ot1-perplexing-regexing

[drowsy pumice]

also

their trait bullshit too

their book is absolutely garbage and fragmented

[distant hazel]

ahahaha

[rough sapphire]

it was disappointment

:'/

[small coral]

you can do this ```rust
let i: u32 = 0
'a: loop {
'b: loop {
// ...
break 'a;
}
// shouldn't increment i if 'a is broken
i += 1;
}

[rough sapphire]

i was excited about it

:'/

[small coral]

in python you have to do this ```py
i = 0
while True:
break_a = False
while True:
# ...
break_a = True
break
if break_a:
break
# shouldn't increment i if this loop is broken
i += 1

[drowsy pumice]

same amount of lines and in a understandable format

[small coral]

useful if you want to break out of 4 nested loops for some reason

[edgy pelican]

doesn't rust have some funky let thing to avoid nested loops

[small coral]

??? ```py

"""let i: u32 = 0
... 'a: loop {
... 'b: loop {
... // ...
... break 'a;
... }
... // shouldn't increment i if 'a is broken
... i += 1;
... }""".count('\n')
8
"""i = 0
... while True:
... break_a = False
... while True:
... # ...
... break_a = True
... break
... if break_a:
... break
... # shouldn't increment i if this loop is broken
... i += 1""".count('\n')
10

[drowsy pumice]

close enough

[small coral]

you may have to backtrack to see what break_name is when you have nested loops with big blocks

[drowsy pumice]

Rust is just CoffeeScript on drugs (and compiled)

[small coral]

coffeescript doesn't even look like the majority of rust code??

also full of lambdas wtf

[drowsy pumice]

coffeescript also has weird syntax like rust

[small coral]

why is coffeescript full of arrow syntax stuff

[tardy rain]

What about arrow functions

Theyre not that bad

[small coral]

i don't have any problem if they're not used too much

[floral apex]

Try looking into OCaml --- which is also the language the first Rust compiler was written in.

https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/influences.html Actually, look into languages Rust is inspired by, particularly the functional programming languages

[low chasm]

In rust?

_ is the catchall, not just got errors

[pastel prism]

If we say check if a number is within plus or minus 10% of another number what does it mean?

[rough sapphire]

Hmm, I think it's slightly vague, but it's something like "n is 20; m is 2, which is 10% of n; this number i is somewhere between 18 and 22, inclusive"

[onyx mist]

match and case is sexyyyy

[jovial oriole]

what version is this?

[small coral]

3.10+

i'm pretty sure you've been here for a month now so shouldn't you have noticed?

[lunar widget]

i see

[wraith hound]

Why do you dislike it?

It basically says "I'm going to provide a unified interface for X thing, and I'll also give some fancy good stuff to anything that wants this unified interface"

[wraith hound]

Now that's an interesting claim

I've heard many many people, even Rust haters, say that The Book is very good

[civic stag]

Sort of what we have now in Python with Protocols right?

[wraith hound]

exactly

The idea originated from Haskell's typeclasses

[civic stag]

Yeah Haskell's type classes are amazing

[wraith hound]

type classes are exactly what traits are

[civic stag]

In Haskell there are instance rules that say, you know, Show a => Show [a] (if you can display some type a, you can also display a list of a automatically)

Do Protocols have this kind of inference system?

I haven't used them much

[wraith hound]

I believe there is a blanket implementation for that, yes

[civic stag]

It can get pretty crazy

To the point of allowing some very cool type level programming

[wraith hound]

https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/library/alloc/src/vec/mod.rs#L2894-L2899 I think this is the blanket impl

[royal lake]

library/alloc/src/vec/mod.rs lines 2894 to 2899

#[stable(feature = "rust1", since = "1.0.0")]
impl<T: fmt::Debug, A: Allocator> fmt::Debug for Vec<T, A> {
    fn fmt(&self, f: &mut fmt::Formatter<'_>) -> fmt::Result {
        fmt::Debug::fmt(&**self, f)
    }
}```

[wraith hound]

It basically means: for any vector of type T that implements Debug, then implement Debug for the Vec<T>

[civic stag]

Ah neat

[shell lake]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/uesx8m/discord_is_releasing_forum_channels_for_partnered/

[jovial oriole]

nope, haven't seen or used match case since i joined

!user

[royal lake]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[jovial oriole]

around 8 months ago

i've seen it in rust sure, but not in python

might be because im running an older build, i'd have to check

[drowsy pumice]

For a non-C programmer it is very fragmented and too destructrued

[floral apex]

I've came from Python with a dash of Typescript and Dart

It's a good book

[drowsy pumice]

Dart is c-like, your point is invalid.

[floral apex]

You're only disproving nothing from that. Dart's more akin to JavaScript + Java and less C

There's also Typescript and Python. I did Python first and honestly, I'm more familiar with Typescript than Dart

Dart however was easy to pick up given it's description of being "a hybrid of JavaScript and Java"

[drowsy pumice]

Imo, Rust is very overwhelming

[floral apex]

I mean, it's a lower level language just like C++

[drowsy pumice]

I guess but rather than taking my opinion as fact take it as entertainment since I don't have enough experience with lower level languages to argue with someone

[floral apex]

Well, I'd expect all of them to be overwhelming in their own ways

Like how in C, memory management is absolutely onto you

[drowsy pumice]

I find C to be much easier to work with

[floral apex]

There's no reference counter or garbage collector to help you out

[drowsy pumice]

It's not "screaming" in your face

It is less overwhelming

[floral apex]

I mean, I'd rather have a pedantic compiler than a compiler that gives no shit in what you're doing

Because I'd know in the long term that'll bite in the ass

imo, it'd be more overwhelming to deal with C's lack of hand holding

[drowsy pumice]

Rust holds your hand too much

[floral apex]

Aren't all high level languages like that too

You have hand holding in the form of garbage collection, objects, classes, reference counting, etc.

And with C++, similar case there too

[drowsy pumice]

C++ is for maniacs

I can't bear working with rust

I open a project

start writing

then quit in about 60 seconds

I wanted to try using Rust for a simple downloader

the other day

It was 70% done but I just dropped the project

[floral apex]

Hm, maybe you'll like Google's languages

Go or Dart

[floral apex]

Maybe you'll find them less overwhelming despite having more hand holding

Go is designed by the people who made C

[drowsy pumice]

Go is for concurrency

not speed

[floral apex]

Speed is one of it's selling points

[drowsy pumice]

hmm

[floral apex]

Speed in the form of development time and runtime speed

The runtime speed coming from Go's supposedly blazing fast garbage collector

Development time coming from the fact you don't have to deal with C's manual memory management

[tight granite]

i hate tailwind elitists

[wraith hound]

I think you're just very used to tiny languages

Which is fair enough

[floral apex]

I just like how it's a just a bunch of utility classes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tight granite]

Nevermind i forgot it had @apply

I love tailwind

I take my statement back

[limpid gazelle]

UORFDSHJK

MINECRAFT JAVA WORKS ON 10??

[tardy agate]

yes

it does

[floral apex]

Yes

[limpid gazelle]

bruhhh

thats the only reason i updated

[tardy agate]

the rights to minecraft are owned by microsoft

[limpid gazelle]

it didnt work on 10 for me

[twin hearth]

whats the diff between java 8 and 17

[floral apex]

Microsoft would definitely be interested in making sure their games run at least on Windows and Xbox

[tardy agate]

java 8 is old and more popular and java 17 is old and less popular but newer than java 8

[twin hearth]

react native depends on java 8, seems like minecraft also depended on java 8

[tardy agate]

java 18 is the current version

[twin hearth]

whats "new" java

[tardy agate]

java 18

[limpid gazelle]

no but windows 10 dosent support mc java right?

[tardy agate]

nope it does

[twin hearth]

is it any good?

[floral apex]

Wrong. Minecraft Java supports Windows 10

[tardy agate]

if you like java ur gonna love java 18

[limpid gazelle]

nooooooooooooooooooo

[tardy agate]

because its java

[limpid gazelle]

bruh

[twin hearth]

lol

i think i like java?

[limpid gazelle]

i had no reason to update then

[wraith hound]

Why wouldn't it support Win10, it was one of the biggest operating systems for a fairly long time.

[tardy agate]

linux is faster

cooler

lighter weight

[floral apex]

Linux is nice but not what I'm looking for

[twin hearth]

yeah especially since microsoft owns minecraft lmao

[tardy agate]

i can get you unix

and the 2018 version

[floral apex]

Just needed to target Windows, Android and Linux

And Windows provides the most convenient way to do that

[tardy agate]

whats sad is nobody develops for unix 2018 anymore

except for me

[limpid gazelle]

damn

[twin hearth]

whats the relationship between unix and windows

[tardy agate]

bad

unix essentially spawned off every enemy of windows

[floral apex]

macOS is more of an afterthought for me. iOS can just unexist

[twin hearth]

also what is unix

is it a kernel?

[tardy agate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix

[twin hearth]

bro whys it still relevant

[tardy agate]

because its the basis of macos and linux

[floral apex]

Existing systems

Like those that run on HP UX, IBM AIX and Solaris

[tardy agate]

ah yes ibm

[twin hearth]

okay, i always thought that unix -> windows but really its unix -> linux

[floral apex]

IBM also helped to spawn Windows

[tardy agate]

ibm creates basically the only computers used for servers

and owns redhat so they can get more money from servers

[floral apex]

They own a Linux distro, a Unix OS and a completely custom OS

At one point a desktop OS in collaboration with Microsoft, OS/2

[tardy agate]

what

bro ups british columbia the army of great britian bmw microsoft the damn deutsche bank all use redhat

WHY DOES AN ARMY USE REDHAT

not even microsoft uses windows server

[floral apex]

They do have a Linux distro of their own that uses rpm

[tardy agate]

what

microsoft linux

[floral apex]

Yes, Microsoft has their own Linux distro

[tardy agate]

redhat based microsoft linux

[floral apex]

That only uses Red Hat's package format

[tardy agate]

where

where do i download this

[floral apex]

CBL Mariner, I think

[tardy agate]

they made a distro in go

microsoft made a linux distro in go

[twin hearth]

heh?

[tardy agate]

just found the source

[twin hearth]

send bro

[tardy agate]

apparently its failing at quickstart https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner

[floral apex]

It's pretty barebones though

And used internally in Azure

[rough sapphire]

@tardy agate do you know Ruby programming language?

[twin hearth]

ruby looks like its ruby to python as cpp is to c

[rough sapphire]

huh

[twin hearth]

oh wait, nah i said that wrong

ruby is to python as cpp is to c

[rough sapphire]

i still don't agree with analogy

but at least it's properly formed

[twin hearth]

lol

ruby code looks more inolved than python but i've never written more than hello world in ruby

[rough sapphire]

same

but i find ruby's backticks REALLY appealing

👌

[twin hearth]

what's that

[graceful basin]

Ruby does have fewer leaky abstractions than python in my fairly limited experience. It is quite a clever language, and rails is excellent, but not really worthwhile in the microservice era

[rough sapphire]

you can run shell commands with backticks

so in

`cd MyFolder`

[graceful basin]

raku has qx{echo hi}

[twin hearth]

oh no way

[rough sapphire]

yea

ikr?

[twin hearth]

straight up in the language? just write shell code?

[rough sapphire]

in the language

[twin hearth]

thats mad

[rough sapphire]

awesome right??

[graceful basin]

not sure cd would work tbh, it may run in a subshell make style

but yeah, it is neat

especially for scripting

how did python manage to be popular for scripting with its popen I will never understand

[acoustic moss]

exclusively for scripting 🤔

[twin hearth]

python's not for scripting

perl is for scripting, python is something else

[graceful basin]

it is very popular for scripting

definitely more so than perl

I know very few people who voluntarily use perl

[twin hearth]

i have no clue what scripting even is, how does it differe from jsut code

[rough sapphire]

python is common for scripting, even though it's pretty terrible for scripting..

[rough sapphire]

it's just about convenience

it's nothing formal

[twin hearth]

i hate it when ppl call something a "script"

[graceful basin]

keep in mind that perl was beaten by PHP for web backends.

PHP

[twin hearth]

but perl is still used though

[graceful basin]

indeed it is

[rough sapphire]

unfortunately yea

[graceful basin]

it is not a bad scripting language

python is just better

[twin hearth]

its niche, and no where near mine

[rough sapphire]

put perl also has backtick for shell commands

[twin hearth]

it has built in regex

[rough sapphire]

so does JS

[graceful basin]

so does python and javascript

[rough sapphire]

and C#

[twin hearth]

but perl is old

[rough sapphire]

well

yes

[twin hearth]

also zuccy used it for facemash

:p enough ethos for perl scripting xD

wait is scripting like automation code?

[graceful basin]

for example

[twin hearth]

like would a scraping algo be called a script?

[graceful basin]

often yes

it's just stuff you don't want to create a full program with config files and such for

a very single purpose thing designed to be adapted by changing the source code rather than by configuring it

[twin hearth]

and it doesnt require use input right?

its designed just to run and produce results

[graceful basin]

sometimes scripts do

it isn't exact or anything

[rough sapphire]

i'd say it's extremely bad practice to put STDIO requirement in scripts

defeats the purpose

it's better to use env vars for example

[graceful basin]

it depends, there are some scripts that munge data from stdin and put it on stdout

[twin hearth]

i always try to impliment some sort of interactivity into my "scripts"

[graceful basin]

which honestly is way less common than unix zealots would have you belive

[twin hearth]

they start out as scripts but then i imagine that scripts can use some more customisation

[rough sapphire]

customize with env vars, it's easier to script

[graceful basin]

indeed

[rough sapphire]

or simply positional args

[twin hearth]

i dont understand the correllation between env vars and scripts

[rough sapphire]

$1 $2 is trivial to write

okay, so we have trivial script

and you want the user to specify a URL for example

all they do is specify the env var

and your script will act accordingly

this way scripts don't need to pause

they just work

but are still customizable

or, you can have positional args

[twin hearth]

i see

i'm just not very used to using virtual envs and i dont mess around with env vars for my os

i suppose i should try to more often

[rough sapphire]

virtual envs have nothing to do with it

[twin hearth]

nah i get your point

[rough sapphire]

windows has tons of env vars, as you can see

some may be powershell specific env vars, but you get the point

if you had to list 3 most widely adopted shells on linux, what would they be?

surely Bash and Zsh? but idk 3rd, or fourth

[graceful basin]

dash has been gaining popularity with some distros. Maybe fish or ksh as well

[rough sapphire]

dash is pretty fast

[steel trail]

hi im new and i don

don't know much abt python so is it ok if i stay in this group?

[tardy rain]

Yes?

[steel trail]

ok thanks

[tardy rain]

You should learn some python anyway tho

Its cool

[steel trail]

ok but idk where to start of with

[tardy rain]

!resources take your time to look through these

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[steel trail]

ok thanks will look into it

[twin hearth]

you should look into #python-discussion to see different kinds of python codes and ask what they do if you're confused. it really helps to ask questions about everything, granted you really dont know

[tardy agate]

yes they have no fur

[agile dove]

Damn. Dont real ponies have fur tho

[tardy agate]

yeah but

real ponies dont have wings

or magic

or horns

[agile dove]

Ofc lol.

Hmm.

That's a bit strange but then again not really. People have different things they like and stuff.

(again, no offense)

[tardy agate]

big offense

[agile dove]

Sorry

I didn't mean to offend you

[tardy agate]

its ok

also i would like to ask that you ping me when responding because it helps me not take 14 minutes to respond

[agile dove]

Oh sorry

[craggy crypt]

make snake in snake 💀

[twin hearth]

@sterile sapphire i just finished season 3 of 13 reasons. its was so dumb

i was like, tf are they trying to teach to the audience, what kind of message is being taught, that we shouldnt ever let anything move on or heal? and that we should become worse and act out? like season one was good and tense but after that it jsut became so stupid

[foggy barn]

joined a discord server

instantly moderator

go on a moderator power spree

get banned

why are discord moderators like this

[twin hearth]

i got banned cos a mod didnt like me

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-gif-18242678

[rough sapphire]

when i was younger, i was moderating a large game clan's discord server (1000+ people) and i didn't ban a single person as far as i know

idk why people have this obsession with banning

[twin hearth]

yk how online gaming becomes an obsession for some people because they have no sense of success in the real world? one can assume to extrapolate that to other aspects.

[rough sapphire]

that's pretty sad though

[twin hearth]

yeah, well broadband, screens and keyboards have made it quite easy to play god

[rough sapphire]

unfortunate

but true

well, more accurately: get a SENSE of playing god

[dapper dew]

Maybe I'm biased but I don't see our mods power tripping

[twin hearth]

thats because the python server is an prime example for the best of the best discord has to offer

i've yet to find a better server

[dapper dew]

The Rust lang server is pretty chill

[rough sapphire]

i didn't say anything about pydis mods, i don't know why you're assuming that was my aim?

[twin hearth]

i mean I said discord mods, i mean the stereotypical power trippin mods

altough i've seen mods just outright ban people in this server

[dapper dew]

I assumed it was a generalized statement for all mods

[rough sapphire]

absolutely not

[dapper dew]

But I'm also not in many servers, so I haven't had the experience of getting banned

[twin hearth]

the programmers hangout server is a disgrace if im being honest

compared to the python server, the programmers hangout is lacking so many ethics

[dapper dew]

Interesting, I'm not sure if that makes me want to join or stay away lol

[twin hearth]

im not looking to slander other servers, but one time i got a notification from the server, the mods had "at all"'ed the whole server

[rough sapphire]

i'd like to see for myself, can you throw me invite link?

[twin hearth]

and then when asking why they do it, the mods and or participants started being highly corrosive on why i asked

[rough sapphire]

cba looking for it by myself

[twin hearth]

its indexed in the search

[rough sapphire]

what search

[twin hearth]

you can just search programmers hangout in the discord server search and itll be there

[rough sapphire]

got it

[dapper dew]

Did they remove that from Android? Or has it always been missing

[twin hearth]

my sister bought bubble gum, i nabbed some, im blowing the biggest bubbles istg

[sterile sapphire]

awful right

idek what to say to it

i’m not sure if i’m happy or upset about it

or what even

[twin hearth]

just stupid

first we see bryce as the worst human alive

and then we get so much sympathy for bryce in season 3

and then he gets killed callously.

its like tf is the plot

[sterile sapphire]

that’s what i’m saying

it’s so twisted, events are out of order inexplicably

it’s almost deliberately intended

psychologically the frameworks of the characters seem to form some kind of graph

where they replace each other as terrible people

yet it’s completely jumbled

and the last season is legit a horror show

[twin hearth]

i didnt bother watching season 4, netflix told me it was the same psychological turmoil bullshit from the previous 3 seasons

[sterile sapphire]

it’s awful

this isn’t psychology bro this is pop psych

😭😭😭

schizophrenia doesn’t magically go away w no drugs

[twin hearth]

nah i was refering to whatever they pass off as "psychology"

[sterile sapphire]

ik fam

total agreement

clay isn’t schizophrenic he’s just a horny idiot

😭😭😭

[twin hearth]

at least euphoria was somewhat relevant for the teens in this day and age

tbh thats not fair, 13 reasons why is quite old also

[sterile sapphire]

which is precisely why i said 13 rw walked so euphoria could run

nate jacobs is bryce tenfold

what’s hidden between the lines in bryce’s life

is nate

[twin hearth]

nate is fucked bro

[sterile sapphire]

i unfortunately understand nate

and i feel bad for him

[twin hearth]

that scene when he arrives home and his dad like mounts him cos of an argument

[sterile sapphire]

i feel so awful

stop please

[twin hearth]

that scene got fucked up

[sterile sapphire]

please stop it

stop it

i can’t i’m gonna cry

my dad did that shit to me so many times

[twin hearth]

mb fam

[sterile sapphire]

it’s fucked up man

[twin hearth]

moving on

[sterile sapphire]

nah

it ain’t your fault

honestly idk what’s wrong w this generation anymore

[twin hearth]

im glad im in the cut off, i wouldnt have survived this fucked up gen

[sterile sapphire]

the more i learn the more confused i am

you have it easier than me bro

idk what to do anymore

[twin hearth]

feel sorry for my parents they have to deal with my sister growing up in this world

[sterile sapphire]

fuck man

i have two cousins

in

TEXAS

and an unc

wtf am i supposed to do???

[twin hearth]

uncs can be okay?

maybe?

[sterile sapphire]

nah bro

he gone

[twin hearth]

one of those uncs

[sterile sapphire]

mentally he robotic

yep

[twin hearth]

tbh this sounds kinda messed, but i just block it out tbh, not my problem

[sterile sapphire]

yeah same bro

gotta filter out the shit

[twin hearth]

if it was personally happening to me

[sterile sapphire]

to get to the gold

[twin hearth]

cos my shit matters as well

[sterile sapphire]

fax

i’m coping well tho

i would say

[twin hearth]

like i could spend energy worrying about my sisters future, my brothers, mums or dads future, but i cant waste emotional energy on that

[sterile sapphire]

exactly

it’s their life

[twin hearth]

we just got get by man

[sterile sapphire]

it is what it is

what can’t stop

is our biz.

you can guide a camel to water

can’t force it to drink

[twin hearth]

the worst part is, parents cant and wont understand, thier life was some what comparably easy.

[sterile sapphire]

always is

unless they’re in touch

and actually try

even then

[twin hearth]

but whatevs man, just solid whatevs, gotta move on and keep goign

[sterile sapphire]

exactly

the mental strength they’ve given me

like honestly thank you

😭

https://tenor.com/view/g-eazy-gerald-yee-gif-10681394

[twin hearth]

that i can agree, if they've taught me anything, is how to deal with shit times.

which im hella thankful for

[sterile sapphire]

hella grateful bro

[twin hearth]

np man, we arent alone

[sterile sapphire]

fuck silver spoons

we make diamonds

[hidden pebble]

what are these buttons called?

BooleanButtons?

[carmine apex]

the ux stackexchange calls them toggle switches

[hidden pebble]

oh ok thanks

[rough sapphire]

witty

[tight granite]

tired of these people using "educational purposes" as an excuse

[floral apex]

There are two things in this world

Actual educational/research/etc. purposes

And thinly veiled excuses

[tight granite]

ikr

[barren sedge]

Helipop

[steel trail]

k

[gritty zinc]

another name is radio button, I believe

[steel trail]

hi i have a question what's a comment in python?

[rough sapphire]

non-executable line

[steel trail]

oh so it's a line which won't be executed meaning it won't be printed in the output?

[rough sapphire]

I don't know

[steel trail]

like will it be in the output?

[rough sapphire]

maybe there is a way I don't know

[steel trail]

k thx

[rough sapphire]

what the interpreter will do

[gritty zinc]

I mean, it means the interpreter will ignore it completely.

there's plenty of lines that won't result in any printing without being comments.

x = 1

a comment also doesn't have to be a full line

x = 10 # assign x to 10 (this is a very useless comment, don't leave ones like this - comment on stuff that's actually complicated)

[steel trail]

ohhhh ok thx

[rough sapphire]

there is a way to acess the part of the code that do that

?

[steel trail]

what's a space character then?

[gritty zinc]

uhh, ?

[runic wigeon]

Radio buttons are different

Those are called toggle/ switches

[steel trail]

i heard this term space character from a python yt vid

[runic wigeon]

Whitespace

It's just literally a space

Like the space between the words

[steel trail]

oh ok

[rough sapphire]

its not like a invisible character?

[steel trail]

then why did this yt guy use a space character here?

first name = "bro"

full_name = + "-----"+ last_name

last_name = "code"

the yt vi guy wrote this code but idk why he used this "-----" (a space character)

[gritty zinc]

that's literally just a string literal of 5 dashes; it means exactly what it looks like

I can hardly have an idea why some youtuber called it something. :p

[steel trail]

so do i rlly even need to add this "-----" to the input to get the out put as bro code?

[tight granite]

anyone know of any fun little web app ideas

[floral apex]

Make a music app of sorts?

Like a web app you can make some random tunes in

Not necessarily a DAW but you can do that too if you like

[steel trail]

hi idk why this ain't working (i just started so i'm not familiar with python)

print("i love burgers")
print("it's better than pizza")
first_name = hello
last_name = people
print("first_name + last_name")

print("i love burgers")
print("it's better than pizza") this part as in the output but the other's aren't in the output

[rough sapphire]

hello, and people isn't defined?

it works like this?

[rough sapphire]

although you probably meant to do this instead

[steel trail]

yea this is actually quit similar to what i thought but you can remove the two print statements after the first name and last time combined line

but the part i don't get is why you put this print(f"(first_name) (last_name)

why do you need to add a f before the first_name?

[floral apex]

That's called an f-string

!e

first_name = "John"
last_name = "Doe"
print(f"{first_name} {last_name}")

[royal lake]

@floral apex :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

John Doe

[steel trail]

and your supposed to add a + right when it combines those two variables the first and last name?

[floral apex]

With f-strings that's unnecessary, and it won't even yield the expected result

!e

first_name = "John"
last_name = "Doe"
print(f"{first_name} + {last_name}")
print("Not what you're expecting")

[royal lake]

@floral apex :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | John + Doe
002 | Not what you're expecting

[steel trail]

what's a f-string then?

[floral apex]

Well, I've already shown you what an f-string is. It's a formatted string

[steel trail]

ik what a string is but idk what a f-string is

[floral apex]

It's a lot easier to work with than print("My name is" + first_name + last_name)

You can simplify that to print(f"My name is {first_name} {last_name}")

[rough sapphire]

in short:
string interpolation, letter f before quotation mark means that you wish to evaluate what is inside {} bracket pair, and implicitly convert it to a string

In long:
https://peps.python.org/pep-0498/

[steel trail]

ohhhh ok thx

[wraith hound]

!f-strings

[royal lake]

Creating a Python string with your variables using the + operator can be difficult to write and read. F-strings (format-strings) make it easy to insert values into a string. If you put an f in front of the first quote, you can then put Python expressions between curly braces in the string.

>>> snake = "pythons"
>>> number = 21
>>> f"There are {number * 2} {snake} on the plane."
"There are 42 pythons on the plane."

Note that even when you include an expression that isn't a string, like number * 2, Python will convert it to a string for you.

[rough sapphire]

anyone want to help me do scripting for a new game on roblox-

Reply me if you do

[steel trail]

ok thx

[rough sapphire]

I don't intend to start a flaming war, I don't want this to begin a discussion, I'm just asking for any radically left aligned resources or youtube creators that that I should look at, in order to get a good/positive opinion on the radical left. I think it's important to look at both sides, and I think i'm being shown too much conservative content. If you have any serious content, @ me

Thank in advance to everyone 👍

[twin hearth]

@rough sapphire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VspjfNMPHyc the conservative right and thier corrosive beliefs really make us leftists look good

tbh me as a 18 year old, i've discovered my morals and where i stand on the spectrum, also being an australian, i've come to acknowledge the righteous left as my ideology.

but im 18 so i cant write in stone where i stand

[soft violet]

Well, you can write it on paper, soon.

Two colours of paper, at that.

Par-tay.

[soft violet]

Also, I don't know. People have been carving things into stone since time immemorial.

All you need is a stone and another stone and a bit of grunt.

Or, more ideally, a hammer, chisel and some safety goggles.

You'll be complaining about substandard copper in no time.

Though that was probably pressed clay or something.

[twin hearth]

is that mockery or an example of how well you know your history

i mean either way its impressive

but i'll appreciate one over the other

[soft violet]

Not mockery. I wouldn't dare to call myself a history buff, by any stretch.

[twin hearth]

yeah but that was a really cool tidbit

[soft violet]

It's gratifying to have one's references appreciated.

[twin hearth]

is that a thank you in 3rd person?

[soft violet]

Much is possible.

[thin cloak]

Stone age info tech

[rough sapphire]

yoo

i made some pic with a message in it 😎

[tardy rain]

I think people keep forgetting where the word "slave" came from
You dont see nearly as much mention of slavery in other parts of the world that had slavery or even parts of the world that still do have slavery

[heady sinew]

could anyone by any chance know where I can find the minigame (alone) that looks like this?

[graceful basin]

@ashen emberhello, please do not advertise.

[zealous comet]

my mom just messed up quite
we are going on holiday to turkey but because she didn't read read did she pick one 3 times filled everything in we cancelled them (was free no issue there) but now we are planning to get the correct one and it is €200 more expensive probably because some bot realised that we really wanted that holiday so it is a real pain

[zealous comet]

it is but it is quite a waste

for me it would be the first time going to turkey

well that is a issue in any place where there is a lot of tourism

well me and my family aren't a fan of buying stuff from those people on the streets

we also dont really buy stuff if they disturb us when we are on the beach

[zealous comet]

now i'm wondering if a bot or something like that can do the price up would it also be able to get the price down so it would be close to 0

if it can it would be worth trying it and after that reporting it

[clear plume]

This is one of the dumbest videos I've seen from these people yet

It's literally a bait question

[rough sapphire]

I was also deceived by youtube and I will abandon it for good, unfortunately I still go there to listen to music

[mild abyss]

it isnt youtube. it is the content creator that youre talking about

but if you are talking about the algo that lets you see ridiculous idiotic videos, then i guess that's youtube's fault

[rough sapphire]

yes, but don't looks like a error in the algorithm

[ashen ember]

Sorry thank you for telling me 🙂

[rough sapphire]

there is nothing bait about it, I've watched it and as described in my message, did not start a debate/argument

and if asking for information from people with different values/way of thought is "bait", then you might have the wrong mindset on what being informed is

[tardy rain]

I also wanna know why its bait tbh

[rough sapphire]

hey

[rough sapphire]

I'm giving this computer to not self taugh dude

[floral apex]

https://twitter.com/YasuhoHirose69/status/1521293818854879236?s=20&t=oKeRiSTPhHPKwSmRe9SVFw Ah yes, Pee Pee Creek and Poo Poo Point

Yasuho Enthusiast (JoJo fan duh) (@YasuhoHirose69)

@spartinyo @image_origins

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[tight granite]

is it just me or

[raven narwhal]

can i ask something?

why are there 3 channels under off topic?

[floral apex]

😳

[tight granite]

because if there are only one off topic, chaos ensues

[raven narwhal]

hmmmm ok

[hearty linden]

I just finished writing support for indentation syntax for a lot of languages.
My program is like 50 lines. It makes stuff like this possible:

#include <stdio.h>
int main(): // {
    if (1): // {
        puts("Hello World!");
// }}

Thoughts?

The comments are here just to show you equivalent code.

They are meaningless.

[tight granite]

this is cursed

it's literally CPython

[small coral]

cython?

[tight granite]

no

maybe

probably

yes

[small coral]

there's already cython for that but that looks like indent-based C with colons

[hearty linden]

it doesn’t only work C

// this is rust
fn main(): // {
    if true: // {
        println!("Hello World!");
// }}

And ruby:

for i in 0..10 do
    puts "#{i}"
# end

So it's very different to Cython

[rough sapphire]

you can omit curly brackets in rust?

[plush bolt]

what about js bro

[hearty linden]

No, this thing I wrote allows you to

[hearty linden]

same thing basically

[floral apex]

Test it out for yourself on Compiler Explorer

[plush bolt]

nice!!

bro this is so cool

because i love the indent syntax

[hearty linden]

do u think it’s possibly problematic?
because it was extremely easy to make and i havent seen it before

[plush bolt]

btw how do i use it?

[plush bolt]

hmm idk, it's probably going to have a bit of issues with some languages but i don't really know

[hearty linden]

it’s on github, called IndentSyntax

[plush bolt]

alright cool

[hearty linden]

the main problem I can see is tooling

linters will scream at you

[plush bolt]

yep definitely

[tight granite]

yo can you like

remove semicolon

atleast make it optional

[viscid hemlock]

Why use // and curly braces?!

[hearty linden]

@viscid hemlock

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[viscid hemlock]

Ah I didn't register that without the syntax highlighting

[hearty linden]

i cant remove semicolons because i am not skilled enough

[whole jewel]

Bluehost or DigitalOcean for a wordpress website

[wraith hound]

why would you ever do if (1): when you could just do if 1: or even if True: or even, wait for it, omit it altogether

[hearty linden]

it's C with indentation syntax
im pretty sure I need (), and I haven't defined a macro with the truth value?

[wraith hound]

oh sorry, I thought you had mentioned that was some weird rust-cross

[hearty linden]

nah, yeaah I had examples all over the place so it’s fair enough

[sour leaf]

Hi, can anyone point me towards some exercises (simple please as I am a beginner) to really grasp how to best use/manipulate the different types of variable (eg lists, tuples, dictionaries, arrays, etc.). Cheers

[karmic gust]

i dont have any resources at hand, but what you're looking for are called data structures

you might try #algos-and-data-structs

there are some resources in the pins there

[raven narwhal]

what are the minimum hardware requirements for machine learning?

https://youtu.be/lbNF8k-gFeY

👹

[bitter tendon]

hi

[deep cedar]

hey

[deep cedar]

what's up

[bitter tendon]

nm wbyy

[deep cedar]

Just had an amazing desi breakfast

It's Eid here at my country

3rd day

[bitter tendon]

by any chance you from ind?

[deep cedar]

I am from Pakistan, very close

[bitter tendon]

wowowowowow

[deep cedar]

And surprisingly, I live 15 KMs from the border

[bitter tendon]

i have never seen anyone from pak on discord :DD

[bitter tendon]

well- scary maybe

[deep cedar]

Lol I am a Mod in Lex Friedman's server

[deep cedar]

Nah, it's peaceful

[bitter tendon]

wow- you-

[deep cedar]

There are many of us on discord

Mostly on gaming servers

[bitter tendon]

thank god hope it remains to be so :DD

[deep cedar]

Yeah exactly

[bitter tendon]

well well can't say, you're the first one i saw

[deep cedar]

Cool, sounds good

[bitter tendon]

yuppieee :DD
you seems to be chill :DD

[deep cedar]

I have been a lurker in this server, too shy to come say hi

Last night my I broke my whatever was holding me

[bitter tendon]

xD

[bitter tendon]

lol nice na

[deep cedar]

Yeah it feels nice

[bitter tendon]

yeahhhhh

[deep cedar]

I am gaining confidence to talk about Python because I thought I am an imposter and don't actually know anything

[bitter tendon]

it isn't trueeeeeeeee you seem like a pro person

[deep cedar]

Nah I am okay, I am training again after 4 years at work because I took a management role. I did some deep learning stuff in 2020 with some folks from Lex's server

[bitter tendon]

cooooooool

||
bear with me using repetitive alphabets ||

[deep cedar]

No worries

[bitter tendon]

xD
well how's life there

[deep cedar]

Of course

[bitter tendon]

i- could this be the answer- to how's life there?-

[deep cedar]

Apart from the instable government and politics, life is pretty good and chill. You can date openly, do music, art and stuff. You can get away with most of the stuff that young people generally find themselves in

[bitter tendon]

wowowwowowwwowow interesting
well politically- india's situation isn't much better either but let's not get into it

[deep cedar]

Yeah, I am so done honestly. I am just happy I can meet my relatives

After 2 years

[bitter tendon]

wait- wha- your lockdown ended now? so late- we had like several breaks in between

[deep cedar]

Our lockdown ended months ago, I don't even remember. Where are you from?

[bitter tendon]

delhi

[deep cedar]

I am from Lahore, our cities are considered similar to each other

And I live right next to Wagha Border

Like close

[bitter tendon]

oo
lahore coooool
cuisines of lahore wowowo

[deep cedar]

Lol yeah, we love our food

[bitter tendon]

that march thingy so coooool

[bitter tendon]

yess to the point that even i love it :DD

[deep cedar]

yeah, I have never been there

[deep cedar]

Have you been here?

[bitter tendon]

me neither just saw onn news channels

[deep cedar]

Yeah

[bitter tendon]

nah but there are restaurants here selling lahore style food

[fiery quest]

hey guys im new to python could anyone teach me plz dm me

[deep cedar]

That's very cool

[deep cedar]

There are so many YouTube playlists that you can go through

[bitter tendon]

#python-discussion plz

[bitter tendon]

yeahhh

[fiery quest]

ok thank u

[bitter tendon]

:DD

[deep cedar]

Which is your most favorite dish?

[bitter tendon]

um well ig pav bhaji

[deep cedar]

Halwa, channe and puri?

I think that's what that is here

I just had that in breakfast

[bitter tendon]

nah that is different

[bitter tendon]

coool they are yum too

[deep cedar]

Yeah of course, I need to eat it again but too many calories

[bitter tendon]

xD
well halwa and puri are fried
and oil can be extracted from channe themselves lol

[deep cedar]

Yeah man, they put extra when they are packing the channe

But it's worth it

So what brings you here in the land of Pythonistas?

[bitter tendon]

yessssss

[bitter tendon]

well well i started programming 3 days ago after rage quitting it for almost 5 months

xD

[deep cedar]

Ahh, okay

How is that going so far?

[bitter tendon]

pretty good by no

*now

just completed the project i started that day

[deep cedar]

Awesome

[sour leaf]

Cheers 👍

[hidden pebble]

State management is confusing 💀

[rocky swallow]

lol pythonistas

[deep cedar]

Lol couldn't think of anything else

[rugged anchor]

amazing name #ot1-perplexing-regexing

[torn holly]

Is any one in here really good at college physics 2

[civic stag]

Physics 2 = electromagnetism?

I might remember some of that haha

[torn holly]

If I showed you a solved problem could you see if it was wrong

[civic stag]

I don't know unless you try haha

[drowsy rose]

i hope eivl will give me some ram from his ram garden

my ram garden isn't great

[tight granite]

i hate this

});

that thing

in javascript

it keeps haunting me

[floral apex]

you made it sad

[tight granite]

i dont care !! ! ! !

it is part of my callback nightmares

[thin cloak]

But it could be evil ram with bad memories...dont take forbidden ram in the tree of memory storage of forbidden knowledge

[rough sapphire]

Waves and fluids, sound

3 eletromagnetism

[drowsy rose]

oh yeah

[thin cloak]

But snek called Python will tempt you with powers unimaginable!

[drowsy rose]

im confosed

[thin cloak]

I gave in and wrote a project maybe having 15k lines of Python...one file almost 10k lines

See lmao

[wraith hound]

you seem like the type of person to draw fancy graphs in comments

[thin cloak]

No graphs there you can check lmao

https://github.com/TechnoTanuki/Python_BMP/blob/main/Python_BMP/BITMAPlib.py

[floral apex]

What if I do that in an __about__.py

[rough sapphire]

ello

i am new

here

nice to meet u

[wraith hound]

I was about to say that that file has more loc than any file in python/cpython but it appears I was wrong >.<

that is still insanely long

[thin cloak]

Ate forbidden fruit lmao

[wraith hound]

well, the only larger one was generated by sphinx https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/main/Lib/pydoc_data/topics.py

thanks tokei

[floral apex]

Imagine if Bottle was that large or even bigger.

[wraith hound]

hmm, there are 2,790 more lines of non-blank, non-comment code in C than Python in python/cpython

[floral apex]

Hm

[wraith hound]

I don't know what you're looking at

[floral apex]

My entire Code folder

[wraith hound]

I highly suggest aliasing tokei to tokei -n commas -s code or tokei -n commas -s lines

[floral apex]

lines since VS Code already takes code

[wraith hound]

no that's not what I mean

-n commas -s code are arguments to tokei

[floral apex]

Oh wait, I read it again

[uneven oak]

Whoever recognizes this guy is a true hackerman from the future

I just realized I couldn’t take a screenshot worse than this lmao

[rough sapphire]

@sleek yarrow

[sleek yarrow]

FreeCodeCamp.org Python course tutor

Click on settings on bottom left

[uneven oak]

Damn, you’re sharp!

[rough sapphire]

ok

then

[sleek yarrow]

I watched his face for so many hours straight

[uneven oak]

Lol

[sleek yarrow]

THen click Colour Theme

[rough sapphire]

then

[sleek yarrow]

WOW I MUST SAY YOU CODE ALOT

[rough sapphire]

..

[sleek yarrow]

Then select whatever you want

[rough sapphire]

bro

i selected peacock

but no colors ;-;

[sleek yarrow]

Look at the blue and red and green

So many colours

[uneven oak]

What theme is that?

[sleek yarrow]

Peacock

Name: Rainglow
Id: daylerees.rainglow
Description: Rainglow color themes by Dayle Rees
Version: 1.5.2
Publisher: Dayle Rees
VS Marketplace Link: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=daylerees.rainglow

[uneven oak]

Is it possible for me to pin it here

?

[sleek yarrow]

No

[uneven oak]

Damn

Then imma just screenshot it.

[sleek yarrow]

Only people with roles

Just click on that link

It'll take you there

[uneven oak]

I’m not near a pc

[sleek yarrow]

Rainglow isn't one theme by the way, it is a collection of them

[craggy crypt]

restart ig

[uneven oak]

K

[sleek yarrow]

Oh okay

[rough sapphire]

ok

[wraith hound]

reply to that message (the link) with the command .bm and @median dome will send you a DM with the link

[uneven oak]

.bm

[uneven oak]

Thanks!

[median dome]

I can't believe you've done this

@sleek yarrow, please enable your DMs to receive the bookmark.

[sleek yarrow]

😆

[rough sapphire]

lol

[rough sapphire]

still

[sleek yarrow]

White will always be there

Anywhere

[craggy crypt]

which theme?

[sleek yarrow]

Rainglow

Under that Peacock

[rough sapphire]

[uneven oak]

Made this website for me to learn JavaScript on. It has a lot of reminders and little explanations for me if I forget along with the link if I need a reread. What do y’all think?

[craggy crypt]

its normal

[rough sapphire]

ye

see

white

[sleek yarrow]

White is always there

[craggy crypt]

what color do u want it to be xD

[rough sapphire]

wait ill show

[plush bolt]

looks very nice!

[uneven oak]

Thanks!

[rough sapphire]

this

see those colors

@sleek yarrow@craggy crypt

[uneven oak]

I don’t know why but this part reminds me of the windows XP taskbar for some reason

[plush bolt]

probably because of the blue thing, and then the green at the corner

[uneven oak]

Yeah

[rough sapphire]

..

[craggy crypt]

went through like 50 themes and the ones which didn't have a lot of white was material dark (this has multiple themes) and atom one dark

[uneven oak]

I think I should try do a Skeumorphic UI for something.

[rough sapphire]

okay

[plush bolt]

btw you should indent your code properly and make it align with the line

[uneven oak]

Man I miss skeuomorphic stuff 😦

[plush bolt]

which comes after the indent

[rough sapphire]

ok.

[plush bolt]

bro you should follow pep8

[craggy crypt]

right-click and format document 😳

[plush bolt]

or that yea

[rough sapphire]

lmao

[plush bolt]

lol

[craggy crypt]

pycharm is great, if copy bad code, as soon as i paste it it formats it

[rough sapphire]

then use pycharm for formatting then copy paste back to vsc

[craggy crypt]

i dont use vsc

[rough sapphire]

..

why

oh ye

maybe there is a different ide

for #esoteric-pythoners

xD

[craggy crypt]

um no

[plush bolt]

pycharm just annoys me if i have my code not formatted

and it forces me to follow pep8 lol

[craggy crypt]

i just use pycharm, i only know python so its fine

[plush bolt]

same

it's so good

[craggy crypt]

i actually learnt a lot of small details about pep 8

[rough sapphire]

i have pycharm tho

[craggy crypt]

i can't tell u the details, because i dont remember them, my hands do

[plush bolt]

should use that for python

imo

but your choice

[rough sapphire]

im opening it after a while

[craggy crypt]

i also pycharm cuz while writing regex, it tells me what group doesn't capture anything

[rough sapphire]

hehe

[plush bolt]

that's actually not VSCode

[runic wigeon]

how much RAM does eivl have?

[craggy crypt]

128tb 💀

[craggy crypt]

version control something

[runic wigeon]

the what

[plush bolt]

no way

@everyone

[jolly tinsel]

wtf

The cheesegrater pro has 1.5 tb

but 128 tb?

Damn-

I wonder How fast does android studio start up?

[craggy crypt]

they have 85 cheesegraters 💀 💀

[jolly tinsel]

Cheesegrater distributed server system?

[thin cloak]

Really lmao

[median yoke]

Hello guys !

I want to buy a SATA SSD for my desctop.
I am looking at 870 EVO SATA 2.5" SSD 500GB,
but there is some places that says that the TBW(total bytes written, in terabytes) is 300*, some other places that they say it is 600 TBW², and there is some places that says that it is 2400 TBW.
I mean idk which one is the right one.

[hexed sierra]

if you scroll down, you see it tells you the TBW depend on the SSD capacity

2400 is for the 4TB SSD

it seems to be 300 for the 500 gig one

[median yoke]

oh ok

isn't 300 too little ?

I mean it's too small right ?

[hexed sierra]

300 terabyte write? they give you a 5 year warranty for a reason

the average user is not expected to even get close to that

as an example, say you write 50 GB to your SSD every single day. your SSD is rated for 300 TBW, or 300,000 GB W. then we do 300,000/50 = 6000 days before you hit the cap

that comes out to a bit more than 16 years

so samsung gives you two numbers: either 5 years, or 300TBW. whatever you hit first ends your warranty. it is VERY likely that the 5 years will come around first. also the SSD will warn you once its health begins to decay

if this is for a file server that will see extensive usage from many users though, it indeed won't be enough. that's what enterprise-grade storage is for

[median yoke]

ok, thanks man !!

and btw is this SSD good ?

[hexed sierra]

yeah, samsung SSDs are good

[median yoke]

is there anything else that you recommend ?

[median yoke]

oh ok thanks

and yeah one last thing

my cpu is 4th gen

i5

and my motherboard is MSI

msi h81m-p33

i5 4460

[hexed sierra]

i cannot personally vouch for any in particular other than crucial's, but there are several websites on which one can check hardware compatibility. here is one i found on google by searching your motherboard model: https://www.mrmemory.co.uk/ssd-upgrades/msi-micro-star/motherboard/h81m-p33

and there, the samsung 870 evo is listed (along with others). should be ok, i think. for more support, you should look for some pc hardware server though. i don't know any for desktops, but i'm sure they exist

[lethal stump]

Would you guys consider charging companies for using your package? If you could charge companies whilst otherwise keeping the code as open source as possible, would you?

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cash-money-counting-money-gif-17544086

[graceful basin]

while that is doable, it requires you to well, be a business providing said software as a product, and the expectation is then that the software has warranty and works as advertised

which is a much greater commitment than may seem at first

so while it's a fun idea, selling software is not as simple as "company paypals me 20 bucks and I DM them a license code on linkedin"

[clear plume]

Imagine if you had to attach a credit card to GitHub and it would be charged whenever you used someone else's open source code/product

[soft violet]

"But it was MIT..."

"Daddy github wants sugar!"

[tardy rain]

Consider making your package free and open source, that solves all problems

[lethal stump]

Warranties depend on the license. Charging doesn't automatically imply warranty does it?

[graceful basin]

no one buys software without warranty

[lethal stump]

Most people use software without warranty. Why wont they buy? That's just a price problem isn't it?

[polar vigil]

Unless you create something really useful and the company helps you figure out the stuff. Could also trick you, but should at least try.

[tardy rain]

Companies arent most people

[lethal stump]

ok ok

most companies use software without warranty

[graceful basin]

they don't

[tardy rain]

No they dont

[lethal stump]

MIT licensed software is everywhere

[graceful basin]

short of open source software they can just maintain themselves, pretty much everything is warrantied

[tardy rain]

We check for licenses and warranties on installed software like twice a month

[graceful basin]

and even for FOSS software, you can often get a warranty from companies

E.G. RHEL, Oracle linux

[lethal stump]

I must be missing something: companies use loads of warrantless MIT licensed software don't they?

[graceful basin]

yes, because you can just maintain it inhouse

if it costs money, you can't do that

[lethal stump]

why not?

[graceful basin]

because if you could, why would you buy it

[lethal stump]

Perhaps you're buying the right to use and modify it

[graceful basin]

either its open source and so won't ever go unmaintained, or its commercial and the company wants a warranty so that they know that for X years, they will have working software

so you would sell the right to maintain an open source project

that seems like a bad deal tbh

[lethal stump]

nope sell the right to modify and use the software

not purely open source

if I sell you a book, would you want a warrant?

why can't I sell software like authors sell a book

[graceful basin]

you read a book once and are done with it

software stays forever-ish

[lethal stump]

I can read a book twice

[graceful basin]

if my product is using your library, it won't stop using it in a decade

so it would be bad if said library was no longer available

since that breaks my product

[lethal stump]

how does selling make something unavailable in the future?

[graceful basin]

you will go bankrupt eventually, or decide that maintaining a random package forever is not how you imagine your life going

so now, no more library

[lethal stump]

what if it becomes free after a certain date?

[graceful basin]

eh, sure, but can you make something compelling enough that a company would want to adopt it even given your disadvantageous terms

[lethal stump]

my current alternative is to give it away for free. So I wouldn't be too stressed if they don't pick up on it.

[graceful basin]

most commercial software you will find comes with support, warranty, training, workshops, etc.

[lethal stump]

Sure, but I want to sell my software at scale for $10.

[graceful basin]

I know some software which gets away with just being 10 bucks a license, no strings attached. But it's deeply unpopular and chances are you won't even make enough to get the price making an LLC to sell it out of cost

[tardy rain]

What kind of software is it

What does it do

[lethal stump]

I wander if I can convince loads of people to sell their software like that.

[graceful basin]

I remember a very fancy macro editor, a download manager, and I believe some teaching tool for programming in gamedev style

oh, and a vim tutorial

[lethal stump]

Better than getting nothing for it! And not-for-profit orgs wont be charged.

[graceful basin]

is it? You have to have a company, a product page, a way to accept payments, deal with the taxation business of it all, deal with customers, ...

[lethal stump]

I bet I could build a service which takes on that role.

I think everyone should charge for-profit companies for their code. It should be the standard.

[tardy rain]

Dont release it in a permissive license then

Or at all

[graceful basin]

You can't automate customer interaction and taxes

I mean, charging companies for open source software is a moderately common business model

[lethal stump]

I'm going to try to convince everyone else not to also. Most people get nothing back from their MIT code.

[graceful basin]

Qt, That One Cloud MSOffice Clone, RHEL come to mind

GPL was created for this reason

[lethal stump]

Yes, I'd like to see it reach the long tail of developers

[honest star]

Some people just want their code to be used by anyone though, including those companies for free

[tardy rain]

good luck i guess, i dont think you'll get far tbh

[lethal stump]

Thanks for the luck. I wander if the extra income could flatten the wealth gap a bit.

[tardy rain]

wealth gap between what

you think people maintaining/developing these packages are broke?

[lethal stump]

Between megacorps and the average joe

or third world developers

[tardy rain]

the average joe doesnt get to publish code that mega corps use