ot1-perplexing-regexing

[inland wolf]

lol

[carmine niche]

i think you got the wrong idea from that

[wise schooner]

lol

[carmine niche]

my point is that some of these mfs be thinking that because they watched 5 prageru videos on capitalism they know more about it than the man that dedicated his life to studying it

[upper sand]

👀 😂

[carmine niche]

and the level of pure arrogance that goes into that is just

astounding to me

and also funny as fuck

because some of them really have no clue what they're talking about and it shows

[wise schooner]

because they watched 5 prageru videos on capitalism
mfw I don't know what is prageru...

[carmine niche]

clearly i know what it is thought? because i just referenced it?

i am confused

[wise schooner]

mb

*i

[carmine niche]

lol

OH

oh

i see

[upper sand]

👀

well strong opinion i see

😂

[carmine niche]

prageru is a far right-wing propaganda machine funded by these two oil billionaire brothers that pump out bafflingly incorrect videos at an astounding rate

to illustrate this point

i will now show some actual infographics

that were shown in prageru videos

[upper sand]

seems like u get offended quite easily...

[carmine niche]

oh i'm not offended

i find prageru quite entertaining

[upper sand]

not that bit

[upper sand]

this one

[drowsy rose]

is there a suggestions channel?

[carmine niche]

i don't see your point

[acoustic moss]

#community-meta

[upper sand]

nvm anyways

[carmine niche]

the premise of that was that it astoundingly arrogant and also the funniest thing i know

[drowsy rose]

i cant argue with you bc i've never been in a capitalist country before

[carmine niche]

[upper sand]

i still dont knwo what made u say that ?

[marble zodiac]

socialism also means that you can never afford what you want

[upper sand]

🧐

[wise schooner]

I can't even interpret those graphs to know what makes it funny lmao

[drowsy rose]

ok nvm then

[marble zodiac]

unless capitalism is mixed in

[carmine niche]

if you knew the context it wouldn't give you any more information than you already have

the videos are pure nonsense

[wise schooner]

ah

don't watch them, then?

[carmine niche]

but they are so funny

there's this one video where they get a girl to talk to you about why you should get married and her literal entire argument boils down to "come on, you know you want to"

"you should get married because if you want to get married then getting married is good"

[marble zodiac]

i am supposed to inherit my uncle's 1956 cessna skyhawk, and without the money, i could never buy fuel for it

[carmine niche]

"dating without intent to get married is bad because it won't end up in a marriage"

"marriage is good because people in happy marriages are happy"

[wise schooner]

lmaoo

[carmine niche]

it is legit just straight up nonsense

[carmine niche]

how so? /gen

[upper sand]

its arguable i reckon

[carmine niche]

mm

before you answer that

it might be helpful if we were to define socialism

[marble zodiac]

pure socialism takes away the fact that you can own something nice

[upper sand]

lol

[wise schooner]

And I don't even think that far. Like... i need to concentrate on my exams first

[carmine niche]

(also side note socialism is not the only form of non-capitalist economy but whatevs)

[carmine niche]

howcome

[upper sand]

in some society it works ..

[marble zodiac]

i'm supposed to be taking my uncle's 1956 cessna skyhawk when he dies, and in a socialist economy, i would never be able to afford the fuel

[floral viper]

If you have read marx you will find that he's got a very concrete definition of socialism. Owning and not sharing is capitalism.

[carmine niche]

indeed

why wouldn't you be able to afford the fuel?

well

"owning and not sharing" isn't

entirely accurate

[floral viper]

And you have concrete examples of what happened when said reasoning was enforced, namely in Cambodia during the Khmer rouge where people that foraged for berries were executed.

[marble zodiac]

because tax money will just make it impossible, it's what i'm worried about and airplane fuel is expensive as hell

[carmine niche]

socialism isn't about taxes

far from it

[marble zodiac]

socialism means taxing the rich and middle class in order to make an equal economy

[carmine niche]

mmm

no

it doesn't

[floral viper]

In classical marxist socialism you would get rid of the rich during a revolution

[upper sand]

well i think its part of it tho

[marble zodiac]

airplane fuel is like 50 dollars a gallon

[carmine niche]

that is the 70+ year old propaganda image of socialism that has been portrayed by conservative media for forever

[floral viper]

then distribute the wealth equally

[carmine niche]

this is true but

socialism is a very broad ideology

marxist socialism is not the only socialism

[floral viper]

Oh btw, I live in Sweden that has generally been portrayed s a communist country by said conservative media

[carmine niche]

and revolution is not the only path to socialism

[marble zodiac]

if i was heavily taxed, i would have no airplane fuel

[floral viper]

I think I got a fairly good grasp on it

[upper sand]

well i still hear about it from socialist ..

[marble zodiac]

my worries is, i will never be able to keep my plane

because i would have no airplane fuel

[floral viper]

On the contrary. Socialism requires revolution. what you are thinking of is social democracy which is what we practice in Sweden

[marble zodiac]

due to it being 50 dollars a gallon

airplane fuel is not cheap at all

[upper sand]

not necessarily ...

[carmine niche]

believe me i am not thinking of social democracy 👀

[floral viper]

Marx said so himself. Capitalist societies will inevitably undergo a revolution by the workers and transition to a socialist society during aperiod of dictatorship

What made marx's entire theory flawed is that he believed the revolutions would happen in industrialized countries. Whilst in practice they happened in piss poor rural countries

[marble zodiac]

the reason why i dislike socialism is because it reminds me i can't have something nice, like a well done house that is made with high quality materials

[wise schooner]

imagine knowing what Marx said

[floral viper]

Well yeah you can just read his book...

[upper sand]

dont think thats how socialism works ...

but well

[marble zodiac]

socialism means super high taxes on the middle class and rich

[wise schooner]

imagine reading anything which is not a fantasy/scifi novel/school book

[marble zodiac]

i don't care for the rich

[carmine niche]

the point of socialism is that it doesn't make sense that some people (the proletariat) have to make all of their money through their own labor, and other people (the bourgeoisie) make all of their money simply by virtue of owning companies where they get to tell the proletariat what to do. the idea of socialism is to remove the bourgeoisie as a social class, creating a system where, somehow, the proletariat is in charge of itself. this can take many forms. it might take the form of all business being government-operated, and the government being democratically controlled. it might take the form of co-ops, where businesses are collectively owned and operated by their own employees. there are many forms of socialism, the only unifying factor between them is that there is nobody in a socialist society who makes money by virtue of owning something. money is earned through labor.

[marble zodiac]

but i do care for the middle class not being able to afford

what they wish

california middle classmen can't afford anything

they are moving out

[carmine niche]

i suggest you read that paragraph before continuing to rebuke what you think is socialism pwq

[marble zodiac]

due to how expensive california is

[last mantle]

qwq

[carmine niche]

anyway

can i friend you? i wanna continue this conversation later but i desperately need to sleep

[floral viper]

Who? me?

[carmine niche]

i was referring to ms michiko but you as well if you want lmao

heyyyy

[marble zodiac]

i think capitalism should go completely tbh,

[carmine niche]

my japanese teacher's name is michiko

[floral viper]

Nah I'm good, just wasn't very clear who you meant

[carmine niche]

ah

[marble zodiac]

ok.

[inland wolf]

lets just

free mony

ez classp

[carmine niche]

mm

you'll have to friend me i think

ok

[marble zodiac]

my bad if i disabled friend requests

[carmine niche]

it is ok

people have valid reasons for doing so, it is not my place to pass judgement :)

night

[scarlet wind]

Bruh just to compile this my fan went brrrrrrr

import java.util.Date;

public class App {
    public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
        System.out.println("Hello, World!");
        Date now = new Date();
        System.out.println(now);
    }
}

[acoustic moss]

what

[scarlet wind]

that's how you know your laptop is trash

[shrewd prawn]

bruh really

[scarlet wind]

It took 2s to compile but my fan went brr

[carmine niche]

you know

the more i lok at java code

the more i, as a C# elite (/j/lh), appreciate var /gen

look*

[inland wolf]

theres no var?

[acoustic moss]

there is var in java

[inland wolf]

bruh

lol

[carmine niche]

there is????

why don't people use it??????????

[acoustic moss]

in java 14+ i think

[inland wolf]

lol

[acoustic moss]

or maybe 11

[inland wolf]

dont ppl use java 8

[acoustic moss]

idk

[carmine niche]

that's wack

[inland wolf]

why java 8

and not

14

?

[acoustic moss]

idk

[inland wolf]

hm

[acoustic moss]

var was introduced in java 10 apparently

[shrewd prawn]

ye i think java 8 is more common

but ive never used var in java

[acoustic moss]

same

[inland wolf]

same

ive never used java actually

thats java?

i see

[acoustic moss]

List<? extends Serializable & Comparable<..>> list = List.of(1, 2.0, "3");

vs

var list = List.of(1, 2.0, "3");

[shrewd prawn]

lol yeah, imagine doing that for multiple vars

[scarlet wind]

wtf is 1st one

[acoustic moss]

idk

i just copy pasted it

[shrewd prawn]

im pretty sure bc List is an abstract class, so u gotta do a lamda thingy

[wise schooner]

it's in java 10+

and actually used a hell lot in modern java codes

it's just not used in outdated java (which most of the tutorials refer to)

[inland wolf]

charles livin life

[wise schooner]

fp with java 👀

[inland wolf]

Ok

[last mantle]

da baby

[topaz aurora]

Pattern matching combined with sum/product types is a good way to model control flow

I guess the major benefits being:

1. Illegal states are impossible to represent, reducing the amount of arbitrary cases you have to deal with
2. Enforcing purity by not allowing incomplete pattern matches helps quite a lot during development

[quartz heron]

cause it is most stable java version

[inland wolf]

i see

[twin charm]

how did I get pinged in #announcements

I dont see any "@everyon" in there

[edgy crest]

!subscribe in #bot-commands

[twin charm]

oho yea

#ot1-perplexing-regexing "attepmt"

[edgy crest]

should be intentional

[inland wolf]

he never attempted 😔

[harsh tundra]

*attepmted

[sour forge]

I thought rust was faster than python??? Now I am confused

[graceful basin]

did you enable optimalizations, and also show code

[sour forge]

here are the files https://github.com/IgnisDa/learning/tree/main/rust/exercises/src

fibonacci.py and fibonacci.rs

[graceful basin]

ITERATIONS in unused in the python one

[sour forge]

Ah yes thanks. This makes me happy

interestingly the array method (dynamic) in rust is slower. Any reasons for this?

[gritty zinc]

is that with --release or not?

(or with optimizations, if you're using rustc instead of cargo build)

[sour forge]

im doing rustc src/fibonacci.rs -o personal/fibonacci and then ./personal/fibonacci

[sour forge]

how do i do optimizations?

[gritty zinc]

-opt-level=3

[sour forge]

ahh got it, nvm

wtf

it became too fast

it says 0 micro seconds lol

[gritty zinc]

now that seems right 🙂

make it print float microseconds to some decimal places

[sour forge]

changed it to nano

woah rust is awesome

[wise schooner]

could you try with pypy once with 20 as the input? just interested...

[sour forge]

whats pypy?

[wise schooner]

oh

nvm then

https://www.pypy.org/

[sour forge]

nah tell me

[wise schooner]

also fairly sure rust optimizes your recursion method

maybe even to an algorithmic level

[sour forge]

give me 5 min i will setup pypy and get back to you

[wise schooner]

nah, not worth it just for benchmarking lol

also it's on python 3.7 afaik

[sour forge]

yeah i want to benchmark it too

[wise schooner]

i love pypy's logo lol

[sour forge]

@wise schooner heres what i got

[edgy crest]

rust ftw

[wise schooner]

holy

that's slower than cpython?

rip ig

[graceful basin]

this is way too fast for pypi to make a difference

[sour forge]

its not slower @wise schooner

[edgy crest]

ye

[wise schooner]

yeah, just got it

recursion is slower :sadge:

AOT ftw ig

[sour forge]

vector method in rust is slower than python for large numbers

[wise schooner]

https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Munchausen_numbers this code makes the biggest difference for me while using pypy

like it really shines here

approaches the speed of C when used with 50m instead of 5k

[rough sapphire]

when is st. patrick's day?

[frozen coral]

17th March

[inland wolf]

ight

[low chasm]

Guys, I have a final syntax for my programming language, how is it? https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ujoloxavux.py

[last mantle]

very similar to py ngl

[atomic horizon]

Similar to Go Ill say

i think all the programming syntax are being used up.

instead of using func() as function, you can do sub() no one has done tht before

[low chasm]

Yeah, it is

I want it to be easy to learn

[low chasm]

Have any languages done something like this? obj Test: --initialize func init(self): ... The above would be like this in python ```py
class Test:
def init(self):
...

[tardy rain]

Personally dont like the returns in the match case

[low chasm]

You don't have to call the function init either, it can be anything, the thing above it has to say initialize though

[tardy rain]

Its like js with break

[low chasm]

You want the returns to be outside the match case?

[tardy rain]

It doesnt make sense to me ngl

[low chasm]

Hm, alright

[tardy rain]

No i'd rather the match behaves like an elif, it matches one case, does the thing and then exits

I shouldnt have to worry about any more matches

[acoustic moss]

fall through go brrr

[tardy rain]

Just a personal gripe

[atomic horizon]

the obj part is new

[atomic horizon]

the two dashes(---) to call the constructor is also unique .

[low chasm]

Oh yeah sorry im back, something came up

[low chasm]

So maybe something like ```
match thing:
case:
...
case2:
...
return

[low chasm]

Mhm

[tardy rain]

Whats the point of the return in the match?

Its just so it can exit after the case is run right?

[low chasm]

In that case, the match was inside a function

[tardy rain]

Oh ok

[low chasm]

Outside of a function the match will end when the block is finished executing

[tardy rain]

Yea thats how i prefer it tbh

[atomic horizon]

is the match switch case?

[low chasm]

Yeah basically

[tardy rain]

Implicit breaks or returns

[atomic horizon]

You should call it the AboLang

[low chasm]

Lol

I'll look for names in a thesaurus

[gritty zinc]

It's cooler than switch-case

[low chasm]

I like how rust does match

[atomic horizon]

they look similar to python though

[tardy rain]

Yes

I was trynna think of a lang that does match like that

Its rust

[low chasm]

Yeah, I don't want the syntax to be too verbose, I want it to be simple

[atomic horizon]

compiled or interpreted?

[low chasm]

Interpreted

I'll do it in rust, so hopefully it has some speed

[atomic horizon]

what language are you going to use to implement this?

ah

[low chasm]

Rust

I need to get good at rust first though, so I'll do a few projects, I have until august anyways

[acoustic moss]

what happens in august 😅

[low chasm]

the replit programming jam

[atomic horizon]

My Bday

probs

[low chasm]

Lol

[gritty zinc]

At the very least, it allows matching on variants of an Enum and simultaneously unpack them:

match result {
    Some(a) => println!("{}",a),
    None => {}
}

And, cooler, it is smart enough to do stuff like match on two elements simultaneously:

match (a,b) {
    (Some(a), Some(b)) => println!("{}, {}",a,b),
    (Some(a), None) => println!("{}, none",a),
    // 2 more cases
}

[low chasm]

Mhm

[atomic horizon]

oh yeah i forgot about that. Im participating too

[low chasm]

I'll do something like ```py
match element:
case1, case2:
...
case3:
...
case4, case5:
...

[low chasm]

Cool :D

[atomic horizon]

match seems like the right term. Like if it matches something, then do the case

[low chasm]

Yeah

[atomic horizon]

if it "switches" doesnt give the right feeling

[wise schooner]

I would love to see this language ngl

[low chasm]

Lol

[wise schooner]

it's going to be compiled to rust?

or interpreted?

[low chasm]

No, its interpreted

I'm using rust to make it

[wise schooner]

ah

[atomic horizon]

I met another person who made a language called Gorilla programming language

written in Go though

[low chasm]

I want to compile it to bytecode and interpret it from there, it'll be sort of like how python and java do it

[wise schooner]

go rilla lol

[wise schooner]

you are going to implement a JIT too?

[atomic horizon]

Java is mix of both, but its classified as a compiled lang

[wise schooner]

java actually has time to do optimizations beforehand

[gritty zinc]

Found an actual example of what I mean from my code: I really enjoyed writing a function to merge two sorted lists (Leetcode88) like this:

pub fn merge(nums1: &mut Vec<i32>, m: i32, nums2: &mut Vec<i32>, _n: i32) {
        nums1.resize(m as usize, 0);
        let mut it1 = nums1.iter().peekable();
        let mut it2 = nums2.iter().peekable();
        let mut fin: Vec<i32> = Vec::new();
        loop {
            match (it1.peek(), it2.peek()) {
                (Some(a), Some(b)) => match a.cmp(&b) {
                    Ordering::Greater => {
                        fin.push(*it2.next().unwrap());
                    }
                    _ => {
                        fin.push(*it1.next().unwrap());
                    }
                },
                (Some(_a), None) => {
                    fin.push(*it1.next().unwrap());
                }
                (None, Some(_b)) => {
                    fin.push(*it2.next().unwrap());
                }
                (None, None) => break,
            }
        }
        nums1.clear();
        nums1.extend(fin);
    }

[atomic horizon]

woah

[low chasm]

Hm, I'm not sur eyet

[low chasm]

Ooh cool

[atomic horizon]

Jordan Walke is gonna be one of the jufges at the jam

He didnt really make a programming language, but being the creator of react i think that counts

[gritty zinc]

although a purer example would be this recursive function for merging two sorted linked lists (leetcode21)

    pub fn merge_two_lists(
        l1: Option<Box<ListNode>>,
        l2: Option<Box<ListNode>>,
    ) -> Option<Box<ListNode>> {
        match (l1, l2) {
            (None, None) => None,
            (None, Some(b)) => Some(b),
            (Some(a), None) => Some(a),
            (Some(mut a), Some(mut b)) => match a.val.cmp(&b.val) {
                Ordering::Greater => {
                    b.next = Solution::merge_two_lists(Some(a), b.next);
                    Some(b)
                }
                _ => {
                    a.next = Solution::merge_two_lists(a.next, Some(b));
                    Some(a)
                }
            },
        }
    }

[low chasm]

Yeah

[low chasm]

Cool, thats quite a bit more advanced than what I can do in rust lol

[atomic horizon]

what programming language is this?

[gritty zinc]

Rust

[atomic horizon]

ok

you mean when expressions

[low chasm]

Lol

[atomic horizon]

kotlin is cool

[low chasm]

Yes

[atomic horizon]

always has been. But lets see when switch cases sprawn up in python 3.10

Yesterday i accidentally deleted 3.8 when i want to delete 3.7

[low chasm]

Lol

[atomic horizon]

ended up deleting my entire OS 💩

i needed 3.7 for kivy, but since kivy has updated and i can use 3.9. I needed 3.7 Gone

[inland wolf]

same

what was that package that lets u manage multiple python versions?

[atomic horizon]

pipenv

[strange musk]

they don't really have any reasons to change support for some specific version 🤷

[inland wolf]

right

[last mantle]

wrong

[inland wolf]

ok

[sterile sapphire]

<@&267629731250176001> crossposting is getting annoying

[frozen oak]

ah,,, sorry

[remote socket]

@frozen oak please don't post your help channel in other channels

Spamming in general is not acceptable

[frozen oak]

aright, aright got it, please dont ban me

[remote socket]

When receiving help, you need to be patient. We're all volunteers.

[frozen oak]

yes i know < 3

[winter terrace]

why did the help channels get renamed?

[sterile sapphire]

Bc the mods were hungry

[vapid nymph]

Yeah

I uh

Don't exactly like them being food

Ffs

👀

@clear plume has their own channel now ffs

#help-chili

[eager cliff]

🤨

[vapid nymph]

Anyways

I'll be in #☕help-coffee

Aight, why are there so many c named foods.

[eager cliff]

i see they stopped naming them after elements..

[vapid nymph]

Hm

@frozen coral

[strange musk]

much better this way

[vapid nymph]

#help-pizza

Ffs

[frozen coral]

Heh

Gottem

[eager cliff]

@frozen coral

[frozen coral]

@eager cliff

[vapid nymph]

@frozen coral you made me make a comment in #community-meta

[eager cliff]

[vapid nymph]

:hrmk:

[atomic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/python-powered-logo-programming-language-gif-16957606

[vapid nymph]

Mmm, I love some driver that doesn't properly restart after sleep

[reef geyser]

put the driver to sleep then

Wait... the murder kind of sleep or the end task kind of sleep?

[tardy rain]

Both

[scenic blaze]

I have to work this weekend and I don't want to 😦

[floral viper]

Oof

Weekend work sucks (in most cases)

[scenic blaze]

It's for an important project that caught everyone off guard, but still, ugh

[floral viper]

That's usually the case

that or there is an urgent fire somewhere

[scenic blaze]

Yeah

[floral viper]

will you get double pay?

[scenic blaze]

My boss looked guilty af when he asked me to

Haha nope

The joy of being salaried

[floral viper]

seriously?

wth xD

Even when I was salaried if I had been ordered overtime I would get double sallary

[scenic blaze]

Oh, nice!

Well, technically my boss did say I just had to have it done Monday by noon, but....

Waking up super early on monday to hammer it out doesn't sound fun either

[floral viper]

In my experience if there is no chance you can make it during friday that implies weekend work

[scenic blaze]

Fair, and yeah

I would have had to work pretty late into the evening on Friday

[floral viper]

and the unions would crucify the boss if he ordered overtime without sallary compensation

late night work included

I think work after 8pm is considered overtime work as well, so same rules as weekend work

[scenic blaze]

huh, interesting.

I had no idea

[floral viper]

Of course it varies between country

It is the case here in sweden for most companies outside startups and game dev

anyone not offering said privileges would either have to pay a huge amount in sallary, or offer other very good compensations to get any kind of response to their job ads

[scenic blaze]

Ah. US here. Haven't heard of that but to be honest I haven't been working a salaried position very long

[floral viper]

You got much higher base wage in the US I think, so it could make up for some of it

There are a few companies here that go that route as well. Higher base wage but fewer privileges (like no overtime compensation).

[scenic blaze]

Whcih makes sense I suppose

[calm dawn]

nothing quite like writing a language interpreter in python...

so that you can make your logic simulator (also written in python) usable

[vapid nymph]

👀

[eager cliff]

like, a programming language? or like, literal language interpretation?

[high haven]

question

what is .NET used for

[young shoal]

@honest star pays taxes lmao

[honest star]

like a cool kid

[last mantle]

Ehh

[acoustic moss]

absolute heresy

[proper anvil]

I wonder how you guys use big O notation and what for

[acoustic moss]

big O tells you how much more time/memory your algorithm will take if the input size becomes very large

if input is doubled does the time taken double? does it increase 4x? does it remain constant and not change at all? etc

[proper anvil]

I see but when does programmers actually use it

[edgy crest]

to check for how much time a program takes, since big O gives the number of operations

an algorithm takes more specificially

[proper anvil]

Ah so...
Algorithms + big O = results
And that results will improve learning what to improve in the code

I'm currently studying data structure and algo any tips?

[topaz aurora]

!otn a cool-kids-pay-taxes

[royal lake]

:ok_hand: Added cool-kids-pay-taxes to the names list.

[sterile sapphire]

As nedbat said

Big O is how code slows as data grows

He has a whole article about it

it’s pretty good

[proper anvil]

That's the problem idk how to implement

[sterile sapphire]

What data structures

are you trying to implement

[proper anvil]

All or atleast most

Stacks, linked list...

[sterile sapphire]

start w linked lists

[young shoal]

that's what learning is for!

[proper anvil]

Any projects ideas on so I can apply

[edgy crest]

esoteric language interpreters

[young shoal]

there aren't many real world applications for implementations of data structures

[proper anvil]

[edgy crest]

most of them are based on stacks

[proper anvil]

The thing I can think about stacks is the ctrl z

[edgy crest]

or BFS algo, which implements a queue

[proper anvil]

[edgy crest]

yeah

[young shoal]

linked lists are 👎

[sterile sapphire]

Or start with linked lists

[young shoal]

nah

[sterile sapphire]

Enter linked list hell

[young shoal]

linked lists are the most useless datastructure for most people

[proper anvil]

[sterile sapphire]

I agree

[young shoal]

compared to queues or stacks? linked lists are useless

[sterile sapphire]

still gotta know them for interviews

[young shoal]

not really ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic moss]

the fuck

[young shoal]

lmfao

[sterile sapphire]

What are you gonna do if they ask you and you don’t know them

[young shoal]

cry

then realize that a company that asks you about linked lists is probably not worth it

or is a big company that can afford to filter that way

[sterile sapphire]

well you do know them you’ve helped me learn them so you’re probably fine

I’m doing stacks tomorrow

Don’t they teach you linked lists and array lists in AP CS A?

[young shoal]

i would start with actually important language concepts ¯_(ツ)_/¯

arraylists yes, linked lists no

[sterile sapphire]

linked lists aren’t very scary when you realize the only attributes you’re really going to use is .next and .data for singly linked lists

[acoustic moss]

well

[sterile sapphire]

and it’s mostly just reassigning pointers

[acoustic moss]

that's the only attributes they have

so

lol

[sterile sapphire]

.prev for doubly limkedmlists

linked lists

I can’t spell on my iPad

[acoustic moss]

limkedmlists

[sterile sapphire]

don’t attack me I’m on my iPad

[acoustic moss]

lol

[topaz aurora]

All you need is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_tree

[sterile sapphire]

Oh lord what is this

[young shoal]

😔

[proper anvil]

So yeh...

[young shoal]

finger tree 👎

[proper anvil]

@sterile sapphire What do you do after you study it?
I mean how do you apply

[topaz aurora]

[sterile sapphire]

leetcode

is a good way to practice ds/algos

algoexpert if you have money to blow

[proper anvil]

I better yeet my code then

[sterile sapphire]

you can ask lots of questions

I bother these people every day

[proper anvil]

I'm an application learner

[sterile sapphire]

I’m joking btw this community likes questions

[proper anvil]

I need to apply the code in a project or smth to learn it

[sterile sapphire]

yes project based learning is the best way

[proper anvil]

Pygame?

Stacks on when push back botton

Queue for the store

[young shoal]

on when what

[proper anvil]

You know when you hit next button on store you get the new stuff/ next page

[young shoal]

a stack would be ok for that, i guess

[proper anvil]

Music players

[winter terrace]

do you put your x or y for loop first when looping through a 2d list?

[acoustic moss]

use itertools.product and do the two at once B)

[vapid nymph]

Hm

[winter terrace]

wow, reading™️

it sure is

[static smelt]

hey all, i found some free comp sci events from the university of illinois at urbana-champaign. just thought i'd share https://sail.cs.illinois.edu/courses/
(this is mod approved btw, so nothing sus 👌 )

[scarlet wind]

Only one math + cs :((

[sturdy nymph]

anyone know a good python tutorial besides automate the boring stuff

[last mantle]

w0t

why does this link not work

[graceful basin]

a byte of python

@sterile sapphire sending links to google with no explanation does break the code of conduct

[sterile sapphire]

that was a book for real python

my bad

learning python *

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Learning_Python/1HxWGezDZcgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover

this book

I'm sorry I didn't give context

it is a step up from automate the boring stuff

[graceful basin]

ah, I see

[sterile sapphire]

I think it's longer

and more verbose

I couldn't really read it cover to cover

that's how most of the O'Reilly books are

[sturdy nymph]

ok ty

[sterile sapphire]

I would encourage you focus more on application

like projects

than just reading books

[sturdy nymph]

thats why i tried doing automate the boring stuff

but it got boring

how do i not get bored

[sterile sapphire]

by doing fun projects

!projects

[royal lake]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[sterile sapphire]

ned bat has some interesting ideas here

[sturdy nymph]

oh ok

[halcyon mantle]

Hi

[scarlet wind]

Hello

[low chasm]

Hey guys, I'm having a problem with my VM, the resolution is stuck at 800 by 600

[clear bramble]

Install virualbox additions if you're using virtualbox

[low chasm]

I'm using vmware player

[graceful basin]

IIRC there is a submenu to set the resolution somewhere

let me see if I can find it

[low chasm]

I've tried setting the resolution manually

[clear bramble]

@low chasm what guest OS is it?

[low chasm]

Manjaro

Pretty sure I might need to install vmware tools, but i don't have a terminal lol

[quick ledge]

did you try setting it in manjaro settings?

[low chasm]

Yes

No difference

[clear bramble]

I was pretty sure you need to install guest additions

https://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_newguest_tools_linux.html

[quick ledge]

did this happen after locking the user or something?

[low chasm]

Im trying but I dont have a terminal

[low chasm]

No

[quick ledge]

why?

[low chasm]

It didn't come with one

[quick ledge]

huh

[low chasm]

I'm trying to install one lol

[quick ledge]

which edition?

[low chasm]

I installed the openbox edition

[scarlet wind]

what is your video memory set to?

[low chasm]

Hold on let me check

8gb

[scarlet wind]

that's prolly more than enough

[low chasm]

Should I change it to 4?

[scarlet wind]

what is the recommended

[low chasm]

8gb

[scarlet wind]

ok so keep it that only

[low chasm]

Alright

Also, how would I get a terminal lol

Im trying to see if I can fix it through there

[scarlet wind]

you don't have Terminal emulator or something like that?

[clear bramble]

maybe ctrl-alt-t?

[low chasm]

No

Well, sort of

[scarlet wind]

try that shortcut

ctrl+alt+t

[low chasm]

Sakura came preinstalled, but it wont work

[clear bramble]

what does it do

[low chasm]

Nothing

[scarlet wind]

oof

can you open any web

[low chasm]

hold on i got a terminal installed

Lol

[scarlet wind]

ok nice

[low chasm]

the gui app installing menu had one

[scarlet wind]

I will go to sleep gn

[low chasm]

GN, cya

[low chasm]

I FIXED IT :D

[daring flicker]

Is there a java channel or discord channel

[clear bramble]

just ask your question here @daring flicker

and no need to ask in every channel.

[daring flicker]

Sorry boss

[clear bramble]

if you don't get an answer in that java-discord i'm sure there's a lot of java programmers who can help you in here in off-topic

[acoustic moss]

Lol

https://discord.gg/SZEdjhpG

[shrewd prawn]

wait, when did the help channels become named after foods XD

[gritty zinc]

#changelog

[shrewd prawn]

ah, cool

[sturdy nymph]

what;s a good library for beginners

to make small projects in

[sturdy nymph]

ew

[sterile sapphire]

pygame is nice

[sturdy nymph]

besides that?

ew

is it simple

is scrapy good

or too hard

[sterile sapphire]

I like bs4

bs4 is nice for scraping

[sturdy nymph]

okk

so what would be perfect

is bs4 ez?

[rough sapphire]

HELP!!!!! My discord isnt working@!!!!!!!!

[rough sapphire]

Can somebody please help with Filezilla

[low chasm]

Lmao

[strange musk]

😁

[strange musk]

that has great potential

[misty hornet]

can someone help me please

all i need i for around 20 - 25 people to fill out a survey

its for my school

[sterile sapphire]

@misty hornet <@&267629731250176001> more advertising

[misty hornet]

o

what

oof

ok my bad

[vapid nymph]

Hi

How are y'all?

[misty hornet]

im good

hbu?

[edgy crest]

lol did hp really write that

[austere crane]

ofc yes

[dark verge]

I feel like I hit a dead end at python

Idk what to study anymore

[vivid path]

What do you know?

[clear bramble]

Well, now you can use Python to incorperate other technologies.

[vivid path]

metaclass madness, matplotlib, numpy, pyqt guis. Probably still way to go in one of these :D They have been really useful for me

[dark verge]

Nothing much interests me

[vivid path]

Gotta give it tame until inspiration hits then

[dark verge]

Maybe python break I guess...

[vivid path]

should keep in touch with python stuff or the inspiration wont hit, looking at random dev stuff or lurking in channels work for that

[tranquil orchid]

I haven't worked on any projects in like two months cause schools just been wild, but lurking around the server whenever I can certainly helps me keep in touch with what's going on and helps me learn

[inland wolf]

relatable

[solid pollen]

I need better kitchen tiles

in the meantime in lemon land

[topaz aurora]

How to cause a burnout in three months or less™

[solid pollen]

Haha

[topaz aurora]

60 days, Christ what was I thinking

[solid pollen]

No tile shall be left empty

[topaz aurora]

I'm taking a week or two off

About damn time

[graceful basin]

huh, surprisingly I do use github every once in a while.

[solid pollen]

Haha

[acoustic moss]

bruh lol

[graceful basin]

most of my projects are in a local repo and just in a random scratch file somehwere

[harsh tundra]

work stuff - local gitlab (local as in on-premises) or bitbucket (cloud, as my mentor said that gitlab seemed to be more not-working than working when I started)
personal stuff - wtf is personal stuff? who has time for that?

I should get into github and opensource but for me such stats are discouraging, I'm too self-conscious :/

[graceful basin]

I should run the bot that draws things on it

[twin charm]

I'm excited

because I'm gonna burn the linuxmint .iso into my usb

cant wait 👋

[quartz heron]

hii ankith

[solid pollen]

Why mint

[quartz heron]

thats what i was asking him

[twin charm]

did you ask me tho?

[twin charm]

many have suggested that its a good one for beginner linux users so 🥴

[quartz heron]

in our server and recomended garuda linux

[solid pollen]

Yes but

[graceful basin]

Mint is quite pleasant overall

[solid pollen]

It doesn’t have any soul

soulless

[twin charm]

you just sent me a yt video of someone talking about why garuda is good. but even you said that you've never used it

sus

[solid pollen]

No personally or anything

[graceful basin]

never got it to break, even when changing out hard drives

[twin charm]

hmm

[quartz heron]

i have used it

[twin charm]

aight thats new

[graceful basin]

garuda seems quite neat, but all I want is arch that isn't a pain to install

but well, it does seem nice for beginners

though I don't see it beating ubuntu/mint in terms of googling how to fix problems

[quartz heron]

garuda is arch based

[graceful basin]

yes, but it isn't arch

[quartz heron]

yep

blackarch is on other level

[graceful basin]

I should probably just install arch normally

its like 3-4 hours tops

[last mantle]

garuda is very easy to install and its my daily driver rn :D

[graceful basin]

yes, but it has a lot of things which I don't really need

[last mantle]

the same installer as manjaro

i see

[quartz heron]

garuda is heavier than normal arch

[last mantle]

yup

[graceful basin]

I don't need a gui drive manager, I can do that myself. I don't want pamac, I don't need curated gaming software

[last mantle]

but hey, it doesnt break like manjaro does

[quartz heron]

we need light os just like vscode

[twin charm]

ok the burning is starting

[quartz heron]

means your pc is heating

[twin charm]

nice joke

[graceful basin]

I tried endeavorOS and it worked quite well all things considered

[solid pollen]

Manjaro doesn’t break often

[last mantle]

ig the curated gaming software is only in the dragonized kde

[graceful basin]

though I had some issues with it as well

[last mantle]

it did with me :(

[solid pollen]

I said often, not ever

[last mantle]

indeed

[solid pollen]

But every time it broke for me that was my fault

Well, half my fault

[graceful basin]

that doesn't absolve it from being a bad thing

[twin charm]

[last mantle]

i installed a theme and the opengl thing broke

[graceful basin]

ooh, that looks pretty

I don't think I ever broke windows

[last mantle]

windows is very stable

[graceful basin]

and I literally changed out the entire partitioning scheme twice

[solid pollen]

You didn’t try hard enough

[graceful basin]

unless you are editing registries you don't understand, you are unlikely to break things

and even then, most registries aren't that big of a deal

[solid pollen]

It comes at a cost, but windows do be stable

even if updates seems to be.. uhh.. untested?

[twin charm]

updates are very large

my father's pc has 1gb+ updates pretty frequently

[graceful basin]

updates are tested

its just insider that is weird

[twin charm]

I wonder if the changes are huge enough for the size to be above 1gb

[solid pollen]

Slow Insider is more stable than release

Like, legit

[acoustic moss]

how the heck is lakmatiol typing in 2 channels at once

[twin charm]

woah

so fast

[clear bramble]

One on phone the other on PC

[acoustic moss]

🥴

[twin charm]

discord lag ig

[graceful basin]

I just type really quickly and sometimes leave a space in the message bar

[twin charm]

hm

[sour forge]

When I do cargo build --release, can i use the binary generated on any machine?

Like suppose I compile on Linux, can i copy it to my windows machine and expect the binary to work?

I've been trying to look it up in the docs but I have no idea what to even look for

Please ping me

[graceful basin]

you need cross compilation

which I would expect rust to have an arg or something in cargo.toml for

[last mantle]

updates will be rolled out differenttly in the future

less chance of bsods

and win 10x looks sweet

[twin charm]

YOO my usb is ready.

[graceful basin]

well, now comes the slightly less easy part

[sour forge]

Could you give me a link to the relevant part of the docs please?

[graceful basin]

https://rust-lang.github.io/rustup/cross-compilation.html

maybe

[twin charm]

how is it less easy... 🥴

[graceful basin]

I don't really use rust

you have to figure out how you want your partitions laid out

[twin charm]

just gotta restart pc but before that put usb inside right

hol-up.

I'm trying to live boot and not install it

[graceful basin]

ah, live boot should be easy then

[twin charm]

ye

lemme read some documentation 👋

[graceful basin]

unless your bios decides to yell at you

[twin charm]

lol

[sour forge]

Which it shouldn't since its Linux mint. It typically doesn't m

[sour forge]

Thanks

[acoustic moss]

@twin charm from personal experience: in case you face a black screen while booting normally, press esc and then boot in compatibility mode

[twin charm]

aha thanks for the info

you just turn off pc -> put usb inside -> open pc again and choose linux mint from the options right

[acoustic moss]

yeah

[twin charm]

wait you need to press a key so that the options show up right? or will it come by default?

ie, if the usb is plugged in

[graceful basin]

depends on your bios settings

[twin charm]

hmmm

aight lemme try it out 👋

[last mantle]

grote hates mint eh?

[stark prawn]

The greatest reboot option people don't know about is reboot into uefi bios options

Not a fan yeah

[last mantle]

that does cost a bit of time, if you want a quick start

[acoustic moss]

i like the way mint looks

[last mantle]

try arch then

[twin charm]

hahahhah I just closed pc -> put the usb in -> pressed the power button and restarted...
but Windows booted in automatically. I didnt get to choose. 🤣 @graceful basin time to goto change settings in bios

[last mantle]

yes

[stark prawn]

Well only use it when you want ofc. The option for those that don't know, it's --firmware-setup

[last mantle]

change the boot order

[twin charm]

I've went to the bios before but should I goto bios with my bootable usb plugged in?

[last mantle]

yeah

[twin charm]

to change the priority

ah ok

[stark prawn]

rEFInd is my favourite boot manager

[last mantle]

bios is part of the mobo

[twin charm]

because the last time I went to the bios I only saw windows

hmm

[stark prawn]

There's also a way to reboot into bios using windows but I don't know that one from my head

[last mantle]

uhhh shift + restart? idk

[twin charm]

hmm. was it like "restart with something something" I dont know the key that will get me into bios. but I knew another method

[stark prawn]

As in an option to the shutdown.exe

[twin charm]

hmm

[last mantle]

just restart your laptop and spam the esc or some button that your laptop manufacturer wants you to spam to get into the uefi bios

[twin charm]

haha

[acoustic moss]

esc/f2/f12

[twin charm]

press all f buttons

[acoustic moss]

either of the three

[last mantle]

depends

[acoustic moss]

normally

[last mantle]

but its usually that yeah

[twin charm]

yea I got it

advanced startup

[stark prawn]

Could be shutdown.exe /fw but can't test atm

[twin charm]

YOO I just changed the boot priority and restarted and then the option to boot from linux mint came. I booted into linux mint successfully 🎉

@acoustic moss thanks for that tip

now I'm back into windows tho

[acoustic moss]

🎉

[twin charm]

but when the booted into linuxmint, I could see everything. the desktop looking nice etc but I couldnt move the mouse tho 😦 . the cursor was stuck 🥴

[acoustic moss]

uh

[twin charm]

cant I use the trackpad? should I plug in another mouse?

[acoustic moss]

i don't think that's good

idk

i am noob

[twin charm]

meh I was able to shut down by pressing the power button and the arrow keys

lemme goto linuxmint's stackexchange or smth 👋

[acoustic moss]

@twin charm you can also ask here, they'd helped me with my installation too:

https://discord.gg/mint

no zap, nice

[inland wolf]

unzapped

[vapid nymph]

Hm

Oof

[acoustic moss]

zapt

[vapid nymph]

Since it didn't resolve

Chocolatemint

[twin charm]

thankyou

[twin charm]

guys I'm using discord via linuxmint rn

[acoustic moss]

nice

[twin charm]

cursor is moving now

I just booted in again. its working all of a sudden

lol

[low chasm]

Cool

Linux is great

[twin charm]

I'm starting to notice that yeah

time to learn how to take screenshot

terminal is really awesome

[low chasm]

Yeah

I started using openbox yesterday

[twin charm]

what is openbox btw?

[low chasm]

It's a wm

So Linux mint comes with cinnamon de

Wm aren't full DE, they're just completely empty

You have to add bars and everything yourself

[quartz heron]

@twin charm did you installed mint

[sturdy nymph]

do you need to know html for web scraping with beautiful soup

[quartz heron]

little bit of but yes

[sturdy nymph]

so then what is a good library for beginners

thats ez

[open sentinel]

Boys can we get a F in the chat.
my gf broke up with me because her mom didn't approve.
:((

[sturdy nymph]

f

[sterile sapphire]

F

[open sentinel]

[sterile sapphire]

it's ok dude

[sturdy nymph]

while gfBreakup == True:
  print("f")

[sterile sapphire]

there are plenty of fish in the sea

can confirm as a fish in the sea

[open sentinel]

but like, we was fine. it was just her mom-

[open sentinel]

:(((

[sturdy nymph]

if worldExistence == True:
  print("Hope")

[open sentinel]

if sad == True:
  pip uninstall("life")

[sterile sapphire]

please

thanks

[open sentinel]

.. 😦

[sterile sapphire]

how old are you?

[sturdy nymph]

also put pip uninstall in terminal 🙂

[open sentinel]

os.system("")

[open sentinel]

14, but like it was just a joke. Sorry that I made jokes to deal with my depression..

[sterile sapphire]

it's ok

lmao 14

you have a long life ahead of you

[sturdy nymph]

why do you have depression

[open sentinel]

to many stuff to list, anyway this is a python server.

[sturdy nymph]

just say one

this is off topic

[open sentinel]

well, family always argue, get screamed at 24/7 every cuss word they can think of-

[sturdy nymph]

oh

dont give a shit about that

[open sentinel]

well I have no bedroom

so i cant get away

[sturdy nymph]

python will help you get away

😎

[open sentinel]

then they want to complain about everything
bills
finicial
and like it stresses me out to the max

[sturdy nymph]

ye bro dont care about it

they complain about it to you?

or do they complain about it to themselves

[open sentinel]

no like to me

[sturdy nymph]

why?

[open sentinel]

and most of the time its if I am going to my weekly doctors appointment

and in a car

[sturdy nymph]

where do you live?

[open sentinel]

america

[sturdy nymph]

country

[open sentinel]

usa

[sturdy nymph]

city?

[open sentinel]

I will say I am in maryland and thats it

[sturdy nymph]

oh ok

maryland nice

[open sentinel]

eh..

[sturdy nymph]

dont you go to school though

[open sentinel]

I did have a therapist for like 3 weeks, then we couldnt afford it so there goes that.

[open sentinel]

nope

[sturdy nymph]

then?

therapist for what?

[open sentinel]

I prefer not to say why I had to be issued a therapist-

[sturdy nymph]

ok

just do python

[open sentinel]

Yeah I do

[sturdy nymph]

so it doesnt make u feel good?

[open sentinel]

I like coding, but its just there.

[sturdy nymph]

oh

[open sentinel]

like its my favorite hobby

but I just dont see anything "fun" really

[sturdy nymph]

oh

[open sentinel]

yeah

thats my opinion

[last mantle]

thats a cute blob tho

[open sentinel]

[tranquil zealot]

and your nickname is a funny joke.

[open sentinel]

heh

[tranquil zealot]

not sarcasm btw

[edgy crest]

[rich moon]

why are we here just to suffer?

[edgy crest]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sterile sapphire]

where else are you gonna do it

Pluto?

Mars?

the moon?

[rough sapphire]

anyone read the hunger games?

[sterile sapphire]

ofc

[low chasm]

Yeah

[sterile sapphire]

it was pretty bad the last book

the first book was good

[low chasm]

I liked the first one a lot

[rough sapphire]

i just finished the second one

[sterile sapphire]

the second one was just the same thing

[rough sapphire]

kinda confusing lol

what happened at the end?

[sterile sapphire]

don't read divergent

whatever you do

[rough sapphire]

did they win? or?

@sterile sapphire

[twin charm]

where is #help-rice smh

[sterile sapphire]

I really don't remember tbh

I think Snow captured Peeta

[rough sapphire]

ok

[sterile sapphire]

the last book makes no sense

like absolutely no sense

[rough sapphire]

why?

[sterile sapphire]

Katniss goes around like a war hero but everything she does doesn't really matter

[rough sapphire]

oh lol

[sterile sapphire]

the first book was the best

Divergent is like a clone of Hunger Games

but instead of Districts it's based on personality

like the dauntless are the people who are brave

it's really stupid

[rough sapphire]

lol

[rough sapphire]

when was it releaes?

[sterile sapphire]

the movie was released in 2014

the first book came out in 2011

[rough sapphire]

ok

does prim survive?