild compass]

there probably isnt one

[alpine adder]

CS is top tier difficulty

[wild compass]

not rly

[alpine adder]

it is

[bright leaf]

Sorry no, replace emag with embedded

[wide totem]

Ffs. You called Linux and sql stuff you learn code in. I think you might be the one who doesn't do all of their assignments.

[dusky cliff]

cs is difficult
ee is difficult
can we move on ffs

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**What is your favourite color?**

Suggest more topics here!

[dusky cliff]

blue

[median blade]

cs

[wild compass]

blue

[sinful sun]

EE is more difficulter

[wild compass]

what color is cs?

[alpine adder]

CS

[wide totem]

Orange

[median blade]

lol

[wild compass]

lol

[full marlin]

I like red

[dusky cliff]

i liek the bred

[wild compass]

blurples also really nice ngl

[bright leaf]

This man can't imagine the thought he's struggling through CS and that it isn't even the hardest degree lmao

[wicked hollow]

I'd say that the engineering majors in my college were way more overwhelmed than the CS majors in an average semester - but who knows if that's just because the CS teachers were better teachers than the engineering professors were, or because EE is intrinsically more difficult than CS 😄

[alpine adder]

its because if you know programming already cs is way easier

imagine knowing circuits engineering already and doing ee

[wicked hollow]

well, sure - but wouldn't the same apply to - literally every major?

[alpine adder]

thats what it is

most cs majors already program

[wild compass]

.topic

[rustic harbor]

**Tea or coffee? What about milk?**

Suggest more topics here!

[full marlin]

You take EE
Then you can talk about how CS is so much harder

[sinful sun]

No they dont

[wild compass]

none

[dusky cliff]

covfefe

[wicked hollow]

so... if someone can learn enough CS before their CS degree to make CS easy, wouldn't that mean that people could learn as much EE before their EE degree to make EE easy? And if they could but don't, why not?

[sinful sun]

Its okay tho my dude, if you're struggling with C you can ask a EE bro to help you

[dusky cliff]

:|

[alpine adder]

the only programming course i had before algorithms and ds was intro duction to programming in java

[wide totem]

Nah.
I don't think some majors can be easier with stuff you already know.

Like, knowing programming concepts then learning python is one thing.

Knowing how electricity works does not help with wiring stuff that much.

[full marlin]

I’m confused how bitching about this is going to help you if you’re so busy

[alpine adder]

I am struggling in C because of the assignment frequency

and debugging is hard

[sinful sun]

Same actually, the only thing i knew how to do was turn on the computer

[alpine adder]

you didnt say that right. more like knowing python helps with python assignments

[full marlin]

Join a C server and ask questions?

No

[alpine adder]

then you learn the theory which is easy

[wicked hollow]

"wiring stuff" isn't a major. Knowing how electricity works before a course teaching resistance or capacitance, let's say, would definitely be useful

[full marlin]

Join a python server and argue with people non stop? Yes

[wicked hollow]

or ask questions here, since it's off-topic, heh

[full marlin]

exactly

[sinful sun]

And a ton safer

[wide totem]

Idea: spend less time arguing with strangers about what is harder and do & ask for help on the work that you need to do.

[bright leaf]

I've never seen someone whose identity depends on their major being difficult so much that they refuse to believe there is anything harder than CS other than med school

[full marlin]

I’m a business major

[wild compass]

im a not yet majoring

[sinful sun]

Tbh i wouldnt even say ee is the hardest eng degree

[full marlin]

I know my major is easy

I don’t have a problem

[sinful sun]

I've heard of the nightmare of chemeng

[wicked hollow]

even better! Ask for help with the stuff you're struggling with, and see whether the people who give the best help are EE majors or CS majors

maybe we can actually settle the argument 😄

[alpine adder]

cs majors will

[bright leaf]

Idk about hardest eng, I would say ME isn't that far off from my experience of doing both. Chemeng seems rough too.

[full marlin]

is civil engineering the easy one

[wide totem]

today, helping people became a competition

[alpine adder]

CS is rough

[full marlin]

my grandpa did civil engineering

I think my dad did too

[wild compass]

anything is rough if ur not good at it :P lol

[sinful sun]

I have friends that did both ME and ChemEng, the chemical ones just didnt sleep most of the time

Something about organic chemistry apparently

[bright leaf]

Civil isn't too bad, they're not as theory focused. Some geophysics and soil mechanics stuff is harddd

[alpine adder]

organic chemistry is just premed

[dusky cliff]

the chemical ones just didnt sleep most of the time
maybe i am a chemeng

[full marlin]

@sinful sun both?? Like dual majoring??

[wicked hollow]

I had a BioMed engineer friend who had a time of it, heh

[bright leaf]

"Organic chemistry which has nothing to do with medicine is premed"

[sinful sun]

No, lmao you cant do both, you'd just stop

[wide totem]

How the FUCK can you call this before it occurs? Thank you for coming to my Ted talk 2: Explicitive Electric Boogaloo

[sinful sun]

Stop existing

[wicked hollow]

I had to take organic chemistry for my CS degree, heh

[full marlin]

@sinful sun my bad dude it’s almost 1 and I can’t read

[sinful sun]

Idk man the organic chem i did for a levels was very comfy indeed

[alpine adder]

cs premeds take org chem

[sinful sun]

Super neat stuff

[bright leaf]

I did a bunch of orgo at HS. SN2 and E2 reaction mechanisms and reaction pathways give me nightmares

I did use some Chem in my material science class which was fun

[dusky cliff]

you had to what

oh no

[bright leaf]

Orgo isn't thaaat bad, it's just a lot

[wicked hollow]

that's just chem 103

[full marlin]

I took AP chem

Regrettable experience

[wicked hollow]

Engineers I'm friends with complained about Fluid Mechanics classes for years afterwards.

[bright leaf]

Oh god fluid mech was fucking hard

Fuck any turbomachinery

[dusky cliff]

lol

[sinful sun]

But not as hard as cs

[wide totem]

Obviously

[dusky cliff]

🥴

[sinful sun]

Centering divs amirite

[wide totem]

Cs is so much harder than figuring out how fluid flows

[dusky cliff]

smh

[wicked hollow]

you can just, like, watch it.

spill some water, see where it goes.

[wide totem]

And get this, you can make a fluid flow simulation with python!

[dusky cliff]

for which you'd need to know fluid mechanics 🥴

[bright leaf]

What's harder, solving navier stokes with a bitch of a boundary condition or a segfault boi

[sinful sun]

Just observe the turbulence

[wide totem]

Meaning that CS and EE are great, because you can relate them

[bright leaf]

https://lorenabarba.com/blog/cfd-python-12-steps-to-navier-stokes/

[dusky cliff]

lol

[alpine adder]

try deriving a context free grammar in 15 minutes

chomsky

[wide totem]

Well, I'd let someone else solve the first one. I know this great guy who used to mod here and doesn't put up with bullshit who could solve the first one.

The second one I'd also ask them to help solve by posting my code in a help channel lmao

Cause I'm more likely to run into seg faults

[wicked hollow]

Do you need help with it?

[bright leaf]

Yeah I'm sure an EE could help you

[wide totem]

Inb4 it happened because I had code that intentionally threw a segfault

[alpine adder]

ee cant help me, ive passed theory of compuation long ago

im in cs for the theory

[wicked hollow]

ah, that's just math.

[bright leaf]

This man wants me to derive a context free language so I told him to open inspect element

[wide totem]

Ah okay. Guess that means people who know ee have nothing that they can tell you.

[alpine adder]

i have a math minor

cs is math

[bright leaf]

lmao

[hoary fjord]

we have three tracks in my masters program, and everyone here knows the EE track is, by far, the hardest one

[sinful sun]

No, math is math

[wicked hollow]

yeah, CS is a subset of math. So math must be harder.

it includes all of CS.

[hoary fjord]

technically its called "autonomous systems" but everyone refers to it as the EE track

[alpine adder]

math isnt harder than cs

the assignments are far easier

cs is harder

[wicked hollow]

well, let us know how we can help with your CS assignments.

[wide totem]

@alpine adder not by your logic!

Because cs is math, so math includes cs.

Therefore math is harder

[bright leaf]

@alpine adder bro everyone's moved on from discussing with you and is mostly making fun of things you said. Take the hit and stop arguing.

[wide totem]

In addition, ee is also math (raggy correct me pls) which means math is the hardest fucking subject, aside from meta studies of humans and human constructs.

[dusky cliff]

i think we need a common enemy so we can all be united again
humanities is shite amirite

[wild compass]

ayyyy

[bright leaf]

nah

Humanities is good

[wide totem]

No

I hate humanitiez

[alpine adder]

I am a stronger philosopher and writer

[wide totem]

If only because I accidently walked in on a class teaching it several times

[bright leaf]

Ahahahahaha

[alpine adder]

than any ee

[bright leaf]

Ahahahahahhhahaha

[median blade]

oh god

[wide totem]

Newsflash: no one cares.

[wild compass]

uh huh, just like ur smarter than everyone in america and stronger than everyone in europe

[wicked hollow]

courses on composition and technical writing would be more useful to software engineers than half of the CS classes they have to take, honestly.

[wide totem]

If you want me to convert that to binary so you can read it I will do so

[wild compass]

wait frick i read that wrong

[sinful sun]

Good god technical writing

[wicked hollow]

It's really a shame that CS is the best degree to prepare for an SWE job, given how poor a job of doing it it does...

[wild compass]

i thought u said humanity is shit

[dusky cliff]

ye

[alpine adder]

cs is a research major

[dusky cliff]

that's what i said

lol

[alpine adder]

best degree for swe should be an it degree

[bright leaf]

Ahahahahahahhaha

[wild compass]

no, as in all humans, not the subject of humanities

[alpine adder]

literally math

[median blade]

humans are shite amirite

[bright leaf]

Ahahahahhhahahahhahahha

[alpine adder]

ok EE

[wild compass]

ikr

lol

[alpine adder]

go back to taking our jobs

[dusky cliff]

🤦‍♂️

[alpine adder]

because you cant find any

[wicked hollow]

well, perhaps, but people don't use it that way. I'm sure more CS graduates go on to become SWEs than to do any other thing, including CS research.

[wide totem]

i think everyone is trying to move off of the topic, @wicked hollow

[alpine adder]

this is true, but its made for research and further education. thats what "CS" essentially is

[bright leaf]

I have no problems finding hardware jobs, thanks!

Doing a hardware job right now!

[wide totem]

Hm, those who don't want to argue go to #ot1-this-regex-is-impossible

[bright leaf]

In research in fact

[wicked hollow]

hardware and at MS? That's interesting

[bright leaf]

Was* at MS

Did ML stuff at MS

[wicked hollow]

ah. 🙂

[bright leaf]

MS has tons of hardware nowadays though

[alpine adder]

got machine learning at Microsoft then got a hardware research position elsewhere

[wide totem]

Task successfully failed.

[alpine adder]

ok

[bright leaf]

You don't believe me?

[alpine adder]

you think you are better than cs majors at ML?

[wide totem]

Oh ffs

[wicked hollow]

would it matter? 😉

[wide totem]

@ Moderators end me

so close to pinging for no good reason

[bright leaf]

Yes? CS majors are fucking awful at ML

[wide totem]

mostly because I can just back away

[alpine adder]

Ahahahahhahaha

[wide totem]

@alpine adder curious, how many jobs have you had and what were they for?

[severe trout]

you really think you are better than them? 👀

:concern:

[bright leaf]

Up until recently ML was something studied by EEs before CS majors https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.11261

[wide totem]

Hello @severe trout. Welcome to the argument that will never end.

Jk it ends when someone sleeps

[severe trout]

Ty! lemme go sleep now :D

[dusky cliff]

allow me to piss everyone off

ee == cs

[wide totem]

Lmao

[wide totem]

No

[jovial island]

No no ce == cs of course

[wide totem]

"es" == "ce"

WHICH WILL ALWAYS BE FALSE THEREFORE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER. continue arguing please I'm grabbing my popcorn.

[wild compass]

lol

[wide totem]

🍿

Anyone want some?

[wild compass]

ye give me some

🍿

[bright leaf]

I've been learning ML since second year, I've done ML in research, at Microsoft in industry. People have at many times reaffirmed my knowledge in ML

It's just a bunch of maths, much of it overlaps with engineering subjects like signal processing and optimisation and control and such

So yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with saying that.

[alpine adder]

Can you make one of these from scratch given a certain grammar

turing complete baby

[wicked hollow]

of course - do you need help?

[alpine adder]

i do not

[severe trout]

python says so

[median blade]

oof

[bright leaf]

Then why do you keep asking me basic ToC questions lmao

[wicked hollow]

hard to argue with that.

[wide totem]

@alpine adder you never answered me lol

What jobs have you had?

That @bright leaf's jobs are invalid

[severe trout]

imagine having jobs

[alpine adder]

I have had a software engineering internship and a research position at my university

[wide totem]

Ah

[alpine adder]

doing robotics btw

[wide totem]

So if we invalidate based on value only, raggy actually made money.

[bright leaf]

Oh same!

Love robotics

[alpine adder]

yeah

embedded systems

your work

[bright leaf]

lmao embedded is hardly exclusive to EE, "my work"

[severe trout]

eh, that's an error

[bright leaf]

Tell me when you're making hardware

[wide totem]

they defined them lol

[alpine adder]

tell me when youre actually making software

[wide totem]

Yours is better.

[bright leaf]

As opposed to?

[wide totem]

Tell me when you guys can agree they're different

[severe trout]

lol

[dusky cliff]

amateur

[bright leaf]

I've made software running in production at Microsoft

[severe trout]

show full code 🔫

[jovial island]

The obvious resolution is the two of them to make battle bots that fight to the death

[bright leaf]

Idk why that's not "making software"

[bright leaf]

He's have to know how to make hardware for that lmao

[alpine adder]

give a EE a real SWE position not scripting and your code will be refactored in weeks

[wide totem]

So you're the guy who has made that ffs propertary stuff

[bright leaf]

Except that didn't happen with my code

[jovial island]

We'll stream the bot fight in the server

Micropython only

[wide totem]

If anyone is out of 🍿 please tell me

[dusky cliff]

hmm

[wide totem]

I have extra

🍿 🍿 🍿

[dusky cliff]

ty

[bright leaf]

Very CS type work actually, I was distributing BERT training to Azure Compute Clusters so I could run the 10 hour GPU training in like 20 minutes

[wicked hollow]

^ @upbeat sandal this sounds up your alley!

[bright leaf]

Did a lot of refactoring of the Azure AutoML architecture, changed it a lot up.

[wide totem]

Maan, azure vms tho

Why does the lowest end version cost $1 a day.

[bright leaf]

Not a clue, but sounds too expensive? Should be more like $5 a month or something

[wide totem]

Yeah

Hm

I should get that guy to figure it out before it's too late

[bright leaf]

Might be a combination of things. Make sure you're on the cheapest VM and it's in a normal region

[wide totem]

Student plan

[bright leaf]

And you don't have extra costs from other extras tagged on

[wide totem]

Oh i think the region is un

Europe

Oh

Right

Windows license fees

[wide totem]

They're running a windows vm

[bright leaf]

Ha

That makes more sense

[wide totem]

I wish there was a way to get this hosted lol

[bright leaf]

Whatcha hosting

[wide totem]

It's a crazy dumb idea that works

Discord bot that requires windows apis

Because it's written in autohotkey

Autohotkey

AUTOHOTKEY

[bright leaf]

Ooft, that's rough. Use a different automation thingy?

[wide totem]

It's like. Got more than basic features.

Like?

Wdym

[bright leaf]

Surely there's something other than AHK you can use?

Something equivalent for Linux?

[wicked hollow]

well, now you've got a $4 / month incentive to learn Unix 😄

[bright leaf]

Well it's costing a dollar a day

So that's more like a $25 a month incentive

[wicked hollow]

even better!

[wide totem]

Nah

The entire point is to be autohotkey

If it didn't need websockets it would run in wine on linux

Which is what already exists for a different bot

An api that runs autohotkey code

[wicked hollow]

hm. someone started https://github.com/Paris/IronAHK but abandoned it - maybe it supports enough of a subset of AHK for you?

[wide totem]

Sounds like a great idea.

Hm

I know two people can crazy enough to do that

My current project is rewriting a backend to remotely run autohotkey

Like a snekbox

But for autohotkey

(no, the backend is not written in autohotkey)

[bright leaf]

Ah, hard to avoid that. Do you need to port over websockets? Can't just put in a dummy websockets interface?

[wide totem]

Wdym

Have you used autohotkey before?

[bright leaf]

nope, I assumed AHK needed websockets which isn't supported in the same way on Linux or something

[wide totem]

Ye

For discord it needs websockets

[bright leaf]

Ahh right for Discord

Hmm

[wide totem]

But wine can't fake that

[wicked hollow]

can it be split into two processes that talk to each other over IPC, perhaps?

[wide totem]

Wdym

It is autohotkey

[wicked hollow]

Something running AHK inside wine, that talks to something that can communicate with Discord over websockets

[wide totem]

#808177150968201237 @bright leaf

[wicked hollow]

if it needs to be AHK doing the websockets, and can't be some other process doing them, that won't help.

[wide totem]

But that wouldn't be autohotkey anymore

Afaik the point of this is to be as dumb as possible.

I mean use autohotkey for everything

I didn't write it

[wicked hollow]

I thought the point was to run AHK code in a sandbox, and take commands from and send output to Discord over websockets.

If it's more than that, and AHK needs to be the thing talking directly to Discord, you're right, that wouldn't help.

[wide totem]

In fact @narrow sigil was talking about your bot lol

[wide totem]

No, it is a discord bot written in autohotkey

The snekbox thing is unrelated

[wicked hollow]

ah, I see.

rewrite it in Python? 😄

[wide totem]

No, the point is to be in autohotkey

[wicked hollow]

so the point is to be in autohotkey, but the purpose isn't to run autohotkey code?

[wide totem]

Yeah

[wild compass]

@wide totem do u use an ide for ahk?

[wide totem]

That's just a added benefit

Yes, but the guy I mentioned above is the guy who wrote the bot

[wild compass]

what ide do u use?

[wide totem]

Both of us use VSC

[wild compass]

ok, bc rn im just using notepad++ lol

[wide totem]

For autohotkey?

[wild compass]

yes

[wide totem]

https://discord.gg/XYWKqn53

Go to #botspam, view list of editors

[wild compass]

ok

wait a sec, i joined the other day, but its not in my discords list wat

[wide totem]

Should be most recent message

Odd

Hm

Did you have a temporary invite

yeah, probably

[wild compass]

idk

[wide totem]

@bright leaf u still there?

Because I just realized something

If there was a way to fake the http requests

So nothing in the code were to change

But instead it sends something to an outlying program, this would allow it to run on linux

[bright leaf]

Soz have a control theory TA meeting

[wide totem]

Aside from the built in function definiton

Oh ok

Cya

[wicked hollow]

hm... I don't know AHK - haven't used it in nearly 2 decades - but... at the very least, you might be able to do that with DLL injection, perhaps.

though obviously it'd be much nicer if AHK itself gave a way to do it.

[wide totem]

Ye

Well

I'll put it this way

The comobject method

Can be redefined

Although

All requests should be handled in the library

[jovial island]

python superiority

[wide totem]

what even is that?

[bright leaf]

👀 👀

[wide totem]

Do ping on or dm replygn

Sleepy

[bright leaf]

https://blog.rag.gy/posts/control

@wide totem

[wide totem]

Wut

I defibrillator also

Definitely asleep

[median blade]

Damn

[slow valve]

So we do be living in dreams

[lucid osprey]

wow haha

[dusky cliff]

damn that's a late reply

[lucid osprey]

I had to study for exams yesterday 🥴. (and today as well (even tomorrow))

I've finished studying for today anyways

annual exams 🥴

[rich cargo]

good luck for your exams,

[lucid osprey]

thankyou!

[wide totem]

hello @sturdy relic 👋 !!

[sturdy relic]

hello

[dim root]

wonder when are those stickers coming to India

[fickle fog]

anyone that has previous experience with VBox and Linux please contact me

or dm me

i cannot install ubuntu in

VBOX

for some reason

[wide totem]

what does it error on?

[fickle fog]

it just does not load ip

up*

so i had have to kill it several tiems

times*

[full marlin]

Did they finally stop arguing

Apparently they did

[muted frost]

imho they just take up screen space, and emojis are a lot better.

so you may not feel left out

[wide totem]

🚫 😠

[muted frost]

well, they do have one advantage

they're cute ❤️

[wide totem]

and free

you can get one free set

that's the set I have

[wide totem]

the unfortunate part is the set that I use then everyone will have

I think it would be cooler if everyone had one free set

rather than choosing this specific one

but then discord would make less money

either way

i also wish that there was a sticker permission as well

but that would also make discord make less money

[echo fern]

despite seeing your previous messages, I still thought that was about sets for a second

I was like

[wide totem]

then again they did make that permission that denies custom emojis

[echo fern]

what communist stuff is this

[wide totem]

so it would be kind of nice to have this stuff

[echo fern]

we giving out free sets now

[wide totem]

i want a permission

[pine rapids]

whats an easy library to learn?

[wide totem]

cc @short cliff permissions is entirely glitched and dumb but also makes a lot of sense, just doesn't

[median blade]

what do you want to do

[echo fern]

shh, you there

want some...

empty sets?

[{}, {}, {}, {}, {}, {}, {}, {}, {}, {}]

[pine rapids]

anything so i dont get bored

[wide totem]

tl;dr DISCORD FIX PERMISSIONS

[median blade]

tkinter then

[pine rapids]

besides that?

[median blade]

umm flask?

[wide totem]

@fossil smeltdealers (mods) this guy is selling some, stuff

[median blade]

bruh poor guy

[wide totem]

oof

oops

[dusky cliff]

lies and deception

[{*()}, {*()}, {*()}, {*()}, {*()}, {*()}, {*()}, {*()}, {*()}, {*()}]

got all da brackets

[echo flower]

#esoteric-python kekw

[jovial island]

What are those asterisked dictionaries?

[rich fulcrum]

[{()}, {()}, {()}, {()}, {()}, {()}, {()}, {()}, {()}, {()}]

[dusky cliff]

empty sets 🥴

[jovial island]

Hmm

Aren't lists, tuples, dicts, etc. also called sets?

[magic whale]

Micheal Reeves bursts in the door

[dusky cliff]

no

containers, maybe

a set is like a list
but
not

it can't have duplicates

they are unordered

[jovial island]

Ah

[echo fern]

!docs set

[jovial island]

Yeah, that's what I meant

[dusky cliff]

I mean
that'd just be confusing

[jovial island]

Yeah

But searching for "python sets", you see tuples and lists

Yeah

[echo fern]

🤷

second result is realpython

third is docs

[dusky cliff]

same

[jovial island]

Ahhhh

I got confused and thought they were the general terms for them

Thanks for the clarification

[dusky cliff]

there's also frozensets

which are sets by immutable

[full marlin]

hahahaha

the only data structure I learned over winter break last last semester

and then I was like

omg I know data structures

what lies

[dusky cliff]

lol

sets are cool

[full marlin]

my friends were like oh how did you improve

and I was like oh I did data structures

and then I was like oh I'm "learning" big O

and the TAs were like dude no way you're learning big O

they don't even teach big O until the second year at UB

[odd sphinx]

i mean

they can just

google

[echo fern]

second year at undefined behaviour? 😛

[odd sphinx]

lol

[full marlin]

university at buffalo

[odd sphinx]

nice one bro

[full marlin]

I mean

I'm learning by Google

[median blade]

F

is it part of builtins or something

!docs set

[keen burrow]

!d set

[clever salmon]

Missing required argument

package_name

Command Help

!docs set <package_name> <base_url> <inventory_url>
Can also use: docs s

*Adds a new documentation metadata object to the site's database.

The database will update the object, should an existing item with the specified package_name already exist.

Example:
!docs set python https://docs.python.org/3/ https://docs.python.org/3/objects.inv*

[keen burrow]

Aha that’s why

[median blade]

damn

[round moss]

!docs get set

[clever salmon]

`set`

class set([iterable])``````py
class frozenset([iterable])```
Return a new set or frozenset object whose elements are taken from *iterable*. The elements of a set must be [hashable](../glossary.html#term-hashable). To represent sets of sets, the inner sets must be [`frozenset`](#frozenset "frozenset") objects. If *iterable* is not specified, a new empty set is returned.

Sets can be created by several means:

• Use a comma-separated list of elements within braces: `{'jack', 'sjoerd'}`

• Use a set comprehension: `{c for c in 'abracadabra' if c not in 'abc'}`

• Use the type constructor: `set()`, `set('foobar')`, `set(['a', 'b', 'foo'])`

Instances of [`set`](#set "set") and [`frozenset`](#frozenset "frozenset") provide the following operations:

`len(s)` Return the number of elements in set *s* (cardinality of *s*).

`x in s` Test *x* for membership in *s*.

`x not in s` Test *x* for non-membership in *s*.... [read more](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#set)

label.set

[languid osprey]

How do i set the background in openbox?

I'm trying to use feh, but it only displays the image, not sets it

[tranquil ridge]

did feh --bg-fill path/to/image not work?

[languid osprey]

It did, I was doing it wrong lol

ok now picoms being weird

Lol

Its raising an error no matter what I do

an invalid syntax one

Doesn't matter whether the file is emtpy or not

[pine rapids]

anyone know a library thats fun and easy to learn so i dont get bored

[round moss]

I had a bit of fun with opencv just drawing things on images based on algorithms I got from the internet

[pine rapids]

is it complex?

so i dont have to do the underlying math right?

[round moss]

I most certainly didn't use it to its full potential

[pine rapids]

oh rip

[round moss]

yeah, I didn't do any math

[pine rapids]

ok

[round moss]

it was literally just "oh hey there is this weird function in opencv, I wonder what it does"

[pine rapids]

is there anything besides that or is this rlly fun

[round moss]

that was the fun part for me, its essentially like applying filters, but you make your own filters

there are also things like wave if you like music

as well as turtle if you like fractals

[pine rapids]

ohh ok

[round moss]

the peak of that experiment was editing a mustache onto my face live on a webcam.

[pine rapids]

so i need to learn numpy first?

[round moss]

the very basics of it, yeah.

[pine rapids]

so u guys recommend learning numpy?

[round moss]

ye, numpy is extremely useful