if i dont do it, it has errors
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
near bolt
acoustic moss
you could do for (int i = 0... in the loop and it'd work fine here
what is the function supposed to return
near bolt
you could do `for (int i = 0...` in the loop and it'd work fine here
yeah i used the for loop in line 6
verbal glen
just out of curiosity that's java right?
acoustic moss
ye
acoustic moss
you could do `for (int i = 0...` in the loop and it'd work fine here
yeah that's what I meant
verbal glen
why do Java and C# look the same
edgy crest
why do Java and C# look the same
C# is microsoft java
latent scaffold
I think C# was the successor to J#
acoustic moss
you could directly return i; inside the loop if (arr[i] == toSearch)
latent scaffold
and J# had to die because Sun didn't like that Microsoft did that
acoustic moss
instead of making the b variable
acoustic moss
and simply return null; outside the loop
because if the loop ends without returning it necessarily means that the thing wasn't found in the array
near bolt
because if the loop ends without returning it necessarily means that the thing w...
ohh i getit
public class search {
static Integer linearSearch(int arr[], int toSearch) {
int size = arr.length;
for (int i = 0; i < size; i = i+1) {
if (arr[i] == toSearch) {
return i;
}
}
return null;
}
like this
acoustic moss
ye exactly
misty tendon
As I said in #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval , I own a synthesizer and is trying to follow the footsteps of music to be like Jean Micheal Jarre, but sadly i lost interest right after buying it. I am looking for motivation atm:
last mantle
O
rough sapphire
!e
print(input("Write some trash"))
royal lakeBOT
@rough sapphire :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Write some trashTraceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
003 | EOFError: EOF when reading a line
!e
print("oh shi..")
@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
oh shi..
!e
print("Writing PHP code is the worst torture")
@rough sapphire :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
Writing PHP code is the worst torture
mellow spire
@topaz aurora Do you still use NixOS? Wanted to test something out
topaz aurora
<@!183968495636185088> Do you still use NixOS? Wanted to test something out
I don't have NixOS, just Nix
mellow spire
I don't have NixOS, just Nix
ah, wanted to test out flakes
misty tendon
@mellow spire You need someone with NixOS? I can install it
mellow spire
would be awesome 😄
rancid yacht
rough sapphire
.topic
median domeBOT
solid pollen
wat
plush oyster
.help
median domeBOT
Command Help
plush oyster
.invite
rough sapphire
.catify
median domeBOT
rough sapphire
Cat liker
covert hound
I use vim btw
inland wolf
i use windows btw
plucky robin
!e
print('')
royal lakeBOT
@plucky robin :warning: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
.catify
median domeBOT
Your catified nickname is: devcd | ᓇᘏᗢ
opaque bronze
.catify
median domeBOT
Your catified nickname is: 𝙲𝚊𝚙𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚁𝚎𝙻𝚄 | 🐈
brazen ingot
.catify
median domeBOT
Your catified nickname is: Bibliopole | ᓂᘏᗢ
crisp helm
.catify
median domeBOT
Your catified nickname is: waterfalls | ᓂᘏᗢ
thin swallow
.catify
median domeBOT
Your catified nickname is: Delta-V PINGME | ᕦᘏᗢ
median domeBOT
Your catified nickname is: Delta-V PINGME | ᕦᘏᗢ | ᕂᘏᗢ
brazen ingot
@solid pollen Nice name, it would take time to ping you from now on 
solid pollen
haha
brazen ingot
fastest response ever
solid pollen
Blame @misty dew
brazen ingot
how come?
misty dew
print("".join(__import__("random").choice("aaaaakrys") for _ in range(32)))
that's why
brazen ingot
oof esotericcc lattkkeeeecrszy
misty dew
oh that's a website I made
misty dew
no, heroku
brazen ingot
noice
How many members are even using that service?
Did you maked that UI?
Looks cool, nice photos
misty dew
How many members are even using that service?
I have ~600 signups rn, but not that many use it
misty dew
Did you maked that UI?
no, a friend made the mockup and I implemented everything
brazen ingot
no, a friend made the mockup and I implemented everything
your friend is 
misty dew
ikr
brazen ingot
and you too
misty dew
thanks
brazen ingot
brazen ingot
I have ~600 signups rn, but not that many use it
Wish you a good luck ahead!
misty dew
thank you! I'm in discussion with some people right now to try and get it out to the eduction market
brazen ingot
haha, sounds gg
@misty dew What's that purple button in the web bottom left corner?
misty dew
yep
I will put in more ads later tho
I just entered it in a competition and i want it to be as good as possible
brazen ingot
Yeah.
misty dew
so not a lot of ads rn
brazen ingot
Well, it will be great!
misty dew
I hope so 😄
solemn leaf
@crisp helm 
tf
rich moon
plucky grotto
solid pollen
Wow, that's a cool looking website @misty dew ! Did you made the vector art on the front page or they are stock images?
royal sundial
last mantle
Sad
spice flame
unless its for work thats a bad idea
misty dew
Wow, that's a cool looking website <@!670493561921208320> ! Did you made the vec...
it's from https://storyset.com/work
solid pollen
ooh thanks!
bleak lintel
lol
i mean
your call
otherwise just go to https://blog.discord.com/ and find the most recent post
vapid nymph
its a link from you, why would I click it 👀
@bleak lintel sorry I might be a bit Na because my Chem teacher Rick rolled me
harsh tundra
https://dis.gd/modbadge
wow, so many steps for this badge. so... congrats!
bleak lintel
ty nicky 🙂
vapid nymph
wow, so many steps for this badge. so... congrats!
he wrote some of the stuff for it lmao
rough sapphire
last mantle
https://dis.gd/modbadge
Can anyone take the test to get the badge?
eternal wing
Can anyone take the test to get the badge?
It is for moderators of communities in discord
acoustic moss
what if i'm a moderator at a server with 1 person (me) and 5 bots
hypothetically, of course
of course
inland wolf
lol
edgy crest
tfw i have rarely seen fisher moderate though
vapid nymph
Uh oh
twin charm
nvm
vapid nymph
What role was that
edgy crest
ah nevermind
twin charm
unpingable role
edgy crest
search from: fisher !ban theres a lot
twin charm
<&id> right?
vapid nymph
<&id> right?
<@&id>
twin charm
aa
vapid nymph
search `from: fisher !ban` theres a lot
Ye but @eternal wing never banned me so he can't be that good
twin charm
<@&787816728474288181> Yo whens the code jam?
vapid nymph
Ah yes, #python-events is apparently useless.
Oh I mean #pyweek-game-jam
But I do think the events category is wonky...
edgy crest
shouldnt python-events go in the events category
vapid nymph
But I do think the events category is wonky...
It moves up and down in the channel list, disappearing and reappearing when there are active events or not active events.
Sometimes there's events that it doesn't disappear during, and other times events are over for days but still higher in the channel list and the events category is still no where to be seen.
It's very interesting and doesn't seem to make much sense.
eternal wing
~~tfw i have rarely seen fisher moderate though~~
I'm just too easy on all of you :C
last mantle
Sadge
mellow spire
Vco, fisher and joe just as far as I know
inland wolf
yo edge stable has math solver now
@latent scaffold rejoice
for ur math equations will now be solved
latent scaffold
for ur math equations will now be solved
lol the Edge thing?
oh yes I just read a single message up
inland wolf
yes
latent scaffold
We've had that in dev for a while
solemn surge
@🥀veyren.#8833
inland wolf
yes
latent scaffold
lol tbh I could never find the math solver
I've probably gotta update actually
haven't done sudo zypper dup in a few days
last mantle
ok
mild abyss
haven't done `sudo zypper dup` in a few days
dup yaself
latent scaffold
wot
mild abyss
dupe yaself
last mantle
hi foxxy
mild abyss
hi guys
latent scaffold
I don't get it
last mantle
i learnt julia
mild abyss
nice
mild abyss
i learnt julia
join our server
last mantle
which
mild abyss
julia
last mantle
hoomans?
latent scaffold
no robots
mild abyss
last mantle
gn
wraith hound
You,,,,,,, can,,,,,,, never,,,,,, have,,,,,, too,,,,,,, many,,,,,, commas,,,,,,,
twin charm
ok,
brazen ingot
lol,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
twin charm
!e
print(",".join("can't have too many commas".split()))
@twin charm :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
can't,have,too,many,commas
!e
x = ","*random.randint(1,10)
print(x.join("can't have too many commas".split()))
Oof
I did that wrong
twin charm
!e
from random import randint
print(","*random.randint(1,10).join("can't have too many commas".split()))
@twin charm :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
003 | NameError: name 'random' is not defined
srslly?
wraith hound
!e
import random
x = ","*random.randint(1,10)
print(x.join("can't have too many commas".split()))
@wraith hound :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
can't,,,,,have,,,,,too,,,,,many,,,,,commas
!e
from random import randint
print(","*randint(1,10).join("can't have too many commas".split()))
@twin charm :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "<string>", line 2, in <module>
003 | AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'join'
lol
inland wolf
alright
brazen ingot
!e ```py
print(",,,,".join(import("random").choice("biblliiiople") for _ in range(16)))
ok
royal lakeBOT
@brazen ingot :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
l,,,,b,,,,l,,,,l,,,,i,,,,i,,,,i,,,,i,,,,b,,,,i,,,,b,,,,o,,,,i,,,,i,,,,i,,,,b
lol
twin charm
!e
from random import randint
print((","*randint(1,10)).join("can't have too many commas".split()))
@twin charm :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
can't,,,,,,have,,,,,,too,,,,,,many,,,,,,commas
!e ```py
print(",".join(import("random").choice("can't have too many commas") for _ in range(16)))
@brazen ingot :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
t,c,a,h,v,n,n,h,y, , ,a,o, , ,o
lol
latent scaffold
uh
latent scaffold
<@!785425328033103872> :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with retur...
am I high or what's the chance of there being 6 commas per
graceful basin
it will not roll the randint once per separator
latent scaffold
oh, I see
clear plume
rough sapphire
ok cookie
brazen ingot
who said cookie?
tardy rain
That person is a bot
twin charm
wait what
rough sapphire
That person is a bot
!
twin charm
who are you even referring to?
rough sapphire
?
twin charm
?help
tardy rain
Not gonna say names in case skynet is watching
twin charm
I'm gonna pretend that I got the joke.
tardy rain
Haha yes
rough sapphire
ok anti boomeru
twin charm
skynet is a sentient AI or some shit?
tardy rain
Skynet is the AI main villain from the terminator series
twin charm
oh alright.
rough sapphire
oh alright.
Don;t trust mario
twin charm
I knew that plumber seemed weird.
twin charm
ok I'll trust neither of you.
rough sapphire
Who's hive?
tardy rain
Idk their message history is weird
rough sapphire
oh I see
tardy rain
Looks like a markov chain bot
tardy rain
twin charm
interesting.
rough sapphire
Maybe we should build a markov model cog
no
twin charm
and that model will respond to messages?
rough sapphire
🔫 I got a gun
twin charm
latent scaffold
Itsa me mariosis
Mario, sis?
tardy rain
Its actually part of a phrase
We're making fun of a friend, we named two characters after a phrase
rough sapphire
We're making fun of a friend, we named two characters after a phrase
Meany
tardy rain
Marios is a manlet
Mariosis | amanlet
I got the first part lmao
edgy crest
😔
tardy rain
Theyre game characters, you wont find the other guy here
rough sapphire
I want to see people pronounce my online alias
tardy rain
Oo but seriously tho
Markov chain cog as soon as i figure out how to run the bot locally
hollow lance
Markov chain cog as soon as i figure out how to run the bot locally
there are multiple markov chain bots already
hollow lance
not sure if it's open source lemme check
twin charm
so what would Markov chain bots do?
twilit shore
markov chain, obviously
what if ur markov chain lead into another markov chain
which lead into another markov chain
markov ception
twin charm
yeah and what would that bot do?
twin charm
make Markov chains?
I think I understood the concept a bit. But why a discord bot and what would it do?
tardy rain
Eh, maybe we can do better
twin charm
I thought thats what GPT-3 does.
tardy rain
The result would be a command like
!markov @mariosis#4292
bot> generated text personalised to the user selected
gpt3 is much more advanced than a markov chain
twin charm
hmmmm.
twilit shore
gpt3 is like three markov chains \s
twin charm
The result would be a command like
```sh
!markov @mariosis#4292
bot> generated t...
thats fking genius.
twilit shore
simultaneously
hollow lance
gpt3 is like three markov chains \s
markov chains seem smart but its very tough to get them to make coherent text for more than a few words
gpt-3 can sound like a human for like paragraphs
o
ok
twilit shore
yup
tardy rain
!pypi markovify
royal lakeBOT
twilit shore
should’ve added /s earlier
tardy rain
The goal is just to have the bot say soemthing funny i guess, not output meaningful, coherent speech
Anyway, first step is figuring out the bot
twilit shore
darn
hollow lance
!pypi markovify
pomegranate is much more extensible and in my experience, faster for markov chains
rough sapphire
Yea you have the markov chain down to a pat
This is considered abuse
tardy rain
🥴
rough sapphire
Reported
tardy rain
Neat
inland wolf
bruh
twin charm
"I like your funny words magic man"
hardy tartan
has anyone here used rofi before?
rough sapphire
i have
tardy rain
tfw create-react-app comes with 82 moderate severity vulnerabilities
twilit shore
pomegranate is much more extensible and in my experience, faster for markov chai...
thought u were talking about me lol
pastel fractal
hi
strange musk
hmm...is there any channel where I can get experts to optimize a simple piece of code?
latent scaffold
My God. Took me ages to figure out you both weren't being homophobic
acoustic moss
lmfao
edgy crest
confusion
acoustic moss
got deleted🤔
carmine niche
what a jaba "programmer" means when they talk about getters and setters:
public class Car {
private String color;
public Car(String color) {
this.color = color;
}
public String getColor() {
System.out.println("color was accessed");
return this.color;
}
public void setColor(stirng val) {
System.out.println("color was assigned");
this.color = val;
}
}
Car myCar = new Car("red");
// assignment
myCar.setColor("purple");
// access
System.out.println(myCar.getColor());
what C# programmers mean when they talk about getters and setters:
public class Car
{
private string _color;
public string Color
{
get
{
Console.WriteLine("color was accessed");
return _color;
}
set
{
Console.WriteLine("color was assigned");
_color = value;
}
}
public Car(string color) {
_color = color;
}
}
var myCar = new Car("red");
// assignment
myCar.Color = "pink";
// access
Console.WriteLine(myCar.Color);
dark oak
damn Java sucks
tardy rain
That looks better in java than c#
carmine niche
it is just the epitome of "enterprise code" and ends up feeling very clumsy
dark oak
i only use it to mod minecraft
tardy rain
Maybe im just tired but how does Color and _color relate
carmine niche
That looks better in java than c#
just bc you don't like newline braces 😩
carmine niche
Maybe im just tired but how does Color and _color relate
_color is a private field, and Color is the public property which exposes _color
tardy rain
Ok i was confused by that Color = color line
tardy rain
Now everything makes sense in the world again
carmine niche
lol
carmine niche
That looks better in java than c#
the main reason that i find the C# code superior is:
A) the getter and setter are implicitly called upon access or assignment of the property, which reduces the boilerplate that .setField() and .getField() introduce
B) the getter and setter are syntactically tied down to the property whose functionality they implement, which is a major advantage over java where, at least in the code i've seen, the getters and setters typically have some considerable space between the fields upon which they act, which just makes it harder to parse and understand imo
last mantle
newline braces suck
carmine niche
newline braces suck
no u
carmine niche
last mantle
you have weird ass emojis
carmine niche
tardy rain
That reminds me, I should check out lombok
carmine niche
what's lombok
last mantle
better
tardy rain
Its a plugin to cut down on boilerplate iirc
dark oak
@carmine niche dude ur life depends on setters abd getters?
carmine niche
no
but i think you underestimate the difference that small quality-of-life differences in a programming language can make
last mantle
furry 4 life baybeee
never
last mantle
ok
carmine niche
last mantle
oh god
carmine niche
nyaaaaaaaaaaaa
last mantle
leave ferris alone
carmine niche
leave ferris alone
make me
ferris is a catgirl and there's nothing you can do about it
does javascript have pattern matching
last mantle
it has a switch
carmine niche
that is not pattern matching
carmine niche
switch semantics and match semantics are different
C# has a switch statement with match semantics which is a bit odd but it really doesn't affect anything that much
acoustic moss
alt insert moment
topaz aurora
does javascript have pattern matching
Natively? I don't think. But there was this pre-ECMA2015
https://github.com/natefaubion/sparkler
acoustic moss
ferris is a catgirl and there's nothing you can do about it
a crab catgirl
interesting, interesting
carmine niche
yes
class Car
{
public string Color { get; private set; } // auto-implementation get/set
public Car(string color)
{
Color = color;
}
}
var cars = new[] { new Car("red"), new Car("blue"), new Car("magenta") };
foreach (var car in cars)
{
switch (car)
{
case {Color: "blue"}:
Console.WriteLine("best color uwu");
break;
case {Color: var clr}:
Console.WriteLine($"blue is so much better than {clr} smh");
break;
}
}
topaz aurora
Stringly-typed colors 
carmine niche
u expect me to make a color enum..? 😩
i mean
i can if you want
ig
i'd rather not 😩
acoustic moss
lol
last mantle
what are enums for in py
carmine niche
what are enums for in py
they don't exist in py
acoustic moss
kinda do
last mantle
enum.Enum
carmine niche
😩
inland wolf
lol
last mantle
its a stdlib ig
inland wolf
wait u can destructure in switch cases?
carmine niche
>>> from enum import Enum
>>> class Color(Enum):
... RED = 1
... GREEN = 2
... BLUE = 3
...
```someone pass me the bleach pleasei'll take it too
last mantle
yeah i see no point
carmine niche
wait u can destructure in switch cases?
destructure might be a strong word but you can certainly match properties of an object in C#'s switch cases
carmine niche
destructure might be a strong word but you can certainly match properties of an ...
which comes in very hand when you wanna do something like....
switch (people)
{
case {Length: > 4}:
Console.WriteLine("Sorry, we can't seat that many people.");
break;
default:
Console.WriteLine("We'll seat you right away.");
break;
}
where people might be say, an array or a linked list of people objects..
acoustic moss
slightly unrelated but I hate how fall through is the default behaviour
when you don't break
last mantle
yeah so why would people use enums over dataclasses
carmine niche
slightly unrelated but I hate how fall through is the default behaviour
not in C#
:D
acoustic moss
tf is >D:
carmine niche
a typo
acoustic moss
ok
acoustic moss
yeah so why would people use enums over dataclasses
🤔
they don't serve the same purpose
last mantle
o
acoustic moss
enums are for when you want to specify different types of something
last mantle
i see
acoustic moss
dataclasses are just classes but with a lot less boilerplate
acoustic moss
which comes in very hand when you wanna do something like....
```cs
switch (peop...
then why use break; here \🤔
carmine niche
then why use break; here \🤔
it is required
you are allowed to give multiple cases the same behavior:
switch (val)
{
case 1:
case 2:
case 3:
Behavior();
break;
case 4:
case 5:
OtherBehavior();
break;
}
but you are not allowed to "fall through":
switch (val)
{
case 1:
SomeBehavior();
case 2:
MoreBehavior();
default:
EvenMoreBehavior();
break;
}
what gets executed for val = 1 in the second case codeblock
inland wolf
but it allows u to match two cases
here
carmine niche
by the second case do you mean the second codeblock?
acoustic moss
yes
inland wolf
o
inland wolf
maybe i should read
acoustic moss
O
carmine niche
you aren't allowed to fall through
inland wolf
yes
acoustic moss
hm
carmine niche
you can also pattern match by type
void PrintType(Shape s)
{
switch (s)
{
case Rectangle _:
Console.WriteLine("rectangle");
break;
case Square _:
Console.WriteLine("square");
break;
case Circle _:
Console.WriteLine("circle");
break;
case Triangle _:
Console.WriteLine("triangle");
break;
default:
Console.WriteLine("unknown shape");
break;
}
}
That's pretty neat. I kinda like Rakus system, where you can fall through, but you must explicitly state you wish to fall through, and break is the default
carmine niche
mm
you can also
do
this funky thing
which does not follow at all from the normal switch syntax
inland wolf
switch (4){ case >2: break; }
carmine niche
void PrintType(Shape s)
{
var shapeType = shape switch
{
Rectangle _ => "rectangle",
Square _ => "square",
Circle _ => "circle",
Triangle _ => "triangle",
_ => "unknown shape"
};
Console.WriteLine(shapeType);
}
yeah, that's exactly what I would like
inland wolf
ye the switch expression
graceful basin
Java has that too, with similar syntax
carmine niche
ah
acoustic moss
wait what
inland wolf
lol
graceful basin
No idea if it can match on types though
carmine niche
doubt it
last i checked java didn't have patma
but then again there's so much about java i don't know
i am 98% certain though that java cannot
void SeatParty(Person[] party)
{
switch (party)
{
case {Length: > 6}:
Console.WriteLine("We cannot currently seat that many people.");
break;
default:
Console.WriteLine("We'll be right with you.");
break;
}
}
:D
graceful basin
I think java 15 or beyond plans patna
acoustic moss
Java has that too, with similar syntax
class Test {
public static void main() {
int a = 5;
int c = a switch {
case 1 -> 2,
case 5 -> 3
};
}
}
is this valid?
graceful basin
Yup
acoustic moss
guess i'm on the wrong version then
carmine niche
oof
acoustic moss
i'm on 11.0.2 apparently
carmine niche
i am 98% certain though that java cannot
```cs
void SeatParty(Person[] party)
{
...
expanding on this, you can also
if (party is {Length: > 6})
{
// ...
}
that explains it
inland wolf
expanding on this, you can also
```cs
if (party is {Length: > 6})
{
// ...
}...
bruh
thats like an if let in rust
cool shit
carmine niche
expanding on this, you can also
```cs
if (party is {Length: > 6})
{
// ...
}...
this is slightly different than if (party.Length > 6) ...
iirc the latter will error if party is null
acoustic moss
70.5% of all raku mentions in this server have been from lakmatiol lol
carmine niche
whereas the former will simply evaluate to false
carmine niche
sad
inland wolf
lol
carmine niche
F#: You thought LINQ couldn't get any sexier, but it did.®
inland wolf
damn
clear shale
Dogecoin to the moon
acoustic moss
🍿
latent scaffold
I started learning F# then gave up
I swear the Microsoft docs were kind of confusing
there's like no really good resources to learn with
latent scaffold
lol
well they're kind of weird
I didn't wanna follow them because I felt like I was going in the wrong direction
latent scaffold
i was just using the reference
I might've been as well, idk. it was a Microsoft documentation page
inland wolf
yes
latent scaffold
Welp. It's that time again... I need a new project to work on
I need to pick something to learn and apply it
I'm thinking... poetry and something else
latent scaffold
me too wot
edgy crest
out of projects
latent scaffold
yuh lol
edgy crest
saem
latent scaffold
Pixels was fun but like... too territorial for me rn
edgy crest
yes
latent scaffold
I learned something handy with rich and logging, though
as well as some minimal image processing
latent scaffold
latent scaffold
I'm looking to learn sockets but it seems too complicated for me
It's actually fairly simple but there's a small learning curve
primal mauve
yeah
latent scaffold
I mean really it's just saying "hey connect to this IP with a TCP socket and send over some bytes... then listen for some bytes in return and process them"
although I imagine my wording isn't exactly... correct
edgy crest
it all just comes down to sending and receiving 
latent scaffold
pretty much
My first networking project was making an HTTP client
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
yes
latent scaffold
Asynchronous SSL
latent scaffold
lol
I've done it in Rust before
but it took a lot of tinkering
and working with crates with poor documentation
edgy crest
ee
neat aspen
before any object oriented languages were made what programming languages and paradigms were being used?
topaz aurora
before any object oriented languages were made what programming languages and pa...
Most were just procedural
lunar crescent
.topic
median domeBOT
inland wolf
i dont like the invite to server button when u right click a user
latent scaffold
i dont like the invite to server button when u right click a user
idk, inviting everyone to the openSUSE server is kinda pog
rough sapphire
idk, inviting everyone to the openSUSE server is kinda pog
You sure?
supple flicker
guys tips to become a blockchain dev?
rough sapphire
study
white anvil
primal totem
Is this channel about crypto currency dev or can I discuss crypto trading here?
lunar crescent
Is this channel about crypto currency dev or can I discuss crypto trading here?
no this is a off-topic channel, but you can discuss crypto trading/anything that doesn't break the rules in here or any of the off-topic channels that don't have a running conversation
inland wolf
well u can talk about anything here
lunar crescent
well u can talk about anything here
there are some execeptions
inland wolf
yes
primal totem
cool , thanks. you guys invest in crypto?
lunar crescent
cool , thanks. you guys invest in crypto?
no
primal totem
: (
harsh tundra
Is this channel about crypto currency dev or can I discuss crypto trading here?
Offtopic channels change names regularly, they are for general non-python discussion. Staff can add new names to offtopic name pool and its usually when someone says something funny, a nice play of words, etc
primal totem
ohh, thanks for the info mate.
median domeBOT
olive hazel
hmm
rough sapphire
Bean removal
olive hazel
just running
lunar crescent
sitting
olive hazel
.topic
median domeBOT
narrow pecan
Offtopic channels change names regularly, they are for general non-python discus...
Yep, and it might be worth noting it's only mods who can add ot-names (staff includes all helpers)
harsh tundra
Yep, and it might be worth noting it's only *mods* who can add ot-names (staff i...
I wasn't sure if it was mods or whole team, I just dropped "staff" as a general "we peasants cannot add them"
harsh tundra
*__~~"joe"~~__*
Lol
latent scaffold
im sorry to anyone who likes this
I accept your apology 😌
frozen marten
im sorry to anyone who likes this
rude 😌
inland wolf
I accept your apology 😌
thanks
latent scaffold
MOOO! kinda good in a weird way ngl
inland wolf
debatable
vapid portal
https://open.spotify.com/track/043dDJ9u0PQ3ooAXMgcwOe?si=205bd53fb1b74552
Imagine liking that :/
inland wolf
lol
last mantle
Imagine liking that :/
ikr
inland wolf
aha
vapid portal
reject amogus
inland wolf
no
harsh tundra
o7
Yes, it was there as full earlier and we had discussion in #846514617261621292 about it and the author decided they're gonna make another thing
harsh tundra
Pixel thing
I'm not in a mood. Our discussion then reached discussing how socialism is different from Soviet Union and how we have people in the served whose families were directly affected by Soviet Union
I hate it when socialists idealise Soviet Union. And I'm leftist and socialist myself...
vapid portal
I hate it when socialists idealise Soviet Union. And I'm leftist and socialist m...
No need to get political
Before some extreme right wing person joins this chat
harsh tundra
I didn't "get political". I mentioned my discomfort
You were the one who brought the flag up
I just summarised what was talked about earlier and that flag is now abandoned
vapid portal
Discomfort? I never said USSR was best socialist country or anything, do not want to get in fight with people
harsh tundra
You went with emote saluting the flag and then asked about "new pixel thing or motherland"
I said I'm tired of this as it was already discussed and summarised the earlier talk
vapid portal
intense scrolling trying to find that discussion
I don't find any discussion about it in #846514617261621292 .
vapid portal
People seem to not get angry when flags apear in pixel thing cause they know it is most likely a meme and not get mad over it.
harsh tundra
It was discussion about flags and some people started saying that no flag should be there
I said that from all things, only Soviet Union flag shouldn't be there as it's not really a representation of anyone like queer flags or country flags
vapid portal
Nobody finds a problem with Indian flag. It is just a flag, same with ussr
They who made it are probably just joking or something
harsh tundra
Dude, did you really just compare existing country to "meme"?
harsh tundra
They who made it are probably just joking or something
Why do you think so?
I know person who made it and they're Indian
Pakistani people were drawing Pakistani flag
vapid portal
Look at this. Do you think this person is serius
They where joking.
Same with whoever made USSR flag on the pixel thing.
harsh tundra
And I said I told them it's not a joke for me because my family was directly affected
harsh tundra
Same with whoever made USSR flag on the pixel thing.
That was the person who made it
tardy rain
Nazi flag is also a flag, why dont you try that one and see how it ends
harsh tundra
And I pointed you to a discussion and you took one thing from it. Bravo /s
vapid portal
Then they are joking.
vapid portal
Nazi flag is also a flag, why dont you try that one and see how it ends
lol
That will end up with server war
harsh tundra
The server rules are pretty clear
The author of the flag agreed that was insensitive of them
And you want to justify anything with "it's a joke/meme"
vapid portal
So, they said they did not mean to make it and offend you. They did not mean anything political when making it(I hope)
harsh tundra
No, they didn't say that
"I didn't mean to offend you" doesn't mean they didn't offend me or anyone else
And they didn't say that
Impact > intent
they understood why it was wrong and apologised. Its different from what you said
dark oak
i need a package from snap store on arch should i enable snap?? im not sure
why whould palastine flag be offencive ?
vapid portal
i need a package from snap store on arch should i enable snap?? im not sure
Finally something else. I wish I knew. I am quite a beginner on this programming language.
dark oak
what you talked is more offencive
dark oak
Finally something else. I wish I knew. I am quite a beginner on this programming...
also im not biginner
harsh tundra
Dude... I already said, existing country vs totalitarian regime, not existing anymore
You're sealioning at this point
dark oak
Finally something else. I wish I knew. I am quite a beginner on this programming...
i just want advice from arch experts
harsh tundra
You said someone made IN flag as a joke without knowing anything. Forgetting we are a diversive community
twilit shore
might wanna calm down
harsh tundra
i just want advice from arch experts
We're python-focused server, so we don't have many arch expects. Isn't there another package format you might use? Enabling snap for just one package seems a bit much but I mainly use Ubuntu, so idk
dark oak
We're python-focused server, so we don't have many arch expects. Isn't there ano...
nah there are alot
harsh tundra
A lot of formats or a lot of packages you want from there?
dark oak
nah there are alot arch experts
dark oak
A lot of formats or a lot of packages you want from there?
i need one package but i hate snap
harsh tundra
nah there are alot arch experts
I don't see Avery online and I only know about him XD well, afaik Joe used to love arch but I don't see him online as well
tardy rain
Dont draw any flag, problem solved
inland wolf
ikr
acoustic moss
there's too many flags at this point to turn around lol
eye estimate is ~15 at least
tardy rain
Instead of silly flags people should just say "hello world" in their native language
tardy rain
Or just "hello" or "goodmorning"
inland wolf
just make that ur country's flag
tardy rain
Aight get to it people
edgy crest
omg
inland wolf
fuck me
rough sapphire
epic
edgy crest
rough sapphire
no 7000000000000000000000000000000000
rough sapphire
hive is markov chain
Why this
twilit shore
hahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahaa
rough sapphire
tardy rain
Yes
honest star
@rough sapphire Please keep things in English on this server, thanks.
harsh tundra
Me saw un this Channel i can say russian
No, we said in pygen that there are offtopic channels but stuff still needs to be posted in English
rough sapphire
()_()
rugged echo
Instead of silly flags people should just say "hello world" in their native lang...
OH MY-
That is genius
last mantle
Vivek too
quick ledge
whoa
quick ledge
hello
mellow spire
@bleak linteley you got brew?
solid pollen
I wonder if you can manually insert a filename into the database and watch the world burn
vapid nymph
Lmao
solid pollen
I can give you a script that should be able to do that
graceful basin
if you create an invalid file using e.g. a linux system, windows will complain
vapid nymph
I'm currently on mobile so I can't do anything right now
solid pollen
https://gist.github.com/Akarys42/47085d16978947039279d75e1773725e you will have to modify parts of it though
vapid nymph
I wonder if you can manually insert a filename into the database and watch the w...
The biggest problem is actually getting that on there
solid pollen
shameless plug: it is from my upcoming talk
vapid nymph
Because if it's unclonable how can you commit it
🤔
Hah if it works then I'll probably have to report some resulting vulnerability on github
deep nexus
even in 64 bit windows?
graceful basin
yup
solid pollen
Okay, now it should work
graceful basin
copy CON file.txt is the equivalent of cat <<EOF > file.txt
solid pollen
Hmmmm Git may not like a file that contains a NUL byte, not sure
Maybe not actually
deep nexus
~ works fine as a folder name on linux while windows gives the biggest fuck you when you use a disapproved letter
vapid nymph
Lmao
graceful basin
~ is a shell feature, not a OS feature
vapid nymph
I'm not at pc rn so if someone can try to clone https://github.com/onerandomusername/con/ I would appreciate it 🥺
graceful basin
it's more a matter of linux having raw bytes as filenames
vapid nymph
It should error immediately
graceful basin
error: invalid path 'W|ind0"?.md'
fatal: unable to checkout working tree
warning: Clone succeeded, but checkout failed.
You can inspect what was checked out with 'git status'
Wait why
graceful basin
where windows uses UTF16 for filenames
graceful basin
I cloned into .
tribal aurora
Vestergurkan too
alien too
where is jack ?
I can't find him
@tranquil orchid oh here
tranquil orchid
me
rough sapphire
.topic
median domeBOT
rough sapphire
guys i have a crazy idea
perhaps joe doesn't have copious amounts of free time
but thats just a theory
mellow spire
lol
full needle
@shell raptor is that 1.25 for a box or just the domain?
i need to pick up a cheap box in the next few weeks
shell raptor
<@!461097636791844865> is that 1.25 for a box or just the domain?
$1.25/mo is the cheapest VPS tier
it's, like... total garbage
full needle
o
shell raptor
the domain is $6.12 per year
full needle
i dont want total garbage haha
shell raptor
well, let me find you the stats rq
full needle
ill find something on lowendbox maybe
shell raptor
@full needle huh, it seems that they don't offer it anymore. The cheapest is $2.43/mo with:
- 1 core
- 1 GB of RAM
- 30 GB of storage (SSD+HDD, not sure what that means. there's also a $2.5 offer with just a 20GB SSD)
full needle
o no
shell raptor
(not the control panel though)
full needle
no thanks, ill go with an english site 😛
shell raptor
full needle
😔
scarlet wind
||translate||
full needle
sure sure, but what happens if there are any issues. id rather deal with a team that speaks english
shell raptor
yeah, good point
full needle
ill check lowendbox in a week or so im sure i'll find something decently cheap
harsh tundra
I started reading about ovh's vps plans and domains and gave up, as always
too much info, my brain started overheating
full needle
lols
ovh is good, expensive tho. most people are just ovh resellers, they buy a bigger ovh plan split it up and sell it so its cheaper
harsh tundra
I want to find something in EU because I remembered I can put it as business expense and deduct VAT and stuff...
hm, or how does it work for "importing" services? I might actually not have to pay VAT at all then, I think... I should ask around
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/vat/index_en.htm "VAT on telecommunications, broadcasting and electronic services is charged in the country where you live (the country where you are established, have your permanent address or usually live), and not in the country from where you purchase the service. These rules apply to services puchased both within and from outside the EU."
so I think it doesn't change anything where I buy the vps?
grizzled shell
guys i want online talent show ideas
vapid nymph
@solid pollen
solid pollen
lol GG
inland wolf
<@!407110650217627658>
sad
rough sapphire
laughs in linux
grizzled shell
any good video ideas, i wanna edit a cool video for talent show\
rough sapphire
inland wolf
😱
latent scaffold
ugly linux
inland wolf
easter egg ⁉️
acoustic moss
prn 👀
rough sapphire
dude my fuckin phone makes a sound whenever I click any interface element
This is so annoying and I can't turn it off unless I mute it
graceful basin
the most radical place to look is in developer settings
graceful basin
inland wolf
that is so weird
rough sapphire
There is no such menu on my settings
The only way I get rid of it is by turning off notification sounds
graceful basin
odd
latent scaffold
What phone have you got
rough sapphire
But not everywhere I click my screen
latent scaffold
for me it's in my sound settings
latent scaffold
Vibration settings?
last mantle
wait wait
inland wolf
his phone is rooted btw
rough sapphire
They do yea
rough sapphire
It's not MIUI
latent scaffold
Not that I'd know the difference
last mantle
lol
latent scaffold
its not keyboard vibration
It's the same setting for me
rough sapphire
This specific line of phones has googles android one program
rough sapphire
it's still stock firmware
inland wolf
i see
obtuse widget
Guys
graceful basin
sound > advanced > touch vibration doesnt change it
obtuse widget
i got banned from coding den, bc i was talking badly about pride month
inland wolf
L
obtuse widget
how do i appeal?
last mantle
well you don't hehe
obtuse widget
hm
rough sapphire
Nope it does not turn it off
There's a touch feedback option but it doesn't change it
I would just put a random custom ROM here but
Most of them don't seem to want to work with mobile data
honest star
how do i appeal?
There's an appeal form you can use: #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval message
obtuse widget
tysm
brazen ingot
full needle
go steal their cookies bib
rough sapphire
Русские собираю пати на обмен знаниями или просто повеселиться в лс
frozen coral
Русские собираю пати на обмен знаниями или просто повеселиться в лс
!warn 547691114853826563 We have informally warned you about this in the past. As stated in our 4th rule (see #rules) this is an English only server, please try to speak English to the best of your ability.
royal lakeBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @rough sapphire.
harsh tundra
i got banned from coding den, bc i was talking badly about pride month
Wait until you learn about Pride stuff in pydis branding repo and pydis Pride emojis... XD btw, ty for reminding i wanted to ask for one pride flag here
rough sapphire
.topic
median domeBOT
gray sail
b
hollow lance
#846514617261621292 message @harsh tundra did you just compare a living being to a living being?
harsh tundra
Please read about the plant "pain"
We have no proof that the electrical signals are interpreted like in animals, that it's feeling or anything like that
hollow lance
just because we humans feel pain differently doesn't mean that plant pain is invalid
that's pretty speciesist of you
rough sapphire
Agreed
harsh tundra
Also, being bred to live a protected life and then die so the parts can be used != being held in a cage with not even a slight similarity to natural environment and die
hollow lance
idk, i think they're pretty similar when you consider that canaries were meant to be used just like plants are, to save human lives, canaries by preventing methane-exposure related deaths and plants by helping prevent starvation and mineral deficiencies
jagged fog
interesting convo 
hollow lance
interesting convo <:thinkW:356567093694693386>
yeah it started in #846514617261621292 with the naming of canary versions of software but we moved it because it fit an ot better
but really, overall, saying that using canaries to prevent human methane-related deaths is cruel implies an existence of morals and ethics, which can't really be scientifically proven
harsh tundra
"parts can be used" is false with canaries and true with plants, and "held in small cage in environment nothing like natural one" is true for canaries and false for veggies...
I live in the countryside. We eat meat. We eat our own chicken. But they run around and get every plant-based leftovers which they love to check out and eat. I wouldn't compare them to "factory" chicken stuck in large quantities in small space, would you? That's the difference, the treatment before the death
hollow lance
"parts can be used" is false with canaries and true with plants, and "held in sm...
- canaries' methane sensing parts, idk what they're called
- wtf is a greenhouse then
harsh tundra
but really, overall, saying that using canaries to prevent human methane-related...
That's kinda... Concerning.
hollow lance
anyway, this entire argument is based on different interpretations of morals and ethics and neither can be proven to be right or wrong
so this won't go anywhere so i'm going to do my history homework since i have the final in two days
harsh tundra
1. canaries' methane sensing parts, idk what they're called
2. wtf is a greenhou...
They didn't sense anything, they literally died. No part of canary was used. Giving the dead body to some dog isn't really using
gilded prawn
That's actually wrong, they didnt die unless someone royally fucked up and wasnt paying attention, by which poijt the miners were also fucked
rugged echo
Daily dose of deep ot conversations
gilded prawn
they would pass out, yes, and that can be considered cruel, yes, but as a general rule they didnt die
harsh tundra
1. canaries' methane sensing parts, idk what they're called
2. wtf is a greenhou...
But... Greenhouse is a natural environment. Greenhouse is literally a tent/building shielding from harsh outside, when inside is a perfect recreation of the natural plant environment
harsh tundra
they would pass out, yes, and that can be considered cruel, yes, but as a genera...
Source? I heard they just died
tardy rain
How does a topic like this start in #846514617261621292
gilded prawn
source is talking with friends who worked in an active coal mine and continue to work there now that it's a museum
jagged fog
How does a topic like this start in <#846514617261621292>
ikr, although tbh I'm not sure what the point of the argument is
rough sapphire
Plants feel pain
harsh tundra
Birds are really sensitive to smoke, gases, even some scents, so the dying quicker than miners would be "also fucked by that time" sounds plausible. Also who would save the bird when it passed out, they would probably just evacuate without it...
rugged echo
Debate gets serious when you hear them say "source?" Lmao
gilded prawn
Birds are really sensitive to smoke, gases, even some scents, so the dying quick...
no they took the canaries with them
harsh tundra
How does a topic like this start in <#846514617261621292>
Logos/software -> naming of beta program -> canary and why its named like that
harsh tundra
no they took the canaries with them
Sounds good, then
gilded prawn
considering how sentences evolve it's not too surprising a topic to end up on actually
and definitely one worthy of discussion, relatively few people actually know the history behind it
harsh tundra
I'm really sensitive about birds now because I'm lil birdie's foster parent, so it felt really bad ._.
rough sapphire
I'm really sensitive about birds now because I'm lil birdie's foster parent, so ...
But not about plants?
harsh tundra
But not about plants?
Please read what I wrote before
Science is actually reluctant about calling those signals in plants "pain". So the whole "they are the same and morals are not scientific so I win" was actually wrong on so many levels... You cannot take "science" for one argument and deny the same science for the other part
jagged fog
If I could I'd like to not harm any living thing, but the fact is just by living you need to consume other living things just to stay alive. And not just by consuming but just by living and trying to make your life more comfortable.
tardy rain
just be a chloroplast, problem solved