ot1-perplexing-regexing

[gentle moss]

the music is very good though

but then so is the pirates music

[undone berry]

POTC is actually very good though

[rough sapphire]

On a different topic, you know a really well structured scene of a show?

[undone berry]

Countdown

that's very well structured

[gentle moss]

da da, duh da, duh dah duuu da

[rough sapphire]

The last bit of the last episode of the first season of Mr. Robot

[undone berry]

you get the letters rounds and the numbers round and the conundrum

[rough sapphire]

From when Alabama Shakes - Sound and Color plays

Very well executed

[quick ledge]

i still have 4 episodes left

[plucky ridge]

"A vowel please, Rachel."

[quick ledge]

but i havent watched in a really long time

[undone berry]

2 from the top and 4 from the bottom please

[quick ledge]

and ii have to pick it back up

[rough sapphire]

@quick ledge Four episodes of the entire show, or first season?

[gentle moss]

good choice charlie

that's a safe pick

[undone berry]

I think if it was on the BBC, I'd actually end up watching Countdown most days

[quick ledge]

enitre show

[stark prawn]

Shauny special.

[plucky ridge]

Is it not?

I thought it was BBC2

[quick ledge]

ik its weird that i have 4 episodes left

[gentle moss]

it's on channel twat

i mean channel 4.

[undone berry]

no, it's Channel 4

[rough sapphire]

@quick ledge Oooohhhh. You're in for... a lot.

[plucky ridge]

Oh huh

[stark prawn]

I've never seen the actual Countdown.

[plucky ridge]

Oh I know what I'm thinking of

[undone berry]

I can't cope with the ads

[stark prawn]

Just the one with comedians.

[plucky ridge]

I was thinking of How it's Made

[rough sapphire]

@stark prawn Is it the Final Countdown, though?

[quick ledge]

but i'll probably rewatch last season

[gentle moss]

no, countdown will never end

[plucky ridge]

8 out of 10 Cats Does Countdown

[gentle moss]

it's like football

it will never stop

[undone berry]

Countdown has been going on forever

[plucky ridge]

I've been binge watching the crap out of that

[rough sapphire]

I don't think anyone got my joke

[stark prawn]

We did.

[plucky ridge]

Oh we got it

[stark prawn]

It's a song.

[gentle moss]

my favourite episode was when richard whitely wore that tie and had his mic in the wrong place

it was excellent

[rough sapphire]

[undone berry]

2 November 1982 is when Countdown started

[rough sapphire]

looks up whatever Countdown is

[quick ledge]

3

[plucky ridge]

Nerd gameshow

[quick ledge]

2

1

[plucky ridge]

It's great

[gentle moss]

he wore a tie that said "Count"

[undone berry]

watch an episode of it - it's worth it

[gentle moss]

and the mic was over the O

[plucky ridge]

HA

That's magic

[gentle moss]

the problem with cats does countdown is it ruins all the rude results from actual countdown

[plucky ridge]

Sometimes

I like it when Rachel just arranges the rude ones while she's waiting

[undone berry]

Cats does Countdown is alright, but it's just the same shitty jokes - so it gets tedious quite quickly

[gentle moss]

a classic

[rough sapphire]

@quick ledge But yeah, feel free to @ me when you finish the season.

[plucky ridge]

@undone berry I'm easily pleased

[stark prawn]

cats does countdown does tend to get repetitive.
Haha, rachel can't dance, haha susy is a sex addict, haha john is boring, haha jimmy is a tax dodger

[plucky ridge]

So it's great for me

Well that's more Jimmy's gags

[quick ledge]

@quick ledge But yeah, feel free to @ me when you finish the season.
it wont be anytime soon though

[gentle moss]

this one was also good

he got a 6 letter word

[plucky ridge]

He's pretty tiring. Usually it's about what wacky thing Shawn has that night or the guests

[gentle moss]

Sean.

[plucky ridge]

Right, sorry

Damn, and I spelled it correctly the first time I wrote it, too

Should have gone with my gut

[rough sapphire]

@quick ledge That's fine. Whenever you get around to it.
Also, very minor musical spoiler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14LAAU8H4Rc 😄

[plucky ridge]

I just wish David Mitchell was on more often

Love that guy

[quick ledge]

not gonna click that

[undone berry]

I think what would be good is a bunch of comedians actually trying 100% seriously

with less of the gags, and more of the actual game - but some slightly serious shit talk in the mix

[gentle moss]

yeah, less scripted shite

do it properly

[plucky ridge]

I do like the mascot stuff

[plucky ridge]

And Joe

But again, I'm easily entertained

[undone berry]

@plucky ridge I think you'd enjoy Taskmaster

[plucky ridge]

I wish I could find a crap ton of QI

[stark prawn]

They've been uploading all the early seasons of taskmaster to youtube.

[plucky ridge]

The box sets are pricey

[gentle moss]

¬_¬

[stark prawn]

WILTY is also great.

[plucky ridge]

Yeah that's pretty fun

[gentle moss]

anyone not getting an 8 there, rip.

[undone berry]

WILTY feels very authentic which is good for a panelshow

[plucky ridge]

It's pure improv

[stark prawn]

I'm not great at the anagrams.

[gentle moss]

bob mortimer is probably my favourite on it

[plucky ridge]

That's what makes that one great

[stark prawn]

I see shat and my mind just can't get away from that.

[undone berry]

Bob Mortimer is just an incredibly funny human being

[plucky ridge]

I really cant tell if I like Lee or not

[gentle moss]

he is great

not lee, mortimer.

[undone berry]

then the fact he's led a ludicrous life just makes him a joy

[gentle moss]

yeah

[plucky ridge]

Back in a moment

[gentle moss]

like doing his own dental work on his kitchen counter in a gamer seat

[stark prawn]

The dental work thing is bonkers.

[gentle moss]

yeah

like after shit like that

how do you...

what are lies even?

[undone berry]

He 100% had me believing Chris Rhea taught him to put an egg in his bath

[gentle moss]

haha

funny fucker.

[quick ledge]

He 100% had me believing Chris Rhea taught him to put an egg in his bath
???

[stark prawn]

Outragous stories ending up being True.

[quick ledge]

cool

[stark prawn]

Theft and shrubbery.

how tf is that even True.

[gentle moss]

:D

[undone berry]

yeah exactly - he's such a crazy guy

[gentle moss]

"i'm hoping you'll beg our pardon, but we are in your garden."

[stark prawn]

Wearing halloween horror masks for warmth.

[plucky ridge]

Thoughts on Noel?

[gentle moss]

fielding?

[plucky ridge]

Yeah

[gentle moss]

"cooky"

[plucky ridge]

Sounds about right

[stark prawn]

i got him typecast as the goth from it crowd.

[plucky ridge]

Same

Although he's very versatile

Mighty Boosh is proof of that

[undone berry]

Could never get into The Mighty Boosh

[stark prawn]

He just feels so out of place in the great british bakeoff.

[plucky ridge]

True

@undone berry Same. My brother loves it, though

Also, am I the only one who can't stand Russel Brand?

[gentle moss]

nope

[plucky ridge]

Thank god

[gentle moss]

he's a fucking twat

unfunny and politically dangerous

[undone berry]

I think I just prefer non scripted stuff to scripted stuff - it almost always feels much more natural and funnier to me

[plucky ridge]

Foppish Caveman

[quick ledge]

He 100% had me believing Chris Rhea taught him to put an egg in his bath
sorry for the random link, but this line reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E

[gentle moss]

he literally told people not to vote because the system is broken

[plucky ridge]

Oh the carrot in a box thing was friggin great

[stark prawn]

James Acaster is quite funny.

[quick ledge]

theres part 2 too

[plucky ridge]

James is the one that acts too cool for school?

[gentle moss]

i'm just gonna say now that you should all watch stewart lee

just to get it out there

[wheat lynx]

James Acaster is another great one on WILTY imo

[undone berry]

Reading Brand's wikipedia page is an adventure

[stark prawn]

Cabbage wars.

[undone berry]

Brand was ejected from the GQ Awards show on 3 September 2013 after receiving the "Oracle" award. In his acceptance speech, he mentioned sponsor Hugo Boss' former business making uniforms for the Nazi regime. Brand said, "They [Nazis] did look fucking fantastic, let's face it" before he goose stepped across the stage in a comical imitation of the Nazi march.

I really don't like James Acaster at all

[rough sapphire]

I need coffee

It's not here

[stark prawn]

Or james veitch duck story.

[rough sapphire]

sorry to interrupt but I had to write this when I saw the channel name 😄

[wheat lynx]

I really don't like James Acaster at all
@undone berry
I could see someone not liking him, but I just think his style is great

[plucky ridge]

Yeah that didn't help my opinion on Brand, that's for sure

Acaster commits to the character, that's for sure

Just doesn't click to me

[undone berry]

I dunno - I think that Brand thing is just about on the acceptable side of edgy

[wheat lynx]

Acaster was pretty good on live at the apollo

[undone berry]

Feels like a fake character to me - that he's playing into it

which is of course true of most comedians, but with Acaster it's too strong

[gentle moss]

one of the reasons i like lee tbh.

[plucky ridge]

He's very himself, that's for sure

[gentle moss]

not lee mack.

[plucky ridge]

Derp, right

[undone berry]

Stewart Lee

[gentle moss]

he's just northern.

[wheat lynx]

The start of this one is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89E_zW1qIM8

[plucky ridge]

HA

[undone berry]

David Mitchell has a pretty strong character but also manages to remain authentic I feel

[gentle moss]

yeah

[plucky ridge]

Well some of it is just him

[stark prawn]

I also like victoria's character on gameshows.

[plucky ridge]

He just blends it incredibly well

Have they ever been on a panel show together?

[gentle moss]

yes

[wheat lynx]

Yeah they were on WILTY iirc

[gentle moss]

and QI

[plucky ridge]

Hmm, I have to track those down

I'm always curious how they interact

[wheat lynx]

Ah haven't seen that. The WILTY one was great

[gentle moss]

the QI episode was before they were married, iirc.

[plucky ridge]

Ah okay

[gentle moss]

which sort of makes it more fun to watch

[plucky ridge]

Is it a very "daww, he likes her" kind of thing?

But like.... In a Mitchell sort of way?

[undone berry]

They had an episode on WILTY where they were dating or engaged, but it wasn't public knowledge

then they also did an episode more recently

[plucky ridge]

Ah, gotcha

[wheat lynx]

Interesting, I think I've only watched the more recent one

[gentle moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj2LcKdRU0o

bit of a long bit, but good comedian.

[stark prawn]

Long jokes can be good.

There's this stupid horse joke by benjamin wheeler.

[undone berry]

I feel like to enjoy standup, I have to go in in the right frame of mind

[gentle moss]

yeah

[plucky ridge]

Yeah same

Improv I'm down for but rehearsed stuff needs me to be ready to absorb it.

[gentle moss]

i've just spent 20 minutes working out how to get powershell to play a wav file when a USB stick is put into a computer

my coworkers are going to love me.

[quick ledge]

We're no strangers to love....

you know the rules, and so do I

[gentle moss]

pfft, that's weak

i'm sure there's something i could find that's more appropriate for inserting media

[quick ledge]

pron

maybe

[gentle moss]

filthy mind.

tsk tsk tsk.

[quick ledge]

since I see the word appropriate

church songs perhaps

[stark prawn]

Self destruct sequence initiated.

[gentle moss]

hah

nice grote.

[quick ledge]

nice

[gentle moss]

i was thinking prostate exam.

[quick ledge]

We're no strangers to love....
you know the rules, and so do I

this still applies then

[gentle moss]

no.

[quick ledge]

yes sir.

yes dad.

[gentle moss]

it's not funny and never was.

it wasn't even that irritating.

it's a good song.

[quick ledge]

i agree

[stark prawn]

The irritating part was browser api's that still existed back then.

That allowed you to relocate and resize windows using js.

[gentle moss]

hmmm yes.

[rough sapphire]

bruh

[plucky ridge]

I'm so very glad they cracked down on that crap

I think that's also why I'm so wary about JS having control of stuff

We've seen the havoc it can cause, and that was just popups

Really spooks me when I think about the possibilities that WASM will bring

[gentle moss]

there's the powershell btw, nothing impressive

maybe i should just make it a small sound

so they don't notice it immediately

[stark prawn]

WASM should need your permission for hardware access

[gentle moss]

every work PC has our remote management agent on it

[plucky ridge]

It should but that doesn't mean it's not potentially worrisome

Wait, bisk is that just a thing that'll make a dingdong noise when a USB device is plugged in?

[gentle moss]

like a fade in / fade out of a high pitched squeal

well, it'll make whatever noise i want

[plucky ridge]

Sure

[gentle moss]

just point it at another wav file.

[plucky ridge]

A Wilhelm Scream for example

[stark prawn]

The pikachu sound from pokemon yellow.

[undone berry]

Have it make a wilhelm scream 1/10 times

[gentle moss]

but also make it really faint

so they might not notice it

this could last months

[undone berry]

Yeah. Have it so they hear it, but aren't sure so they replug it

[plucky ridge]

Force it through the computer tower's internal speaker

[undone berry]

But then it won't happen

[gentle moss]

internal speakers? what is this the 90's?

[plucky ridge]

You'd be surprised how many still have them

I know I am

[gentle moss]

the modern dells have actual speakers in them

[plucky ridge]

HP's do as well

[gentle moss]

rather than the beep boop ones

so it does all the sounds

[plucky ridge]

Which makes the random screaming even better

[gentle moss]

problem is everyone's on slightly different hardware

so i'm not sure how i'd cope with that

[plucky ridge]

Neither would they

[gentle moss]

hah

[plucky ridge]

Ideally you'd only do it on like one person

And shut it off maybe once or twice a week

So they begin to question whether it's really happening or not

[gentle moss]

a really long wav file of a squeal that starts off very quietly and as time goes on it gets louder and louder until it's disturbingly distorted and glitchy

[plucky ridge]

Like still implement the 1 out of 10, but then there's one day where it just never does it

[stark prawn]

Everyone should have a mobo speaker.

[plucky ridge]

That REALLY fucks with people

[stark prawn]

How else would you know if you pressed backspace in an empty terminal?

[gentle moss]

touch the screen

[plucky ridge]

Oooo

Idea

Beep codes that are just a voice telling you what the issue is

Or telling you a error code number

Probably a profound waste of memory, though

[gentle moss]

that'd be nice

no reason you can't heavily compress that into flash memory.

wedge it in a bios

[plucky ridge]

True

Would be a hell of a lot easier to diagnose

Rather than having to painfully count beeps and lengths

[stark prawn]

high end mobos come with a screen that shows the error num

[plucky ridge]

Consumer grade ones?

[stark prawn]

Yes

[plucky ridge]

Huh, I'm way out of touch then

I've never heard of that

[quick ledge]

the future is now old man

[plucky ridge]

Huh, I'll be damned

That's really cool

[gentle moss]

those are good ones

[plucky ridge]

Just have to pray you don't have more than 100 potential errors

[gentle moss]

number displays

hah

[plucky ridge]

I guess you could do hex

Get you up to.... 128?

Is that right?

[quick ledge]

D and 0 will look similar

[plucky ridge]

Ah, fair

Didn't think that through

[quick ledge]

so lower case d perhaps

[plucky ridge]

B and 8 as well

[gentle moss]

you remember those LED scrolling text boards?

[stark prawn]

There's 18 lights, so 18 bits.

[gentle moss]

just stick one of them on a mobo

[stark prawn]

nvm I can't count.

It's 14

[quick ledge]

ah nice

[stark prawn]

!e print(2**14)

[royal lake]

@stark prawn :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

16384

[plucky ridge]

Shows what I know

So that's assuming that we're using individual light bars and combinations there of rather than symbols or numbers?

I guess if you have a chart that wouldn't be too bad

Still much easier than trying to hear out the beep code

[quick ledge]

a long ass chart

[plucky ridge]

Eh, you can easily section it out

[quick ledge]

a long ass sectioned out chart then

[stark prawn]

That's using every avaiable permuation yes.

[plucky ridge]

OH oh oh, you could do a table

[gentle moss]

no

no no no no

[plucky ridge]

Yes

[quick ledge]

a long ass table

[gentle moss]

why would you make it worse

[quick ledge]

this is the hill im willing to die on

[plucky ridge]

Because I'm secretly evil and this is how I show it?

[stark prawn]

Imagine your mobo coming with a list of 16384 possible errors.

[plucky ridge]

You could really get down to specific transistor burn outs

Or at least groups

Not that it'd be useful, mind

[stark prawn]

{specific gpu model} is not supported

[quick ledge]

wow

that will be the day

[stark prawn]

Right now they are having problems with mobos not having enough memory to support even all the am4 cpus.

[gentle moss]

rofl

[plucky ridge]

They skimp on the rom

Oooooooo..... I think I can make this into just 2 methods....

[stark prawn]

What are you working on?

[plucky ridge]

The Excel add-in thingy. Swapped over to VSTO so I'm having to write it in C#. I think I came up with a way to handle all the button events in one handler rather than individual button methods, although the trade off is that I'll be making a big ol' switch case

Which, eh

There are much worse things I could be dealin' with

[stark prawn]

Not sure i'd see only using 2 methods as an win there.

[plucky ridge]

Well, there's 33 buttons

Actually yeah, true..

Hm

I've got to chew this over

[solid pollen]

Switch cases for input handing is pretty okay tbh

But why not using one method per button?

[plucky ridge]

Because all the buttons do the same thing; they add an image to the document

Just a different image

So literally all each individual method is going to do is just pass the filepath of the image they represent to the method that applies it to the doc

[stark prawn]

Oh, so it's just a single variable set in the switch case then.

[plucky ridge]

Exactly

[stark prawn]

Or if possible like we would do in pythonland, a dict.

[plucky ridge]

Yep. Should be the same level of speed, though

[stark prawn]

images[eventsource]

[plucky ridge]

After 5 potential cases in a switch, C# turns it into a hashmap anyway

[scenic blaze]

Rofl

I love the OT title

[quick ledge]

what's up with #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare though?

[stark prawn]

salt gang

[plucky ridge]

We've got a couple members on the staff that have salt as part of their name

[quick ledge]

oh ok

salt-die

[plucky ridge]

Yep and salt rock lamp

Although he's typically set to invisible

[quick ledge]

he could be anywhere

does Corey Schaffer ever say anything?

in this server

[stark prawn]

Yes

[quick ledge]

great dude.

[stark prawn]

You can from: CoreyMSchafer#3498 in the search

Oh, over one and a half year ago it seems.

[plucky ridge]

Not overly surprising. Busy guy

[quick ledge]

I've seen him online a few times

[plucky ridge]

We do have a handful of community folks that are fairly active, though

[quick ledge]

not that I'm stalking him

[plucky ridge]

Which is awesome

[stark prawn]

Ned is the one that's quite active I was thinking of I think.

[quick ledge]

i stalk hem

[plucky ridge]

That's fair

I do, too

[quick ledge]

ah you stalk hem too

[plucky ridge]

But I sometimes wonder if Hem is following me

We're both in the same places all the time

It's creepy

[gentle moss]

the deaf leading the blind

[stark prawn]

I haven't seen anyone following you the last few days Hem.

And i've been keeping a very close eye.

[plucky ridge]

Well played

[quick ledge]

nice bro

[gentle moss]

it's worse when you're following yourself but then turn a corner and they're gone.

[stark prawn]

Trust no one, not even yourself.

[quick ledge]

I only trust Grote

[stark prawn]

Wouldn't recommend that.

[plucky ridge]

I think he's a good guy

[quick ledge]

ok fine bro. I trust you. @Grote#9566

[plucky ridge]

@gentle moss For some reason what you said made me think of this song: https://youtu.be/Ro_u6AhcGYo

[quick ledge]

whoops

didnt mean to ping

[gentle moss]

tmbg 👌

[plucky ridge]

Love them

@quick ledge If you create a mention when you edit it doesn't actually ping them

It's only on the initial message sent that it'll trigger

[quick ledge]

ohhh ok

thanks for the info

[plucky ridge]

It will highlight the message for them, though

But no ping

[quick ledge]

ok

[plucky ridge]

Yeah it's not super intuitive, but it does help prevent spamming someone accidentally when messages get edited multiple times.

[quick ledge]

hmm

[gentle moss]

"i know it's crashed but don't reboot the whole server."

"okay."

"huh... interesting... it's back up."

"yeah, i rebooted the server."

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[quick ledge]

"yeah, i rebooted the server."
you weren't supposed to do that!

[gentle moss]

i wanted to see what crash state it was in

:/

[plucky ridge]

No logs?

[gentle moss]

well, my theory is that it isn't "crashed"

that it's just under heavy load somehow

[plucky ridge]

Makes sense

[gentle moss]

when some requests are run

but only that container.

[plucky ridge]

And who was the twat that restarted it?

[quick ledge]

why use logs when you can crack your head thinking what went wrong

[gentle moss]

so in rebooting it, he didn't just reboot the hung container

he rebooted everything we were running

yay.

well that's work over for today

[plucky ridge]

Employee of the month right there

[quick ledge]

More like future CEO material

[scenic blaze]

How are folks doing? Got your coffee yet?

[tight meadow]

Coffee tastes bad so no

[scenic blaze]

O_O

[tight meadow]

but I'm doing great how about you?

[scenic blaze]

Who let this heathen into this sacred space

[plucky ridge]

Went with an unhealthy amount of soda instead

[tight meadow]

ew soda

[scenic blaze]

Pretty good. I have daily progress reports with my boss and my one yesterday was kind of bad news, but today's news is much better

[tight meadow]

that's good

[plucky ridge]

What was the bad yesterday and the good today?

[scenic blaze]

Bad yesterday was we can't read this file because there has never been any documentation for it and the company hates us. Today is, we can now read every file type besides that and I can improve a lot of the digital filters they were using previously.

[plucky ridge]

Solid

[scenic blaze]

They were all optimized for memory and time, which means performance suffered. But we have more memory overhead now so we can use higher performance once 👍

[tight meadow]

that's good

sounds like your problem just resolved itself

[plucky ridge]

And there's nothing to say they can't be finetuned as things continue on

[scenic blaze]

Yup

Which hopefully makes them hire me on full time instead of just being an independent contractor

[tight meadow]

well I hope you get hired

[scenic blaze]

Thank you. Me too.

Also, I'm not sure why I'm so proud of this small simple bit of code, but I am

ext = file.split(".")[-1]

It's just so beautiful

[tight meadow]

I've experienced the same thing too

[plucky ridge]

Is that using pathlib?

[tight meadow]

just yesterday I wrote GetComponent<Camera>().orthographicSize = Screen.height/(64*2);

sorry my c# is bad

but I am somewhat proud of this

[stark prawn]

os.path.splitext exists

[graceful basin]

.suffix or .extension using pathlib iirc

[plucky ridge]

I think there's a function or method in pathlib that specifically gives you the file extension

That one

That's the one I was thinking of

[stark prawn]

Your method doesn't work for hidden files.

It will show the file name as the extention.

[graceful basin]

!d pathlib.PurePath.suffix

[royal lake]

`pathlib.PurePath.suffix`

PurePath.suffix```
The file extension of the final component, if any:

```py
>>> PurePosixPath('my/library/setup.py').suffix
'.py'
>>> PurePosixPath('my/library.tar.gz').suffix
'.gz'
>>> PurePosixPath('my/library').suffix
''

[stark prawn]

And it won't work if you have folders with dots in them in the path

[frozen crane]

I don't know much about hardware. Does ram go bad relatively fast? My computer can run pretty resource intensive games but I have to close everything else.

[graceful basin]

RAM is pretty endurant

[tight meadow]

It depends on what you bought

[frozen crane]

And if I'm working and I have pycharm and a browser open, I'm pretty much doomed.

[tight meadow]

but it can endure a while

[frozen crane]

Also I had to uninstall chrome because it eats everything.

[scenic blaze]

@plucky ridge Nah, that's not from pathlib. It makes sense that something like that exists, I just came up with that on the fly, haha

[tight meadow]

and if it did fail, it's the easiest pc component to install

as long as you got a compatible kit of ram

[scenic blaze]

Ugh, my current project kills my cpu/ram. I used to listen to music on my computer while I worked, now I need an external device

[frozen crane]

It's a laptop so I can't really mess with the internals. I plan to build a desktop when I finish school.

[tight meadow]

oh, then rip

I don't know that much about laptop ram

but I think it can last awhile

[graceful basin]

Mine has worked with 0 issues for the past 8 or so years

[frozen crane]

Just now I accidentally committed a file that was too large and pycharm freaked out.

I had to do a hard reboot.

And it takes forever to boot.

[tight meadow]

does your laptop have a spinning drive or an SSD?

[honest star]

How much RAM do you have?

[frozen crane]

Is there a bash command to check that?

[gentle moss]

free

free -h for human readable format.

[frozen crane]

Git bash doesn't have that for windows apparently. Also it's windows because games.

[gentle moss]

oh my bad, i assumed linux

idk why.

[tight meadow]

then check task manager

[frozen crane]

Well, I did ask for bash.

[gentle moss]

oh, not my bad then.

[frozen crane]

Woo I opened task manager and it's already not responding.

[tight meadow]

apperantly, in windows CMD (I just looked this up I don't know if this is right) to find info about your ram you would type wmic MEMORYCHIP get BankLabel,DeviceLocator,Capacity,informationSpeed

[frozen crane]

I might back everything up and wipe everything, then install windows education and mint

[tight meadow]

yeah it sounds like windows is too heavy for your computer

so that sounds like a smart idea

[frozen crane]

I mean, it's a gaming laptop

[tight meadow]

but you can't open task manager?

[frozen crane]

It's three years old though.

[tight meadow]

ok that makes sense

[frozen crane]

I might be able to now.

[tight meadow]

ok good luck

[frozen crane]

It says the memory is 7.9gb

[scenic blaze]

Yeah, I'm using a gaming laptop so I thought I'd be fine on memory, until I started processing large batches of EEG data

Now my computer just cries at me

[tight meadow]

so you have around 8gb of ram

[frozen crane]

I thought it would be higher.

[tight meadow]

a lot of laptops have 8gb of ram

[scenic blaze]

That's not bad

[tight meadow]

Ik

[frozen crane]

Is it normal to have like 16 on a desktop?

[tight meadow]

yes

or at least modern desktops

[frozen crane]

How much do rams usually cost per gb?

And is it a linear curve?

[tight meadow]

if you built your own pc, 16gb of ram would be on like a 500 dollar pc

and it depends on the brand

[stark prawn]

16gb would have been 200 dollars not too long ago

[graceful basin]

16G goes for about 60-80 USD

[tight meadow]

the brand, ram speed, latency, and size all impact cost

16gb would have been 200 dollars not too long ago
@stark prawn RAM has gotten cheaper, or it did until corona happened

[honest star]

You could probably see if you can upgrade the RAM on the laptop. I've gone from 6 -> 16 GB on my work laptop

[stark prawn]

16 is a good amount for a mid to high end macine.

[frozen crane]

I had my old laptop for five years, I think. I think it only lasted that long because I had to wipe the operating system three times

I assume that fixes some software weirdness?

[tight meadow]

it gets rid of bloat I guess

[gentle moss]

16GB isn't "baseline"

i'd say 8GB is baseline

and 4GB is lower spec

[tight meadow]

I just checked, 16 gb of ram (this depends where you live) can go for 50 USD

[graceful basin]

8G is barely enough those days

50 is low

[gentle moss]

yeah but you're not a normal user

[tight meadow]

8gb of ram is fine if you know how to conserve

[gentle moss]

it's fine for most people

[lofty dirge]

8GB is fine for normal users

16 GB of RAM for most power users.

[gentle moss]

my 16GB cost me far too much when i got it :|

[lofty dirge]

32+ for certain games and data crunching

[tight meadow]

16+ is for anyone who has special needs

[honest star]

_> I'm actively considering going for 32 because I've hit 16 a lot recently

[tight meadow]

my 16GB cost me far too much when i got it :|
@gentle moss that's rough buddy

[gentle moss]

that's how technology works

i built this PC like +6 years ago

[lofty dirge]

My gaming rig has 32 but that’s because DCS is a hog

[graceful basin]

32 is nice if you're doing any heavier programming in Haskell/purescript/node/rust/...

Those compilers eat ram

[tight meadow]

What I don't get is how you people run out of ram so fast?

[gentle moss]

16gb is the minimum i'd take

[frozen crane]

Pycharm

[gentle moss]

split 8gb between host and guest

[lofty dirge]

Are they out of RAM or not

[gentle moss]

virtual machines is how i eat my ram

nom nom nom

[tight meadow]

I had atom, unity, spotify, google chrome, activity monitor, and discord open all at the same time without eating 8gb of ram

[lofty dirge]

Most people can’t read Windows RAM in task manager

[honest star]

rendering, vms, photo + graphic design editting, heavy simulations are my culprits

I also reguarly run 100+ tabs in Chrome

[frozen crane]

Also it looks like my computer uses 4.2 gb of ram as a baseline

[gentle moss]

if you're opening +100 tabs in Chrome i think you should go to a support group

you have a problem and it's you, not the RAM

[tight meadow]

you only need 20 chrome tabs

[frozen crane]

Not sure what's using so much in the background, unless windows be like that.

[honest star]

=3c When I do research I DO research

[gentle moss]

win10 shouldn't consume 4.2gb idle.

[lofty dirge]

Let me pull up my Minecraft server

[graceful basin]

tabs on chrome, Everytime I compile things it goes to 100. I also run an WSL2. And MC/HOI4 also run out

[gentle moss]

win10 should consume maybe 2gb with nothing else open

[tight meadow]

maybe 3gb

[gentle moss]

eh, no.

2gb. :3

[graceful basin]

I like my ram filled, but it should not be running out ideally.

[gentle moss]

idle win10 isn't that hungry.

[tight meadow]

I guess, but it's still much more hungry than other osses

[lofty dirge]

not really

most of applications are that hungry

[tight meadow]

and how much it consumes idle, depends on your max memory

[frozen crane]

Having discord running in the background uses almost 200mb

[lofty dirge]

discord is Hog

[tight meadow]

discord will chew ram up like it's a three course meal

[graceful basin]

Ram usage is irrelevant until you start running out. And windows can squish itself into ~.7G

[frozen crane]

I hen there's just tons of stuff using like five.

[graceful basin]

Which is pretty good considering how much it does

[lofty dirge]

Windows server is even better

[tight meadow]

what you don't want is to use all of your ram, because then it will start using your storage device

and that's no bueno

[frozen crane]

I wish I knew what all of these processes do

[gentle moss]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-shia-labeouf-snl-skit-fingers-gif-4860090

[tight meadow]

how much ram does pycharm use?

[graceful basin]

.3-1.5G

[frozen crane]

Not sure atm

[graceful basin]

Depending on the number of open projects

[tight meadow]

.3-1.5G
@graceful basin Damn daniel

[graceful basin]

Mine generally uses .5G

3 projects

[tight meadow]

jesus christ

[lofty dirge]

here is one of my domain controllers with a 24000 AD objects

[frozen crane]

I guess I should make a mint partition for programming and install pycharm there

[tight meadow]

make sure linux is compatible with your laptop first

then yes

[lofty dirge]

Why Mint? So you don't have to run WSL?

[graceful basin]

Weak laptop, mint is as light as convenient distros get

[frozen crane]

That's what I use on my work computer.

[lofty dirge]

And here is Minecraft being well, Minecraft

[tight meadow]

lubuntu if you are really struggling

[lofty dirge]

good job java for asking 2x RAM you really need

[frozen crane]

Is that the JVM?

[graceful basin]

The JVM is quite interesting with ram

[frozen crane]

I don't really get the point of the JVM. How is having a different vm for every operating system better than having a compiler for each operating system?

[tight meadow]

I think the idea is that any user can run your code as long as they have java on their computer

or something like that

[graceful basin]

You can distribute the same file everywhere

[tight meadow]

and compiling for every OS sounds like a royal pain in the ass

[graceful basin]

And you get consistent "dynamic libs"

Rather than having 3 dependincies which each install differently depending on os

[frozen crane]

Isn't compiling for every os what python does?

[lofty dirge]

cpython yes

and JVM is compiled

[graceful basin]

Yes, and it does tend to be a pita. Because you need to test everything one per os

[lofty dirge]

but for example, if you compile for RISC/CISC, certain things could break, JVM ensures something that doesn't work in RISC in certain way, will be worked around

[frozen crane]

I'm taking the programming language class and the os class this year. I should probably revisit this question after that.

I'm still going to hate Java though.

[graceful basin]

Get a good IDE (intelliJ idea) which writes the boilerplate for you

And make sure to use 14 and use var

[lofty dirge]

compiling is a PITA and why people prefer languages that don't compile in many cases

[frozen crane]

I think I've taken all the classes that use Java already

So I'm hoping I can uninstall Intellij

But in the operating system class we have to write an os emulator.

[tight meadow]

Java is cool in the fact that it's portable, but (in my humble opinion) it sucks to write

[lofty dirge]

C#/Java/Python

[graceful basin]

I honestly don't get the hate for java. It is not amazing, but I never felt irritated writing it

[lofty dirge]

but it's also downside which is why you see more modern compiled languages as well like Golang/Rust

[frozen crane]

I feel like Java treats you like you're four years old.

[tight meadow]

the syntax makes me want to die

[lofty dirge]

from my SRE point of view, EVERYTHING around Java is nightmare

[tight meadow]

luckily, I don't write Java anymore

[lofty dirge]

Tomcat is shit, Bootstamp is annoying, ask Equifax about nightmare that is Apache Struts and patching

[tight meadow]

we should just make our own programming language

[lofty dirge]

oh yea, Java Spring

not to mention main Java JVM is Oracle and what a licensing nightmare

[graceful basin]

These days you are supposed to use openJDK afaik and Oracle is enterprise only afaik

[lofty dirge]

I mean, my problem is our java developers are just so so

so they use what they know which is Oracle JVM

[graceful basin]

Understandable

[devout wigeon]

is there some docs on how does ftp servers work (i mean, upload & download commands etc.)

[lofty dirge]

Google?

FTP is well documented protocol

[devout wigeon]

ok

[graceful basin]

Is anyone here familiar with the card game Mao (the "rule 1 is you do not talk about the rules of the game of Mao" game)

[plucky ridge]

I don't but my friend Tyler Durden might

[sand goblet]

Mao

Sounds like the noise cats make

[plucky ridge]

Also what you say when you want to get a chair, man

[sand goblet]

Wat

[plucky ridge]

Chairman Mao

[sand goblet]

Oh damn

Well played

Haha

[plucky ridge]

Not well enough

[graceful basin]

Seriously, where the hell did the guy who told me about it get it from. I have yet to see anyone who knows it

[plucky ridge]

My Fight Club reference also died in the water

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(card_game)

Is it not this?

[gentle moss]

i got it, just not... not that good.

[plucky ridge]

Yeah I know....

I've got a headache, that's my excuse

Creeping behind my eye so it might go to migraine town

[gentle moss]

ouch

have you tried the edward norton solution?

[plucky ridge]

Going to see if Ibuprofen works first

Then I'll probably go down that road

[gentle moss]

you're right, destroying all the financial firms would probably just create a bigger headache

[plucky ridge]

It may come to that

We'll have to see

[lofty dirge]

?

[gentle moss]

fight club reference.

[lofty dirge]

yep, it took me a few minutes

I haven't seen fight club in forever

[gentle moss]

it was also a pivot from blowing your own jaw off to destroying the financial industry.

i haven't seen it in a while. i think i read the book last rather than watching it

[lofty dirge]

you cannot kill a hydra

[gentle moss]

the book is more messed up

[plucky ridge]

@lofty dirge No but you CAN make it pass out if you force it to generate enough heads

[gentle moss]

"oh such low blood pressure i'm gonna faint"

[plucky ridge]

Exactly

[round rose]

Let it get so many heads it loses the ability to function

[undone berry]

look - this is clearly a dumb point for me to make

but

if a hydra can have low blood pressure

[plucky ridge]

I think I got that joke from Order of the Stick

[undone berry]

then it can run out of blood

if it can run out of blood

[gentle moss]

huh...

[undone berry]

it can die

[gentle moss]

so what you're saying charlie is

[plucky ridge]

Except that they don't bleed when decapitated, apparently

[gentle moss]

if it bleeds we can kill it

[plucky ridge]

Instant cauterization I think? I might be like 8000% wrong

[undone berry]

not necessarily. It could bleed but never run out of blood

[gentle moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlicWUDf5MM

if you've not seen it, it's great.

[sand goblet]

So what you're saying is

You cut off enough heads to make it pass out

[plucky ridge]

GET TO THE CHOPPA

[sand goblet]

Then you get a really long tube and extend its ateries by a couple miles

[undone berry]

the only person who is qualified to talk about killing Hydras

is

Heracles

[sand goblet]

Hercules

[plucky ridge]

Charlie's is most correct without going over

[sand goblet]

No I know

[round rose]

Heracles and his buddy with a torch that was cauterizing the wounds so it won't grow the heads

[sand goblet]

I just wanted to get that song stuck in someone's head

[gentle moss]

that guy did such a good job of making arnie movies musicals

[plucky ridge]

Oh THAT'S what it was

Couldn't remember

[gentle moss]

hat tip

[lofty dirge]

sorry, I was thinking more practical about how everyone bitches about banks but then takes out huge loans for stupid stuff

we get credit snapshots, it's scary

[plucky ridge]

But yeah, in the Order of the Stick, they just kept lopping the heads off until it passed out, then someone set up a restaurant where they just kept lopping the heads off and grilling the head and neck meat.

[undone berry]

no

it's Heracles

oh

i'm late

it's been covered

[plucky ridge]

I gotchu

[sand goblet]

Haha

[plucky ridge]

Good, I think I can finish this add-in off and then call it a day

Just need a bit more time to do some grunt work

Jesus I wasted so much time on the other version..... And this took me, what, 3 or 4 days?

Tops?

[honest star]

Do you think it being faster this time around is partially due to you having done some of the work already? Albeit in a different platform/way?

[plucky ridge]

Eh.... minorly. I mean it's a completely different language and API set

The method of delivery is just much more straightforward

[round rose]

For every member killed they hired two more

[plucky ridge]

Interns

[round rose]

"Quantity > quality"
© Hydra

[scenic blaze]

Python has gotten really good at murdering my CPU

That's not a problem if the eventual product is hosted on the cloud, right? I'm just running it on my laptop

[small fossil]

Hi Have i ever introduced you to this amazing system called Rust lifetimes + borrowing. It does this amazing thing where you have todo this thing just to compile even tho it makes no sense 🎉 The magic of random

😩 This makes me so sad

[wheat lynx]

Still, it's worth it for the benefits it gives. It's what makes Rust so great

Then again, I barely know rust so don't really know what I'm on about

But I know the basics of lifetimes and borrowing and stuff, and it seems pretty cool

I'm still working my way through the Rust book

[small fossil]

i must say altho moments like this are a bit confusing

I enjoy rust so much

maybe even a little bit more than python

but then i do alot of python every day so ig its nice working at the low level and thinking hard

[fervent dock]

Unrelated, but did you know that a lot of young people circumvent capitalization and punctuation corrections on smartphone keyboards to make their messages look more informal?
@frozen crane I think I do this lol

I just don't like when my phone corrects me on anything, I don't use any autocomplete or autocorrect, always found it frustrating

[frozen crane]

Yeah, ten or so years ago in runescape I made a point of always using formal capitalization and punctuation because I typed fast enough for it to not matter.

Someone told me to stop typing like a wannabe moderator

[fervent dock]

I used to do it when I was ~13 to seem more mature

[frozen crane]

And then I was made a moderator.

Exactly.

In the end it's really the quality of your ideas that make you sound mature or not.

[fervent dock]

@tame terrace has his own style of never capitalizing but always ending his sentences with dots

it's a fairly unique style

[tame terrace]

and it generates a lot of conversation.

[frozen crane]

A few years ago I befriended the host of a linguistics podcast that I listen to. I think it's every November that he stops using apostrophes in all contexts.

His position is that the rules for when you use an apostrophe aren't consistent and they don't disambiguate anything.

I think they look cool but that's the only praise I have for them.

[fervent dock]

aren't its and it's different in meaning?

[frozen crane]

Yes, but a fluent speaker will always know which one was intended.

[fervent dock]

yeah that's true

[frozen crane]

But that isn't true for other words

Did you know that if I say "rebel" over text, you don't know what word I said?

[fervent dock]

like whether thats an L or a capital I?

but rebeI is not a word

so I can guess

[frozen crane]

Not quite. Without context there's no way of knowing if I'm talking about a rébel without a cause or when one decides to rebél against the establishment.

[fervent dock]

ook

[sand goblet]

True, but without context you probably wouldn't have anything to say by using the word

[fervent dock]

I'm immune because I don't know the difference between those words

[frozen crane]

Right. As far as I know, every language relies extensively on context.

[sand goblet]

Noun vs verb

It's like read and read

Two different meanings there too

[frozen crane]

Rébel is a noun and rebél is a verb.

Also they don't use the slashes irl.

[sand goblet]

No accents yeah

[frozen crane]

There are a few instances in English where two similar words are written the same way but have different vowels.

(have different vowels when spoken)

[fervent dock]

in my native language we almost never use the diacritics in informal conversation, and it's starting to be acceptable in formal too as especially programmers tend to use English keyboard layouts

[frozen crane]

Read is a special case.

[fervent dock]

when I want to type my name properly I have to search for the "long i" and copy-paste it from google

[frozen crane]

Because it's different conjunctions of the same verb written the same way but pronounced differently.

What is your name?

[fervent dock]

it's the family name so prefer not to say 😬

[frozen crane]

No problem.

How long have you known English?

I studied several different languages but I'm only fluent in English.

[fervent dock]

hmm, difficult to say

maybe 10 years?

ich kann deutsch sprechen a little bit but not too much

thats despite being taught german for almost a decade througout primary & secondary education

it's all lost when you don't get to practice the language outside of school

[frozen crane]

Yeah. When I lived in DC working at a coffee shop I got to practice every day.

Three years later and I've given up talking to my pen pal in Arabic.

[fervent dock]

ahh, which other languages have you studied?

all my arabic friends have really good english

basically native

[frozen crane]

Latin, Russian, Greek, and Esperanto if you want to count that.

And it was two varieties of Arabic that I studied concurrently.

Latin is the only language where I feel I could express any thought that I have just as effectively

[fervent dock]

I would like to learn russian some day but I've been saying that for years now and haven't moved towards it at all

[frozen crane]

Well, unless Putin gets his way, Russian will eventually only be useful for talking to ethnic Russians. It's declining in other post soviet nations.

But that's still tons of people

[fervent dock]

yeah perhaps, but I find it very interesting

maybe because of the culture too, I feel like you inevitably learn a lot about the culture if you study a language

[frozen crane]

How familiar are you with the Indo European family?

[fervent dock]

let me google which ones those are lol

[frozen crane]

With very few notable exceptions, all the languages of Europe as well as many in central Asia and India can be organized in a family tree-like structure.

With a common ancestor before recorded history began.

[fervent dock]

my native language is czech

so I automatically understand slovakian and some polish if I try

[frozen crane]

That's part of the west Slavic branch, which is part of the Slavic branch, which is part of the Balto-Slavic branch, which is a top-level subdivision.

I think it's actually more closely related to Sanskrit than it is to Greek or Latin, but that isn't saying much.

[fervent dock]

how do you know so much about languages, have you studied them formally or is it just an interest of yours?

[frozen crane]

I started my undergraduate education in a linguistics program, but I dropped out for various reasons (actually one reason) and am now in a computer science program where I'm specializing in NLP

I'd like to go back to grad school for linguistics though.

[fervent dock]

what is the one reason?

if you dont mind sharing

[frozen crane]

I was enrolled in a university where you will be expelled if you are openly gay.

[fervent dock]

😬

[cosmic ravine]

such places exist?

[fervent dock]

thats awful

[frozen crane]

I mean, you can say that you're gay, but if you are seen to do as much as hold hands with someone of the same sex, your ability to stay at the university will be called into question.

This happened to a friend of mine.

And he was actually committed to celibacy.

[cosmic ravine]

where are you from? Oo

[frozen crane]

I live in the US, but this was a private university, namely BYU.

Great linguistics program though. I enjoyed the classes I took and none of them believed in the tower of babel.

[cosmic ravine]

first google question googling for "BYU" is "what percentage is mormon"

not a great start

[frozen crane]

BYU is a very interesting phenomenon. The whole point of it is to be a legitimate academic institution where Mormons can get a high quality education at low cost

That way they won't leave Mormonism during their college years (which is the most popular time to do so) while still giving them the education they need to start a solid career and thus give more money to the Mormon Church

Which church has over 100 billion dollars, and yet BYU is their most expensive component.

I legitimately enjoyed my time there, though I'm not sure if I would have gone in the first place if I knew what I know now.

I'm pretty sure linguistics is better to pursue after you have a bachelors in a more marketable degree though.

@cosmic ravine BYU is roughly 100% Mormon though. If you attend, it is assumed that you are.

if you're at BYU and you meet someone who isn't, the only logical question is "what are you doing here?"

[cosmic ravine]

joseph smith was called a prophet, dum dum dum dum dum
sorry, couldn't resist :\

[frozen crane]

I don't know what you're referring to.

[cosmic ravine]

an old southpark episode in which they made fun of mormons in general

[frozen crane]

ah

I never found the existence of the southpark episode that upsetting because sp targets everyone equally

[cosmic ravine]

unless you're barbara streisand ;)

[frozen crane]

I don't really like the musical though because it doesn't accurately depict what it's criticizing

[twilit hull]

boomer entertainment moment

[red willow]

you can have friends...

....if you believe you can

[bleak rain]

There we go, finally finished my help override hack

@bot.command(aliases=['h'])
async def help(ctx, command: typing.Optional[str]):
    """Shows info about commands."""
    s = '`​`​`'
    if command:
        try:
            cmd = bot.all_commands[command]
            s += f'{cmd}/{cmd.aliases[0]}'

            for name, param in cmd.clean_params.items():
                if param.annotation is not param.empty:
                    s += f' ({name})' if None not in param.annotation.__args__ else f' [{name}]'

            s += '\n\n' + cmd.help
            
        except KeyError:
            await ctx.send('Command not found!')
            return  # Return, otherwise s will be sent
    else:
        order = {
            'Choosing tinker file': (files, set_tinker, tell_tinker, remove_tinker),
            'Tinkering': (view, insert, replace, delete, run),
            'Misc': (reload_config, reload_files)
        }
        for category, cmds in order.items():
            s += f'{category}:\n'
            for cmd in cmds:
                s += f'    {cmd.qualified_name}{" " * (24 - len(cmd.qualified_name))}{cmd.short_doc}\n'
            s += '\n'

    s += '`​`​`'
    await ctx.send(s)

It was pretty fun peeping into inspect and types in general

that if param.annotation is not param.empty: is really wack

EDIT: I will have to fix param: int and the like as well

[quick ledge]

niceee

but I have no idea what this is

[bleak rain]

I'm overriding the help command for my discord bot

[quick ledge]

are you providing a GUI help?

[bleak rain]

nah

I just thought the default help was not really my style

[quick ledge]

oh ok

why are you using tkinter?

oh my bad

[bleak rain]

I'm not though

[quick ledge]

its tinker

[bleak rain]

yeah

[quick ledge]

i read it wrong 🤦

[bleak rain]

My bot's name is TinkerTom

[quick ledge]

nice name

[bleak rain]

I think I got a pretty fun idea for the bot actually

But I think it has been done before

[quick ledge]

doesnt mean you cant make it better

[bleak rain]

It's a text/code editor all in discord

[quick ledge]

ahh

[bleak rain]

The bot is like a mini editor I guess

I've got more or less all functionality that I want, except for one darn thing

users can't run scripts with input() because that gives me EOF and .communicate with pipes only work for one call, then it's game over

I swear, handling std(in/out) stuff asynchronously is a nightmare

[quick ledge]

even in sublime input() doesn't work off the bat

you have to install a plugin

[bleak rain]

lol

never knew

[quick ledge]

REPL iirc

the name of the plugin

[bleak rain]

yeah, read eval print loop

I guess my bot is a glorified REPL but I like to think of this bot as a little better than that

[bleak rain]

Screw it, solved it like this instead

for name, hint in typing.get_type_hints(cmd.callback).items():
    try:
        s += f' {name}' if type(None) not in hint.__args__ else f' ({name})'
    except AttributeError:  # Assume it's not a Union
        s += f' {name}'

s += '\n\n' + cmd.help

It's pure jank and I love it

[rough sapphire]

umg I accidently hug a duck and I ded

[quick ledge]

impossible

ducks are not real

[rough sapphire]

no

ducks r real

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-animal-bird-run-gif-5295491

look

[quick ledge]

thats a snek

[bleak rain]

@rough sapphire I love that video so much

[coarse hearth]

PrestaShop 1.7 is sooooo much better than 1.6 when developing module. 1.6's dev docs is practically useless and whole this buildup is so difficult. 1.7 system is at least better documentated.

[rough sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-cockateal-gif-5715274

look this is a snek

@quick ledge

[quick ledge]

no

thats kim k

[rancid forge]

Just found out that Discord has a thing

[lofty dirge]

Same

[bleak rain]

same

Luckily I viewed their email before

[plucky ridge]

Don't worry, Post. There will be more pomp and circumstance if that happens

[quick ledge]

Just found out that Discord has a thing
just got it 3 minutes ago

[sullen thorn]

would you swap 5.3->4.7GHz clock speed for 2 extra cores? (up to 12)

[rancid forge]

Personally I wouldn't because of the larger number of single-core applications

[sullen thorn]

hmm yeah good point

[plucky ridge]

I would

[sullen thorn]

why?

[plucky ridge]

Because even while there are single core apps out there, most of the time and most other things are going to be distributed across the cpu

With how much context switching it does naturally, it helps ease the overall load

[sullen thorn]

how many things are you doing though?

[plucky ridge]

Me personally not a lot. But your operating system?

[sullen thorn]

hopefully not much either

[plucky ridge]

I mean go into your task manager and look at how many processes or services are running currently

It's going to be a lot

[sullen thorn]

idk how to do that on mac :/

but also how many are actually running, and how many are waiting on something?

[small fossil]

I would get the 2 extra cores

4.7ghz is still a high clock

and being someone who has a high clock cpu (5.4Ghz+) it means nothing when you're compiling stuff multi cored

[lofty dirge]

I wouldn't if your usage case is gaming

[small fossil]

4.7 is still plenty for gaming tho

most people's GPUs will bottle kneck before the cpu does

[bleak rain]

quick question, 16GB for an arch OS without bloat will be more than enough, right?

[sullen thorn]

yeah definitely

[bleak rain]

hell yeah

[sullen thorn]

(unless you have a specific application that needs more)

[bleak rain]

USB drive, you finally have a purpose

Nah, I don't

[sullen thorn]

@small fossil if the GPU is rtx 2080ti? or even then the cpu won't be an issue?

[small fossil]

a 2080ti doesnt need a 5ghz cpu to run lol

[sullen thorn]

ig the cpu won't be a bottleneck then lol

[quick ledge]

do macs get 2080TI?

[sullen thorn]

lol i wish

no - the mac is just a small laptop i have in bed (when i'm lazy)

[quick ledge]

oh ok so you are building a pc

[sullen thorn]

yeah

i'm trying to decide how much i care about extension instruction sets on intel, and whether it's enough to prevent me from going to amd

[red willow]

cool

[small fossil]

even a 3.7ghz clock isnt that much of a bottle kneck

[sullen thorn]

is rendering a cpu or gpu thing?

[graceful basin]

Depends on the rendering, but ideally GPU

[small fossil]

you mean like compute GPUs etc..?

[sullen thorn]

no like 2080ti (is that a compute gpu?)

but ok gpu it is

[small fossil]

2080ti isnt rlly a compute gpu

compute gpu's dont have a video output etc...

[sullen thorn]

what would a compute gpu be?

[small fossil]

and are often alot more powerful

[sullen thorn]

morning 🙂

[small fossil]

e.g nividia K80 has 24GB of Vram and two GPU cores

and will cost you less than a 2080ti

[sullen thorn]

but can't be used for gaming?

wait wym the 2080ti has video output?

[small fossil]

2080ti has video output cuz its a gaming gpu

not compute