guinea pigs are cool pets - but I think rats are probably the best rodents to have
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
surreal otter
guinea pigs are borign though
gentle moss
rats need friends too
undone berry
guinea pigs do require friends - but so do rats
and honestly - it's pretty alright to have 2/3 rats or guinea pigs vs just 1
gentle moss
when my current old one robin's sibling passed away she was just massive depressed
it was really sad
we had to cuddle her multiple times a day
surreal otter
Yea, once you have one, you can have a bunch.
gentle moss
before we could get a new pair of friends for her
spiral ridge
hi
stone beacon
Hello
undone berry
based on this conversation - my guess is that you shouldn't be keeping any animals
spiral ridge
i said hi because you said hello
undone berry
you went from not knowing the difference between a rat and a mouse to asking for where to buy rats in about 10m
stone beacon
Yea uh I don’t have any pets
spiral ridge
yeah gotta do a little bit more research before you make your final decision
stone beacon
hmm ok
undone berry
research is very important before buying any pet
stone beacon
I’ll look into turtles
I still have months before Christmas which is my final decision
solid pollen
So I have the linker spamming
`__x86.get_pc_thunk.bx' referenced in section `.text' of kafel/libkafel.a(libkafel.o): defined in discarded section `.text.__x86.get_pc_thunk.bx[__x86.get_pc_thunk.bx]' of kafel/libkafel.a(libkafel.o)```That's pretty coolI have no idea what that mean
solid pollen
Hey @cerulean basin, do you have any experience in compiling NsJail on 32bits?
strong hemlock
rough sapphire
@solid pollen what issue are you having?
solid pollen
I'm trying to build nsjail in a 32 bits container
But it isn't liking it
Here is the full output https://paste.pythondiscord.com/itilegixof
cerulean basin
solid pollen
Okay thanks anyway
rough sapphire
@solid pollen add -fno-pie to CFLAGS in the Makefile
solid pollen
They are no CFLAG already defined @rough sapphire, should I create it?
the makefile is here https://github.com/google/nsjail/blob/master/Makefile
There's a COMMON_FLAGS with -fPIE inside though, if that matters
God, I'm so lost
rough sapphire
change that -fPIE to -fno-pie
stuck meteor
guys there is a way for redirecting to another page by using @ and then typing hex chars
for example https://www.google.com@ etc
how was it working? i forgot
graceful basin
@stuck meteor URL parsers were incorrect
Or in this case you may just need to enter the IP
stuck meteor
they still work
https://www.google.com@ and then you write a site for example youtube.com in hex
so we split that hex in many characters
https://www.google.com@%79%6f%75%74%75%62%65%2e%63%6f%6d
this will redirect you to youtube
eager trout
imagine if the universe had a python api
from universe import planets,evolve
from universe.magic import portals, giveMagic
earth_loc = planets.getlocation('earth')
evolve(earth_loc)
giveMagic('Skynse')
@stuck meteor oh, what is happening here is that URL syntax is
protocol:user@site so the @ makes google.com a user and the URL encoded URL the site. At least I think so
stuck meteor
probably
import subprocess, time
def get_clipboard():
time.sleep(0.05)
cb_content = subprocess.check_output("powershell Get-Clipboard -Raw", creationflags=subprocess.CREATE_NO_WINDOW)
return cb_content.decode()
def reverse_clipboard():
rev_content = get_clipboard()[::-1].encode()
time.sleep(0.05)
subprocess.run(f'echo {rev_content} | clip', creationflags=subprocess.CREATE_NO_WINDOW)
if __name__ == "__main__":
while True:
reverse_clipboard()
can someone explain me why am i getting FileNotFoundError when running this?
it should simply reverse the clipboard content
scenic blaze
I always want to help people with questions but they use libraries I've never touched before
floral viper
Where does the filenotfound error happen? which line?
stuck meteor
was appearning on ```subprocess.run(f'echo {rev_content} | clip', creationflags=subprocess.CREATE_NO_WINDOW)
But i fixed by passing shell=True
there is another problem now tho
it doesnt reverse the string
wait, actually it probably does, but i didnt implement something to check if its reversed already
scarlet comet
I Was thinking about making a circle generator with rectangles in pygame (dont ask why, I dont want to use pygame.draw.circle, just a lot of rects) but I havent got a clue on what the maths would be for eac pixel on the circle, and I cant seem to find it on google, any ideas?
each*
stone beacon
@strong hemlock what kind of turtles do you have what species
torn patio
Anyone know if a ZFS Mirror is significantly slower than a RAID1? Cannot seem to find a straight answer. I want to use ZFS where I can but I also do not want to hurt the performance of the VMs and databases
cold current
Than straight RAID1? Almost definitely significantly slower
lofty dirge
Assuming ZFS has been properly implemented, ZFS mirror should be faster then RAID1
since ZFS doesn't Mirror by disk
so retrieval could be spread out among disks
rancid forge
if we're #ot1-perplexing-regexing, can we cook some bisque with bisk?
rough sapphire
I think bisk would be up for that
rancid forge
i dont see bisk online though
rough sapphire
Figured it was a general question
rancid forge
maybe some day...
smoky frigate
Quick node question: how to you get the response text from https?
rough sapphire
like the html content?
royal lakeBOT
Hey @simple sand!
half mural
@rough sapphire point being, a lot of people already got banned for using third-party clients
half mural
I was just trynna warn you, but ok, go ahead and take it personal
rough sapphire
it's a mod of the official client
sand goblet
It's a client mod, which breaks the ToS just as hard
half mural
Yeah betterdiscord is a mod and people also got banned for it
rough sapphire
i'm not upset here
but i won't stand for throwing things around that haven't been explored yet
half mural
Well
rough sapphire
ripcord isn't a mod
half mural
They have tho
sand goblet
They've been explored.
half mural
If you wanna argue abt it, go ahead
sonic river
third part clients are against TOS, and accounts have been banned already for using them
sonic river
that's a fact, you can ignore it, but it's how it is
undone berry
https://old.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/8tukek/ripcord_unofficial_native_discord_client_no/e1adbu5/ a comment from the CEO referencing their TOS is obviously a good enough source - I'm not sure why anyone is bothering to argue with him at this point
sonic river
we posted the tos and it wasn't good enough
because they don't explicitly say "third party client"
sand goblet
It was amusing to sit on the API server and watch staff gloat about how many people they banned using mods/clients
rough sapphire
for sure
sonic river
despite it being normal for TOS to be vague to encompass edge cases
rough sapphire
they should have banned the developer yrs ago then, yeah?
sonic river
they probably did
sand goblet
That'd be a stupid move
sonic river
if they advertised it on the discord platform
sand goblet
At least they know who's working on clients and where to keep an eye on their community
They've been known to lurk servers relating to these mods/clients
sonic river
just because you ban a discord account doesn't mean the owner of that accound will stop working on the alternative client
rough sapphire
if Discord wanted to discourage the use of 3rd party clients
they'd have stated 3rd party clients
sonic river
no they wouldn't
sand goblet
Sounds like wilful ignorance to me
sonic river
TOS are purposefully vague
rough sapphire
policing yourself with rules that aren't even there is just ridiculous lol
undone berry
it is there
sonic river
otherwise people like you come in and say "but it says modded client, not third party apps"
undone berry
it's been linked to you
sand goblet
It's covered by the ToS
undone berry
in 2 different forms
you refusing to understand it is a you problem - not a TOS problem
sonic river
You agree not to (and not to attempt to) [...] (ii) copy, adapt, modify, prepare derivative works based upon, distribute, license, sell, transfer, publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, stream, broadcast, attempt to discover any source code, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise exploit the Service or any portion of the Service, except as expressly permitted in these Terms
wheat lynx
As was literally just posted
You agree not to (and not to attempt to) (i) use the Service for any use or purpose other than as expressly permitted by these Terms;(ii) copy, adapt, modify, prepare derivative works based upon, distribute, license, sell, transfer, publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, stream, broadcast, attempt to discover any source code, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise exploit the Service or any portion of the Service,
errant wyvern
copy, adapt, modify
wheat lynx
Third party clients are undisputably against Discords T&S, as well as it being clarified informally by members of discord staff
rough sapphire
the API is publicly exposed though?
sand goblet
Not all of it
sonic river
that doesn't make it ok ?
sonic river
you're right
sand goblet
The authentication stuff in particular is a big no-no and they instaban anything that doesn't use it exactly as the client does
sonic river
because it's clearly expressed in the tos that it's not allowed
sand goblet
I find it hilarious that ripcord is commercial software by the way
Let's charge people for this thing that breaks other services terms
half mural
Now I understand how people who believe masks are bad exist
some people really just wanna believe what they wanna believe and nothing else
sand goblet
"If I yell louder then I'm right!"
half mural
it's a little bit scary :x
rough sapphire
they're not related
and if Discord truly did not allow 3rd party clients, they'd say so right in the ToS they don't even understand
sand goblet
You don't have the right to make that call
If you feel like a terms of service is ambiguous, then hire a lawyer to prove it
rough sapphire
not anymore than anyone in here?
sonic river
I mean, we're not going to do anything
sand goblet
True, but the staff that run the service do have a right to comment on it
sonic river
But you're the one that risks getting banned, then complain on reddit about it
solid pollen
You agree that you shall not modify, copy, distribute, frame, reproduce, republish, download, scrape, display, post, transmit, or sell in any form or by any means, in whole or in part, or otherwise exploit the Service Materials without our express prior written permission.
It really isn't ambiguous
rough sapphire
is it clear what service materials are?
sonic river
Also, server owners are forced, to an extent, to enforce TOS, so there's that too
sand goblet
They define that yes
sonic river
yes it is
rough sapphire
and what are those?
solid pollen
Yes, it is defined higher up in the document
rough sapphire
since when is the publicly exposed API service material?
it's there for use excluding abuse
solid pollen
By using or accessing the Discord application (the “App”) or the website located at https://discord.com (the "Site"), which are collectively referred to as the “Service,”
sonic river
All rights, title and interest in and to all materials that are part of the Service (including, but not limited to, designs, text, graphics, pictures, video, information, applications, software, music, sound and other files, and their selection and arrangement), except for Your Content, collectively referred to as the "Service Materials,
solid pollen
since when is the publicly exposed API service material?
@rough sapphire since they defined it as one lol
sand goblet
The API spec itself isn't service materials
It's the data the API gives you access to
Which you aren't allowed to display
sonic river
information, applications, software
are where the third party clients and/or mods fit in
sand goblet
So that's pretty clear really
rough sapphire
nice interpretation there
sonic river
not to mention using discord branding in the clients and stuff
sand goblet
The truth of the matter is that mango is deliberately fighting the losing corner with no evidence or semblence of humility
sonic river
apparently you don't even want to know, you're just trying to prove you're right :|
solid pollen
nice interpretation there
@rough sapphire that's also discord's interpretation, they made tweets about the illegality of mods like better discord
sonic river
"but it's not a mod, it's a third party client"
sand goblet
BD itself has been quite damaging too
rough sapphire
a third party client is not a modification of the official client
sonic river
called it
rough sapphire
ripcord doesn't use the resources from the official client other than going to the API
wheat lynx
I guess you could say that everything is an interpretation, but that's not gonna hold up in court (obviously not saying you would go to court for using a third part client, i'm speaking more generally)
rough sapphire
lol
sand goblet
And what are you not allowed to do with that? Display it
solid pollen
Well, in that case you are going to use a selfbot if you are using a new client, and that's still forbidden by the ToS
sand goblet
Oh yeah, we didn't even get into automation
rough sapphire
ripcord isn't a selfbot
sand goblet
That one is explicitly forbidden in a number of places
rough sapphire
what in the wordl
solid pollen
Well, yes.
Since you are accessing API endpoint using your personal tokens
You are using a selfbot
sand goblet
At this point it's pretty clear that they don't care about listening to anyone
solid pollen
Only the official client is allowed to interact with the API using user tokens
sand goblet
Reminds me of flat-earthers tbh
Of course, the best part about flat-earthers is that they constantly prove themselves wrong :>
sand goblet
At the end of the day, you either listen to the staff running the service or you clearly don't care enough about it to mind being banned
The only exception I'd make to that is if someone has a disability that makes discord unusable without a mod
sand goblet
But in that case being banned is the same as not having the mod haha
rough sapphire
i don't want to get banned so i'll listen
sand goblet
I don't buy it but it's not my funeral
sand goblet
Yes, if only you'd realised that 20 minutes ago
rough sapphire
i'm not that quick, ok?
agile heart
is it normal if you have different rep count on stackoverflow meta and stackoverflow? Mine differs by 4 at the moment and I couldn't find whether that's supposed to happen
twilit hull
Hax
cold current
Yea, that's supposed to happen
half mural
That feel when it's day 3 and still no money on your account
I'm at -40 € and it's a little bit anxiety inducing
don't even have anything for dinner
ancient minnow
Why don't you get a loan at your bank? Maybe dumb question lol im not that experienced with banking.
half mural
My bank doesn't let me, I tried already
Don't have a stable income bc mental health issues
ancient minnow
Ohh thats pretty fucked up
half mural
Really struggling to get a job, I tried to get one regardless but at the end of the day my mental health just gets in the way every time
ancient minnow
Cant you try to do some feelancing on some websites or something?
I mean without money living a life is pretty hard
half mural
I think if I can't even do a code jam project without panicking and having a little bit of a breakdown idk if I can handle a freelance project where actual money is on the line
I tried to do it before and it ended with me having to quit early because I couldn't handle the pressure
ancient minnow
Hmm yea thats a little bit fkd up. Dont you have any medication for your mental health issues?
half mural
The things that sucks even more is that even though you can get free therapy in my country in theory, the reality of things is that I don't get a response to any phone calls or anything
I don't because I could never get therapy
my parents didn't care enough about me to send me to one
ancient minnow
I mean it sounds pretty annoying living a life where you struggle all the time with your mental health
half mural
and after that it was too hard to get a therapist
Yeah I'm constantly struggling, it's no fun
Trying my best tho
ancient minnow
Ohh maybe there are some therapists working pro bono that could help you?
ancient minnow
That sounds very weird to me.
I mean i always thought you can always reach out to those people and they could try to fit you in their schedule.
half mural
I wish, but I don't even get an answer to phone calls or emails
maybe it's because of the pandemic rn?
idk
ancient minnow
maybe it's because of the pandemic rn?
@half mural i mean i think thats the main factor. But still
half mural
I was lucky and the pressure was still too much
to be fair I wasn't lucky on the first day
ancient minnow
Maybe you could try to ask for help on a forum related to mental health issues. I mean those people have experience with therapists and stuff. Maybe they can tell you about at least an online therapist that could help a little.
half mural
but it's been a consistent issue throughout all my attempts to get work
You're right; actually there are peer support Discord servers, I should join one of them
ancient minnow
You're right; actually there are peer support Discord servers, I should join one of them
@half mural yea try that. I think those people can recommend better things than we can. I for example don't have any experience in this area.
half mural
hmm, maybe you need to change your mindset. What you do in the code jam doesn't really matter outside the competition.
@rough sapphire it's not that easy ^^
I will try that petr
Thanks for the talk :)
ancient minnow
No problems😄
stone beacon
why chanel name change
graceful basin
off topic channel names change regularly
plucky ridge
You ever got a like... sensitive patch of skin but there's no visible reason why it should be that way?
gentle moss
yeah
stone beacon
no
plucky ridge
Have it on my side and I have no idea why
plucky ridge
I'd think that might be the case but it's been there for a couple days
And I'll only use the rotisserie bed if it also applies gravy
cold current
Rotisserie bed, lol
gentle moss
got new art for my fridge, fuck yeah
plucky ridge
This isn't the one you showed me the other day is it?
Because like....
Not sure if that's fridge worthy
quick ledge
nice
plucky ridge
Does the water dispenser not work or...
ancient minnow
His figure is just a little thirsty i think
gentle moss
the water dispenser does indeed not work
stone beacon
is java better then python some1 said java is better than python in another server
gentle moss
i even serviced it and its pace of water delivery is say uhhhh
the trickle of when you feel like you need a pee so go to have one but you kind of have to force what little there is out really hard
that sort of pace
ancient minnow
is java better then python some1 said java is better than python in another server
@stone beacon java is better for mobile app development
Or game development
But for game development in general i would use cpp
stone beacon
hmm ok
ancient minnow
Opengl
plucky ridge
Unity uses C#, for instance
ancient minnow
Unity uses C#, for instance
@plucky ridge yea but unity has not so much freedom in game development
ancient minnow
I think its a good basic to start with but it isnt that great for my needs
ancient minnow
Wow that looks pretty cool
plucky ridge
2005 according to wiki
undone berry
I don't know if haxe is a particularly sensible idea
it's not really quite reasonml
(that was meant to be a pun, not an actual point)
plucky ridge
That joke was the straw that broke the Ocaml's back
sand goblet
Maybe, it could have been since there's an HTML5 target
Also I love that game, it's one of my top games ever
plucky ridge
Currently playing it, just started a couple days ago
Well not like
Currently currently
You know what I mean
sand goblet
It's so well made, great soundtrack that seems to avoid common chords, great mechanics, very twisty
Hard to beat
plucky ridge
Just got the fire board
sand goblet
Ah nice, first dungeon down
plucky ridge
FUCK that boss
sand goblet
Hahaha
plucky ridge
Just the ice attack
sand goblet
If you think that was bad
plucky ridge
I didn't mind anything else, it was just that ice attack
gentle moss
[15:16] petr: I think its a good basic to start with but it isnt that great for my needs
sand goblet
Best advice I can give you
gentle moss
had you considered looking at id software's open source engines?
sand goblet
Learn how to make the best use of your dodge
You can chain three of them before it becomes unviable
plucky ridge
Yeah I did, and I figured out what I was doing wrong at the end
sand goblet
I think you'll like the next dungeon a lot
plucky ridge
Actually come to think of it, the only instance where I've felt slowdown was in checking the Quest menu
gentle moss
ah, my bad. they didn't open source id tech 5.
plucky ridge
Like when it's populating your current quests and stuff
sand goblet
I haven't noticed but it's been a while
plucky ridge
This is also on PS4, so it might be different
sand goblet
I'm waiting for the post-game dlc now
Ah right
Does it play well with a controller?
plucky ridge
Fuuuuuuuuck yes
sand goblet
I like the mouse for throwing
plucky ridge
Twin stick shooter, brah
plucky ridge
Yep, in which case it's just move and hit Square
It really does lend itself quite well to it
sand goblet
You can dodge out of the end of your combo btw
plucky ridge
Yep
sand goblet
So you're not stuck waiting before you can continue
plucky ridge
Been abusing that
plucky ridge
Mad at myself for losing to whats his nuts during our little duel. Should have gone back and gotten the equipment I wanted
plucky ridge
Oh I know but he even told me that I was underleveled and I was like "nah I'm good"
Think I lost 3 to 5
Which isn't terrible
sand goblet
I tend to be overlevelled at that point but he's still hard
plucky ridge
I wasn't doing the side quests, which I really should have
Was still getting a handle on all that
It's a lot to take in
plucky ridge
I might play around with Haxe, honestly...
sand goblet
It's an interesting toolchain
plucky ridge
Like even the proposed use-cases are compelling
One unified language that'll dump to what you need
Huh
You can use Haxe to compile to Python
That's...
Huh
Feels like a weird choice
round rose
I'm having trouble with seeing valid reasons to do that
plucky ridge
Static typing with a consistent language base
It's not purely a "make games" language like I had originally thought
round rose
That's true
plucky ridge
But yeah, targeting Python feels less compelling than other options
round rose
It feels really weird
If you need a python program, wouldn't it just be easier to, you know, write it in python
sand goblet
I dunno, I often feel like static typing would be helpful
plucky ridge
Yep, however you can then take that same Haxe codebase and target a different language or platform easily
From what I'm reading, any way
Will probably go down this rabbit hole for a couple weeks, knowing me
solid pollen
So umh
plucky ridge
Myeeeessss?
solid pollen
I need to build a tool inside a container
And this tool requires the kernel headers
solid pollen
But
Docker is using the host kernel
Because containers aren't a thing and all of that
And so, I need to be virtually able to install any kernel headers
and I have no idea how to tackle this issue
plucky ridge
#tools-and-devops might know
solid pollen
Plus I'm running a 32bits container, that doesn't help
plucky ridge
But it's far beyond my brain
undone berry
I gotta say - I just looked up how ships in bottles work, and they're pretty damn impressive
undone berry
Yeah - I remember seeing them made before, I'd just forgotten
I was kinda hoping for some trick like really they're all made of sponge
gentle moss
can't you just apt install -y linux-headers-$(uname -r)?
or volume map them to the container?
gentle moss
use the generic headers instead?
solid pollen
And linux-headers-5.4.52-1-MANJARO is apparently not a thing
The generic headers aren't available on i386 apparently, which I need for the jam
gentle moss
it sounds like you're in a little bit of a pickle
plucky ridge
@undone berry After thinking about it, even if they were made entirely of sponge, that'd still be hella impressive
Because that would be some masterful sponge sculpting
I think I need to cut back on caffeine again. Doc had me stop one of my meds and I think that's what was letting me drink caffeine alongside my ADHD med without too much interference
solid pollen
root@1bc9ef29e3c0:/minijail# apt-get install linux-headers-generic
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package linux-headers-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package 'linux-headers-generic' has no installation candidate```That's even worst lolBut now I'm almost instantly getting the shakes
Is there no pre-built docker container you can get or use?
gentle moss
that doesn't sound good hemmy
solid pollen
But if you want to run the app you'd have to download your own headers?
gentle moss
hmmm
solid pollen
Now that I think about it, I want to link a 32 bits program against a 64 bits kernel, that doesn't sound good
gentle moss
could use a build process to copy them to a base image or w/e
plucky ridge
I'm really impressed with how you've learned and grown, akarys
This is stuff all way beyond me, and it's really cool and impressive
I love watching people benefit from this server
It's inspiring. Makes it worth all the time spent
solid pollen
Ha thanks, I really appreciate that 😄
plucky ridge
Mustache in spirit only. Just shaved this morning
Was tired of looking like some horrible scraggly monster
gentle moss
i'm still trying to catch up to lemon
gentle moss
i've not done bad for like ~9 months
undone berry
is it possible to weigh a beard without cutting it off?
soft violet
I'm not sure I'd want to grow a beard that reached the ground, let alone one capable of covering it.
undone berry
I feel like weight is the best simple measure of beardness
soft violet
That is, while standing per the usual understanding. I'm not counting faceplants.
plucky ridge
Isn't a beard just a faceplant?
soft violet
Ha
plucky ridge
That you nurture and grow?
gentle moss
it weeds out whom are weak of wiry whiskers, waving their withered weary wisps in the wind
gentle moss
not really.
plucky ridge
Dang
gentle moss
i mean...
plucky ridge
Means my joke was wasted
gentle moss
we just got an old stocking and filled it with compost and grass seeds or w/e
plucky ridge
🎶 Sh-sh-sh-shitsock! 🎶
Still kind of works
Okay, something else I've noticed with this med removal. I have significantly more like... hand twitch typos
Getting rather annoying
gentle moss
takes time to adapt to them i guess
plucky ridge
Well... I'm like... minorly spooked, actually
The medication has a couple different applications
One is as a mood stabilizer, which is why I took it
The other was anti-seizure
So I'm worried that like... what if it also was repressing some other symptoms I didn't know about?
soft violet
Bears looking into.
gentle moss
it took me a few weeks going on / off SSRI's
plucky ridge
Thursday I believe. And yeah, I know I should wait it out
It's going to be the same deal regarding that, let it get out of my system
gentle moss
i would get this feeling i needed to stretch my muscles all the time
plucky ridge
Still got me mildly spooked
gentle moss
like a cramped tightness all over
plucky ridge
I was having little like.... I don't know, anxiety spasms shortly after stopping
But it's not so bad now
Just antsy to find another good medication blend so I can get back to business as usual
gentle moss
keep an eye on it, but i'm sure you'll be okay as you adapt to the new normal
plucky ridge
Tired of just scraping by emotionally. Yeah I know
I'm uber paranoid about my meds and the effects they have on me, and I've always been really really good about picking up on what they do to me
Might be why they never tried to put me on a placebo
gentle moss
i stopped my SSRI's at the start of the year and am still unsure if it was the best idea
gentle moss
they were initially to get me back on smooth ground after the thing and then after therapy i thought it might be a step forward
doctor seemed to agree but didn't say anything either way really
they kinda made thinking and focusing difficult, i think that was aggravating me
plucky ridge
Yeah that's always a trade-off
Do I want to potentially feel miserable due or not be able to think
gentle moss
it's like "yeah, sure, i'm more emotionally capable and stable now, but i can't use my brain properly"
plucky ridge
It's never really possible to claim a win in mental health
Just adjusting how the battle is fought
gentle moss
yeah
plucky ridge
Not the most uplifiting of messages but it's how I have to think of it
gentle moss
little things like lifestyle changes help. meditating helps a bunch.
starting to get that feeling i'm having to really force myself to do some basic shit again though
ah well, i'll just find something dangerous to make out of wood
got this little idea to make myself a shitty bandsaw type situation
soft violet
Burly blokes become better bedmates by bearing beautiful, bushy beards.
gentle moss
it's fun isn't it. ¬_¬
soft violet
It is.
plucky ridge
Okay, question
That emoji face, what emotion is it supposed to convey?
Because to me it just looks "done"
gentle moss
it's like a shifty side eye that can be deployed in multiple instances
plucky ridge
Ahhhh okay
gentle moss
sarcasm is the usual application
plucky ridge
Then I have likely misinterpreted it a multitude of times
I see it and hear "Ugh, THIS fuckin' guy..."
gentle moss
it could be that, i guess
i picked up using it off an old clan mate, digibob
it never really had one clear context or use
soft violet
Context dependant variable semantics.
Par for course for natural languages.
If you count emoji.
soft violet
Even more open to interpretation, given it's facial.
People can interpret a smiley face in many different ways.
gentle moss
facial huh ¬_¬
plucky ridge
Yeah I just can't see past the "done" face
soft violet
"Thank you for the report. :)" Could just be polite, or maybe the user of it is saying under their breath "Fuck, I wish you could just leave it the fuck alone, already, they're not hurting anyone. Smiley face so I don't come off as curt... :)"
gentle moss
that's why i prefer ascii emojis to emoticons
soft violet
Then some people pick up on that kind of usage...because it gets used at them often...I wonder why...and then even sincere uses of it become seen as disingenuous and snarky.
gentle moss
nothing quite got hit as hard as "xD"
plucky ridge
The poor storage media...
rancid forge
well i usually use :) as a way to either be like "heh i did a thing" or just because
but i have to type it as \:) because i have the thing where discord turns :) into 🙂 automatically
soft violet
So then you stop using them and try to be as neutral and formal as possible. "Are you a bot?" "No, I'm a person." "I want to talk to a real person" "Prick me, I bleed." "Fuck you, bot."
quick ledge
XDD
soft violet
Should braid it.
rancid forge
why would i do such a crazy thing of turning it off?
gentle moss
can't yet.
quick ledge
you can use it as a cup holder
rancid forge
hey bisk is it time to cook some bisque with you
gentle moss
for me i guess just growing up with ascii emojis and not liking the shift to graphics
the early emoji graphics were fucking awful
they're still pretty bad imo
rancid forge
im too lazy to look through my discord settings, and im used to typing it as \:)
gentle moss
then again my chosen platform for communicating with people until about ~3 years ago was IRC
rancid forge
well here's some css at its finest
ive always wanted to get into irc but it appears ded now
gentle moss
there's a whole wide world of IRC networks still in operation and active
it's just it's fallen out of favour in some communities compared to others
why use IRC for gaming pickups when discord can have bots plus has voice built in
quick ledge
TOP SECRET
rancid forge
nice double ping
discord notification sound intensifies
my internet also sucks so we're in the same boat
not literally, i'd rather not be in a boat with an almost complete stranger
it's rather easy to make bad css
is that correct
quick ledge
has anything been correct this year?
undone berry
Murica dates confused me for a sec. Thought you lost a month
undone berry
Yeah. That's pretty shitty
plucky ridge
I mean... in fairness, this whole pandemic thing has all delivery systems pretty messed up
Travel bans between states, countries, etc.
Not to mention having to spread workers out to keep them safe
rancid forge
what makes bisk so special that he/she/it/they/[other] gets to be in the list of possible off topic names
and are any of the mods or admins or owners in that list
cold current
Jealous? 😄
graceful basin
quite a few people are mentioned there
rancid forge
mostly i am curious but i am bad at not sounding rude/jealous/etc
gentle moss
hmm....
cold current
I'm joking around, no worries ;]
gentle moss
it's possibly that i've spent about 2 and 1/2 years in the community as a constant source of humour and help
and entertainment
rancid forge
i still know i often sound more rude than i intend
rancid forge
i haven't even been in many communities for 2 1/2 years
gentle moss
that comes with age.
to be honest i used to do a lot more streaming and promote some of it in here.
this ot title was from my cooking stream phase
rancid forge
do more cooking stream?
gentle moss
maybe one day.
rancid forge
i want to learn how to cook something and you seem like a trustworthy person to teach me
gentle moss
yeah, i don't really schedule content or anything though
sometimes i'm just like "oh hey, i'm in the mood to do X and set up a stream for others"
rancid forge
where do i go to watch you whenever you decide to stream
gentle moss
rancid forge
Now following
gentle moss
👍
next thing will probably just be me playing guitar or something if i can be bothered at some point
quartz hedge
oh wow this whole channel is named after you
gentle moss
nah, just the last 17hours of it.
plucky ridge
He's got a handful of off-topic names in the list, I think
gentle moss
you must got some big hands
foofighter hand syndrome
i used to have dreams when i was a kid that felt super vivid and they were about just my hands shrinking so objects became huge and impossible to handle
plucky ridge
Such an awesome dude
gentle moss
then the rain flooded my skylight windows and i couldn't grab the oar to paddle my bed down the white water rapids that my stairs had become
undone berry
gentle moss
such a drag he dropped
plucky ridge
Too soon
gentle moss
fuck you it was perfect
gentle moss
:D
undone berry
I'm trying to come up with something - and nothing I've got even comes close
plucky ridge
Took a second to click, though
round rose
.>
plucky ridge
Just barely managed to squeak that one past
undone berry
it really bites hard
round rose
like a small rodent
plucky ridge
Okay, now you're just padding for content
plucky ridge
Sturdy mice
gentle moss
yeah, i've done that once before
razer copperhead, shiny plastic
tense quake game
180 flick shot to mouse denting wall
gentle moss
i guess their sides are slippy
undone berry
oh - mine was more frustration than it was slideiness
gentle moss
ahhh
i used to sweat a lot in competition
like feel the beads of sweat run down from my arm pits
plucky ridge
Like a real man
plucky ridge
Que?
gentle moss
gentle moss
it often tickles me in a very specific way
plucky ridge
Finally, cleaner syntax
gentle moss
a way i don't find in many other places
gentle moss
hah
quick ledge
nicelier
ancient minnow
Yo ive got a question, is there a way to download/play netflix movies in a really crappy quality. Like 360p or smth like that?
rough sapphire
@ancient minnow Sure, get the mobile app
stone beacon
Any1 think dis gonna fly?
stone beacon
?
rancid forge
hey how big are those bananas, preferrably with a banana for scale
sand goblet
it's too heavy to go too far without an actual launcher
small fossil
strap a jet to it and easily
cold current
@sand goblet Elevation exists ;]
sand goblet
then it'll go down
cold current
But in style
rancid forge
okay new measurement idea
bananas
1 banana is the volume of an average banana
1 banana is also the weight of an average banana
1 banana is also also the length of an average banana, from one end to another in a straight line
1 banana is also also also the force it takes to get an average banana moving at one banana (length) per second from no velocity in a vacuum
cold current
I like it. My favorite part is the fact that 1 banana could literally be any unit of measurement
cold current
Oh?
rancid forge
because to get one banana in time it would require some other measurement tool
cold current
No, no. One banana is how long a banana takes to rot from perfectly ripe
rancid forge
one possibility would be that one banana may be the length of time that it takes for an average human to eat an average banana
or that could also work
but when is perfectly ripe
sand goblet
also in what environment
rancid forge
and also then we need to redefine banana (force)
sand goblet
like if it's in the fridge it'll go black far quicker
rancid forge
how is my definition for banana (time)
all we need is a lot of people and a lot of bananas to reasonably estimate 1 banana (anything but force)
for banana (force), use mathematics
ooh this could actually be done
sand goblet
if it's force then figure out how hard you'd have to slap it to cook it
rancid forge
that sounds like that'd be a lot of force
i think we should use "simple" methods for defining a banana as a unit of measurement
rancid forge
what if we asked them to calculate the force to push an average banana to get it to move at one banana (length) per banana (time) from being stopped in a vacuum
that way we could fully define a "universal'" unit of measurement
grand crow
Alrighty
This giant ass fucker just came along
rancid forge
unrelated note: i messed up on naming my commit message so now it just says "created done"
grand crow
I'm gonna capture it
rancid forge
glhf
cold current
I can see the others, but the last one seems a bit unrealistic.
scenic blaze
banana is obviously the time it takes to grow after a fresh harvest
rough sapphire
🙈 🙉 🙊
stone beacon
it's too heavy to go too far without an actual launcher
@sand goblet it flew
sand goblet
And then it dropped
rough sapphire
3 feet is still not that great when it comes to a paper airplane.
eternal wing
Is Java a good language?
eternal wing
My friend would like to stop learning python in order to learn Java and I'm trying to stop him, haha
I've only used it a few times
jolly sorrel
eternal wing
^thats what ive been saying.
He does not need it for work. He can use python for automation, so I would like to convince him he is wrong haha
eternal wing
Yeah, I know it is largely used. Is it worth learning for someone who does not wish to use it in an environment it is already used?
rancid forge
somehow a mod in minecraft tried getting an element from an ArrayList, which caused an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException. The index given? -36
somehow a mod decided it needed the negative thirty-sixth item in an array
my question is how
java's stacktraces are handy
but this is fabric so i don't know which mod broke
eternal wing
like, for my friend: he uses python for automation at work. Sorting files, sorting IT requests, scraping data from forms, etc
haha
My friend is under the impression that Java is a better language than python by default.
rancid forge
i think they're both about the same
lofty dirge
it depends on what you to do
if you want a job, it's not a terrible language to know
royal lakeBOT
According to the API, your request is malformed.
tame pier
!unsilence
royal lakeBOT
✅ unsilenced current channel.
strange barn
general got gone
empty jolt
lol ye
strange barn
general bacc
strange barn
choose
errant wyvern
Smoking in from of people, specially kids, is a huge symbol of disrespect.
It's like, aaaaaaaaaaaa, it hurts my body, imma fucking drown because of the smoke
It smells horrible and it's bad for your health
solid pollen
It can also contaminate you up to 10 meters, so that's even worst
errant wyvern
Imagine paying $10 dollars daily for cigarettes
For a month that's $300
With $300 you can buy something better than legal drugs
errant wyvern
That's fine, I guess
solid pollen
It took me a solid 5 minutes to understand who you were talking about haha
shell vapor
I smoke cigarillos. Bought a pack of 20 July 2019, and still have at least 5...
like, for my friend: he uses python for automation at work. Sorting files, sorting IT requests, scraping data from forms, etc
I would never replace Python with Java for that.
Java has its uses, and it's not a bad language per se, but it takes classes way way too seriously.
I guess in Python everything is an object and therefore a class, but at least it's abstracted.
undone berry
Java has the advantage of being alright and of everyone knowing it
so it's never gonna leave the enterprise world
shell vapor
I like not having to write 2 MB of class boilerplate just to print Hello world
undone berry
Kotlin really is the solution to many Java woes
But it's not used super widely in enterprise yet
although - I did recently learn that Tesco (biggest UK supermarket) uses it for their shit
shell vapor
Never used Kotlin. I have had to use Java, and I liked it (for the most part).
But if I can use python for the same feature, I will.
undone berry
Kotlin is completely interoperable with Java - and fixes up a lot of the verbosity
which is what I hated about Java
fun main() {
println("Hello World!")
}
no public static void main string args here
shell vapor
Also what was the build tool called? Maven?
Write another MB of XML just to get a jar lol
undone berry
There's maven and gradle
Maven is miserable and XML based
Gradle isn't near as bad
shell vapor
<project xmlns="http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0" yup, was Maven
undone berry
Both Maven and gradle have driven me insane before - I hate them both compared to Python or JS where things just seem to work
but ignoring the build tools
shell vapor
April 2019, so you can tell how 💩 my memory is 😎
undone berry
I absolutely love that when you run a Kotlin program, it just runs and is very probably correct
practically 0 runtime errors
no horseshit python problems
shell vapor
I haven't had cases where Python wasn't fast enough for my needs.
Or python problems...
undone berry
python's typing causes tonnes of headaches
shell vapor
I used to write a lot of C (to process hundreds of millions of SQL records) and never tried that in python.
Curious how that would perform.
And I can't say I've ever had serious problems because of python types...
Write tests, and don't pass Garbage In :p
undone berry
You can't always know if you're passing garbage in - tools like mypy exist for a reason, and they're alright, but not even close to actual static typing
shell vapor
>>> assert not isinstance(_in, Garbage)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
AssertionError
You can't be sure some janky external json will fit the expected format
shell vapor
try:
access some JSON property
except:
print("WHY YOU GARBAGE IN?")
😄
Alternatively...
try:
int(prop)
except ValueError:
print("Expected int, but got GARBAGE instead")
Not like using another language would magically fix the JSON.
But yes, validating data can often be complicated.
rough sapphire
Lmao thats so passive aggresive
shell vapor
Lmao thats so passive aggresive
try:
int(prop)
except:
delete(system32)
You're right. Have an aggressive-aggressive version 🙂
undone berry
Aggressive aggression is my favourite solution to passive aggression
topaz aurora
shell vapor
I wouldn't know about PyO3 lol
or rust
Sounds like a good python-related project for rust
small fossil
I got my ASGI beating Uvicorn with raw python and then i got fucked by the scaling
Which has been the cause of re writing this thing alteast 8 times now
shell vapor
I've done some async stuff in C
But that was.... 6-ish years ago.
Before I really got into python.
small fossil
I actually cant remember which version got to this point but yeah we started getting it very fast
The issue was when it came to multi core scaling
😔
shell vapor
GIL?
small fossil
this system is actually GIL independant
As rust was being a normal server with python just handling the response rather than the connections
Which gives a big advantage it latency and load terms
plucky ridge
Global Interpreter Lock
small fossil
but as i found out unbelievably difficult to scale because i now need to Sync Python up to the server
plucky ridge
Means that Python (normally) will only run on a single process at a time
small fossil
I dont see why people dislike the GIL soo much
sand goblet
I don't either
plucky ridge
Doesn't bother me
sand goblet
but it is a bit of a bugbear
I mean it does hold python back in some ways, but it grants it many advantages
small fossil
you'd have a hell of a time with thread safety if it wasn't tho
sand goblet
yeah that's the main reason it's there
mint lichen
hey, so I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I'm trying to build my first computer for (personal/student, not professional) deep learning and general calculation-intensive tasks (such as n-body simulations etc) and I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed... here's what I have so far, any advice? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bF3y6R
lofty dirge
CF8, I don’t understand it all but why multi core inside of single process instead of just multiple processes with load balancing
stone beacon
hmm
small fossil
@lofty dirge With multiple processes I cant (safely) transfer the connections, Because of the nature of sockets there isnt a predictable way of saying "this worker goes to this process" which when testing with more cores left some Rust threads not having available workers to send the requests to
A possible solution would have been Use Tokio's Threadpool scheduler rather than single threaded and have a lock to balance everything
But that has a massive impact on performance
So this system Im trying should let the rust workers run single threaded but allow me to sync up and move the python workers acordingly
lofty dirge
Why transfer the connection?
I do HTTP load balancing, connection stays with worker until it’s closed
lofty dirge
Occasionally you overload a worker but it works well most of time
shell vapor
||Damn, the slice operator is glorious.||
small fossil
I say thats the plan, but atm i still cant get this bitch to bind again
wet crane
are there any maths people here?
twilit hull
this a lie or nah
25 hours thats like 2 days
@wet crane i m stats peep with a little math
twilit hull
closed?
wet crane
yeah
twilit hull
definite integral?
wet crane
I think
wet crane
integration over a closed surface area
twilit hull
thats flux ithink
wet crane
yeah
graceful basin
ah, closed curve integral.
twilit hull
let me google lol
twilit hull
wait closed curve integral is dif than flux
twilit hull
wet crane
it is used for flux i meant
twilit hull
for flux you need double or triple integral let mecheck
wet crane
leave the flux part
wet crane
tell me how to do this closed integral thing mathematically
twilit hull
wait do you mean closed curve intergral or double integral?
this is flux which is just two integral nested together
wet crane
https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/740217153780973640 this is the thing. I am not so good in terminologies
twilit hull
wet crane
yep
twilit hull
so wiki says this is called a contour integral
let me check
ok fk this this is complex analysis
this page details how to integrate it
hum sounds ez
here is how to choose contour
the rest is pretty self explanatory i think
wet crane
Thanks
twilit hull
hope this helps lol
wet crane
I'll see
twilit hull
complex analysis is something id rather not touch
wet crane
Why?
twilit hull
not only is it useless its also time consuming
wet crane
actually I am studying Electric flux and came across this
oh
complex analysis is useless?
twilit hull
oh i meant for stats
wet crane
oh ok
twilit hull
my math major fren told me real analysis and complex analysis just studies the properties of real numbers complex nums etc
wet crane
Hmm
twilit hull
and he concluded that these are useless since he also took stats with me lol
twilit hull
so basically our overlapping stuff are just stats and numerical analysis
wet crane
U do stats or full math currently?
twilit hull
and since we both know almost nothing about applied physics we were not able to conclude if these are useful for physics
wet crane
Hmm
twilit hull
nice
i took one astromomy class
was dope
you custom define it in discord settings
you could change it to watever you want
its like 5sec google lol
wet crane
Or install a rich presense extension
twilit hull
where did you come across contour integral?
wet crane
Electric flux
twilit hull
i cant imagine physics peeps taking complex analysis
wet crane
I said earlier
twilit hull
youd do intro to analysis first
then to do that you d need intro to proofs etc
you guys should just be using wolfram matlab etc to compute instead of studying the properties of complex planes complex nums etc i feel like
wet crane
Actually we just put it like that
we just sum of the integrals for different parts of the surface
essentially the same result
lol
twilit hull
i feel like this is much easier
cuz you probbly wont need to implement it yourself lol
yeah you just divide into real part and img part then sum
wet crane
At this level, I dont even need complex numbers
twilit hull
lol
twilit hull
is the img part indicaton of flux directions?
im just randomly guessing here lol
dont really wanna read
twilit hull
i feel like the flux i was talking about is dif than your electric flux