ot1-perplexing-regexing

[rough sapphire]

because of uBlock origin extension

on desktop i never consider using firefox as main browser though

[lunar shore]

why not

[rough sapphire]

because it objectively takes more ram, it's significantly less used than chrome so it's worse browser to test your web apps on

[zealous comet]

if you only care about ram you may want to use edge

[rough sapphire]

I really don't care about the ram part

[mild abyss]

really? i experienced it take less

[low chasm]

Horimiya is the cutest manga ever I think I'm addicted

[jovial patrol]

But I need from +91 bro i dont want frm other countries. If i use some number from india its only showing madya pradesh and its ip address for every number is also not changing that is the problem.

[thorny spire]

XD

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @thorny spire until <t:1653979138:f> (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).

[jovial oriole]

@rough sapphire

there's your first image

now get your ai working

[remote hazel]

lmfao

[rancid haven]

His partner stressed him so much he's grown old

[tulip cedar]

Wow, he's a 31 year old grandpa

[floral apex]

I remember the opposite is why I had a period of staying on Firefox

But eh, who cares about a not so major difference in RAM usage anyways

And I keep hearing about how Firefox had superior CSS dev tools

[rough sapphire]

I’m not gonna lie, that seems very good for befginers

[violet phoenix]

d

[rough sapphire]

hi

[lusty minnow]

how is everyone doing

[tulip cedar]

@rough sapphire istg yr cat and dog pair is cuteeee and damn adorable

[rough sapphire]

ty

[tulip cedar]

Can u lend me both of them for a few days? 🥺

[rough sapphire]

sure

[frozen coral]

I think our pride logo is pretty cool https://raw.githubusercontent.com/python-discord/branding/main/events/pride/server_icons/logo_pride.gif

[karmic gust]

what's the one with the black corner?

[frozen coral]

this one?

it seems like the demisexual flag rotated 45 degrees

not sure if that's a different one or not

[tribal aurora]

at least the colors are not the same

damn discord slow af

[uneven pine]

Ah yes, pride month, the time when I have to pretend for a month to be cis/het so I don't get associated with all the corporate crap and... Especially loud parts of the community I don't agree with

[raven narwhal]

listen, my man. If u could find the locations from phone numbers, everyone in the world would know everyone's location, since all the phone numbers are listed in a public phone numbers directory

think about all the people in ur contacts knowing ur location

its not possible

u can only track a persons location from their ip address and cell tower they are connected to

u can monitor their location from their searches, using internet etc.

but thers always the possibility they dont connect to the internet

[dapper dew]

@plush bolt some screenshots

[rough sapphire]

brad on the moon?

[dapper dew]

*Jeb on Minmus

[rough sapphire]

😳

[low chasm]

These screenshots are out of this world

[minor cove]

The ocean is a soup

[mild abyss]

[pure lava]

dode!!

[prime lagoon]

Im a heteroromantic asexual, I feel ya when you say that you are disassociated. I am not part of it myself. There's not a single thing that would change my mind on that. Props to those that participate regardless.

[paper plinth]

@last yoke cmon lets discuss

whats this koko

[last yoke]

whats the point of this?

its obviously a screenshot so what?

i cant have my own personal opinion now?

[tulip cedar]

Smh

[tawdry crater]

i hate visual studio

omg

so

slow

[tulip cedar]

Well it's slow cz it's a whole full fledged ide

[tawdry crater]

vscode is too, its not slow

wish i could use vscode for UE

but sadly, nope

[tulip cedar]

Weird, VSC isn't slow for me

[tawdry crater]

vscode isn't slow for me either

[tulip cedar]

Oh, nvm didn't read the second part of that message, sorry

[muted pebble]

...for this. A discussion between two people that is meant to be private isn't anyones damn business. Not to mention, just the content of it is flammable. You're helping to keep the issue going by continued participation in it...

[paper plinth]

the guy literally dm'd me that screenshot and told me to tell the mods

at least know the full story brah

[muted pebble]

I know he did! You must be young. Grow up!

[paper plinth]

?? what the hell are you talking about

[muted pebble]

lol exactly.... have a nice day 🙂

[paper plinth]

?? bro are you on something?

hello?

@muted pebble u gonna make some sense or just leave it at that?

[distant hazel]

better it end here

[muted pebble]

in case anyone's curious. I don't harbor any ill will towards another human being based on their decision as to who they like/love and wanna be intimate with.

[grave burrow]

!e
x = "FTarlusee"
print(x[::2])

[royal lake]

@grave burrow :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

[rough sapphire]

!e
x = "FTarlusee"
print(type(x[::2]))

[royal lake]

@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

<class 'str'>

[jovial oriole]

trippy

[drowsy rose]

what is i use a base exception

[jovial oriole]

what?

[drowsy rose]

what

[jovial oriole]

!E print(type(...))

[drowsy rose]

i dont know what i just typed lmao

[royal lake]

@jovial oriole :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

<class 'ellipsis'>

[drowsy rose]

!e
print(...)

[royal lake]

@drowsy rose :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

Ellipsis

[jovial oriole]

!E print(type(type(...)))

[royal lake]

@jovial oriole :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

<class 'type'>

[jovial oriole]

there a type class?

[drowsy rose]

that's a thing????

(i meant the ellipsis)

!e

print(type(print))```

well that's boring

[royal lake]

@drowsy rose :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

<class 'builtin_function_or_method'>

[drowsy rose]

well that's less boring

[soft violet]

!e ```py
class MyClass:
pass

mc = MyClass()
print(type(mc))
print(type(MyClass))
print(type(type))```

[royal lake]

@soft violet :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | <class '__main__.MyClass'>
002 | <class 'type'>
003 | <class 'type'>

[tulip cedar]

Yes lol
It's the base of each class

[royal lake]

Missing required argument

code

[grave niche]

does all class implictly import that class?

[tulip cedar]

Yea iirc

[grave niche]

ok cool

[fickle orbit]

A little off topic but does anyone know how to pass parameters with a onclick event? Im creating the element in js

 11 | for(let i = 0; i < 10; i++){                                                                                            
 10 | | row = tableRows[i];                                                                                                   
  9 | | rowData = document.createElement('td');                                                                               
  8 | | rowData.innerHTML = ' '                                                                                               
  7 | | rowData.addEventListener("click", "add_time(`${time.getHours()}:${time.getMinutes()}`)");                             
  6 | | row.appendChild(rowData)                                                                                              
  5 | }  ```

[solid pollen]

You should be able to bind it a function that takes the event as a parameter

[tardy rain]

addEventListener takes the name of the event and then a function

you shouldnt give it a string

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/EventTarget/addEventListener#parameters

you can define your own function elsewhere in the code

const clickHanlder = (event) => {
  // do stuff with time 
  // do stuff with the event
}
...
rowData.addEventListener("click", clickHandler);

if you want to pass parameters you could

const clickHandler = (a, b) => (event) => {
  // use a or b
  // use event
}
rowData.addEventListener("click", clickHandler("hello", "world"));

this should work i believe

[rough sapphire]

Yeah, I think that should work since it returns a function

[twin gazelle]

Guys what is the low level hardware threats and vulnerabilities of the internet of things

like where can i find a link to read about

[novel warren]

which software is it?

[dapper dew]

KSP - Kerbal Space Program

[drowsy pumice]

ok so wait

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2019/12/17/apple-and-tesla-among-tech-giants-being-sued-over-the-deaths-and-injuries-of-child-cobalt-miners-in-drc/?sh=46b1c8e03107

[onyx mist]

alr

lemme read

its kind of hard to read

since there's a huge popup

which i cant seem to close

[drowsy pumice]

cross

click

[onyx mist]

i used a google account

dw

bro

i cant read it

there's no x

ngahh

[drowsy pumice]

BIG PROBLEM: 64% of cobalt supply comes from a single location: the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Apple has already begun to crack down on these horrible conditions and unethical Congo mines that are using children.

In an investigation last year, the Washington Post uncovered that many children are working in deadly conditions.

Sky News also reported that the problems in the cobalt supply chain are hazardous and include rampant child abuse, calling the cobalt from many of these mines “conflict minerals.”

As you can imagine, iPhones and Tesla cars—which source their cobalt from child slave labor—are a corporate scandal nightmare, and both of these companies are getting ahead of it.

This, of course, doesn’t solve the supply line problem; if anything, it makes it worse.

The demand for ethical cobalt mines is years away from being feasible, which is why a fast-moving company with a rolodex that spans the globe can geographically diversify quickly and has become the favorite for many mining investors, like Robert Cross.

It’s a pure play on cobalt, but in this case, the projects are known to have high-grade historical silver mineralization as well.

This is our highest-conviction idea in the cobalt sector.

src: https://www.mining.com

[onyx mist]

ty

[onyx mist]

I dont see anything about tesla there

i'll just google some articles

[stark prawn]

Cobalt is an essential part of lithium batteries.

[drowsy pumice]

As you can imagine, iPhones and Tesla cars—which source their cobalt from child slave labor—are a corporate scandal nightmare, and both of these companies are getting ahead of it.

[onyx mist]

https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-actually-use-child-labor-or-does-a-company-he-buys-from-use-it

@drowsy pumice

[drowsy pumice]

he is also amber heard's ex

[distant burrow]

fuck you OT name, I will do it.

infact, I've done it in several prod applications

and also stayed up long nights trying to figure out what the bug was

[wooden agate]

what does a bare exception mean? as in "never use a bare exception"

[stark prawn]

Exception

instead of ValueError or something specific

[distant burrow]

try:
  # do something
except:
  # aw man it failed
``` never do this

[wooden agate]

didn't even know you could do that lol

[distant burrow]

for example, if you know that at some point your code will throw a ValueError then only make it handle then

[stark prawn]

Also never use a bear exception.

[distant burrow]

elaborate

I'm still sad i didn't get to try out grotelang

One day I will rob your harddrive and find the source

[tidal bluff]

Yeah, them grizzlies aren't to be trifled with

[distant burrow]

But they're cute

[stark prawn]

That's what they want you to think.

[distant burrow]

i wanna hug it

[tidal bluff]

aww, he just needs a little scratch behind the earARRRGH

[stark prawn]

You know what they say.
If a bear is chasing you it's better to climb up in a tree than to try and outrun it.
At least then you get to enjoy the view before you die.

[tidal bluff]

lol

[distant burrow]

i've heard just pretend you're dead

i could fight a bear if i was high

as in on nicotine not on the tree

[stark prawn]

I could fight a bear as well.

[wraith hound]

fight and die?

[stark prawn]

I just couldn't win.

[tidal bluff]

Always struggled with that one. If you're being chased as a threat then I suppose that might work. If you're being chased for food... seems like playing dead is the same as laying out the buffet lol

[distant burrow]

of course

it's just me on drugs would actually contemplate fighting a bear

[distant burrow]

that's true

if it's attacking you, it probably wants to feast on you

[tidal bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-fight-kung-fu-punch-kick-gif-17355780

[distant burrow]

not just see you dead and be like, "oh nice, well then guess i'll head out"

[tidal bluff]

so, the only solution is to bring a friend you can outrun.

[stark prawn]

I love that added spin kick at the end

[tidal bluff]

hehe

[distant burrow]

i'd rather be dead man

why kill a friend

[stark prawn]

You aren't killing them, the bear is

[distant burrow]

what in the fuck

well damn

i mean

[tidal bluff]

so, be Usain Bolt and hope you only need to avoid a bear for about 4 seconds

[stark prawn]

I do know a few bears I could outrun.

[distant burrow]

i can outrun the fat dude at the mall

i'll just run by the mcdonalds

how much do mascots make

25 bands

[onyx mist]

oh so thats why he had a scar across his face

makes sense

[quartz stratus]

I outrun fat dudes chasing me with their dogs whilst collecting illegal currency, committing acts of vandalism, dodging trains and using flying skateboards. Get on my level GGEZ noob ez dubs lmao

[distant burrow]

nice

[distant burrow]

forgot to add a your mom joke

[runic wigeon]

😔

[jovial oriole]

amazing

truly based speeds

[runic wigeon]

I'm blocking you cause you hate penguins

how can you

[jovial oriole]

only certain

species

such as ostriches

[runic wigeon]

ostriches ain't penguins

[jovial oriole]

they are both flightless birds tho

so yes they are

🔫 😃

any questions?

[runic wigeon]

how does that relate to penguins

[jovial oriole]

it just does ™️

[runic wigeon]

it dosen't

[jovial oriole]

but it does ™️

[runic wigeon]

it doesn't

I SAID IT DOENS'T

[jovial oriole]

well, im gonna go read up pytorch docs now

[runic wigeon]

NO MORE ARGUMENT ON THIS

[jovial oriole]

i'll leave you to your thoughts

[runic wigeon]

lmao

cya

[viscid hemlock]

Perfect!

[tulip cedar]

They belong to the same base class

[runic wigeon]

they inherit the bird but no so bird class, yeah

but still they are very different

ostriches are no comparison to penguins

penguins are way more superior

[jovial oriole]

never use a bare exception

[tulip cedar]

No, ostrich run faster

[runic wigeon]

I thought of you as good friend, but you betrayed me

I'll remember this forever

[tulip cedar]

Muahahahaha

[muted pebble]

damn a bear

a bear will fuck you up quicker than you would like...

i don't play with bears. i got something for their ass...

i saw the revenant and have ptsd from that movie...

so no....i don't play with bears!

[tulip cedar]

Uh

@muted pebble u okay?

[muted pebble]

lol sure. someone mentioned bears. i'm just saying....

[tulip cedar]

Oh, cool. BTW just stand still if u see a bear. Never try to run away from it

If u stand still, it will go away of its own

[muted pebble]

not likely. i'm firing and putting the bear down. not playing with something that can end me in less than 60 secs...

[jaunty wraith]

only for some type of bears

[tulip cedar]

Thought all the bears were this dumb

[jaunty wraith]

there's a nice rhyme for this. lemme look it up

[muted pebble]

@tulip cedar have you seen the movie, the "Revenant" with DiCaprio?

[jaunty wraith]

Black fight back, brown get down, white good night.

[dapper dew]

There is a great line from a designer of "bear proof" trashcans saying that it is so difficult to do because there is a surprisingly large overlap between the smartest bear and the dumbest person

[tulip cedar]

wait what does tht mean

[tulip cedar]

Wait so u mean the smartest bear among all the bears is the same as the dumbest human ever?

[tulip cedar]

Nope

[dapper dew]

In regards to making a container that one can open and the other cannot, yes

[tulip cedar]

O

[muted pebble]

it's a great movie. watch it

[tulip cedar]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[muted pebble]

lol

[tulip cedar]

Wait, isn't it a character name in Apex Legends too?

[muted pebble]

idk about that

[tulip cedar]

Yea it is

[muted pebble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmft3nrsaxs put some metal in your life!

hailing from Richmond, Virginia no less...

[nova dragon]

Can this be a place where I tell the story of how I flipped off a possible pedophile video taping everyone around me at my school

[rough sapphire]

Hiya guys

Rip arrived

[tulip cedar]

Hi

[rough sapphire]

Hru

[rough sapphire]

Come to ot 0

[tulip cedar]

Sure

[plucky ridge]

Name a great game on Nintendo Switch that isn't from Nintendo

Go

Do it

Now

[carmine apex]

for free online, but still pretty good
https://www.nintendo.com/en-us/store/products/a-dark-room-switch/

[plucky ridge]

Oh wow, I remember playing through this one completely online, yeah

Classic incremental game

I wonder if they added content in this version...

[carmine apex]

i know they had to reupload it cause it originally had a ruby interpreter

[plucky ridge]

Huh

That's.... an odd choice for it to have in the first place

Considering I think it was entirely JS originally

[carmine apex]

ruby, it turns out, not lua:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/05/game-with-hidden-ruby-interpreter-pulled-from-nintendo-switch-eshop/

[plucky ridge]

Oh huh, that does actually ring a bell

Understandable that Nintendo put the kibosh on that

That could have resulted in something either nasty or a good ol' fashioned data dump

[rough sapphire]

LoG got some bangers ngl

[solid pollen]

it is too bad they removed it, it could have been used for jailbreaks

[distant burrow]

L

[pine leaf]

sup

[onyx mist]

hello there

general kenobi

my dog stepped on a bee

you turned her against me

if you are not with me, then you are my enemy

[granite crypt]

>+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.[-]
>++++++++[<++++>-] <.>+++++++++++[<++++++++>-]<-.--------.+++
.------.--------.[-]>++++++++[<++++>- ]<+.[-]+++++++++.

someone help my brainfuck code isn't working :(

[onyx mist]

lmao

[muted pebble]

divinity: original sin 2

[jovial oriole]

brainfuck 😬

[rough sapphire]

[verbal wind]

hi

[jovial patrol]

Okay bro do you have any code to help me for that project

[jovial oriole]

out of context PLUS guess the channel

[mild abyss]

wtf

[runic wigeon]

what lmao

[plucky ridge]

Has anyone encountered this library before? https://ppb.dev/

I'd never heard of it until now. Was messing around with BeeWare and it was mentioned on the list of GUI libraries

[runic wigeon]

I've probably seen this before

idr really tbh

[plucky ridge]

I've heard of Ursina but this seems to be a separate project

[gaunt basalt]

@rough sapphire

[autumn quarry]

Hello, well I am almost a noob at py and I learnt some basics one year back I even forgot them, so I am thinking abt relearning them.
Can anyone recommend me some good resources, like i have heard abt "learn python" and "w3schools" I wanna learn intermediate level too.

[low chasm]

!resources is a good place to start

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[low chasm]

theres better alternatives to w3schools

[autumn quarry]

I see thanks a lot

Alright

[uneven pine]

Pro gamer tip don't use w3schools for anything

[gritty zinc]

ah yes, local wolfgirl's hot tip

[uneven pine]

Owo?

[young shoal]

the classic assume == always gives a bool 😩

[uneven pine]

I was ghost pinged -.-

Deleting the message doesn't delete the notification, whoever sent that

[young shoal]

why is docker desktop eating all my ram 😔. i'm not even running any containers 😔

[topaz aurora]

🅱️ocker 🅱️esktop

[last mantle]

Vmmem issue

check the gh issue related to Vmmem

[young shoal]

who thought that was a good idea

[last mantle]

hm

[mild abyss]

keep succking public static void's ram docker

[jovial oriole]

.bm 982211244587122728

[jovial oriole]

🇵ocker 🇵eskto🇵

[rough sapphire]

help everyone

[tulip cedar]

With?

[rough sapphire]

i meant to say hello

[tulip cedar]

Oh haha, hello there

[young shoal]

i limited it to 2 gb

[verbal wind]

anyone here have a favorite music video

[young shoal]

feel my rhythm

[verbal wind]

cool, would you like to see what it looks like when i process it with my python app

[young shoal]

sure

[verbal wind]

ok one sec

it is rendering

@young shoal sorry, ran out of ram on the last ~200 frames lmao

one second, i'm scaling the resolution down a bit

[young shoal]

😔

[verbal wind]

rendering now

i'll have to upload vid too long to post on discord

[young shoal]

or you can do like 3 seconds of it or something

[verbal wind]

yea i will

[wraith ledge]

Feels like I am staring at a birck wall trying to get this task complete.

[verbal wind]

@young shoal it may not look special - but it's rendered in the terminal with no gui

[acoustic moss]

nice

[verbal wind]

thanks

[acoustic moss]

thanks discord

[young shoal]

neat

[verbal wind]

yea so i can't see my own videos either, but i can see others. i'm on browser. weird

[acoustic moss]

might be the large file size

idk

[verbal wind]

first video on youtube, eh? that's sweet. i see you're using half blocks?

[acoustic moss]

yup

[verbal wind]

is it climage or a personal project?

https://www.veed.io/view/858a3f3b-0445-4f48-b506-68309c75bf9c <-- this might render, same vid i potsed

[acoustic moss]

personal project

whats climage

i downloaded your video to watch it lol

v cool

[verbal wind]

https://github.com/pnappa/CLImage

oh ok

i only found out about climage after writing mine, even though i spent a long time beforehand searching for existing libraries

they support half block characters, but right now i'm only on linux so i'm mostly using ansi styled terminals

[acoustic moss]

salt-die is our resident tui expert

https://github.com/salt-die/nurses_2

[verbal wind]

yes! i was speaking with salt

he showed me this

about a week ago

it's the 3d rendering yea

[young shoal]

?

[dim solstice]

it's a bot

ai powered generation of messages

[young shoal]

ok?

[woven rain]

aaaa going to shoot myself

why is everything done manually in this excel spreadsheet

i reached a point in the query where there is a pile of 25 conditionals

it /should/ just be a csv at this point and a merge is performed

[tulip cedar]

Lol

[rough sapphire]

Hello

[verbal wind]

hi

[runic wigeon]

Lol

[tulip cedar]

Hi

[solemn leaf]

how dead

[jovial oriole]

this channel taken?

nope, no convo

[rough sapphire]

fire away

this isn't a help channel, so it can't be claimed :P

yep, this is off-topic

[jovial oriole]

sharing open source projects doesn't count as advertising, right?

[rough sapphire]

I believe it does

[jovial oriole]

kek

[rough sapphire]

you're advertising a project, doesn't matter if it's open source or not

[jovial oriole]

damn

[rough sapphire]

You should ask the mods

[jovial oriole]

okay imma confirm

[rough sapphire]

I don't know

You can mark them if you want, i believe. Some of them lurk the off-topics sometimes

[acoustic moss]

as long as its not like "please star this project" go ahead

[jovial oriole]

https://github.com/HRLO77/CLImail

after a very long googling session

i finally found out how to attach payloads with names

that's it

my flight is in 2-3 days and im going to be losing sleep over it

enjoy

[small coral]

hey this was cypheriel's ot name

[jovial oriole]

it was?

[small coral]

ye

iirc

[jovial oriole]

and this apparently exists https://choosealicense.com/

[noble raptor]

i need to put this somewhere

[rough sapphire]

@long wolf

Additional things to note. Tried deleting the character in memory to ensure it wasn't pulling the data from memory rather than pickle. Still did the same thing. Additionally, ran it in the symbolic debugger. When loading, the character only exists in memory after it is pickled in the attributes function. So it is definitely pulling data from the file. Still only shows the dict values when the script isnt restarted after a download
if you saw an object with the correct values in it, that would mean that you created another one with zeros and switched them

[brazen ingot]

At first areyou getting x^3 + y^3 = 12xy?

In second you might be getting x+y as 3xy?

Isn't that crazy? two simultaneous equations easier to get solved now.

Is that what you did?

[carmine apex]

.latex $x=\frac{3y}{y-3}$

[brazen ingot]

Eh

[carmine apex]

.latex $\frac{9y^2}{(y-3)^2} + \frac{y^2 - 3y}{3} = 12$

[brazen ingot]

Ohk

[carmine apex]

i changed the 1/x + 1/y = 1/3 to get the first equation there, and then inserted it into the x^2/y one, but then i got stuck

and i may have simplified incorrectly, but dunno

[brazen ingot]

But does your answer fits in?

[carmine apex]

6 fits into the first equation as (18 / 3) is 6

[brazen ingot]

I am not sure, but x and y should be disntict 😛

[brazen ingot]

but are there any distinct solutions?

[carmine apex]

wolfram alpha shows 3 solutions, and (6, 6) is one of them

[brazen ingot]

Anyways did you give this a try?

[carmine apex]

this is incorrect 😭 , y=6 gives 42 instead of 12. curses

[brazen ingot]

Lmao.

Now I feel that school algebra was fun 😔

[graceful basin]

this one is easier it feels

[brazen ingot]

Yep did it

Gn everyone'

[turbid plaza]

This isnt python but ive made a express server with nodejs
so i have

app.get('/emaillist', function (req,res) {
        res.send(received_links)
    });

as one of my routes in server.js but when i do

r = requests.get(f"{url}/emaillist")
print(r.status_code)

it doesnt do anything and waits until i turn the server off to throw the error

requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response'))

anyone know why this is happening?

[runic wigeon]

Night

[brazen ingot]

@runic wigeon mornin

[low chasm]

My otn 👀

[tulip cedar]

@low chasm never knew u do this also 👀

[median dome]

You're bad at computers.

Your input was invalid: query is a required argument that is missing.

Usage:```
.latex <query>

Command Help

**```
.latex <query>

*Renders the text in latex and sends the image.*

[jovial oriole]

aboo mops meat

[jovial oriole]

hey! where's my otn!

!otn HRLO-doesn't-get-an-otn

[rough sapphire]

.latex 1+1

[rough sapphire]

.latex hi

[tidal bluff]

@rough sapphire It's less disruptive if you test the bots in #bot-commands 🙂

[faint storm]

This is Ade :d

[uneven pine]

!ok

[rough sapphire]

Yeah sorry

[clear plume]

rewrite both of the log statements to make x the subject, put x into the x^y = 5^12, and rewrite so that y is the subject

[brazen ingot]

I solved it thanks!

@clear plume Would you mind helping me with this?

[clear plume]

Rewrite 3^x and 5^y as logarithms

[brazen ingot]

alright

What should equate it with?

[clear plume]

Once you have those, subtract, and get the square root

And that equals z

[brazen ingot]

yep

[clear plume]

Wtf why did it delete

Ok whatever

Yeah sorry I'm not too sure about this one

[brazen ingot]

Np

[gritty zinc]

that's probably a number theory one

you're probably supposed to take modulo something and reveal some relation

[acoustic moss]

number theory my beloved

where problems take either 4 minutes or 400 years to solve

[gritty zinc]

e.g. modulo 3 we have 2^y = z^2, I think?

which means y is even and z is a power of 2

[acoustic moss]

all perfect squares are congruent to either 0 or 1 mod 3, and 2^y can't be a multiple of 3 so 2^y = z^2 = 1 mod 3

[acoustic moss]

wait what happened to the minus here

[gritty zinc]

uhh

[brazen ingot]

🥴

@gritty zinc @acoustic moss How does taking mod help?

I've realized that everytime solving the question doesn't work, I have to guess solutions!

x,y,z = 2,1,2

[acoustic moss]

lol

[brazen ingot]

concept seems pretty intuitive.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gritty zinc]

that's very often how you solve diaphantine equations

you take mod something and half the terms vanish or something

[pseudo pike]

I am installing manjaro on my main pc. Dual boot manjaro and win 10. For 16gb ran now mutch swap do I need?

[uneven pine]

Technically you need none, I usually do the equivalent of my RAM, you should avoid anything arch based if you're not familiar with Linux though

And considering you don't know what to use for swap, I'm going to adding you're not familiar with Linux.

[pseudo pike]

What's that?

[uneven pine]

It's exactly what it says it is

I recommend using something that's more beginner friendly such as Ubuntu or Elementary

You are not going to have an easy nor good experience when using something arch based

The whole system is going to expect you to know what you're doing in all cases, and know how to troubleshoot and fix issues when they (regularly, due to the unstable nature of arch and it's derivatives) come up

[pseudo pike]

I go with the best. Arch is the best.

Better to learn the best from the beginning

[uneven pine]

Arch is nowhere near the best

Whoever told you that has no idea what they're talking about

Well unless you mean the best at making you fix broken things constantly

[uneven pine]

There is no one "best" distro either

[uneven pine]

There are many for different purposes

[pseudo pike]

All my friends that use Linux uses arch

So I go with arch too.

[uneven pine]

If all your friends jumped off a bridge would you do it too?

Also, go ask them to help you then

[pseudo pike]

Can you just help me instead?

[uneven pine]

I will help you to the extent that should be expected of the relevant system. I will not play advocate to getting someone in over their heads.

[pseudo pike]

The reason why I went with manjaro

is because everywhere I read they said manjaro is really good

and just like with coding

the best way to learn is to jump into the middle

not into tutorial hell

and unlike you someone actually helped me out

thank you @next vessel

for actually helping me

[distant hazel]

ok

you can stop, i'm glad you got the help you wanted

no one is obliged to help anyone

[pseudo pike]

Okay mr admin chill. I was just having a conversation

I didnt mean actually picking on him im just tired

[uneven pine]

... Him?

[distant hazel]

fyi neither of us are "mr" or "him"

[pseudo pike]

Broken english.

But basically what im trying to say is that im sorry I did not mean to be mean with him

[distant hazel]

lol, i understood, just please don't refer to either of us as "him"

the correct word is "her," in this case

[pseudo pike]

Well I'm sorry about that. It is a language barrier in my brain. In hungarian there is no she or he there is only it and my brain decided that "he" is "it" in english.

Trying to lose that but it is hard since I do it like this for 10+ years since I know english.

[distant hazel]

np

[pseudo pike]

Anyway I promisse to handle myself next time. I was just mad and tired.

[distant hazel]

you can always ask for help here

just be understanding if you don't get it

[pseudo pike]

I am like that 99% of the time. IDK why I was like that this time.

[uneven pine]

I also didn't carry myself at the highest standard either. I'm at work and already not in a good mood.

But I did also provide advice, though it was contrary to what you wanted to hear.

I apologize for the frustration

[distant hazel]

🤩

[rough sapphire]

great to see a problem resolved peacefully

my humanity has been restored

[mossy mango]

your humanity or faith in humanity? 😄

[rough sapphire]

Both

[mossy mango]

cool haha

[uneven pine]

It's a dark souls reference

Humanity restored

You're no longer hollow

[junior star]

Hi guys

I need help in my python project

[rough sapphire]

how can we help

[junior star]

In making tic tic toe

Tic tac toe

[junior star]

In making tic tac toe

[tidal bluff]

Probably better with your own help channel for this: #❓｜how-to-get-help

@junior star

[scarlet lava]

omggggggggggggggggggg

[jovial oriole]

?

[lunar shore]

is it true that ddg has been doing some unprivate stuff recently?

[viscid hemlock]

You could use "they" and "them" if you don't really want to think about it!

99% of the time people don't notice and when they do (1%) they are cool with it 99% of the time from my experience

[tidal bluff]

Something to do with their browser and a deal with MS.

Apparently using the DDG search engine is still completely private.

But kinda two-faced if you ask me. Though I will disclaimer with I don't recall all the specifics 😄

[lunar shore]

Well, I doubt MS is the only one yk

maybe for now, but that's the first sign of a non-private search engine

but still idc about privacy anyway and I use google lmao

[uneven pine]

DDG has never given me an accurate search result anyway

Plus it takes 15 minutes to type compared to every other modern search engine

But I literally get better results from bing

And Bing doesn't give me very good results lol

[jaunty wraith]

DDG uses Bing IIRC

wdym it takes longer to type?

[uneven pine]

Typing duckduckgo is waaaaay longer than google, Bing, yahoo, etc

[tardy rain]

ddg?

never mind, some rapper dude is first result

[lunar shore]

indeed

[muted pebble]

https://duckduckgo.com/bang

[wraith hound]

I use ddg purely for the bangs

!python is so much nicer than going to google and filtering out programiz and g4g and w3schools

[muted pebble]

Yeah the bangs are very neat

[wraith hound]

and you can always do !g ... if you want google, which is like 3 characters

[rough sapphire]

Honestly, same

I have some redirect rule so that I can also use bangs like !ddg … in Google if I have to

[uneven pine]

I achieve this with search aliases directly in my browser

[graceful basin]

I have given a serious shot to duckduckgo, but the results are just useless.

[wraith hound]

(basically I never actually use ddg search, I just have it set as my default search engine for the bangs which already exist with no effort)

[rough sapphire]

But yeah, I agree that DDG results can be quite crappy

[lunar shore]

trueee!

btw guys is brave nightly too buggy? or is it okay?

what about beta if nightly is too buggy?

[jaunty wraith]

ddg.gg

[mystic escarp]

Yo does anyone know how to fix a file with a grey cross on the bottom left ?

[tulip cedar]

Never knew there was a Brave beta too

[uneven pine]

well still doesn't make the results good ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven pine]

You should avoid brave with their cryptospyware

They lure people in with promises of "privacy" while somehow managing to be more shady than the others

[jaunty wraith]

true true

[lunar shore]

disabling rewards from the settings and the search bar and the new tab page is sufficient. No forced ads from brave, and I don't care about spyware since I'd be followed with any chromium browser which works fine. Plus brave is much faster than Chrome and Edge from my experience, which proves useful to me

Why not firefox you ask? Simply because of the bugs and problems. Say all you want, google is making firefox lag or not load some websites, etc. . I just want a working and fast browser

for the "followed by any chromium browser", there's Edge and microsoft, there's Chrome and Google, and Brave, well, Brave company.

[uneven pine]

firefox is awful

I'd rather use IE9 than firefox Cake W

[lunar shore]

there are too many problems in firefox

I couldn't handle it

[uneven pine]

Edge has been the most efficient, fast, and reliable browser for me

I used to use Vivaldi but once edge went chromium I tried it out nad haven't went back

[lunar shore]

Vivaldi is too slow

[uneven pine]

plus the Sync actually works unlike every other chromium variant I've tried

can actually sync things between my android phone, ipad, windows desktop, and linux laptop

[lunar shore]

+1 for this honestly, lmao

[muted pebble]

I use Vivaldi everyday so I don't know how you figure it's slow...

[uneven pine]

who would've thought that Microsoft would be the ones to unite the platforms :^)

My entire workspace is tailored to be 100% cross platform, and the ONLY way that's possible is by using Microsoft products for everything

thanks to Satya Nadella doing a 180 for the company and embracing open-source

[lunar shore]

I was talking relatively. Could you compare brave/edge 's speed and vivaldi's in 1 - Loading websites
2 - The application startup itself
3 - UI interaction
?

[uneven pine]

Yeah, vivaldi is painfully slow compared to Edge, that's the main reason I switched off it

page load times upwards of a second when Edge is 1/4 that

[lunar shore]

yea exactly

vivaldi is slow af

[uneven pine]

But my workspace is
MS Edge
VS Code
Powershell 7

[lunar shore]

but doesn't mean no-one should use it. Pretty customizable if you don't mind speed that much

[uneven pine]

all of which work on Windows, MacOS, and Linux

no other shell works across all platforms that I've found

powershell is a bit weird, but once you get used to it, nothing wrong with it at all

(specifically powershell 7, not the older versions)

[lunar shore]

Programming for me is mostly Linux (VSCode + Alacritty + Brave)
But for Windows, I'll just use the same honestly but sometimes if it's quick project instead of Alacritty I go for normal CMD

[mild abyss]

oh my

[lunar shore]

heyyy what's up

[mild abyss]

so brave

so firefox

[uneven pine]

I rarely actually have to touch anything on Linux these days

my laptop is pretty much too old and broken to be usable

[mild abyss]

trying to fit data manually because pain

[lunar shore]

doing ML work? nice

[mild abyss]

oh simulation done. imma go back zzz

[lunar shore]

o

[uneven pine]

I have a terminal set up on a NUC but that mostly runs some local server-type stuff for me and I don't actually interact with it past occasionally sending some SSH commands

[lunar shore]

ah

[mild abyss]

i am scramming right now because i forgot to add maths to fit the model

[lunar shore]

I mean I mostly play games nowadays so I'm just using windows

[mild abyss]

:pensivebread:

[lunar shore]

ah rip

[uneven pine]

Linux is awful for desktop use, I'm glad I finally overcame my teenage linidiot brainwashing

[lunar shore]

yea it's not even close to windows

for desktop use

[muted pebble]

do you work for microsoft? lol

[uneven pine]

No, but I'd love to.

[mild abyss]

i dont use any desktop env that much because pain

[muted pebble]

i can tell :-p

[uneven pine]

Once I build my portfolio a bit I will actually be putting in an application to them.

They've become the savior of the open-source world

[mild abyss]

im using twms because i dont expect much from it because of their simplicity plus i like to use keyboard anyway

[muted pebble]

ok.......

[uneven pine]

!ok

if you think otherwise you're literally blind

look what MS has done for Python for example

[tardy rain]

can they hire me too

im ready for my giga paycheck

[uneven pine]

we don't talk about typescript

[lunar shore]

extension setup, done!

[uneven pine]

but yes, true they have made javascript at least partially usable

vimium

oh dear god

[lunar shore]

Being fast is fun

[mild abyss]

ah fuck Pluto crashed for weird reasons

[lunar shore]

what's the problem with it

[mild abyss]

oh wrong reply

[lunar shore]

lol

[mild abyss]

:flonshed:

[uneven pine]

vim is awful cake w

[lunar shore]

opinions

[graceful basin]

vim keybinds are quite nice though

[lunar shore]

I love the keybindings

[graceful basin]

kakoune did it better, but kakoune also barely exists as a real editor

[uneven pine]

Takes a certain type of person to actually like vim bindings

either that or someone who grew up with them

[lunar shore]

not if you're used to it

[graceful basin]

I don't like pressing multiple keys at once

[mild abyss]

preference fights momsnt

[graceful basin]

which is why vim keybinds > normal keybinds

[uneven pine]

that's literally what I said the very next message

Cake W

[lunar shore]

okay

[mild abyss]

kiekie

[lunar shore]

The thing i love about vimium is I don't have to touch my mouse so that's good

it opens links, controls movements, plus you can disable it for certain sites

[uneven pine]

I don't get the mouse-free mindset but to each their own

There are certain things that I can beat a vim user in terms of speed 100% of the time

[lunar shore]

Doesn't mean it's bad

[uneven pine]

and I run into those situations more often than even I would figure

[lunar shore]

Vim gives enough speed even knowing very few keybindings

and as I mentioned earlier, o p i n i o n s

[uneven pine]

I actually highly disagree with that

I spent two weeks using exclusively vim for all my text editing

At the end of the two weeks I was not even at 25% of my editing speed with VS Code

[lunar shore]

VSCode + Vim

[uneven pine]

defeats the purpose of using a better editor

[graceful basin]

VSCode has some nice keybinds, yeah

[lunar shore]

Vim is not supposed to be the best editor, but the addons/plugins are literally everywhere

so that makes it nice

[uneven pine]

comparatively using Emacs at the end of two weeks I was at least as fast as VS Code

[uneven pine]

same for VS Code, Sublime, etc etc etc

[graceful basin]

yeah, using modifier keys is generally faster than just keychords

[lunar shore]

Emacs' keybindings are awful by default

[uneven pine]

Emacs are pretty okay

[lunar shore]

and I dont like configurations

[uneven pine]

as long as you don't use something arcane like spacemacs

[lunar shore]

slowly destroys my pinky

[uneven pine]

if you don't have a thousand line vim config, vim is basically unusable for actual code editing

[lunar shore]

most of them have like some sort of control key in them

naaah

[uneven pine]

that means you're literally typing wrong lol

if you're hurting yourself by pressing anything, you're typing wrong

[graceful basin]

emacs pinky is a fairly well documented phenomenon tbf

[lunar shore]

Or maybe emacs uses control with the further letter keys

[uneven pine]

and if you're straining to press those, you are not holding your wrists in the correct position

or perhaps are using an elevated keyboard without a wrist rest

[lunar shore]

mine was like 20, works pretty good

(in that 20 there were plugins installed)

[lunar shore]

I'm using a laptop without an external keyboard

just a normal, average, keyboard

[uneven pine]

Ah yeah, that'll do it

laptops will kill your wrists

[graceful basin]

emacs doesn't suck if you use a good keyboard, but most keyboards are shit

[lunar shore]

At least with vim most useful keybindings are single-letter ones

[uneven pine]

the thing with emacs is, just like vim, you have to make your own config for it

[mild abyss]

what are keyboards? use telekinesis

[uneven pine]

you cannot reasonably use someone else's config

[lunar shore]

Default vim is much more solid than Default emacs then

[uneven pine]

hard disagree

[lunar shore]

e y e t r a c k e r + virtual keyboard

[lunar shore]

always has been

[uneven pine]

took 30 minutes to learn Emacs basic bindings

took 2 weeks and I still had to google something about vim every other line I wrote

doom emacs is not great

lot of broken stuff

lot of weird choices

[mild abyss]

oh my

[graceful basin]

can confirm, did use doom emacs

[mild abyss]

nope

[lunar shore]

the only non-acronym keybindings in vim are h j k l which are far more accessible than some of Emacs' default ones

[graceful basin]

default navigation in emacs is a joke, yeah

[uneven pine]

when you try to change anything from default in doom emacs the whole thing falls apart instantly

[lunar shore]

I have used normal emacs, doom emacs, spacemacs, none of them did the one thing right

[uneven pine]

The best predefined emacs config I found was centaur emacs

spacemacs is the dumbest thing I ever saw

really an awful config

[lunar shore]

yea didn't like it either

[uneven pine]

Centaur was pretty okay, but I ended up just writing my own to get rid of some of its choices

specifically I wrote my own system to load and unload language support modularly

https://github.com/CodeBizarre/awoo-emacs

[lunar shore]

Doom emacs was about to be my main editor until I saw some bugs

[mild abyss]

i use my own emacs config zzz cause what would i do with 40+ plugins i wont use anyway

[lunar shore]

oh and emacs has a lot of useless stuff

what's the doctor lol

or tetris in emacs? bruh

I don't even play tetris

[uneven pine]

who gives a flying fuck

it's not like it slows it down

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mild abyss]

my emacs config is just for julia and org mode nothing more xD

[lunar shore]

that's bloat I guess!

[graceful basin]

what I do like about emacs is that it has a GUI

[uneven pine]

emacs is still just as fast as vim

[graceful basin]

whereas vim just lives in your terminal like a fool

[uneven pine]

if you're using emacs in a GUI you're doing it W R O N G

[lunar shore]

but it can be used in any other editor too

[uneven pine]

you shouldn't be touching terminal editors if you have access to a GUI/mouse

[lunar shore]

Well, the keybindings and config at least

[graceful basin]

sure, I do use vim keybinds in most editors

[lunar shore]

but for vscode there is nvim plugin which is literally an embedded nvim inside vscode

[graceful basin]

even if only to be able to use multiple editors without relearning how to select a paragraph

[lunar shore]

or firenvim which is literally neovim on textboxes in the browser

[graceful basin]

I broke that nvim plugin in like... 10 seconds of usage

[lunar shore]

that's why I use VSCode + Vim

[lunar shore]

lmao

[graceful basin]

cursors desynced instantly

[lunar shore]

yea I used it once and just left it

[mild abyss]

that sucks

[lunar shore]

But the Vim plugin is alright

[uneven pine]

almost like embedding a text editor in another text editor is a bad idea

[lunar shore]

the neovim is kinda janky

[mild abyss]

for me im just a wanderer. i use different editors when i feel like it.

[graceful basin]

yeah, it's not amazing design by any stretch of the imagination

[lunar shore]

yea the neovim plugin is not even good

[mild abyss]

depends. so far my config is fine :)

[uneven pine]

One thing I will submit that vim has over emacs

[graceful basin]

I quite liked lunarVIM recently though

[uneven pine]

vimscript, although a DSL, is a trillion times better than fucking LISP

[lunar shore]

that's good then, it works for you

[uneven pine]

LISP is the worst design for a language I've ever seen

[graceful basin]

hard disagree

elisp is great

[uneven pine]

I'd literally rather write JavaShit than LISP

[lunar shore]

LISP is actually good

[uneven pine]

I cannot focus because of the horrific perenthesis

[graceful basin]

that just takes practice

[uneven pine]

I have to write them in an almost C#-style just to be able to see it

[graceful basin]

you have to get used to reading it

[uneven pine]

(let ((loaded (mapcar #'car load-history)))
    (dolist (file (directory-files (format "%s/languages" awoo-dir) t ".+\\.elc?$"))
        (unless (catch 'issue
            (dolist (done  loaded) (when (equal file done) (throw 'issue t)))
            nil
            )
        (load (file-name-sans-extension file))
        (push file loaded)
        )
    )
)

and it's still hard to follow for me

but it's way better than looking at other people's lisp

[graceful basin]

the problem with lisp is more that all good tooling for lisp is emacs, and emacs tooling for lisp sucks

[lunar shore]

I usually just take a look at the whole line at first, then start from the inner parenthesis lol

it's just different

[uneven pine]

The problem with lisp is more than there is no good tooling for lisp. FTFY

[lunar shore]

not bad

[uneven pine]

and that lisp's syntax is awful

[graceful basin]

lisp syntax is nice once you get used to it

[uneven pine]

JavaScript is more readable

[graceful basin]

the problem is that it is not text

[uneven pine]

I used it nonstop for 2 weeks and it didn't get better

[graceful basin]

yeah, it takes longer than that

[uneven pine]

If I can't understand someone else's code after using a language for 2 weeks constantly, it's a bad language

I picked up x86_64 assembly faster

[graceful basin]

it is very different and uses a different set of keybinds than text editing

since again, lisp code is not text

it is sexprs

[uneven pine]

which is an even better reason to call it garbage

there's no place for lisp in any world

[lunar shore]

seems like you haven't gotten into different languages yet

[mild abyss]

i understood lisps faster for weird reasons

[uneven pine]

I've been into many many languages

[graceful basin]

it gives you great things, such as actually good metaprogramming

[lunar shore]

Most languages have the same sort of syntax

[uneven pine]

Python, Rust, C#, C++, multiple Assembly dialects, Elixir, Haskell

[graceful basin]

man, you are missing out

[uneven pine]

Anything more arcane than that? It's not worth using

[lunar shore]

yep the only different thing in there is Haskell

[uneven pine]

and haskell isn't that different

the community is horrible though

[lunar shore]

Well except it is conceptually

[uneven pine]

It's just purely functional

which takes all of 5 minutes to wrap your head around

[lunar shore]

purely functional is kind of a lie, but can be super close

[uneven pine]

I'd honestly say that Elixir is a bit more weird than it tbh

[graceful basin]

yeah, elixir is quite wild

[lunar shore]

haven't even seen elixir

[mild abyss]

why learn a programming language when u can learn assembly

[graceful basin]

but all of them are fairly normal in comparison to lisp, smalltalk and languages of that tradition

[uneven pine]

Elixir is built on Erlang

[mild abyss]

😔

[uneven pine]

Thing is, I actually liked Elixir a LOT more than I liked Haskell, but it has a fatal flaw

[graceful basin]

back when runtimes mattered for more than performance

[uneven pine]

it's basically impossible to build usable binaries on Windows

[graceful basin]

elixir moment

[uneven pine]

it's doable but no one will help you, the documentation is sparse, and half the time even if it "works" it doesn't work

[graceful basin]

really can see the ruby influence there

[lunar shore]

it's kinda hard to program haskell on windows too

[uneven pine]

Elixir is a very linidiot & THF community

[lunar shore]

a ton of the libraries are made for linux

[graceful basin]

eh, ghcup now works on windows

so it's mostly fine

[uneven pine]

I didn't have that experience

[lunar shore]

it does?

[uneven pine]

Nothing held me up on Haskell

I wrote an embedded webserver in Haskell that compiles to a single binary and goes with another application

worked perfectly

[graceful basin]

haskell is still a pain because you need msys2 to dev

[lunar shore]

ah see

[uneven pine]

In fact, it was actualyl far easier to get a usable binary on Haskell than it nis on Python

[graceful basin]

but in terms of building, it's quite simple

[lunar shore]

that's kind of annoying

[uneven pine]

the dev setup actually includes its own though

[graceful basin]

ghcup and all hsplatform installers will install it

[uneven pine]

you don't even have to think about it

[lunar shore]

damn

[graceful basin]

I did have to think about it when it put gcc on my PATH lmao

it wasn't even up to date gcc

[wraith hound]

because inconsistencies across platforms

[lunar shore]

damn

[wraith hound]

just learn to handwrite LLVM IR or smth

[graceful basin]

but yeah, haskell is nice in terms of tooling

[mild abyss]

hehe i plan to fiddle with llvm ir

[lunar shore]

there's a ton of things you can do in less than 200 lines in Haskell without a library too

maybe even 80 if you remove all the whitespace lol

I love that part of it

[graceful basin]

you would love prolog then

[lunar shore]

oo

[graceful basin]

if a problem works well in prolog, it's going to be like half to a tenth the size in a more conventional programming language

[lunar shore]

wow

[mild abyss]

ah fuck this simulation eatinf 80% of my ram

😔

[lunar shore]

damn

[mild abyss]

now u know why i stick to TUI

🥴

[lunar shore]

lol

[mild abyss]

also TUI is convenient anyway

i use GUI stuff for productivity stuff

[uneven pine]

the annoying thing for me is now that I've dumped haskell, I need to replace it with another language

I need something that will work reasonably on all 3 major platforms, at a higher level, and be able to reasonably build single binaries

Haskell really nicely fit into that niche

[graceful basin]

Vlang

or C#

[uneven pine]

y'know I always forget that C# is cross platform now

but it does still suffer the issue of many libraries are written to work specifically with windows does it not?

[graceful basin]

well, GUI is windows specific

[uneven pine]

vlang looks nice

but how much support does it have?

[graceful basin]

no idea, it is a very controversial language, but I have seen some fairly impressive projects out of V

someone wrote a kernel which ran gnu userspace for example

[uneven pine]

controversy I'd like to stay away from tbh

[graceful basin]

it's mostly died down by now

V is just a lot less impressive than what was promised

idk what the library ecosystem is like though

haxe may actually be of interest, though it's mostly gamedev-focused

[uneven pine]

Yeah that's the thing I don't want to spend my time writing libraries

Oh haxe, I looked into that years ago

it's just ActionScript ripped out of Flash

[graceful basin]

pretty much

it's quite nice

you get pattern matching and GADTs for some reason

with native image, java is actually a fairly interesting option, but you have to wade through a lot of tooling to get anywhere, it is a lot harder to get a java project up than like.. rust or julia

[mild abyss]

yes. creator of odin also criticized it but idk about the state of vlang now. 2020-2021 was a rough ride for V

[uneven pine]

Java is a no go with the Oracle issues

[graceful basin]

fair enough

[uneven pine]

I already have to deal with it for some stuff I do with Minecraft and flight sim

[graceful basin]

odin has no libraries more or less, but does have one of the best stdlibs out there

bindings to just about everything

but it is fairly low level

[uneven pine]

I have to have accessible on my system both Java 8 and OpenJDK 15 constantly because old software doesn't work on 15+ and new software doesn't work on 8

it's annoying as hell

I'd preferably be using something higher level to save myself some time, If I were going to use low level I'd just use Rust or C++ since I already know them. But there'sa lot of ceremony to doing simple stuff with a systems language

[wraith hound]

One thing that bothers me about V is that the V team completely blocked someone who was criticizing the language in a blog post (and like, it was all valid criticism, and it wasn't presented hatefully)

[uneven pine]

Ideally I could just package a Python project as an executable, but we do not live ina n ideal world

PyInstaller technically works but requires hacks on top of hacks to actually work as intended

[graceful basin]

Dlang I also heard great things about, it is a fairly mature project with a mediocre library ecosystem

one of the coolest type systems out there

[uneven pine]

Nuitka is an amazing compiler but requires you have python 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 3.0 3.1 3.2 ... all the way up through 3.10 installed all alongside each other

to compile mostly anything

[graceful basin]

wonder if crystal got ported to windows yet

no

but at least it exists now

[uneven pine]

If Go didn't have such horrible syntax I think it would be a good contender

I know it's lost speed these days

[graceful basin]

yeah, go is nice in this regard

but the language itself is... misguided

I do have to praise google for trying

[uneven pine]

also the imports make me want to squish something soft and fluffy

[graceful basin]

even if we all thought it impossible, now we know for sure

[uneven pine]

import (
        "bytes"
        "fmt"
        "math/rand"
        "time"
)

who thought this was good syntax

what moron

I think I'm just honestly "out of luck"

Haskell was pretty much the only language that fit the niche of what I wanted to use it for

[graceful basin]

well, you want javascript

[young shoal]

i mean, the syntax is not that bad

[graceful basin]

but you hate javascript

[uneven pine]

JavaScript only runs on the browser though

[graceful basin]

nope

[uneven pine]

NODE doesn't count

[young shoal]

lol what

[graceful basin]

javascript has excellent ecosystem for building native binaries of it

[uneven pine]

seriously though, you are right

[graceful basin]

better than python by a mile

[uneven pine]

JavaScript would be perfect it if were a sane language

but if a ====================== b {} and 1 == "1" =============== true are just

I refuse to use that

typescript partially un-fucks it but

[graceful basin]

you could try nim. It is reasonably nice, though it has its oddities

[uneven pine]

isn't nim a systems language still?

[mild abyss]

you saw that locked github issue from odin creator right?

anyway yeah

[graceful basin]

nim has a GC, runtime, and exceptions

[mild abyss]

also time for me to sleep

[graceful basin]

I would argue it is as high level as it makes sense to be

[uneven pine]

hm interesting

[graceful basin]

even single dynamic dispatch

[uneven pine]

that piques my interest then

I saw it advertised as a systems language and just ignored it since I have Rust for that

expected it to be very low level

[wraith hound]

no i don't know anything about odin

[acoustic moss]

what do you think about rust

[wraith hound]

I've been intending to try a ton of languages with fancy type system features

[uneven pine]

I absolutely LOVE rust

it's a lot of symbology, but it's symbology I understand

[acoustic moss]

dammit i was just fetching my popcorn

[graceful basin]

I want to try koka at some point

[wraith hound]

like koka for algebraic effects (dunno if that's considered type system) and idris for dependent type

[graceful basin]

and then steal its features and make my own

[uneven pine]

Python and Rust are my top 2 languages

[mild abyss]

no

[uneven pine]

they're beautiful, readable, and usable

[acoustic moss]

sleep

[wraith hound]

stop stealing both phases of my plan ahh

[uneven pine]

but they're also very opposite ends of spectrum

[mild abyss]

im always a julia enjoyer

[uneven pine]

Rust is very low Python is very high

that's what I was using Haskell for, something in the middle that's actually usable

[graceful basin]

hey uncomfy, how long until NativeBinary

[mild abyss]

take a while. ive been visiting zulip and the only thing static compiler can do for now is spit LLVM-IR

[uneven pine]

if you can get LLVM-IR you can compile to anything though

[mild abyss]

https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/pull/44527