ot1-perplexing-regexing

[acoustic moss]

oh ok

[gritty zinc]

lol, submitting a new improved solution to be evaluated be like

oh damn, looks like my solution crashes sometimes
https://www.codingame.com/replay/566937706

not a good thing

(no other explanation for the game ending abruptly like that)

[acoustic moss]

F

[gritty zinc]

and another one...

damn, this is a problem

...now that I think of it, maybe I should seed my rng so that the behaviour is replicable, lol

oh, it's actually a timeout, huh

let's see if lowering the time per turn by a millisecond would help with that

[odd sluice]

inp = [int(x) for x in input().split()]
basinp = [abs(x) for x in inp]
print(min(basinp))

Found: 5
Expected: 1

tf

nvm found the problem

[acoustic moss]

lol

[clear acorn]

lol

[edgy crest]

where funny

[gritty zinc]

oh wow, here's a replay of someone actually defeating my AI
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/566944970

[odd sluice]

brnr, inp = input(), [int(x) for x in input().split()]
bp = [abs(x) for x in inp]
mv = inp[bp.index(min(bp))]
print([mv if abs(mv) not in inp else abs(mv)][0])

how to golf this further

[gritty zinc]

their hunter managed to block my runner so well, I hit the 100-turn timeout without reaching any checkpoints and lost

[odd sluice]

oof

[gritty zinc]

https://www.codingame.com/replay/566946073
but some fights go quite the opposite - very well

[odd sluice]

someone?

[opaque bronze]

im stuck in wood 1 league

i don't know how to progress 😫

import sys
import math

class ParamsIO:

    def __iter__(self):
        params = [
            ('x', 'y', 'x_c', 'y_c', 'dist', 'angle'),
            ('x_opp', 'y_opp')
        ]

        while True:
            p = {}

            for line in params:
                io = [int(x) for x in input().split()]

                for k,v in zip(line, io):
                    p[k] = v
            
            yield p
    
    def log(self, string):
        print(string, file=sys.stderr, flush=True)

    def send(self, *data):
        print(*data)


io = ParamsIO()
boost = True

for p in io:
    angle = math.radians(p['angle'])
    cosine = abs(math.cos(angle))

    thrust = round(100 * cosine)
    
    if all([
        p['dist'] < 1200,
        0.8 < cosine < 1
    ]):
        thrust //= 2
    if boost:
        thrust = 'BOOST'
        boost = False

    io.send(p['x_c'], p['y_c'], thrust)

any suggestions?

[inland wolf]

nop

its perfect

[clear plume]

Could be a bit more esoteric but

Ohh well

[rough sapphire]

the name of this channel comes from one of the very famous books named clockwork orange. thanks for reading.

[tired juniper]

any linux user here?

[opaque bronze]

not me, but yes

[tired juniper]

wtfwtfwtftwtffwt

[low chasm]

yep

[heady axle]

is there a django channel?

[low chasm]

We have #web-development, but nothing specifically for django

[heady axle]

thanks

[limber mantle]

what's its lang?

[gritty zinc]

wdym?

my bot is in Rust, if that's what you mean

[low chasm]

ooh Rust

[gritty zinc]

1969 lines of Rust

[low chasm]

ooh more rust :D

[limber mantle]

omg, we can choose any language there)

That's great

[gritty zinc]

yup

[limber mantle]

I am going to be terrible, but I need learning new language

[low chasm]

Learn Rust :D

[limber mantle]

Seriously needing leveling my javascript + typescript

I wish learning frontend

I have no options else in this field)

eh, it would be much easier to choose python for the bot though.

[gritty zinc]

argh, this opponent keeps beating me:
https://www.codingame.com/share-replay/566987534

like, it's worse than mine, but it's just a bad matchup

I lose probably like 20-30% against them

[inland wolf]

i see rust and aboo

unsuprising

[limber mantle]

broken replay

[low chasm]

lmao

[edgy crest]

69

[gritty zinc]

better? https://www.codingame.com/replay/566987534

[limber mantle]

yup

[gritty zinc]

mostly because my AI uses a basic heurisic AI to simulate opponents that works by mostly running towards the goal

and this is very far from how this person's AI actually works - by mainly blocking checkpoints, and doing so very well

so most of the enemy's moves are completely different from what my AI predicts.

[limber mantle]

would not be actually Python as the best language for this game?

I mean python is quick easy for neutral networks

so in theory python is quickest access for the best bots?

[gritty zinc]

this isn't using a neural network, only a genetic algorithm

[limber mantle]

uh. Can we attach external libraries 😉

[gritty zinc]

but also:

1. no available ML libraries for Python, so you'd have to do the learning locally
2. unless you're using a model-free approach, you'd have to do simulations, and that's slow in Python

[low chasm]

Rust speed

[gritty zinc]

some: https://www.codingame.com/faq

Python3 3.9.2
Includes NumPy 1.20.2, pandas 1.2.4, SciPy 1.6.3

Soon

and then I'll actually be able to improve my bot more since I'll get good feedback at how well it's performing against like opponents

[limber mantle]

Simple Speed ;b

[gritty zinc]

huh, strange, it seems my AI also can't predict losses due to timeout

will need to fix that

I am simulating that, so I'm probably not updating the timeouts right.

[limber mantle]

how is the game working to move the car?

[gritty zinc]

not sure what exactly you mean
https://www.codingame.com/ide/puzzle/coders-strike-back is it, the rules are:

The players each control a team of two pods during a race. As soon as a pod completes the race, that pod's team is declared the winner.
The circuit of the race is made up of checkpoints. To complete one lap, your vehicle (pod) must pass through each one in order and back through the start. The first player to reach the start on the final lap wins.

The game is played on a map 16000 units wide and 9000 units high. The coordinate X=0, Y=0 is the top left pixel.

The checkpoints work as follows:

The checkpoints are circular, with a radius of 600 units.
Checkpoints are numbered from 0 to N where 0 is the start and N-1 is the last checkpoint.
The disposition of the checkpoints is selected randomly for each race.

The pods work as follows:

To pass a checkpoint, the center of a pod must be inside the radius of the checkpoint.
To move a pod, you must print a target destination point followed by a thrust value. Details of the protocol can be found further down.
The thrust value of a pod is its acceleration and must be between 0 and 100.
The pod will pivot to face the destination point by a maximum of 18 degrees per turn and will then accelerate in that direction.
You can use 1 acceleration boost in the race, you only need to replace the thrust value by the BOOST keyword.
You may activate a pod's shields with the SHIELD command instead of accelerating. This will give the pod much more weight if it collides with another. However, the pod will not be able to accelerate for the next 3 turns.
The pods have a circular force-field around their center, with a radius of 400 units, which activates in case of collisions with other pods.
The pods may move normally outside the game area.
If none of your pods make it to their next checkpoint in under 100 turns, you are eliminated and lose the game. Only one pod need to complete the race.

Victory Conditions
Be the first to complete all the laps of the circuit with one pod.

Lose Conditions

Your program provides incorrect output.
Your program times out.
None of your pods reach their next checkpoint in time.
Somebody else wins.

there's also expert rules that say exactly how the physics engine works (for building your own simulator)

Basically, a pod has a position, velocity, and angle. It may thrust in its current direction (or enable shield instead) by up to 100 points/turn^2 and change angle by up to 18 degrees per turn.

lol, increasing prediction length to 15 turns starts really messing with my AI: https://www.codingame.com/replay/566991385

in the middle both pods just leave the screen, then come back

wtf was that solution

[limber mantle]

giggles

it is fun

linear algebra made me prepared to it

[gritty zinc]

now my bot gets its ass whooped in legend league

https://www.codingame.com/replay/566998285
lol

this actually seems to be a heuristic bot

one good enough to reach (the low ranks of) Legend

[ruby fox]

did you use NN?

[gritty zinc]

nope, just genetic algorithms

looking at some replays, right now my solutions clearly don't converge

[rough sapphire]

lmao

[gritty zinc]

for example, my bot tends to often not use full engine power

I probably should make my mutations affect only one part of the gene and not all of it..

...and probably also make mutation chance decrease over the course of a round, so that at the end the solutions converge

though I wonder if that's the reason...

[clear acorn]

what have you done lemon

[modern haven]

lmao when kutiekatj9 was less then a helper

[ruby fox]

@ everyone

hahaha

[modern haven]

@rough sapphire (sorry for ping)

[wraith hound]

Haha nope

[inland wolf]

bruh

[wraith hound]

Since when

[clear acorn]

np man

[modern haven]

bruh 😂 didnt even ping you

[clear acorn]

It's fine

[modern haven]

idk i just watched the lemon ping vid and she wasnt a helper

[wraith hound]

Oh

But she still had a green role

Interesting

[modern haven]

code jam i guess

[ruby fox]

Ha Ha, @modern haven you fell for the trap

[modern haven]

lmao

smh at people who call themselves "everyone" tho

[ruby fox]

there is a invisible character there

[modern haven]

what

invisible my ass

lmao

[drifting sage]

?

[tribal aurora]

u just pinged over 30,000+ people and you say sorry?

tho ig it didn't work

[wraith hound]

Over 200k

Not 30k

[tribal aurora]

whatever

[modern haven]

because i didnt ping that many, i pinged one person called "everyone" lol

[tribal aurora]

that's what I remember when I first tried to ping everyone it was about 30k

I don't think pinging "everyone" will work

yea

[modern haven]

you got a message from python lmao?

[gritty zinc]

Looks like my 15 turn prediction version works a lot worse

specifically, my 10-turn version beat the 15-turn version 6 times in a row, lol

[tribal aurora]

yea

[gritty zinc]

https://www.codingame.com/replay/567007796
Huh, the 8-turn model beat the 10-turn one

oh dear, is that a NaN? in my Rust? how dare it

oh lmao, I just realised the problem

in Legend, the thrust values allowed are from 0 to 200, not 100...

[honest star]

I think I was helpered... October 2020?

I was made Events lead like... mid November, and then Admin in January? There was a brief period of time when I was actually yellow.

[honest star]

We have the everyone ping disabled, but we still send a message to people who try saying essentially "yo bro, that's hella rude. Pls don't"

[frozen coral]

yellow is the best

I liked yellow

[honest star]

yellow is my least favorite color

[acoustic moss]

dang that is one quick ascent

so can i get the owner role some time tomorrow

thanks

[honest star]

I think Scale might have me beat? I know I have Chris beat by like 2 weeks

[frozen coral]

smh j9 speedrunning

[acoustic moss]

👍

[modern haven]

If you delete a ping then the notifications on many devices is still there (the infamous “ghost ping”) so how did you also remove that? Or does discord have a fancy system for larger servers?

[honest star]

You can set it so that people cannot ping everyone, if they try it just doesn't work

[frozen coral]

So we disable the ping and we delete the message

[modern haven]

Ah right

[honest star]

BUT, if we count time on server to admin Chris has us all solidly beat I think

[frozen coral]

lol

[modern haven]

And here I am still trying to get helper 🥲

[frozen coral]

!u

[royal lake]

Chrisjl#2655

User information

Created: 5 years, 6 months and 12 days ago
Profile: @frozen coral
ID: 126811506632294400

Member information

Joined: 10 months, 2 days and 4 hours ago
Roles: <@&542431903886606399>, <@&854107452243968040>, <@&585529568383860737>, <@&295488872404484098>, <@&825337057181696020>, <@&267630620367257601>, <@&587606783669829632>, <@&831776746206265384>, <@&267629731250176001>, <@&267628507062992896>

Infractions

Total: 31
Active: 0

[honest star]

Chris how long were you a helper before project lead?

[quick ledge]

2 days

or something

[frozen coral]

uhhh

[acoustic moss]

damn

[frozen coral]

was helper 27th Jan this year

project lead start of March

[honest star]

mmm, okay. Not bad

That brief period of time when we had two yellow Chris's

[frozen coral]

lol yea

[honest star]

!u

[royal lake]

kutiekatj9#9264

User information

Created: 4 years, 10 months and 19 days ago
Profile: @honest star
ID: 212644551926611969

Member information

Joined: 2 years, 7 months and 8 days ago
Roles: <@&542431903886606399>, <@&518565788744024082>, <@&764802720779337729>, <@&854107452243968040>, <@&585529568383860737>, <@&295488872404484098>, <@&825337057181696020>, <@&267630620367257601>, <@&799041111573266503>, <@&787816728474288181>, <@&778361735739998228>, <@&277914926603829249>, <@&831776746206265384>, <@&267629731250176001>, <@&807415650778742785>, <@&267628507062992896>

Infractions

Total: 42
Active: 1

[modern haven]

!u

[royal lake]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[acoustic moss]

F

[modern haven]

Damn

[honest star]

!u 218455068242870274

[royal lake]

Evorage | ᘡᘏᗢ (Evorage#0001)

User information

Created: 4 years, 10 months and 3 days ago
Profile: @modern haven
ID: 218455068242870274

Member information

Joined: 7 months, 18 days and 21 hours ago
Roles: <@&463658397560995840>, <@&764802720779337729>, <@&854107452243968040>, <@&585529568383860737>, <@&855822138590363678>

Infractions

Total: 1
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[frozen coral]

I was project lead for like 4 days before I was mod

[honest star]

lmao Zig couldn't wait

[frozen coral]

lol

[modern haven]

Ah you made your account 16 days before me @honest star lmao

[honest star]

technically Zig had you in mind for mod for a bit but I snuck in and swooped you up for project lead

[frozen coral]

gottem

[lofty dirge]

you been here for 2 years kat?

[honest star]

me in admins: hey I'm gonna make Chris project lead
waits 12 hours
me: no complaints yet! I'm gonna do it! (Completely aware Zig was likely sleeping the whole time)

[frozen coral]

You've been here for a few days right rabbit? 😛

[honest star]

mhm, only active and not lurking start of quarantine though

[lofty dirge]

Look you....

[frozen coral]

lmfao

[quick ledge]

oh wait

!U

[royal lake]

Vivek#2961

User information

Created: 2 years, 2 months and 27 days ago
Profile: @quick ledge
ID: 562601836591185930

Member information

Joined: 1 year, 1 day and 1 hour ago
Roles: <@&518565788744024082>, <@&463658397560995840>, <@&764802720779337729>, <@&854107452243968040>, <@&267630620367257601>, <@&831776746206265384>, <@&267629731250176001>

Infractions

Total: 24
Active: 0

[quick ledge]

1 year

[frozen coral]

🎉

[quick ledge]

[acoustic moss]

i think i just crossed 6 months or so

!u

[royal lake]

hsp Tod Tod (hahastinkypoop#8591)

User information

Created: 6 months, 17 days and 45 minutes ago
Profile: @acoustic moss
ID: 787351231332483102

Member information

Joined: 6 months, 13 days and 12 hours ago
Roles: <@&463658397560995840>, <@&764802720779337729>, <@&854107452243968040>, <@&855822138590363678>, <@&267630620367257601>

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[lofty dirge]

I'm sure @wide verge has actual date

[acoustic moss]

6 months and 17 days hmph

[honest star]

huh, so you made an account and within like... 3-4 days joined PyDis?

[acoustic moss]

yep

its like

[lofty dirge]

Is that me?

[honest star]

we can probs find it in user log

[frozen coral]

oh that's annoying

[acoustic moss]

python was the only thing on discovery that i found remotely relevant to me

[frozen coral]

We overwrite mitiricty on join

but yea user log would have it

[honest star]

well we lucked out it seems

[frozen coral]

lemme look

[lofty dirge]

there will be 3 entries

[frozen coral]

!sf 646517997841809481

[royal lake]

Snowflake

646517997841809481
Created at 2019-11-20 01:11:42.409000 (1 year, 7 months and 9 days ago).

[frozen coral]

This is your first join

[quick ledge]

fourth join when

[honest star]

Just needs the admin accidental ban for the trifecta

[frozen coral]

it's an admin ban next 🎉

[lofty dirge]

when I find another interesting twitter link to post

[frozen coral]

lol

[quick ledge]

ha

[honest star]

I think Chris patched the issue with that alert? Or was it Scrags?

[frozen coral]

nah it's not patched

we know the issue

[lofty dirge]

So what your telling me, is I got my own issue?

[frozen coral]

it's a special case for twitter mobile > normal links

[frozen coral]

lol probably

actually, let me look

[lofty dirge]

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/issues/1379 I got my own mention

[frozen coral]

lol

[honest star]

lmao, nice

[frozen coral]

!remind 1410h45M 1 year on the server 🎉

[royal lake]

Aye aye, cap'n!

Your reminder will arrive in 1 month, 28 days, 18 hours and 45 minutes!

ID: 2494, Due · Aug 27, 2021, 11:49 AM

[ruby fox]

@᠎everyone , did you know ducks can fly?

[honest star]

hmmmm... do I run another small batch of qualifier submissions to avoid actually doing work?

[modern haven]

why yes ofc

[frozen coral]

We do need more green people

not like we have 300 of them

[ruby fox]

wasnt the job automated?

[honest star]

The next thing on my work to do list is migrating my email and that's gonna be such a pain in the ass

[lofty dirge]

Migrate your email?

[honest star]

semi-automated, the testing itself is automated but we just have to periodically run the tester

[honest star]

;_; Work is migrating to the new [REDACTED] cross-collaboration platform. My email was supposed to migrate to 365 but apparently never did? So right now everyone has two emails, it defaults to one even if they haven't set it up yet and everything is chaos

[lofty dirge]

Redacted being one that sends me into rage?

[clear acorn]

!user

[royal lake]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[gritty zinc]

h-how many steps does it take to expand macros in my project?

[inland wolf]

lotta macros

[gritty zinc]

that's me trying out IntelliJ Idea instead of VSCode for Rust

first thoughts:
that's a bunch of good warnings vscode didn't give me:

but also:

this is just, like, wrong

it's complaining about sin and cos here:

impl<T, G> Rotate<T, G> for Vec2<T>
where
    T: Copy + Mul<G, Output = T> + Add<T, Output = T> + Sub<T, Output = T>,
    G: Copy + Angle,
{
    #[inline]
    fn rotate(self, angle: G) -> Self {
        let cos = angle.cos();
        let sin = angle.sin();
        Vec2 {
            x: self.x * cos - self.y * sin,
            y: self.y * cos + self.x * sin,
        }
    }
}

but they are of type G, which is Copy by the type bounds

I wonder what linter it uses that gives it such a wrong error, huh

[acoustic moss]

wrong error

an erroneous error is indeed ironic

[gritty zinc]

it correctly detects them as G when I hover

yet it just, what, didn't notice that G: Copy? wtf

[woeful cipher]

When is the next code jam batch?

[tender smelt]

@gritty zinc why not clion?

[gritty zinc]

hmm, I didn't know that exists

does that even have Rust?..

[tender smelt]

yeah

[gritty zinc]

anyway though, I got told on the Rust server that this is just how intellij's extension is

so presumably clion's is the same

[tender smelt]

clion's debugger is more awesome

[gritty zinc]

rust-analyzer does type checking right, the others have trouble.

[elfin holly]

Up for a chess game anyone?

[gritty zinc]

What is a good color combination for a dark mode of a ebook reader?

(I'm configuring my SumatraPDF, so far came up with this:)

[latent scaffold]

@crisp cradle

[tardy rain]

took 12s
What

Profile loading took 12s?

[uneven pine]

winfetch is pretty slow

[latent scaffold]

no, installing winfetch

[uneven pine]

but not THAt slow

[latent scaffold]

the took time is the previous command

[uneven pine]

https://streamable.com/cv1jlx

realtime why not

[latent scaffold]

yeah it slows down at packages

but it's the same for me on neofetch

[uneven pine]

I don't think my neofetch is that slow

imma test it on wsl and see

and then next time I'm actually booted into my opensuse

[latent scaffold]

Why on Earth does it say that my resolution is that

[uneven pine]

https://i.imgur.com/ZwvpvXc.png

[tardy rain]

Why does it even mention resolution, how is that helpful

[uneven pine]

probably because you're using the old, crappy powershell or somehing

[latent scaffold]

nope, PowerShell 7 Preview

[tardy rain]

Youre using ps5 it says

[uneven pine]

oh yeah, nevermind

mine says that too

[tardy rain]

Welp, winfetch bugged i guess

[crisp cradle]

ah nice, i didnt see the ping, wow that is very small drive usage lol

[uneven pine]

shows theright resolutions for me tho

[latent scaffold]

lol I put like 200 GB to openSUSE

[crisp cradle]

what terminal theme are you using btw

[latent scaffold]

half one dark or whatever

"half dark"?

[crisp cradle]

lmao i see

[latent scaffold]

one of the default ones

[crisp cradle]

nice i had to get oh my posh on windows to customise my terminal lol

[uneven pine]

I use pwsh on all my systems

windows mac and linux

[latent scaffold]

I don't think I'm a fan of "oh-my-shell" stuff

[uneven pine]

I just like my shell to look nice

[crisp cradle]

really?

[uneven pine]

I' a big fan of eye candy

[latent scaffold]

yeah, but you can do that without of the oh-my-shells

[crisp cradle]

exactly

[latent scaffold]

like... you'd be surprised how useless they are

[crisp cradle]

they make it easy to implement

[vapid nymph]

@bleak lintel how long have you had that new role!

[latent scaffold]

uh... no, not really

[vapid nymph]

You know exactly which role too

[latent scaffold]

for like zsh, all you have to do is clone repos

[bleak lintel]

which new role

[latent scaffold]

and add source lines to ~/.zshrc

[bleak lintel]

hurr durr devops?

[vapid nymph]

Hurr durr

[bleak lintel]

since chris or kat renamed it probably

lol

[vapid nymph]

Ffs I am out I can't read anything

[latent scaffold]

ARU's totally not stalking Joe

[crisp cradle]

ah ive heard of zsh, honestly i havent into terminal customisation much but i founf oh-my-posh easy enough to use

[latent scaffold]

zsh is a Linux shell

arguably the best tbh

[latent scaffold]

(and mac, actually)

[crisp cradle]

right so it wouldn't work on PowerShell windows then

[latent scaffold]

right

[crisp cradle]

so Unix?

[latent scaffold]

UNIX, yes

on PowerShell, all I did was install starship

[crisp cradle]

whats that

[latent scaffold]

prompt

https://starship.rs/

[crisp cradle]

wow that looks really nice and minimal

[latent scaffold]

Yep, I had no interest in using like... powerline I think it was called

on zsh I use p10k

[crisp cradle]

oh ive seen that one

[latent scaffold]

https://github.com/romkatv/powerlevel10k

[crisp cradle]

looks pretty handy

[lofty dirge]

Finally, they name a role right!

[rough sapphire]

rusk

[latent scaffold]

:(

Another one lost to the dark side

this has been on 88% for ages

[vapid nymph]

I haven't stalked Joe in 2 weeks gimme a break

[latent scaffold]

sorry but no

[rough sapphire]

you can get that for free though on google play

oh wait nevermind

that might just be the app

[crisp cradle]

i will be joining too very soon

cant wait to install my favourite android apks on my surface

[latent scaffold]

Okay, I'll be honest

Windows 11 is kinda ugly

[crisp cradle]

i dont really like the centered taskbar or rounded corners honestly

[latent scaffold]

lmao

well. I guess it's not too bad

[tender smelt]

wait, 7 seconds?

[latent scaffold]

yeah...

[crisp cradle]

how is the action center looking

[tender smelt]

what the

[latent scaffold]

I don't know what that is

[crisp cradle]

was it the first run

[crisp cradle]

the notification area

on the right

If you’ve enabled TPM support but you’re still not passing the Windows 11 upgrade checker, it’s likely because your CPU isn’t on the fully supported list.
@latent scaffold i think i found the cause

[latent scaffold]

it's always about 7 seconds for winfetch

this doesn't look too bad with the themes that come with it

[crisp cradle]

that looks nicer yeah

[latent scaffold]

it's a little slow tbh

like the settings

[crisp cradle]

with your specs?

[latent scaffold]

yeah lmao

ohhh this is quite neat, one second

[crisp cradle]

is it on a battery saving mode

[latent scaffold]

no

[tender smelt]

that's a yikes

[crisp cradle]

i see, and i just got rick rolled by your website lmao

[shrewd prawn]

lmao

[latent scaffold]

hehehe

[harsh tundra]

It said 744ms. That's 0.75s, not 7s

[latent scaffold]

look below the winfetch

[harsh tundra]

Oh

[rough sapphire]

You're using the preview?

[latent scaffold]

yeah

[harsh tundra]

I only registered the top text and then the stuff next to the logo. Not stuff below

[rough sapphire]

How bad is it

[harsh tundra]

But it's 2am for me, that my excuse XD

[latent scaffold]

not too bad tbh

[rough sapphire]

Well fair

[latent scaffold]

it's just Windows but it looks a small but nicer

[rough sapphire]

Imma wait till August so it's more stable

[latent scaffold]

lol

I hardly use Windows so idc if it breaks

[rough sapphire]

Lol

My dadll lose his shit If it does for me

[crisp cradle]

im in, queue ACCESS GRANTED flashing green text and scrolling lines in the background too fast to read

[latent scaffold]

wot

oh

yes

[crisp cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/hackerman-mr-gif-12747764

[latent scaffold]

absolutely

[crisp cradle]

the only way to convey computer related stuff in movies lol

have you seen Mr.Robot

[latent scaffold]

nope

[crisp cradle]

Its pretty good a lot of drama and realistic enough depictions of computer use

[calm dawn]

What are joe's rick roll rules?

[vapid nymph]

he's never counted any of the times I've tried to get @bleak lintel

[calm dawn]

?

[bleak lintel]

lol

my rules:

• audio must play
• you can't tell someone to navigate to the video and then call it a rick roll

[calm dawn]

fair

if it follows those rules it's game?

[rough sapphire]

I feel like there is some backstory to the second rule

[rough sapphire]

.uwu cheezy weezy

[median dome]

cheezy weezy

[clear acorn]

[versed saffron]

@scarlet wind so what’ve you been working on lately

[scarlet wind]

Just a few data analysis stuff and working on making good documentations

and also web dev

[versed saffron]

Oh sweet I really need to learn how to proper docs, I think my code’s decently written but I barely write docs/comments

What sort of analysis ?

[scarlet wind]

not like a project type stuff but I just find a data set and try to answer some questions that I come up with

[scarlet wind]

yea writing good documentation can be a pain

[versed saffron]

So like small EDAs?

[versed saffron]

Or writing it at all 😄

[scarlet wind]

yea basically

[frigid prism]

Might aswell post it here

[limber mantle]

Argh.

I can't decide.

I ve got my hands on project, which resolves a lot of problems

and has experience of 7 years dealing with my problem

I refactorized it to get essentially needed things for me.

But still thinking if I should have coded it from zero perhaps

because the project does not have a code quality I would like to have

it is too.... over bloated.

I was able to cut it to pieces I need.
But I still find it not efficient to navigate through it

and at the same time I worry that I deal with not necessary problem

and I should just continue the tasks

and not trying to make it perfect

hard choice between
a) Continuing refactorizing it, until it would reach perfect state
2) Stopping refactorizations and actually continuing to work
3) Ditching it and starting from zero

I am torn apart.

lets think reasonably.

the project already resolves 98% of my problems

will I be able coding the necessary addition later if needed? yes. I will be certainly able.

Will I be able to fix major flaws to be having this piece of code as good one? Well, surely the most major ones I can fix.

so, I think probably going with second choice

while sometimes doing first choice

[dire siren]

i think you CAN do them all at the same time

[limber mantle]

I certainly can't do continuing work on it and ditching it and starting from zero at the same time

those are completely... opposite choices

[dire siren]

:)

keep the original proj and start another one from zero

[dire siren]

is this the 2%?

[limber mantle]

yeah.

plus as much as the project is good... it is heavily in not finished state

hard to choose

if I should go simple

or make it more perfect and up to standards with a bit more complexity

because going with simple as it is already, will make me harder working on it

or not

[dire siren]

when you finish the a step you'll find out that your project is not perfect enough and stuck with this question again

[limber mantle]

I want to project being easily extendable.

easily testable

easily readable

easily development

and this project is currently written in a logic by other person

I am fighting between accepting the project stucture as it is, or making my own

[dire siren]

roll a die

[latent scaffold]

side note but can we have a petition for Joe to have a role named "Rick"

because then it'd be... the Rick role

[dire siren]

lmfao

[dire siren]

side note use your code jam qualifier and add a row named "Rick"

because then it'd be.. the Rick row

[dry flume]

Is a beard needed to become a programmer?

[edgy crest]

yeah

[sly forum]

@bleak lintel https://ter.ps/notarickroll

[inland wolf]

not me

[fallow warren]

Lmao

[bleak lintel]

the backstory is @vapid nymph failing

[acoustic moss]

can you just navigate to https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=never+gonna+give+you+up for me and click on the first link that shows up?

[wraith hound]

Yup, Google pay it is

[acoustic moss]

imagine getting ads

this post was made by adblock gang

[vapid nymph]

Wait so that means you've never Rickrolled me

[fallow warren]

not yet

[ancient dune]

01101000 01110100 01110100 01110000 01110011 00111010 00101111 00101111 01110111 01110111 01110111 00101110 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110100 01110101 01100010 01100101 00101110 01100011 01101111 01101101 00101111 01110111 01100001 01110100 01100011 01101000 00111111 01110110 00111101 01100100 01010001 01110111 00110100 01110111 00111001 01010111 01100111 01011000 01100011 01010001

[modern haven]

bruh

ive got so good i recognise the link lol

[rough sapphire]

Oh

[modern haven]

rick roll nearly has 1 billion views

together we can get there

the journey will be painful but rewarding

[bleak lintel]

Have I ever tried, lol

I definitely have got staff a few times

[vapid nymph]

you have tried yes

[honest star]

bully

[tranquil orchid]

A few

[bleak lintel]

git gud

cry about it

[tranquil orchid]

I've been crying for months about it 😢

[misty dew]

not yet, but https://pydis.com/.env has his instructions for it

[wraith hound]

ARU definitely knows that link

[vapid nymph]

i've seen that before

but

read the rules

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[misty dew]

I didn't tell you to

[vapid nymph]

audio must play
this is what i was responding to

[misty dew]

and the audio would play

[vapid nymph]

nope

i have autoplay blocked on my default browser

[misty dew]

unfortunate

[misty dew]

aha

we now know your name starts with an s

[acoustic moss]

doubt

[acoustic moss]

he might have his username as superman for all we know

[misty dew]

aru == 🦸

[wraith hound]

Haha

[vapid nymph]

ah fuck

@misty dew

gonna be removed apparently

that sucks

[inland wolf]

bruh

why

[vapid nymph]

idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[acoustic moss]

NOOOOOOO

[misty dew]

bro

did you actually fall for that

[acoustic moss]

what

no

i'm talking about the rmeoval

[misty dew]

it's not real

go to the video

[acoustic moss]

oh

no

...

[vapid nymph]

inspect element is great

[acoustic moss]

doesn't count as a rickroll if i'm so naive i believe the screenshot B)

[misty dew]

we only need 23 million more views

and then it's at 1 billion views

so close

[vapid nymph]

I got @bleak lintel with it earlier 😛
mentioned because its from dms, lemme know if you want it deleted

that's why rickrule 2 exists

[misty dew]

good job

[acoustic moss]

nice

[bleak lintel]

leak

[vapid nymph]

😛

i'll delete if you want it removed

won't do it again too

[vapid nymph]

want it deleted

[bleak lintel]

I have been leaked it's the end of the world shock horror

lol I say nothing sensitive in DMs for a reason

[acoustic moss]

then where do you say sensitive things

[shrewd prawn]

👀

[bleak lintel]

I phone Jake and discuss it over a game of 8-ball

[acoustic moss]

noted

[shrewd prawn]

lol

[edgy crest]

wait

did ot 1 and ot 2 move a lil

[shrewd prawn]

yeah i just saw that

[edgy crest]

or am i hallucinating

[shrewd prawn]

did they rename ot1 to ot2 for a split second?

[acoustic moss]

🤔

[edgy crest]

not rename

was prob some admin+ moving through channels and accidently drag

[inland wolf]

can relate

[shrewd prawn]

maybe

[shrewd prawn]

i made a cool tune with win32api.Beep https://paste.pythondiscord.com/itisefedit.yaml

the audio from it is kinda wonky

[toxic pulsar]

anyone wanna help me install posh

windows

[prisma agate]

posh-git?

[toxic pulsar]

oh my posh

[prisma agate]

winget install JanDeDobbeleer.OhMyPosh

can't get any simpler

[elfin holly]

Up for a round of chess anyone?

[prisma agate]

i havent played in ages, last game was like 5-6 years ago

I wasn't very good at it either

[elfin holly]

It's okay

[calm dawn]

Do most keyboards have a these characters on them? $, &, /, and \

Never used any other than the QWERTY standard.

[rugged echo]

LMFAO

[rugged echo]

yep, those are some common keys

backslash is a little bit more uncommon... but should still be on keyboards

[rough sapphire]

@rough sapphire https://www.amazon.de/-/en/i7-1165G7-Graphics-LPDDR4X-Fingerprint-SF313-53-78UG/dp/B08P5724PZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=core+i7+laptop+nvme&qid=1625097975&sr=8-13

this one looks alright!

8gb ram, 512gb nvme ssd, intel i7 11th gen (newest)

[vapid nymph]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08P5724PZ/

ftfy

tracker info

[rough sapphire]

zzz

unfortunately only 4 core 8 thread

but that's enough for lightweight use

actually giga scam from intel to have a 4 core 11th gen i7...

[rough sapphire]

how's thinkpad x1 carbon or xps 9500

[calm dawn]

thanks!

[wraith hound]

Eyyy, I got access to github copilot

I guess I can try it out sometime

[tranquil orchid]

It looks pretty interesting

I wonder how well it'll work

[wraith hound]

Same

[azure beacon]

Im frustrated that GitHub basically used everyones source code to teach this "AI". Breaking a bunch of licences while doing it. Primarily GPL.

If you use GPL source code in your project you must give out the source code for your version. But GitHub copilot is a commercial and closed source application.

Which must be one of the biggest cases of violating GPL there exists.

They have over 700,000 cases of the GPL licence text in their training data.

Which is just mad.

[tranquil orchid]

Hmmm, legally I think they're walking a pretty fine line, though it may not be strictly illegal.
Because they don't have have the source code in the product itself, it was more like... I guess utilised during development

Idk I'm no lawyer, guess we'll see how this plays out

[azure beacon]

They are using the source code of a GPL'd code. They made a new program using that code directly (here, for code completion).

And its closed source and for commercial use.

They try to hide it under the "AI" flag but it just repeats the words it has seen before on github.

https://docs.github.com/assets/images/help/copilot/resources_recitation_example_zen_caw.gif

This is pretty hilarious tho

[tranquil orchid]

If they publicly release their dataset, I feel like technically that would count as them not violating GPL. Because there's not really any other way they could credit the source code used to produce the product.

[azure beacon]

GPL needs your software to be GPL too.

[tranquil orchid]

true

[azure beacon]

Not just what you are using.

Like this is copyright abuse, licence abuse (most licences need attribution for use) and especially so with GPL

I am very interested to see what the future brings.

Likely a whole lot of nothing. GitHub is too powerful.

I use gitlab primarily. But been thinking of moving to sr.ht to try and avoid these gigantic corporations who dont have peoples or projects best interests in mind.

[vapid nymph]

how

[rugged echo]

Technical preview

[azure beacon]

Im frustrated that copilot is just getting away stealing a bunch of peoples intellectual property.

[vapid nymph]

i actually think that github's policies are against this

like

i'm not sure they granted a license to themselves to do it

because yes, gpl is a thing, however, by using github you grant github a license irrespective of the code license

[azure beacon]

that falls apart if someone mirrors a repo

If i run my code on gitlab. and someone mirrors it to github.

I did not give github away my copyright and licensing.

[vapid nymph]

lolol

[vapid nymph]

you don't

[azure beacon]

As there are a lot of software projects that do or have someone externel hosting a mirror of code to github.

[vapid nymph]

github "is given a the right to store, archive, parse, and display the content...….including improving the service over time"

https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-terms-of-service#d-user-generated-content

however.…

[azure beacon]

Yeah but i am on gitlab in this example.

[vapid nymph]

This license does not grant GitHub the right to sell Your Content. It also does not grant GitHub the right to otherwise distribute or use Your Content outside of our provision of the Service

[azure beacon]

And never allowed a licence from github to my content

But someone external has set up a mirror.

[vapid nymph]

You retain ownership of and responsibility for Your Content. If you're posting anything you did not create yourself or do not own the rights to, you agree that you are responsible for any Content you post; that you will only submit Content that you have the right to post; and that you will fully comply with any third party licenses relating to Content you post.

tl;dr the person mirroring it to github is the one at fault

[azure beacon]

Ah they protect their ass by blaming the end user

[vapid nymph]

discord does too :P

[azure beacon]

Nice

[vapid nymph]

pretty standard ass protection

[azure beacon]

I am very close to leaving discord at this point. But the alternatives are often just worse

[vapid nymph]

😔

[vapid nymph]

teamspeak 😄

[azure beacon]

Mostly do DM.

[vapid nymph]

irc

go back to cave

heh

tbh irc is actually still active surprisingly

[quick ledge]

how about IRL?

[vapid nymph]

no idea what that is

[karmic gust]

on a societal level, enforcing a choice between cave dweller and data bloodbag seems ungood

[vapid nymph]

partially wish i was kidding but its been so fucking long. Also its the end of june/ start of july so i'm starting to feel like shit again :D

[azure beacon]

• XMPP: Too complex to implement, so most clients are very broken due to that reason.
• Matrix: Synapse is a code mess and the design of the protocol itself is not good.
• Signal: Not really open source and requires phone numbers for everything :/
• Delta: Its all right, but most mail servers break when you try to use it.
• Wire: Sold out, owned by a holding company now.
• Telegram: Proprietary, no encryption.
• IRC: Too simplistic and does not support encryption. Fails with multiple clients.
• Tox: P2P, good! Breaks on most internet connections and mobile networks. :(
• Jami: P2P, same issue.
  ...

[vapid nymph]

signal.…
do you not have a phone number?

[azure beacon]

Tried most of them. None have a core fault with them.

[azure beacon]

I do. But i dont like giving it out as its linked to my ID.

[vapid nymph]

ah

[azure beacon]

So death threats are not as fun.

[vapid nymph]

…how is linked?

[azure beacon]

What do you mean?

[vapid nymph]

how is the number linked to your id?

[vapid nymph]

^

[azure beacon]

You need to use your digital id to verify and get a phone number here in denmark.

[vapid nymph]

ah

[azure beacon]

I can ask it to not be listed publicly, but its still inherently linked to me at that level.

[vapid nymph]

not in denmark lol

TIL

wait

digital ID?

[azure beacon]

Yeah. Most id is digital here.

[vapid nymph]

ah

[obtuse marten]

yo

[graceful basin]

@azure beacon have you looked at guilded

[azure beacon]

What's guilded?

[versed saffron]

is that the discord 'clone'?

[graceful basin]

Yes

It is more or less discord with more features

And they have funding

[azure beacon]

It's closed source

[versed saffron]

ya I've had a look at it, im waiting for the api but I think im gonna move my server over

[azure beacon]

So no better than discord

[versed saffron]

its a lot better

[azure beacon]

I am primarily looking for open source + federated/decentalized.

[graceful basin]

Ah

[azure beacon]

As another closed sourced messaging platform will just face the same problems as discord :/

[uneven pine]

Thing is, discord is so established

guilded is doomed

unless discord goes under, which is going to take at least another couple of years, they won't have a chance

Twitch Voice was 10x better than discord

they had screensharing and game sharing over a year before discord, they had loads of features that discord is missing, and they had way better accessibility/actual block features, etc

discord wasn't even nearly as big as it is now back then, and it wiped the floor with them.

[latent scaffold]

You mean something like Matrix?

[azure beacon]

Yeah.

It's just that matrix backend is a meme

[latent scaffold]

Matrix is the only one I know of 😵‍💫

Only worthwhile one, anyways

[azure beacon]

XMPP is miles better

But really lacks any clients to support the more modern standards

[uneven pine]

we can't have nice decentralized things without people ruining it.

or it just not being supported

[versed saffron]

well guilded has quite a few features that discord doesn't, idk if you've seen the dis subreddit but it's obvious people are getting fed up with a lot of features being stuck behind a paywall so who knows

[uneven pine]

I mean, ain't much hidden behind a paywall lol

they gotta make money somehow.

I hate shitcord, I really do. But it's a monopoly on communities at the moment.

[latent scaffold]

it's all cosmetic, which imo is fair

[azure beacon]

I'd rather have some feature premiums than ads

[graceful basin]

Urbit has a chat thing, the problem with urbit is the fact it is a cult

[uneven pine]

well, 4000 character messages, and larger files

and higher res screensharing

not really "Cosmetic"

[latent scaffold]

I'd still consider them cosmetic tbh

[uneven pine]

that's definitely mechanical

[versed saffron]

but whoo lets give everyone stickers!

[latent scaffold]

Namely because there are tons of services that you can use

[azure beacon]

Me and some friends use email as a chat app

It's pretty fun

[uneven pine]

There are! But none of them are integrated into the app, so it would defeat the purpose of discord to use them

"Hey I need to screenshare, let's hop out of discord into skype"

..ok

[graceful basin]

Email is about as good as it gets within your parameters, yeah

[uneven pine]

No one's gonna do that lol

[latent scaffold]

Right, I didn't read that part

[uneven pine]

the 4000 character messages aren't a big deal.

but still, they are mechanical

[graceful basin]

But let's not pretend that email isn't a mess

[azure beacon]

This is the app: https://delta.chat/en/

[uneven pine]

if you really need to type a novel, avoids splitting it up.

email is horrific, yeah

[latent scaffold]

Side note... but how hard is it to set up an email server

[azure beacon]

But it's decentalized and nothing has come to replace it

[latent scaffold]

I was thinking about setting one up with my domain

[graceful basin]

@latent scaffold it is quite difficult

[azure beacon]

Not really

[uneven pine]

It is an abyss of pain

[graceful basin]

Joe tried and just got gsuite

[azure beacon]

Just a lot of steps.

[uneven pine]

Last time I needed email, I gave up after a month of trying myself

[latent scaffold]

hmm

[uneven pine]

and paid for a professional service

it straight up ain't worth it

[graceful basin]

I think there are some tools to make it not terrible these days

[uneven pine]

to do it yourself, that is

[azure beacon]

I'd reccomend to learn linux admin first. Else it would be pretty miserable to attempt

[uneven pine]

well that's sort of a given for any sort of server work

[azure beacon]

True

[graceful basin]

You can't just put a manifest file Into a k8 cluster

And have it be email

[latent scaffold]

I don't really feel like paying for GSuite though

[graceful basin]

There is a lot of configuration involved

[azure beacon]

Do not underestimate my free time!

[latent scaffold]

also I'd like to think I know a fair bit of Linux administration

[uneven pine]

also the literal second you open an email server on a known IP address (Read, pretty much any IP address ever)

[latent scaffold]

not too much, though... I'd figure probably just the basics

[uneven pine]

you get FLOODED with spam

so you better have HELLA mitagation up

[graceful basin]

Yeah, by not using some existing provider, you give up antispam, support, etc

[uneven pine]

mine was running on a digitalocean VPS, within 1 hour of having the email server open I had received over 200,000 requests on my flood gate

[latent scaffold]

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/why-you-may-not-want-to-run-your-own-mail-server

😵‍💫

[uneven pine]

Speaking of Digitalocean...lool

[azure beacon]

Depends on if you are thinking of making it public or not

[uneven pine]

if the server is up, someone's gonna see it.

Whether or not it's "public"

[azure beacon]

Yeah. Database ips would get hammered

[latent scaffold]

ah yeah I use Azure now because of the GitHub Education credits

[graceful basin]

Yeah, it needs to be seen by all smtp servers in order to work

[uneven pine]

AHahahaha that reminds me of when Iwas running public minecraft servers

[azure beacon]

As in the domain gets out there and seen.

[uneven pine]

you pretty much HAD to have MySQL, no alternatives were supporteed

I kept getting DOS attacks on my SQL server, the solution ended up being creating a dummy user that would allow a login and serve dummy requests

it used up less CPU time than denying a login.

Because MySQL is a Good™️ piece of software

[azure beacon]

Why is the sql server public????

[uneven pine]

had to be accessed by an external service.

[azure beacon]

That's a major nono

[uneven pine]

Minecraft in the golden age was a wild west

The fact that the big/complex servers even ran to start with was nothing less than a miracle.

[latent scaffold]

I always wanted to be a sys admin for Minecraft

but now I hardly play

[azure beacon]

If you need external access you do it with a VPN. Databases are not supposed to be public facing

[latent scaffold]

It's against TOS

[uneven pine]

You didn't miss anything except stress lol

[azure beacon]

1. Not possible
2. Against TOS if you can break 1.

[uneven pine]

it's not like it'll ever work anyway, that's not how it works.

[latent scaffold]

Maybe, but just doing like the configuration stuff I found quite fun

[uneven pine]

Nitro codes are created by the server side, not a client side

there aren't just codes ready to use

that's why you can't steal the gift cards from walmart, they have to be activated by the register to actually work

[latent scaffold]

also y'know I feel kind ripped off when it comes to server hosts

they charge so much but then I find out i can just host myself on a cheap VPS

[uneven pine]

It's less than 1 in a billion chance you'll generate an active code anyway, and even even less likely you'd manage to activate it first

anyway

[uneven pine]

this was not true during the golden age of minecraft

It required so much CPU/RAM that you couldn't really run it on a traditional VPS

[azure beacon]

Don't use ones branded with minecraft

[uneven pine]

they'd just lag and be shitty

you really needed bare metal, or high performance VPS

which cost, at the time 2-3x more than a good minecraft host

mind you, this is not the same story today

[azure beacon]

Purpur optimizations go brrr

[uneven pine]

I was a co-owner of what was the largest, or at least second largest server in the world at the time

[latent scaffold]

Is purpur a server software

[uneven pine]

we had 120 slots when the biggest server you'd ever see was 30

[azure beacon]

Ye

[uneven pine]

it took a bare metal server with dual E5s, 64GB of RAM, and RAID SSDs

and we STILL had to constantly restart to fix OOMs

[azure beacon]

Mmmmm java

[uneven pine]

Beta minecraft, was a WILD time

[latent scaffold]

Unless it's changed, most servers still have to reboot constantly

[uneven pine]

it changed yes

it changed YEARS ago

[latent scaffold]

hm

[azure beacon]

The days of rebooting every day. Wierd times

[graceful basin]

I truly wonder how java survived that long while being as crappy as java was

[uneven pine]

every day? Hahahahahahaahahahaha

try every 6 hours at max

[azure beacon]

I am still not used to it and still daily restart my servers kek

[latent scaffold]

I know some servers who reboot every 12h

[azure beacon]

Big server in like early release days?

[uneven pine]

The 120 slot server was on a 5 hour schedule, if it went to 6 there was a chance it would be at 60+GB RAM usage and lock up if all 120 slots were full

it was making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ though

this was long before EULA had any restrictions on what you could make people pay for

we were, in essence, a mobile game

sadly, I never saw any of it, despite doing loads of the work myself

[azure beacon]

Kids with parents credit cards

I ran a no classes server. Free to donate to help costs. But no premium anything.

[uneven pine]

Dude running everything ended up being kinda crazy

started harassing people on the server and killed it

[azure beacon]

But I also host for fun so it's not a good strat for money

[uneven pine]

then blamed me for it dying and yeah

that was the end of it

still, despite there being very few, if any are left even, references to that old server

I know I was part of history

[azure beacon]

Knew the guy running the biggest norwegian server at the time. went nuts and he has a major superiority complex from it.

[uneven pine]

lol

I always sat close with my communities

I ran servers for YEARS

A few times my servers got pretty big, as a teenager it was basically my fulltime job to run em

Largest server I had after that one was a 64 slot, stayed full almost 24/7 for a couple of years

we only had like, 4 total staff but it ran pretty smoothly

[azure beacon]

I didn't like to extract money from kids. So my servers never turned big.

Mostly just me and a big group of friends playing

[uneven pine]

But I'd just be on, playing, all day pretty much

for some reason a lot of norwiegan players ended up on my servers, every time

I had at the time actually picked up a bit of the language from my fervent google translating and trying to explain to them they needed to type in english

sadly, I don't remember much if any

[clear acorn]

can I give full access of my github account to git-kraken

[uneven pine]

Kraken is fine as far as I'm aware

[latent scaffold]

GitKraken is quite neat

I like the boards feature

[wheat lynx]

bruh my laptop just upgraded to windows 11

didn't even ask me lol

wasn't expecting that

[inland wolf]

wtf

[acoustic moss]

what

[inland wolf]

damn

[quick ledge]

what

[inland wolf]

theyre so nice

they read ur mind!!

[shrewd prawn]

lol

[wheat lynx]

this being in the middle is going to take a while to get used to lol

[shrewd prawn]

waht its in the middle noo

[edgy crest]

pretty sure you can change that

[inland wolf]

ye

u can

i will proably change thta

but it does look good in the middle too

[shrewd prawn]

the new windows icons are also kinda wonk

[inland wolf]

tehy are good

[shrewd prawn]

not bad, but not used to lol

[latent scaffold]

lmao the first thing I did was un-center the taskbar

[wheat lynx]

i swear it's got thicker as well

[latent scaffold]

I think it did

[inland wolf]

it did

[latent scaffold]

I would just like to say... this took absolute ages to upload

[acoustic moss]

smooth

[shrewd prawn]

oh yeah thats definitely thicker

whats the two rectangles in a square thing, where one is white and the other is blue?

[wheat lynx]

widgets

[shrewd prawn]

are those new?

[inland wolf]

ye

[wheat lynx]

wtf why do I want this

[latent scaffold]

They might've been part of Windows 10 insiders

[wheat lynx]

is that all widgets is

[latent scaffold]

you can add others

[wheat lynx]

if I want news I go on a news website

[quick ledge]

MS wants 💰

[shrewd prawn]

lol

[acoustic moss]

i've been getting those for quite some time

on win 10

[latent scaffold]

winfetch has lost its mind

Look how many packages I have

[wheat lynx]

ok so apparently this is the one option I have for making the taskbar smaller, now it's tiny

[latent scaffold]

I like small task bars tbh

although tbh I'm trying to have them a bit bigger

because people were complaining my taskbars were too small

[edgy crest]

i see rust

[shrewd prawn]

damn thats a lot of pings

[latent scaffold]

I see AHK, Discord Linux, Discord Beta Testers (I think)

[shrewd prawn]

also pyglet and pygame!

[latent scaffold]

postgre

[shrewd prawn]

and two pydis

theres a pixel lgbt one

[latent scaffold]

okay okay I no stalk I swear

[acoustic moss]

seriously how do you ignore pings

i can't even leave a single ping

[edgy crest]

ikr

[inland wolf]

same

[wheat lynx]

I used to be like that lol

[inland wolf]

then u just gave up

[wheat lynx]

yep

[golden walrus]

you start ignoring them when you know they're not for you

[acoustic moss]

lol

[inland wolf]

lol

[shrewd prawn]

lol

[inland wolf]

damn

[acoustic moss]

damn

[shrewd prawn]

damn

[inland wolf]

a helper is partaking in spam!!!

[shrewd prawn]

smh

[acoustic moss]

wow you're the ones copying me

[latent scaffold]

wtf my cat just ran past me with a mouse in its mouth

[golden walrus]

gross

[inland wolf]

what mouse

[shrewd prawn]

lmao

[inland wolf]

is it busy getting clicking heads?

[latent scaffold]

like... 🐁

no

[inland wolf]

ok that mouse

[acoustic moss]

🐭 🖱️

[wheat lynx]

I do check the discord inbox thing to see if i've got any personal pings every now and again, to be fair. It's mainly just the moderators pings for which I don't look at all of them

[acoustic moss]

ignoring your moderator duties !!!

🔫

[shrewd prawn]

[edgy crest]

[wheat lynx]

lmao now I want to get nitro so I can use that

[edgy crest]

lol

well you can use it as a gif as hsp does

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585724572230483977.gif?v=1&size=40

[inland wolf]

how tf do u write gamma

[latent scaffold]

g a m m a

[edgy crest]

hulk

[acoustic moss]

y

[shrewd prawn]

γ

[clear acorn]

Lol u already have nitro

[latent scaffold]

no they don't D:

[inland wolf]

Υ vs Y

[shrewd prawn]

smh only i have the real gamma

[wheat lynx]

most people don't put spaces between each letter btw

[acoustic moss]

they are the same picture

[shrewd prawn]

γΓ

[wheat lynx]

I don't

[shrewd prawn]

lowercase, uppercase

[clear acorn]

Lol sorry I saw someone else's profile

[wheat lynx]

ah lol

[latent scaffold]

Well... I uh well. uh was demonstrating how to write each letter individually because if I were to say that out loud I wouldn't say "gamma"

[wheat lynx]

a h, o k

[latent scaffold]

crying

[shrewd prawn]

m m m, m a k e s s e n s e

[wheat lynx]

ok i'm trying out auto-collapsing taskbar to save on screen real estate, thoughts?