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silver birch Nov 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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woa

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ok time to do that in a mirror

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 5:25 AM

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graph

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graph

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graph

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 5:26 AM

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joe's graphs has graphs?

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oh nooo

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 5:26 AM

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breh

inland wolf Nov 21, 2021, 5:38 AM

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graphed graphs

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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@wise schooner

wise schooner Nov 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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bruh lol

tribal aurora Nov 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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bruh

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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\😩

wise schooner Nov 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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you can probably get the exact same on win term except you also get tabs

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:54 AM

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with the month I used Windows Terminal, I've not seen anything remotely similar

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but I don't need nor care about the tabs

quartz wing Nov 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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hi

tribal aurora Nov 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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hi

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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latent scaffold <@!612527741501177857>

what is the transparency set to on that terminal?

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it looks nice

tribal aurora Nov 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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alacritty

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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I was asking about the transparency, not the terminal name

tribal aurora Nov 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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well you can set that in alacritty's setting..

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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I'm aware, but I'm wondering what the number is

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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wraith hound what is the transparency set to on that terminal?

0.7

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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tyty

tribal aurora Nov 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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oh you're askin the number ok

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:57 AM

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looks great for everything except this one color lmao

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by color I mean the comments

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and also for some reason micro scrolling is broken on Windows

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shell:
  program: C:\Program Files\PowerShell\7-preview\pwsh.exe
  args:
    - -wd ~
    - -NoLogo

It's stuff like this that I love to mess with in Alacritty

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don't have to mess with the stinky PowerShell profile things

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 5:59 AM

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latent scaffold looks great for everything except this one color lmao

emacs?

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👀

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:59 AM

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That's Micro

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 5:59 AM

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latent scaffold That's Micro

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:59 AM

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emacs is a task to handle another day

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I'm not pro enough of a gamer yet

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:00 AM

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anyway im just kidding

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btw how was micro?

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it is just a nano replacement right?

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:00 AM

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I like Micro, but some of the features are wonky on Windows

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but it's perfect on Linux

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:00 AM

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latent scaffold I like Micro, but some of the features are wonky on Windows

any unix tool is wonky on windows

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Micro's much better than Nano IMO

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:00 AM

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even neovim barely runs perfectly there

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:01 AM

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the keybinds make more sense, it has things like clickable terminal features

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syntax highlighting

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:01 AM

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latent scaffold the keybinds make more sense, it has things like clickable terminal features

im clickable too

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:01 AM

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._.

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:02 AM

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latent scaffold syntax highlighting

the devs for micro i think planned to add lsp extension

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:02 AM

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that's cool

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but I'd only see myself using that for shell scripting

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:03 AM

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i think that makes it modern nano
like how neovim is modern vim

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:03 AM

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vim sounds overhyped, really

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:03 AM

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latent scaffold vim sounds overhyped, really

it is not overhyped. it is just that most unix systems have vi

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:03 AM

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As a user of it daily, vim is overhyped.

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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mild abyss it is not overhyped. it is just that most unix systems have vi

yeah, and most people won't use it beyond something like visudo

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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latent scaffold yeah, and most people won't use it beyond something like visudo

i use sudoedit. eww visudo

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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._.

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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but it's sooo nice to have

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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I only ever try learning it before I go to sleep

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and then I remember why I was putting it off

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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latent scaffold I only ever try learning it before I go to sleep

goodnight!

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 AM

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I must do a quick one line rant: I cannot update winterm to 1.12 on win11 😔

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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Alacritty 😤

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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wraith hound I must do a quick one line rant: I cannot update winterm to 1.12 on win11 😔

use winget and subscribe to dev channel and become sad for more breakages

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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wraith hound I must do a quick one line rant: I cannot update winterm to 1.12 on win11 😔

I can't update to win11 rooHep

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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I might just install winterm preview at this point

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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that's what I've had for a while

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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thick osprey I can't update to win11 <:rooHep:422644912505356289>

what why

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 AM

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but I just completely stopped using it after I switched back to Alacritty

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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latent scaffold but I just completely stopped using it after I switched back to Alacritty

alacruttos

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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mild abyss what why

because my Ryzen 1800x is not supported. rooBlank

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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i dont use alacritty on windows. for me it sucks. but i guess each to their own preferences

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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thick osprey because my Ryzen 1800x is not supported. <:rooBlank:904778894115233853>

F

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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thick osprey because my Ryzen 1800x is not supported. <:rooBlank:904778894115233853>

did you verify with something like "WhyNotW11"? It could possibly just be a TPM thing

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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tpm would be the problem

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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latent scaffold did you verify with something like "WhyNotW11"? It could possibly just be a TPM ...

lots of articles tbh

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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not the processor

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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that's what I'd think

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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even an i3 bad gen can run win11

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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so he can probably just install win11 on his machine. use ventoy hehehehe

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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solemn leaf even an i3 bad gen can run win11

even I can run win11 on my brain

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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you are windows 11

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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TPM? Help me out here. I don't do hardware stuff.

wise schooner Nov 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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latent scaffold with the month I used Windows Terminal, I've not seen anything remotely similar

maybe something like this? idk

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:07 AM

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solemn leaf you are windows 11

the dark side of it. i use a linux os mainly :D

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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ok

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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wise schooner maybe something like this? idk

scoop install neofetch
remove winfetch smh

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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wise schooner maybe something like this? idk

idk, not a huge fan of the lack of contrast

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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thick osprey TPM? Help me out here. I don't do hardware stuff.

i need to know your motherboard

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Y'all rocking some vaperware color themes that are singing to my soul. rooLove

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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that contains the main info ,

wise schooner Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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latent scaffold idk, not a huge fan of the lack of contrast

you can change it, i just meant that it's possible lol

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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solemn leaf i need to know your motherboard

MSI Carbon something something digs for notes

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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me still using windows 11 rust ™️

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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wise schooner you can change it, i just meant that it's possible lol

I prefer the pure transparency in this case ¯_(ツ)_/¯

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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solemn leaf me still using windows 11 rust ™️

banned for not activating Windows

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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activated

wise schooner Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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latent scaffold I prefer the pure transparency in this case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i can't make it transparent without acrylic blur :(

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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I might really really have a thing for 80s vaperware

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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latent scaffold banned for not activating Windows

i am using dev channel

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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solemn leaf i am using dev channel

huh. has that always been there?

wise schooner Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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thick osprey I might really ***really*** have a thing for 80s vaperware

looks epic

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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solemn leaf me still using windows 11 rust ™️

same i plan to download stable version once exam ends

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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wise schooner i can't make it transparent without acrylic blur :(

you need just "opacity" and make sure you're on 1.12

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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maybe I'm crazy

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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I just had that issue

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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latent scaffold banned for not activating Windows

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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latent scaffold huh. has that always been there?

yes

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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wack

wise schooner Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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wraith hound you need just `"opacity"` and make sure you're on 1.12

i'm probably not on it

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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latent scaffold banned for not activating Windows

?? that is activated though

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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actually i switched the windows 11 insider and since then not able to transfer to the stable

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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I thought that only showed up when you weren't activated

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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solemn leaf actually i switched the windows 11 insider and since then not able to transfer t...

they did warn us

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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but sadly, I need a background color and an opacity on that, no pure transparency 😔

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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no it does show when you are an insider tester

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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solemn leaf that contains the _main_ info ,

X370 Carbon (MS-7A32) is the mobo

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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mild abyss they did warn us

yes and i fucked up

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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solemn leaf yes and i fucked up

so i guess we will redownload a media iso.. idk how much gigs.. but im pretty sure it is around 20

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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thick osprey X370 Carbon (MS-7A32) is the mobo

that does have tpm , all you need to do is FREAKIMNG ENABLE IT IN BIOS

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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solemn leaf that does have tpm , all you need to do is FREAKIMNG ENABLE IT IN BIOS

rooBooli

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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time to spam F2

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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This is hard... hardware is dumb

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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thick osprey <:rooBooli:814619316888666143>

bonk bonk bonk bonk @low chasms

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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aboo more like "aRoo"

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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ooh this transparent-ish terminal is nice. me likey

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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mild abyss so i guess we will redownload a media iso.. idk how much gigs.. but im pretty su...

😔

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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wraith hound ooh this transparent-ish terminal is nice. me likey

well don't be shy

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show us

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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thick osprey <:rooBooli:814619316888666143>

wanna enable it now 👀 letsdothis

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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What is TPM though? Trusted Platform Module? (best guess)

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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yes

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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latent scaffold show us

what is there to show

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Groovy, that will be my project next weekend then. rooDuckDance

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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wraith hound what is there to show

a winfetch 💫

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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your mobo is there but

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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neofetch is the best I've got

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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oop

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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Yeah, the 1800x isn't listed either

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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Because "why not"

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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nvm

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my bad

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\😢

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 AM

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Hey, I learned that TPM is something in my bios. That's a win

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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wraith hound

hm... too transparent or your font is just too small

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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yes it is

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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No new WSL for me yet.

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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thick osprey Hey, I learned that TPM is something in my bios. That's a win

you can even enable tpm and give it a try

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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latent scaffold hm... too transparent or your font is just too small

I only ever actually overlay my terminal over my similarly colored vscode, so the transparency looks a bit darker there

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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wack

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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I think I will. Next weekend though. Too much going on this weekend for messing with bios and things.

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:14 AM

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@thick osprey spam del key while restarting pc then

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:15 AM

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makes me wonder why some BIOS have TPM disabled

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:15 AM

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Last time I did that I bricked my mobo for a day until my partner could reset the bios.

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:15 AM

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you are 3-4 linus tech tips videos away to be a hardware geek

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thats what i did lmfao

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Them: What did you do?
Me: I just installed the new bios update!
Them: what did you do?!
Me: rooBooli

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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latent scaffold makes me wonder why some BIOS have TPM disabled

same for me

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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thick osprey Them: What did you do? Me: I just installed the new bios update! Them: ***what d...

this makes me sad

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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thick osprey Them: What did you do? Me: I just installed the new bios update! Them: ***what d...

sadsuuu

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want some hugs?

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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solemn leaf this makes me sad

Made me sad too. I wanted to play a game and couldn't.

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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nvm your partner will become jealous

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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:pandahug:

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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I've never updated my BIOS I don't think

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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But then they fixed it and all is good.

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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if I have... Windows Update has done it for me

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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imma hug you both instead uwu

wraith hound Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 AM

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I never touch my bios myself

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:17 AM

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updating bios is nightmare when you receive frequent power cuts in your area

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update -> power cut -> ups down -> mother board dead lol

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:17 AM

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latent scaffold I've never updated my BIOS I don't think

i wont update my bios. smh i will flash it with coreboot or libreboot once this laptop becomes older than my grandchild

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:17 AM

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I updated the bios on my work laptop once. That was a nice two days off while they shipped me a new one rooDerp Something something bitlocker and incorrect keys.

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:17 AM

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oh god

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bitlocker

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:17 AM

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I am but a humble midware engineer. I know nothing of these things.

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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are you eeemployed egg or student egg 👀

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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latent scaffold bitlocker

buttlocker.... windows

thick osprey Nov 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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solemn leaf are you eeemployed egg or student egg 👀

employed. Been a long time since I was an actual student.

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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dam

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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smh flatpak fonts broke

last mantle Nov 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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solemn leaf

can install win 11 tho

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 6:18 AM

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yeah i think so

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 6:46 AM

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solemn leaf

get linux

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 7:34 AM

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sup

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Hi

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social credit + 500?

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lol your pfp still so hilarious

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sup

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 7:43 AM

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hello
send rust halp
code: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ozatoqofif.rust?noredirect
error:

❯ cargo bench
   Compiling prime_factorization v0.1.0 (E:\prime_factorization)
error[E0554]: `#![feature]` may not be used on the stable release channel
 --> src\main.rs:1:1
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1 | #![feature(test)]
  | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

error: aborting due to previous error

For more information about this error, try `rustc --explain E0554`.
error: could not compile `prime_factorization`

To learn more, run the command again with --verbose.

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 7:44 AM

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@low chasm help the man

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 7:44 AM

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am i supposed to use nightly or something

last mantle Nov 21, 2021, 7:44 AM

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lol

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 7:44 AM

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WAKE THE FUCK UP RUST BOY

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YOUR TIME IS NOW

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 7:44 AM

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lol

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caps

last mantle Nov 21, 2021, 7:44 AM

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@eager cliff any fun projs to work on in C?

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 7:45 AM

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https://github.com/antropez/ctools
make data structures like me.

GitHub

GitHub - antropez/ctools: A collection of libraries, data structure...

A collection of libraries, data structures, and more that I have created to make coding in C less painful. - GitHub - antropez/ctools: A collection of libraries, data structures, and more that I ha...

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or maybe a JSON parser.

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i have yet to finish mine.

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https://github.com/antropez/ctools/tree/trunk/ctjson

last mantle Nov 21, 2021, 7:45 AM

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hm

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okay

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 7:46 AM

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JSON parsers are really fun to make.

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 7:46 AM

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nvm i fixed it

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had to do cargo +nightly bench

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poggers julia is as fast as rust

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5ms faster even

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 7:48 AM

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holyshit

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it is?

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 7:48 AM

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that almost doesn't sound right

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 7:59 AM

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eager cliff it is?

yep

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python is (unsurprisingly) around 30x slower lol

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python: 1.16 s ± 44 ms per loop
rust: 37,636,430 ns/iter
julia: 32.238 ms (4 allocations: 608 bytes)

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:07 AM

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acoustic moss python: `1.16 s ± 44 ms per loop` rust: `37,636,430 ns/iter` julia: `32.238 ms (...

um... wouldn't this mean Rust is like 1,000x faster or am I crazy

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wtf nvm I can't do math

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:07 AM

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37 million ns is 37ms

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:07 AM

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yes

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I wonder why Rust would be slow

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why not just time everything?

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although... this would assume you have access to something like time... I don't think Windows has something preinstalled, so you'd need to use something else

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:10 AM

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powershell has a MeasureCommand

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:11 AM

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actually apparently PowerShell has time

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but... there's no info about it

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:12 AM

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❯ time
time : The term 'time' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or
if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.

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cmd has a time but thats for like
changing the system time

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:12 AM

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oh wtf I must've installed something from scoop

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scoop install time 🥴

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❯ time
InvalidOperation: C:\Users\56mik\scoop\apps\time\current\time.ps1:7
Line |
   7 |  & $cmd @args
     |    ~~~~
     | The expression after '&' in a pipeline element produced an
     | object that was not valid. It must result in a command name, a
     | script block, or a CommandInfo object.

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:13 AM

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lol

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:13 AM

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idk how tf Measure-Command works

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Good lord CLI on Windows is dumb as heck

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 8:13 AM

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help measure gives doc

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

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❯ Measure-Command {sleep 2}


Days              : 0
Hours             : 0
Minutes           : 0
Seconds           : 2
Milliseconds      : 17
Ticks             : 20176953
TotalDays         : 2.33529548611111E-05
TotalHours        : 0.000560470916666667
TotalMinutes      : 0.033628255
TotalSeconds      : 2.0176953
TotalMilliseconds : 2017.6953

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

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this literally doesn't help me understand at all what it does

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

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acoustic moss ``` ❯ Measure-Command {sleep 2} Days : 0 Hours : 0 Mi...

wtf

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

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lol

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:14 AM

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How do you even see that

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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see what

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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like

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what to fucking type lmao

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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❯ Measure-Command {echo 'ok'}


Days              : 0
Hours             : 0
Minutes           : 0
Seconds           : 0
Milliseconds      : 5
Ticks             : 55718
TotalDays         : 6.44884259259259E-08
TotalHours        : 1.54772222222222E-06
TotalMinutes      : 9.28633333333333E-05
TotalSeconds      : 0.0055718
TotalMilliseconds : 5.5718

lol

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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idk lol i probably learnt it from a SO answer

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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INPUTS
    System.Management.Automation.PSObject

Thank you PowerShell, very informative

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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lo

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:15 AM

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I totally would've gotten {echo foo} from this

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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i still dont have ligatures enabled smh

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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there's not even any examples

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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time to do

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:16 AM

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and help is very hard to navigate

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like it looks like you have to use the enter key to move down

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and this is what happens when you reach the end

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idk how people can stand this

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also frankly this prompt is ugly but >:(

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is there a way to have wsl start automatically on Windows so I can just set that as my shell for Alacritty

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:23 AM

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why not just use linux lol

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:24 AM

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acoustic moss why not just use linux lol

-_-

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cause I'm fed up with dealing with my NVIDIA drivers

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they literally never work and I'm tired of switching between systems constantly

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I program and I game and I hate having to choose between them

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 8:25 AM

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F

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 8:25 AM

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oh well

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I want to wipe my drive again

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this is so annoying 😔

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nothing feels right

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this is annoying. Why most both operating systems be such a pain in the ass

tranquil orchid Nov 21, 2021, 9:10 AM

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Anything else you've done?

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 9:28 AM

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jack

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 9:49 AM

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?

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 9:56 AM

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mild abyss ?

HAHA

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finally

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uncomfyhalomacro

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says "?" to me!

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 9:59 AM

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hmmm sure

broken dew Nov 21, 2021, 10:51 AM

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@lime maple I don't actually know what a keylogger is for. Why is it bad?

lime maple Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 AM

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broken dew <@!837178190023622736> I don't actually know what a keylogger is for. Why is it ...

A keylogger is used to steal passwords, if a user clicks on a link and it's a keylogger.... Every single key he presses will be logged

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 AM

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broken dew <@!837178190023622736> I don't actually know what a keylogger is for. Why is it ...

Imagine you're logging into a website... and well... I'm sure you can see the problem

broken dew Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 AM

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ah I see

lime maple Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 AM

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And they can see the password

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 11:16 AM

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among us?

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 11:24 AM

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insightful

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 11:30 AM

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rough sapphire among us?

no among them

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nice

graceful iris Nov 21, 2021, 2:31 PM

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no i like graph

low chasm Nov 21, 2021, 2:31 PM

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latent scaffold I wonder why Rust would be slow

Because your compiling it in debug mode

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 2:31 PM

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low chasm Because your compiling it in debug mode

that was my theory but I dunno

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Cc @acoustic moss, it's his benchmark

low chasm Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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acoustic moss hello send rust halp code: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ozatoqofif.rust?nored...

You should be on nightly

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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im running cargo bench

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i am

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i figured it out

low chasm Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Ok

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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and cargo bench runs optimisations

low chasm Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Ah

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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i hope

low chasm Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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eager cliff WAKE THE FUCK UP RUST BOY

It was 2 am

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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excuses

low chasm Nov 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Lies

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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THE RUST BOY IS AWAKE

low chasm Nov 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Yes

solemn leaf Nov 21, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Lays

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Lays lies while lieing in the Layman's house😔

mild abyss Nov 21, 2021, 2:41 PM

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low chasm Yes

nice. added to my aboo's quotes and sayings list

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ghost ping smh

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:41 PM

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I am joining the rust crew with AoC this year

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Going to actually learn it finally

honest star Nov 21, 2021, 5:42 PM

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frozen coral I am joining the rust crew with AoC this year

let me know how it goes!

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:42 PM

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honest star let me know how it goes!

I'm hoping my C knowledge helps?

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but I have no idea aboutt he syntax of rust lol

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:42 PM

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frozen coral I'm hoping my C knowledge helps?

oh for sure

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although Rust is more like C++

honest star Nov 21, 2021, 5:43 PM

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I know a few staffers are hopping on the rust train, so if you need help definitely bug f1re

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Yea I mostly do cpp & c for work

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behind python ofc

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:43 PM

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It's kinda... Rust's got a lot of things you really won't see anywhere else

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there are some things for me that were very confusing to understand coming from Python

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the most confusing things will end up being lifetimes, a lot of other stuff you'll probably recognize from C/C++/Python

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:44 PM

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I've got quite high hopes on the whole multi-threading aspect

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could be incredibly useful at work

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

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From what little I remember of messing with threads in Rust, it was quite fun

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Yea from what I understand from rust it's the main selling point

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low level similar to cpp but with really nice threading support

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 5:46 PM

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ye ye rust is cool and all but have you seen julia

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:46 PM

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lol

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Rust has changed me in the way I code tbh

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hooked on the type-safety high

honest star Nov 21, 2021, 5:46 PM

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acoustic moss ye ye rust is cool and all but have you seen julia

okay but julia indexes at 1

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 5:46 PM

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0 indexing is a lie invented by C programmers

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they have taken us for absolute fools

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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honest star okay but julia indexes at 1

class List(object):

    def __init__(self, items: list) -> None:
        self.items = items

    def __repr__(self) -> str:
        return '{}({})'.format(self.__class__.__name__, self.items)

    def __len__(self) -> int:
        return len(self.items)

    def __contains__(self, item: any) -> bool:
        return item in self.items

    def __getitem__(self, key: int) -> any:
        return self.items[key - 1]

    def __setitem__(self, key: int, value: any) -> None:
        self.items[key - 1] = value

    def __delitem__(self, key: int) -> None:
        del self.items[key - 1]

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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oh no

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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what am i looking at

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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superior lists

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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cover your eyes hsp

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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oh

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lmao

frozen coral Nov 21, 2021, 5:48 PM

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would probably be better subclassing collections.abc.MutableSequence but I cba lol

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 5:48 PM

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or just inherit from list

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wcgw

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:49 PM

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here was me using ~ to pretend to have negative 0 indexes

broken dew Nov 21, 2021, 5:49 PM

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acoustic moss or just inherit from `list`

Or from collections.UserList, which would shorten the code

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 5:49 PM

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assert "abc"[~0] == "c"

acoustic moss Nov 21, 2021, 5:49 PM

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is there a UserList too 🤔

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oh there is, i thought it was just Dict and String

karmic gust Nov 21, 2021, 5:56 PM

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users need lists too

sterile grail Nov 21, 2021, 5:56 PM

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latent scaffold ```py assert "abc"[~0] == "c" ```

ah yes, my favorite -0

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since python inverts integers like -x - 1

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Well that's because of 2's complement

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And I can't stress enough just how convenient it is for reverse indexing

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:00 PM

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round rose And I can't stress enough just how convenient it is for reverse indexing

You mean the ~?

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:01 PM

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yeah

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collection[i] == [*reversed(collection)][~i]

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I love this to death

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:03 PM

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yeah idk I don't ever see it used much, idk how "appropriate" it is

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but then again I never see ~ anywhere else

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I thought it was supposed to be Bitwise NOT, but...

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nvm idk how bits work

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how's that even work :faint:

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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It is exactly bitwise not

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And that's why it's equivalent to -i-1

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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uh...

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Two's complement is the notation for negative numbers that allows generalizing addition and subtraction

gritty zinc Nov 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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I kinda hate bitwise operations in Python, because I think it's very confusing what the result of them is when the int in question is arbitrary-sized.

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Wait so how is ~ useful outside of indexing

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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All the bits are flipped, and then 1 is added. This converts to and from two's complement

gritty zinc Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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like... what's the bitwise inverse of 0? an int composed of an infinite number of 1s?

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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latent scaffold Wait so how is `~` useful outside of indexing

Not much

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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gritty zinc like... what's the bitwise inverse of `0`? an int composed of an infinite number...

yeah

gritty zinc Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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😩

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Just like 0 is composed of an infinite number of 0s

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 PM

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gritty zinc like... what's the bitwise inverse of `0`? an int composed of an infinite number...

-1 apparently 😔 not that i understand why that is

gritty zinc Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 PM

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because an infinite amount of ones is, in two's complement, -1 😔

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Because the most significant bit has to be 1

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Idk, I find it simpler than in other languages to be fair

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I don't have to stress about just how many bits exactly the integer is comprised of and treat is an infinite bit buffer

graceful basin Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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a real example is unsetting the second bit using a&=~(1<<1)

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Ah yes, sigil soup

latent scaffold Nov 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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yummy.....

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 PM

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As clever as that is, I think I'll stick to ^=

graceful basin Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 PM

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that doesn't work though

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that flips the bit

round rose Nov 21, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Not if you mask it with the original
(I'll ignore the fact that it might be even worse sigil soup)

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 11:21 PM

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HEY KIDS

#

WANT TO SEE A SHARED MEMORY MUTEX?

#

    /* Setup shared memory and new mutex */
    memory_key = ftok(mutex, 0);
    new_server.mutex_id = shmget(memory_key, sizeof(pthread_mutex_t), 0644 | IPC_CREAT);
    new_server.mutex = shmat(new_server.mutex_id, NULL, 0);

    pthread_mutexattr_init(&attribute);
    pthread_mutexattr_setpshared(&attribute, PTHREAD_PROCESS_SHARED);
    pthread_mutex_init(new_server.mutex, &attribute);

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this will be on the exam.

tardy rain Nov 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Im skipping class

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/uuuua-auuuu-hand-flipped-gif-16719355

Tenor

rough sapphire Nov 21, 2021, 11:35 PM

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you know C...

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we get it

eager cliff Nov 21, 2021, 11:37 PM

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and who might you be

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🥴

#

honestly that is probably a good thing.

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this is probably infinitely cleaner in Python. @_@

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actually i wonder if you can setup shared memory mutexes in Python?

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https://docs.python.org/3/library/multiprocessing.shared_memory.html

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oh wow you can o_O

vapid nymph Nov 22, 2021, 12:01 AM

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round rose As clever as that is, I think I'll stick to `^=`

docs on ^=?

frozen coral Nov 22, 2021, 12:34 AM

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vapid nymph docs on ^=?

That's dunder ixor

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It's a bitwise xor and assign

rough sapphire Nov 22, 2021, 2:42 AM

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health... hekcs?

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hekcs?

random cipher Nov 22, 2021, 2:49 AM

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HOW TO know if a thing is True in real life

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with data science

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Oh, that's a tricky one. You need to define truth, and philosophy is still working on that.

random cipher Nov 22, 2021, 2:54 AM

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boolean true

karmic gust Nov 22, 2021, 3:02 AM

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have you tried a real life if-block?

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Not sure, but I did meet a tree at a decent speed. Not recommended

karmic gust Nov 22, 2021, 3:06 AM

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got all your parts?

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Just missing some surface treatments, nothing major. First and second mountain bike crash today so my left side is feeling real good

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:10 AM

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I feel like that last part is a lie

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:10 AM

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heath hex

wraith hound Nov 22, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Are you okay?

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Yeah for sure. Knee and ankle hurts when walking but I'll be good 👍

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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im just braindead after taking 80 items of virology trivia that i will remember...

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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dapper dew Yeah for sure. Knee and ankle hurts when walking but I'll be good 👍

what happened to u

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Knee is raw though so that's the major pain point

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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dapper dew Not sure, but I did meet a tree at a decent speed. Not recommended

this

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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LOL goodness u r okay

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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I feel like mentioning it, if you haven't been told this, but the goal of mountain biking is to avoid the trees. rooLove

#

I am glad that you are okay.

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:12 AM

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thick osprey I feel like mentioning it, if you haven't been told this, but the goal of mounta...

the goal of mountain biking is biking in the mountains :)

#

🥴🥴🥴

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:12 AM

#

Co-worker took a spill the other week and snapped his arm.

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:12 AM

#

thick osprey Co-worker took a spill the other week and snapped his arm.

F...

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:13 AM

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I'm all in one piece, just scraped and bruised

rough sapphire Nov 22, 2021, 3:13 AM

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thick osprey Co-worker took a spill the other week and snapped his arm.

why do you hurt people ?

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:13 AM

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dapper dew I'm all in one piece, just scraped and bruised

Good rooLove

rough sapphire Nov 22, 2021, 3:13 AM

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thick osprey Good <:rooLove:847959250297815081>

do you support lgbtq ?

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Yes.

rough sapphire Nov 22, 2021, 3:13 AM

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ok

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:14 AM

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i do too

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thats why i dont use brave

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🥴

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but seriously thats one of the reasons

rough sapphire Nov 22, 2021, 3:14 AM

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well I am neutral I do not support and hate or hurt them

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:14 AM

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It's not the speed that will hurt you, but rather coming rapidly to a stop

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:14 AM

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dapper dew It's not the speed that will hurt you, but rather coming rapidly to a stop

oof!

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Lol

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:15 AM

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rough sapphire well I am neutral I do not support and hate or hurt them

neutral usually means you have to choose a side 🥱 in my experience, neutrality has more problems but that is just me

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:15 AM

#

You can see where the second crash is too not too long after that. Hard clay and dried leaves are apparently a tricky combo

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:15 AM

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Brad ninety four at ninety-four: "And here you can see the spike when I hit my first tree." swipes through their phone, fondness in their eyes

rough sapphire Nov 22, 2021, 3:15 AM

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mild abyss neutral usually means you have to choose a side 🥱 in my experience, neutrality ...

ha ha

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 3:17 AM

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thick osprey Brad ninety four at ninety-four: "And here you can see the spike when I hit my f...

.bm Read when Wholesomeness is Needed

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:17 AM

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rough sapphire ha ha

im not joking tho but i wont force u 😂

#

why u fake laugh 😂 it's not even a joke

shut ermine Nov 22, 2021, 3:18 AM

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bringing topic up to say that is sus

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:18 AM

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hmm... 22:17 and I haven't started writing. Gonna put discord away and do what I need to do rooDerp

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:18 AM

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im just going to end the topic here lol

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:18 AM

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thick osprey hmm... 22:17 and I haven't started writing. Gonna put discord away and do what ...

stop

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stop doing

wraith hound Nov 22, 2021, 3:18 AM

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good luck with your writing!

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:19 AM

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jk goodluck too

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Oh I just realized... I also use dark mode in scrivener. That's two full apps I use dark mode rooPog

#

Weird that when writing code or stories... dark mode is the choice. But reading and working it's all light mode.

mild abyss Nov 22, 2021, 3:20 AM

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working in light mode is for me somewhat better during the day

viscid spruce Nov 22, 2021, 3:43 AM

#

!code

royal lakeBOT Nov 22, 2021, 3:43 AM

#

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

thick osprey Nov 22, 2021, 4:03 PM

#

Is this python or html?

#

So tabs? You want a tab that displays what you have now, with "Pets" being a different tab with different info to display?

#

Well I am a very long time from doing css work but you can achieve this in two ways.

a little js magic to show/hide <div>s
Pure css trickery: https://codepen.io/renatorib/pen/rlpfj

https://newtodesign.com/html-css-tabs/ This looks like a great set of examples that isn't w3schools vvSmug

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((in and out of work so I might be delayed in responding))

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.bm 912374730584121395 I need this for work... actually

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:24 PM

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sheesh. 150 lines just for this

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:25 PM

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jquery 🤮

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Eyy

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Although I admit it does look pretty nice

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:25 PM

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So, need some advice

#

What should I learn? PHP or Javascript?

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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oh god

#

Which of the two evils

#

definitely the latter

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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PHP is not fun

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Is there a reason for that or

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

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JS is a language with much larger potential, and is nicer to work with (even though it's JS)

#

I strongly recommend you learn TS

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It's a superset of JS with optional typing, which makes it bearable

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

#

speaking of which

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I should one day delve deeper into Nim

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Typescript

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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it transpiles into JS AFAIK... so that seems cool

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Well, ok

#

I'll add both to the list

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Yeah, it's transformed to JS code before execution

#

But the enhanced workflow you get from using TS is incredible, fuck raw JS

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:29 PM

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idk how people manage to program in some of these languages and like it tbh

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:29 PM

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So basically, it's a better javascript

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:29 PM

#

yes

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Ok then, scratch java

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:29 PM

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JavaScript but tolerable

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:29 PM

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If you learn TS, you'll automatically learn JS

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Me, who can only preach what other people say

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Because JS is a subset of TS

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:30 PM

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wish it was like that for Kotlin and Java 😔

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 4:30 PM

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And frankly the vice versa also mostly applies

#

Because it's like python with and without typehints

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(sort of)

mystic drift Nov 22, 2021, 4:31 PM

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thx

#

luv u

latent scaffold Nov 22, 2021, 4:32 PM

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damn. the real Venti

rough sapphire Nov 22, 2021, 6:51 PM

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thoughts on crypto?

dapper dew Nov 22, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Legal pump and dump

honest star Nov 22, 2021, 7:04 PM

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virtual beanie babies

karmic gust Nov 22, 2021, 7:30 PM

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beanie babies have use-value

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:34 PM

#

@tribal aurora

#

here

#

ot0 is bisy

#

busy

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:34 PM

#

ye

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:34 PM

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You don't ever need a third party crate

#

and the stdlib isn't useless

#

You haven't quite explained why you think its useless

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:36 PM

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low chasm You don't ever need a third party crate

alr so for everything you need to implement it yourself

#

it's like python where you just import random, time...

#

you have to implement random youreslf

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:36 PM

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uh, rust has an stdlib

#

just because one thing isn't in the stdlib, doesn't mean its useless

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:36 PM

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I shouldn't have said useless

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:36 PM

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mhm

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:36 PM

#

useless is not the correct word

#

but

#

still

#

you have to implement them yourself

#

and in competetive programming it will be so difficult

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:37 PM

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and if your realistically using rust as a first language in a class, they're going to allow you access to third party crates

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:37 PM

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tribal aurora and in competetive programming it will be so difficult

why

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:37 PM

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and using rust doesn't even make a single bit sense

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cuz it would take you lotta time

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:37 PM

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how so?

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:37 PM

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bruh

#

i just said it 3 times

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:38 PM

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I mean, if you cant use third party libs in comp programming, same goes for any langauge

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:38 PM

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low chasm and if your realistically using rust as a first language in a class, they're goi...

and that person said they're gonna do that

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:38 PM

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huh?

#

they're using python

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:39 PM

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in many schools, you cannot even install packages because the computers are restricted

#

ik, i said it would be nonsense to use rust there

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:39 PM

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but why

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it has an stdlib

#

not having random doesn't make it useless

#

and if your really using rust, I'm sure they'll give you access to crates

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:40 PM

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assume they're not gonna do that

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:40 PM

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why?

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:40 PM

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just assuming

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:40 PM

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I mean, they're also assuming that schools dont give you access

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with nothing really to support it

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I've done programming in school, they gave us fine access

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:41 PM

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idc
i'm just saying if you can't use third-party crates rust would be useless

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and you're saying it has stdlib

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:42 PM

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tribal aurora idc i'm just saying if you can't use third-party crates rust would be useless

Why would it be useless

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Not having random doesn't make it useless

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and thats the only example you've given

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:42 PM

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random is just an example

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:42 PM

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what other examples?

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:42 PM

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um

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i have to think about it

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:42 PM

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mhm

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without further examples, thjis isn't disproving my point

tribal aurora Nov 22, 2021, 7:44 PM

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i mean i haven't really used third-party, so it's pretty normal that i don't know

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Rust does have a relatively small stdlib

#

But thats not really a bad thing

#

a lot of functionality is left up to third party libs, but that doesn't make it useless

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:06 PM

#

@low chasm

#

https://github.com/stevenlovegrove/Pangolin

GitHub

GitHub - stevenlovegrove/Pangolin: Pangolin is a lightweight portab...

Pangolin is a lightweight portable rapid development library for managing OpenGL display / interaction and abstracting video input. - GitHub - stevenlovegrove/Pangolin: Pangolin is a lightweight po...

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I'm following this

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:06 PM

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And what error do you get

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:07 PM

#

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:07 PM

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!paste mind using something like this? I can't zoom into the message

royal lakeBOT Nov 22, 2021, 8:07 PM

#

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:08 PM

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low chasm !paste mind using something like this? I can't zoom into the message

https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/luceqatoge.coffeescript

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:08 PM

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you seem to be on windows

#

do you have a C compiler installed

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If so, which one

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You might have to set the generator manually with the -G flag as well

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:13 PM

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low chasm do you have a C compiler installed

mingw?

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does that count?

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:14 PM

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yes

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Maybe try doing cmake.exe -G "MinGW Makefiles"

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:19 PM

#

where?

#

`CMake Warning:
No source or binary directory provided. Both will be assumed to be the
same as the current working directory, but note that this warning will
become a fatal error in future CMake releases.

CMake Error: The source directory "C:/Users/moore/Pangolin/build" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
Specify --help for usage, or press the help button on the CMake GUI.`

#

I get this

#

@low chasm

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:31 PM

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you need to be in the directory with the cmakelists.txt

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

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how do I do that?

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

#

uh

#

what directory is the cmakelists.txt in

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the file, CMakeLists.txt

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

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it's in Pangolin

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

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then go to that directory

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and run the command tehre

rustic rune Nov 22, 2021, 8:33 PM

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ok did it

#

when I go back to build, this happens:
`C:\Users\moore\Pangolin>cd build

C:\Users\moore\Pangolin\build>cmake ..
CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:15 (message):
Source build detected: please use a subdir. You may remove
'CMakeCache.txt' and 'CMakeFiles'.

-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
See also "C:/Users/moore/Pangolin/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".

C:\Users\moore\Pangolin\build>`

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@low chasm

#

Alright, I removed it but I get this:

#

CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:3 (project):
The CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER:

cl

is not a full path and was not found in the PATH.

To use the NMake generator with Visual C++, cmake must be run from a shell
that can use the compiler cl from the command line. This environment is
unable to invoke the cl compiler. To fix this problem, run cmake from the
Visual Studio Command Prompt (vcvarsall.bat).

Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment
variable "CXX" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to the full path
to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH.

-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
See also "C:/Users/moore/Pangolin/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
See also "C:/Users/moore/Pangolin/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log".

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@low chasm

low chasm Nov 22, 2021, 8:39 PM

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hm

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I'm not quite sure whats happening, sorry

plucky ridge Nov 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Anyone know if there's an equivalent to something like https://javascript.info but for TypeScript?

The Modern JavaScript Tutorial

wraith hound Nov 22, 2021, 9:42 PM

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As an intro to TypeScript with a knowledge of JavaScript, or from scratch?

plucky ridge Nov 22, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Either

#

I'm more thinking just something that's as well laid out as that one is

wraith hound Nov 22, 2021, 9:43 PM

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For the former, the docs have a decent handbook-intro-thing, but for the latter, I don't know of any. You really don't need one though, since it's just JS with python-like enforced type hints.

plucky ridge Nov 22, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Yeah I suppose

round rose Nov 22, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Yeah, it's pretty much like python VS python with typehints, so the handbook they provide with their docs should cover most if not all things you should know

plucky ridge Nov 22, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Fair enough.

mild abyss Nov 23, 2021, 1:11 AM

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so.. installing nvidia manually is better hmmm also Xorg is broken

scenic blaze Nov 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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6 passed, 69 warnings in 722.61s (0:12:02) That is all

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This is the output to my pytest, haha

thick osprey Nov 23, 2021, 2:48 AM

#

rooNice

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 2:52 AM

#

roo

#

i want angry roo dance thingy

dry flume Nov 23, 2021, 3:14 AM

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@last mantle nickname policy #rules

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 3:15 AM

#

there

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 3:28 AM

#

Guys just found swift, its just strongly typed and oop encoruaging alternative of python that compiles to native code! correct me if i am wrong

mild abyss Nov 23, 2021, 3:38 AM

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yes yes

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apple

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🍎 🍏

rough sapphire Nov 23, 2021, 4:25 AM

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alpine edge Guys just found swift, its just strongly typed and oop encoruaging alternative o...

lol from the 100 seconds video?

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 4:29 AM

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rough sapphire lol from the 100 seconds video?

Yes! haha

quartz ermine Nov 23, 2021, 7:55 AM

#

alpine edge Guys just found swift, its just strongly typed and oop encoruaging alternative o...

"alternative to Python"? are you sure

shut ermine Nov 23, 2021, 8:04 AM

#

I'm all triangles checkmate libs

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 8:10 AM

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quartz ermine "alternative to Python"? are you sure

No, thats why i asked to correct me if i am wrong

rough sapphire Nov 23, 2021, 8:46 AM

#

hm

dire siren Nov 23, 2021, 9:01 AM

#

@shadow jetty hello, sorry for the ping,
how can i rotate a Sprite?
i'm trying to make a doom like game with nurses_2,
i want to show hands holding weapon,
i don't know if there are any other ways besides sprite,
or are widgets stackable? thank you

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 9:42 AM

#

alpine edge Guys just found swift, its just strongly typed and oop encoruaging alternative o...

alternative of python
How's it more an alternative of python than, like, any other language?

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 9:46 AM

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shut ermine I'm all triangles checkmate libs

checkmate, libraries

urban tree Nov 23, 2021, 9:48 AM

#

        public static void multipress(string id, int dur)
        {
            var exiting = new Ref<bool>(false);
            Async.Start(() =>
            {
                for (int i = 0; i < dur; ++i)
                    waitOneFrame();
                exiting.t = true;
            });
            while (!exiting.t)
            {
                press(id);
                Async.Await();
            }
        }

This is my code.
I would like to add a feature as if key S is pressed and hold
The code could be paused while holding the key
And continue if the key is released.

shadow jetty Nov 23, 2021, 10:23 AM

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dire siren <@!431341013479718912> hello, sorry for the ping, how can i rotate a `Sprite`? i...

for hands holding a weapon, don't use a sprite, just a graphic widget placed in front of the raycaster would do the trick, you can even animate it

dire siren Nov 23, 2021, 10:32 AM

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shadow jetty for hands holding a weapon, don't use a sprite, just a graphic widget placed in ...

sounds good, i'll do that, thanks

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 11:29 AM

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what peak performance looks like, apparently

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 11:34 AM

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not bad

#

what is it?

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 11:35 AM

#

MPIR

#

I just considered installing it to get some fast arithmetic but, mmm...
https://stackoverflow.com/a/49822450

Stack Overflow

Having problems installing MPIR on Windows in Visual Studio?

For the past 3 days, I've been trying to get libraries built in VS2017 on Windows 7 and here is what I was able to come up with:
If you are having issues getting MPIR working with Visual Studio 20...

#

the length of that installation guide kinda scared me off

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 11:37 AM

#

mpir momenr

#

I'm not gonna bother fixing that

tribal aurora Nov 23, 2021, 11:39 AM

#

plucky ridge Anyone know if there's an equivalent to something like https://javascript.info b...

woah this is cool

#

but i don't code in js

#

i want other languages 🥲

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:12 PM

#

hm
in rust how do i keep a loop variable around in scope even after the loop ends
like

for foo in bar {
}
println!("{}", foo);

#

i tried doing let mut foo; before the loop but it doesnt help

#

probably gets shadowed or something

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:16 PM

#

You could do something ugly like

for el in bar {
    foo = el;
}
println!("{}", foo);

#

~~LLVM will optimize it anyway, they chanted~~

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:16 PM

#

yeah my actual use case is that i'm enumerating over something and potentially breaking, and i'd like to get the last index
i could just do c = 0 outside and c += 1 inside

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:17 PM

#

You could also do

let it = bar.iter();
let mut i;
let mut foo;
loop{
    if let Some((ind, el)) = it.next(){
        i, foo = (ind, el);
    }
    else{
        break;
    }
}

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

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god

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im sticking to the c += 1

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:20 PM

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ah, you know one reason it's not easily possible, by the way?

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because bar can be empty, making el uninitialized

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and you can't have that in Rust

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:21 PM

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hm

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:22 PM

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gritty zinc > alternative of python How's it more an alternative of python than, like, any ...

Almost same syntax, same purpose, similar libraries

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:22 PM

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idk about syntax but they definitely don't serve the same purpose

#

swift is primarily for iOS apps

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:23 PM

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I don't think Swift's syntax is at all similar

#

it's closer to something like C, JS or Java, really. Mostly JS

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

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acoustic moss swift is primarily for iOS apps

Thats an additional functionality, but it can have same purpose as python, general purpose language with ios support

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

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i've never heard of anyone doing ML/DS or writing web backends in swift

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

#

gritty zinc I don't think Swift's syntax is at all similar

imo its just python with a strict type inference

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:28 PM

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acoustic moss i've never heard of anyone doing ML/DS or writing web backends in swift

https://developer.apple.com/machine-learning/
https://github.com/apple/swift-nio

i dont really support apple but theres that

Apple Developer

Machine Learning - Apple Developer

Create intelligent features and enable new experiences for your apps by leveraging powerful on-device machine learning.

GitHub

GitHub - apple/swift-nio: Event-driven network application framewor...

Event-driven network application framework for high performance protocol servers & clients, non-blocking. - GitHub - apple/swift-nio: Event-driven network application framework for high per...

#

this too https://vapor.codes/

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:29 PM

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swift can almost certainly do ML because, like... apple uses ML in their stuff, a lot.

#

but would anyone train models in Swift instead of any other language?

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:30 PM

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I would personally go with python all the way, but if i am making a compiled app ill go with swift since im so used to python's syntax

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:30 PM

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high-level languages are in general pretty popular for ML - mostly Python, but IIRC torch was originally for Lua before it was for Py

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:30 PM

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lua!?

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:32 PM

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acoustic moss lua!?

yes
http://torch.ch/

Torch | Scientific computing for LuaJIT.

Torch is a scientific computing framework for LuaJIT.

#

~~torch-chan 😳 ~~

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 12:33 PM

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i gave up on iOS dev cuz of the fees

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:35 PM

#

Just to be clear I was never talking about swift because of apple instead its similarness to python and how it can be compiled, so a compiled language similar to python

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 12:37 PM

#

i don't really see its similarity to py but ok

#

lol

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 12:42 PM

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ah yes my favourite programming languages, Android and iOS

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:44 PM

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what the hell did they even mean by this

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

#

The statements are similar
The variable system is similar with added better type inference
Both are indent dependant languages
The oop system is similar
Swift can be object oriented

Added curly braces and extra optional types is all i see is different in normal code

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

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last mantle lol

that's 2016 though, and Objective-C is what Swift was aiming to replace for iOS, so it might be reversed by now

distant burrow Nov 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

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acoustic moss ah yes my favourite programming languages, Android and iOS

I think they meant kotlin lmfao

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I don't know what they meant by iOS

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

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last mantle lol

Notice thats 2016? objective c is down the drain and whats your point?

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

#

mate

#

android and iOS

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

#

alpine edge The statements are similar The variable system is similar with added better type...

Both are indent dependant languages
is swift really?

distant burrow Nov 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

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Since obj C and swift which come's from obj c are both used

distant burrow Nov 23, 2021, 12:46 PM

#

gritty zinc > Both are indent dependant languages is swift really?

iirc, swift is indent dependent

#

I've only worked in it once little over an year ago

idle zinc Nov 23, 2021, 12:47 PM

#

Imma line

distant burrow Nov 23, 2021, 12:48 PM

#

?

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 12:50 PM

#

last mantle i don't really see its similarity to py but ok

no semicolon !!! == python!!

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 12:53 PM

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lol

alpine edge Nov 23, 2021, 1:05 PM

#

!e

from base64 import b64decode
no_semicolon = b64decode("cHl0aG9u").decode("utf-8")
print(no_semicolon == "python")

royal lakeBOT Nov 23, 2021, 1:05 PM

#

@alpine edge :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

distant burrow Nov 23, 2021, 1:05 PM

#

Ayo

dapper dew Nov 23, 2021, 2:06 PM

#

!pep 8

royal lakeBOT Nov 23, 2021, 2:06 PM

#

**PEP 8 - Style Guide for Python Code**

Link

Status

Active

Created

05-Jul-2001

Type

Process

shut ermine Nov 23, 2021, 2:16 PM

#

well ppl were mean to me in gg/christ i gave it a fair try ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#

back to wandering

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 4:17 PM

#

fn main() {
  let w: &T0 = ...;  
}

fn f1(x: &T0) -> Result<T1, E1> {}
fn f2(y: &T1) -> Result<T2, E2> {}
fn f3(z: &T2) -> Result<T3, E3> {}

what's the cleanest way to chain f1 f2 and f3

#

while also handling E1 E2 and E3

tribal aurora Nov 23, 2021, 4:18 PM

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wdym chain

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 4:18 PM

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apply them one after the other on w

#

like f3(f2(f1(w))) basically

#

i think i have to use and_then some how

tribal aurora Nov 23, 2021, 4:20 PM

#

I don't think using and_then is clearer

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 4:22 PM

#

the alternative is 3 layers of nesting if let Ok(x) = ... {}

tribal aurora Nov 23, 2021, 4:24 PM

#

oh

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

#

imagine not having a function composition operator

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

#

function composition wouldnt really help either since i have to unwrap the Result and pass a reference of that

last mantle Nov 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

#

:epicpoint:

#

imagine calling F# useless

#

:epicpoint:

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

#

copium

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

#

acoustic moss ```rust fn main() { let w: &T0 = ...; } fn f1(x: &T0) -> Result<T1, E1> {} ...

map?

#

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/result/enum.Result.html#method.map

Result in std::result - Rust

Result is a type that represents either success ([Ok]) or failure ([Err]).

#

ah, not quite your case

#

map_or_else is what you want, I guess.

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 4:33 PM

#

hmm

tardy rain Nov 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

#

map_or_else sounds like a threat to the compiler

latent scaffold Nov 23, 2021, 4:38 PM

#

I think Rust has a good bunch of or_else methods

gritty zinc Nov 23, 2021, 4:39 PM

#

unwrap_or_else 😠

tardy rain Nov 23, 2021, 4:39 PM

#

map_or_catch_these_hands

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 4:40 PM

#

you better map that, or I'll get the gun

tribal aurora Nov 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

#

lol

#

that's sounds american

acoustic moss Nov 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

#

guess i gotta choose my poison

    lex(&input).map_or_else(
        |err| println!("lex error lol {}", err),
        |tokens| {
            parse(&tokens).map_or_else(
                |err| println!("parse error lol {}", err),
                |ast| {
                    println!("{:?}", ast)
                }
            );
        },
    );

    if let Ok(tokens) = lex(&input) {
        if let Ok(ast) = parse(&tokens) {
            println!("{:?}", ast);
        } else {
            println!("parse error")
        }
    } else {
        println!("lex error")
    }

latent scaffold Nov 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

#

I feel like the latter could be done a lot better

#

but I don't exactly remember how

graceful basin Nov 23, 2021, 5:08 PM

#

hmm, ideally you would have

try:
    toks = lex(source)
    ast = parse(toks)
except LexError:
    print('lex error')
except ParseError:
    print('parse error')
```but I think you would need `dyn` in rust to have that work

worn cave Nov 23, 2021, 6:43 PM

#

how to hack people with python

latent scaffold Nov 23, 2021, 6:43 PM

#

._.

tribal aurora Nov 23, 2021, 6:47 PM

#

latent scaffold ._.

lol this is the best answer to that

#

._.

shut ermine Nov 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

#

._.

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

#

tardy rain `map_or_else` sounds like a threat to the compiler

lmao

#

reminds me of a function I wrote for a method which needs to return an error or raise it depending on how it's being used

#

return or_raise(ExceptionClass("error message"))

#

or_raise either returns the error or raises it

#

I think it looks neat

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 7:00 PM

#

it do

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

the question is why I have to do it that way lol

#

don't ask

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

How does or_raise know if it should raise?

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

~~blame discord.py~~

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

Ah yes

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

round rose How does `or_raise` know if it should raise?

instance attribute

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

d.py, the pinnacle of good design

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

vapid nymph instance attribute

ah fair

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

it's a converter

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

#

d.py moment

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

#

which needs to be optional...

#

but also not.

#

in the end it works so

#

tldr it is to get a message object

#

and it will get either a supplied message or work based on a reply

#

OR on a message cache

#

although I can't remember why it had to be optional....

#

ah, right. so the error message would be neat

#

command needs a message and "content"

#

if the user doesn't provide anything it would say "message must be provided" and I want that to say "content must be...."

#

....

#

I'm an idiot

#

there's the way to handle an error for a specific command

#

I should just have added that and made it say content instead of message

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

#

round rose d.py moment

^ nope. dpy gave me a better way to do it and I didn't.

round rose Nov 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

#

F

#

at least you know better now

vapid nymph Nov 23, 2021, 9:41 PM

#

@open fern in relation to the dpy thing that just happened, ^

mild abyss Nov 24, 2021, 2:08 AM

#

acoustic moss guess i gotta choose my poison ```rust lex(&input).map_or_else( |err...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm oooh rust

acoustic moss Nov 24, 2021, 3:39 AM

#

very rust

last mantle Nov 24, 2021, 3:43 AM

#

:epicpoint:

gleaming gull Nov 24, 2021, 7:01 AM

#

worn cave how to hack people with python

!rule 9

royal lakeBOT Nov 24, 2021, 7:01 AM

#

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

gleaming gull Nov 24, 2021, 7:01 AM

#

Wrong one

#

sorry

royal lakeBOT Nov 24, 2021, 7:04 AM

#

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may break laws, breach terms of services, or are malicious or inappropriate.

gleaming gull Nov 24, 2021, 7:05 AM

#

thanks

sick nexus Nov 24, 2021, 7:10 AM

#

worn cave how to hack people with python

Ez bruh

#

Just spend about 3 years learning CS and networking

#

Then spend like another 3 in sysadmin / IT.

#

And boom, you'll have the skillz

#

With a z

idle zinc Nov 24, 2021, 7:39 AM

#

Wadup

tribal aurora Nov 24, 2021, 8:27 AM

#

sick nexus Ez bruh

sooo easy

graceful basin Nov 24, 2021, 9:48 AM

#

acoustic moss guess i gotta choose my poison ```rust lex(&input).map_or_else( |err...

apparently this just works

match foo().and_then(|f| bar(f)) {
  Ok(_) => (),
  Err(FooError) => println!("1"),
  Err(BarError) => println!("2"),
}

tribal aurora Nov 24, 2021, 9:55 AM

#

graceful basin apparently this just works ```rust match foo().and_then(|f| bar(f)) { Ok(_) =>...

cool

acoustic moss Nov 24, 2021, 9:57 AM

#

graceful basin apparently this just works ```rust match foo().and_then(|f| bar(f)) { Ok(_) =>...

aha

#

interesting

graceful basin Nov 24, 2021, 10:00 AM

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ah, upon further testing it doesn't in general, I was just doing sth weird.

let toks = if Ok(t) = toks() { t } else {println!("1"); return;}
let ast = if Ok(t) = parse(toks) { t } else {println!("2"); return;}
```seems a bit better then

dire siren Nov 24, 2021, 10:00 AM

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looks scary, is this rust

tribal aurora Nov 24, 2021, 10:04 AM

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ye

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not scary tho

split widget Nov 24, 2021, 11:38 AM

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acoustic moss guess i gotta choose my poison ```rust lex(&input).map_or_else( |err...

oh, you're learning to make a language ?

acoustic moss Nov 24, 2021, 11:52 AM

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split widget oh, you're learning to make a language ?

close, a math expression parser

split widget Nov 24, 2021, 12:34 PM

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acoustic moss close, a math expression parser

oh good

vapid nymph Nov 24, 2021, 2:54 PM

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@coral void glare

jovial oriole Nov 24, 2021, 5:11 PM

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hello @severe charm

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you said you'd be here

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ad

severe charm Nov 24, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Hi, How was your day?

jovial oriole Nov 24, 2021, 5:12 PM

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severe charm Hi, How was your day?

it was good before that convo

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now im questioning reality

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and the authenticity of my life...

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my being....

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my soul....

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okay back to math baiiiiiiiiiii

severe charm Nov 24, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Anything politics would make... ok bye

median domeBOT Nov 24, 2021, 8:57 PM

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**Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horses or one horse sized duck?**

Suggest more topics here!

sick nexus Nov 24, 2021, 9:10 PM

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yea those questions are always dumb

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you fight the greater number of smaller things.

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You wouldn't fight a horse, why would you think you could fight something the size of a horse?

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a bunch of small things you could easily fight, just kick the shit out of them when they get near you

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it isn't hard.

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put on some fuckin heavy boots and you win, what are they gonna do, nip your ankles?

young shoal Nov 24, 2021, 10:19 PM

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sick nexus You wouldn't fight a horse, why would you think you could fight something the si...

you're forgetting that the surface area to volume ratio doesn't scale

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the horse sized duck won't be as strong as horse

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it probably won't be able to move that well

latent scaffold Nov 24, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I feel like it'd be a lot easier to be overwhelmed by 100 duck sized horses

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ducks aren't super small, either

graceful basin Nov 24, 2021, 10:22 PM

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what's a duck sized horse gonna do, waddle over to me

latent scaffold Nov 24, 2021, 10:23 PM

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lmao

graceful basin Nov 24, 2021, 10:23 PM

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oh no, the only weakness, walking away at a leisurely pace

young shoal Nov 24, 2021, 10:24 PM

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but baby zombies though

proven ermine Nov 24, 2021, 10:24 PM

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latent scaffold Nov 24, 2021, 10:24 PM

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both of the answers are nightmare fuel

regal hawk Nov 24, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I just flipped the --line-buffered flag on a running grep process, with no debug symbols. objdump wasn't giving me what I wanted, so I learned how to use ghidra - it's pretty cool.

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 10:40 PM

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hey fam, I need some advice

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One of my coworkers has started on project X. I'm skeptical that X can be done and when I asked for an explanation on X, I'm pretty sure his answer was complete bullshit. Do I say something to my boss? Or just shut up? The problem is that aside from my coworker, I'm one of a few people qualified to realize that it's bullshit.
IF coworker finds out someone said something, he'd 100% be able to ascertain it was me

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Why are you skeptical? And why do you think the coworker hasnt done an analysis to determine feasibility

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 10:50 PM

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I’m skeptical due to my domain specific knowledge, but grew way more skeptical when he started bullshitting in his explanation.

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 10:51 PM

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I would be hesitant to try and meddle with a peer's workload tbh, they are a peer right?

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 10:52 PM

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I’m the senior, he’s the junior engineer

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Oh okay, in that case i would not hesitate then
Is this a case of someone trying to impress a manager you think?

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Or just naiveté

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Both. He’s trying to prove himself

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Time to stage a put down i guess haha

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Start with a dramatic parallel to Icarus

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Hahaha

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His work would also get folded into my codebase so I have a bit of a vested interest in making sure random bullshit doesn’t get in haha

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Yea definitely wanna get ahead of this before they start sinking work hours into it
Just be gentle, i would guess that juniors dont know how to estimate work loads in my very own experience ...being a junior

vapid nymph Nov 24, 2021, 11:07 PM

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scenic blaze One of my coworkers has started on project X. I'm skeptical that X can be done ...

maybe ask them what x is to solve and then figure out z solution for y problem

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Thats extra work tho

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:08 PM

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There's so many problems with this project. X tries to solve problem Y with machine learning, but we already have a solution for problem X that doesn't use machine learning (and that, you know, works)

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It's also code that would be used in MY project(s)

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 11:09 PM

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People are more receptive to alternatives rather than a complete shutdown, but that means you have to think up and provide an alternative which may not actually be worth the effort here

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:11 PM

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I have such mixed feelings, because while few I've definitely bullshitted my boss before, but never in a way that would compromise systems.

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Would you say your boss is generally reasonable?

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Oh, super reasonable

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He's an allstar

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I should probably just msg him

tardy rain Nov 24, 2021, 11:12 PM

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scenic blaze I have such mixed feelings, because while few I've definitely bullshitted my bos...

Yea i think your history here wouldn't matter to them if you explain why you think what you think

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Reasonable bosses are so nice to work with and for

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Okay. I'll just message him and see what he thinks/says

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:15 PM

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scenic blaze There's so many problems with this project. X tries to solve problem Y with mac...

just curious, could you hint a bit as to what you think your co-worker is BS-ing with machine learning?

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Sure. It's a bit into the weeds, but he claimed he was going to use a frequency covariance matrix to repair a certain artefact of a digital signal, but this artifact has no periodic component and thus wouldn't be present in a frequency covariance matrix. He also said that he didn't need test data, that he'd just perform primary component analysis and remove the smallest one, which is frankly horrifying since there's no way to identify what that component is without any test data to compare it against.

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:20 PM

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scenic blaze Sure. It's a bit into the weeds, but he claimed he was going to use a frequency...

He also said that he didn't need test data
that's pretty much a red flag right there lol

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Yup

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:21 PM

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but I don't follow his logic; does he have no valid argument as to how he can predict/repair a supposedly non-periodic signal with just covariance matrices?

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if he had mentioned Neural networks, then perhaps he might have been somewhere on the right track...

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:22 PM

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He mentioned k-means clustering which doesn't need test data to form clusters, but then how do you determine if the data points in one cluster is artefact or not?

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You can't

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:23 PM

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you can kinda wing it, nothing scientific unfortunately 🤷‍♂️

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cosine similarity + embeddings is perhaps the best simplicity-accuracy tradeoff

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Yeah, you could say "Oh if this value is <0.2 it's an artefact" but thta's an assumption and if you ever get data outside of that assumption there goes your analytics

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:24 PM

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very true

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but then again, I don't really see it to be very unreasonable; if he has data to back up that number - and it works then I don't think you can say much against him

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Which I think was kind of my stance at the last meeting

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Was basically "prove it"

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:25 PM

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What did he waffle on about? 😂

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Im pretty sure he just tried to inundate me with machine learning buzz words

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Since we're both pretty new to machine learning I think he thought he could bullshit me

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But I think I know enough to know when I'm being bullshat

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:26 PM

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just throw a bit of "unsupervised mixture of experts" in the mix eh 🤣

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I would still honestly lean on ML a bit though; the principal advantage of generalizability is very useful honestly.

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:27 PM

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I didn't know for sure at the time he was bullshitting, it was only after I researched it post conversation

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:27 PM

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but then I may be biased since I find sigproc methods quite....."outdated"

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Well, we do use some machine learning for our signal processing, very recently introduced, but it has test data to compare against

mild abyss Nov 24, 2021, 11:28 PM

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thats a lot of "BS" in this conversation 👀

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:29 PM

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I didn't appreciate being BS'd

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:30 PM

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that's pretty smart. I'd honestly lean towards giving him some time for experimentation and surpassing the current baselines already-in-place - who knows, might prove himself 🤷‍♂️

scenic blaze Nov 24, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Yeah, I mean I'm open to being convinced

strange musk Nov 24, 2021, 11:31 PM

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but from the convo, yeah...he might not be that guy 😅

vapid nymph Nov 25, 2021, 12:53 AM

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@agile summit wait wait wait is your github the same username as your discord?

agile summit Nov 25, 2021, 12:54 AM

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Uhh is that bad?

vapid nymph Nov 25, 2021, 12:54 AM

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no no its not no

agile summit Nov 25, 2021, 12:54 AM

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My github username is the same as my IRC username

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And my discord username is the same as my IRC name too

vapid nymph Nov 25, 2021, 12:55 AM

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so is this you? pypa/pypi-support#1424

median domeBOT Nov 25, 2021, 12:55 AM

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GitHub

IssueOpen PEP 541 Request: pytest-sugar

vapid nymph Nov 25, 2021, 12:56 AM

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was looking at pytest-sugar updates since its causing distutils deprecated warnings on python 3.10

agile summit Nov 25, 2021, 1:05 AM

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Yep

vapid nymph Nov 25, 2021, 1:08 AM

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neat

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I hope it gets to pytest-dev 😛

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:27 AM

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@velvet sun a straight flush is just a flush with consecutive value cards

velvet sun Nov 25, 2021, 1:27 AM

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and a royal flush is the highest of those. an ace high straight flush

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:27 AM

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So the distinction between the flushes is important

velvet sun Nov 25, 2021, 1:27 AM

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royal flushes are a subset of straight flushes

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Straight flushes are a subset of flushes

velvet sun Nov 25, 2021, 1:29 AM

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well true but my point is more that it's the same type of hand

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Well my point is that the distinction between flush and straight flush is the same as the distinction between straight flush and royal flush

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There is a possibility of losing with a random straight flush, while there is none with a royal flush

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Hence the highest hand distinction

velvet sun Nov 25, 2021, 1:42 AM

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i guess what i'm trying to get at is that we normally compare the same sort of hand by looking at the highest card. flushes and straight flushes aren't comparable in this way: a straight flush is always better than a flush even if you have an ace high flush against a seven high straight flush.
on the other hand, by that measure straight flushes and royal flushes are in the same category since you can just compare by the high card to see which hand wins.
||... i hope this makes any sense?||

distant hazel Nov 25, 2021, 2:31 AM

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velvet sun i guess what i'm trying to get at is that we normally compare the same sort of h...

you make no sense whatsoever lemon_tongue

velvet sun Nov 25, 2021, 2:50 AM

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distant hazel you make no sense whatsoever <:lemon_tongue:780477651314933790>

😎

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 3:01 AM

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tardy rain Well my point is that the distinction between flush and straight flush is the sa...

it's not

naive ocean Nov 25, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Which one looks best to you? (1️⃣,2️⃣, or 3️⃣)

mild abyss Nov 25, 2021, 3:31 AM

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naive ocean Which one looks best to you? (1️⃣,2️⃣, or 3️⃣)

you uwu

rough sapphire Nov 25, 2021, 4:24 AM

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lol

mild abyss Nov 25, 2021, 4:26 AM

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no

rough sapphire Nov 25, 2021, 4:28 AM

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mild abyss no

what no

mild abyss Nov 25, 2021, 4:28 AM

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fried duckies

rough sapphire Nov 25, 2021, 4:29 AM

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um

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ok

rough sapphire Nov 25, 2021, 5:45 AM

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can anyone tell some channels i can watch

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to learn blender

round rose Nov 25, 2021, 6:21 AM

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rough sapphire can anyone tell some channels i can watch

blender guru is an obvious one

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if you're into mixing up 2d and 3d worthikids also has a good 2.83 guide

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and there were some other, let me see

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I think crossmind studios is the other good one

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 7:09 AM

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young shoal it's not

It is reeeeeeee yall need to learn some poker

burnt ore Nov 25, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Screen_Shot_2021-11-08_at_2.22.35_PM.png

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 11:48 AM

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tardy rain It is reeeeeeee yall need to learn some poker

he's right tho

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 11:48 AM

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he's not tho

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 12:11 PM

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a royal flush is just the highest possible straight flush

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a straight flush is a flush with all the cards in sequence

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right?

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 12:50 PM

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the royal flush is the highest possible hand, not just the highest possible straight flush

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you literally cannot lose with a royal flush in hand

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while you can with any other straight flush, the distinction is important

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theres no royal straight for example, so its not as simple to just say a royal flush is just a straight flush

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 12:54 PM

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uhh, but it is though

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it's just a straight flush that happens to have the highest possible cards

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 12:55 PM

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And a straight flush is just a flush that happens to have consecutive cards

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You wouldn't say a royal flush is just a flush tho

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So why abandon the distinction

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"the flush is the highest possible hand in poker"

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No, its a very specific flush thats the highest hand in poker

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 12:58 PM

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wait what?

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 12:58 PM

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The royal flush

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 12:58 PM

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yes, but why that quote

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 12:58 PM

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Im using the phrasing in the original argument

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They said "the straight flush is the highest hand in poker"

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 12:59 PM

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ah. I didn't care about the argument, I just agreed the distinction between straight flush and royal flush is not as great between a straight flush and a flush

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:00 PM

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But its more restrictive than flush to straight flush

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 1:01 PM

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wdym by restrictive

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Theres only 4 colours in a deck so only 4 possible royals

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I dont wanna do the maths on straights

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Just trust me, im an engineer

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Lmao

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 1:02 PM

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quick estimate, let's say 4*8ish straight flushes

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Why the 8 where do you get it from

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 1:03 PM

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13-5

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so you could start at 2 or 3 or 4 etc, but not at 10

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:03 PM

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You can have a straight flush from 2 to K

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 1:04 PM

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huh, I didn't know that

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:04 PM

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A KQJ109 is a straight not a royal

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 1:04 PM

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yes

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so it's 40 straight flushes then 🤔

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:10 PM

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Just 40?

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Goddamn

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 1:10 PM

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I think so?

tardy rain Nov 25, 2021, 1:10 PM

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Ok maybe not as restrictive

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And flushes are 13C5 * 4?

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So 5148

young shoal Nov 25, 2021, 1:14 PM

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yeah

wanton lake Nov 25, 2021, 1:25 PM

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half orbit Nov 25, 2021, 1:25 PM

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try to run a program?

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use the python ext

old crypt Nov 25, 2021, 1:26 PM

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click on +

half orbit Nov 25, 2021, 1:26 PM

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yea its the same running a program creates a new terminal

wanton lake Nov 25, 2021, 1:26 PM

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opens another but that's also blank

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if I open with ctrl + ` still blank

old crypt Nov 25, 2021, 1:27 PM

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press f5

wanton lake Nov 25, 2021, 1:27 PM

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this comes up

half orbit Nov 25, 2021, 1:28 PM

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yes click on python file

old crypt Nov 25, 2021, 1:28 PM

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first file

wanton lake Nov 25, 2021, 1:28 PM

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opens a blank terminal

half orbit Nov 25, 2021, 1:29 PM

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have you install the python ext?

wanton lake Nov 25, 2021, 1:29 PM

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oh I restated vs code

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it works noww

half orbit Nov 25, 2021, 1:29 PM

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i- lmao

old crypt Nov 25, 2021, 1:29 PM

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wanton lake it works noww

enjoy it 😄

wanton lake Nov 25, 2021, 1:29 PM

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I restarted once earlier, didn't work

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god knows why

old crypt Nov 25, 2021, 1:29 PM

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👍

old crypt Nov 25, 2021, 1:30 PM

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wanton lake god knows why

me also face like that problem also i think it's happend with some problem with vs code

wanton lake Nov 25, 2021, 1:30 PM

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some bug yeah

old crypt Nov 25, 2021, 1:31 PM

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yeah

latent scaffold Nov 25, 2021, 3:20 PM

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@distant hazel is your profile picture a lime because limes are berries 😔