#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 603

gritty zinc Sep 20, 2021, 2:01 AM

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It's SRV3. Don't you love made up closed-spec formats.

opal atlas Sep 20, 2021, 3:16 AM

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They keep me alway of people like me with hyperfixations, now I o sedes

rough sapphire Sep 20, 2021, 4:17 AM

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spin

odd sluice Sep 20, 2021, 4:18 AM

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rough sapphire <a:spin:833424164500013058>

:D

opal atlas Sep 20, 2021, 5:16 AM

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what the hell this man is talking about

tribal aurora Sep 20, 2021, 5:35 AM

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rough sapphire <a:spin:833424164500013058>

fuck itttt

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made me dizzy

rough sapphire Sep 20, 2021, 6:04 AM

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i dont think so

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i thought about it

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asked my friend the answer was no

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but let me know if you try it out

odd sluice Sep 20, 2021, 6:14 AM

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i think its possible

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pretty sure you can call rust functions in c

graceful basin Sep 20, 2021, 6:14 AM

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it is a terrible idea to mix languages like that, because now the maintainer needs to understand all the languages and technologies, instead of just one

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there is a minecraft mod which doesn't get any contribution despite peoples interest in contributing because the core is written in extremely complex scala

opal atlas Sep 20, 2021, 6:18 AM

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what is a component

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it's a function?

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multiparadigm

graceful basin Sep 20, 2021, 6:19 AM

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that feels like someone would contribute in prolog, get the PR accepted, get a job and now no one knows how to fix it or replace it since it's written prolog

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one language which everyone understands is a saner system for maintainance

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now, there are examples of this, such as the ouboros quine

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but that isn't a heaven for maintainers either

opal atlas Sep 20, 2021, 6:22 AM

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I get lost

strong reef Sep 20, 2021, 7:50 AM

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.topic

median domeBOT Sep 20, 2021, 7:50 AM

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**What is the most satisfying thing you've done in your life?**

Suggest more topics here!

opal atlas Sep 20, 2021, 8:06 AM

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.topic

median domeBOT Sep 20, 2021, 8:06 AM

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**What is your favourite color?**

Suggest more topics here!

tribal aurora Sep 20, 2021, 9:36 AM

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no favorite

dire siren Sep 20, 2021, 11:23 AM

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median dome

aph color

rough sapphire Sep 20, 2021, 1:01 PM

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grey

odd sluice Sep 20, 2021, 1:03 PM

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drey

indigo saddle Sep 20, 2021, 1:55 PM

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drei

odd sluice Sep 20, 2021, 2:07 PM

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dre

wild yarrow Sep 20, 2021, 9:24 PM

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dray

gleaming gull Sep 20, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Any good free alternative to heroku

uneven pine Sep 20, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Good and free are rarely going to go together

frail badge Sep 20, 2021, 9:59 PM

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indigo saddle drei

nice pfp

floral apex Sep 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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sudo runas doas

mild abyss Sep 21, 2021, 5:01 AM

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floral apex sudo runas doas

i will

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~~destroy your family~~

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because I am the raiden shogun. you are but a shadow. lightning is eternal

last mantle Sep 21, 2021, 5:04 AM

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k

mild abyss Sep 21, 2021, 5:06 AM

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last mantle k

shush

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u should respect I, the raiden shogun. also i will confiscate your vision under the Vision Hunt Decree

floral apex Sep 21, 2021, 5:07 AM

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mild abyss because I am the raiden shogun. you are but a shadow. lightning is eternal

~~hey isn't that in reverse?~~

mild abyss Sep 21, 2021, 5:11 AM

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floral apex ~~hey isn't that in reverse?~~

regardless. I am eternal. Pursuing perfection like the Heavenly Principles

floral apex Sep 21, 2021, 5:16 AM

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mild abyss regardless. I am eternal. Pursuing perfection like the Heavenly Principles

Then you are a masochist :p

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Eternally pursuing perfection

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~~Jokes aside perfectionism will drive anyone nuts~~

mild abyss Sep 21, 2021, 5:21 AM

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floral apex Then you are a masochist :p

thanks for pointing that out. xD

floral apex Sep 21, 2021, 5:22 AM

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mild abyss thanks for pointing that out. xD

You're welcome, is that why you're uncomfy xp

mild abyss Sep 21, 2021, 8:20 AM

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floral apex You're welcome, is that why you're uncomfy xp

ask repl.it

harsh tundra Sep 21, 2021, 8:49 AM

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floral apex sudo runas doas

I have sudo on my windows. Not as good as Linux sudo but I don't have to restart cmd/powershell as admin

odd sluice Sep 21, 2021, 8:52 AM

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scoop install sudo

dire siren Sep 21, 2021, 9:23 AM

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sudo scoop install sudo

harsh tundra Sep 21, 2021, 9:35 AM

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I don't even remember how I installed mine, it was years ago. I still have instruction somewhere on mastodon

thin swallow Sep 21, 2021, 9:45 AM

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function sudo()
{
    Start-Process powershell -Verb runas -ArgumentList "-WindowStyle Maximized -NoExit -NoProfile -NoLogo -Command cd '$pwd';Import-Module SUDO;$arg"
}

I just made this function lemon_pika
didn't know that existed-

inland wolf Sep 21, 2021, 10:17 AM

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scoop install gsudo

latent scaffold Sep 21, 2021, 10:18 AM

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scoop install scoop

inland wolf Sep 21, 2021, 10:19 AM

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scoop scoop scoop

latent scaffold Sep 21, 2021, 10:21 AM

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bless you

floral apex Sep 21, 2021, 10:21 AM

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Scoop of ice cream

hybrid pivot Sep 21, 2021, 4:51 PM

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is freenom broken XD

wild yarrow Sep 21, 2021, 8:40 PM

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ice cream 😳

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Well I'm sold on fastapi. rooPog A few lines of code and not only does it work but it documents itself? rooSlide

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Yeah both. I've been working on this side project for about three weeks now. Always aiming for hooking an API and view model to the backend. Just got the time to play around with it tonight in my last 25 minute block.

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Didn't think I'd have a working endpoint but love being wrong.

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Now to consider all the html rendering I need for the view rooScared

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I'll toss it on the list. My fallback is usually a jinja2 template. Open to explore with this project.

harsh tundra Sep 21, 2021, 9:47 PM

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jinja ❤️

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although I'm with flask for apis. when I started, fastapi didn't exist or wasn't popular enough. so I'm just using my existing code to rework the project

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 9:48 PM

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But I'm happy with the 1.5 hours of work for the day (post work work hours). Loads 135k items from file and, given all the tests pass, will serve that info up as I need it. And no database anymore. That's a joy.

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 9:49 PM

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harsh tundra although I'm with flask for apis. when I started, fastapi didn't exist or wasn't...

I use flask at work for a few spot projects running on EC2s. I almost just did that here but thought "Those folks at pydis talk about FastAPI... I should check it out."

harsh tundra Sep 21, 2021, 9:50 PM

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I'd check it out if not for the fact that I have no motivation whatsoever and we're redoing our proof of concept into a real code and it was flask 😛

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so we're just keeping most of the code

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 9:52 PM

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I imagine I'm losing a bit in the trade-off with fastapi. It's abstracting a lot.

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and I hear you loud and clear on redoing work. Hard pass

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Refactor? Okay. Rework for the sake of X? "X" better be darn good.

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But it's clean. https://github.com/Preocts/eqcharinfo/blob/main/eqcharinfo/api/api.py
I'm already seeing where I pull everything out into a primary controller, the routes will call the specific methods there, and this file will be nothing but docstrings and one-line returns. rooLove

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https://github.com/Preocts/eqcharinfo/blob/main/README.md 💥

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LOL, it's literally just the badges

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I'm more of a "document that later" type of dev

tender smelt Sep 21, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Python >= 3.9
😭 won't anyone ever think about the python 2.7 kids 😭

floral apex Sep 21, 2021, 10:24 PM

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thick osprey Well I'm sold on `fastapi`. <:rooPog:814619293568204842> A few lines of code a...

That self documenting part is part of the OpenAPI spec. apparently

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 10:27 PM

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having had to write swagger specs... I like this

floral apex Sep 21, 2021, 10:31 PM

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It has optional support for GraphQL too (via Graphene)

wraith hound Sep 21, 2021, 10:41 PM

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tender smelt > Python >= 3.9 😭 won't anyone ever think about the python 2.7 kids 😭

Because it's EoL

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And most people don't care to support EoL versions

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Or even deprecated versions

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 10:48 PM

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tender smelt > Python >= 3.9 😭 won't anyone ever think about the python 2.7 kids 😭

I will think of them fondly as I live in the world of dataclasses and lack of from typing import ... rooKnife

uneven pine Sep 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Using Py 2.7 is like using Windows 7

wild yarrow Sep 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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that's a very good analogy

uneven pine Sep 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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It's out of date, no one supports it, is a massive security hole, greatly limits what you can actually do, and there should be nothing in this day and age stopping you from upgrading

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Save for legacy systems which are their own can of worms and can be easily argued they need to be upgraded anyway

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At the point of being stuck on Win7 due to hardware restrictions...your best bet is sidegrading to a linux distribution instead

wild yarrow Sep 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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yes

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you should be running win 10 by now or have gone to a linux distro; and if you're on an older system probably something reasonably light with LTS

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 10:57 PM

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So what you're saying is that I'm behind the times with my laptop that runs XP?

wild yarrow Sep 21, 2021, 10:57 PM

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lemon_scared

uneven pine Sep 21, 2021, 10:58 PM

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If you're on XP I think you're somehow at risk of transmitting COVID over the internet

wild yarrow Sep 21, 2021, 10:58 PM

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lmao

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 10:58 PM

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So how about the 386 I have that runs ms-dos 6.22? (actually, not sure that disk is still healthy... been a few years)

wild yarrow Sep 21, 2021, 10:59 PM

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o.O

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now that's old

thick osprey Sep 21, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Got that drvspace bb. Double your room

keen grove Sep 22, 2021, 3:50 AM

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!font

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!fonts

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!colour

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!colours

vapid nymph Sep 22, 2021, 4:30 AM

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siiigh @solid pollen what would you use for a blog? ~~you suggested I do it and I have a lot more stuff I kinda wanna write about so~~

uneven pine Sep 22, 2021, 5:32 AM

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Django+Wagtail?

odd sluice Sep 22, 2021, 5:37 AM

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samba!

vapid nymph Sep 22, 2021, 5:44 AM

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uneven pine Django+Wagtail?

what would a full toolchain be like?

uneven pine Sep 22, 2021, 5:59 AM

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I dont personally use django, I prefer microframeworks like flask

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but I've heard of it many times on Python Bytes/Talk Python To Me/Real Python

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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uneven pine Using Py 2.7 is like using Windows 7

I'd say XP. Long gone but some people want it because some sentiment and stuff.

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And even companies were like "but it works, we want to still use it!" - which is exactly what happened with py2.7

uneven pine Sep 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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7 is in the spot XP was now

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 7:36 AM

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vapid nymph siiigh <@!407110650217627658> what would you use for a blog? ~~you suggested I d...

lol, build your own!

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Use a markdown renderer and do the rest yourself

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That's a cool thing to put on your portfolio

vapid nymph Sep 22, 2021, 7:36 AM

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meh

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i won't post stuff to it right now then 🤡

tranquil orchid Sep 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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@spring scarab What exactly are you trying to do?

brazen ingot Sep 22, 2021, 11:19 AM

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what's with the devops? logo?

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after akarys?

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spring scarab Sep 22, 2021, 11:33 AM

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tranquil orchid <@!878193990351089674> What exactly are you trying to do?

i am on role cooldown

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general channel is too occupied

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check my rles buddy

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https://tenor.com/view/kabangu-upset-annoyed-gif-14814728

Tenor

tranquil orchid Sep 22, 2021, 11:33 AM

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I was referring to you trying to ping everyone

spring scarab Sep 22, 2021, 11:33 AM

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oh

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then...

clear plume Sep 22, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Lmao

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Just stop, you're spam pinging mods and you aren't gonna ping anyone.

terse heron Sep 22, 2021, 11:34 AM

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They are muted

clear plume Sep 22, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Ahh alright.

lunar crescent Sep 22, 2021, 11:36 AM

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brazen ingot what's with the devops? logo?

new discord feature, role icons

brazen ingot Sep 22, 2021, 11:36 AM

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oh really?

lunar crescent Sep 22, 2021, 11:37 AM

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brazen ingot oh really?

yes

wild yarrow Sep 22, 2021, 2:34 PM

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oh that's cool

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 4:52 PM

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turns out ms paint is pretty good for roughly blocking out ui before coding it

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Fugg

wraith hound Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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brazen ingot what's with the devops? logo?

k8s logo

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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!e print(str(None))

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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@tardy rain :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

None

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS SHIT PLEASE

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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?

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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what do you want explained?

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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the string representation of None is "None"

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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doing str(None) literally gives you "None"

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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yes?

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Instead of an empty string

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Yes

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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yes

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Why

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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that's an extremely broad question which i could give an extremely broad answer to

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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At least it's not like JS

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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deep juniper that's an extremely broad question which i could give an extremely broad answer ...

Please do, anything is good

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 4:56 PM

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In [3]: None.__str__()
Out[3]: 'None'

In [4]: None.__repr__()
Out[4]: 'None'

\😳

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 4:56 PM

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because it just is. when outputting to the console, seeing "None" instead of "" is a lot more informative

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:56 PM

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When would I ever need to str None

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 4:57 PM

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when do you need to str variables?

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 4:57 PM

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the way to stringify None varies enough that it makes more sense to just leave it as a repr equivalent

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and well, repr(None) should be 'None'

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sometimes, you want '', sometimes you want 'None', sometimes you want 'null', sometimes you want an exception

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Ye if im repr(None) i would expect None or NoneType

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If i str(None) i would expect an empty string

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Why wouldnt i

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Or a goddamn error so i know

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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if you wanted "", it'd be easier to just val or ""

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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well, str(None) isn't implemented and just does the same thing as on list and dict, in that it calls repr

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since showing None to the user is a very usecase dependent situation

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and yes, '' would be nice in quite a few contexts, but it would also suck for debugging

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:00 PM

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latent scaffold if you wanted `""`, it'd be easier to just `val or ""`

Its not that i want "", i just wanted to str a variable that is optional and i assumed (rightfully) that 🅱️ython would be reasonable and give me an empty string if its None

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I guess not

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Also if it defaults to repr why is it just showing me "None" and not some weird class id

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<NoneType whatever> or some shit

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:01 PM

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I don't think I would've ever thought of None to print as a blank string

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it just doesn't make much sense to me for it to

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:01 PM

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because repr is meant to work such that eval(repr(a)) == a

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:02 PM

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latent scaffold it just doesn't make much sense to me for it to

Well then throw an error

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:02 PM

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which holds for None and does not hold for the default repr

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:02 PM

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tardy rain Well then throw an error

Why?

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:02 PM

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So i dont waste my time

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:02 PM

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ye, I would argue that str(None) should be an error, but well, too late

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raku does do that

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Use of uninitialized value of type Any:U in string context.
Methods .^name, .raku, .gist, or .say can be used to stringify it to something meaningful.

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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I've been doing str(optional_var).lower() == ... for like half an hour now

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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on a slight tangent how come we typehint shit as : None and not : NoneType or Literal[None]

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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int(None) throws error, why not str

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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uh

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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because str is kind of a weird function

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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"why is a type castable to one type but not one, totally different type"

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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@acoustic mossspecial syntax to make life easy

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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How easy would it be to suggest this change for cpython

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:03 PM

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class, technically :(

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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@tardy rainliterally impossible to ever pass this, breaks so much

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Goddamnit

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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raku does do this correctly

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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We're literally trynna move away from perl lmao

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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raku is moving away from perl as well

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but yes, sigil hell is hell

deep juniper Sep 22, 2021, 5:06 PM

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latent scaffold class, technically :(

oh, of course

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Isnt NoneType in types?

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!d types.NoneType

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 5:12 PM

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types.NoneType


types.NoneType```
The type of [`None`](https://docs.python.org/3.10/library/constants.html#None "None").

New in version 3.10.

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:12 PM

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I guess you could typehint with that lmao

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Idk why you would

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:12 PM

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well

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I figure it's exactly like ...

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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wdym

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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... is type Ellipsis

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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In [1]: x: ...

In [2]: __annotations__
Out[2]: {'x': Ellipsis}

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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But idk if anything else extends Ellipsis or NoneType, so why not

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:14 PM

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where ... is to Ellipsis as None is to NoneType

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That's my guess, anyways

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:14 PM

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tardy rain But idk if anything else extends Ellipsis or NoneType, so why not

if by extends you're referring to inheritance, thats not possible

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Then "implements"? Not caught up on my oop terminology

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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wait... there's an "EllipsisType"

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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no

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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oh boy.

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Idfk, something

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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the type of .../Ellipsis is ellipsis

tardy rain Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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words hard

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:15 PM

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TypeError: EllipsisType takes no arguments

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that was me trying to subclass ...

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:16 PM

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acoustic moss the type of .../Ellipsis is ellipsis

.

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:16 PM

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._.

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I'm not denying that

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:19 PM

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🤔

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:29 PM

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I'm just confused as to what the "EllipsisType" is

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:30 PM

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the type of an Ellipsis object

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yet another singleton

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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graceful basin the type of an Ellipsis object

Why is Ellipsis not the type of an Ellipsis type? ;-;

graceful basin Sep 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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because Ellipsis is an instance

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not a type

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yeah, singletons are very rarely, if ever, useful in python

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I would love modules which aren't separate files though

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would make so many things easier

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at the same time, python imports are enough of an abomination as is

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yeah

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like rust

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and a few other languages

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:40 PM

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graceful basin because Ellipsis is an instance

but it's named as a class!? D:

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 5:41 PM

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latent scaffold but it's named as a class!? D:

introducing None, True and False

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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oh. right

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Yikes

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 5:52 PM

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The only object to be its own type is type itself

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!e print(type(type) == type)

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 5:53 PM

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@solid pollen :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:00 PM

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:faint:

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what the

wild yarrow Sep 22, 2021, 6:02 PM

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:faint:

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pithink

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:02 PM

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type is type when it is of type type

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:05 PM

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type(type)(type(type)(type)) is type

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:06 PM

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lol

wild yarrow Sep 22, 2021, 6:08 PM

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lol

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Oh God.

In [3]: type(type(type)(type))(type)(type(type(type)(type)))
Out[3]: type

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type is a weird word

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:11 PM

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type

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:13 PM

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solid pollen !e `print(type(type) == type)`

Hm... What is the type of object if type inherits from object? pithink

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!e
print(type(object))
print(isinstance(object, type))

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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@harsh tundra :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | <class 'type'>
002 | True

runic wigeon Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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lol

rough sapphire Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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@low chasm I beg to differ, we live in a multiverse

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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so what you're saying is

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object is a type

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type is an object

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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type(object) would be type

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Wait, I messed up

rough sapphire Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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latent scaffold type is an object

The type-object paradox

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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so a type is a type

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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The second was the other way around

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!e
print(isinstance(type, object))

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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@harsh tundra :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

nocturne veldt Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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hello guys

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Object is instance of type, type is instance of object

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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yep

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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ye

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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A loop

runic wigeon Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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yeah

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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they are also instances of themselves

rough sapphire Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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!e print(isinstance(object, type))

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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is type an object

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omg

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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yes

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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BRO

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wtf

low chasm Sep 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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rough sapphire <@416345453530054657> I beg to differ, we live in a multiverse

Lmao

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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if someone can make this a diagram

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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type is a type and object is an object meanwhile type is an object and object is a type

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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that would be epic!!

runic wigeon Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Everything in python is an object

low chasm Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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It's all objects

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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does this mean that everything is a type

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Inheritance being theoretically an order would mean type==object

runic wigeon Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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low chasm It's all objects

Always has been.

low chasm Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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latent scaffold does this mean that everything is a type

Types are types

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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inland wolf if someone can make this a diagram

here you go💍

rough sapphire Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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!print(isinstance(name, object)

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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lol

rough sapphire Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Rip

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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but if everything is an object

rough sapphire Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I'm dumb

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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and object is a type

low chasm Sep 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Types are objects

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:18 PM

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But those classes and inheritances are defined in C, so it's not an ordered relation like normal inheritance

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:18 PM

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yes but object is type

low chasm Sep 22, 2021, 6:18 PM

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What came first, the object or the type

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:18 PM

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object is an instance of type, not a subclass

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therefore instances of object are not necessarily instances of type

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Wait, right

runic wigeon Sep 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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low chasm What came first, the object or the type

Cool, never thought of them that way

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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I said a different thing from what i was really thinking

low chasm Sep 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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acoustic moss therefore instances of object are not necessarily instances of type

Hm

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Not inheritance but being an instance

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:20 PM

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classes are instances of type/a custom metaclass and they can have instances just fine

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:20 PM

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everything is an object which is an instance of type

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type is the root of everything \😩

harsh tundra Sep 22, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Everything is an object, so classes are also objects aka instances

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:21 PM

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harsh tundra Object is instance of type, type is instance of object

Yes.

low chasm Sep 22, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Classes are blueprints for creating objects

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:21 PM

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I mean, those don't even have a type

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It is just to avoid corner cases

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They are C-defined, their superclass is hard-coded to return that exact value

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Wait... why is the type of type, type?

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:22 PM

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if you're looking at a tree where the children are instances of their parents, then object would be the root of everything
if you're looking at a tree where the children are subclasses of their parents, then type would be the root of everything

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:22 PM

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is type another hidden class

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Because it had to have some form of type

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Nah, it is its own type

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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latent scaffold Wait... why *is* the type of `type`, `type`?

you could think of it like: if something is a blueprint for other things, it's an instance of type
since type is a blueprint of other classes, its an instance of type

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Basically, type is just a C routine

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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i think it would be funny if u did type(object) and it errored with SyntaxError: You have reached the end of the universe

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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I'm so confused

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is type a class

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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yes

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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To have something to return, the developers just hard-coded an if branch saying it will be itself

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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and the type of all classes is type

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Yes

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Well

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:24 PM

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latent scaffold and the type of all classes is `type`

yes

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Okay, no, type is not a class

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:24 PM

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!?

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:24 PM

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It is a construct part of the Python API

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It looks and behave like a class

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:24 PM

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yes

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:24 PM

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But at the end of the day it is a C function that doesn't have any class metadata

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:25 PM

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what it actually is implemented as in C doesnt really matter imo

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whats important is how the API exposes it

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which is as a class

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:25 PM

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Well, it is an important detail to understand it doesn't follow the same rules as regular objects

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:25 PM

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pithink

inland wolf Sep 22, 2021, 6:26 PM

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damn

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rebels

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:26 PM

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type follows all rules that other classes do, doesnt it

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:26 PM

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If Python is this confusing... I worry about languages like JavaScript

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:26 PM

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mainly that isinstance(x, type) is True

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:27 PM

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It behaves like a class

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:27 PM

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yeah

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:27 PM

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But it isn't a Python class

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It follows the class interface if you wish

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:28 PM

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well, very few (none?) of the builtins are python classes

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:28 PM

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!e print(dir(builtins))

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 6:28 PM

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@solid pollen :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

['ArithmeticError', 'AssertionError', 'AttributeError', 'BaseException', 'BlockingIOError', 'BrokenPipeError', 'BufferError', 'BytesWarning', 'ChildProcessError', 'ConnectionAbortedError', 'ConnectionError', 'ConnectionRefusedError', 'ConnectionResetError', 'DeprecationWarning', 'EOFError', 'Ellipsis', 'EnvironmentError', 'Exception', 'False', 'FileExistsError', 'FileNotFoundError', 'FloatingPointError', 'FutureWarning', 'GeneratorExit', 'IOError', 'ImportError', 'ImportWarning', 'IndentationError', 'IndexError', 'InterruptedError', 'IsADirectoryError', 'KeyError', 'KeyboardInterrupt', 'LookupError', 'MemoryError', 'ModuleNotFoundError', 'NameError', 'None', 'NotADirectoryError', 'NotImplemented', 'NotImplementedError', 'OSError', 'OverflowError', 'PendingDeprecationWarning', 'PermissionError', 'ProcessLookupError', 'RecursionError', 'ReferenceError', 'ResourceWarning', 'RuntimeError', 'RuntimeWarning', 'StopAsyncIteration', 'StopIteration', 'SyntaxError', 'SyntaxWarning', 'SystemError
... (truncated - too long)

Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ovovesiwix.txt?noredirect

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:28 PM

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Sometimes I feel like some of Python was made specifically for #esoteric-python lol

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:29 PM

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The exceptions are probably python classes

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:29 PM

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hmm

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:29 PM

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Maybe not actually

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Or maybe they are, but initialized through the C API

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:30 PM

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is there anyway to tell if something is in C or in python 🤔

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is inspect.getsource failing a valid test lol

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:30 PM

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acoustic moss is there anyway to tell if something is in C or in python 🤔

https://github.com/python/cpython

GitHub

GitHub - python/cpython: The Python programming language

The Python programming language. Contribute to python/cpython development by creating an account on GitHub.

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:30 PM

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._.

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lol

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:30 PM

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lol

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

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well played

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

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!e
import inspect
inspect.getsource(IOError)

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Uuhh

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 6:32 PM

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@solid pollen :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
003 |   File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/inspect.py", line 1024, in getsource
004 |     lines, lnum = getsourcelines(object)
005 |   File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/inspect.py", line 1006, in getsourcelines
006 |     lines, lnum = findsource(object)
007 |   File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/inspect.py", line 817, in findsource
008 |     file = getsourcefile(object)
009 |   File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/inspect.py", line 697, in getsourcefile
010 |     filename = getfile(object)
011 |   File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/inspect.py", line 666, in getfile
... (truncated - too many lines)

Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/desoxikiku.txt?noredirect

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 6:32 PM

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Okay, probably C

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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does getsource work on itself
judging by the traceback it seems to be in python

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!e

from inspect import getsource
print(getsource(getsource))

royal lakeBOT Sep 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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@acoustic moss :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | def getsource(object):
002 |     """Return the text of the source code for an object.
003 | 
004 |     The argument may be a module, class, method, function, traceback, frame,
005 |     or code object.  The source code is returned as a single string.  An
006 |     OSError is raised if the source code cannot be retrieved."""
007 |     lines, lnum = getsourcelines(object)
008 |     return ''.join(lines)

acoustic moss Sep 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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smh overwriting object

latent scaffold Sep 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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lmao

calm dawn Sep 22, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Wow I am setting lofty goals for my first 'real' videogame...

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Voxel terrain, no issue. Real orbital mechanics, probably gonna get difficult. Realistic atmospherics + volumetric liquids? Oh you bet your bottom dollar that's going to be rough...

dapper dew Sep 22, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Sounds like KSP

solid pollen Sep 22, 2021, 8:45 PM

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I wonder who could be a KSP player here.. pithink

calm dawn Sep 22, 2021, 10:37 PM

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dapper dew Sounds like KSP

Hopefully a cross between Space Engineers, Stationeers, and KSP

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and I've only ever played one of them 😂

narrow viper Sep 23, 2021, 12:33 AM

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can som1 help me find the error here pls

still sky Sep 23, 2021, 12:54 AM

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@low chasm Hows your Python macro thing going

calm dawn Sep 23, 2021, 12:59 AM

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narrow viper can som1 help me find the error here pls

looks like syntax errors

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hold your mouse over the parts with red squiggles under them

wraith hound Sep 23, 2021, 12:59 AM

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They got their question answered in ot0

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They posted it in all 3 ot channels

calm dawn Sep 23, 2021, 1:40 AM

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wow

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spam spam spam

low chasm Sep 23, 2021, 2:13 AM

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still sky <@!416345453530054657> Hows your Python macro thing going

Good so far

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No new features today, I was busy

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But it's on pypi now, and I've started implementing more stuff

winter terrace Sep 23, 2021, 2:22 AM

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it fucks with me every time that in literally every oop languages besides python you can refer to a class instance var without having to refer to the instance in the class functions, and then in python you gotta put self everywhere, so my java code ends up looking like hell

sonic totem Sep 23, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Hey everyone, I was told I could possibly direct some C++ questions here?

soft violet Sep 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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winter terrace it fucks with me every time that in literally every oop languages besides python...

I've seen some people use s instead of self. It's not strictly conventional, but it does take up fewer characters.

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I guess I'm just used to self.

odd sluice Sep 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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does anybody use this ?

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like i mean to make the transition to python a bit easier

winter terrace Sep 23, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Few transition to python since most start there, and those that didn’t probably have enough experience to understand how important it is to use self, as that’s the standard

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 5:00 AM

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odd sluice does anybody use `this` ?

I highly doubt it

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it affects very little, if anything

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 5:09 AM

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latent scaffold it affects very little, if anything

🤔

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you need this fairly often

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 5:10 AM

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wha

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no you don't

edgy crest Sep 23, 2021, 5:10 AM

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what language

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 5:10 AM

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they mean using this in Python instead of self

edgy crest Sep 23, 2021, 5:10 AM

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are we talking about

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like

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your wish

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 5:11 AM

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why would you call it this in python

edgy crest Sep 23, 2021, 5:11 AM

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ikr

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 5:11 AM

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that's my question

edgy crest Sep 23, 2021, 5:11 AM

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you dont even get syntax highlighting for it

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 5:11 AM

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oh

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i misunderstood the original q

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f

quick ledge Sep 23, 2021, 5:13 AM

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acoustic moss i misunderstood the original q

Helper status revoked hemlock

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 5:13 AM

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hyperlemon

quick ledge Sep 23, 2021, 5:19 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/436911467598577664.gif?v=1

tribal aurora Sep 23, 2021, 5:35 AM

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Do you guys really understand these?

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i mean, it's all reference..

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 5:47 AM

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acoustic moss why would you call it `this` in python

i assume they meant that since self is this, if people come from other languages and use this it will be easy to understand faster.

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so like in class methods
def add(this,x):
this.num+=x

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seems like a valid question to me. but nevertheless it kinda breaks usual coding standards.

clear acorn Sep 23, 2021, 7:47 AM

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odd sluice does anybody use `this` ?

no I don't use this

floral apex Sep 23, 2021, 7:54 AM

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tribal aurora Do you guys really understand these?

Why is the project logo funny

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 7:59 AM

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amogus

floral apex Sep 23, 2021, 8:05 AM

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acoustic moss amogus

thanks for making it not as funny

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ok nvm

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 9:02 AM

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edgy crest you dont even get syntax highlighting for it

You get in PyCharm. It will just highlight first argument in a method

edgy crest Sep 23, 2021, 9:03 AM

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oh, cool

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 9:03 AM

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yea, but it also shows a weak warning if you don't name it self

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 9:17 AM

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Weak warning? What's that?

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PyCharm shows pep8 problems for sure, but 1) i never heard about the weak warning thing... But 2)I never actually run non-self methods to know whether there is something

solid pollen Sep 23, 2021, 9:20 AM

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weak warning are like typos and stuff

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it won't cause any error

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strong warnings are what may cause an error, like an undefined attribute

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errors are what will cause an error like misusing a keyword

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 9:23 AM

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the red underline in print(x) is an error
the return in an __init__ is a strong warning
the access of a 'private' variable is a weak warning

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pep 8 violations also cause a weak warning

odd sluice Sep 23, 2021, 9:34 AM

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rough sapphire i assume they meant that since self is this, if people come from other languages...

this

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also i made an unintentional pun with that emoji

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forgive the pun

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 10:10 AM

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What's a good management tool for virtual environments with multiple python versions?
I realised I need python3.9 for one lib i need to test. virtualenvwrapper theoretically has version discovery and stuff but it doesn't seem to work properly (it's said to be tested up to 3.6, so that's probably why).
So at this point I just want to look at nice tools that provide similar experience but are updated and tested and for sure work for newer versions

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Ah, no, it works. I just didn't install 3.9-venv 🤦

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Realised when I went for manual venv and it didn't work as well

sonic badger Sep 23, 2021, 11:09 AM

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#

intro.py

name = input('What is your name? ') 
time.sleep(1)
print ("Hello " + name)
time.sleep(2)
print ("Welcome to the my simple calculator")
time.sleep(2)
print ("First you have to enter two numbers. ")  
time.sleep(2)
print("Then the calculator will find the following things of those numbers:")
time.sleep(2)
print("addition, substraction, multiplication and division") 
time.sleep(2)
yes_no = input("Are you ready? (yes/no) ")
yes = ("yes")
no = ("no")
if str(yes_no) == str(yes): 
    import calculator
else: 
    print("Okay. Have a good day " + name) ```

calculator.py
```import time
time.sleep(1.5)
a = input("Enter first number: ")
time.sleep(1.5)
b = input("Enter second number: ")
time.sleep(1.5)
print("Finding calculation...")
time.sleep(1.5)
addition = int(a) + int(b)
substraction = int(a) - int(b)
multiplication = int(a) * int(b)
division = int(a) / int(b)  
print ("Addition : ")
print (int(addition))
print ("Substraction : ")
print (substraction)
print ("Multiplication : ") 
print (multiplication)
print ("Division : ")
print (division)```

sonic badger Sep 23, 2021, 11:10 AM

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sonic badger

how do i add space between the lines of the output

tranquil orchid Sep 23, 2021, 11:10 AM

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@sonic badger These are off-topic channels, if you have Python questions you should head to a help channel

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#❓｜how-to-get-help

sonic badger Sep 23, 2021, 11:10 AM

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oh okay

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mb

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 11:10 AM

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backslash n

tranquil orchid Sep 23, 2021, 11:11 AM

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But yeah, you can just use \n as the newline character

inland wolf Sep 23, 2021, 11:25 AM

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bruh

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is that comic sans windows 8

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can it get more comical

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

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sonic badger intro.py ```import time name = input('What is your name? ') time.sleep(1) print...

Enter 0 as second number. I dare you :P

sonic badger Sep 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

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okay

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;-;

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howww

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@harsh tundra teach me debug of that

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 12:29 PM

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sonic badger <@!124812862567743488> teach me debug of that

This explains the error well https://www.yawintutor.com/zerodivisionerror-division-by-zero/
Just mind that they use python2 print - you have to use parentheses to make it valid python3 :) (so use print(c) instead of their print c)

Yawin Tutor

ZeroDivisionError: division by zero

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 12:40 PM

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@pure yarrow () => queue[0] is a function which takes no arguments and returns queue[0]

pure yarrow Sep 23, 2021, 12:41 PM

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i dont quite follow

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does it just return the variable?

viscid hemlock Sep 23, 2021, 12:42 PM

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Yeah

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The equivalent of lambda: queue[0]

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 12:43 PM

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pure yarrow does it just return the variable?

yeah

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 1:12 PM

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harsh tundra Ah, no, it works. I just didn't install 3.9-venv 🤦

I'll assume you're not using pyenv... In that case, I'd really recommend it

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Generally, it's recommended that you don't need with the system interpreters

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:39 PM

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latent scaffold I'll assume you're not using pyenv... In that case, I'd really recommend it

I use virtualenvwrapper which is a wrapper around virtualenv.
It's defined mostly as bunch of shell scripts and stuff. It works fine, as I said the only problem was that lack of venv in my python install XD

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 1:40 PM

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pyenv isn't really related to venvs all too much

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it's for Python version management

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:40 PM

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Ah, but I asked about venv management :P

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 1:40 PM

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Yes, but also across multiple versions, no?

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regardless, it's a great tool on *NIX

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I just figured you weren't using it because of the 3.9-venv package thing, so I thought I'd recommend it

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:42 PM

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latent scaffold Generally, it's recommended that you don't need with the system interpreters

I don't really deal with switching system interpreters. I prefer to keep the whole names and stuff so I don't get confused :P so the only time I actually use "python" and "pip" literally is in venvs

spare lance Sep 23, 2021, 1:42 PM

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harsh tundra I use virtualenvwrapper which is a wrapper around virtualenv. It's defined mostl...

what extras does it add to virtualenv? pithink

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 1:43 PM

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harsh tundra I don't really deal with switching system interpreters. I prefer to keep the who...

It's not really about switching the system interpreter as just having a convenient way to mange multiple versions and trying to avoid potential conflicts

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It also makes installing impls like pypy, anaconda, and etc very easy

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:43 PM

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latent scaffold I just figured you weren't using it because of the `3.9-venv` package thing, so ...

I just freshly installed 3.9 and did just apt install python3.9, not even python3.9-dev which bit me in my ass because of that lack of venv module

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 1:43 PM

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as well as Python 3.10 pre-releases

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:43 PM

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I'll probably look into it

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 1:44 PM

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pyenv's like the first thing I install when I install a new distro lol

spare lance Sep 23, 2021, 1:44 PM

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latent scaffold `pyenv`'s like the first thing I install when I install a new distro lol

ah damn

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:45 PM

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spare lance what extras does it add to virtualenv? <:pithink:652247559909277706>

You get venvs in one place. workon to list and switch venvs. Some other shell commands to manage them, including linking a project so that you are automatically cd'ed into a correct dir on activation and stuff.

spare lance Sep 23, 2021, 1:46 PM

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harsh tundra You get venvs in one place. `workon` to list and switch venvs. Some other shell ...

ah that seems nice pithink
virtualenv just creates a virtualenv at the place right? and you gotta cd to it manually and activate (or am i doing it wrong the whole time)

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:47 PM

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 ➜ virtualenvwrapper

virtualenvwrapper is a set of extensions to Ian Bicking's virtualenv
tool.  The extensions include wrappers for creating and deleting
virtual environments and otherwise managing your development workflow,
making it easier to work on more than one project at a time without
introducing conflicts in their dependencies.

For more information please refer to the documentation:

    http://virtualenvwrapper.readthedocs.org/en/latest/command_ref.html

Commands available:

  add2virtualenv: add directory to the import path

  allvirtualenv: run a command in all virtualenvs

  cdproject: change directory to the active project

  cdsitepackages: change to the site-packages directory

  cdvirtualenv: change to the $VIRTUAL_ENV directory

  cpvirtualenv: duplicate the named virtualenv to make a new one

  lssitepackages: list contents of the site-packages directory

  lsvirtualenv: list virtualenvs

  mkproject: create a new project directory and its associated virtualenv

  mktmpenv: create a temporary virtualenv

  mkvirtualenv: Create a new virtualenv in $WORKON_HOME

  rmvirtualenv: Remove a virtualenv

  setvirtualenvproject: associate a project directory with a virtualenv

  showvirtualenv: show details of a single virtualenv

  toggleglobalsitepackages: turn access to global site-packages on/off

  virtualenvwrapper: show this help message

  wipeenv: remove all packages installed in the current virtualenv

  workon: list or change working virtualenvs

Those are the commands from there (that's literally what shows up if I do virtualenvwrapper in terminal - it's a general help)

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I don't really use all features in here. I mostly just create and workon. I often have multiple projects tied to one venv and i use PyCharm to link them to each other. I also use PyCharm for my git. I'm not a terminal poweruser, I'm too lazy and have too short memory to actually learn how to be better with my terminal...

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 1:50 PM

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I feel like you just barely escaped a mute lol

spare lance Sep 23, 2021, 1:50 PM

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harsh tundra ``` ➜ virtualenvwrapper virtualenvwrapper is a set of extensions to Ian Bickin...

somewhat of a virtual environment manager with some good stuff yeah pithink
managing multiple projects would be easier with this i assume..

harsh tundra Sep 23, 2021, 1:59 PM

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latent scaffold I feel like you just *barely* escaped a mute lol

I was wondering if I'll hit it or not XD I was considering deleting the spacing newlines but eventually went for it XD having an infraction because I shared a cool tool would be funny XD

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It's not that long, it's around 50 lines, I think. So I just went for it

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... Exactly 50 for the snippet itself for me. When copying to the message I deleted a leading newline. So it's 49 for the content itself, 51 with ```s on both sides, and then 3 lines more for non-block stuff

latent scaffold Sep 23, 2021, 2:10 PM

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ah, looks like the limit is somewhere around 100

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:14 PM

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@rough sapphire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6gV6OSaahg read the subs 😄

YouTube

Forgetfulsubs

【Kanzaki Iori】Hated by life itself - eng sub【Hatsune Miku】

We who were but youths, at some point, start to change into young adults.
Please remember to support Kanzaki on the official uploads / 本家様: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HYm60Mjm0k &
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31700140 !!

(Kanzaki is also known as “Kurogaki” but they credited themselves as Kanzaki Iori in the video, so I matched that)

...

▶ Play video

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:15 PM

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hol' on.

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:16 PM

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mild abyss <@456226577798135808> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6gV6OSaahg read the subs ...

duh why this much 😂😂

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:17 PM

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idk man i have been feeling unwell for this past months

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:18 PM

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happens, me too! tho on that time listen to songs like Imagine.

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by lennon y'know.

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:18 PM

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idk. i always heard his songs when i was a kid so it holds no meaning now

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:18 PM

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wow, lucky me, I heard them now.

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funny how if we hear them in childhood they kinda loose meaning

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:20 PM

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i always hear it everyday during those times because my mom

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:20 PM

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she into rock?

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:20 PM

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nah. people at our place in her generation listen to those kind of songs

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i am just lonely and depressed during covid. a lot happened so much. i even thought having good grades will make me happy. i did get it but what is there after? nothing. i feel nothing. my relationship went crashin three months ago as well. i have episodes starting march where i suddenly get anxious and i feel like i cant breathe

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it always happen late at night

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now i play genshin impact but, even if i have the urge to play, i feel not liking to play. i feel no fun anymore.

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i may smile with the achievements i did but it is just a fleeting feeling, it just go poof so suddenly and then back to sadness again

dire siren Sep 23, 2021, 2:24 PM

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sounds like some side effects of drugs

uneven pine Sep 23, 2021, 2:24 PM

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You should probably see a therapist dawg

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:24 PM

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dire siren sounds like some side effects of drugs

no, not really.

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:24 PM

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dire siren sounds like some side effects of drugs

wtf are u talking about?

acoustic moss Sep 23, 2021, 2:24 PM

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dire siren sounds like some side effects of drugs

bruh

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:24 PM

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dire siren sounds like some side effects of drugs

i mean people do have that, I am so happy I'm leaving home, i cannot even study here, thats no effects of drugs.

dire siren Sep 23, 2021, 2:25 PM

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mild abyss wtf are u talking about?

short duration of happiness > sad again

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:25 PM

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dire siren short duration of happiness > sad again

we call it being moody at certain times, and drugs don't need to be there really to have that. jesus christ.

dire siren Sep 23, 2021, 2:25 PM

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i just made a bad joke lemon_pensive

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:25 PM

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very bad

gritty zinc Sep 23, 2021, 2:26 PM

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i feel no fun anymore.
i may smile with the achievements i did but it is just a fleeting feeling, it just go poof so suddenly and then back to sadness again
yikes, that is pretty much what depression is usually defined as, indeed

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:26 PM

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mild abyss it always happen late at night

why don't you try to change schedule a bit? It helped me a bit before a while.

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:26 PM

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uneven pine You should probably see a therapist dawg

yeah i should. but even my fam does not recognize that it is real. i just need a break from everything lol. it happens from time to time. i just didnt know it happens to me. now i can finally understand what my other friend felt when she also have this kind of episodes.

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:27 PM

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mild abyss yeah i should. but even my fam does not recognize that it is real. i just need a...

kinda happens with me too. I'm getting so irritated by everyone from ones in awhile i feel like just shut the fuck up everyone.

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even hobbies don't help

dire siren Sep 23, 2021, 2:28 PM

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ah good luck getting rid of it

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:28 PM

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but yeah therapy should help.

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:30 PM

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yeah. it is very hard to get rid of. i just didnt expect it to happen to me. i really hate these two years in covid. i even lash out to my ex and now i feel like an asshole. i also get easily irritated to things that are usually so simple. and my usual escape now is reading comics and doing hobbies. it might help a lil but it feels too temporary

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:31 PM

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mild abyss yeah. it is very hard to get rid of. i just didnt expect it to happen to me. i r...

what sux is at the end of the day even after spending time on all these hobbies you're on page 1.

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:31 PM

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rough sapphire why don't you try to change schedule a bit? It helped me a bit before a while.

how do u change scheds. it is sudden for me. i wake up at dawn and then i feel like i cant breathe

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:32 PM

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mild abyss how do u change scheds. it is sudden for me. i wake up at dawn and then i feel l...

its very very tough.
you basically want to try to sleep earlier than usual. which you won't be able to for first 2-3 days(depends on people)
and you wake up bit earlier and do not try to sleep no matter what.

so in a way your body gets used to it.

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support from parents help a lot in this one, you can just say i want to wake up early from tomorrow and you guys wake me up no matter what.

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if your body can migrate easily, you can kinda have better schedule in 1-2 weeks, but yeah, its not exactly easy.

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but it helped me, waking early, giving water to plants.

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also insteada using cellphone, you can read actual books, phones are worst. and toughest part.

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:36 PM

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i will try. i will get some counseling starting the following day. and also reading again the programming books i bought which unluckily went unused because it happened at around that time. and also write new projects. i have lots of ideas and projects but they were never realized because of what i am in right now. but maybe just maybe it will go away. maybe my feeling of discontent, and loneliness, will go away, i really need to learn how to love myself again because i have forgotten how to. idk. i think i know but idk.

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

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mild abyss i will try. i will get some counseling starting the following day. and also read...

counseling would be pretty better i think, we internet people will just share our experiences, which may even have bad effects on you.

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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alright hm :) thanks for listening.

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i think imma go wash some dishes now. thanks again

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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its alright! thanks for sharing great songs!!

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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mild abyss i think imma go wash some dishes now. thanks again

sure np! night!

twin charm Sep 23, 2021, 3:34 PM

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how can I stop procrastinating? My mind works in a weird way, lets say its 8:43pm or smth, I can only start doing homework at 8:50 and when its smth like 8:52, I'm like, fuck it, 9:00 is the beginning of the hour, I'll start then. This extends... a lott. I sleep at 3:00AM or beyond and idek I'm just terrible at time management. What can I do?

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I've been getting very little sleep lately

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I don't even feel sleepy until its 2:30

gritty zinc Sep 23, 2021, 3:47 PM

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relatable

mild abyss Sep 23, 2021, 3:54 PM

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zigs animal is a reptilian

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hmmm

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and python is python

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animals

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i thought go is a weird cross between a beaver and a rat

edgy crest Sep 23, 2021, 4:00 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher

Gopher

Pocket gophers, commonly referred to simply as gophers, are burrowing rodents of the family Geomyidae. The roughly 35 species are all endemic to North and Central America. They are commonly known for their extensive tunneling activities and their ability to destroy farms and gardens.

The name "pocket gopher" on its own may refer to any of a nu...

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its an actual animal

solid pollen Sep 23, 2021, 4:12 PM

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partygopher

twin charm Sep 23, 2021, 4:14 PM

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aaaa my eyes

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the most psychedelic emoji ever

wild yarrow Sep 23, 2021, 4:15 PM

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pocket gophers are annoying

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they destroy the ground and make it dangerous for livestock

uneven pine Sep 23, 2021, 4:46 PM

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twin charm how can I stop procrastinating? My mind works in a weird way, lets say its 8:43p...

Stop focusing on time so much, set yourself small goals that are part of the bigger goal

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Like for example say, instead of "I need to start my homework at 9"

"I will now do a few things on my math homework", and if you stop after a couple, that's fine. Let yourself get distracted but keep coming back, maybe you watch a YouTube video? Turn off autoplay, get yourself to do a little more before clicking to the next video

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Then say you've finished the math, don't see it as "I have everything else to do" look at "I have completed this entire subset"

tribal aurora Sep 23, 2021, 5:04 PM

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solid pollen <a:partygopher:472490455096098827> <a:partygopher:472490455096098827> <a:partygo...

it's like go

tribal aurora Sep 23, 2021, 5:05 PM

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twin charm how can I stop procrastinating? My mind works in a weird way, lets say its 8:43p...

do some exercises to feel sleepy

solid pollen Sep 23, 2021, 5:11 PM

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tribal aurora it's like go

I mean it is go lol

tribal aurora Sep 23, 2021, 5:11 PM

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solid pollen I mean it is go lol

oh lol

winter terrace Sep 23, 2021, 10:09 PM

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oh look its mario kart but square enix

rough sapphire Sep 23, 2021, 10:57 PM

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twin charm how can I stop procrastinating? My mind works in a weird way, lets say its 8:43p...

easy, don't wait for time point. hide all the clocks if necessary

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also, the strategy that worked for me: i used to be bad at getting myself to do something, but it's easy to prevent yourself from doing something. so simply self restrict yourself to either study / do productive work OR lay in bed idle

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eventually you will be bored of being idle in bed, at which point you'll likely be motivated to do productive stuff

narrow viper Sep 24, 2021, 1:30 AM

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yo can any1 help me w my java homework,, beginner level

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really easy stuff just not for me

forest mesa Sep 24, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Hello, I am new to coding and need help. I want to start with python as my first language.
As you all are experienced, can you pls tell how and from where should I learn. And what mistakes not to make

rough sapphire Sep 24, 2021, 4:35 AM

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!resources

royal lakeBOT Sep 24, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

rough sapphire Sep 24, 2021, 4:36 AM

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royal lake

@forest mesa you can checkout this link! also it's alright to make mistakes. just keep practicing. and try to do things by yourself. that's all!

forest mesa Sep 24, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Thank you

opal atlas Sep 24, 2021, 5:32 AM

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it's a consesus that the world is worst almost after covid

soft violet Sep 24, 2021, 6:04 AM

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There's an after Covid at this point?

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I mean, sure, is it possible? Yes.

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But then we have the meth-for-brains.

wild yarrow Sep 24, 2021, 6:08 AM

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meth for brains is generous tbh

soft violet Sep 24, 2021, 6:09 AM

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"See this gate? See this timer? All you have to do is wait ten minutes for the gate to open. Each time you try to open it early, you have to wait ten minutes from that point, okay? After you wait, you can go anywhere and do anything you like, okay?"

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https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

Tenor

wild yarrow Sep 24, 2021, 6:10 AM

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that is an excellent analogy

soft violet Sep 24, 2021, 6:11 AM

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...and here we are approaching two years later.

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Nobody asked you, Sir Lancebot.

median domeBOT Sep 24, 2021, 6:26 AM

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how wude

inland wolf Sep 24, 2021, 9:36 AM

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tf

dire siren Sep 24, 2021, 9:52 AM

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.uwu how rude

median domeBOT Sep 24, 2021, 9:52 AM

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how wude

drowsy pumice Sep 24, 2021, 10:36 AM

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ready

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fight

latent scaffold Sep 24, 2021, 10:37 AM

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The closed ecosystem of Apple sucks. That's my take

opaque bronze Sep 24, 2021, 11:07 AM

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what is this ot name

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phthalate sounds like a chemical

acoustic moss Sep 24, 2021, 11:08 AM

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p sure it is

surreal hornet Sep 24, 2021, 12:19 PM

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it's hard to gain reputation on stackoverflow :(

opaque bronze Sep 24, 2021, 12:22 PM

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fr no one upvotes

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anyway they are just imaginary internet points, so not a big deal

odd sluice Sep 24, 2021, 12:24 PM

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opaque bronze phthalate sounds like a chemical

it is a chemical

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an ester to be a bit more accurate

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used in making plastic

harsh tundra Sep 24, 2021, 12:30 PM

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surreal hornet it's hard to gain reputation on stackoverflow :(

Answer stuff and don't care about rep. Then you'll earn it

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At this point I sometimes help in comments and don't write answers. So no rep for me. But I prefer this discussion and coming to a good answer together than writing my first idea and getting it wrong

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I have 3.9k rep at this point. I don't know why, I don't know when

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It just happened

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I literally have over 50 points for some recursive function question that's more like school question... I literally started it with explanation how to write the formula in a recursive-friendly way and gave a hint, then marked the full answer as "don't look if you want to try it yourself". And some person complaining in the comments that it's not "a total function" when no answer posted by anyone there contained a total function. XD

dire siren Sep 24, 2021, 12:45 PM

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lots of rep 👀

odd sluice Sep 24, 2021, 12:45 PM

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people on stackoverflow are like wolves, they will jump at any attempt to drag you down

dire siren Sep 24, 2021, 12:46 PM

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only have 135 rep rn, i dont visit that site very much

odd sluice Sep 24, 2021, 12:46 PM

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while i do agree some people help for the sake of helping

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the majority will jump at getting more rep

shy haven Sep 24, 2021, 7:39 PM

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That feeling of knowing how to write code but not knowing how to code 😭

inner patio Sep 24, 2021, 8:05 PM

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We're trying to get the OUYA Forum back online, Sign & Share if you can!
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Petition Request to Revive OUYAforum.com

A request to revive OUYAforum.com

winter terrace Sep 24, 2021, 9:28 PM

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calm dawn Sep 25, 2021, 12:16 AM

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erm...

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The loading sequence of my code just generated a 1530 line log file...

vapid nymph Sep 25, 2021, 12:16 AM

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lmfao

calm dawn Sep 25, 2021, 12:17 AM

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and it's in the main loop I got no clue what it's doing

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log file is at over 16000 lines

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19000 when I killed it...

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wtf have I done...

odd sluice Sep 25, 2021, 2:20 AM

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alias terminate="exit"

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there

frail badge Sep 25, 2021, 3:40 AM

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winter terrace

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ive done the job for you

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its joe!

tall ermine Sep 25, 2021, 3:45 AM

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brilliant website

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||https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/||

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hidden due to vulgar language

rough sapphire Sep 25, 2021, 3:48 AM

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tall ermine hidden due to vulgar language

ah very cool indeed

dire siren Sep 25, 2021, 3:57 AM

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this ot name sounds salt die

last mantle Sep 25, 2021, 4:24 AM

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ye

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lemme find a better one

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|| https://thebestmotherfuckingwebsite.co/||

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credits to lak

dire siren Sep 25, 2021, 4:30 AM

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it is truly the best motherfucking website

gilded prawn Sep 25, 2021, 5:14 AM

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||https://perfectmotherfuckingwebsite.com/||

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KEKW

clear acorn Sep 25, 2021, 5:14 AM

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gilded prawn ||https://perfectmotherfuckingwebsite.com/||

||prove that 7<5||

gilded prawn Sep 25, 2021, 5:16 AM

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clear acorn ||prove that `7<5`||

clear acorn Sep 25, 2021, 5:16 AM

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gilded prawn

😬

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!e

print(7 < 5)

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 5:16 AM

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@clear acorn :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

gilded prawn Sep 25, 2021, 5:16 AM

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snekbox is lying

clear acorn Sep 25, 2021, 5:17 AM

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gilded prawn snekbox is lying

||no u||

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ducky_devil

gilded prawn Sep 25, 2021, 5:17 AM

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!e

import ctypes

def deref(addr, typ):
    return ctypes.cast(addr, ctypes.POINTER(typ))

deref(id(7), ctypes.c_int)[6] = 4

print(7 < 5)

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 5:17 AM

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@gilded prawn :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

gilded prawn Sep 25, 2021, 5:17 AM

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see

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7 < 5

drifting sage Sep 25, 2021, 5:18 AM

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gilded prawn !e ```py import ctypes def deref(addr, typ): return ctypes.cast(addr, ctype...

Wooah

clear acorn Sep 25, 2021, 5:18 AM

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gilded prawn !e ```py import ctypes def deref(addr, typ): return ctypes.cast(addr, ctype...

bloody hell

drifting sage Sep 25, 2021, 5:18 AM

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idk about ctypes

gilded prawn Sep 25, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Pepesmile

drifting sage Sep 25, 2021, 5:18 AM

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But it seems really powerful

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 5:18 AM

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@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

drifting sage Sep 25, 2021, 5:18 AM

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wtffff

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Confused screaming

gilded prawn Sep 25, 2021, 5:19 AM

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.bm

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thank you i will be breaking things with that in the future

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lol

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 5:20 AM

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@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

clear acorn Sep 25, 2021, 5:22 AM

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!d ctypes

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 5:22 AM

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ctypes

ctypes is a foreign function library for Python. It provides C compatible data types, and allows calling functions in DLLs or shared libraries. It can be used to wrap these libraries in pure Python.

dire siren Sep 25, 2021, 5:26 AM

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why not setattr

last mantle Sep 25, 2021, 6:56 AM

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well if you know C, this makes a lot of sense

rough sapphire Sep 25, 2021, 7:01 AM

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7<5....................... my head's in a merry go round

solemn leaf Sep 25, 2021, 8:00 AM

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pretty sure the 6th element contains integer value

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print it and se

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!e

import ctypes,inspect

def deref(addr, typ):
    return ctypes.cast(addr, ctypes.POINTER(typ))

print(inspect.getsource(deref(id(7), ctypes.c_int)))

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damn

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 8:01 AM

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@solemn leaf :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

['__bool__', '__class__', '__ctypes_from_outparam__', '__delattr__', '__delitem__', '__dict__', '__dir__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__format__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__getitem__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__init_subclass__', '__le__', '__lt__', '__module__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__setitem__', '__setstate__', '__sizeof__', '__str__', '__subclasshook__', '__weakref__', '_b_base_', '_b_needsfree_', '_objects', '_type_', 'contents']

rough sapphire Sep 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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!e
print(7 < 5)

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

rough sapphire Sep 25, 2021, 8:11 AM

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no way

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 9:19 AM

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!e
print(bool('This is a python server'))

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 9:19 AM

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@slow juniper :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

floral apex Sep 25, 2021, 9:32 AM

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royal lake

Oh so I can use C libraries with Python

dire siren Sep 25, 2021, 9:32 AM

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floral apex Oh so I can use C libraries with Python

yes

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that's why some libs are called c wrapper mayhaps

floral apex Sep 25, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Guess I'll go explore GitHub then, or some dedicated place to C

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When I feel like it

latent scaffold Sep 25, 2021, 9:33 AM

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I wonder how easy it is to use C/C++ libraries in Python

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or make, rather

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I know there's like opencv which is C++

broken dew Sep 25, 2021, 10:26 AM

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latent scaffold I wonder how easy it is to use C/C++ libraries in Python

Cython makes these things quite a bit easier

latent scaffold Sep 25, 2021, 10:28 AM

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broken dew Cython makes these things quite a bit easier

But can you use Cython libraries in CPython?

broken dew Sep 25, 2021, 10:29 AM

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That’s kind of the point. Cython is optimised for CPython

latent scaffold Sep 25, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I didn't know that

broken dew Sep 25, 2021, 10:30 AM

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Cython “cythonizes” Cython code into pure C/C++, which is then compiled by distutils into a shared object file which counts as a valid Python module

last mantle Sep 25, 2021, 11:52 AM

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basically C FFI?

broken dew Sep 25, 2021, 12:23 PM

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You can use it like that, but you can also use it to bring the speed of C to semi-regular Python

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 3:58 PM

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@slow juniper

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The reason I told u to delete the link is cz that is the wrong one

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slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Oh.

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@tulip cedar Ok. ummmm. I didn't knew that... :/

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Haha it is fine

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Lol

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:00 PM

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BTW may I know how u came to know about that?

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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In your profile

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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My username is Hunter2809 not Hunter2089 haha

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Typo

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Ummm. ok

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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slow juniper In your profile

Ah, I never knew people read my profile

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Oh

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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~~I thought I was the one who stalked other people~~

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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everyone can

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lol

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And what is Useless day?

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???

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Eh, just some personal things happened that day 🤷‍♂️

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Ok

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Now I understand. Lol

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:03 PM

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Indeed

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Yups

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BTW Thanks for your kind message in #discord-bots (if it was about me haha)

Appericiate it

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:04 PM

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lol

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!e
if sad() == True:
sad().stop()
beAwsome()

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 4:11 PM

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@slow juniper :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
003 | NameError: name 'sad' is not defined

tulip cedar Sep 25, 2021, 4:11 PM

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slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:11 PM

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Opps

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No probs

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Sry

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I don't mind pings

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So sorry for the pings

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Its fine, as I said

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Tnx

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worldly current Sep 25, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Why error

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:16 PM

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#❓｜how-to-get-help

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Check this out

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Kk

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:)

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@worldly current Any error codes?

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#help-apple

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Talk there

slow juniper Sep 25, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Was a simple mistake. You don't have to be sorry.

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!e
def sad():
retrun True

if sad() == True:
sad().stop()
beAwsome()

royal lakeBOT Sep 25, 2021, 4:22 PM

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@slow juniper :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "<string>", line 2
002 |     retrun True
003 |            ^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax

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:(

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!e
print(bool('Python bot is bad.'))

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@slow juniper :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

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Bad

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Lol

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Retrun

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i had a ques

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how does bool() return something as we instantiate an object with it

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since we are not calling the object and we can't return anything except None from the init dunder \🤔

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it uses __new__

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ah

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it gets called along init

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hm

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useful

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#bot-commands print(7 < 5)

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@ python docs please document list methods in a way consistent with all the other builtins i am begging you

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I actually do use Ubuntu as my main OS ^^

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restive lagoon @ python docs please document list methods in a way consistent with all the othe...

what's wrong with the docs?

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afaik the built-in list class doesn't have a dedicated page in the docs, which makes finding its methods for reference slightly annoying/finicky

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i'm not actually that annoyed it's just a slight inconvenience and i'm not sure why it's done this way?

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https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html

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I just ctrl-f the heck out of this page

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restive lagoon afaik the built-in list class doesn't have a dedicated page in the docs, which m...

You could always propose a change on a forum like https://discuss.python.org

Discussions on Python.org

Discussions related to the Python Programming Language, Python Community, and Python Software Foundation operations.

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slow juniper I don't use wbuntu btw

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some wrong typing

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@slow juniper :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

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awdfadfs

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color

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idk havent celebrated it

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i guess

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@rough sapphire

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wdym dead

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median dome

eat it

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#sir-lancebot-playground

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make gazillion dollar company, morally

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late cobalt make gazillion dollar company, morally

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this otn

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ubuntu

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dubai is pog

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Ez jobs

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~~and slavery~~

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Sussy employment issues lmfao

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its one way to say it

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Best way

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low chasm Lol

aboo came without saying Hi :D, meaning aboo was not happy?

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dire siren aboo came without saying `Hi :D`, meaning aboo was not happy?

or this is impostor

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sus

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fake aboo

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sus

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I hope you both have horrible days

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dire siren fake aboo

what the fuck

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I am real aboo

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uneven pine I hope you both have horrible days

why 😭

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Among us crap

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low chasm I am real aboo

Aboo Minister#3764 is real aboo

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uneven pine Among us crap

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@zealous ember

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what

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who the fuck is that

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low chasm who the fuck is that

that is real aboo

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hwat

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uneven pine Among us crap

at the end of the day , if a game makes you happy , i'd surely play that game whenever i can

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BUT

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i agree that among us is crap

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and the memes related to it isnt really that funny

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imo among us on its own isnt that bad

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but the fandom... is

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lmao

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odd sluice but the fandom... is

it really doesn't have much of a fandom

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what's bad is everything about Among Us other than the game

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rough sapphire at the end of the day , if a game makes you happy , i'd surely play that game wh...

I actually really enjoy the game, I hate the meme

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I hate that I can't do anything in any place online without seeing "hahahaha sus lollllll sussy baka lmao hahahahahahahaha AMOGUD looool"

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And I hope you have a bad day too danger noodle >:(

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The game looks decent enough

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But the memes are so fucking tired that I just don't want to be anywhere near it

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It's like the doge meme

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And then it dragged on for years

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uneven pine I actually really enjoy the game, I hate the meme

i've only enjoyed the game when i had some friends to play with tbh , but i started spending more time away from them and more time on myself , and most of them didnt like it which just sucked expect one person vibing he did the same and most times we help each other improve ourself