oh
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
but idk what you are doing or what aternos is
last mantle
heh mc serevrs
inland wolf
aternos is just a free minecraft server hosting website
last mantle
yeah
rough sapphire
but you can send auths, you could have a session even if you wanted to log in in one request then hold that cookie for another request
rough sapphire
the only time you 'need' selenium is when you want to physically press that button for full end to end testing, or you are doing something that relies on client sided javascript stuff
inland wolf
thats intersting
livid sandal
scarlet wind
@livid sandal https://realpython.com/pypi-publish-python-package/
That site is a good one
ancient stream
Well I would use a powered usb 3 hub, and just plug in the ac adapter to my power inverter
soft wasp
Cheese
viscid bane
i find this gif funny
edgy crest
tribal aurora
lol
stiff radish
Agree, disagree with this pet-peeve of mine? If code cannot be copy-pasted as-is from one project to another (i.e. it contains project specific "business logic") it does not belong in /utils/, utils.{js|py} etc.
edgy crest
agile solar
😔
mild abyss
<a:PETTHEPAIMON:758891074562555924>
hmmmmmmmm
sand inlet
@tulip chasm ...i just tested, recursive factorial is only about 60% slower than iterative factorial on factorial(100)? 
C:\Users\Aaay>python -m timeit -s "factorial = lambda n: n * factorial(n-1) if n else 1" "factorial(100)"
100000 loops, best of 3: 15.8 usec per loop
C:\Users\Aaay>python -m timeit -s "def factorial(n):" -s " r=1" -s " while n:" -s " r *= n; n -= 1" -s " return r" "factorial(100)"
100000 loops, best of 3: 9.78 usec per loop```
tulip chasm
But with 1000 or 10000
sand inlet
on 1000 or higher the recursive one breaks with a RecursionError
tulip chasm
Mine no
Mine broke with 3000
Seems I confused it with other thing
Oh, that was it, it was with fibo
rough sapphire
Penalty on function calls
teal swift
I need help coding LUA
uneven pine
Agree, disagree with this pet-peeve of mine? *If code cannot be copy-pasted as-i...
Utils is bad making convention anyway
strong forge
Anyone good with chem here
ancient stream
@eternal wing you talked me into it, I got the s20 fe 5g, taking forever to swap stuff
eternal wing
Ohhhhhh niiiiice.you will have to let me know how that is
ancient stream
Well its going so damn slow transferring right now
The cable with a usb-c to A didn't work for my moto g7, so I gotta do it wirelessly
It was still a bit more costly for everything than I wanted, mainly because state taxes was 67 bucks
but so far it seems pretty darn slick, I like it. And the holiday special 100 bucks for it + taxes and activation fee. Not to shabby
But what pisses me off is T-Mobile has this 20 upgrade fee. And I asked the lady why I had to pay it when I am not upgrading from a leased phone, since my moto was unlocked. And I guess its a fee everyone pays, which kinda bugs me since it seems like a gotcha thing
eternal wing
My aviation insurance renewel came in, there is only one problem
eternal wing
cessna 152 and cessna 172 LOL
shame, if I die in an atomic detonation, my family will need to pay for the property damage of when the plane crashes 😦
eternal wing
atomic bomb coverage is 199.99 more
ancient stream
XD
manic bloom
what da fq
people pay 200 to cover atomic bombings?
I mean, if u crash,it's pretty likely that what u are gonna crash into is also broken
eternal wing
lol, im jk. Sadly I would have to find another provider if I wanted "Atomic Device Protection"
ancient stream
So far this phone is pretty good, feels snappy even after app syncing
eternal wing
ohhh niiiice
ancient stream
it only has 6gb ram but that is more than the moto g7
manic bloom
cries in 2g ram
ancient stream
OH I am pissed
eternal wing
good, let the hate run through you
eternal wing
yeah, I only buy unlocked phones tbh
eternal wing
haha
dang it
I still have my s8, except a good chunk of the screen does not work
so it is in a drawer somewhere
ancient stream
Hey are the galaxy watches pretty nice?
eternal wing
my friend had one, it seemed fine.
I dont really do the smart watch thing though
ancient stream
Like my wrists are kinda big and I am worried it wont fit XD
eternal wing
you can get different bands for it. The face itself was pretty big
ancient stream
Hmm, I been wanting one but idk if it is worth it lol
manic bloom
since we are on the topic, anyone know any good wear OS watches that are not expensive
uneven pine
I want a good watch that isn't platform restricted
The samsung watches want you to have a samsung phone. For everything to work right
Apple watch is appl garbage
Fitbits at least as far as I've seen are hella limited
ancient stream
@eternal wing a USB powered hub does work in cars!
I have a hub plugged into the USB port, with my dash cam, flash drive with music and its all plugged into the power inverter at outlet for power lol
Now I just industrial strength velcro and get it all neat and it will be golden
Don't mind the mess, I am cleaning the car too
manic bloom
Imagine having a driver's licence
ancient stream
But it is working so I need to get this all fixed up for delivery and I can rock it
And the album art actually plays
Woot, I am happier than a fat kid in a candy store. (I can say that cause Im fat)
eternal wing
oh wow, I would not have expected the hub to work, neato
ancient stream
It feels kind of overkill to use a USB 3 hub but im not undoing my carefully crafted zip tie work on my monitor mount to swap the hubs around
quick ledge
oh hell yeah!
SML?
edgy crest
hehe, now force fisher to teach you 
mild abyss
so much love
mild abyss
hehe, now force fisher to teach you <:ReimuGrin:772495100840247306>
teach me reactjs?
edgy crest
no guitar
mild abyss
edgy crest
or do you already know how to play?
mild abyss
nah i know how to play already
mild abyss
or do you already know how to play?
want me to teach you?
mild abyss
nah, my guitar strings are rusted
learn rust
edgy crest
lol
mild abyss
edgy crest
@mild abyss did you know that if you put an emoji in your status then leave that server that emoji still stays
like i left the genshin impact server but the paimonnomming emoji is still on my status
eternal wing
everyone must guitar!
mild abyss
i know.
mild abyss
<@!674261595710291980> did you know that if you put an emoji in your status the...
you will have all the emojis of that server
edgy crest
but i dont
inland wolf
lol
mild abyss
but i dont
you actually have
edgy crest
but i left the server
mild abyss
you still have the emojis
mild abyss
no i dont though
sad
edgy crest
ye lul
eternal wing
i have a question
I have answers
simple sand
I have confusions
scarlet wind
I have all 3 lol
mild abyss
so uhm my sister wants to buy a laptop for me in the us
and idk if this is a good laptop
eternal wing
I would personally not buy an hp product
tranquil orchid
CPU and GPU are solid
tranquil orchid
I got a 1660ti for a pc build I'll be doing soon actually
eternal wing
ohhhhhhhhh niiiiice
quick ledge
nice nice nice
eternal wing
I always recommend MSI for high end (what I have)
Or lenovo so something more economical
simple sand
@tranquil orchid make a vid on it, your pc build i meant
tranquil orchid
lol
mild abyss
what do you have? i might buy the same thing @eternal wing
tranquil orchid
I'm no videographer
mild abyss
or use it as reference
eternal wing
I have an older msi ge60 apache whatever, it has an 860m card haha, the newer ones are wayyyyyy undervalued imo
tranquil orchid
Last parts are ready to pick up now actually
So just gotta go get those and I'll have everything I need
eternal wing
Im still waiting for the 3080 to be back in stock
manic bloom
I've got asus, it's done pretty well for me
tranquil orchid
1660s are really cheap in Australia for some reason
eternal wing
asus is pretty good too
tranquil orchid
Like I haven't seen any American prices dip below 320 us dollars for the 1660 ti
eternal wing
I love all my msi hardware
tranquil orchid
And I grabbed one for about 360 Australian
eternal wing
that is awesome haha
ancient stream
I second MSI
Is the 1660ti much better than the super?
Because I'm pretty sure I got my wife a 1660 super
mild abyss
but hp is bloatware
sadsuu
mild abyss
I second MSI
arigathanks for the suggestion
edgy crest
ancient stream
I lied, I got her a 1650 super
ancient stream
The 1660 is faster
mild abyss
Ti? or the super?
tranquil orchid
Yeah 1660ti is a bit faster
mild abyss
Yeah 1660ti is a bit faster
is my laptop spec okay?
the brand is the only thing thats kinda fishy right?
tranquil orchid
The raw specs look good to me but that doesn't necessarily mean it's good
woeful cipher
manjaro...
manic bloom
manjaro
eternal wing
mild abyss
i kinda wonder why there is no Arch Linux server
manic bloom
these are time times I want nitro sooooo much
narrow pecan
@solid pollen eyy, we’re both ot-names the same day
eternal wing
3 staff themed ot names
narrow pecan
Nice
simple sand
I am very confused where i should be logging things, could somone help me
quick ledge
There has been one instance where all the three OT names were based on Hemlock
manic bloom
hhahaha
narrow pecan
That’s funny
eternal wing
hemlock deserves 3 ot names every day
narrow pecan
Well, at least 1.2
simple sand
does anybody know about arduino?
eternal wing
i dabble
gleaming thicket
It's hardware you code??
Does that make any sense
This is the main board
You can connect a bunch of stuff to it
It's usually used in robotics and stuff
So if u like connect a motor to it to u can code it to work however you want
It's pretty cool
I am not very good at explaining so check this out https://www.arduino.cc/en/guide/introduction
simple sand
oh is it like rasberry pi?
simple sand
hmm
simple sand
But raspberry Pi is more like an actual computer
if rasberry pi is the computer then what is arduino?
tranquil orchid
Microcontroller
simple sand
huh
gleaming thicket
Microcontroller
And I was here thinking for a good answer for the past 2 mins
Lol
simple sand
😕
manic bloom
What would be a more worthwhile purchase, Arduino or raspberry pi? (pig when you reply, I'm a head off to sleep)
ping*
tranquil orchid
What would be a more worthwhile purchase, Arduino or raspberry pi? (pig when you...
Depends what you're doing, you can do more stuff with a pi since it's a computer, but an arduino is smaller and faster
You'll probably use python on a pi but on an arduino you'd want to learn C++
Or arduinos version of C++ anyway
solid pollen
<@407110650217627658> eyy, we’re both ot-names the same day
Lmao it is the first time one of my otn is used
tribal aurora
!doc
royal lakeBOT
tribal aurora
how can I visit the site?
I've some questions
related to docs
Do you guys used any doc generator?
mild abyss
i have a question
2600Mhz DDR4 RAM and 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM
the latter will downclock right?
@tribal aurora it is in !source
royal lakeBOT
mild abyss
goodluck exploring
tribal aurora
Thanks
solid pollen
!source d
royal lakeBOT
mild abyss
i have a question
2600Mhz DDR4 RAM and 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM
the latter will downclock right?
mellow spire
that will take ages to understand, i was trying to make one without d.py, and when i looked at that i thought i am doing some hu<ge project, and things i never heard of
tribal aurora
Anyone here used Read the Docs?
mild abyss
oh well no one answered my question
narrow pecan
Lmao it is the first time one of my otn is used
Congrats hahah
inland wolf
thats cool
solid pollen
Because I do use manjaro btw haha
rough sapphire
@marsh hatch
In [11]: import random
...: x = ''.join(random.choice(['a', 'b', 'c']) for i in range(1000))
In [12]: %timeit max(x, key=x.count)
3.33 ms ± 7.33 µs per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100 loops each)
In [13]: %timeit max(x.count(i) for i in x)
3.45 ms ± 54.3 µs per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100 loops each)
Nice, I use Manjaro btw too
marsh hatch
@rough sapphire I'm surprised it's that close tbh
rough sapphire
Why did you expect the gen comp to be quicker?
marsh hatch
I had something similar with getting the len on the lists in a list of lists and the first version was far slower I seem to remember
But I think maybe there was something else about it I've forgotten
>>> setup = """
... import random
... lol = [list(range(random.randint(50,500))) for i in range(100)]
... """
>>> import timeit
>>> timeit.timeit("mx = max([len(x) for x in lol])", setup=setup, number=10000)
0.08417729300003884
>>> timeit.timeit("mx = max(lol, key=lambda x: len(x))", setup=setup, number=10000)
0.121161667999786
This was it
@rough sapphire
Lol I've just realised why this is
If you scrap the lambda it's way quicker
🤦♂️
rough sapphire
It's bothering me that using a list comp is quicker than a gen exp
In [15]: import random
...: lol = [list(range(random.randint(50,500))) for i in range(100)]
In [16]: %timeit max([len(x) for x in lol])
10.2 µs ± 668 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100000 loops each)
In [17]: %timeit max(len(x) for x in lol)
12.1 µs ± 66.7 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100000 loops each)
In [15]: import random
...: lol = [list(range(random.randint(50,500))) for i in range(100)]
In [16]: %timeit max([len(x) for x in lol])
10.2 µs ± 668 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100000 loops each)
In [17]: %timeit max(len(x) for x in lol)
12.1 µs ± 66.7 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100000 loops each)
In [18]: %timeit max(lol, key=lambda x: len(x))
15.9 µs ± 340 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100000 loops each)
In [19]: %timeit max(lol, key=len)
5.11 µs ± 81.4 ns per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 100000 loops each)
It makes sense when you consider passing it through a lambda means making 2 function calls each iteration
rough sapphire
Yep, but the gen exp vs the list comp
marsh hatch
Yeah I don't get that
rough sapphire
If anything I wouldve expected the list comp to be quite a bit slower
theres a loop involved in making the list
marsh hatch
Might be one for #internals-and-peps
rough sapphire
and then max going through it
marsh hatch
I assume with max and a generator function it basically has to convert it to a list after?
>>> timeit.timeit("mx = max(list(len(x) for x in lol))", setup=setup, number=10000)
0.10177797599999394
>>> timeit.timeit("mx = max([len(x) for x in lol])", setup=setup, number=10000)
0.08460173200001009
>>> timeit.timeit("mx = max(len(x) for x in lol)", setup=setup, number=10000)
0.0932927249998556
Hmm list() on a generator is somewhere between the two
Most odd
rough sapphire
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/d246a6766b9d8cc625112906299c4cb019944300/Python/bltinmodule.c#L1614 this is the source code for it
marsh hatch
I don't know enough about cpython to be able to parse where the difference is coming from
I actually assume it's coming from the listcomp being optimised
rough sapphire
hm, maybe, ill try to time it
In [20]: def go_thru(item):
...: for _ in item:
...: pass
...:
In [21]: %timeit go_thru(True for _ in range(10000))
806 µs ± 48.3 µs per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 1000 loops each)
In [22]: %timeit go_thru([True for _ in range(10000)])
560 µs ± 10.9 µs per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 1000 loops each)
Haha
rough sapphire
yep thats the case
marsh hatch
Which again... why I'm not sure. Perhaps since a list is definitely finite
simple sand
Iterating a list is faster than a generator
generator is for _ in list right?.
marsh hatch
erm
rough sapphire
No thats a for loop
simple sand
oh
rough sapphire
(True for _ in range(10000)) is a generator
marsh hatch
Yeah it's the same expression though
marsh hatch
I'm not actually sure what is happening here tbh
I don't know that a generator is supposed to be faster
rough sapphire
In [24]: dis.dis('for x in y:\n pass')
1 0 LOAD_NAME 0 (y)
2 GET_ITER
>> 4 FOR_ITER 4 (to 10)
6 STORE_NAME 1 (x)
2 8 JUMP_ABSOLUTE 4
>> 10 LOAD_CONST 0 (None)
12 RETURN_VALUE
Well, theres an iterator involved in iterating in both cases
marsh hatch
It's definitely meant to be less memory intensive
rough sapphire
FOR_ITER(delta)
TOS is an iterator. Call its next() method. If this yields a new value, push it on the stack (leaving the iterator below it). If the iterator indicates it is exhausted, TOS is popped, and the byte code counter is incremented by delta.
simple sand
1)```py
a = []
for i in range(100):
a.append(i)
2)```py
a = [x for x in range(100)]
I thought the second one would be faster
marsh hatch
it will
rough sapphire
Yeah the second is faster
but youre not iterating over it
we're talking about iteration
marsh hatch
But list-comps are optimised beyond the generator expression
simple sand
oh
marsh hatch
Or at least that's my understanding
rough sapphire
Yeah, lemme remove the call to go_thru
marsh hatch
Will that work?
rough sapphire
Oh no, then the gen comp wouldnt produce anything
marsh hatch
I mean it won't
Because the gen comp will just initialise a lazy generator right?
I dunno
>>> timeit.timeit("[i for i in range(100)]", s
0.0322953210002197
>>> timeit.timeit("(i for i in range(100))", s
0.00692299100001037
Yeah
Hang on a sec
simple sand
tuple against list
marsh hatch
>>> timeit.timeit("[n for n in [i for i in range(100)]]", setup="import random", number=10000)
0.05897396199998184
>>> timeit.timeit("[n for n in (i for i in range(100))]", setup="import random", number=10000)
0.06709437499966953
generator verses list comp? i thought they were the same thing 
marsh hatch
It's something about iterating the generator for sure haha
rough sapphire
Yep, seems like it
marsh hatch
It's marginal but it's real
rough sapphire
I believe the difference would lessen at very high values?
marsh hatch
I think it likely has to do with some extra optimization in list comps?
Did you mean high values in terms of list lengths?
rough sapphire
In [29]: %timeit go_thru([True for _ in range(10000000)])
567 ms ± 3.04 ms per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 1 loop each)
In [30]: %timeit go_thru(True for _ in range(10000000))
853 ms ± 76.9 ms per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 1 loop each)
Its still the same case
rough sapphire
Its still slower
marsh hatch
Like is the gap proportionally the same though?
rough sapphire
Let me take it up an order of 10
marsh hatch
Is there some large N at which they are asymptotically closer
Mine is taking... a while
>>> timeit.timeit("[n for n in [i for i in range(100)]]", setup="import random", number=1000000)
4.71048940799983
>>> timeit.timeit("[n for n in (i for i in range(100))]", setup="import random", number=1000000)
5.657446734000132
>>> timeit.timeit("[n for n in [i for i in range(100000)]]", setup="import random", number=10000)
52.70060166100029
>>> timeit.timeit("[n for n in (i for i in range(100000))]", setup="import random", number=10000)
67.0565495410001
>>> 5.657446734000132/4.71048940799983
1.2010316219779802
>>> 67.0565495410001/52.70060166100029
1.2724057681987253
So if anything the gap is... widening?
Although that is .07 difference in the ratio across 10k repeats
So... somewhat irrelevant probably
rough sapphire
Yep, it went up for me too
marsh hatch
I need some explanation for this
rough sapphire
The hold up over yielding the elements of the generator must be absurdly huge if constructing a list using a list comp and going through it beats it, or there's some other sort of optimisation
these guys did it, they have gone off-off-topic
topaz aurora
!otn a going-off-off-topic
royal lakeBOT
:ok_hand: Added going-off-off-topic to the names list.
marsh hatch
Am I just a meme now
rough sapphire
i dont think its an optimization
it would be tough to optimize it, wouldnt it?
Maybe some sort of "this list just gets iterated over and thrown away"? Seems highly unlikely too, I guess I could try using some of it
marsh hatch
Well I've asked in #internals-and-peps
Usually someone there knows what is going on with the language on the lower level
rough sapphire
Aha-
In [29]: %timeit go_thru([True for _ in range(10000000)])
567 ms ± 3.04 ms per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 1 loop each)
In [33]: def go_thru(item):
...: for i in item:
...: pass
...: return item[200]
...:
In [34]: %timeit go_thru([True for _ in range(10000000)])
675 ms ± 77.8 ms per loop (mean ± std. dev. of 7 runs, 1 loop each)
What am I looking at?
rough sapphire
The older version was ```py
In [20]: def go_thru(item):
...: for _ in item:
...: pass
...:
based on this
marsh hatch
I mean. Does that explain why a list comp is faster though
Because to me the same is true of a generator?
rough sapphire
Yeah I'm not sure either
marsh hatch
Someone has theorized in #internals-and-peps
versed saffron
Ok I've got an issue with kubuntu and Imma bout to head to bed so Im not going to spend time trying to fix it rn, but I was watching youtube and the screen went all white noise esque + the sound did as well (scared the hell out of me with headphones on at full blast)
I'm assuming it's a graphical driver thing? But idk what I'm talking about
topaz aurora
Sounds like driver/dependency issues
versed saffron
Great good thing I definitely 100% absolutely know what I'm looking for
Idk I can't find anything on the webs and I'm really not trying to get jumpscared again tbh
topaz aurora
My YouTube playback on FF is scuffed as well
scarlet wind
@versed saffron was the sound like glitching like so loud noise?
idk how to explain lol
versed saffron
The only way I can describe is white noise
Like tv dead channel noise
The screen had the same effect
versed saffron
Ya like white noise lol
scarlet wind
white noise is something else
floral viper
Like tv dead channel noise
Did you mean like this?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/TV_noise.jpg
Cuz that is white noise
scarlet wind
yea that's what they meant
floral viper
Fun fact: we call that the war of the ants here in sweden. It is an eternal war between black and white ants
scarlet wind
I search how to fix white noise it gives weird vids and all of them are weird noises xD
floral viper
white noise is essentially just a mix of all frequencies within hearable spectrum
like white light is a mix of all visible light
versed saffron
It doesn't help that most kubuntu searches either refer to Ubuntu or random stuff
scarlet wind
too much knowledge xD
versed saffron
Like ig I'll update my video drivers?
If it's not that idek but I've had the os for about a week and this is the first time
still sky
idk if this is a bad question but when someone puts their credentials in, the script hashes the password with a random salt at the end, how are you supposed to compare it with the password hash when they try to login again
like the salt is completely random so it can't be generated again
this is the sha256 hash of password, just plain 5e884898da28047151d0e56f8dc6292773603d0d6aabbdd62a11ef721d1542d8
and this is the hash when it's salted 877f337f1ce5a433a0409d884890096a03cb4286f1f875051f9811532199a2f9
let's say I store the salted hash in my DB
when the user wants to login again, how do I validate the password given with the salted hash?
solid pollen
You need the salt for that
still sky
so I store it?
solid pollen
Yes
still sky
where and how am I supposed to store it
solid pollen
It is just to defend yourself against rainbow attacks, storing it in your database alongside your hashes won’t lower your security
I’d recommend you to use argon2 though
still sky
Argon2 hm okay
I'll use argon2
I'll install this https://pypi.org/project/argon2-cffi/
simple sand
#cybersecurity ppl there can help u
candid jungle
how to fix this error https://paste.pythondiscord.com/oxecixoret.lua
rough sapphire
test
mild abyss
testus
inland wolf
same
undone harbor
hey guys
I'm trying to install windows 10 on a vm
but its asking me for an activation code
where do i get that from?
calm dawn
@undone harbor you get the activation code when you purchase a copy of Windows at Microsoft.com
or 3rd party sources but I don't trust those
stark oasis
you can just click "I dont have a product key" and use a demo.
It will remove some customization features that shouldnt matter in a VM.
and it will often remind you to update.
err, to activate
But you should be able to install without putting a key in if you look carefully at things to click on to evade it.
mild abyss
how can i get the demo
uhm he said
you can just click "I dont have a product key" and use a demo.
undone harbor
@mild abyss it sent me to this
what should i do
which one is the demo
?
can someone pls help
ancient stream
You can demo any really, but unless the extra stuff, windows 10 x64 pro is more than fine
stark oasis
Windows 10 should install no matter what you select. Its not really a demo.
Its just an unactivated version of Win10
To be honest, they dont deserve any money. They have a profit model without you giving them money. Thats why they let you do it.
They just try to harass you to give them money because they are trash.
ancient stream
The personalization stuff is restricted if you don't use a keycode. So unless that matters, it should be okay. Or if you need windows for a specific reason, you could just run linux with wine to use the app maybe? If that is why you are installing windows. Its really what ever is easiest for you
stark oasis
I mean, theres plenty of reasons to run real Windows in a VM. It would be silly to activate them.
A lot of the time theyre just tests.
mild abyss
I mean, theres plenty of reasons to run real Windows in a VM. It would be silly ...
yeah they will make your license invalid right because youre in a VM?
i mean it does happen
stark oasis
Ive never tried.
Its mostly silly because once you're done with doing something in a VM you revert it back to a default state or delete it.
At least thats my use cases for windows vms
boreal swift
i just realized discord added a rules icon
edgy crest
?
boreal swift
edgy crest
same i dont have it either
livid citrus
@glacial jacinth You got it working?
glacial jacinth
@livid citrus no 😦
mellow spire
is it a update? or u did inspect....
tranquil orchid
Alright people convince me, what linux distro's should I try out
simple sand
arch
eternal wing
tranquil orchid
I do quite like the look of manjaro
scarlet wind
manjaro
tidal rose
okay this is a random question but is anyone here good at building pcs?
eternal wing
okay this is a random question but is anyone here good at building pcs?
probably many of us, but yeah, I would say I am
eternal wing
beautiful
tidal rose
i’m decent at programming but when it comes to building pcs i’m dumb
edgy crest
i have a monitor, but i have nothing else
eternal wing
Now just need a monitor
let me know what monitor you decide on, I have been trying to find a good monitor
edgy crest
lets join forces jack
tranquil orchid
I have one I'm looking at
Cause it's like
200 dollars cheaper than normal on sale
tidal rose
probably many of us, but yeah, I would say I am
would u help me find parts for one? maybe around 700-800?
tranquil orchid
simple sand
i like 34 inch
eternal wing
would u help me find parts for one? maybe around 700-800?
sure, I have a few lists already I can send later if you remind me haha
tranquil orchid
From the reviews I've seen it seems fairly solid but I'm still on the lookout
eternal wing
ohhhhh, that one is nice
tranquil orchid
I may just jump on that deal and see what happens
tidal rose
sure, I have a few lists already I can send later if you remind me haha
okay i’ll just dm u like hi or something now so i don’t forget ur username
edgy crest
curve is good? 
tranquil orchid
Curve epic
simple sand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zdoR_A9tTc&t=147s&ab_channel=TechWithTimTechWithTimVerified
check this vid out
edgy crest
that doesnt look good
tidal rose
curve is good
simple sand
don't judge a book by its cover.
and don't judge a vid by its thumbnail
edgy crest
i mean in case of monitors cover is all there is..
tranquil orchid
Ultrawide, curved, 100hz, 2k, 1m response for 629 Australian dollars is pretty solid
edgy crest
the one jack sent is good, but the ones showing in that vid..
tidal rose
oh it’s australian dollars
tranquil orchid
Yeah
simple sand
the one jack sent is good, but the ones showing in that vid..
u haven't even watched the vid what are u talking about
tranquil orchid
I think I'm just gonna get it tonight, it's the best monitor deal I've seen since looking
tidal rose
jack what’s ur graphic card?
tranquil orchid
1660ti
edgy crest
well i would judge from the thumbnail obviously
tranquil orchid
Which I also got for a really good price
tidal rose
how much
tranquil orchid
I believe it wassss
~350ish Australian dollars
They're going really cheap in Australia for some reason
tidal rose
lucky
tranquil orchid
And the PSU I'm pretty happy with as well
scarlet wind
Add to Cart and then after sometimes out of stock I was like going to destroy my keyboard xD
tranquil orchid
650watt, 80 gold +, fully modular and a ten year warranty for 170 dollars I believe it was
simple sand
@tranquil orchid u gonna water cool it?
simple sand
lol
scarlet wind
lol
tranquil orchid
Then I can expand a bit more in the future and temps can stay nice and low
Uh it was
lemme see
I think it was 130 Australian dollars
But I'll be able to use that in any future builds as well that beast will handle anything
tidal rose
okay yeah that’s good
rough sapphire
@glad aspen
frozen tusk
torn walrus
why isnt there a JS equivalent of this server?
uneven pine
Potential answer: The JS community is heavily fragmented
Potential answer: There probably is somewhere
topaz aurora
I'd say the first one is true
Considering that there's a lot of JS frameworks that are separate entities
mild abyss
why isnt there a JS equivalent of this server?
idk if speakJS is the only server i know of
uneven pine
Yeah, 10 frameworks for every single problem
and a nearly equal userbase on all of em
uneven pine
unlike python where you have like, Flask/Django are the two big players, there are other web framworks obv, but those are the big ones
when it comes to JS you've got at least twice that for each problem that needs tob e solved
so it makes communities smaller
mild abyss
i see
topaz aurora
Even if Flask/Django are frameworks that are supposed to wrap around Python, it's still fundamentally just Python
Compared to something like Vue/React/Angular which are full-blown extensions to JS
mild abyss
flown blown
edgy crest
wow, i made a code to create a gif of a photo shaking
img = np.array(Image.open('/home/spongy/Pictures/cool_aizen.jpg'))
frames = []
fin = []
for i in range(10):
frame = cv2.blur(img, (1, random.randint(3, 12)))
frames.append(frame)
for fra in frames:
a = Image.fromarray(np.array(fra))
fin.append(a)
a.save('modified.gif', save_all=True, append_images=fin, loop=0)```makes the photo like this
elfin sandal
opal sphinx
Noice
edgy crest
ok wait a sec
edgy crest
i use g
rough sapphire
we aint in the 1990s you can write out more than just a j
i at least is universally 'index' so it makes sense
opal sphinx
rough sapphire
i swear to god if i see some python code where i isnt used for index ill reee so hard
reeeeeee
opal sphinx
Huh
edgy crest
here
opal sphinx
Lol
mild abyss
wow, i made a code to create a gif of a photo shaking
boredom bears fruit to new ideas
edgy crest
yeah
mild abyss
lol
solid pollen
Wat
mild abyss
so it is basically python as a shell
wait what
python already has a shell
but idk how to describe xonsh
xD
topaz aurora
Xonch is everything at the same time
rough sapphire
wat
solid pollen
That's pretty weird
rough sapphire
how has akarys never heard about xonsh before
solid pollen
My computer is currently unplugged, someone in my family stole my screens and peripherals lol
rough sapphire
i feel like hes the one who told me about it
mild abyss
My computer is currently unplugged, someone in my family stole my screens and pe...
what???
solid pollen
Nope, that wasn't me
solid pollen
We just moved home, and I have the only computer properly setup
mild abyss
akarys will spank someone in his family
solid pollen
My mother had to do some paperwork, so I unplugged my computer and plugged her instead haha
rough sapphire
Go unplug her
mild abyss
i have a bad feeling i will break something if i use xonsh
so many issues haha
oh well i will never use it for now
narrow pecan
Morning mr macro
mild abyss
lol good evening
narrow pecan
Oh wait, it’s evening for me too
mild abyss
Oh wait, it’s evening for me too
really?
mild abyss
🙃
narrow pecan
But definitely not morning
narrow pecan
👀
rough sapphire
is that a joke
narrow pecan
I haven’t really uploaded too much code, but sure
rough sapphire
vester doesnt know how to code you can see his github has almost nothing on it!
🙃
mild abyss
maybe he has another account we dont know off
and he is actually a professor gasps
just 2020
narrow pecan
vester doesnt know how to code you can see his github has almost nothing on it!
Ahhhh, my secret is revealed!!
narrow pecan
What’s so suspicious about that?🥺🥺
solid pollen
i have a bad feeling i will break something if i use xonsh
Changing your default shell won't break anything
edgy crest
uh you said your eyes are hurting?
scarlet wind
that was a joke
edgy crest
import numpy as np
from PIL import Image, ImageDraw
import cv2
import random
img = Image.open('/home/spongy/Pictures/ichigo kurosaki.jpg')
trigger = Image.open('triggered.png')
trigger = trigger.resize((206, 50), Image.NEAREST)
img = img.resize((206, 206), Image.NEAREST)
Image.Image.paste(img, trigger, (1, 155))
img = np.array(img)
frames = []
fin = []
for pixel in img:
for rgb in pixel:
rgb[0] = 170
for i in range(10):
frame = cv2.blur(img, (1, random.randint(3, 12)))
frames.append(frame)
for fra in frames:
a = Image.fromarray(np.array(fra))
fin.append(a)
a.save('modified.gif', save_all=True, append_images=fin, loop=0)``` do you guys know how can i make it move sideways  , this is the codenevermind i think this would be enough my eyes hurt
i was trying to implement in my bot but it gives me an error that says py Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/spongy/.pyenv/versions/3.8.6/lib/python3.8/site-packages/discord/ext/commands/core.py", line 85, in wrapped ret = await coro(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/spongy/Python_Projects/discord.py/Tanjiro.py", line 395, in trigger rgb[0] = 170 TypeError: 'numpy.uint8' object does not support item assignment while this works locally 
idk why is it different in discord.py
deep kayak
Hey all! I've been presented with a weird question which I can't figure out the answer to, since I'm not a developer (yet). The question was put thus: "Why would an experienced developer choose to develop a testing platform instead of a product?"
Any personal opinions welcome.
deep kayak
Well I'm learning...
rough sapphire
anyways theres literally no answer to your question
ijust dont know
why would someone prefer nyc over san fran. why would anyone prefer x over y. its all opinions
maybe the guy is angry at the current testing platforms and wants to make a new one. maybe the testing platform pays him more. maybe its in the city he wants. maybe im not gonna continue
deep kayak
Thanks for trying though 🙂
scarlet wind
big brain
rough sapphire
bruh
solid pollen
i was trying to implement in my bot but it gives me an error that says ```py
Tra...
Same version of numpy?
edgy crest
wdym?
what should be my numpy version equal to?
anyway i think mine is pretty, old i will upgrade it
scarlet wind
lul
edgy crest
is this good? the latest numpy version is stable right?
scarlet wind
you do that?
edgy crest
yes
scarlet wind
pip install -U numpy
edgy crest
i dont really care
edgy crest
alr
solid pollen
what should be my numpy version equal to?
Between your local python and the bot
edgy crest
the bot is using my local python
same error after updating
rgb[0] = 170
TypeError: 'numpy.uint8' object does not support item assignment```show the code
edgy crest
and idk any other way of converting an image red tinted
@client.command()
async def trigger(ctx, dude: discord.Member=None):
img = Image.open(BytesIO(await ctx.author.avatar_url.read() if not dude else dude.avatar_url.read()))
trigger = Image.open('/home/spongy/Python_Projects/Hata_bot/triggered.png')
trigger = trigger.resize((206, 50), Image.NEAREST)
img = img.resize((206, 206), Image.NEAREST)
Image.Image.paste(img, trigger, (1, 155))
img = np.array(img)
frames = []
fin = []
for pixel in img:
for rgb in pixel:
rgb[0] = 170
for i in range(10):
frame = cv2.blur(img, (1, random.randint(3, 20)))
frames.append(frame)
for fra in frames:
a = Image.fromarray(np.array(fra))
fin.append(a)
a.save('/home/spongy/Pictures/triggered.gif', save_all=True, append_images=fin, loop=0)
await ctx.send(file=discord.File('/home/spongy/Pictures/triggered.gif'))```so is it 1D array?
edgy crest
it will be a 3d array right, its an array of an image
this code works perfectly locally, but somehow it isnt working here
i think the problem is the opening the image of the pfp, maybe bytesio is interfering or smth
like thats the only difference between the original code and bot code
img = Image.open(BytesIO(await ctx.author.avatar_url.read() if not dude else dude.avatar_url.read()))``` this seems to be the problem
ancient stream
hey can I get more eyes to look at this? The music app, on the left side. is that a line through it?
rough sapphire
Looks like it
ancient stream
damnit, I literally just got home from bestbuy with it
and my wife needed the car to go to work
quick ledge
does that line persist with other images?
rough sapphire
^ what does it look like on a solid background
ancient stream
Yes it does
it persists when I go to the settings menu, it strikes through the options as I scroll
and if I edit the widget layout, the spotify app gets the line through it on the right side
in its current location
it is super hard to get a pic of
rough sapphire
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/troubleshooting/TSG01003180/ this is what samsung has to say about that
ancient stream
hmm, okay so now that I factory reset the watch, it is gone?
nope, its back now on the widget screen
same spot
NVM, more than one. Well I did what that link said to do and it's still happening
eternal wing
Ayyyyy you got the thing
quick ledge
yeah but the thing has this line thing
eternal wing
Oof, dead pixels or something?
Back to bestbuy it goes
ancient stream
Yeah Idk whats wrong. it only happens after fully on. When its booting, there is no lines
eternal wing
Hmmm. Thst is odd. I would not even try to troubleshoot that, just exchange it asap
ancient stream
Its in a few spots, but around the same general area. Like now its not going through the minute hand on the watch, but it was about 8 minutes ago
rough sapphire
hmmm
sorry man you left the store i cant process your refund. i think you did this to it yourself
ancient stream
42 minutes on hold with them. I used to work at the store, they know me and will help but it sucks because I will have to take a lyft or uber there xD
and I rather have it ready to go so I can get in and out.
eternal wing
That is frustrating :C
quick ledge
yeah, I'm getting second hand frustration
ancient stream
finally after 58 minutes, they got one ready for me to replace and got me a 5$ credit for lyft XD
First time using a ride share thing, not gonna lie, nervous as fuxk
ancient stream
The guy is really nice though and helpful, so that is good. Just the horror stories I've heard x.x
take 2, lets see how this one is
Watch 2 is a success!
ancient stream
Nuu I don't like apple 😦
narrow pecan
Ahahah
ancient stream
Nighty night
eternal wing
responsible vester
stark oasis
I'm so triggered right now by this.. This is an ad for a link that promises it will help you to "code better"
so ... true.stop() ...
Its not cute.
Its stupid
round rose
smh running the function call twice instead of caching the result
what if it's not a pure function? What if it's an expensive computation? Reckless
eternal wing
...now what do i do with my life
COOOOOOOOOODE
young shoal
quick bay
psvm says wear a mask!
manic bloom
wow 2 vester otns
eternal wing
!
ancient stream
I talked to my group, and it seems like they are chill if you wanna join the campaign remotely. Long as you can connect Wednesdays 5-8 cdt
eternal wing
ohhhhh, tyty. That is very awesome of you and your group.
unfortunately I am fairly busy lately and also work at that exact time :(((((((((
ancient stream
Aww :(
eternal wing
aww indeed :(
also: tbh I have never played DnD by the rules haha. So you could say I have never played DnD xD
ancient stream
We would have helped, but I totally understand!
eternal wing
LOL
I think I told the story where someone with high strength slapped an important npc, then rolled a 20, so like.......... I guess they'll just die 🤷
ancient stream
XD
Yeah that kind of shit is hilarious. I actually just caused a wight to be controlled by my paladin for 24 hrs because the DM failed the save lol. My paladin is an oath breaker, ala evil
narrow pecan
wow 2 vester otns
Oooo
this is sentimental lemon
< this is sentimental Vester
Hahah
quick ledge
😢 + 🥒
narrow pecan
Ah, yes. Indeed
solid pollen
@high solstice Manjaro is based on Arch
high solstice
I’d have to look into Arch.
solid pollen
In my experience, Manjaro tends to have a better support and customisation options than Ubuntu
Also the fact that it doesn't use Snaps is quite good
high solstice
Well. Godot has crashed Ubuntu already so I might have to switch 😂😂😂. Tried ZorinOS but it was too locked down for me, couldn’t get pip installed.
Thinking about switching back to pycharm so I could also use rider. But like vs code looks cleaner to me.
old cliff
Oh hello
Well I have a problem with windows 10
I think an update just came and first I wasn't even able to log in it was just looping then I somehow managed to get in and now
My windows key isn't working
It works for a bit before programs open up and it stops working after
edgy crest
@quick ledge what is dotenv?
quick ledge
i posted that in the wrong channel
dotenv is used to load environmental variables from a .env file
edgy crest
ooh
quick ledge
to keep your api secrets and stuff, well, secret
it's a bad idea to include them in code as people can use your token
edgy crest
ye ik
quick ledge
you can leave it blank in the version you upload on github
edgy crest
i have only used .env files from other people's codes but not created one myself, so i was curious
quick ledge
but there is a risk of forgetting to do that before committing
well now you know what it is
uneven pine
I'll jip over here
quick ledge
sure
uneven pine
Deciding between next distro to replace manjaro
quick ledge
manjaro
solid pollen
manjaro
uneven pine
"To replace manjaro"
solid pollen
Yes, manjaro
edgy crest
manjaro different de
quick ledge
Yes, manjaro
solid pollen
At worst Arch
uneven pine
How about we don't circlejerk?
Currently I'm considering Kubuntu, OpenSUSE, or the new Rolling Rhino setup for Ubuntu
quick ledge
EndeavourOS?
edgy crest
hmm, i have heard of popOs
uneven pine
Looking to avoid arch based
quick ledge
ok
solid pollen
Why do you wanna change first
quick ledge
If kubuntu has worked for you in the past, go for that
uneven pine
I don't like the package management, and I've had consistent driver issues on Manjaro using the exact same driver versions that had no issues under Ubuntu budgie
edgy crest
then why not use ubuntu budgie
uneven pine
Budgie desktop ended up being a bit sad for multiple monitors
edgy crest
mint?
uneven pine
Looking for KDE for the better desktop support with docks
Debian is too stale
packages don't update fast enough
edgy crest
manjaro kde
uneven pine
"To replace manjaro"
edgy crest
solid pollen
I mean, yeah, if you want a rolling update
uneven pine
"can we not circlejerk"
solid pollen
I’m being serious
edgy crest
manjaro is not replaceable
uneven pine
Sigh
quick ledge
hey what about kubuntu?
solid pollen
If that’s what you’re looking for, arch based would be a good way to go
uneven pine
How easy is it to replace pacman/pamac with aptitude
solid pollen
Debian based distros (including Ubuntu, let’s not forgot about him) will have the same slow release schema
It is impossible
uneven pine
well, there's the rolling rhino setupo for ubuntu that I mentioned
quick ledge
I have heard about that
uneven pine
quick ledge
I don't remember whether I heard good things or bad things
uneven pine
I mean, it's an intensive setup.
solid pollen
In all honestly, if you want a rolling release, use a distro that has been built with rolling releases in mind
uneven pine
Yeah, I'm probably going to end up with OpenSUSE
zypper was a lot nicer than pacman iirc
my real goal is to never have to touch the terminal though
uneven pine
the flags are unintuitive and annoying
solid pollen
Are they?
quick ledge
yet your aim is to not touch the terminal
solid pollen
You can make shell aliases though
solid pollen
alias "pacman -Sy" = "apt update"
alias "pacman -Su" = "apt upgrade"
alias "yay" = "apt install"
alias "pacman -Rns" = "apt purge"
alias "pacman -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)" = "apt autoremove"```better?but for example, on ubuntu systems I pretty much never touch it
quick ledge
you can try using pamac then
uneven pine
at this point I'm pretty much doomed to reinstall regardless
to try and fix the graphics driver issue
uneven pine
really not interested in throwing back into a distro base that already had issues and requires tweaking of every single minute detail
proprietary drivers
every time the system sleeps they crash
and sometimes they crash when I'm in the middle of things
same exact driver version I was using on ubuntu without issue
solid pollen
If you want something that works out of the box, use Debian or Ubuntu
solid pollen
I’ve been using manjaro for over 2 years, it never crashed on me
https://distrochooser.de/en maybe try this website?
uneven pine
well I'll eat my hat I guess
since when does debian have new packages?
python3 is 3.9???
solid pollen
Probably not
uneven pine
it is
I just checked their packages website
assuming sid is the current release? https://i.imgur.com/HFI7cIu.png
uneven pine
solid pollen
It is the unstable channel
Considering unstable has a rolling release is a bit of a stretch (no pun intended :P)
uneven pine
that site recommended me linux from scratch lmao
solid pollen
Hahaha
uneven pine
🤔
this is interesting
I'm going with OpenSUSE again
been a few years since I used it
obtuse falcon
when 3.10 will finished? i need the speed
scarlet wind
3.10? lol
uneven pine
A year from now
scarlet wind
most lib are still not even compatible with 3.9
solid pollen
Actuallllyyy
uneven pine
On the iPad while I install opens use tumbleweed
uneven pine
most lib are still not even compatible with 3.9
False
scarlet wind
True
uneven pine
I have not found a single incompatible package
royal lakeBOT
obtuse falcon
what makes incompetible
uneven pine
Worst I’ve had to do is compile a dependency
scarlet wind
👀
uneven pine
New releases are backwards compatible, it would be extremely rare to see an incompatibility
solid pollen
Not really?
obtuse falcon
then 4.0 comes...
uneven pine
Do you have any examples of major incompatibility with 3.9?
solid pollen
Look at how long it took for major libraries to migrate from 3.7 to 3.8
uneven pine
Even everything on my bloated bot worked fine day 1
solid pollen
Alright, let me pull the notes
obtuse falcon
if you use liblaries except standarts liblaries you are not a proggemre
uneven pine
What
scarlet wind
you have notes for that lol
round rose
Ah, the good ole "Using libraries is for lazy people who'd rather steal code, REAL programmers write everything from scratch themselves"
scarlet wind
Real Programmers be like : yoink now this code is my property
quick ledge
hmm, other than some libraries not having wheels for 3.9 yet, idk what other issues exist
solid pollen
- a number of Python builtins (range, tuple, set, frozenset, list, dict) are now sped up using PEP 590 vectorcall;
garbage collection does not block on resurrected objects;- a number of Python modules (_abc, audioop, _bz2, _codecs, _contextvars, _crypt, _functools, _json, _locale, math, operator, resource, time, _weakref) now use multiphase initialization as defined by PEP 489;
- a number of standard library modules (audioop, ast, grp, _hashlib, pwd, _posixsubprocess, random, select, struct, termios, zlib) are now using the stable ABI defined by PEP 384.
uneven pine
Yeah the wheels are the only thing I’ve seen
solid pollen
Some of the first changes