ot1-perplexing-regexing

[mild abyss]

there is also this ^

he does holy things in julia so i hope more holier things to come

[uneven pine]

nim's ternaries are

interseting

var ternary = if conditional == 42: true else: false

[graceful basin]

yeah, nim did the fun thing and just added multiline lambdas to python's indentation syntax

[uneven pine]

I wonder if you can line break that to make it more readable

[graceful basin]

yeah, it's just

var ternary = if conditional == 42:
    true
  else:
    false

[uneven pine]

that's way better

cool

huh

nim actually has some nice higher level stuff built in

looks like working with things isn't painful

@graceful basinThanks for turning me onto this, I'll look into it for sure.

[graceful basin]

glad to help

[wraith hound]

doesn't that mean it can do anything?

[uneven pine]

yes

[graceful basin]

I am honestly just impressed they got julia to statically compile at all

[uneven pine]

my toy language uses LLVM-IR

well, I've been trying to get it to at least

[wraith hound]

I haven't used LLVM specifically but with Cranelift IR, I just got Cranelift to emit an object file (well, give me the bytes, I made the .o) and threw a C compiler at it

[uneven pine]

once you get the IR you can just...compile it

[mild abyss]

in theory but if u read the zulip discussion thats not as simple as you might think.

[graceful basin]

yeah, StaticCompiler.jl looks to be ... heavily indev

I mean, it took oracle a few years and a research team to get native image working well enough for prod use, I would be really impressed if julia gets further than "pretend we are a statically typed language and compile that"

since well, julia is harder to compile than java

[wraith hound]

that's true

[mild abyss]

https://julialang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/137791-general/topic/StaticCompiler.2Ejl

link to topic

[mild abyss]

there are four things julia has focused on working for the past three years. native compilation for libraries, maturing the SciML ecosystem, improving speed and optimization for every release, and fixing the gc by hiring a gc expert that used to work for java's gc

[graceful basin]

nice

[uneven pine]

getting a nim environment set up 👀

[uneven pine]

@graceful basinI just realized you can use semicolons in nim by accidentally writing a few and having it work perfectly fine

this is troubling but also probably useful

in very specific cases only

[graceful basin]

Yeah, semicolons are there for oneline blocks

They are effectively the C comma operator

[honest star]

Lmfao, rip to the guy behind me. He scheduled golf time like an hour after his flight landed. Dude's bold and stuck in line for car rental behind me

[uneven pine]

Oof

That's what we call cutting it too close

[uneven pine]

Welp

I've just learned something else broken about the "block" system in Discord

If you approach ~100 blocked messages on a screen

It crashes the mobile app

[tardy rain]

maybe if youre approaching 100 blocked messages youre in the wrong server

[young shoal]

could also be time to reevaluate where the actual problem is

[thick osprey]

I might be automating too much. How often do I start a new project

# Build a python venv if needed, otherwise activate existing
build_venv () {
   if [ ! -d "venv/" ] ; then
        python3 -m venv venv
        . venv/bin/activate
        python -m pip install pip setuptools wheel
    fi
    if [ "$(type -t deactivate)" != "function" ] ; then
        . venv/bin/activate
    fi
    which python
    python --version
}

# Create a new python module project, only if directory is empty
build_python_project() {
    if [ ! -z "$(ls -A)" ] ; then
        echo "Directory is not empty, are you sure this is the place?"
        return 1
    fi
    if [ "$@" = "src" ] ; then
        git clone https://github.com/preocts/python-src-template .
    else
        git clone https://github.com/preocts/python-module-template .
    fi
    if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
        echo "Failed."
        return $?
    fi
    rm -rf .git
    git init
    git checkout -b main
    build_venv
    make && make install-dev
}


alias venv=build_venv
alias python-setup=build_python_project $1

[dapper dew]

.bm to shamelessly steal preocts' ideas seems neat

[thick osprey]

Hmm... I could add a sed call in there to edit the readme.md. Fill in the directory name as the project name.

[dapper dew]

Ever wanted to update all of your git repos?
ls | xargs -I{} git -C {} pull origin main

[thick osprey]

Oh.. you mean all the repos you have a local copy of! That's neat.

nothing really hangs out on my machine

[thick osprey]

.remind 18h

fine... to slack I go. I can't remember the remind command here xD

[wraith hound]

You're right

Just wrong bot

[thick osprey]

throw me a bone here.

!remind 18h

[royal lake]

Nah.

Your reminder must have a content and/or reply to a message.

[thick osprey]

!remind 18h

[royal lake]

You're the boss!

Your reminder will arrive on <t:1654630687:F>!

ID: 4601

[thick osprey]

Oh I feel fancy now.

TWO reminders... this is totally getting done. :3

[uneven pine]

It was apparently two people just having a long conversation

[jaunty wraith]

find . -type d -name '.git' -print0 | xargs -0rx -P$(nproc) -I{} echo git -C {}/.. pull --tags

here's a little deep fried version of that

just remove the echo

[tardy rain]

why are pandas help questions so tiring

i feel like it takes half my brain cells to put together a working dataframe

before i even start thinking about a solution

someone do something about it

i need Faker.js but for pandas DataFrames

there you go, free project idea

[tulip cedar]

Nice, German Discord

[tardy rain]

!e @austere elm

class D(dict):
  def __setitem__(self, k, v):
    key = "".join(sorted(k))
    dict.__setitem__(self, key, v)
  def __getitem__(self, k):
    key = "".join(sorted(k))
    val = dict.__getitem__(self, key)
    return val

d = D()
d["test"] = "hello"
print(d["ttse"])

[royal lake]

@tardy rain :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

hello

[tribal aurora]

what are these things called again? __getitem__

[tardy rain]

dunders

[tribal aurora]

thanks

[jaunty wraith]

!pypi faker-pandas

[royal lake]

faker-pandas v0.1.2

Adds Provider for Faker library to Generate randomized Pandas DataFrames

[tardy rain]

0.1.2 yikes

im making my own and thats final

[young shoal]

yours would be what, 0.1.0?

[tardy rain]

yes but at least it'd be mine

[tulip cedar]

Lmao

[tardy rain]

if im gonna be pulling my hair over bad or unimplemented code, it may as well be my code

mega yikes

[young shoal]

oof

[tardy rain]

mfw grew the code base two fold

(adding docstrings to literally everything)

this project used to be 5k LOC, now its 18 lmaoooo

[dapper dew]

Damn, 5000 lines to 18 is pretty sweet

[tardy rain]

Getting fired speedrace (any%)

16363 total

close enough

[prisma geyser]

Hey guys! I wanted a suggestion.
I want to apply for a full stack profile but right now I know about Android and Flutter only so I was thinking of learning a backend

Could you suggest me some backend framework that can be good or is in demand for mobile dev?

[rough sapphire]

Java - Spring
Python - Flask
C# - ASP.NET Core
JavaScript - ExpressJS
TypeScript - NextJS

@prisma geyser

if you're not familiar with any of these languages, I can probably name the mainstream frameworks for some other languages

[prisma geyser]

I was thinking of going with Go or Node.js as they are in high demand

Do you know of any mainstream frameworks for them @rough sapphire :)?

[wraith hound]

I don't know why you're making a distinction between the last two

express and next.js would work for both javascript and typescript

[rough sapphire]

Go:
https://github.com/gin-gonic/gin

NodeJS: ExpressJS and NextJS

[rough sapphire]

because NestJS heavily favors TypeScript, and TS is in fact idiomatic there

writing Nest in JS is an awful idea

also, i just found out i typed Next, not Nest

Nest is the one that favors TS

but ofc in my opinion TS is a must on express and NextJS too

[wraith hound]

okay but then just suggest "don't use JS"

writing JS in general in terrible

[rough sapphire]

if they have a reason why they wish to use JS, i suggested express JS, that was the point

the Next/Nest was a typo

[royal lake]

It has arrived!

Here's your reminder: Hmm... I could add a sed call in there to edit the readme.md. Fill in the directory name as the project name.
[Jump back to when you created the reminder](#ot1-perplexing-regexing message)

[thick osprey]

Oh yeah...

[royal lake]

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Sorry, you can't do that here!

[paper sequoia]

Helper+ are allowed to set a reminder at other than #bot-commands

[thick osprey]

Hmm... to continue to build this in bash or to create a python script to do it.

basically: learn more bash shell script or use what I already know?

[plucky ridge]

Both are viable

Both would be available wherever you can use bash

What's the thing you'd be doing?

[tidal bluff]

As a rough guide for myself, if my script needs to use a lot of actual bash/Linux commands, I use a bash script. Otherwise, Python.

[thick osprey]

A "do all the things" boilerplate loader for my python project template.

• create a project directory
• clone down the template
• replace the .git with a new init
• create venv
• install dev dependencies
• update README.md with project name (from directory)

I think it will be easier in a bash script and I'll get to learn a few things.

[tidal bluff]

I love and hate writing Bash lol

[plucky ridge]

Bash makes sense for this to me

[tidal bluff]

It makes a change from Python. And when you go back to Python you will remember why Python is awesome 😄

[plucky ridge]

Last I saw, there really aren't any great libs for git in Python

[plucky ridge]

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, that's for sure.

[thick osprey]

git itself is just easier to run the cli for than try and abstract it. That's been my experience.

[tidal bluff]

On your own machine, you have quite a lot of freedom when it comes to how you write Python. At work, bash is sometimes required as I don't particularly want (or can't) install a bunch of third party libs to get a Python version working.

[plucky ridge]

Exactly

That's a really good point about the extra third party libs

If it's something to be more general, go as bare bones as possible

[thick osprey]

Oh heck, third party libraries are a nightmare on my work network. If the data science team hasn't already vetted it the process can take me weeks to get approval. I've actually found it easier to reinvent the part of the wheel I'm using over getting something into our artifactory.

[tidal bluff]

something I've been working on today is a Python script for sending notifications. But I am forced to use Python 3.6 and can't install anything from PyPI. It's slightly annoying, but kinda refreshing to have to do some stuff by hand, so to speak.

[plucky ridge]

Might still be worth getting annotations from future in there

Little bit of extra cleanliness and sanity

Wait

No right, that's 3.7 and up

So

[thick osprey]

Haha! I updated a tiny little wrapper around one of the internal APIs we use for computer inventory. I run on 3.8, and wrote this thing for myself so didn't think anything of it. Commit, review, merge... 1 hour later was on a call with three network teams clambering about how their ansible boxes ran 3.6 and the library now failed to run.

#ScreamTest

[tidal bluff]

rofl

[tidal bluff]

wait... doesn't 3.6 have type hints.... wonders if he forgot to set local dev environment to 3.6

[plucky ridge]

It does but it doesn't have some of the nicer stuff from later on, specifically using | for unions and using types and what not from the global namespace

Almost everything would have to be snagged from typing

[tidal bluff]

ahhh, yeah.

I did have to change a bunch of stuff, as I defaulted to doing list[str] and str | None etc lol

[plucky ridge]

It's so niiiiiiiiiice

[tidal bluff]

Yeah, using Optional[whatever] and Union[this, that] etc really pads out the line length.

[thick osprey]

I think I introduced a NamedTuple? Maybe it was something else. There's been many nice things added since 3.6.

[twilit temple]

uhm what

hows my windows 10 vm using 0mb of ram

[small coral]

probably using just KBs of ram

or just not running at all

[twilit temple]

oh its running all right

with a whole 0.4% cpu usage

hyper-v manager says the "assigned memory" is around 2gb

not sure if these are the right processes but the numbers are still suspiciously low

two of those are debian vms and one of them is windows 10

[mild abyss]

vms always eat a lot of resauces

[tulip cedar]

I need Windows support because W11 sucks

[uneven pine]

W11 is great lol

It's 10 with all the broken stuff fixed and the bad stuff redone in an actual modern way

[tulip cedar]

But too much resource usage even on idle. The apps which didn't lag much on W10 are kinda lagging on W11

[uneven pine]

I cannot corroborate they experience

[tulip cedar]

For some reason it's using 60% of 8 GB RAM with nothing opened. Thanks to that, games aren't able to get enough RAM to run smoothly

[uneven pine]

"resource use on idle" is a horrible metric due to how windows scales resources

8GB of RAM is barely usable for basic things these days. That's not just a windows thing either

With a reasonably modern Linux Desktop Environment my laptop with 6GB of RAM is virtually useless

[floral apex]

"Oh you're not using your RAM? Lemme just use that to cache some things in the background and free that up for ya when you do need that RAM"

[tulip cedar]

Well, I used to run windows 10 on 4 GB ram and a cpu from 2014 or smth with good experience (was laggy, but usable)

For some reason W11 is lagging even on 8 GB

[uneven pine]

But yeah, windows will eat RAM that's not been used by other things. What are your specs?

[tulip cedar]

i3 11th gen quad core with 8 GB RAM and an iGPU

[uneven pine]

Which of the 20 11th gen i3s?

[tulip cedar]

1125G4

[uneven pine]

Yeah that doesn't track really. Sounds like something is funky

Will be interested to hear if you ever get it running right .

Can't imagine what would cause that

Whe 8GB of RAM is laughable, that shoumd run 11 for some basic document editing and web browsing no issues

[ancient dune]

8 gigs of ram ouch

I don't need a high spec pc but I sure do love my RAM since even modern IDE can use a lot of it.

Especially when working with GUI's.

[floral apex]

It'll probably also play some games no issues, those on the more lightweight variety

Like Minecraft or Roblox

Speaking from a time where I was using an AMD A8-7600, AMD HD6670 and 8 GB of RAM

At one point, 4 GB

It wasn't by any means laggy up until where shaders were used in Minecraft, going around 40 FPS using Sildurs Lite with it being around the 1.14 or 1.15 update

[tight granite]

which one looks better

[tardy rain]

rounded edges

[rough sapphire]

I kinda like the squared edges more

[tardy rain]

no

BAD

[tulip cedar]

I like the rounded one

[tidal bluff]

Rounded is nicer in this isolated case. I don't have an issue with squared corners if it fits the overall design.

[runic wigeon]

tip : if unsure, go with rounded edges

[tight granite]

Seems like a tip made by a programmer

anyway, i'm going with rounded

[runic wigeon]

seems like what a programmer would say

[tidal bluff]

I'm in the "what does Bootstrap give my by default" camp 😛

[floral apex]

Rounded personally. I find squared to be less lively

I.E: IBM Carbon to Windows 11 Fluent Design/Apple Cupertino/Material Design

[runic wigeon]

how can I compare log 2 base pi and log pi base 2 without the log table?

@acoustic moss @brazen ingot @gritty zinc @solemn leaf

[acoustic moss]

pi > 2 so the first one is greater than 1 and the second one is less

[runic wigeon]

oh I missed something

[rough sapphire]

Noooo

[runic wigeon]

I need to compare the sum of log 2 base pi and log pi base 2 with 2

like which one is greater?

oh AM >= GM

lmao

[brazen ingot]

lmao are you still on that problem that i sent you?

@runic wigeon

[runic wigeon]

that x,y,z one?

[brazen ingot]

dis one

[runic wigeon]

yeah this one

[brazen ingot]

haha 👀

[runic wigeon]

I can't seem to find any other values than (2,1,2)

[brazen ingot]

try this

@runic wigeon

[brazen ingot]

Have you heard of QR(Quadratic Residue) I studied it 2 days ago, QR helps solving the problem

[runic wigeon]

no I haven't

[stark prawn]

I tried scanning it, but no results.

[brazen ingot]

lmao

[runic wigeon]

haha

[tight granite]

It's Quadratic Residue, not QR code

Silly Grote

[brazen ingot]

this might work

[stark prawn]

I'm not going to scan a random qr code

[brazen ingot]

no its legit

[runic wigeon]

sussy rickroll link

[brazen ingot]

nope.

[runic wigeon]

I can see that XcQ link

I can scan QR with my eyes

my powers are beyond your imagination

[brazen ingot]

[runic wigeon]

oh I'm so stupid

you take 2yz to the left side

x^2 + (y-z)^2 = 2

and then squares are always positive

then it's a cakewalk

[tribal knot]

Found this in a python book lol

[runic wigeon]

lmao

[solemn leaf]

one way will to going logically
raising 2 to pi requires a power more than 1 , since pi > 2
raising pi to 2 requires power less than 1
so raising 2 to pi aka log_2{pi} is greater

another way is weird but works
use any inequality between them and solve

[tulip cedar]

What's the example 👀

[runic wigeon]

you divide and get 0 on RHS?

[solemn leaf]

my bad

its 1

lol

me in hurry

[runic wigeon]

also you should never use multiplication or division while working with inequalities

only addition and subtraction

[solemn leaf]

not exactly

you should never use multiplication and division when there's a variable whose domain is unknown

[solemn leaf]

here both are positive

so inequality wont change

[runic wigeon]

yeah I just avoid it all

[runic wigeon]

15

[tribal knot]

ye

[rough sapphire]

Hey.

[mild abyss]

goodbye

[carmine apex]

@next vessel as it turns out, the go researcher dude's name is John Tromp, and guess what you-know-who's middle name is?

[next vessel]

Donald John Trump and John Tromp 🤔

Life is rigged

[pine dust]

@clever oyster Hey, i saw you typing in the chili help channel before, what were you saying?

[clever oyster]

Hi

Yea

1 sec

So I made this code

Sorry for the bad pic I took it from my school laptop

[pine dust]

That's not how this works, lol

[clever oyster]

Hm

[pine dust]

Get a help channel from available help channels

[clever oyster]

alright

[pine dust]

#help-chestnut

[hidden pebble]

i need that book

[austere forum]

nice

[tulip cedar]

GGs

[jovial oriole]

some profits i made with blackholes

[austere forum]

damn

[jovial oriole]

i strive to be like you

2 billion net

insane

btw what robbing allowed servers are u in?

no reason at all

[austere forum]

dw, its gonna reach 3 bil (soon)

[austere forum]

0

im not in any robbing server

[jovial oriole]

teach me your ways

what jobs do you pick

and everything

[austere forum]

lemme create a new server quickly

and i can show it to you over these

[jovial oriole]

nice

[urban cape]

Hi

[tulip cedar]

Hi

[urban cape]

How's u r day

[tulip cedar]

gREAT!

HBU

[urban cape]

Great too ..thanks!

[rough sapphire]

Hello!

I am fine.

[low chasm]

@pallid oak C is also "simple"

theres a lot of people who've started with C or C++, its not a drastic thing, and won't ruin their programming experience

@rough sapphire a language being compiled doesn't necessarily make it harder

[gritty zinc]

if c++ was easy enough to learn, there probably wouldn't be python to begin with
i mean, there's a grain of truth in that statement, though the main motivation in creating python was a language that's easy to write and read (because programmer time is worth more than compute time)

[low chasm]

well, sure, thats a point of motivation for all high level languages, so that programmers don't have to write machine code

[gritty zinc]

but of course, if we had a language that's easy to read and write, and also fast and overall good, that'd kinda mean we solved language design in general, wouldn't it 😛

[rough sapphire]

Yea but if you want it to be fast it needs lower level control

[low chasm]

what kind of low level control?

compilers don't equate to low level either

[rough sapphire]

Like memory manipulation

Ik that

[low chasm]

manually handling memory?

[rough sapphire]

Yes

[gritty zinc]

you can do that in python, though?
oh, you mean for performance

[low chasm]

theres fast languages that don't have to manually handle memory

[jovial oriole]

i LOVE C++!!11

[gritty zinc]

rust plugging time 🥴

[low chasm]

:p

[jovial oriole]

i LOVE manually fucking around with memory and getting compiler errors that make no sense!

rust errors are much better comparatively to any language

[rough sapphire]

Its easier and much more efficient with low level control

[low chasm]

how so?

Rust is an example, you don't need to manually handle memory, and it keeps up with C and C++ in terms of speed

[jovial oriole]

why are programmers that use C++ and similar languages obsessed with "low level control"

[low chasm]

and like, C++ has smart pointers and stuff, doesn't it

[tardy rain]

its just C++ and its because of some misplaced sense of elitism

[rough sapphire]

Rust in practice is generally slower than c++

[low chasm]

according to?

[jovial oriole]

because it's more memory safe and easier to manage memory

[runic wigeon]

lmao

[rough sapphire]

Because its harder to make rust faster since it doesnt encourage you to do low level things manually

[low chasm]

according to what though?

[jovial oriole]

rust is already one of the fastest languages

[gritty zinc]

the one comparison I remember has Rust about 5% slower than C, about equal to C++. Notably, Rust doesn't have classes, which in C++ can slow things down notably if you don't avoid them.

[jovial oriole]

if you want more speed you'd switch to C

[rough sapphire]

According to how the language works

[jovial oriole]

orrr, write python code and use Cython

[low chasm]

do you have any actual benchmarks that back that?

not manually handling memory doesn't inherently make a program slower

[gritty zinc]

you mean slower

[low chasm]

oop, yeah

[tardy rain]

aboo slip, we all saw it

[runic wigeon]

aight guys, imma learn rust starting today wish me luck

[low chasm]

I guess you could argue a GC, but rust doesn't have one

[rough sapphire]

When you dont manually manage your memory you leave room for inefficiencies

[jovial oriole]

search up "The rust book"

[low chasm]

does it?

[tardy rain]

thats a very bad take imho

[rough sapphire]

Why would i make benchmarks for a discord debate

[low chasm]

I can't just take your word for it

[jovial oriole]

guys who use malloc() and forget to use free() will disagree

[rough sapphire]

Yes anything that you leave up to the compiler leaves room for inefficiencies

[runic wigeon]

what? All I see is docs

[rough sapphire]

Die

[jovial oriole]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/

[tardy rain]

the compiler is probably smarter at handling memory than you or I will ever be

[gritty zinc]

well, manually manage memory in Rust then? when it's necessary? and that way, you don't have to constantly pay a ton of attention to everything to ensure you don't introduce yet another memory unsafety bug. Like almost every single big project in existence thanks to C and C++ and others.

[low chasm]

in that case, why don't we just write machine code, and not use a compiler at all?

[jovial oriole]

📨 👌 applied no u to @rough sapphire permanently.

[jovial oriole]

why use machines at all?

[rough sapphire]

Leaving it to the compiler is just trusting that the compiler knows the most efficient way to deal with your memory for any specific situation

[low chasm]

besides in niche cases, a compiler will likely produce faster code than hand written machine code, mature ones are typically reliable

[tardy rain]

I use human servants to fulfill all my calculatory needs

[rough sapphire]

Because c++ does that for us

[jovial oriole]

that's why you also have manual memory management, even in rust

[runic wigeon]

yeah I was referring to that

[gritty zinc]

every function not written in assembly is a performance bottleneck and must be rewritten ASAP 😠

RIIA

[jovial oriole]

yup that's the rust book, teaches u rust

[runic wigeon]

hm

[low chasm]

And rust doesn't?

[jovial oriole]

anyway, i have algebra

imma be lurking now

hi hsp

[jaunty wraith]

*RAII

[acoustic moss]

one of these days im seriously going to run !bl add filter_token [autoban] rust

[gritty zinc]

why do you have a boys love command?

[tardy rain]

oh my days hsp

[acoustic moss]

pride month

[gritty zinc]

🥴

[rough sapphire]

Functions in assembly are inefficient

[low chasm]

So the compiler can reliably generate machine code?

[rough sapphire]

They're a lot slower than itteration

[acoustic moss]

by functions in assembly are you just referring to

[gritty zinc]

how so?

[tulip cedar]

Might as well use binary to create a Warzone like game to make it an optimized version of the game

[acoustic moss]

jump

[jovial oriole]

everything not written in binary is a cardinal sin and you will sent straight to the underworld for it

[low chasm]

I'll sue

[rough sapphire]

Rust doesnt allow as much choice as c++ so youll have to do everything youd have to do in c++ manually

[jaunty wraith]

some flavor of assembly has call

[acoustic moss]

you were saying something aboo?

[gritty zinc]

youll have to do everything youd have to do in c++ manually
...what'd that be?

[low chasm]

Have an example?

[jovial oriole]

!bl add filter_token [autoban] c++

[rough sapphire]

Meaning it doesnt insentivise lower level control

[low chasm]

admin aboose

[acoustic moss]

hmm i prolly shouldnt do that again

lmao

[low chasm]

too late, banned

[rough sapphire]

Well for example theres like 2 alternatives to the auto keyword and they all create a different code structure and have different efficincies at low level

[jovial oriole]

📨 👌 applied ban to member that i don't know who you are referring to, permanently.

[low chasm]

auto? Isn't that type inference lol

[rough sapphire]

Yes but it changes how the program functions at low level depending on if you use say auto or templates

[low chasm]

in C++?

[rough sapphire]

Yes

[low chasm]

What does that have to do with having to do stuff manually in Rust though

and I still don't see how any of this proves that C++ is faster

[rough sapphire]

The point is c++ allows you to quickly choose how your c++ program functions at low level

[gritty zinc]

c++ templates aren't at all different from rust generic functions "at low level". in both cases, you get monomorphization at compile time, with all the optimizations possible for the concrete type.

[rough sapphire]

Because rust has a smaller standard library it doesnt allow you to easilly and practically change nuances

C++ makes nuances practical

Also side note, templates are bad for efficiency

Auto is much faster

[low chasm]

having a smaller standard library makes a language slower? doesnt C also have a small standard library?

[gritty zinc]

that's, i note, entirely unrelated to your previous points

[rough sapphire]

It can yes

[gritty zinc]

Also side note, templates are bad for efficiency
Auto is much faster
how can that possibly be true?

[jovial oriole]

rust is kinda rusty imo

[rough sapphire]

Rust is younger, im sure it will be as practically fast as c++ eventually

[low chasm]

is it really that much slower right now?

[rough sapphire]

I like rust too

[jovial oriole]

@rough sapphire, your sense of humor is fine, because it is down right hilarious that you're saying c++ is better than rust

[rough sapphire]

No its not slow by any means

I never said its better

[jovial oriole]

it was implied

[rough sapphire]

Im saying its practically faster to implement low level nuances

You can generalize my statements if you want to but i was verry specific

[jovial oriole]

not when you have go through a wall of text to find a missing asterisk

[rough sapphire]

I like rust just as much if not more than c++

[rough sapphire]

Depends on your compiler flags

And the tools your using

[low chasm]

clang has decent error messages, I've heard

[jovial oriole]

yes but does your c++ compiler link documentation on how to make lines better and optimize parts of your code?

[rough sapphire]

Yea personally i like to use g++ paired with valgrind

No reason in particular im just used to gcc

[jovial oriole]

okay i gotta go now

[rough sapphire]

I dont need to, ive memorized most of the nessicary documentation

Alright cya man

But yea in conclusion c++ and rust are both great languages and i think they're both great. Also rust would be a respectable successor to c++ imo.

Now back to python general

[jovial oriole]

@dapper dew you've been thinking about mountain biking for quite a bit now, go for a ride and give yourself a well deserved break.

[dapper dew]

My dropper post got delivered today, but I don't know if it comes with a cable

[tardy rain]

no one here knows html

[young shoal]

what's html

[uneven pine]

Do you mean CSS?

Because HTML takes all of 10 minutes to learn

It's just marku0

[floral apex]

There's always forms

Or the more semantic aspects of HTML, that affect accessibility tools and SEO

[rough sapphire]

imagine writing HTML

when we have Flutter

[candid grotto]

html takes a very little time to learn, did you mean CSS?

[floral apex]

Imagine making websites with Flutter

when we have HTML

[uneven pine]

I literally said that The message before . Lol

Okay there are a few blocked ones between but I'm assuming they weren't paragraphs

[floral apex]

I think it means HSP's Tiny Me Likeness

@acoustic moss You have like your own Mini-Me, right?

[acoustic moss]

no idea what that is but definitely

[jovial oriole]

bruh

[pulsar flower]

When downloading the source (not the built distribution) the package pep517 the files in the pypi .tar.gz seems to contain two extra files than the github tag .tar.gz for the same version.

I thought the source was supposed to be same

[frozen coral]

it doesn't need to be

the one on github is going to be just the source

the one on pypi will be published from some CI, which may add some metadata

[trail juniper]

Which extra files are you seeing

I'm just seeing PKG-INFO which is expected

[pulsar flower]

and setup.py

[trail juniper]

Right

They are both for facilitating install

[frozen coral]

I imagine that's auto generated by flit when publishing

[trail juniper]

Basically all packagers (poetry, pipenv, setuptools, distutils) generate it or require it

It's what is run when you install

[pulsar flower]

I was trying to build from source and the test is failing for that generated setup.py file so I guess I can exclude that in pytest

[trail juniper]

If you want to run the tests, mimicking CI is usually your best bet

They use tox, so you just need to run the right tox command and it'll take care of it from there

[pulsar flower]

But doesn't that CI uses the uploaded source directly? aka without the setup.py file

[trail juniper]

flit install should get the package built from source for you as well

[trail juniper]

Yeah, so mimicking it should work in theory

The tox config has this nifty option: skipsdist = true

[pulsar flower]

Indeed, I see that now in their tox.ini

[thick osprey]

skip_install = true is another gem of tox. You can run other tools inline with the tests.

https://github.com/Preocts/secretbox/blob/main/tox.ini#L17-L20

[royal lake]

tox.ini lines 17 to 20

[testenv:pre-commit]
skip_install = true
deps = pre-commit
commands = pre-commit run --all-files --show-diff-on-failure```

[shrewd prawn]

im currently dual booting windows and linux, and i want to have shared files that i can easily access from both oses. is it a bad practice to have a separate disk partition for shared files like shown in the image?

[uneven pine]

It works

Probably the simplest way of doing it

Nothing wrong with that

[shrewd prawn]

alr thats comforting to hear

[quaint elm]

Is there a reason for the FAT FS? I can't recall never having problems with NTFS with Ubuntu.

[shrewd prawn]

i mean, it's kinda what was just given to me

i just needed a file system that was compatible with everything

[thick osprey]

Hope that's at least FAT32 and just not saying it. 🥴 I too thought ubuntu could handle ntfs but there ya have it.

[shrewd prawn]

yeah its fat32

[quaint elm]

I think I had some big files back then so I can't say I've used it on a HDD, but it should be a pretty safe option.

Oh. That dialogue box is saying "with Windows", as in "Linux with Windows".

[uneven pine]

Ubuntu can handle NTFS absolutely

However every time I used it back when I dual booted ANY distro, the NTFS partitions were slow as hell on linux

[viscid hemlock]

I don't think Ubuntu is comfortable with it. I used to mount my Windows boot drive and Ubuntu could read it, but it was a bit meh sometimes if I remember correctly

[thick osprey]

That's fair. I get spoiled with WSL and forget there's actually a difference between a linux box and windows box.

[uneven pine]

Yeah

WSL it's great because it took away my needs to ever have a VM or dual boot again

So I don't have to deal with that OS any more than necessary for my development testing

[lusty rune]

dank memer kinda died since the buttons update

[raven narwhal]

pytorch or tensorflow: which one is better in ur opinion?

[tardy rain]

Better in terms of what

TF is more widely used

[gritty zinc]

Here's an excerpt from Deep learning with PyTorch (written by the devs of PyTorch) that talks about the differences:

The tl;dr, in my opinion, is that pytorch was a lot easier to get into when it just began (because it had implicit graphs and TF didn't), but by nowadays they've become very similar.

[hasty wraith]

h

[shrewd prawn]

so, i was trying to create a python venv on this drive, and it gave me a "Operation not permitted" error

apparently, symbolic links or smth arent compatible with FAT32

yay

wuts a symbolic link?

and for some reason, windows venvs work fine, but linux ones dont?

idk

yay tried to resize the partition and it gave me an error ive never seen before

why cant hings just be simple D:

[viscid hemlock]

It's the ability to say that one folder = folder I guess. At least that's my understanding

For example, I can have this one folder /A be a symbolic link to /B. Whenever I access an item inside of /A it will be looked inside of /B - because that's where the files are actually stored.

[jovial oriole]

well, yeah

[shrewd prawn]

hm ic

but why cant you just have them be the same folder?

[viscid hemlock]

I've had some uses for sym links, but it is pretty rare

[jovial oriole]

@viral parrot thanks for you advice, i have begun collecting friend requests

not a lot of people wanna be friends, as hypothesized

[honest star]

I go to troubleshoot some old, buggy code that's been spitting errors all week. When I try to replicate the errors it works flawlessly ;_;

[frozen coral]

it aura at work

[jovial oriole]

if this happened with legacy code, i would start getting paranoid. not sure whether or not it's working. and boom, at deployment, 7 errors.

[rough sapphire]

Why are ot channels so dry nowadays

[jovial oriole]

!otn a non-dry-otn

there, fixed

[rough sapphire]

Wut

[rough sapphire]

I don't think it is a good idea to perform factory reset for Win 10 while using mobile data for active connection? At the same time I intend on either clearing or dumping the OS for Linux, but that would be a one-way ticket as of right now because I have no Win 10 physical copy either. The main question is the matter of transfer, installation, and files. I only have one flash drive and there are bunch of personal files I wanted to move but I heard installing Linux image from medium has a chance to wipe the contents clean during the process, so here I am asking.

[frozen coral]

If you're planning on installing linux, it's usually best to wipe the drive you're installing linux on.

If you have a second internal drive, you could move your important files to that. If not, you could use a service like google drive.

[rough sapphire]

What about dual boot? Is there a possibility to change the partition allocation after initial setup should I install linux first?

[frozen coral]

Yea, you'd need to partition some space on your drive for linux

you should setup the partition in windows first

[rough sapphire]

Man I really wish I kept those 4 GB flash drives. Would have saved me world of trouble right now.

Would you mind if I were to ask for a recommendation? Right now I fixed my mind on mint (cin) because I've used it before for some period of time but I am open for any suggestions.

[uneven pine]

My official recommendation is not to bother with Linux

However

Elementary if you like the MacOS style

Otherwise plain Ubuntu

[soft violet]

Hss!

[uneven pine]

Or Kubuntu if you like more windows style but not outdated windows XP interface like Mint is

[soft violet]

(To each heir own, in the end.)

[uneven pine]

Just avoud 22.04 Ubuntu based anything

[rough sapphire]

I've done some digging in recent few days and got interested in Manjaro.

[uneven pine]

Apparently their memory manager is killing all apps constantly

[rough sapphire]

Especially the plasma KDE because of the amount of desktop customization.

[uneven pine]

Do not touch anything arch based unless you're very very familiar with Linux and debugging/fixing things

[rough sapphire]

Is it that volatile?

[uneven pine]

It is not stable, and the ecosystem expects you to be able to fix things when they (regularly) go wrong

Or just don't work

It's very volatile yes

In fact in my 13 years of pretty much daily use arch and it's derivatives (Manjaro, there's another clstartd with an e I can't remember right now)

Are the only distros that caused serious headaches, let alone constantly

[rough sapphire]

Kubuntu seems solid.

Is it still supported though?

[uneven pine]

Mhm

Just like I said

Avoid the new 22.04 version

On anything Ubuntu or Ubuntu based

They gotta patch that memory manager lol

It's just killing apps left and right from what I hear

Upgrading Ubuntu is also extremely easy

So if you use 21.10 now once 22.04 gets patched up it's trivial to upgrade in place to 22.04

[cinder laurel]

but that's how it was in DR1 and I don't think there's a reason to assume it would be different, since all the Unity code is new anywayWordle 357 4/6

⬛⬛🟩⬛🟨
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🟩⬛🟩🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[fierce mirage]

Can someone explain me this? (Python3/Python2)

I mean like, of course global variables change inside for loop?

[tranquil orchid]

I think they're just referring to the fact that loops don't have their own scope in Python

Unlike some other languages

[fierce mirage]

I see

[drowsy rose]

git outta here

!otn cool channel

sad

[brazen ingot]

my wallet is a joke?

100 dollars book

🥴

[lime maple]

bruhh

That's overrated

Bad book 😡

[brazen ingot]

lmao hardcover

[rough sapphire]

filetype:pdf

[honest spade]

is having a girlfriend a good thing?

[topaz aurora]

Depends how you value relationships like that

[honest spade]

you have experience?

im in school

[topaz aurora]

I do

[honest spade]

i wonder if that will do me more harm or good

i mean im still studying

[topaz aurora]

It's really situational, but it really depends on how it goes

[honest spade]

its probably because of the fact that i feel lonely and i struggle to find motivation

and that im always an underdog and i never get respect and stuff

[topaz aurora]

Yeah I understand that

[honest spade]

what does a relationship give you

[topaz aurora]

A healthy one will give you self-improvement

Because both of you will set yourselves up to be better people, in one way or another

Of course, the romantic stuff comes as a bonus, at least for me anyways

[honest spade]

yea of course

did you have one when in school?

[topaz aurora]

I did

[honest spade]

did it help?

[topaz aurora]

For school? Not really, but I didn't find it distracting neither

[topaz aurora]

Although this was the primary effect on me

[honest spade]

that's what im hoping for

im not a bad person, but people see me as the kind of person to take drugs and vape lol

[topaz aurora]

That's just an image problem, really, and not really a "you" problem; people have prejudices

[honest spade]

i get judged a lot

so i struggle to find love

how did you find it?

[topaz aurora]

I found it out of happenstance

It kinda just happened

[honest spade]

wait first

are you male or female

[topaz aurora]

I prefer not to answer :P

[honest spade]

alr

but that changes thing a lot

[topaz aurora]

In some cultures, yep

[honest spade]

when a girl goes for a boy that boy is cool

when a boy goes for a girl that boy is just a simp

...

[tardy rain]

That is kinda cringe

Mindset like that one creates 40year old virgins

[honest spade]

nah bro im serious lol

[topaz aurora]

Kinda yikers

[honest spade]

i tried and i failed miserably lmao

[jovial oriole]

(lurks in hrlo)

[topaz aurora]

It'd probably best to wait and focus on other things in the meantime. Building friendships also help quite significantly

[honest spade]

yea abt that i got little friends

i dont fit in

[jovial oriole]

this reminds me of myself so much

i came to this little suburban town in 2017

no friends, left everything behind

[topaz aurora]

I'd look for genuine friendships over many ones

[jovial oriole]

and nearly 6 years later, still no friends

[honest spade]

im not exactly a teacher's favorite

cuz i dont like to take orders

instead, i like to do things my way

[jovial oriole]

wouldn't make you more popular if you were

[honest spade]

people fking hate teacher's pets

im a bad kid

the teacher's say i rotted to death long time ago

no save lol

[jovial oriole]

i wouldn't recommend getting into relationships really young, i would rather focus on making friends and your future career paths

[honest spade]

see i already made myself as a loner

as a proud, able to do everything loner

never tried

want to try

problem

is

im dont show myself as a nice person

everyone wants out and away from me

i mean

how ppl see me is hard to change

it could very bad though

idk how

im a basketball person

idk if that helps

[jovial oriole]

well, changing your perspective of yourself is easier than changing others

[honest spade]

my perspective is already dead hard

i see myself as unbreakable, able to do anything, dont need anyone, super prideful, invincible

[jovial oriole]

nice, i don't have any sporty intrests

only a couple

[honest spade]

i have full faith in my person

to quote, they think im just cocky af

and self centered

[jovial oriole]

well, are you? 🤨

[honest spade]

no

i seldom toxic others

but when others toxic me i will fk them over

i dont shit on others, but when others shit on me, i fuck them over

[jovial oriole]

that would be pretty cocky

[honest spade]

i never really try to say im better than others

jjust waitin to prove everyone wrong

u got a gf?

how was your previous experiences with gf

y

i thought it would be great

what doe s aserious one mean lol

yea idk wut does that mean

i just need emotional support

[jovial oriole]

@remote hazel

your wish has been granted

[honest spade]

lmao

[remote hazel]

hello

[jovial oriole]

flamingdev requires emotional support

[honest spade]

im freaking 14

[remote hazel]

im at your service

[jovial oriole]

👍

holy shit

there is a spider that just made a web from the ceiling

and it down

[honest spade]

lol

im inable

at least im trying to get myself attractive

get some abs, muscles

[jovial oriole]

okay yes but the real question is

do you have a reddit account?

because if so, good luck finding a gf

because it's a well known fact to all major scientists that redditors are in capable of forming relationships ||/s||

[honest spade]

i dont reddit

absolutely nope

[jovial oriole]

nice

[honest spade]

i tried once and i got rejected

damn

dayum dayum dayum

i mean, idk how

its very embarrassing im ngl

y lol

oh lol

hope dat works

the girl i used to like kinda hanged me

i had to like use an alt account to talk to her and understand why lol

[uneven pine]

Cringe

[rough sapphire]

In the end decided on mint.

I'll move on further once I am confident how to get my way around the OS.

[uneven pine]

If I never see another wasp in my life it'll be too soon

[twin hearth]

bro why is you pushing this 14 year old to get a gf

yk at 14 there are way more important things

[twin hearth]

if i were you friend, i would have gone with opensuse

[maiden tartan]

For a docker compose file, do i still need a Dockerfile? Or every directive from the Dockerfile, can it be written in the docker compose file as well?

[jaunty wraith]

you still need a Dockerfile. docker compose is more like a declarative way of specifying options for docker commands

[maiden tartan]

docker compose more like instead of docker run command?

[uneven pine]

From what I remember they're not extremely familiar with Linux, so Ubuntu based is a far better choice

The second best next to not using Linux

[twin hearth]

lol ubuntu is awesome dude

but linux compared with windows is always gonna be a downer

[uneven pine]

Even compared to MacOS

[jaunty wraith]

for example, specifying a port, binding a volume, etc. would require those options to be specified to the docker run command
with docker compose, you can specify those in a file and just run docker compose run which would read the options from that file

[maiden tartan]

thanks. i need to practice more with Dockerfile and docker compose, to differentiate in what should i write in a Dockerfile and what I should write in a docker compose file.

[distant hazel]

have you made dockerfiles before where you have them 2 levels above the src code directory?

but files such as config.toml were in the same dir as Dockerfile?

[jaunty wraith]

yeah. we use a git submodule, which has a common docker compose file (which started common DBs and stuff) and other stuff for it, which uses IIRC

...
    build:
        context: ..
        dockerfile: Dockerfile

2 levels above should work the same just with ../..

though we're slooowly migrating to not use docker compose

[distant hazel]

I am completely new to using Docker outside of what other people have already written

when I tried I was able to get a build but the entrypoint to uvicorn wasn't running properly or I got a 503 or... smth. can't rmbr exactly rn

[maiden tartan]

why? is docker compose bad? 🙂

[jaunty wraith]

it's not bad, but for us, getting the submodule to update in every service's repo is a PITA

and letting service owners define their own is not an option

[jaunty wraith]

maybe a problem with ports not being exposed properly? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[maiden tartan]

@jaunty wraith While i have you here 🙂 If i make a modification in a container, should i write the said modification in the Dockerfile as well? 🙂

[jaunty wraith]

most probably not. what kind of modification?

[maiden tartan]

a symlink for an nginx confing, pointing to a file in a docker volume ( ln -s /mnt/wgvpn /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/wgvpn )

[jaunty wraith]

those changes should be tracked in git

[rough sapphire]

I have almost 1 TB of free space but only 5 GB can be be shrinked. Any suggestions?

Unless I can run linux on that (or flash) for long enough to erase everything else.

[blissful moth]

hey

i know that different languages do different things

in applications and whatnot

but putting those aside (i.e. only language features like generics & whatnot)

what does kotlin have that java doesn't?

i've seen a couple of memes about it being a better version of java

[low chasm]

well, I wouldn't exclude language features for a comparison like this

differing language features are part of what makes two languages different (and perhaps one objectively better)

apart from that though, kotlin has access to the Java ecosystem, so your good in that regard

[lofty dirge]

It's less verbose, many people say the Syntax is nicer then Java

[jovial oriole]

Is there any action to be taken in the current state of geo-political affairs my advisors?

[still frigate]

any up for writing a chat platform project? dm if interested

[quiet tusk]

Wowwwwwwww

A single, lonely little occupied room

I don't think I've ever seen that before

[thick osprey]

There we go @vale raven - First of a few. Now I'm thinking of how to automation translating the setup.cfg to pyproject.toml.

https://github.com/Preocts/pagerduty-safelist-gatherer

"day off"

[vale raven]

My "day off" contained my boss texting me about how he needs an answer immediately so he can "decide if he wants to implement the vendors plan or not"

Vendor just flew a team of people out to our facility. They're already here, they landed today.

The vendor is looking for a solution for a problem that they have with their system that they can implement with all the companies they do business with.

They don't have a plan. They have a couple of ideas, and they're wanting to test and see what works well so they can work on a plan
I mean... whether he wants to implement their plan? I'm not sure he even understands what's going on.... Vendor is trying to fix their systems - has nothing to do with him - probably won't actually require any change at all to our systems

[vale raven]

Welcome to the new age!
Enjoy your stay!

[thick osprey]

That's not a glorious situation. Not sure there's more to say about it. I hope most your day was enjoyable.

[tulip cedar]

Nice!

[warped sentinel]

!rule 5

[royal lake]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may break laws, breach terms of services, or are malicious or inappropriate.

[fervent socket]

ok

[tidal bluff]

I wouldn't care if the building was on fire, I don't take work calls on my days off :/

[tulip cedar]

Work from Home

[jovial oriole]

https://github.com/HRLO77/CLImail - so, i spent a solid 2 hours fixing a splice

[0-(size+1):-1:1]

[rough sapphire]

:/

then maybe it isn’t the job for you

[jovial oriole]

sounds like the perfect super-villian beginning

[uneven pine]

I mean I agree with the sentiment

I have my off days for a reason

Many times my jobs try to call me in

And many times I say good luck

"but we have no driver for open!"
Well I guess you're not taking deliveries today, mate.

[rough sapphire]

i wish i could say the same

[uneven pine]

It's especially funny since the entire month I'm working 6 day weeks

And both jobs know I'm doing this

My one "off day"is entirely spent running errands and cleaning

So I don't get a real off day until next month

[carmine apex]

portugal supposedly has laws fining companies that attempt to bother employees after hours

[uneven pine]

And I still get a message "hey can you come in on Monday"

Hmm, let me ask my laundry

Sorry guys

Laundry said no

[rough sapphire]

i live shit and sleep in the middle of nowhere, every day for me is a working day

[uneven pine]

This is why I got the fuck out of the south

[rough sapphire]

not even in my own country, my time off consists of trying to talk to locals in a foreign language and cleaning rifles

although the Portuguese locals seem to love playing card games so i can invite them to a game of poker and win lots of money

[muted pebble]

I totally get this, lol. Been there

[alpine edge]

Why do people find the need to put a ^ when they agree with something, I mean its just redundant

[karmic gust]

is agreeing with something redundant

[alpine edge]

Theres not really a point to send a message (not react) because it literally adds nothing to the conversation or anything sentiment wise, but putting a reaction like this is fine

[uneven pine]

You forget that many people disable reactions

And it's perfectly reasonable to use that as a statement of agreement or whatnot

[tardy rain]

you can disable reactions?

[last mantle]

idts

[tidal bluff]

User Settings -> Text & Images -> Show emoji reactions on messages

[tulip cedar]

Never knew

[mild abyss]

damn it @Fisher not again

[jovial oriole]

@lofty dirge i need just one more for my collection

mind hopping in?

[acoustic moss]

🤨

[tulip cedar]

@eternal wing what did u do 👀

[eternal wing]

Ive lost track at this point

I do not envy he who pings rabbit out of the blue

[jovial oriole]

but i need rabbit

for the 69

[lunar shore]

Wtf, comments don't load for any Persian channel on Youtube, isn't that weird? Tried on both firefox and chrome

[muted pebble]

probably a result of censoring? have you tried it with a proxy/vpn ?

[lunar shore]

I can't enter youtube without a VPN anyway, lol

[muted pebble]

then the censorship is thick indeed...what country are you in?

[lunar shore]

I just mentioned. Iran

But

it used to work like 2 hours ago

[muted pebble]

you said 'Persia' 🙂 Persia encompasses more than Iran's boundaries...well it did wayyyyy back....

[lunar shore]

I said "Persian" , being the current language of Iran

well, I guess you could say I might watch Persian vids and I could be from some other country

but anyway

from 2 hours ago

[muted pebble]

Oh, I didn't know Persian was the official Iranian language. Forgive me

[lunar shore]

it just stopped loading comments

[lunar shore]

it's okay dw about it lol

but the weird thing is

it's just for Persian youtubers

For others it works

[muted pebble]

That's almost like......is something fixing to go down in Iran?

[lunar shore]

you mean like a change in network?

[muted pebble]

can you see Twitter right now?

[lunar shore]

With the VPN I have on right now, sure

[muted pebble]

no I mean like preparation for something civil/military...disabling unauthorized communication

maybe YouTube is just experiencing issues right now

[lunar shore]

just for Persian youtubers? I doubt cause you can't even choose "Iran" in the country in your account settings

[muted pebble]

yeah it's not that then. Twitter would be down for yall too...

[lunar shore]

It seems to be selective

[muted pebble]

interesting....

[lunar shore]

It is, I'm just using it with a VPN

[muted pebble]

comments on YouTube will probably come back

[lunar shore]

weird thing is tho

it is saying like

[muted pebble]

let me see if they are working on my end. Have link to a Persian youtube video that you can't view the comments for?

[lunar shore]

3805 comments

but not showing any

wait lemme test on my phone too

[muted pebble]

ok

[lunar shore]

oh wow

it just appeared for a second

and disappeared when i reloaded

that's like... it's intentional

oh nvm

it's also occuring in other vids

like non-persian

it probably is a youtube-only problem

[muted pebble]

let me see...

[lunar shore]

yea

[muted pebble]

oh wow, comments aren't loading for me too

[lunar shore]

yep

that's a youtube problem then

thanks, just wanted to make sure it's not some stupid sanction

[muted pebble]

indeed. I've never seen this happen lol

[lunar shore]

same

[raven narwhal]

Damn this a nice game

[compact willow]

Hi, anyone LGBT here? Particularly T - I need help please. I'm scared

[white hamlet]

Me

[lunar shore]

The more I'm using firefox, the better it seems lol

[blissful moth]

is there's an .m2 for maven

that implies the existence of a .m1

[lament solar]

How can I get the total amount per "Card Holder" per "month" in excel using pandas/numpy?

https://ibb.co/ZgT4wJP

[topaz aurora]

@wraith hound Defining another instance after an instance chain would be considered overlapping

ah wait actually no, it allows it, but I haven't really encountered anything of the sort yet

[wraith hound]

I have no idea what that means ><

[topaz aurora]

Ok so for an example of an overlapping instance, consider:

instance Klass a where
  ..

instance Klass Int where
  ..
```which do you think makes sense to choose here?

[wraith hound]

The one with Int

Because it's more concrete

[clear plume]

Hey, I'm trans. What's up?

^^ MTF

[topaz aurora]

Sure, but both are perfectly valid instances for Int. It's a matter of selecting which one is more appropriate. In most cases though, you don't want to override the more general instance, since it'll end up introducing subtle bugs especially if the general instance is defined in another module

[wraith hound]

Isn't the overriding exactly the goal?

For example, I want my custom Show [mytype] to override the stdlib's Show [a] where Show a (pseusocode)

[topaz aurora]

Yes, but you end up breaking inference along the way unless you also override priorities somehow. Overlapping instances become a real problem with multiple type class parameters, because then, you end up with a plethora of complications, like solving something along the lines of

instance WhichOne a Int a

instance WhichOne Int a Int
```Quick question, are you learning Haskell by any chance or implementing type classes?

[wraith hound]

Implementing them. Although I'm definitely going to end up completely rewriting them at some point.

[topaz aurora]

The idea is that instance declarations are like patterns in pattern matching, except there's no definitive order unless:

1. You enforce them manually, by always choosing concrete types
2. Defining an abstraction like an instance chain, such that order is resolved

Orphan instances also present a problem with selection because then you'll have to choose between which "pattern" is more correct between two modules or packages

[wraith hound]

I see

Thanks for the explanation

[topaz aurora]

After I'm done with my lexer I'll probably get into implementing type classes

In a few years time I'll have a working PureScript frontend lol

[compact willow]

Hi

[raven narwhal]

Hah yeah

Brave is even better

Its gui is an exact copy of chrome

[tulip cedar]

Agreed

Brave is good

[mild abyss]

why does this syntax reminded me of julia

[mild abyss]

kek it isnt

crypto nfts

is that better?

🥴

[raven narwhal]

@mild abyss I have nothing to do with someone so obsessed with anime like you

[mild abyss]

whats with anime and browsers? for someone trying to make a counter argument, you go to ad hominem. boring and lame

[mild abyss]

what does that have to do with me telling you brave isnt any better? and how is anime any different than any kind of TV show? youre weird

[rough sapphire]

Hello guys

[lunar shore]

was my main browser before firefox. until i saw what it did

[lunar shore]

lmaooooo that doesnt mean anything

its like saying "bro, i dont care what you say because you like rap music"

[lunar shore]

also yor lookin good

[mild abyss]

people hate for the most nonsensical or useless of reasons

at this point im not surprised people like them end up being racists

[lunar shore]

ikr. its just opinions man.

[lunar shore]

indeed

[mild abyss]

well racists are nonsensical anyway

[lunar shore]

lol yea

[mild abyss]

u can actually download the pic btw

each ep, their website release some pics

[lunar shore]

i see

[lunar shore]

damn

[mild abyss]

https://spy-family.net/special/special9.php

[lunar shore]

o wow

[mild abyss]

yeah i need wholesome series

but i have a feeling it will go dark then to wholesome at some point

[tulip cedar]

What did u see?

[raven narwhal]

What else am i supposed to reply to anyone who straight up denies my statement without showing any reason

[rough sapphire]

opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one

[tight granite]

we all love eslint don't we

[mild abyss]

oh my. are u talking about yourself? 😏

i said brave browser has crypto and nft crap, implying it is not any better :P

[raven narwhal]

But its open source

Isnt it?

[mild abyss]

it does not mean it isnt bad :P

also dont attack my preferences just because you dont understand what im saying

[raven narwhal]

Why do u even need to work with cryptos and nfts

Just use it like a normal user bruh

[tight granite]

bro sounds like "To tHe mOoN 🌑🌑🌑🚀🚀🚀🚀🪙🪙" 🤓

[mild abyss]

yeah sure. replacing ads with brave ads and the weird reward system with binance. what theyre saying contradicts what theyre doing. and it is not like they are not caught collecting user data.

[raven narwhal]

Ok ok fine brave is sh*t now forget what i said and stop eating what is left of my head

[lunar shore]

Well, a ton of stuff. For example, they used to put affiliate links without any permission from the user in a certain update. for binance.us I believe they put an affiliate link, so like when you entered binance.us, it would redirect you to binance.us/?ref=something and they were getting money from that, there are more controversies than that. Brave rewards' donations going to brave instead of the content creators they donated to, etc.

for the affiliate links, as soon as people realized they just gave an update and removed it

like, that's so messed up

privacy browser? more like selling your data to brave without even knowing it

[lunar shore]

try firefox if you don't wanna use Chrome/Chromium Edge (which are chromium based, not really private)

[lunar shore]

no reason? He mentioned one

If you don't care about privacy that much, at least use Chrome with uBlock and you'll be good to go

If you've used chrome and didn't like it, Edge is also a good choice

if you also don't trust microsoft/google, then try Firefox

I personally like the Firefox UI more anyway

[tulip cedar]

That's totally messed up, agreed. Good thing I don't donate BAT to anyone anyways. And well, tbh about the affiliate links, I don't care much (I know I should but, uhhh)

[lunar shore]

I mean

[mild abyss]

RaderH20 vs Me
Rader - explains everything
Me - Half assed it because lazy

Rader +1
Me -100

[lunar shore]

I don't care much about privacy. But the things brave did were just so bad
The reason I don't use chrome is because of the ram usage
Edge is more for microsoft environments, didn't like it

[lunar shore]

lmaooo

[mild abyss]

There was a controversy about firefox too that made people go to librewolf but yeah i think that was about free speech or something

[lunar shore]

at least it wasn't about privacy stuff

that was for governmental stuff

[mild abyss]

for me it was a misunderstanding when people read the blog. it was about censorship and how it should be practiced or something but yeah.

tired to explain.

[lunar shore]

yea

but honestly

as people have said here too, there are literally 2 browsers only. Chromium (chromium based are just chromium with the company's name and some little features added), and Firefox (using the gecko engine)
If firefox doesn't survive, it's not good news

[mild abyss]

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ it was this blog

i think the point of the blog is to stop or limit the spread of dis/misinformation

[lunar shore]

I see

[mild abyss]

because such information can become so harmful to society, it causes social unrest

e.g. antivaxxers, flat-earthers

[lunar shore]

they've got a point, sometimes freedom can bring harm

but

idk

they should've let the users decide

[mild abyss]

i think people think freedom as something like "free to do anything because its for me and not for you".
i think real freedom is doing what you want to do and not the expense of others lives, wives, husbands, etc

[lunar shore]

yes, that's right

[rough sapphire]

If I can join the conversation, it's so weird that some people that advocate for freedom of speech seem to forget that defamation laws exist

[tardy rain]

freedom of speech is to protect against government tyranny, not against you saying shit about another citizen

so many people dont understand that

[rough sapphire]

Yeah, though to be fair, it's not aided by the fact that "freedom of speech" is vague whether it's about governmental or interpersonal

[tardy rain]

very clear imo

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[rough sapphire]

Yeah, but it gets brought up when someone gets banned in social media (and social media isn't really governmental (as preventing only the governmental aspect is the current way it is))

[tardy rain]

social media sucks tho so yea, fuck em

twitter goes through some incredible hoops to get around all this shit

[rough sapphire]

What do you mean? /gen

[tardy rain]

courts decide that twitter is some sort of public square and that trump cant block people on it, but also acts as a private company and bans whoever they want