:)
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
acoustic moss
acoustic moss
you can also put elses with try-excepts btw
carmine niche
what happened to there only being one way to do it
edgy crest
what happened to python liking simple things
what happened to you liking complex things
edgy crest
haskell? 
acoustic moss
69 + 420j
carmine niche
haskell is pretty simple tbh
it is really not all that it's hyped up to be
most of its image comes from academic elitism i would say
well
let me correctr
i don't like useless complex things
and i prefer a useful simple thing to an equivalent useful complex thing
but that doesn't mean i dogmatically despise complex things
acoustic moss
same
carmine niche
in fact i have used a boolean flag in the past
when i did my primes thing
p, c = [], 2
while True:
f = True
for x in p:
if p ** .5 > c:
break
elif c % p == 0:
f = False
break
if f:
p.append(c)
print(c)
c += 1
harsh tundra
I sometimes do things like using a loop only to search for some thing but I don't think I ever used else
carmine niche
```py
p, c = [], 2
while True:
f = True
for x in p:
if p ** .5 >...
not the proper implementation of the sieve but idk how one would properly implement the sieve in python (infinitely) so it do how it be
discord has so many little ui quirks that they are just too fucking lazy to fix
god i hate discord the company so much
gritty zinc
I've done prime sieves in Python, but I don't know how infinite ones work
carmine niche
ms can't buy them soon enough
gritty zinc
something something modification to the algorithm...
carmine niche
i mean afaik what i've done is as good as it gets if you're looking in something sieve-like that generates an infinite list
ofc you could make it better by implementing more efficient prime checking algorithms
gritty zinc
huh, really?
tardy rain
Doubtful things will improve if ms buys tho
carmine niche
why
gritty zinc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Eratosthenes#Incremental_sieve
I was thinking of this
carmine niche
that is what i was referring to as well
carmine niche
skype is a different platform from a different time that was bought by ms under different leadership
look what ms did to github
gritty zinc
...that does resonate with me, Skype went to absolute shit about when MS bought it.
gritty zinc
look what ms did to github
look what ms did to github
...did it do anything? I was waiting in horror, but it feels like it's just that nothing has changed.
sterile sapphire
Skype 🥴
carmine niche
> look what ms did to github
...did it do anything? I was waiting in horror, but...
they made like half the paid services free, added actions, added a bunch of other shit that they could afford to do because they own azure
gritty zinc
Zoom isn't equivalent to Skype, so that's not a fair comparison...
...but it's hard to see why people don't use https://meet.jit.si/ instead of zoom
graceful basin
I quite like skype tbh
carmine niche
...but it's hard to see why people don't use https://meet.jit.si/ instead of zoo...
probably because they haven't done shit to market themselves? i literally never heard of them until today
with very few exceptions you can't survive just by having a good product alone
tardy rain
Idk wouldnt hold my breath for some megacorp to do nice things
gritty zinc
fair enough, I also didn't until I found a mention of it as an opensource zoom alternative
(jitsi itself is opensource, not sure about the meet.jit.si service provided by 8x8, but that's still a whole lot better than a Chinese company lol)
carmine niche
Idk wouldnt hold my breath for some megacorp to do nice things
i mean the options are as follows:
- ms improves discord, we rejoice
- ms doesn't change discord and adds xbox integration, xbox gamers rejoice
- ms drives discord's dying carcass into the dirt enabling us to finally leave it behind and move to some better platform that rises to take its place, we rejoice
acoustic moss
discord is dying? 🤔
tardy rain
Personally tho, not an xbox gamer so i dont care about all that noise and something better or at least equally good takes time to be propped up to the point discord is
carmine niche
they keep adding new half-baked features that they stole from someone's youtube project instead of fixing bugs, adding support, increasing performance, responding to customer complaints..
yes i'm eyeing you, stages
tardy rain
DISCORD STORIES WHEN
carmine niche
i mean ben awad didn't actually accuse them of stealing it but like
come on
come on
inland wolf
> look what ms did to github
...did it do anything? I was waiting in horror, but...
ikr
sterile sapphire
🥴
carmine niche
you can't tell me they didn't steal it
inland wolf
well
inland wolf
as he says they both solve a different problem
sterile sapphire
or a combination of things you already know
carmine niche
as he says they both solve a different problem
they only solve different problems in context
the software itself is basically identical
inland wolf
yes
but this happens all the time
YouTube and Instagram have tiktok clones
reels is a tiktok clome right?
inland wolf
yes
inland wolf
whats my argument
carmine niche
idek
carmine niche
you started off with it isn't stolen bc they do different things and then you said something about how it happens all the time
and i was like yeah i don't see your point bc yes, people steal software all the time that doesn't make it not stealing
carmine niche
idk man
carmine niche
from my perspective he seems to be implying they stole it, just that it doesn't matter to the survival of the project
inland wolf
its only on iPhone tho ri
inland wolf
from my perspective he seems to be implying they stole it, just that it doesn't ...
yea
carmine niche
like the "it isn't a copy because the bg color is different" is totally a sardonic, plausibly deniable way of saying "yes, they stole my idea"
carmine niche
reminds me of ice ice baby
acoustic moss
have y'all watched tom scott's video on copyright
its' 40 mins+ long
but its Tom Scott so it doesnt matter
carmine niche
yes i have
acoustic moss
ok
inland wolf
its' 40 mins+ long
i stopped watching halfway
inland wolf
lol
winged sparrow
i need help
i'm trying to install mods and stuff for a mc server and it keeps saying two things
i have literally no idea how to fix it i have tried everything
harsh tundra
Try disabling your antivirus software for the time of installing it. I had problems with Avast literally snatching one file from steam game and breaking it. Had to whitelist the file
Also, before installing, go to file's properties and unlock the file. Windows does something to downloaded files.
harsh tundra
i have literally no idea how to fix it i have tried everything
^
molten stag
I am confused why os is made in c language while the native code generated in c is read by the os itself
inland wolf
because its not only the os that reads the code
sterile sapphire
I'm getting very naruto and sasuke vibes
and I don't quite like it
it feels very lazy
molten stag
because its not only the os that reads the code
does machine read native code?
inland wolf
machine reads machine code
but to edit that code its easier to read it when it's in c
since its not just 1s and 0s
molten stag
c > native code > is read by os.
but the os is written in c? this is chicken and egg problem
i dont understand
graceful basin
a very small part of the OS is written in assembly
that part loads other things and sets things up such that compiled C works
molten stag
a very small part of the OS is written in assembly
isn't assembly a disassembled native code?
graceful basin
assembly is just a different representation of machine code
since reading raw bytes is inefficient
acoustic moss
Compiler magic
-pip install *, 4/4/2021
last mantle
Hi
gritty zinc
otn a compiler magic
inland wolf
that would be a good otn
small perch
should i install kali or linux?
harsh tundra
should i install kali or linux?
kali is a linux distro.
and there's no need to post your question in all ot channels
small perch
i mean, kali still an os, right?
harsh tundra
yes. as I said, kali is a linux distro
so "kali or linux" is like saying "square or rectangle". squares are rectangles
tardy rain
Ubuntu or bust
low chasm
Lol
vague hatch
Ubuntu or bust
Im using Ubuntu i think their great
low chasm
Yeah linux tends to do that
Its lightweight on system resources
Main reason I installed archcraft on my laptop
rich moon
when windows itself is 30gb or sth
low chasm
Lol
harsh tundra
who are the feudal lords?
What feudal lords?
tardy rain
The ones in japan like 500 years ago
halcyon bone
what are your views on paid linux distros
(that don't provide a free download alternative)
vapid nymph
typically don't do it
halcyon bone
i hate them imo
i know linux is open source and allows copying for commercial usage
but still, i don't understand making people pay for them
sterile sapphire
holy shit I can't watch mr robot in front of my parents
I didn't know the show was this graphic
mild abyss
what are your views on paid linux distros
im fine with it
mild abyss
but still, i don't understand making people pay for them
business or go empty handed
uneven oak
imagine copyrighting latters
sinful mantle
@vapid nymph lets not interrupt the other channel
sinful mantle
acutally
vapid nymph
sinful mantle
thats a neat idea, being able to get the source of a command
royal lakeBOT
vapid nymph
rather than parsing its own source
it parses github
so when i'm updating commands and stuff isn't always matching the main branch in github, as long as its in the same file with the correct name, it will get the correct source
sinful mantle
yeah thats a fair concern
hence the neat idea
could expand that to search any repo, possibly
vapid nymph
Yeah
sinful mantle
or well, just any code file
vapid nymph
Exactly
My bot has like 3 commands right now but it does all of it better.
An eval command, an invite command, and a source command 
sinful mantle
eval better than jishaku? no way
vapid nymph
Yes, you can view the source of any 2 commands with the source command
Better than [most bots]
sinful mantle
lol fair
vapid nymph
No idea what jishaku is lol
sinful mantle
!pypi jishaku
royal lakeBOT
sinful mantle
lol
vapid nymph
Unlike the bot I originally took the eval command from
I ended up totally rewriting it
Viewing jishaku
Interesting....
Might use it for my next bot...
I'm having enough fun with building the entire framework
And I think I'm learning more too by doing just about all of it
sinful mantle
hey, if its fun more power to you
vapid nymph
I'll put "fun" this way..
Typically I write a bunch of code
Then do some Google search or ask some question and then replace it with a much shorter thing using a different library
In the upside, I'm learning a whole lot of string manipulation methods
sinful mantle
heh
vapid nymph
And also learning about a lot of fun libraries
In the downside, my diffs typically are add
Add
Add
Add
WHOA remove a while bunch replace with little bit
sinful mantle
kinda like me wanting to make my own ebook renderer for a epaper display, and then deciding fuck it, ill just use LaTeX
because yea
rendering ebooks is not easy just with pillow
sinful mantle
its decent
just
not a xhtml renderer
so instead of rendering xhtml i decided to transcribe it to LaTeX
vapid nymph
Latex is a different language iirc?
brazen ingot
Yes
sinful mantle
almost every research paper is made in latex
brazen ingot
Its preety cool
sinful mantle
sinful mantle
nope
discord has no latex support
that is markdown
a entirely diferent beast
and so so so much smaller than latex
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[english]{babel}
\usepackage{minted}
\begin{document}
\begin{minted}{python}
def a():
print("a")
\end{minted}
\end{document}
Oof lol
sinful mantle
thats a simple python code rendered in latex using minted
brazen ingot
I used to put links in text they appeard blue
sinful mantle
im really confused what you're talking about
brazen ingot
I mean do you see that blue links over text in wikipedia's articles
sinful mantle
thats a entirely different markup language
vapid nymph
^
sinful mantle
it can be used for a lot of things
what started this whole conversation was me rendering ebooks using it
which its also used for commonly, (e)books
vapid nymph
I believe Wikipedia and discord use markdown
rough sapphire
eivl why the FRICK do you have a RAM garden
tardy rain
Where else would you grow your RAM lmao
vapid nymph
Lol
shrewd ledge
<if><conditional type=equals><list><li>5</li><li>5</li></list></conditional><then>
<p>5 = 5!</p>
</then>
</if>
```hypertext programming languageDid you even tag him
it doesn’t look like it highlighted
oh
yeah that’s probably good
sinful mantle
yeah i mean its kind on the offtopic channel name bingo card to get pinged if your name is in the title
sinful mantle
...
vapid nymph
Hi
sinful mantle
whats up?
vapid nymph
It's always satisfying when nothing has exploded or caught on fire after making a change and stepping away 
vapid nymph
HA YES
@sinful mantle so i ported that command over to a bot that i cloned
it works flawlessly
again, the only requirement is that the function name and file are the same
inland wolf
eivl is a good ram gardener
latent plume
Can someone help me on a simple matlab script?
clear all
close all
clc
B = 3*10^19; % sec^-1
E = 347.8; % kj/kg
Tk = 293:240:6739; % kelvin
R = 8.314; % j/k*mol
p = 2200; % kg/m^3
t = 24:240:2400; %secs
w = 2200 .* B .* exp((-E) ./ (R .* Tk))
plot(w,t)
im just trying to plot this against time
but its saying that the vectors arent the same legnth even though they are
inland wolf
bruh
vapid nymph
@sinful mantle is hot-reload on pypi
sinful mantle
<@!151347084602245120> is hot-reload on pypi
yes, but my PR isn't merged yet.
my fork: https://github.com/laundmo/reloading/ (also links pypi if you want the old and really bugged version)
mellow spire
*self bot, boys we gottem*
for sure a self bot, they don't have nitro and are using animated emojis
<@&267629731250176001>
sinful mantle
hold on
i initially reacted with the emojis
i have nitro
@mellow spire not a selfbot, that was literally me
mellow spire
oh welp, sorry for the ping then
sinful mantle
yeah i was messing with them a bit
probably shouldnt have in hindsight but yeah, definitely noone selfbotting there
just 
sterile sapphire
What is that
mellow spire
banananananana
sterile sapphire
Are those spinning bananas
yeah I thought so
Lmao
Really fast spinning banana
sinful mantle
sterile sapphire
🥴
vapid nymph
for sure a self bot, they don't have nitro and are using animated emojis
i was gonna do it but didn't because helper role
edgy crest
sinful mantle
i was gonna do it but didn't because helper role
lol i was just reacting to the messages manually
sinful mantle
you legit thought that was a selfbot?
vapid nymph
but wasn't sure because you reacted to the first one after not a long delay
edgy crest
i didnt cause you have used that emoji a lot of times before
vapid nymph
which is unexpected because there were no messages for a while
honest star
Out of curiosity, what made you think laundmo doesn't have nitro?
vapid nymph
nothing
sinful mantle
Out of curiosity, what made you think laundmo doesn't have nitro?
initially i had removed my reactions, with only @vapid nymph's reactions being on those messages
mellow spire
Out of curiosity, what made you think laundmo doesn't have nitro?
not laundmo, i was talking about rei
honest star
Ah
low chasm
Hi :D
acoustic moss
its the only emote that has ever made me even want to get nitro
low chasm
Bananas suck
acoustic moss
bananarotat
slow
sterile sapphire
bananas are amazing
edgy crest
not actually bananas
low chasm
Mhm, they taste bad, and are slimy
edgy crest
yes
sterile sapphire
they don’t taste bad
sterile sapphire
I don’t know what experience you had
acoustic moss
duel it to the death
sinful mantle
banana
low chasm
No banana
vapid nymph
ducky ninja no banana
honest star
Let's not with the reaction spam pls
sinful mantle
but im literally banana colored
edgy crest
sterile sapphire
Did you choke on a banana chunk 🥴
edgy crest
found it
sterile sapphire
Is that why you’re like this
low chasm
but im literally banana colored
Well, yes
edgy crest
banana duckie when
sinful mantle
lol out of context
sterile sapphire
a nice ripe banana is so good
low chasm
lol out of context
Lol
acoustic moss
lol
low chasm
a nice ripe banana is so good
No
edgy crest
loL
low chasm
Ripe bananas are the best worst
sterile sapphire
What did bananas do to you
sinful mantle
rotat
acoustic moss
exist
inland wolf
🍌👍
acoustic moss
wot
inland wolf
bruh
low chasm
Banana bad
sterile sapphire
Banana good
acoustic moss
Banana rotat
low chasm
Banana good
No
sterile sapphire
Yes
low chasm
No
acoustic moss
ok
sterile sapphire
Yes
low chasm
Banana slimy bad and horrible
sterile sapphire
Banana excellent
carmine niche
hey we had this conversation the other day
low chasm
No
carmine niche
personally i dislike bananas but i like banana bread
low chasm
Yes
sterile sapphire
Banana good
edgy crest
booger? 
acoustic moss
banana starts with b
bad starts with b
convinced yet sheeple!?!?
carmine niche
inland wolf
low chasm
banana starts with b
bad starts with b
convinced yet sheeple!?!?
Haha facts
acoustic moss
https://tenor.com/view/gif-banana-man-funny-gif-15106555
wtf
low chasm
https://tenor.com/view/gif-banana-man-funny-gif-15106555
Wtf
edgy crest
wtf
inland wolf
https://tenor.com/view/gif-banana-man-funny-gif-15106555
bruh lol
inland wolf
hes got the banana gun
sterile sapphire
They’re amazing
low chasm
No
edgy crest
low chasm
No please
sterile sapphire
Aboo eats lemons over bananas 🥴
acoustic moss
lemon pog
low chasm
Lemons are SO much better
carmine niche
lemons are pog
sterile sapphire
What
carmine niche
low chasm
Lemos pog
sterile sapphire
They’re so sour
acoustic moss
yes
sterile sapphire
Bananas are amazing
acoustic moss
that's the point
acoustic moss
jinc
sterile sapphire
bananas are sweet
acoustic moss
x
low chasm
Rip spelling
acoustic moss
lol
inland wolf
bruh gow do u eT lemozn
low chasm
Suck
inland wolf
how* eat* lemons*
acoustic moss
bruh gow do u eT lemozn
inland wolf
but they are sour
sterile sapphire
God knowd
inland wolf
lol
inland wolf
bruh gow do u eT lemozn
ok bro
low chasm
but they are sour
Well that's the point
inland wolf
lemonade is good
acoustic moss
yes
low chasm
Yeah
inland wolf
oh u like sour stuff
sterile sapphire
Banana are amazing
acoustic moss
no
mellow spire
!otn a laundmo's banana garden
low chasm
Lol
inland wolf
laundmos rotato bananas
low chasm
Bananas are horrible
sterile sapphire
!otn aboo is wrong about bananas
low chasm
No I'm right
acoustic moss
yes
sterile sapphire
wrong
low chasm
Right
inland wolf
what kind of bananas have u been eating
sterile sapphire
Wrong
low chasm
what kind of bananas have u been eating
All bananas suck
edgy crest
i sometimes pluck some half sliced lemons in my mouth ¯_(ツ)_/¯
low chasm
Yes
edgy crest
in summer
low chasm
Delicious
acoustic moss
yes
inland wolf
All bananas suck
sheesh
sterile sapphire
Bad for your teeth 🥴
inland wolf
ikr
acoustic moss
good for your soul
low chasm
Yes
sterile sapphire
but bad for your teeth
acoustic moss
soul > teeth
inland wolf
no point of soul without teeth
low chasm
My inner spirit must be fed
acoustic moss
no point of teeth without soul
sterile sapphire
Yeah you say that when you damage your teeth 🥴
low chasm
Mhm
inland wolf
well
sterile sapphire
And can’t eat
inland wolf
u can use it for fertilizer
acoustic moss
use what
inland wolf
cant use souls for fertilizers can you?
low chasm
I just absorb the lemon
edgy crest
ur soul
sterile sapphire
🥴
acoustic moss
you can't use teeth for fertilizers
edgy crest
soul fertilizers amirite
inland wolf
exactly
low chasm
Lol
inland wolf
no u can
acoustic moss
no
sterile sapphire
Bananas don’t damage your teeth
inland wolf
yes
sterile sapphire
Bananas are good
edgy crest
they damage your stomach
acoustic moss
Bananas don’t damage your teeth
they damage your soul
solemn leaf
Morning
low chasm
Bananas damage your soal
acoustic moss
yes
inland wolf
no
inland wolf
they don't
solemn leaf
low chasm
Yes they do
edgy crest
just eat watermelons, grapes and mangoes
sterile sapphire
Banana don’t damage your soul 🥴
low chasm
bad bananas bad
inland wolf
banana is good
sterile sapphire
Bananas are good
inland wolf
high potassium
sterile sapphire
muscles
inland wolf
great of potassium lovers
acoustic moss
K
inland wolf
for*
edgy crest
grapes are the best
inland wolf
no
edgy crest
yes
acoustic moss
my pun tho
inland wolf
grapes are round
edgy crest
juicy
acoustic moss
cmon
edgy crest
and sweet
sterile sapphire
bananas are amazing
solemn leaf
Banana + salt + spice + one fork is fine
inland wolf
banana is bananan shaped
edgy crest
watermelons and mangoes are great
acoustic moss
lemon is ball
inland wolf
its so cool it has its own shape
edgy crest
juciy
acoustic moss
no
edgy crest
and sweet
low chasm
Banana + salt + spice + one fork is fine
Wtf
acoustic moss
it's cucumber shape
inland wolf
no
low chasm
Lol
acoustic moss
yes
edgy crest
if banana had water in it i would eat it
acoustic moss
what
low chasm
Cucumbers are good
low chasm
Pfft
solemn leaf
Banana chipsss
inland wolf
lol
inland wolf
banana chips
acoustic moss
banana chips is acceptable
inland wolf
i bet u don't have grape chips
edgy crest
yeah those are nice
inland wolf
ha
low chasm
Lol
acoustic moss
potato cool
edgy crest
potato chips supreme
sterile sapphire
low chasm
Potatoes are nice
sterile sapphire
Get refuted 🥴
acoustic moss
bruh
edgy crest
<@749972819135168522> http://sip.gocontigo.com/what-foods-have-the-highest-water...
nice thanks
save water guys
eat fruits
dont drink water
like me
low chasm
Watermelons are pog
inland wolf
we share 50% of our dna with bananas
low chasm
Watermelons are delicious
solemn leaf
Searched for banana chips 😩
https://c.tenor.com/pYR1hNjiT9MAAAAM/chips-spuds.gif
low chasm
we share 50% of our dna with bananas
That's why people suck
inland wolf
lol
low chasm
Searched for banana chips 😩
https://c.tenor.com/pYR1hNjiT9MAAAAM/chips-spuds.gi...
Wtf lmao
acoustic moss
Searched for banana chips 😩
https://c.tenor.com/pYR1hNjiT9MAAAAM/chips-spuds.gi...
wtf
@Moderators
@Admins
low chasm
Lol
inland wolf
FRUIT NINJA
solemn leaf
That's french fries
solemn leaf
Fruit ninja on VR
inland wolf
bruhhh
inland wolf
ikr
solemn leaf
I ain't getting the name lol
inland wolf
Oh beat saber
ban
solemn leaf
B4uh
edgy crest
back when fruit ninja was the sole entertainment source
edgy crest
hmm
inland wolf
ol
acoustic moss
vIOlenCe
inland wolf
ikr
edgy crest
thank god my childhood was spent with tom and jerry
low chasm
Lol
low chasm
I'm 14
acoustic moss
fucking teenage boomers
solemn leaf
Yes
acoustic moss
Yes
inland wolf
lol
low chasm
Lmao
edgy crest
hmm
solemn leaf
😩
inland wolf
tom and jerry ended sadly too
how did it end
acoustic moss
sadly
inland wolf
ok
edgy crest
very sadly
edgy crest
@inland wolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02WOL9lLx8
shrewd ledge
<assign name="variable" type="string">
<form action="return">
<label for="input">Code example: Enter a string</label><br>
<input type="text" id="input" name="input" value="example"><br>
<input type="submit">
</form>
</assign>
<p><variable name="variable"></p>
```htplis that the one with the weird dof
dog
and weird old people
acoustic moss
yeah i was too scared to watch that
acoustic moss
i think so
tribal aurora
lol i accidentally typed "do a barrel roll" in google lol
edgy crest
"accidently"
tribal aurora
?
edgy crest
why would someone accidently type do a barrel roll
tribal aurora
arrows
solemn leaf
Hm
inland wolf
true
keen wigeon
Sometimes i feel some people in the server are jumping ahead of themselves into very complicated stuff for themselves
Mostly in game development where people just come in and straight up ask how to "start making a game" or "how to use/learn pygame/arcade/panda/etc." Without any previous experience
What im trying to say is that it looks like too many people outside of programming think that making a game is easy and come and ask these questions like it wasnt a big deal
Many of these people just ask for a quick fix in their codes and i just cant take the time to really tell them that they need some more knowledge to do what they want to achieve
Look im nobody to judge how people learn but the other day a guy asked to fix his pygame code and after a while of helping him i got to know that he doest even know about list and indexes.
Btw he was trying to do a lot in pygame
I dont know about you but i thinl lists and indexes is something very simple
End of rant
gritty zinc
Mostly in game development where people just come in and straight up ask how to ...
even more often: never done any kind of programming in their lives, want to program a discord bot.
that's why like half of #discord-bots is general Python questions
wise schooner
the first thing ppl do to learn python is make a discord bot 🙃
keen wigeon
Look i dont want to sound bad or mean but sometimes i will like to have like some type of dedicated channels for newbies and for not so newbies
inland wolf
even more often: never done any kind of programming in their lives, want to prog...
ikr
wise schooner
Look i dont want to sound bad or mean but sometimes i will like to have like som...
and... do you think making a game is for newbies?
they will just enter the not-so-newbies channel to do their games lol
keen wigeon
I feel like there is a diference between learning python for the first time and upgrading your python knowledge
wise schooner
inb4 i wanna do machine learning to start with python.
keen wigeon
I know a lot about pygame and i will like to ask some serious questions about game dev but when i get to the game dev channel it always seems to be full of newbies asking their stuff. And feels like the channel revolves around begginer learning
gritty zinc
*inb4 i wanna do machine learning to start with python.*
that one can be pretty reasonable, for a newcomer to programming from a math background
though math background probably helps a lot in programming in general
wise schooner
that one can be pretty reasonable, for a newcomer to programming from a math bac...
really?
gritty zinc
I'd say so, machine learning is a very mathy area
it's pretty weird in general for someone to get a math education without ever have done programming, though
wise schooner
i never tried machine learning myself... what topics do you need from maths?
i dunno linalg 
wise schooner
lol
gritty zinc
this xkcd is basically literally true
wise schooner
damn
i gotta read up on them soon...
they are taught in uni, right?
we just have basic matrices, determinants and vectors in our current syllabus :(
gritty zinc
yeah, it's taught in uni
for just understanding forward and backpropagation, though, you just need to know how matrices multiply
and be able to calculate derivatives, for backpropagation
wise schooner
well... i know derivatives and how matrices multiply
gritty zinc
then you basically can pass https://www.coursera.org/learn/machine-learning
really liked this course, as does everyone, apparently
it's not in Python, though.
but it's mostly concepts and math, so...
inland wolf
4 million students
wise schooner
yeah, any language works lol
gritty zinc
yeah, it's a super popular intro course
inland wolf
4.9 rating DAMN
last mantle
we just have basic matrices, determinants and vectors in our current syllabus \:...
which grade are you 🤔
wise schooner
which grade are you 🤔
12th
wise schooner
yeah lol
last mantle
C++ or python?
last mantle
but you said the other day that you dont have data structs in syllabus 😔
inland wolf
(nor python but who cares)
lo
wise schooner
but you said the other day that you dont have data structs in syllabus 😔
yeah, i don't
last mantle
what
latent scaffold
It's always either Python or Java
last mantle
how
wise schooner
stacks and queues are not counted lol
wise schooner
those are like... the extreme basics
last mantle
ye
latent scaffold
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main(void) {
const char *s = "Hello, world!\n";
char c[strlen(s)];
strcpy(c, s);
printf("%s", c);
return 0;
}
Oh wow, I'm so clever
inland wolf
no
gritty zinc
wow, you need to declare a no-argument function as (void) in C? that's wild
latent scaffold
It's not necessary, but there is a difference between doing so and not
acoustic moss
i don't think it's necessary
graceful basin
int fun() {}
int main(void) {
fun(1, 3, 4, 5);
}
```is valid C
fresh basalt
@latent scaffold If you're going to write C you should get into the habit of using strncpy instead of strcpy.
graceful basin
when using a VLA, it is fine to use strcpy, but yeah, ncpy is better in the general case
inland wolf
whats the difference
latent scaffold
I'm confused
graceful basin
all strings must end in 0
graceful basin
yeah, \0 is the char, 0 is the int
inland wolf
right
graceful basin
(well, '\0' is also an int, but shhhh)
latent scaffold
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main(void) {
const char *s = "Hello, world!\n";
char c[strlen(s) + 1];
strcpy(c, s);
c[-1] = '\x00';
printf("%s", c);
return 0;
}
Can't you just do this?
graceful basin
strcpy will put the null there. So that is fine
but strncpy is more safe, since you actually have to think about how much space is in the destination
latent scaffold
oh. strncpy wouldn't
graceful basin
strncpy also would. All the string function keep that correctly
fresh basalt
sorry I'm not awake yet I meant to suggest strlcpy or strlcat
latent scaffold
strncpy also would. All the string function keep that correctly
No null-character is implicitly appended at the end of destination if source is longer than num.
those are less shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-y
graceful basin
sorry I'm not awake yet I meant to suggest `strlcpy` or `strlcat`
those aren't C
they are posix
graceful basin
```
No null-character is implicitly appended at the end of destination if source...
well, if you don't have enough space, strcpy will just be a bug instead, so pick the lesser evil IG
fresh basalt
the point is you're going to overwrite your buffer or someone else is
latent scaffold
lol I'm so confused
graceful basin
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main(void) {
const char *s = "Hello, world!\n";
int x = '3';
int l = 1;
char c[l];
int y = '3';
strcpy(c, s);
printf("%s %s %c %c", c, s, x, y);
return 0;
}
```I wonder VLAs get compiled such that this worksoh yes. int x = '3'
graceful basin
'3' is an int
graceful basin
it's only a char in c++
fresh basalt
aleph one's seminal "smashing the stack for fun and profit" touches on str[n]cpy
we've come a long way since then but it's good to read at least for historical purposes
graceful basin
fun fact, if you don't use a VLA to allocate the buffer and just use a normal compile time array, the y will get overriden with the 0 it can't put into the char[14]
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main(void) {
const char *s = "Hello, world!\n";
int l = 1;
int x = 1;
char c[14];
int y = 1;
strcpy(c, s);
printf("%s %s %d %d", c, s, x, y);
return 0;
}
I love C
I appreciate this environment. Thanks guysandgalsandnonbinarypals.
I think I like this Discord server for the most part.
latent scaffold
My brain hurts
fresh basalt
lol that means it's working
latent scaffold
not for long
fresh basalt
What's meant to imply?
wise schooner
What's <:pithink:652247559909277706> meant to imply?
you could have just used everyone/their names lol
fresh basalt
I don't know the names of everybody.
wise schooner
discord names
fresh basalt
That's a lot to name and I don't think I can name all of the people who have made me feel welcome so far.
But what does mean?
wise schooner
latent scaffold
I've come across illegal C
wise schooner
an objectively better version of 🤔
fresh basalt
I've come across unethical C.
wise schooner
umm, no, i was talking abt lol
fresh basalt
@wise schooner Thank you.
graceful basin
C is in this weird dychotomy where it is somewhat high level, but still exposes low level details more most high level languages
fresh basalt
C gives you freedom to do what you want, even if that is to metaphorically run through a plate glass window.
wise schooner
which language doesn't allow you that?
graceful basin
python
I can't get a buffer overflow with python (unless you start calling into C)
fresh basalt
A lot of modern languages are designed with safety in mind.
latent scaffold
#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
int main(void) {
char *c = "С";
for (int i = 0; i < strlen(c); i++) {
printf("%i", (int) c[i]);
}
}
Why's this gotta print -48-95 D:
This С is illegal
fresh basalt
What do you mean illegal?
latent scaffold
I understand now
wise schooner
there's legal C too?
latent scaffold
С
vs C
Why on Earth do we need multiple Cs
I replace the С with C and it prints 67
gritty zinc
!charinfo СC
royal lakeBOT
graceful basin
C doesn't like string literals with non ASCII characters
gritty zinc
congrats, you met our russian С
gritty zinc
heh, that'd be a nice name for a C successor. С.
fresh basalt
vodka
latent scaffold
lol
graceful basin
unicode has duplicate characters in order to make sure that the russian alphabet is contiguous in codepoints and on a single codepage
gritty zinc
what makes a C Russian
bonus: on the russian keyboard, it's on the same button as C.
latent scaffold
Y'all out here programming in C. I program in С
fresh basalt
Unicode is like a dark and scary forest.
gritty zinc
so I have many times forgotten to switch the language and injected a cyrillic С into my unsuspecting code 😩
latent scaffold
How messy
fresh basalt
Welcome to i18n
graceful basin
Unicode has so many pitfalls
.lower in turkish does something different from .lower everywhere else
latent scaffold
Gotta feel bad for the people who can't install Python because they've got an illegal С in their Windows username
graceful basin
python handles unicode really well
fresh basalt
yes
graceful basin
it has issues with unix filepaths, which aren't valid unicode though
latent scaffold
Does it? I always see people who can't install Python because they've got funky Windows usernames
graceful basin
really? That seems like an odd issue
gritty zinc
I have a folder D:\PROGRAM_FILES in addition to my D:\Program Files. One guess what it's for.
latent scaffold
funky as in... symbols from their language
fresh basalt
@gritty zinc Program files?
latent scaffold
lol
fresh basalt
:D
inland wolf
ha
graceful basin
fascinating, that seems like a pretty severe flaw that really should've been fixed a while back
gritty zinc
<@!266216750876459008> Program files?
Program files for programs that can't handle spaces in paths 😩
inland wolf
lol
fresh basalt
What is this, DOS?
gritty zinc
you fucking wish
acoustic moss
C > С
change my mind
graceful basin
didn't have that issue yet
fresh basalt
We're not a very advanced species, give us a break.
graceful basin
but I also use 0 of those programs
latent scaffold
fascinating, that seems like a pretty severe flaw that really should've been fix...
Not sure how common it is, but I remember I was helping someone from another server and had to get them to install into a folder that wasn't going through their user path
fresh basalt
hey, strawberry
wise schooner
C > С
change my mind
no, С > C
fresh basalt
strawberry is great
acoustic moss
@wise schooner i disagree
inland wolf
ok
gritty zinc
!e
print(sorted(["C","С"]))
@gritty zinc :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
['C', 'С']
lol
acoustic moss
told you so
wise schooner
<@!612527741501177857> i disagree
this С is better than this C because it's much better to look at
latent scaffold
What've I started lol
acoustic moss
i still don't C your point
wise schooner
<@266216750876459008> :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return...
ikr
even python agrees
graceful basin
!e
C = 'C'
С = 'C'
print(sorted([С, C]))
@graceful basin :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
['C', 'C']
lol
wise schooner
yes
latent scaffold
I can't tell if that's cheating
fresh basalt
what even is cheating?
wise schooner
that's the wrong C smh
acoustic moss
evil
graceful basin
fun fact: python normalizes that, so you can do that in a python program and it should mostly just work
inland wolf
are there people who do this?
gritty zinc
hmmmm
graceful basin
are there people who do this?
probably people learning python in their native language
inland wolf
yea
gritty zinc
is there a table mapping ascii chars to similar-looking unicode chars anywhere?
wise schooner
if can't be in their native language, right? 👀
graceful basin
no, but it helps to have variables at least
inland wolf
yea
latent scaffold
programming itself is probably foreign to even native English speakers
fresh basalt
Someone's probably written something like that to convert text to leetspeak or whatever @gritty zinc
gritty zinc
the problem is the translation table
could use OCR to autogenerate it, lmao
...but I can't use tesseract
fresh basalt
I've seen all types of code filters.
wise schooner
i have never seen one
fresh basalt
That's cool.
latent scaffold
sounds about right
fresh basalt
Have fun.
acoustic moss
softly don't
fresh basalt
I'm not surprised in the slightest that you found that on their site.
Hah, apparently for the low, low price of $100 you too can adopt a unicode character.
fresh basalt
There are lots of languages.