#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 514

solid pollen Jan 15, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Not just 100 vaccinations per days or whatever

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actually, we are aound 20k per day or so, no?

sharp merlin Jan 15, 2021, 3:57 PM

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solid pollen actually, we are aound 20k per day or so, no?

no idea these last few days my sleep schedule's been so fucked i couldn't watch the news

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i just remember the one headline on M6 where they said we had like 300 vaccinations and the other EU had hundreds of thousands

solid pollen Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Oh man, you missed Castex saying to Blanquere that he can literally “go now” haha

sharp merlin Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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lmao

solid pollen Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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That was pretty awesome

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

Tenor

sharp merlin Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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i can guess that

sharp merlin Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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twin charm https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-pou...

?

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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you guys are getting vaccinations?

sharp merlin Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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oh

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well not really

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 3:58 PM

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sharp merlin ?

change caption.

sharp merlin Jan 15, 2021, 3:59 PM

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yea

inland wolf Jan 15, 2021, 3:59 PM

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twin charm *you guys are getting vaccinations?*

its there in india too innit?

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 3:59 PM

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inland wolf its there in india too innit?

yup. but large population

inland wolf Jan 15, 2021, 3:59 PM

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i remember my dad saying there was some vaccine called covishield

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true

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 4:00 PM

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inland wolf i remember my dad saying there was some vaccine called covishield

yes

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"vaccination dry-run" was conducted a week ago

inland wolf Jan 15, 2021, 4:00 PM

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I see

ruby fox Jan 15, 2021, 4:01 PM

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my brudas , didn't you get vaccinated?

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 4:01 PM

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now i think health workers are being vaccinated

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but its like 100 doses per state or something iirc

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on the first day

solid pollen Jan 15, 2021, 4:01 PM

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We are.. uuhhh.. missing some critial organisation, let’s say

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 4:01 PM

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ruby fox my brudas , didn't you get vaccinated?

not yet.

ruby fox Jan 15, 2021, 4:01 PM

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WHO

twin charm Jan 15, 2021, 4:01 PM

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lol

ruby fox Jan 15, 2021, 4:02 PM

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twin charm lol

aah, you got it

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Does anyone know how you go about the equivalent of git rm <file> in PyCharm's git integration? Once you add something to the repo, there is no way to get it off as far as i can tell.

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assume a commit has already been made adding the file.

round rose Jan 15, 2021, 5:59 PM

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you can delete the file, which will also remove it from git

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you can also manually do git rm file in the terminal

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 6:33 PM

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I used git bash while on Windows for a while, but its such a pain that for as good as it is at many bash things, its not a proper terminal. Ive come to realize that visual VSC is better for me overall. .Its not that I dont understand how to do the commands, its that I dont actively use it manually often enough even though i try to make myself do it.

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But with a huge panel in front of you that has it all in your editor, its much more difficult to neglect. So I like it.

winter terrace Jan 15, 2021, 7:38 PM

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so ive made a rainbow helix

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i've made it rain at your cursor

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what js toy should i make next?

acoustic moss Jan 15, 2021, 7:39 PM

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fractals

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but not mandelbrot

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that one's ugly

winter terrace Jan 15, 2021, 7:40 PM

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aight

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which one should i do

acoustic moss Jan 15, 2021, 7:42 PM

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the triangle in triangle maybe

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idk it's name

winter terrace Jan 15, 2021, 7:42 PM

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the serpinski triangle?

acoustic moss Jan 15, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Sierpiński triangle

winter terrace Jan 15, 2021, 7:42 PM

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could be interesting

acoustic moss Jan 15, 2021, 7:42 PM

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ye

kindred sorrel Jan 15, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Mandelbrot is prettyyy

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How dare you

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Especially if you turn it sideways, so to speak

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:00 PM

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how do I get rid of the margin at the top of the page?

📎 unknown.png

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.page-header {
    position: absolute;
    text-align: right;
    vertical-align: top;
    padding-right: 5%;
    padding-left: 0%;
    padding-bottom: 6%;
    padding-top: 0%;
    width: 100%;

    color: rgb(38, 0, 255);
    background-color: #000000;
    font-size: 50pt;
}```

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I've been trying to mess around with it but nothing's working

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 9:09 PM

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the best tip I can give you with css is to learn to use these tools. Css is a "cascade" of many different selectors that have cumulative effects not necessarily expected if you dont look closely

📎 unknown.png

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:11 PM

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I've been looking at that off and on but it's not helping

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I've got a border, margin and padding of 0

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 9:12 PM

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I could maybe look at it but it would only be realistic to do so if you make a fiddle. Thats the trick to get most people to look at your frontend issues..

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Too many uncontrollable factors otherwise

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:13 PM

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what's a fiddle?

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the only thing I've got in the css is what I sent tho

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 9:14 PM

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https://jsfiddle.net/ -- its a standard for demonstrating frontend environments

JSFiddle - Code Playground

Test your JavaScript, CSS, HTML or CoffeeScript online with JSFiddle code editor.

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I see.

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There are also browser css rules if you didnt know that

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no imports of anything?

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:16 PM

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nope

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:16 PM

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stark oasis There are also browser css rules if you didnt know that

I didn't know that im like an hour into this whole thing lmao

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https://jsfiddle.net/6jnyw0bx/

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 9:19 PM

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https://jsfiddle.net/vLcwgzdu/1/ -- look what happened when i cut out the bootstrap imports. It cut out a lot of it, but possibly not to the effect you want. You want black all the way to the top?

Numpy's fiddle ;) - JSFiddle - Code Playground

Test your JavaScript, CSS, HTML or CoffeeScript online with JSFiddle code editor.

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cutting out the bootstrap is just to demonstrate that it effects things

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a lot of times the best thing to do wiht bootstrap is literally open up the file and find the classes that are used aand the properties in them

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:20 PM

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ya I'm probably going to replace it with an image but I want it all the way up

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should I be using bootstrap?

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I thought those imports were necessary

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 9:25 PM

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i mean, you will want to learn to work with it because it makes simple designs easier, but... if you're working from the bottom, it definitely throws a curveball in how css works.

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📎 unknown.png

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See, I found what class that is causing that.

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https://github.com/jsfiddle/jsfiddle-issues/issues/1208

GitHub

Display issues in Firefox · Issue #1208 · jsfiddle/jsfiddle-issues

The code seems to sneak up underneath the panel headers. It doesn't matter which configuration the panels are in. I'm running Firefox 59.0.1 on macOS.

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:29 PM

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I think im going to try to do this without it just to get used to everything first

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📎 unknown.png

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it's still there tho without the classes

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 9:43 PM

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tbh I have no idea lol. Ive been relying on bootstrap classes too long.

look what happens when i try to jumbotron bootstrap class
https://jsfiddle.net/vLcwgzdu/104/

You can find the properties used for that if you grep this for that class.
Ihttp://maxcdn.bootstrapcdn.com/bootstrap/3.2.0/css/bootstrap.css

But to be honest I dont know. I rely on bootstrap too much and only maake edits to it..

Numpy's fiddle ;) - JSFiddle - Code Playground

Test your JavaScript, CSS, HTML or CoffeeScript online with JSFiddle code editor.

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but you also have to remember that second file, bootrap-theme.css cascades over any selectorss defined before that.

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And those effect any that tou define as well

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when using a theme, its best to use their docs to see how to use it best

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

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ugh I didn't think this would be this complicated 😄

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is there a way to make page-header a child of the jumbotron class?

stark oasis Jan 15, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Its really best to not use bootstrap classes for overly creative use cases imo, not without considering the side effects that will have. Thosse classses were designed specifically for an exact use case. Its best to just learn the bootstrap classes. But dont do that without looking at them the properties they use, otherwise you wont be able to edit them very well, and you'll be reliant on it like I am I guess lol.

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CSS does have irritating things that you have to hack around somehow.

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Thats why boostrap is so popular

versed saffron Jan 15, 2021, 9:58 PM

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how do I change the bg colour then?

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I thought i'd have to create another one and inherent from jumbotron

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 1:01 AM

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omg

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 2:03 AM

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@versed saffron the best way to do colors of your own with bootstrap is to over write the ones defined in the root selector in the bootstrap file.

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then look how they are called with like color: var(--color-red);

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I would recommend literally just having a go through the bootstrap documentation and learning to implement it rather than modify it.

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When you understand that, if you are truly a designer, it will come to you

versed saffron Jan 16, 2021, 2:48 AM

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stark oasis When you understand that, if you are truly a designer, it will come to you

welll shitttt guess who's not a designer ✋

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I'll have a look at it tho thanks for all the help

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Same dude. I try to design things and it starts off well until one thing breaks another thing infinitely..

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That is why there is no shame in being a master of implementation instead.

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Design is a job all on its sown

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 3:48 AM

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bro how did stelercus become python?? :0

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Does anyone know if there is a text editor with syntax highlighting/linting for Kivy kv files?

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Pychaarm doesnt seem to have it

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 3:50 AM

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theres probably an extension on vscode

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idk tho

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 3:51 AM

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yeah, there is a lot more third party stuff there i think

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just surprising charm doesnt have it

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 4:03 AM

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inland wolf bro how did stelercus become python?? :0

I was reading the Zen of Python and meditating, and then I became one with Python.

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Is beautiful better than ugly?

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 4:04 AM

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oh wow

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thats epic

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what was the pep that brought that zen of python poem?

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 4:04 AM

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20 i think

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yep it's 20

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 4:05 AM

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!pep 2p

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 4:05 AM

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Bad argument

Converting to "int" failed for parameter "pep_number".

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Command Help

!pep <pep_number>
Can also use: get_pep, p

Fetches information about a PEP and sends it to the channel.

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 4:05 AM

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damn

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 4:05 AM

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!pep 20

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 4:05 AM

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**PEP 20 - The Zen of Python**

Link

Status

Active

Created

19-Aug-2004

Type

Informational

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 4:05 AM

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"informational"

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lol

severe blaze Jan 16, 2021, 4:06 AM

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newb question, what is pep

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 4:06 AM

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acoustic moss Is beautiful better than ugly?

Yes. And explicit is better than implicit.

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Except with respect to typing. I guess.

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 4:06 AM

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severe blaze newb question, what is pep

a python enhancement proposal. In the olden days, people would propose changes to the language and Guido alone would accept or reject them.

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Now there's a five-member council that does that.

severe blaze Jan 16, 2021, 4:07 AM

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interesting.. just clicked the link and saw it. Thx for the info

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 4:07 AM

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frozen crane Except with respect to typing. I guess.

||type-hinting is feeling sad||

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 4:07 AM

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I find that explicit typing is good for any time you dont want to confuse yourself. But if you're not confused, then its not to big of a problem..

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But it helps if you are.

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 4:08 AM

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I use type hints for function signatures on any user-facing code.

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 4:08 AM

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yeah, I think thats good practice.

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I mean....

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 4:08 AM

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but it's nice that they're optional when I'm writing a throw-away script

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Not so much if its a glorified shell script

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But I get what you mean

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Its a good thing for big prograams

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I will bang my head against wall and then remember to put type hints and it will all come together

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Python wouldnt be as useful as an alternative to heavily logical shell script if it had to be designed like a large applications..

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But if you're doing that, you should approach it like its a large app

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I always think Im going to enjoy making a game until I realize that 90% of the time I dont know where the numbers are coming from..
It feels like people just do pos_x *= parent.height + 4 / 28 etc etc

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I can follow code, but when they just start pulling out the equations I dont follow as much. I need to learns maffs

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 4:14 AM

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stark oasis I always think Im going to enjoy making a game until I realize that 90% of the t...

they're called magic numbers I think

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 4:15 AM

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If i could take a class on math that is used in graphical programs, I would. Its my biggest weaknesss.

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 4:22 AM

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stark oasis If i could take a class on math that is used in graphical programs, I would. Its...

did you have a goal that depends on having that knowledge?

stark oasis Jan 16, 2021, 4:27 AM

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No, not really.... but its something I wish I was good at and understood kind of recreaationally. I have watched people do GLSL shaders and I think theyre really cool. And

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python.arcade is kinda fun, but i dont have a serious idea and commitment to make a game

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        # bounce off top and bottom
        if (self.ball.y < 0) or (self.ball.top > self.height):
            self.ball.velocity_y *= -1

        # bounce off left and right
        if (self.ball.x < 0) or (self.ball.right > self.width):
            self.ball.velocity_x *= -1

Example..... why do they get multiplied by -1? What causes that to make them change direction

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https://kivy.org/doc/stable/tutorials/pong.html

ruby fox Jan 16, 2021, 4:33 AM

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@stark oasis this code is for making object bounce back at edges

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 4:35 AM

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self.ball.y < 0 -> Ball touching bottom surface -> collision -> reverse velocity so it starts going up -> to reverse velocity keeping its magnitude same multiply by -1

ruby fox Jan 16, 2021, 4:35 AM

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@stark oasis for physics based games, you must know some physics

ruby fox Jan 16, 2021, 4:36 AM

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ruby fox <@306443333088313345> for physics based games, you must know some physics

for example, for a cannon ball, projectile motion is used

kindred sorrel Jan 16, 2021, 9:00 AM

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If you're not doing the physics yourself, just basic vector math takes you pretty far

twin charm Jan 16, 2021, 9:23 AM

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ello

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Stelercus you are not mentioned in any pep sad :((

simple sand Jan 16, 2021, 11:16 AM

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HIs name holds deeper meaning than any human can comprehend so its no wonder we can't find it

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 11:16 AM

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bigbrain

honest pawn Jan 16, 2021, 1:49 PM

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📎 unknown.gif

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 2:32 PM

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scarlet wind Stelercus you are not mentioned in any pep sad :((

I am every pep!

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I guess.

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Can you be Python and PEPs at the same time?

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 2:33 PM

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solid pollen Can you be Python and PEPs at the same time?

idk

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 2:33 PM

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name every pep then

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 2:34 PM

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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 2:34 PM

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and it never ends?

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 2:34 PM

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frozen crane I *am* every pep!

I AM the senate vibes

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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I think it's in the 600s currently, and then there are a few non-contiguous ones numbered in the thousands. Not sure why.

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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there better be a pep 69

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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It isn’t contiguos for sure

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!pep 69

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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PEP not found

PEP 69 does not exist.

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Hahaha

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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😢

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this is so sad guys

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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!pep 420

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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**PEP 420 - Implicit Namespace Packages**

Link

Status

Final

Python-Version

3.3

Created

19-Apr-2012

Type

Standards Track

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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My favorite number is 404 Python 2 not found

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!pep 404

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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oh at least that is there

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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**PEP 404 - Python 2.8 Un-release Schedule**

Link

Status

Final

Python-Version

2.8

Created

2011-11-09

Type

Informational

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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lol

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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python1

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where is it

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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ubdeployment

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un*

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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frozen crane 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...

Also you forgot pep 0 smh

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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!pep 0

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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**PEP 0 - Index of Python Enhancement Proposals (PEPs)**

Status

Active

Created

13-Jul-2000

Type

Informational

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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ah

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cool

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Akarys pep0

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smh

honest pawn Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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How many pepes are are there

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Pepes?

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Probably a lot

honest pawn Jan 16, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Pep

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PEP __

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(pepes, PEP, same thing)

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:37 PM

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I guess you could count them, but I’d say a lot

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:37 PM

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!pepe 0

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:37 PM

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PEP 8 is the official style guide for Python. It includes comprehensive guidelines for code formatting, variable naming, and making your code easy to read. Professional Python developers are usually required to follow the guidelines, and will often use code-linters like flake8 to verify that the code they're writing complies with the style guide.

You can find the PEP 8 document here.

honest pawn Jan 16, 2021, 2:37 PM

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!pep 9999

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:37 PM

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PEP not found

PEP 9999 does not exist.

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:38 PM

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WAIT WHAT

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!pepe 23

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bruh

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 2:38 PM

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#bot-commands or I will never add you in a pep

honest pawn Jan 16, 2021, 2:38 PM

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!pepe pig

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:39 PM

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It is matching the tag pep8

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 2:39 PM

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pepe 0 is pep 8 nice

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:39 PM

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And it is on cooldown right now

scarlet wind Jan 16, 2021, 2:39 PM

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why bold IS gurkan_sentimental

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Because you can’t put actual caps in channel names

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:40 PM

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yes

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same for that one with Skype

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:41 PM

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!otn s stelercus-IS-python

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Query results

• stelercus-𝖨𝖲-python

solid pollen Jan 16, 2021, 2:41 PM

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!charinfo 𝖨𝖲 IS

royal lakeBOT Jan 16, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Character Info

\U0001d5a8: MATHEMATICAL SANS-SERIF CAPITAL I - 𝖨
\U0001d5b2: MATHEMATICAL SANS-SERIF CAPITAL S - 𝖲
\u0020 : SPACE -
\u0049 : LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I - I
\u0053 : LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S - S

Full Raw Text

\U0001d5a8\U0001d5b2\u0020\u0049\u0053

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 2:44 PM

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interesting

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:00 PM

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@bleak lintel in reference to #community-meta message ,you got any pre generated graphs on/for me?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:03 PM

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yeah i'm just building something now

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Cool

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:07 PM

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@clear plume

📎 Screenshot_2021-01-16_at_15.07.00.png

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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gmt?

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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bleak lintel <@!280457250613493762>

Is this like on a daily average or something?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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per hour

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all time

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so just what hours of the day do you send your messages

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sum, not average

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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acoustic moss gmt?

yeah

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Ahh, got it

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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do you just up and die at 10am

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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16 hours

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Notice how I don't have one message at 5 am lol

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:09 PM

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lol

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:09 PM

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But also, I have > 7k messages, so I think the graph is off or something

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:09 PM

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hmmm

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2.2k since august

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no

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2.02k

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so that looks right

simple sand Jan 16, 2021, 3:10 PM

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You guys send every message to the db?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:10 PM

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yes

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but not contents

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Let me hop on my pc in a few and check this out, because I swear to god I had more then 7k sent messages yesterday

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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clear plume Let me hop on my pc in a few and check this out, because I swear to god I had mo...

you have 2.02k since august 25th, when we started tracking

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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it only logs since metricity started to exist

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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that's from discord search

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Ahh

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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all time you have 7.2k

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Since it started tracking

supple obsidian Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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geez how about me?

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Makes more sense lol

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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simple sand You guys send every message to the db?

so. even if it saves, and you delete a message. does the message delete in the db also

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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No

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It's still a number

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

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clear plume Makes more sense lol

📎 Screenshot_2021-01-16_at_15.11.36.png

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messages don't get deleted, no, they just get flipped into a deleted mode

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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bleak lintel messages don't get deleted, no, they just get flipped into a deleted mode

they just dont appear....

tranquil orchid Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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graphs lemon_hyperpleased

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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📎 Screenshot_2021-01-16_at_15.12.15.png

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that is what the messages table looks like

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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bleak lintel

omg. privacy threat

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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lol

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Not capitalizing false smh

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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tell postgres

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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this is a nice feature for mods

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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bleak lintel

what is this app that you are using

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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redash

simple sand Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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Wait wow

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you guys store every message

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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bleak lintel redash

ooh

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can i also see deleted messages of my server?

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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@bleak lintel can make graph for me 👉👈

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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^

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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simple sand you guys store every message

it's not that big

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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lone cradle can i also see deleted messages of my server?

No, only this server

tranquil orchid Jan 16, 2021, 3:13 PM

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When you take into account that the message content isn't stored, it isn't much data yeah

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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how much mb is the whole db of all messages even sent here

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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ints are smol

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Mega smool

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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lmol

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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clear plume No, only this server

but i can do something so it works in my server r8

simple sand Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Oh wait if the message content isn't stored then what is?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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acoustic moss <@!165023948638126080> can make graph for me 👉👈

📎 Screenshot_2021-01-16_at_15.14.20.png

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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or do you have them as strings

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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graceful basin or do you have them as strings

sadly strings rn

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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well, still not too large

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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lone cradle but i can do something so it works in my server r8

It only keeps track of messages in this server

quick ledge Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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simple sand Oh wait if the message content isn't stored then what is?

only the ids

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:14 PM

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to do compat with frontend JS

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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bleak lintel

thanks ig
why am I always active

quick ledge Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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bleak lintel

and some other details which you can see in this

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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simple sand Oh wait if the message content isn't stored then what is?

look here #ot1-perplexing-regexing message

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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clear plume It only keeps track of messages in this server

but... i can create a bot that saves all messages in a file right?

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Ofc

tranquil orchid Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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yes but say goodbye to your storage

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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^

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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tranquil orchid yes but say goodbye to your storage

haha

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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yes, but then you have to have a privacy policy that states you do this and process deletion requests and other such silly stuff

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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🇫

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:15 PM

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well

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yeah

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that

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privacy

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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depends on weather your server has less people ||in my case 0||

simple sand Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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⭕ 😮

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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I wonder if I have the query that tells me db size

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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graceful basin yes, but then you have to have a privacy policy that states you do this and proc...

"silly stuff"
hmmMM

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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where is the db even saved

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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lone cradle where is the db even saved

on our host

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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in joe's pc?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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well

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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bleak lintel on our host

oo

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:16 PM

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external volume

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no, it's a production kubernetes cluster

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:17 PM

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silly stuff is programmer speak for "this is a lot more complex and I don't understand it enough to actually give a more detailed explanation"

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:17 PM

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📎 Screenshot_2021-01-16_at_15.17.08.png

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:17 PM

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heh

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:17 PM

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bleak lintel

ooh

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:17 PM

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smol

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:17 PM

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it is somewhat scary just how big a GB is

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:17 PM

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hahahahaa

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storage is cheap

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:18 PM

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not at my place lol

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:18 PM

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That's running on digitalocean right?

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:18 PM

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linode

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afaik

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 3:18 PM

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How much is a TB in freedom currency?

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:18 PM

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freedom currency?

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what

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:18 PM

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probably like 10-15$

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:18 PM

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usd

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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10$ for a GB?

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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TB

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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err, TB

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Tb

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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clear plume That's running on digitalocean right?

linode

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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maybe less when you buy in bulk

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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that seems cheap

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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storage is cheap

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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yea

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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i think we pay

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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What kind of storage? Is that a one off $10 or cloud?

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Yeah, I'm surprised. That seems cheap

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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$1 per month for 10GB

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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wow

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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ok, that makes sense, monthly

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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and we provision like... 8 or so volumes?

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10GB is the minimum we provision

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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bleak lintel linode

Huh, I remember the discord getting sponsored by digital ocean, so I would assume y'all use them lol

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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largest is like 20MB

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:19 PM

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I bought a $90 1TB NVME and htought I got a solid deal

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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clear plume Huh, I remember the discord getting sponsored by digital ocean, so I would assum...

they sponsor our events, linode sponsor our hosting

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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SSDs are much more expensive

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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bleak lintel they sponsor our events, linode sponsor our hosting

Ahh, got it

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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I was talking cheap HDDs you buy in bulk

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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storage is cheap. but hardware cost...

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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though even then it seems more like 20-30$/TB

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Would you rather buy cyberpunk or an ssd

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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graceful basin though even then it seems more like 20-30$/TB

That's what I was thinking

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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clear plume Would you rather buy cyberpunk or an ssd

ssd

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:20 PM

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$10 seemed too good to be true

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:21 PM

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hmmmmmmmm

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 3:21 PM

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I imagine that with scale you can get there, but we generally aren't buying in that kid of scale

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:21 PM

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maybe i should cluster some of our tables

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:21 PM

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yeah, 15-20 seems to be low bound

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you can probably get 10 with tapes

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:21 PM

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bleak lintel maybe i should cluster some of our tables

More graphs lemon_swag

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:21 PM

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yes pls #joe

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:22 PM

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lol

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clustering is not graphs

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it's an efficiency technique which involves shifting data around the table

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:22 PM

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yea, but send more graphs

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:22 PM

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oh shit

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it completed

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that was fast

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fucking hell

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217MB down to 94MB

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:22 PM

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when a complicated process finishes in less time , you know you f'ed up

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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do I dare cluster messages..........

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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bleak lintel do I dare cluster messages..........

Probably not

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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lol

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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how to change username colour

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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i'm going to do it

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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become mod

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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acoustic moss become mod

only moderator can have colours other than white?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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so let's take note: messages is currently 1246MB

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:23 PM

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ok

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:24 PM

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lone cradle only moderator can have colours other than white?

and helpers, admins, other staff

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:24 PM

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here we go

📎 Screenshot_2021-01-16_at_15.24.10.png

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:24 PM

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And boosters

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And partners

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:24 PM

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acoustic moss and helpers, admins, other staff

can you have any colour you want if you are one of these

acoustic moss Jan 16, 2021, 3:24 PM

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no

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:25 PM

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colour is based on role....

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oh

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:25 PM

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ohhhh cluster claims ACCESS EXCLUSIVE

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lol

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forgot about that

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:25 PM

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lol

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:25 PM

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that might muck things up a tad

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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hah

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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oh no

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it completed!

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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Uhh ohh

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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927MB!

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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now what happened

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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My god

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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bleak lintel 927MB!

got compressed?

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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So do the other 300 just disappear?

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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300?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:26 PM

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nah

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it's not compression

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it's just optimisation

graceful basin Jan 16, 2021, 3:27 PM

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I imagine it more like it just placed the data in a nicer way

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:27 PM

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yeah, exactly

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:27 PM

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arranging in

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:27 PM

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graceful basin I imagine it more like it just placed the data in a nicer way

ooh

clear plume Jan 16, 2021, 3:27 PM

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Ahh

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:27 PM

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like when you are nesting json. instead of creating new dicts for everything

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?

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:27 PM

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When a table is clustered, it is physically reordered based on the index information.

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:28 PM

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index information?

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nice terms

bleak lintel Jan 16, 2021, 3:28 PM

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indexes are the way that you can optimise lookups in an SQL table

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:29 PM

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ohok

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 3:29 PM

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for speeeeed

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:29 PM

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is it similar to this?

for item in list:
    if item == something:

index = list.index(item)

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 3:30 PM

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not really

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:30 PM

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so it doesnt go through all items. but checks

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:30 PM

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inland wolf not really

hmmm

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 3:30 PM

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indexes are faster than that for loop

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im pretty sure its similar to how a dict retrieves data by key

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:31 PM

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so , if you find the index and then access the item in the list by using index.
is better than iterating all items in the list and checking if it matches? is this what you mean?

lone cradle Jan 16, 2021, 3:31 PM

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inland wolf im pretty sure its similar to how a dict retrieves data by key

oh

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I think I am understanding now

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 5:33 PM

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oh no

📎 unknown.png

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python would like a word

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Link if you want it: https://dev.to/evantypanski/writing-a-simple-programming-language-from-scratch-part-1-54a2

round rose Jan 16, 2021, 5:57 PM

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I mean, if you read further, python also does that

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the interpreter doesn't need the newlines and spaces

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the parses does

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 6:00 PM

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u can write python in one line with ; seperators right?

winter terrace Jan 16, 2021, 6:01 PM

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ye

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dont suggest it though

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 6:02 PM

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yes

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 6:11 PM

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I just feel like randomly sharing my opinion on code style.

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I started in c++ 3 years ago. I was sorta told through a couple books how to do things and I carried it into python and I still use the same styling.

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object Variables which are nouns, peoples places or things- like 'This' or 'LikeThis'
temporary/local variables - 'this' or 'likeThis'
functions - 'like_this()

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The funny thing is, everyone hates it and disagrees with me

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 6:17 PM

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rough sapphire The funny thing is, everyone hates it and disagrees with me

what is it that everyone disagrees with you about? variable naming conventions?

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Yes

quick ledge Jan 16, 2021, 6:18 PM

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rough sapphire object Variables which are nouns, peoples places or things- like 'This' or 'Like...

what's an object variable?

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 6:18 PM

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exactly ^

quick ledge Jan 16, 2021, 6:18 PM

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is it an instance attribute or a class variable kinda thing?

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 6:18 PM

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somewhat

quick ledge Jan 16, 2021, 6:18 PM

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lol, I was asking a this or that question

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 6:19 PM

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In Python, the casing convention is that everything is snake_case, unless it's a class or type alias, in which case it's UpperCamelCased. And if you want to indicate that some other variable shouldn't be changed (like a constant), you would do SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE.

edgy crest Jan 16, 2021, 6:19 PM

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is that this or this that

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 6:20 PM

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That's a pretty widely used convention. As for what types of words you should use to name things, there's more variation there.

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There's no Python convention that the scope of a variable should affect what kind of casing it should have.

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 6:22 PM

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I see.

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@edgy crest is that this or this that? that which is this must be that or else it's this

edgy crest Jan 16, 2021, 6:23 PM

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mrw

inland wolf Jan 16, 2021, 6:35 PM

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that maybe this when that is this but when that is that it is that

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 6:45 PM

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now that is what this i all about, this is always that

winter terrace Jan 16, 2021, 6:57 PM

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im so used to c# that i now write all variables likeThis and functions LikeThis and pycharm keeps screaming at me to not

frozen crane Jan 16, 2021, 7:07 PM

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winter terrace im so used to c# that i now write all variables `likeThis` and functions `LikeTh...

you can turn that off. but Python is not C# py_strong

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also, because of Python's data model, objects that aren't strictly "functions" can support all the same behavior as functions.

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:42 PM

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it's best to stick to the convention to avoid confusing people

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If I see FooBar I'm going to assume it's a class

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If it's actually a function and you do xyz = FooBar("baz") I now assume xyz is an instance of the class, when it may actually just be what the function returned.

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:43 PM

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silk kettle it's best to stick to the convention to avoid confusing people

Yep, it helps with debugging, especially when seeking help from others

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just makes for much more readable code

quasi pike Jan 16, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Could Python or robloxpy be used to execute scripts into roblox games?

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:44 PM

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I write my JS the way JS convention insists, I do my C++ in their way, whatever that is. I generally forget and double check

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I hate snake_case as camelCase is best, but my Python is snake_case

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if I see CapitalCamelCase in Python I know it's a calss

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:45 PM

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I too prefer camelCase, but it falls apart when you get things like APIClass and looks weird

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:45 PM

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CAPS SNAKE_CASE is for non changing variables

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you look at code and it speaks for itself

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:46 PM

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silk kettle I too prefer camelCase, but it falls apart when you get things like APIClass and...

Well, ApplicationProgramInterfaceClass

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Yup, python is supposed to be clear and self-explanitory

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:46 PM

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clearlt supreme

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just gotta *ACRONYMS

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unpack those badboys

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and if it is a just a letter? Spell it out phonetically

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:46 PM

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noo

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:47 PM

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EhPeeEyeClass

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EhPeeAyeClass

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:47 PM

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black will create more monstrosities from hitting the line limit length if every name is obtuse

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Unfortunately I have to use the default line length :(

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|| 120 is much more reasonable imo, we've moved on from 80 char displays ||

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:49 PM

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I mean

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we have, but 120 is still a lot more to digest per line

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and a few chars can do a lot

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so 120 can...

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I like how in JS they encourage doing things like js whateverVariable.firstMethod .then .do .another

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instead of chaining em in line, up to 120 chars?

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madness!

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:51 PM

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I like that JS convention

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:51 PM

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I like readability, and think 80 is plenty to accomplish a lot

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besides, I just run several files side by side on my bigger monitor

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:51 PM

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I'm always on the very edge of the 88 limit that black enforces.

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📎 unknown.png

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The two vertical lines are 88 and 120

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With black it would unfold all of that

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In this case unfolding isn't bad (would probably help because of all the type annots), but for some things it can be annoying

surreal otter Jan 16, 2021, 7:53 PM

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I'm just a beginner yet, maybe in the future I will agree

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 7:55 PM

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everyone has their opinion ¯_(ツ)_/¯

rough sapphire Jan 16, 2021, 8:29 PM

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i have a question

young shoal Jan 16, 2021, 9:37 PM

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@silk kettle you can configure black to not do that

silk kettle Jan 16, 2021, 10:52 PM

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young shoal <@!408008218191855626> you can configure black to not do that

I have for my personal projects.
But when working on stuff that it's not just me making I don't get a choice

young shoal Jan 16, 2021, 10:53 PM

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gotcha

vapid nymph Jan 17, 2021, 1:46 AM

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where's the list of what these names change to lol

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 1:50 AM

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there isn't one, unless you're a mod, I believe

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so basically, it's a surprise!

vapid nymph Jan 17, 2021, 1:51 AM

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ah

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hm?

lone cradle Jan 17, 2021, 6:12 AM

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hello

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#python-discussion message @solid elbow . does the server bot automatically show the off topic channels whenever people talk something that isnt python related in the python-general chat room?

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#python-discussion message

solid elbow Jan 17, 2021, 6:20 AM

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I'm not sure what happened there. My guess is that either someone asked the bot to send that message and then deleted their message, or that an admin or moderator decided to make the bot send that through some superpower they have

lone cradle Jan 17, 2021, 6:21 AM

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it would be cool if the latter was true

stark oasis Jan 17, 2021, 7:34 AM

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callbacks: Sequence[Tuple[Callable[..., None]], Optional[dict]], -- this is ridiculous..
The callbacks are a sequence of functions that return nothing because their effect is side effect on global dict. The callbacks are in tuples where if there is a second item in the Tuple that is not None, then it is aa dict that is passed with the callback to be used in that iteration of function at ... (as **dict), which is used because there is no way to specify kwargs.

Why am i so insane lol.

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Type hints become pretty confusing but also have a way of spelling out the insane thing you are doing well.

quick ledge Jan 17, 2021, 7:53 AM

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yeah, it makes you think about what exactly you are going to pass into the function

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you could do some type aliases if you think that'll make it more readable

stark oasis Jan 17, 2021, 8:10 AM

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lol

📎 unknown.png

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I wrote that mainly to remind myself what im doing tomorrow

clear plume Jan 17, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Lol nice

stark oasis Jan 17, 2021, 8:28 AM

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yeah, typing alias was a good idea. Didnt seem like it until I had to write that a second time

clear plume Jan 17, 2021, 8:30 AM

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I told myself I was gonna go to bed two and a half hours ago

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And I still haven't

lone cradle Jan 17, 2021, 8:57 AM

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stark oasis lol

what is the editor that you are using?

stark oasis Jan 17, 2021, 9:15 AM

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PyCharm.

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:21 AM

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Jetbrains makes the best IDEs

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Like, there's actually no competition

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It's like Adobe for programming

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Except my student license works on jetbrains

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 9:43 AM

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VSCode seems a pretty reasonable competitor to me

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it's not JetBrains

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I must say i is a pity that most of the big IDEs run on Electron

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it makes them so slooow

versed flint Jan 17, 2021, 9:46 AM

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that’s why there is logo_vim (which I should definitly learn)

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 9:46 AM

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I wouldn't classify Vim as an IDE; it's an editor, not an IDE

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Even Emacs isn't really an IDE

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let alone Vim

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I mean, if it comes to that, I can use Sublime Text without issues

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but I was specifically referring to IDEs

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 9:58 AM

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violet roost I must say i is a pity that most of the big IDEs run on Electron

PyCharm runs on electron?

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 9:58 AM

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no, Java

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you're right

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but it's so much bigger and heavier and overstuffed with pointless features that it somehow manages to be even slower

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 9:59 AM

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lol

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ima make one in python later one

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 9:59 AM

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please don't

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that'll probably be as bad as electron

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Python has its places

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:00 AM

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ima do it for fun

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:00 AM

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and fast execution is not one of them

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:00 AM

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ima use pyqt5

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You are saying it will be as slow as vscode?

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:01 AM

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well, if you wanna waste your time on that, your call

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No, no

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far slower

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:01 AM

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violet roost well, if you wanna waste your time on that, your call

It's not wasting it, it's just a fun idea i had

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:01 AM

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violet roost far slower

Wait really?

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:01 AM

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VSCode is written in Electron, but it's heavily optimised by a professional coding team

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You can't hope to even get anywhere near that level of speed for a similar amount of features, certainly not working alone with relatively little experience
so yeah, far slower

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:02 AM

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ik but still what's wrong with trying eh

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:02 AM

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Like I said

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if you wanna, your call

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just feels a bit pointless

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I'd say you're better off choosing a smaller project which you might have a chance at finishing

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but I'm not your boss

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 AM

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violet roost VSCode seems a pretty reasonable competitor to me

I still prefer pycharm for any large project

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 AM

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I see

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I mostly found pycharm distracting

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 AM

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y

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 AM

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because it's stuffed with features

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 AM

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Looks better, it does pythonpath management, highlights errors and code style better, runs tests for me, and a bunch of stuff

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 AM

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everywhere I looked there was a distraction

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I disagree with it looking better

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it looks like a confused jumble

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besides it took 20 seconds to load

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where sublime text took 2

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Tbh the argument of its distracting is not one I've understood

Everything on the screen has a purpose. Better to learn when and where it's used

And it's not a distraction so much as you being distracted by it. Why would some icons around the borders offer significant distraction? If you don't need them, ignore them. Use what you need

Atleast, that's my two cents

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I don't use everything pycharm provides me, but I use enough of it that vscode becomes a hindrance

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:17 AM

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Why would some icons around the borders offer significant distraction?
just some icons wouldn't offer distraction
Text at the bottom, top, sideways, things popping up whenever I press some random key combination, that is distracting
how am I even supposed to read that sideways text

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 AM

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how do you randomly press a key combination lmao

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 AM

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@kindred sorrel have you heard of pylance LOL?

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 AM

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it's quite easy @acoustic moss

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 AM

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pylint gives you literally everything you need

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 AM

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Text is just icons

What pops up anyway? The only stuff I've noticed is loading bars when you run something or the terminal at the bottom? And what's randomly pressing a key combination?

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 AM

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when you try to press one, finger slips, and a slightly different key gets pressed

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and suddenly all sorts of stuff starts loading and your editor almost crashes

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 AM

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not only that lol pycharm takes billions of years indexing files

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 AM

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^

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 AM

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and takes lot lot lot of time to start up

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 AM

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violet roost when you try to press one, finger slips, and a slightly different key gets press...

Literally never happened to me personally

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 AM

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"building skeleton"
2 minutes later
"building skeleton"

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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exactly no key near 1 does anything weird at all

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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quick scroll not only that lol pycharm takes billions of years indexing files

It takes like 2 minutes on startup at worst and then it's just better

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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kindred sorrel I don't use everything pycharm provides me, but I use enough of it that vscode b...

Everything you said could be made availbale in vscode as well

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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2 minutes is absolutely insane

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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violet roost 2 minutes is absolutely insane

exactly

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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for a frickin code editor

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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lol it's a text editor at the end of the day

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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violet roost 2 minutes is absolutely insane

it happens in the background, it's not stopping you from coding

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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you can't wait 2 minutes every time you wanna code

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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simple sand Everything you said could be made availbale in vscode as well

But I need to get all of it from different sources, configure all the settings

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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acoustic moss it happens in the background, it's not stopping you from coding

it is though
because I want to execute stuff etc
I can do all sorts of stuff in those two minutes
all sorts of more useful stuff than wait for my code editor to finally load

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 AM

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No you do not?

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I didn't have to do anything, all I had to do was look for some extensions

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 AM

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Yeah

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You have to get multiple extensions

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 AM

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i wanna write code and i had to wait for like 2 minutes for the pycharm welcome screen to appear lol

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 AM

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And configure them

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 AM

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it's not even close to being as customizable as vscode

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 AM

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you don't have to configure any extensions, you just have to restart it

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 AM

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vs code extensions also take time to load, for the record

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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quick scroll i wanna write code and i had to wait for like 2 minutes for the pycharm welcome ...

I'm using clion, and it loads in like 10s for me, along with all the stuff it does after startup

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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if you are talking about customization and speed, what about vim?

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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someone's going to comment about vim/emacs now, I'm sure of it

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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vim is fast but a pain to use
to the point that for a long time one of the most google stackoverflow questions was "how do I exit vim"

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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btw only pycharm pro used to support python 3.9 for some time lol

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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simple sand you don't have to configure any extensions, you just have to restart it

Extensions have settings. Settings have to be customised to how I want it

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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vscode did literally the day 3.9 released

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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quick scroll btw only pycharm pro used to support python 3.9 for some time lol

Student licence

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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kindred sorrel Extensions have settings. Settings have to be customised to how I want it

No?

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 AM

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simple sand No?

Why not?

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 AM

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extensions do not have settings. the moment you download them and restart your vscode they start working

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 AM

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How do I tell the linter what formatting style I want?

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 AM

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what do you mean?

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 AM

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How do I tell it which errors/warnings to highlight with what severity?

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 AM

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Prettier can format js and html codes for you

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 AM

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simple sand what do you mean?

How do I tell the linter I'm using black or pylint or whatever

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 AM

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why do you need to tell the linter that?

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 AM

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rough sapphire Prettier can format js and html codes for you

We're talking about python for the record

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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simple sand why do you need to tell the linter that?

Because I have a style

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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But how does it affect your coding?

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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kindred sorrel How do I tell it which errors/warnings to highlight with what severity?

U can use pycharm for that. It can sort problems based on severity

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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kindred sorrel We're talking about python for the record

django exists lol

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Because I want my code to be consistently formatted

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Lol

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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rough sapphire U can use pycharm for that. It can sort problems based on severity

error lens is useful too

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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rough sapphire U can use pycharm for that. It can sort problems based on severity

we're literally discussing pycharm versus vscode
hardly a useful comment in this context

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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rough sapphire U can use pycharm for that. It can sort problems based on severity

Read the entire chat please

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Lmaoo

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True

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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@kindred sorrel You'll be able to change their settings in the settings.json

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You'll need to refer to the extensions docs to know what options you have

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Ah yes

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Which is a lot less convenient than pycharm

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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rightt

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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kindred sorrel Because I want my code to be consistently formatted

editor.format_on_type or whatever it's called

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 AM

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quick scroll editor.format_on_type or whatever it's called

Exactly. I don't want to hunt around for this across multiple extensions. Pycharm just works

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 AM

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and lol pycharm makes you install pip packages through the gui which leaves most people without a clue about the existance of pip lol

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 AM

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I use both logo_pycharm logo_vscode

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 AM

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well true, but if you are willing to put in some work then vscode can be as good as pycharm

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 AM

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breh just use butterflies

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 AM

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simple sand well true, but if you are willing to put in some work then vscode can be as good...

better

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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kindred sorrel Exactly. I don't want to hunt around for this across multiple extensions. Pychar...

dude that's a default setting for vscode

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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simple sand well true, but if you are willing to put in some work then vscode can be as good...

I don't want to put in the work when I literally have pycharm that does it all for me

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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you can just set it to true on settings.json

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it's that simple

drifting sage Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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I use logo_vscode

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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The fact that it's a JSON file and not a GUI is annoying for me

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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lol

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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Vs code is the best if u put love and themes on it imo

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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~~I mean you a programmer~~

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~~get used to it,~~

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 AM

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you get a smooth caret animation and smooth scrolling customizability on vscode

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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the fact that some editors use a GUI and not a JSON file is annoying to me

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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Everyone has their personal preference, there's no use arguing over editors, someone is always going to like something different ¯_(ツ)_/¯

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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i hate guis when it comes to coding

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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I'm a programmer and edit text files all day doesn't mean I need to consistently deny myself convenience

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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violet roost the fact that some editors use a GUI and not a JSON file is annoying to me

lol exactly, vscode gives you both so you have a choice

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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but you won't alwasys get a gui

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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I find gui more convenient and easier to edit in some cases

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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I find GUIs particularly inconvenient
specifically because I always work on my keyboard

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:28 AM

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violet roost I find GUIs particularly inconvenient specifically because I always work on my k...

yeah autocompletions are so much better on a json file with a schema

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 AM

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thats one of the reasons i mostly use the terminal

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 AM

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it's one of the reasons I went from MATE to i3

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 AM

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i bet a lotta ppl who use pycharm don't even know what pip is lol

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 AM

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simple sand but you won't alwasys get a gui

I know, and where I don't have one I'll edit the text file. But if I can get a GUI in pycharm and it does everything I want and I don't have to find and load extensions, then I would rather use that

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 AM

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because they install packages using a gui

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 AM

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kindred sorrel I know, and where I don't have one I'll edit the text file. But if I can get a G...

that's why its just prefrence

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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Yeah I know

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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the amount of time it takes to setup pycharm (python interpreter path and shit) is ludicrous

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I LOVE....

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I'm not trying to enforce my choices on anyone

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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THIS WORLD

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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quick scroll + the amount of time it takes to setup pycharm (python interpreter path and shit...

... took me 5 minutes

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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verbose lol

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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quick scroll + the amount of time it takes to setup pycharm (python interpreter path and shit...

And you can use this time too configure the settings in vscode

violet roost Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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sorry, that was a very childish comment of mine

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 AM

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simple sand And you can use this time too configure the settings in vscode

exactly

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 AM

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or you can use that time to get a hot linux config with a twm

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 AM

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violet roost sorry, that was a very childish comment of mine

Lol I couldn't even see it. Is OK

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Eh, everyone loves vsc and I'd rather use pycharm. End of story and I've got work to get back to

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Lol bye

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 AM

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pycharm sounds a bit kiddish ngl

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but meh i ain't gonn pick on names

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 AM

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VSC is good because it's some all-purpose software

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 AM

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kindred sorrel Eh, everyone loves vsc and I'd rather use pycharm. End of story and I've got wor...

It's not that, there are people that would prefer pycharm over vsc but they are not in the chat rn, xd

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 AM

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rough sapphire VSC is good because it's some all-purpose software

and you get syntax highlighting for literally every lang outta the box

quick ledge Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 AM

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kindred sorrel How do I tell the linter what formatting style I want?

ctrl shift P
type "lint"
choose linter

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 AM

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yeah you can choose a crap ton of linters

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pylint, flake8

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billions more

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lol

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 AM

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hm i have only seen 8

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not billions

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Which one doee pycharm use? Because I've used a bunch and none of them felt close

quick ledge Jan 17, 2021, 10:33 AM

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kindred sorrel Which one doee pycharm use? Because I've used a bunch and none of them felt clos...

flake8 probably

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:33 AM

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i think it uses its own

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Me too lol

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:33 AM

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or a stricter flake8

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:33 AM

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yeah it uses its own

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which i must admin is an advantage of a python specific ide

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:34 AM

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Yeah

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PyCharm is Python

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:34 AM

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You mean admit lemon_happy

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:34 AM

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pycharm is python?

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:34 AM

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rough sapphire PyCharm is Python

(What a surprise)

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It's got pu in is name

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Py*

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:34 AM

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Nah, pycharm is charming python

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not python

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:34 AM

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Woooahhh

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 10:35 AM

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SataniaWeird

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:35 AM

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lolll

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:35 AM

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It might be the reason behind the name tho lol

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:36 AM

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really.

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📎 unknown.png

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:36 AM

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I imagine that since PyCharm is focused on Python, they would be able to make it better than general purpose software like VSC, but it's only better in terms of Python

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:36 AM

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noone asked for this lol

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:36 AM

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rough sapphire I imagine that since PyCharm is focused on Python, they would be able to make it...

python extensions + vscode > pycharm

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:36 AM

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^^

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:36 AM

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not necessarily greater

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i would say equal

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:37 AM

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Can't agree, since I don't use PyCharm, I only have used VSC

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I editor say greater

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Would*

quick ledge Jan 17, 2021, 10:37 AM

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quick scroll python extensions + vscode > pycharm

yeah, but you need to install the said extensions

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and i don't think you can still say that

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:38 AM

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ye i wouldn't call it greater either

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 10:38 AM

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PyCharm is paid compared to VSC which is free

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That's another factor

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:40 AM

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Pycharm community is free

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And student licenses rock

simple sand Jan 17, 2021, 10:40 AM

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Not everyone is in a university to get a license

kindred sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:40 AM

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Yeah ik

quick scroll Jan 17, 2021, 10:41 AM

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kindred sorrel Pycharm community is free

i have one lol but i still use vscode tho

inland wolf Jan 17, 2021, 10:46 AM

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same

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except i deleted pycharm

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wait

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no i didnt delete

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hm

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suprising

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 1:13 PM

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Hello

inland wolf Jan 17, 2021, 1:38 PM

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hello

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 1:40 PM

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Hello

edgy crest Jan 17, 2021, 1:53 PM

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hello

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Combo breaker from the combo starter

rough sapphire Jan 17, 2021, 2:35 PM

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to code or not to code

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i busted a vessel in my eye

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from so much coding

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:37 PM

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hi

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@proper pike

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:37 PM

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wassup

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its like after secondary school finishes

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naw only some schools

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:40 PM

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ohh..

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:40 PM

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the school nearest me didnt have unfortunately

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u from the UK right?

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:40 PM

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oh ok

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:41 PM

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oh

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indians in my school are very smart

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we just finished biology

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now moving on to chemistry

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err no but some tamil friends

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i see ur an anime fan

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lol true

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:42 PM

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i see ur an anime fan
@proper pike nope.. 😅 i put it for no reason 😅

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:42 PM

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lol

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yup

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do u mean iteration?

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oh thats A level or further maths

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:44 PM

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oh 😗

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:44 PM

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are u doing gcse or a level

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:44 PM

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are u doing gcse or a level
@proper pike gcse ? 😳

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:44 PM

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😩

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omg

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u must be smart

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how old are u?

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dayyum

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same age bro

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😆

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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u know python?

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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yeah sort of

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i think you contaactanated it

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oops i cant spell it

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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theres a few ways you could go about it

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if you want to be introduced to some new syntax [f"I live in {x}" for x in lis] would be the shortest and easiest

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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nice Jack

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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but assuming you're not aware of list comprehensions, you could pretty much keep everything you have (although be aware you are using some bad practices) and instead of assigning the string to x append it to a list

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Jack should i pick a level computing?

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in the uk

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is it hard?

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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No idea

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I don't live in the UK

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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oh

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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if you want to be introduced to some new syntax [f"I live in {x}" for x in lis] would be the shortest and easiest
@tranquil orchid ok.. i got a list with 4 different elements..

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now how do i make it a single element or string?

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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ah if you want it as a string, either join that list using something like ' '.join(list)

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Or you could modify your previous loop

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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@spring plinth watch this vid it helps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Aym5nJheM

YouTube

Maths Genie

An Introduction to Integration

A Level Maths revision tutorial video.

For the full list of videos and more revision resources visit www.mathsgenie.co.uk.

▶ Play video

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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ah if you want it as a string, either join that list using something like ' '.join(list)
@tranquil orchid ok JACK 🥺

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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oh i thought u needed some help sorry

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do you think you can help me with my homework

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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yeah maybe

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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oh ok

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yeah

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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yeah.. i may help

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its easy

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:54 PM

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📎 unknown.png

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 2:55 PM

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what's your question lel

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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question b)

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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well the period is 2 pi, and coordinate P is three quarters of the way along that

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and the y is visually obvious

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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yeah

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but the x axis

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i cant determine the value

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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well the full period is 2pi

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it's three quarters of 2pi

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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wait where did pi come from lol?

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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😶

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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oh, you're degrees behind

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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it's a sin wave

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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is it not just a normal sin graph?

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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yes it is

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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the full period is 360 deg

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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i thought sin graphs x axis where in degrees no?

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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we use radians

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for things like this

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not degrees

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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oh

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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radians is another way of measuring angles, and often more convenient

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pi often pops up in it

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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mhm

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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2pi radians = 360 degrees

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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yes

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but i thought it was asking co ordinates of the point

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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So the sin wave repeats every 360 degrees, right?

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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yes

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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pi radian = 180° 🥺

i was taught this

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:00 PM

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yaa

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:00 PM

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So one complete wave will cover 360 degrees on the x-axis?

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:00 PM

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yeah

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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The wave ends on the 4th mark of the x-axis, P is at the 3rd mark

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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yes

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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the 4th mark as we found corresponds to 360 deg

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So the 3rd mark is ---

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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270?

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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what is this.. 🥺 i never learnt this..

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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ikr i asked all my friends they didnt know

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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proper pike 270?

🥳

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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ayyy

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thanks man

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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ikr i asked all my friends they didnt know
@proper pike 😂😂

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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looool

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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🤣🤣

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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i even tried that aswell and he said same as you

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Also, sin(270) = -1 is a pretty standard value, so you should keep it in mind

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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@acoustic moss you live in uk?

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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no

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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i even tried that aswell and he said same as you
@proper pike 😂

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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acoustic moss Also, `sin(270) = -1` is a pretty standard value, so you should keep it in mind

will do

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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The conversion from degrees to radians is pretty simple as well, just radians = degrees * pi/180

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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hmm

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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ahh ok

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thanks Jack

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:04 PM

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perhaps

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:04 PM

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hahastinkypoop where u live

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no sorry

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hahastinkypoop not in a bad way sorry

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:04 PM

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proper pike hahastinkypoop where u live

India

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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oh okay no wonder your smart

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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India
@acoustic moss OMGGG

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Thanks for the Help Mate

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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proper pike Thanks for the Help Mate

np

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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oh okay no wonder your smart
@proper pike he might be in college..

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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spring plinth > India <@787351231332483102> OMGGG

what are the odds I live in the same country as 1/6th of the entire world

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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lol

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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spring plinth > oh okay no wonder your smart <@416633954112897036> he might be in college..

nop

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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I would say the majority of people here are highschool/uni/college students

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younger people

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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yessir

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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yeah

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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hm

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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people who care about their future

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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@acoustic moss u are in which class ?

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people who care about their future
@proper pike dont* 😂

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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lol

acoustic moss Jan 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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1 <= x <= 12

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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nice conversation guys

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i got to go

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see ya

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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1 <= x <= 12
@acoustic moss oh !

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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hmm

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it is 2am

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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see ya
@proper pike ok bye

proper pike Jan 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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for me its 3 pm

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i got to do some work

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byee

tranquil orchid Jan 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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and i gotta do some sleep

spring plinth Jan 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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and i gotta do some sleep
@tranquil orchid k .. enjoyy

clear plume Jan 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Y'all in a completely different timezone then me lol

jagged fog Jan 17, 2021, 4:28 PM

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[Question]
I have a bunch of configuration commands for my bot.
Commands like !prefix , !branding , !format , !language etc

I'm thinking to add them to group so it would be like
!configure guild prefix , !configure guild branding ...etc but I'm not sure if that's too long to type. It does make code and help command more organized.
or maybe just drop the guild part and do !configure prefix , !configure branding ...etc

Any tips of how you would preffer it if you had to use it in a bot?

inland wolf Jan 17, 2021, 4:30 PM

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i would call the command !config

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cuz its shorter

jagged fog Jan 17, 2021, 4:31 PM

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ah good idea

inland wolf Jan 17, 2021, 4:31 PM

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and making it a group makes sense to me

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probably better in the long run

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if u add more config stuff it can all be bundled together under that config

jagged fog Jan 17, 2021, 4:32 PM

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ye makes sense peterthink

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thank you Rainbawoopat

inland wolf Jan 17, 2021, 4:53 PM

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👍

graceful basin Jan 17, 2021, 5:13 PM

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@past charm please do not advertise your discord server here.

past charm Jan 17, 2021, 5:14 PM

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that counts as advertising?

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anyway, sorry, I was just trying to help

ruby fox Jan 17, 2021, 6:37 PM

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wassup

crimson sandal Jan 17, 2021, 9:45 PM

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this bot solves quadratic formula equations but numbers that create negative square roots i get a math domain error (because u cant √ negative numbers)

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this is a ss of when the numbers i enter do not create a negative √

round rose Jan 17, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Assuming it's made in python, you would import the square root function from cmath rather than math, which would allow you to work with complex numbers

crimson sandal Jan 17, 2021, 9:46 PM

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i'll try that thanks

round rose Jan 17, 2021, 9:47 PM

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!e py from cmath import sqrt print(sqrt(100)) print(sqrt(-100))

royal lakeBOT Jan 17, 2021, 9:47 PM

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@round rose :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | (10+0j)
002 | 10j

crimson sandal Jan 17, 2021, 9:49 PM

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it kinda worked

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round rose Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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You can reformat it better by using result.real and result.imag to access the real and imaginary parts respectively

crimson sandal Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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but now when i enter numbers that previously gave me simpler answers it gives me a weird output

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round rose Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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It's still the same number, but it's an instance of complex rather than float

crimson sandal Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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is there a way to keep it as a float?

round rose Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Two ways

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You can either just show the real part if the imaginary part is 0 (or awfully close to being 0), or you can check if the discriminant is negative before performing the operation and then deciding which sqrt to use

crimson sandal Jan 17, 2021, 9:52 PM

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alright, thanks for the help

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i chose the simpler route and wrote some explanations instead

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an example of a number with "0j" being added for reference

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would it make sense to people seeing it for the first time?

toxic shore Jan 18, 2021, 4:30 AM

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#ot1-perplexing-regexing

lone cradle Jan 18, 2021, 9:20 AM

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hello everyone

mellow spire Jan 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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35.719s plymouth-quit-wait.service                           
17.819s snapd.service                                        
13.322s dev-sda2.device                                      
12.188s systemd-journal-flush.service                        
10.961s udisks2.service                                      
10.461s containerd.service                                   
10.427s networkd-dispatcher.service   
``` is there a way i can make my system fast

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Startup finished in 39.174s (firmware) + 8.699s (loader) + 21.080s (kernel) + 1min 1.689s (userspace) = 2min 10.643s 
graphical.target reached after 1min 1.497s in userspace

inland wolf Jan 18, 2021, 12:57 PM

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what does it mean when i say The apple is but red

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does it mean The apple is nothing but red

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or The apple is everything but red

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or something else?

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2021, 1:03 PM

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~~I think it's the latter~~

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I imagine it would be very hard

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Imagine a finger that you can't really sense

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That you can't precisely control

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That's a chopstick

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Except that chopsticks are thinner

acoustic moss Jan 18, 2021, 1:09 PM

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inland wolf what does it mean when i say *The apple is but red*

pretty sure it's the former

inland wolf Jan 18, 2021, 1:09 PM

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yea same

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but it sounds right in both ways

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which is why it confused me

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2021, 1:10 PM

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Ah, yeah, it sounds like the former

inland wolf Jan 18, 2021, 1:10 PM

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but when u think about it

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2021, 1:11 PM

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https://english.stackexchange.com/q/44900

English Language & Usage Stack Exchange

What does "but" mean in "Life is but a dream"?

Possible Duplicate:
The construction of “Known but to God”
What does "but" mean in this case and what other uses is this word used in the same context. I'm trying to explain what t...

inland wolf Jan 18, 2021, 1:11 PM

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it sounds like what u think about

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2021, 1:11 PM

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Some alternative

inland wolf Jan 18, 2021, 1:11 PM

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hmm

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that does make sense

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life is but a dream

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another guy said it means merely

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which also makes sense

topaz aurora Jan 18, 2021, 1:37 PM

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I sure love dealing with a configuration language that's both declarative and dynamic

error: infinite recursion encountered, at /home/pure/PureFunctor/Web/purefunctor.me/config.nix:10:11

acoustic moss Jan 18, 2021, 1:38 PM

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||going to pretend like i understand what you're saying||
ikr it's so annoying

stark prawn Jan 18, 2021, 1:40 PM

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infinite recursion in a config file, nice

inland wolf Jan 18, 2021, 1:41 PM

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lol wtf

topaz aurora Jan 18, 2021, 1:41 PM

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I'm using Nix to manage my Haskell project's dependencies and it also basically allows me to override whatever options I want when building those packages

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In my case, my stuff that defines how those packages are overridden is inside of the same "use this configuration as an override" definition

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or in simpler terms, the child refers to the parent, the parent refers to the child, then you have a non-terminating config file

rough sapphire Jan 18, 2021, 2:20 PM

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its pretty hard to #ot1-perplexing-regexing

inland wolf Jan 18, 2021, 2:23 PM

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lol

solid pollen Jan 18, 2021, 2:57 PM

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topaz aurora I sure love dealing with a configuration language that's both declarative _and_ ...

Hahaha