always happy
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
inland gate
quick ledge
cute โค๏ธ
runic mantle
google is making me v angi rn, for authenticating all the docs say pretty much is to use the libs they make
but like, I want to make my own lib asyncly with aiohttp and stuff, so that won't do
I can auth, but like that "access token" expires, and I am getting that token via GOOGLE_API_KEY = subprocess.run(['gcloud', 'auth', 'application-default', 'print-access-token'], stdout=subprocess.PIPE).stdout.decode().replace("\n", "")
so I have no clue how to either:
- Properly auth without messy stuff like that so expiring creds aren't an issue
or - Get new creds without having to recall that command because that sounds ehh
their docs seem like they may contain useful info somewhere but every page redirects me somewhere to tell me to use the "client libraries" which I don't want to because that is going to cause me to depend on them and I don't want to have to depend on google bullshittery other than actually calling the API
graceful basin
wouldn't this work? https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/oauth2
or does google cloud not support oauth2
or thishttps://cloud.google.com/identity-platform/docs/use-rest-api, you have a static token which you exchange for an access token and a refresh token
runic mantle
well, I'm trying to use a service account and also I don't reallly understand oauth2 lol
I have a .json with some stuff like a private key and some urls
graceful basin
yeah, google auth is pretty complex, since it uses pretty much the most complex, secure flows
so you have expiring tokens, refresh tokens, codes you exchange for tokens with state and all that nonsense
royal lakeBOT
Hey @runic mantle!
runic mantle
so you have expiring tokens, refresh tokens, codes you exchange for tokens with ...
yeah, currently I am playing with the idea of just catching that auth expired message and recalling the gcloud auth application-default print-access-token command to get a new token lol
rough sapphire
Hmm. JSON files aren't allowed?
runic mantle
honestly this is going way over my head because all I am trying to do is call the https://texttospeech.googleapis.com/v1/text:synthesize and maybe /voices sometimes but this auth stuff is killing me
last mantle
instead of using the module, make a request
graceful basin
yeah, currently I am playing with the idea of just catching that auth expired me...
you are unlikely to find a shortcut, you will just have to do this properly if you want it to work well.
runic mantle
instead of using the module, make a request
yes that's the entire idea of what I am trying to do but I don't know how to, where to send it to, what to send, and when to refresh
graceful basin
what worked for me when doing a similar thing with discord was just very slowly and carefully reading the docs multiple times
runic mantle
right then, it seems by my eyes drifting I found https://developers.google.com/identity/protocols/oauth2/service-account#jwt-auth which looks like what I want
graceful basin
that does look about right
runic mantle
because I'm making a premium feature for a TTS discord bot, which uses the official TTS endpoints instead of doing janky stuff with google translate
right then, after I have lunch I'm restarting into arch and playing around with this
can't wait to have to add another 3 libs to my requirements.txt lol
vapid nymph
what worked for me when doing a similar thing with discord was just very slowly ...
Ik a guy who wrote a library for the discord api
graceful basin
ye, its just passing requests around a lot
vapid nymph
ye, its just passing requests around a lot
but uh with autohotkey
graceful basin
I mean, if ahk can write to a socket, why not
latent plume
anyone ever used a pihole before?
runic mantle
static_headers = {"Content-Type": "application/json; charset=utf-8"}
@property
def headers(self):
# Handle lazy loading of Bearer token, allowing auth_token to easily be modified after instantiated.
headers = {}
headers.update(self.static_headers)
headers.update("Authorization": f"Bearer {self.auth_token}"})
return headers``` this feels good@property is a good tool
last mantle
i have forgotten those ๐
vapid nymph
```py
static_headers = {"Content-Type": "application/json; charset=utf-8"}
...
But how does property work to receive it and such
Like
How would that run when using .headers vs .headers = 'new thing'
runic mantle
basically: it means existing code can continue to do self.headers but now if auth_token changes the headers will change aswell
vapid nymph
Right but
How can it get and receive them
*what code runs for getting vs setting a property method
Or are you not able to set property methods
runic mantle
I don't think you can set property methods iirc
anyway, is it a good idea to make a new JWT per request?
honest star
@scenic blaze migrating here since it's a bit less on topic for that channel. What I saw was just advice like "getting a master's is always objectively good because it means you're a master in the subject. It's in the name"
scenic blaze
Haha
honest star
or "yeah, just apply to jobs indiscriminately and always negotiate" when it was like... about a very specific job market that has different requirements and expectations
and one person was misinformed that people could volunteer for a for-profit job. That got out of hand quickly because people were just dogpiling
scenic blaze
Okay, that makes sense how intervention would be needed.
How are you liking being an admin, btw? I've been pretty busy, but from what snippets I've seen in announcements it seems like you've really taken to it.
honest star
haha, I'm enjoying it
I look more busy than I actually am because what I deal with is very public facing
scenic blaze
That makes sense. Glad you're enjoying it! I wish I could take a more active role in non-career things, but it's just not happening for the time being. Working on some major projects that I'm staking my name/career on.
honest star
ooooh nice. You still working for that med company?
scenic blaze
Yup! My project is super exciting, I wish I could share about it.
mental bison
jolly tinsel
MODERATOR LUL
rugged echo
https://youtu.be/cfWMITIZiCU
lol, i never played or watched playthroughs of tlou bc i find the plot too simple and dragged out
sterile sapphire
lol, i never played or watched playthroughs of tlou bc i find the plot too simpl...
the plot was simple in tlou yeah
but it's simple for a reason
and simple stories work really well
rugged echo
and that is?
sterile sapphire
bc they work well
rugged echo
true, the graphics and mechanics more than compensate for any lack of depth in plot
sterile sapphire
you don't need a super complicated story for a game
TLOU 2 has some strange issues with the story
rugged echo
oop- "C A T A S T R O P H E"
sterile sapphire
these are convention for telling a story
the last of us 2 completely kills the rising action by shifting to Abby's perspective
kills any sense of momentum
rugged echo
"Gravity" (2013) be like:
sterile sapphire
yes I understand they were trying to do something different
but as the saying goes
you don't need to reinvent the wheel
rugged echo
lol true
rugged echo
lol predictable plots
sterile sapphire
it would make more sense to kill him somewhere near the climax
rugged echo
yeah, randomly killing off characters at the start before the audience even gets a chance to bond with them is not a good idea
sterile sapphire
yeah, randomly killing off characters at the start before the audience even gets...
well the audience bonds with Joel in the first game
rugged echo
ah, like rise all the way up, boring, then climax
rugged echo
well the audience bonds with Joel in the first game
oh yeah, forgot about that ๐
low chasm
Hi :D
sterile sapphire
Neil alienated a huge part of the fanbase
like people really wanted to see Joel and Ellie banter and stuff
rugged echo
cool
sterile sapphire
and their relationship
sterile sapphire
but he decided you know what
what will bring me the most shock value in a game
oh yes that's right let's kill Joel near the beginning of the game
sterile sapphire
is it?
the plot is structured terribly
don't get me started on the supporting characters
sterile sapphire
there's not even a hint that Joel lost his survivor skills
he really just walks himself straight into the center of the room
with people armed
rugged echo
although some movies/games use a "prologue" to get you all hyped up then a long time of BORINGNESS
rugged echo
oop-
sterile sapphire
and "y'all are acting like you know me"
I'm sorry
no one can justify that to me
you're telling me he murdered the entire hospital that was going to help sacrifice Ellie for the cure
and he just goes out and gives his full name?
plus the countless other people he's murdered
I find it very hard to believe
that would be like Batman just deciding to plunge himself into a fight he can't win with no planning
rugged echo
my mate's just going on a rant while i have no idea who are these characters lol
sterile sapphire
no fan would accept that
olive vault
harsh tundra
that's why we already have python3 ๐
past charm
from datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime import datetime.datetime
runic mantle
mood
rough sapphire
the examples for hashlib are funny https://docs.python.org/3/library/hashlib.html
runic mantle
My dad loves the monty python references whenever I show him python docs lol
fresh basalt
That's cool you can connect with your dad like that.
latent scaffold
hahah imagine having a dad
cunning dove
... a day at the beach ... is better ...
vapid nymph
`from datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.datetime.da...
Srsly tho why is it datetime.datetime
I'm making a discord bot base module that is bot.bot.bot.bot
fresh basalt
Recently I found the dateparser module. Is that popular?
past charm
Srsly tho why is it datetime.datetime
yeah why didn't they just put the functions in the folder
vapid nymph
!d datetime
royal lakeBOT
vapid nymph
yeah why didn't they just put the functions in the folder
because its datetimes, timezones, and timedelta
rough sapphire
Recently I found the dateparser module. Is that popular?
it's really nice
!pypi dateparser
royal lakeBOT
heavy halo
can i ask what distribution of linux should i use ?
latent scaffold
can i ask what distribution of linux should i use ?
Definitely not Mint or Manjaro
tranquil orchid
Alright first things first
The term you're looking for is distro/distribution, not version
tranquil orchid
And next, it's a pretty subjective thing
tranquil orchid
Some of it yeah, but for example, I love manjaro
latent scaffold
I used to love it, too
tranquil orchid
And I've seen plenty of people loving mint
latent scaffold
and everyone does until it breaks
Mint has had some pretty bad things happen, too
iirc there was a FrakenDebian because of it
heavy halo
what is like the most used distributions ?, and which one mostly has the windows programs ?
latent scaffold
but beginners should not be using Arch
heavy halo
i want to use elementryOS, it looks like mac
latent scaffold
what is like the most used distributions ?, and which one mostly has the windows...
Linux doesn't have "Windows programs" but Ubuntu and its flavors are the most supported on cross-platform distros
I've also heard ElementaryOS is notoriously bad
tranquil orchid
Yeah I haven't heard great things about elementryOS
heavy halo
but damn it really looks cool
latent scaffold
You can make any distro with GNOME look like that
heavy halo
https://rentry.co/manjaro-controversies
what is this ?
latent scaffold
List of controversies of Manjaro
I'll make a quick list of solid distros I'd (and much of the Linux community would) recommend
Ubuntu
Xubuntu
Kubuntu (or KDE Neon)
Lubuntu (for low-end computers)
Ubuntu MATE (Alternative if you wanted Mint)
OpenSUSE Leap
Fedora
Mageia
Arch
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
can i have both windows and linux on a same hard disk ?
latent scaffold
Yes, that's called dual booting
I'd recommend the distros towards the top
If you're into gaming, most games are tested on Ubuntu, and will probably work the same on any of the flavors
heavy halo
look on my family pc we have: 3 windows on different partitions, and i want to install linux on my partition, how can i do that
latent scaffold
Same as you would Windows
Window's arguably more difficult to install than Ubuntu
It's easier than you think
vapid nymph
Alright first things first
some people don't agree linux is a proper OS 
heavy halo
no like when you have more than one windows there will be a booting screen that says "choose your windows volume", so, how can i run my linux
rich moon
u use grub to pick which os to load
latent scaffold
no like when you have more than one windows there will be a booting screen that ...
GRUB will do that for you
rich moon
and when u install ur os there is an option to add grub too
heavy halo
there's also your computer's boot menu
yeah but what should i change there ?, there is a, 4S-... , and when that is in the top the windows will be load
latent scaffold
and when u install ur os there is an option to add grub too
I don't think GRUB is optional, though
latent scaffold
yeah but what should i change there ?, there is a, 4S-... , and when that is in ...
I don't know what you're asking
rich moon
its optional if u pick the manual partition
latent scaffold
You're confusing boot order for boot menu, I think
heavy halo
you said i have to change my booting right ?, but what should i change there
rich moon
like the installer doesnt care if u even allocated enough space for grub
latent scaffold
I never said you had to change anything
rich moon
well u do have to disable secure boot
heavy halo
I never said you had to change anything
oh i felt you said because of this
heavy halo
there's also your computer's boot menu
.
rich moon
bc otherwise grub is blocked from running
latent scaffold
You're confusing boot order for boot menu
boot menu allows you to pick which partition to boot into
boot order defines the default order in which things will boot
If you want to boot into GRUB first, you'll want to move the Linux partition to the top
Anyways, as long as you pick one of the distros I listed above, you'll mostly be fine
but as a beginner, stay away from Arch/OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
heavy halo
but i want to install linux on my windows hard drive, so how what order should set, when they are on the same hard drive
rich moon
partition the drive
usually os installers allow u to partition ur drive or u can do it with a tool
latent scaffold
but i want to install linux on my windows hard drive, so how what order should s...
Don't change the order of the partitions
that's different from what I said
heavy halo
partition the drive
my pc is a family pc, and there is 3 partitions that windows are installed on that partitions
latent scaffold
Boot order != Partition order
If you move the partitions around, you might accidentally wipe your entire drive
rich moon
well before u partition make sure there is space to partition
also since other ppl r using the computer make sure u dont delete their stuff
heavy halo
well before u partition make sure there is space to partition
no i have space on my windows C drive
heavy halo
also since other ppl r using the computer make sure u dont delete their stuff
lol but no
latent scaffold
Honestly, I don't think I'd advise installing linux to that machine if you don't know what you're doing
latent scaffold
If you go around moving partitions, you might wipe your system
rich moon
before u decide to dual boot
heavy halo
i think i kidna get it, i think because i don't know a lot English im having problem understanding
latent scaffold
Maybe, but I still don't know if I'd advise it
If you think you know what you're doing, go for it
Again, it's about the same if you'd installed Windows
Just make sure you pick a good distro from the ones in that list
all of those are solid
Arch/OpenSUSE Tumbleweed aren't beginner-friendly, but they're better than Manjaro/Endeavor/Garuda
latent scaffold
That's irrelevant depending on your scope
heavy halo
and which one is like the most balanced one like, can run codes has apps and games
latent scaffold
Ubuntu is the most tested and supported
heavy halo
ok
latent scaffold
and its flavors
but even myself who uses Arch doesn't have much problems
but then again, I only play Minecraft from time to time
latent scaffold
how can i download kde ?
KDE is not a distribution, what're you trying to do
if you want Ubuntu with KDE, get Kubuntu
Kubuntu = KDE + Ubuntu
heavy halo
i just searched Kubantu and found this pictures
latent scaffold
Ubuntu = Ubuntu + GNOME
Kubuntu = Ubuntu + KDE Plasma
Xubuntu = Ubuntu + XFCE
Lubuntu = Ubuntu + LXQt
and its says that this is KDE Plasama
latent scaffold
KDE is a desktop environment, you don't really "download" it
If you wan KDE, either go for Kubuntu or KDE Plasma
idk about the KDE spins on the other distros, but you probably want Kubuntu or KDE Neon
last mantle
KDE is pretty awesome on all distros I have used
latent scaffold
I've been using Arch with KDE, it's pretty neat
I used KDE Neon for a bit, but broke because of nvidia drivers
heavy halo
I used KDE Neon for a bit, but broke because of nvidia drivers
one question it may sound weird but
i can change the wallpaper in ubantu right ?
heavy halo
i asked that because im comparing the ditros and i only see the same ubantu purple to yellow wallpaper and that was weird for me
๐คฃ
latent scaffold
I mean if you look up "Kubuntu" ofc you're gonna find Ubuntu wallpapers lol
like if you search "Windows 10", you're gonna find Windows wallpapers
latent scaffold
You're spelling it wrong btw
latent scaffold
yes but typing doesn't have much to do with it lol
it's just spelling, it's Ubuntu but you keep saying Ubantu
that might sound rude but.. thought I'd point it out
heavy halo
oh its Ubuntu ?
latent scaffold
Yes, it's Ubuntu
heavy halo
i thought it was Ubantu ? it was kidna making sense reading it for me in my own language,
heavy halo
that might sound rude but.. thought I'd point it out
no it ok ๐คฃ
latent scaffold
It's Ubuntu lol
heavy halo
It's Ubuntu lol
is it wrong if i shrink my C drive for installing linux ?
latent scaffold
No, just be careful
heavy halo
i feel like that's a dumb question ๐คฃ
latent scaffold
you shrink too much and all of your data goes poof
heavy halo
you shrink too much and all of your data goes poof
"and that's called magic" ๐คฃ
latent scaffold
that's called a mistake I almost did once
heavy halo
lol
latent scaffold
no
Ubuntu itself is the OS
Ubuntu = Ubuntu + GNOME wouldn't make sense in that regard
you'd end up with some form of recursion lol
latent scaffold
um. no clue
love KDE
I also heard GNOME 40 has had some negative reception so far
heavy halo
@latent scaffold do you know garuda ?
latent scaffold
Arch/OpenSUSE Tumbleweed aren't beginner-friendly, but they're better than Manja...
yes, I do
latent scaffold
no
stop right there
The only sane distributions are
Ubuntu
Kubuntu
Xubuntu
Lubuntu
KDE Neon
OpenSUSE Leap
Mageia
NixOS
Void
Fedora
RHEL
Arch
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
Debian
Ubuntu MATE
Ubuntu Budgie
Gentoo
Alpine Linux
Anything else is honestly not worth using
No mint, no manjaro/endeavor/garuda, no elementary, no pop
also definitely not Kali/Parrot
heavy halo
Can i know why ?
latent scaffold
Did I not sent you the Manjaro controversies link?
rough sapphire
manjaro's p nice
latent scaffold
People who can't go through the trouble of Arch, shouldn't be using Arch
The installation is trivial compared to the problems one might face
Especially Manjaro, it's notorious for breaking constantly
heavy halo
So garuda is based on arch ?
latent scaffold
Yes, it is
To quote that website
The issues in this gist is common with any Arch derivative, but especially bad with Manjaro. Please consider using pure Arch Linux, or use another distro not based on Arch Linux.
I don't think you realize the nature of Linux distributions
Looks are independent of distribution
You can make any distribution look however you want
it's not the distro that dictates how things look
For example, you can make Ubuntu look almost exactly like Manjaro
Well, depending on the DE
DE = Desktop Environment. GNOME, XFCE, KDE Plasma are all DEs
KDE on Arch will look about the same as KDE on Ubuntu
You can make any distro look like how Garuda does
Sorry for the text wall there lol
latent scaffold
basically don't go based off of looks
I won't deny distros like Manjaro look nice
but that shouldn't be a deciding factor
Beginners don't know that any distro can look the exact same
last mantle
<@235904856106336257> do you know garuda ?
i use garuda and its good
and in my experience, garuda has not broken once
but manjaro did like twice
latent scaffold
I wouldn't suggest it, though
fresh basalt
a cool thing about Linux is figuring out how to fix stuff when it breaks.
latent scaffold
a cool thing about Linux is figuring out how to fix stuff when it breaks.
Then again, we're talking about Arch to a beginner
fresh basalt
ubuntu is probably better for a beginner
latent scaffold
Exactly
fresh basalt
but I guess it depends on how savvy the beginner in question is
arch can be ok for a beginner. I started with Slackware.
latent scaffold
I mean regardless of how savvy
Arch's definitely not okay for a beginner D:
I can only speak from what I've seen from beginners, Arch as a first distro hardly ever pans out well
Starting with Ubuntu is a great choice for anyone... or even like Fedora/OpenSUSE Leap
last mantle
or garuda :)
latent scaffold
no
last mantle
yes
latent scaffold
You can't seriously tell me that the archiso installation is that hard
last mantle
huh?
latent scaffold
that you have to install a sketchy derivative for potentially worse results
fresh basalt
I think trying different distributions with different init styles could be interesting for someone.
latent scaffold
I don't get the point of Arch derivatives
fresh basalt
I think Ubuntu and Fedora are both using systemd now right?
latent scaffold
They market for beginners, and complain that if someone breaks their distro it's not their fault
Manjaro's notorious for that, too
If something breaks because you updated something, it's your fault
not because they don't test packages properly
plus, Arch is a rolling distro. It's not exactly stable
latent scaffold
I think Ubuntu and Fedora are both using systemd now right?
Pretty much every sane distro is
rEFInd isn't used much
fresh basalt
That's a highly subjective take. I don't like systemd myself.
latent scaffold
No, I'm not saying rEFInd isn't sane
I'm saying that the sane distros use systemd
but that's not what makes them sane
fresh basalt
ah
latent scaffold
I don't personally have a problem with systemd, but maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough
heavy halo
the ditros that i relly like now, but my mind is blowing about this arch thing, and i f-ing don't know what to do, as well as you said "you can change the looking" but i can't change how they work
the ditros i like right now are:
#1. Deepin ( it really looks like mac )
#2. Garuda ( it's cool )
#3. Ubuntu
#4. Zorin OS ( don't know why )
latent scaffold
the ditros that i relly like now, but my mind is blowing about this arch thing, ...
What do you mean "can't change how they work"
heavy halo
What do you mean "can't change how they work"
it's hard to say from, what i saw and i have not using them, and i don't know if they will be changeable, let's just leave that sentence there
latent scaffold
You're too new to know what can be easily changed
which is why I hate the propaganda pushed by "beginner" distros
Honestly, just pick Kubuntu and start somewhere
It's not that big of a decision as you're making it seem
if you want something that looks like mac, go with Ubuntu or Fedora
heavy halo
ummm
latent scaffold
keeping in mind that everything can eventually be changed
latent scaffold
Man, do yourself a favor and pick a distribution from the list
I promise you'll be much better off in the long run
I can't tell what you're looking for, but your searching for alternatives is needless... You just don't see it yet
You don't know what you don't know and it's driving you insane
So just take a deep breath and go with something, learn about it, and customize it
I myself made the mistake of going with Manjaro as my first distribution. Yes, I liked it... but I never realized what I was missing until I started testing
So much was broken and I didn't even realize. I thought it was just a "Linux thing", that it happens simply because it's the nature of Linux
I switched to Xubuntu, made it look like Manjaro XFCE and I was sooo much happier
I may push this sort of "elitism", but I swear you're much better off going with something more stable
So I would say go with an Ubuntu flavor, learn about it, and when you start to feel like Ubuntu doesn't meet your needs, pursue a more advanced distribution
All these other distributions aren't as good as they seem, and you should take the time to figure that out yourself
last mantle
I myself made the mistake of going with Manjaro as my first distribution. Yes, I...
damn
latent scaffold
I text walled again \๐ฉ
basically, there's a lot more to it than you'd think
Xubuntu is my most used distribution, and it was amazing
Everything was so much simpler and things actually worked
For example, my audio. Didn't work at all on Manjaro, had to do some really sketchy things to get it to work
Even on Arch, it was so much easier to get working
all I had to do was sudo pacman -Syu sof-firmware and bam
acoustic moss
i use linux mint btw
latent scaffold
D:
acoustic moss
not so much as "use" as much as "have a laptop with mint lying around and nobody uses it"
latent scaffold
I mean there's no reason to use Mint
give me one plus that Mint has over something like Ubuntu MATE
latent scaffold
Again, looks are deceiving
like Xunbuntu has horrible defaults
but you just install a theme and some icons and suddenly it looks exactly like Manjaro but 10x better
People are so often turned off by the images on Google, but that's just not the reality
Looks are not everything, and it's annoying to see that as the deciding factor
acoustic moss
well
i have used ubuntu irl too
use might be a strong word
i have worked on ubuntu irl
latent scaffold
Meh, when I was picking out a distribution I made the same mistake
of going Google, looking at the images
picking whatever looked the coolest
acoustic moss
i went by the advice of people here ๐
latent scaffold
Honestly, I hate seeing people recommend Manjaro
People just don't realize how bad it actually is
halcyon moat
hiella
latent scaffold
like in many Linux communities, Manjaro has literally become a meme
latent scaffold
._.
I quite like Arch, honestly
I don't go bragging about it, but I still like it
vapid nymph
debian and ubuntu for me
latent scaffold
Wise choice
Debian's a little weird for desktop use, honestly
Too old and stable for me
but for beginners, I think they think that whatever they pick they're stuck with
vapid nymph
latent scaffold
they don't realize how versatile Linux really is D:
vapid nymph
fwiw im running 3 different distros excuse me
latent scaffold
lol
vapid nymph
and a beginner
heavy halo
they don't realize how versatile Linux really is D:
you are using Xunbuntu ?
latent scaffold
Which ones?
vapid nymph
and its a pain in the fucking ass
latent scaffold
you are using Xunbuntu ?
I was, but I'm not anymore
heavy halo
I was, but I'm not anymore
what are you using now ?
vapid nymph
debian and ubuntu and then raspberry pi os
latent scaffold
I'm using Arch
acoustic moss
sudo apt-get install windows :kek:
latent scaffold
I like it, but again, I wouldn't recommend it
vapid nymph
so basically 3 computers with debian and one with ubuntu
latent scaffold
I wouldn't recommend Arch, but you were given the choice between Arch, Endeavor, Garuda or Manjaro, you should pick Arch
acoustic moss
<a:ablobeyes:585561937656676362>
how many eyes emotes do you have
latent scaffold
If you can't install Arch, you're not going to be able to fix it when it breaks
vapid nymph
how many eyes emotes do you have
im gonna have to dm that
heavy halo
BRUHHHH
i just watch a review and testing Deepin on a VM in it was SH*** AF
im gonna install ubuntu
done
latent scaffold
also keep in mind, Linux YouTubers aren't that trustworthy
they are memes as well
heavy halo
don't know
let's see more people
but the weird part for me is Deepin is based on Debian not Arch
and you are still hating it
latent scaffold
I don't hate Arch derivatives because they're based on Arch
it's because they're all shady
I can't say much in the word of Deepin, but I know that it's not a good pick either
heavy halo
which one is better KDE or GNOME ?
quick ledge
I prefer KDE
tranquil orchid
KDE epic
latent scaffold
@heavy halo https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/
Feel free to see what's possible, notice how people customize things on like Arch/Ubuntu. Distro is irrelevant
You'll notice a lot of i3/i3-gaps/bspwm, but look for XFCE/KDE/GNOME
i3/i3-gaps/bspwm are tiling window managers, you're probably not looking for anything regarding them atm
heavy halo
one question where can i find Garuda multimedia ?
like the normal version Garuda that has normal icons
latent scaffold
RIP. all my convincing has done nothing
heavy halo
RIP. all my convincing has done nothing
no don't worry
im just downloading the distors i like so if i uninstalled the one i didn't like, i have at least save some time for myself for downloading them again
last mantle
heavy halo
garuda site
that is not in the website
last mantle
it is
heavy halo
you sure ?
heavy halo
i know
latent scaffold
What am I not understanding
heavy halo
could Garuda Wayfire be the replacement for the multimedia version ?
last mantle
idts
latent scaffold
wtf is multimedia
heavy halo
What am I not understanding
i feel like im giving him anxiety ?
heavy halo
wtf is multimedia
there was a another version of Garuda distort in it was called multimedia if im not wrong
latent scaffold
What was it for?
heavy halo
wdym ?
heavy halo
the only it's difference was that there was no gaming icons
latent scaffold
wtf are gaming icons
edgy crest
ye candy icons knew it
latent scaffold
man. if you're installing Garuda just for that, I'm so concerned
you can get that so easily on any distro with KDE
heavy halo
bruh im not only downloading it for that
im just downloading it
for no reason
the only reason that im downloading if i didn't like other distors
latent scaffold
I'm saying that Garuda isn't even a good fall-back option
like
there's not even a reason to fall-back on anything
Whatever Garuda offers won't be enough to differentiate it from something like Arch
if you set up Arch to look exactly like Garuda, you wouldn't even know the difference
if you noticed a difference, it'd be that Arch works better
heavy halo
is zorin OS bad ?
latent scaffold
Yes
heavy halo
i haven't download that yet
latent scaffold
You're only basing your decisions purely off of looks
it's one of my biggest pet peeves, honestly
latent scaffold
Well, you should make it 0%
that sounded rude lol
didn't mean for it to
anyways, you have to realize that looks don't matter
heavy halo
no its all good
latent scaffold
Arch literally is a tty terminal from the beginning
but you see what people can do with it
All you have to realize is that with a few themes and some minor customization, you can have a great looking DE
You should just download a well-supported distro and stick with it
heavy halo
one question, can i change the orange color in ubuntu ? cause i googled my question and there was notthing
latent scaffold
What do you mean the orange color
heavy halo
oh btw what about solos ?
latent scaffold
Chances are, yes
I wouldn't recommend Solus, either
You're putting in too much thought
You can't go wrong with the list I've made
latent scaffold
I feel like you're overthinking it, though
heavy halo
right now i have these distros: deepin - garuda - kubuntu - ubuntu
latent scaffold
There's nothing about Ubuntu vs Arch that you'll want other than package manager
as a beginner, I mean
and Ubuntu is the most supported distro for most applications
Especially games, even Steam proton
There's no reason to use something like Garuda over Arch
and no reason to use Deepin over Debian/Ubuntu
you can get the same without the risks that come from them
last mantle
There's no reason to use something like Garuda over Arch
there is and that its better for beginners and takes less time to install
and ig its has some features that might take a lot of uhh tinkering around in arch
latent scaffold
there is and that its better for beginners and takes less time to install
You realize that maintaining an Arch desktop is harder than the installation, right?
also there's not much "tinkering" involved in Arch
You can't expect a beginner to know that sudo pacman -Sy + sudo pacman -S <package> can break their installation
and you can't expect them to know how to fix it
Which is why I believe Arch shouldn't be used by beginners at all
last mantle
You can't expect a beginner to know that `sudo pacman -Sy` + `sudo pacman -S <pa...
google :)
any google tutorial will tell you to use Syu
latent scaffold
google :)
Would you expect a beginner to search for "What pacman commands should I not run"
last mantle
no rather
latent scaffold
because I personally didn't know that in the couple months that I used Manjaro
last mantle
they would be like what do i do after getting arch linux
latent scaffold
Didn't learn about it until I came across it in ArchWiki
when I was installing Arch
last mantle
its not like you know things when using ubuntu too
latent scaffold
Like what?
last mantle
thing is, when you search how to use a new os for example, sites provide you with enough knowledge to get started
Syu in my case
last mantle
doesnt matter
last mantle
im not talking about that in particular
last mantle
see, i believe that any person new to an os will google , how to use the os yes?
latent scaffold
see, i believe that any person new to an os will google , how to use the os yes?
Nothing here about partial upgrades
last mantle
ok manjaro is trash lol
see this
Answer
Setting initial mirrorlist
Open up "Reflector Simple" and make your choices. After testing the servers you will get a fresh mirrorlist.
Updating the system
Its a simple as opening the terminal and typing "sudo pacman -Syu". You will also find a shortcut to a GUI tool called Pamac in the startmenu which serves the same purpose.
Setting the terminal shortcut for updating mirrorlist and system at the same time
Open the file ~/.zshrc (you can do this via GUI or opening the terminal and typing "micro .zshrc") and find an alias called "#upd=...". Remove the "#" and change the options to fit your location and preferences. Now close the editor and type zsh to apply the change.
Downloading language packs
Some applications got language packs which are separated from the main application
(Firefox, Libreoffice, etc..). Usually you are required to download them manually however Garuda Linux is shipping the Garuda settings manager for that purpose. You will find a language pack option where you can select which language packs you want to download.
Setting the terminal theme
Garuda Linux is shipping with the Powerlevel10k zsh theme which makes working with the terminal easier. To set it up simply launch the terminal and answer the question of the setup wizard. Make sure to press yes until the actual theme choices pop up (the needed patched font is already included).```Well, regardless
I personally would've have Googled anything like that
I mean Xubuntu worked fine for me out of the box, there's not much to know about it
last mantle
ok , i admit, manjaro is weird
latent scaffold
also I meant wouldn't have Googled anything like that
I read a lot of the ArchWiki, but that's because I know how low-level Arch is
and there are things I must know to prevent potential issues
You don't need that with something like Ubuntu
it just works and it's incredibly easy to use with some of the best stability
Manjaro, on the other hand is pretty much none of what it claims to be
and I imagine the other derivatives have the same issues
last mantle
and I imagine the other derivatives have the same issues
they mostly dont
latent scaffold
Regardless, I don't think beginners should be using them
It feels almost wrong to market an Arch derivative as "beginner friendly"
also iirc, not even the Arch developers like the derivatives
last mantle
also iirc, not even the Arch developers like the derivatives
arch devs usually talk about manjaro in reddit and stuff
latent scaffold
Not sure, I don't use Reddit
but I doubt they talk about it in a positive manner
last mantle
they have a code of conduct
like, they cant shame other distros publically or something idk
latent scaffold
Well, that probably honestly misleads a lot of people
latent scaffold
I don't even know what that is
anyways, I think people would benefit more if they knew what they were getting into
Manjaro sounds perfect on the surface
latent scaffold
it doesn't
It really does, though. It makes all the right points to entice beginners
but it's terribly misleading
tribal aurora
it's fucked up
@latent scaffold i think i see you in the Discord Linux server right ?
ah yes
let's move on to there to show why it sucks
latent scaffold
let's move on to there to show why it sucks
No, I know it sucks, but beginners don't see that on the surface
tribal aurora
but they will probably regret their choices when they see a black screen after boot
latent scaffold
but they will probably regret their choices when they see a black screen after b...
Meh, most people won't realize until they eventually switch
which... nobody can ever stay on Manjaro
they will all eventually switch
latent scaffold
The real damage is that they've recommended everyone else to use it
I'm glad I found out all my issues were Manjaro specific
Even Arch itself has been a much better experience
The initial installation is daunting yet trivial
acoustic moss
bruh
trail juniper
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fresh ether
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ayo issa a joke damn.
trail juniper
Our code of conduct applies to jokes and serious content alike.
fresh ether
nobody walked into the chat, saw my message and went "BLASPHEMY!"
or is it blasfemy
hang on
yeah its blasphemy
trail juniper
If you'd like to discuss this further, feel free to reach out to @polar knoll, but that type of content is not welcome here.
fresh ether
I don't like modmail, I sent some mail to him, never got delivered, I'm filing a lawsuit against modmail for taking my mail ๐ก
What makes you assume I was referring to a woman's genitals?
I was talking about my grandma's cat.
Explain that. ๐ฅ
trail juniper
I'll explain to you that trying to troll here won't go down well.
fresh ether
It's not trolling, you really don't have to be so serious all the time, it was a joke.
That was a joke aswell.
Are jokes just not allowed here?
trail juniper
Jokes that violate our rules very much aren't
fresh ether
Okay, then what about the "Explain that", you assumed I was trolling when it was just really just a joke and basically threatened me with moderation, for a joke that didn't break any rules that time.
this is so obviously a joke with comical value regardless of it being unfunny or funny, it was never meant to troll.
trail juniper
If you believe I've abused my moderation abilities, feel free to reach out to @polar knoll
fresh ether
that'll get tossed out in seconds and I don't believe you abused your moderation abilities, I just think you need a spa day or something of the sort.
harsh tundra
Ad personam won't help you
molten stag
which one do you recommend? debian or ubuntu?
molten stag
does it lightweight?
edgy crest
no
last mantle
depends on your DE or WM
harsh tundra
Weren't some other 'buntus lightweight?
I remember that there's kubuntu and xubuntu and i think one of them was lightweight. But I just use normal Ubuntu, so idk
last mantle
xubuntu is lighter yes
molten stag
I need a light and stable distro, can you please suggest me?
edgy crest
arch
last mantle
i cant think of any other than xubuntu
graceful basin
light and stable is probably some build of debian, but it may be too stable for desktop use
graceful basin
is python 3.5 in debian stable yet?
last mantle
light and stable is probably some build of debian, but it may be too stable for ...
too stable?
latent scaffold
dunno how Debian versioning works but https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch has 3.5
graceful basin
debian stable updates packages very seldom, since they do thorough rigorous tests to ensure nothing breaks
last mantle
ohh
graceful basin
which makes it a pain for programmers
but great for servers and such
RHEL is an even more extreme example of this
latent scaffold
actually, stable looks to have 3.7
graceful basin
but well, that isn't free software, and centOS is no longer up to date.
latent scaffold
graceful basin
oh nice, that is actually pretty good
I haven't installed debian in years, so IDK all that much
graceful basin
yeah, that is the main appeal of arch to me
not having to install most things from other sources to have up to date stuff
latent scaffold
It was mostly the learning experience for me
DIY Linux, what could be any more fun?
acoustic moss
DIY windows
latent scaffold
oh no
inland wolf
oh yes
last mantle
there really is no use of even being on linux for me as windows does most of the jobs linux can do
honest pawn
DIY apple
last mantle
oh no
honest pawn
Step 1: find an Apple Tree
latent scaffold
there really is no use of even being on linux for me as windows does most of the...
Sure, but Linux can do a lot that Windows cannot
honest pawn
Step 2: pay $1000
latent scaffold
like tbh the reason Windows is the most used is because Windows is the most used
last mantle
Sure, but Linux can do a lot that Windows cannot
like
honest pawn
last mantle
Windows has WSL too heh
latent scaffold
can't do a KVM from WSL lol
Kernel-based Virtual Machine
basically... think of it as a more integrated VM
a machine running next to a machine rather than a machine within a machine
last mantle
oh, whats its use
latent scaffold
Well, cross-platform dev or like games that only run on Windows
KVMs run pretty great
doesn't work with games with mean anticheats, though
last mantle
eh then whats the point of a KVM in windows??
molten stag
ok i finally chose ubuntu, and i have one more question.
will ubuntu be lighter than windows?
latent scaffold
KVM can't work in Windows lol
last mantle
i guess yeah
latent scaffold
ok i finally chose ubuntu, and i have one more question.
will ubuntu be lighter ...
Definitely. Much lighter
last mantle
KVM can't work in Windows lol
list the usecases of KVM
latent scaffold
eh then whats the point of a KVM in windows??
KVM won't run in Windows, but it can run Windows
They're VMs
but better
last mantle
i honestly dont see the point of running windows in linux
latent scaffold
Compatibility
quick ledge
cross-platform X
latent scaffold
or maybe you're developing a program and want to make sure it runs on Windows as well
but Linux is much lighter than Windows is
and you can do a majority of things that you can't on Windows
last mantle
not all distros but yyeah
latent scaffold
no, pretty much all distros
last mantle
yeah its recommended to have 6gb ram and stuff
edgy crest
but better
you mean the full form is kool Vm's
latent scaffold
Any sane distro is lighter than Windows
edgy crest
last mantle
light doesnt appeal to me
edgy crest
its just tiny flush for me
latent scaffold
oh no D:
latent scaffold
last mantle
yeah
latent scaffold
wtf is this
edgy crest
lul
edgy crest
last mantle
weird
latent scaffold
oh no. I'm going to cry
last mantle
i have the same problem in garuda
emojis are kinda messed
unicode ones
type soem weird letters or greek alphabets here
latent scaffold
um. this is depressing
So you're telling me I can have โ but not \๐ณ
what is this.
latent scaffold
oh no
latent scaffold
oml why my emoji no work :( this is depressing
this one?
latent scaffold
any of them
sterile sapphire
oh
latent scaffold
no, I mean like
sterile sapphire
uhhh
edgy crest
is tailwind like bootstrap
wraith hound
Kind of, but better. https://tailwindcss.com/
heavy halo
@latent scaffold is POP OS bad ?
heavy halo
How ?
latent scaffold
because all it does is save you a single command
which would be something like sudo apt install nvidia-driver-460
it's useless, it shouldn't exist
yet it does :/
latent scaffold
um... You're not seriously considering ChromeOS, are you?
latent scaffold
I don't think it's even possible to install ChromeOS on a computer
heavy halo
Bu there is a Chrome OS distro for linux
graceful basin
I certainly wouldn't recommend chromeOS for anything but chromebooks
heavy halo
Ok i was wrong there is only one chrome OS, but is t bad though ?
latent scaffold
It's not bad, but you don't want it on your computer
just as you wouldn't want Android on your computer
I doubt you can even install it, but you shouldn't regardless
heavy halo
Is Zorin OS bad too ?
graceful basin
what do you want from a linux distro?
graceful basin
if you just want to use linux, some derivative of ubuntu will likely be the best choice
heavy halo
And btw why did you say that solos is bad ? I forgot
And there is a Debian distro ? Is that good
?
latent scaffold
Solus is weird... it's like "kind of" rolling release
graceful basin
Debian is excellent, though I would suggest some variant ubuntu, which build on debian and make it nicer for desktop usage with better defaults and a ton of resources
latent scaffold
honestly, I can't tell what you're looking for
It's weird that you even thought of using ChromeOS
heavy halo
No just searched for distros and i found cheome os
latent scaffold
that's weird. but you really should stop searching, honesstly
you're getting into really weird distribution territory
heavy halo
And i thought okay google made this so there is no problem why i would not install this
plucky ridge
cough cough Manjaro cough cough
latent scaffold
Well, whatever research you're doing, it's not enough D:
wraith hound
If you're new to Linux, use something like Ubuntu.
graceful basin
rolling releases aren't the greatest choice if you don't know what you are doing
latent scaffold
cough cough Manjaro cough cough
You're calling Manjaro a weird distribution, yes? If so, I totally agree
plucky ridge
You say weird, I say the least amount of trouble I've ever had with a Linux Distro
acoustic moss
just stick to windows smh
/s
latent scaffold
Guess it depends, for a lot of people... Manjaro has probably been an entire mess
graceful basin
windows is really nice these days tbh
plucky ridge
Probably
acoustic moss
IKR
plucky ridge
The same could be said for any other distro, though
latent scaffold
I mean... Arch has managed to be much better for me than Manjaro
dare I bring up the Manjaro controversies site again D:
honest star
just stick to windows smh
/s
This but no /s =P
graceful basin
with docker, you can just run linux software near natively
graceful basin
wsl is also an option
plucky ridge
Only big downside is having to snag a bunch of build tools that are fairly hefty
latent scaffold
On Arch, I think they are
plucky ridge
No no, I'm saying for Windows
latent scaffold
I mean WSL
acoustic moss
i didn't even want WSL but docker forced me to get it anyway ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
plucky ridge
Oh gotcha
latent scaffold
I think the group on Arch is fairly big
honest star
Grabbing build tools one time vs worrying about managing upgrades and generally not have a lot of software be built for your platform.... I'll take the build tool retrieval
plucky ridge
Like I said, only real downside
latent scaffold
build-essential on Ubuntu is fine, isn't it?
Don't remember it being big or anything
plucky ridge
I'm more saying the microsoft build tools for VS
latent scaffold
oh. yes... those are HUGE
plucky ridge
They're pretty essential
latent scaffold
Meh, I think people overestimate the "complexity" of Linux, though
plucky ridge
And I think people underestimate the convenience of Windows
plucky ridge
Yep. Just like anything else, use what works best for you
honest star
Also, morning Hemlock~
plucky ridge
Yo
edgy crest
You say weird, I say the least amount of trouble I've ever had with a Linux Dist...
ikr
graceful basin
a friend did have majaro break multiple times
edgy crest
but i am not the one to say since its the only one i have used 
plucky ridge
Eivl did when he installed his new graphics card
However the solution was literally to run pacman and update
twin charm
but i am not the one to say since its the only one i have used <:bloboops:586018...
I thought you used arch too?
honest star
Eivl also practically runs a supercomputer though
edgy crest
I thought you used arch too?
nah im too noob to install arch
latent scaffold
Manjaro had a lot of broken things for me, but I didn't know they were necessarily broken
plucky ridge
In fairness it has only improved
twin charm
nah im too noob to install arch
so what about those old screenshots from december? that wasn't arch?
plucky ridge
It previously was a lot more shoddy
twin charm
Eivl also practically runs a supercomputer though
a lot of RAM on his pc?
latent scaffold
Like my mic didn't work on Manjaro, someone told me this really weird thing that some channels don't work together or something
latent scaffold
that I would either have only output or only input
honest star
He has an absolutely insane amount of RAM, his graphics cards are next level, and everything about this build is "I don't fuck around" level
latent scaffold
I switch to Xubuntu and right away, my mic works
twin charm
He has an absolutely insane amount of RAM, his graphics cards are next level, an...
damn.
acoustic moss
that I would either have only output or only input
latent scaffold
also I can't remember what but my bluetooth was buggy
honest star
Also no one is in the office today and it is so pleasant
latent scaffold
and my wifi was buggy
plucky ridge
For some reason when I ran Ubuntu, it'd always break about a month after for no reason
latent scaffold
also my sound didn't work ootb, I had to do some really weird configuration to get it to work
wraith hound
Also no one is in the office today and it is so pleasant
Sounds nice.
latent scaffold
Were you on LTS?
plucky ridge
Yep
plucky ridge
I probably did something to screw it up
But it did leave a bit of a bad taste in my mouth
latent scaffold
I used to speak highly of Manjaro, but it was my first and only distro at the time
basically I didn't realize what exactly was wrong with it until I switched away
like even with... Minecraft... I noticed a huge FPS boost... 600 on Manjaro, 2.5k on Xubuntu
same settings and everything
latent scaffold
No, but it's enough to have my jaw drop
acoustic moss
Do... do you really need all those frames?
naturally
latent scaffold
on Manjaro? XFCE
latent scaffold
I switched to Xubuntu because by then I was already used to XFCE
plucky ridge
I love me some XFCE
latent scaffold
Rip the Manjaro themes and bam... basically Manjaro
last mantle
like even with... Minecraft... I noticed a *huge* FPS boost... 600 on Manjaro, 2...
bruh what
i barely get 60
latent scaffold
lol
but when I switched from Manjaro to Xubuntu, everything was so much better for me
plucky ridge
Does make me wonder if it was a driver lag behind and if Arch would have had the same power hit
latent scaffold
I'm using Arch currently, I'm not sure what it is but I still only get 600 FPS
plucky ridge
Likely something with the Arch specific drivers then
I'm not sure if that can be blamed specifically on Manjaro
latent scaffold
Perhaps, I'm willing to bet it's something related to the stinky Optimus
plucky ridge
Probable
latent scaffold
I'm not sure if that can be blamed specifically on Manjaro
Of course, but still a reason to not use Arch or a derivative... despite me still using Arch
plucky ridge
I should say that my Manjaro rig at home is an oldish HP workstation laptop
That's a fair point, absolutely
latent scaffold
There's no denying that it works until it doesn't
plucky ridge
Not to mention the lack of support compared to Debian based
latent scaffold
Like... it's kind of inevitable
plucky ridge
I've only seen issues happen when people modify their hardware
Or rather, that's when it happens most
latent scaffold
Maybe, but most of my own problems occured ootb
plucky ridge
The only huge issue I've had with it was when I didn't use the thing for over a month, and came back to a shit ton of expired certs. THAT was a nightmare
latent scaffold
oh yeah, that's on the controversies page
vapid nymph
I probably did something to screw it up
Lmao i open the channel and this is what I saw and I uh am thinking uh
plucky ridge
The kernel updates aren't really as big of a deal as they make it out to be
You can easily stick to a LTS one and never worry about it
latent scaffold
Meh, I don't like how Manjaro's marketed towards beginners, though
Managing Manjaro is honestly probably harder than managing Arch
plucky ridge
I'll have to run Arch to see how it compares
Never got around to it. Tried it a few years back and just got fed up with trying
latent scaffold
They've got a guided installer recently
plucky ridge
That's a gamechanger
latent scaffold
or so I've heard plenty of times