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sand goblet Jun 23, 2020, 9:41 PM

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shift and station are both kind of meh

high verge Jun 23, 2020, 11:12 PM

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seems like they're going a bit overboard on the quirky austrian emperor factor

rough sapphire Jun 23, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I hope the app doesn't get shot down 🤣

leaden shuttle Jun 24, 2020, 2:06 AM

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using social media monkaHmm

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not living under a rock monkaHmm

brazen schooner Jun 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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but does it do discord?

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 5:57 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Discord_Bots/comments/heb60t/py_channel_lockdown_command/fvtq3ge?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x i...

r/Discord_Bots - Comment by u/Karel1221 on ”[.py] Channel Lockdown ...

7 votes and 12 comments so far on Reddit

bleak rain Jun 24, 2020, 8:55 AM

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"Just read the documentation, it isn't that long"
The documentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYx_IGBX-EE

YouTube

it’s jer

Seddie

▶ Play video

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 10:27 AM

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@rough sapphire

📎 il_794xN.2377291534_3p3y.jpg

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 10:58 AM

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seems to be related to a youtuber's (AvE) etsy shop

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it is

quiet crypt Jun 24, 2020, 1:36 PM

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I'm trying to insert a dataframe into a mongodb database.
The problem is although the dtype of my dates is datetime64[ns], it gets inserted as an Integer 64 bit ....

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why ?

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.astype(....) aswell as pd.to_datetime(...) still inserted as an int

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 1:42 PM

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what types does mongodb support

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if it doesn't support datetime64, that's probably why it's getting type coerced

quiet crypt Jun 24, 2020, 1:44 PM

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is there a way to change the type of an column to JUST datetime ?

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I think mongodb supports timestamp and date in iso.. so you need to split and convert your datetime64 format to get what you want

quiet crypt Jun 24, 2020, 2:06 PM

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only using the date without time, still won't work

surreal otter Jun 24, 2020, 4:12 PM

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This random graph I made almost looks real

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The crashes might be exaggerated, but I feel like it matches the US economy in a way

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give or take a few years here and there

graceful basin Jun 24, 2020, 4:13 PM

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unlabeled axes, random axes limits. Seems like very realistic graph

surreal otter Jun 24, 2020, 4:13 PM

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What's the Y axis? IDK

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I mean more in terms of the way it kinda follows the growth and fall of the US Economy over the last 120 years

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🙂

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Not very offtopic though

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though kinda

undone berry Jun 24, 2020, 4:57 PM

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those ups and downs don't even really match that closely. You don't have 2008 on there. It doesn't reflect the 60s-80s all that well

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doesn't reflect the US impact of WW2

bleak rain Jun 24, 2020, 5:41 PM

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https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/bad_code_2x.png

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mood

bleak rain Jun 24, 2020, 6:12 PM

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oh my god

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https://xkcd.com/1987/

xkcd: Python Environment

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that hurts

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:04 PM

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yeah...

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the moment when you have to use pip3 because pip doesn't work, and you don't know Why

tight meadow Jun 24, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Or because your Linux distro is packed with python2 and you want to use python3

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:06 PM

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i mean, sudo package manager python3

tight meadow Jun 24, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I know, it’s just that you have to type pip3 and python3 because it defaults to python2

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And you can’t change either without breaking your os

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:07 PM

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yeah but python doesn't have pip installed

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because yes

tight meadow Jun 24, 2020, 7:08 PM

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That’s odd, I’ve had pip2 installed on a new os

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:10 PM

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probaly just have to apt install pip

viral panther Jun 24, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Woah, wait

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Anyone who thinks Haskell is ugly is wrong

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Just plain objectively wrong

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@bleak rain

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:14 PM

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yeah but haskell is not for parsing HTML inside a spreadsheat function

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weird and wonky math yes

tight meadow Jun 24, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Just googled Gaskell syntax and oh god

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:15 PM

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check out brainfuck

viral panther Jun 24, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Oh god it's simple, right?

tight meadow Jun 24, 2020, 7:15 PM

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no it isn't, and I though c++ was bad

viral panther Jun 24, 2020, 7:15 PM

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(Except for the all the symbols, I'll admit that. Until you learn them it's fucking confusing)

tight meadow Jun 24, 2020, 7:16 PM

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hey at least it's not brackets under functions, conditional statements, classes, and loops

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so that's good

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I mean its simple in the minimalist meaning of simple

viral panther Jun 24, 2020, 7:18 PM

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It's simple as in super easy to understand

rough sapphire Jun 24, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I mean, if you're a minimalist and program in anything else your not a minimalist

serene epoch Jun 24, 2020, 9:25 PM

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whats up simps

red willow Jun 24, 2020, 9:28 PM

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I'm a simp

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is that a simpleton?

soft violet Jun 24, 2020, 11:35 PM

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I knew what it was, but I've forgotten. I don't believe it's short for simpleton.

sand goblet Jun 24, 2020, 11:36 PM

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it's someone who will say anything to please someone else

tight meadow Jun 24, 2020, 11:41 PM

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it's an insult a little kid will call you because they don't have anything smart to say

high verge Jun 25, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Like simpering maybe?

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I think that's it

leaden shuttle Jun 25, 2020, 12:04 AM

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pysun

eternal creek Jun 25, 2020, 12:25 AM

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it's an insult a little kid will call you because they don't have anything smart to say
@tight meadow naaaa

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Simping is the act of ass kissing to a female for sexual favors

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It’s kinda evolved to ass kissing to females in general

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 12:52 AM

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👀

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anyway....

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do you guys have experience with the pythonanywhere website.

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if you do. What did you use it for.

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or do you use something else

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I need something i can run my code on 24\7

serene epoch Jun 25, 2020, 1:31 AM

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it means you are simps

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Вы все геи, а кодирование - отстой
гигантский член

pine vector Jun 25, 2020, 1:47 AM

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you seem bored. have a look in here and maybe learn something?

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!resources

royal lakeBOT Jun 25, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

pine vector Jun 25, 2020, 1:49 AM

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oh. banned in ot2. haha. oops.

cosmic sun Jun 25, 2020, 2:19 AM

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honestly python-general is more off topic than off topic rn nice

bleak lintel Jun 25, 2020, 2:21 AM

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lol

cosmic sun Jun 25, 2020, 2:22 AM

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everytime i see this avatar joe

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i reminds me of marth in smash bros lol

bleak lintel Jun 25, 2020, 2:23 AM

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I'll take it

cosmic sun Jun 25, 2020, 2:23 AM

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i mean, its close xD

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tight meadow Jun 25, 2020, 2:38 AM

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you know that feeling when you write one line of code that accomplishes so much

open niche Jun 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Hmm?

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Does anyone want to fork a potato? https://github.com/drtshock/Potato

GitHub

drtshock/Potato

If you fork this then you can say you forked a potato. - drtshock/Potato

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/724378514110939239/724695525496193034/image0.png?width=489&height=489

sullen thorn Jun 25, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Is there anything for which java is the best language for the job? (Assuming you can start fresh)

maiden owl Jun 25, 2020, 7:02 AM

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never turn your back on the python 🐍

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 7:02 AM

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minecraft mods

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lmao

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actually, apparently you can write them in kotlin nowadays, so perhaps not even that

sullen thorn Jun 25, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Lol dw i’m not turning my back on python

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Just #career-advice had me thinking

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Business applications (management software) is what I'm gussing java would be best for.

solid pollen Jun 25, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Old softwares with old devs tbh

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Tph people are here 👀

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My 'novel' version of Bogosort, called randomsort versus the original bogosort:

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Here's a better graph with averaged values from 10 runs of each algorithm:

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@rough sapphire want to explain a little more what's going on...?

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Sure, I am comparing the run times of bogosort vs an algorithm that I made called 'randomsort'

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what does the list length mean

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The input length n

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The sorting algorithms are applied to lists of random values, with length 'list length'

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and then you're measuring how long it takes?

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Exactly

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and random sort just puts the numbers into random orders until it finds the correct one?

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That's bogosort

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okay

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It shuffles the list and if it's sorted, returns

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you might want to make the y-axis logarithmic for the second picture

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since we're losing all the details

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Hmm, yeah that might be a good idea. I was thinking of cutting bogosort's line off and just continuing randomsort

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well there's an exponential difference in the behavior

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it seems

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so logarithmic axes makes sense

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Bogosort has time complexity O((n+1)!)

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I'm not sure about my algorithm, but it's probably something exponential

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Here it is with a cut off bogosort graph:

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I'll try a logarithmic axis

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are those single runs

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They are averaged over 5 runs here

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okay

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Looks interesting, they both seem approximately exponential:

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But I think more repetitions would be needed to show the factorial

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the factorial should grow faster than the exponential

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it's starting to show there already

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It's clear already, that randomsort is a revolutionary probability based sorting algorithm, and soon there will be no more need for bogosort 😄

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This (pseudocode) is how it works:

def random_sort(iterable):
    best_sorted = iterable
    best_sorted_n = len(iterable)
    current = best_sorted.copy()
        
    while True:
        unsorted = check_amount_unsorted()

        if unsorted == 0:
            # list is sorted
            return current

        # new best list
        if unsorted <= best_sorted_n:
            best_sorted_n = unsorted
            best_sorted = current

        current = best_sorted.copy()
        
        for _ in range(best_sorted_n):
          current.swap_2_random_elements()

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hmm how long has the longest random sort taken you

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i mean bogo sort

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Basically: It keeps a copy of the best list and performs the minimum amount of swaps theoretically needed to sort the list. If the swapped list is better than the best list, replace it with the swapped list. Do this until you are done.

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Right now I did bogo sort up until 11 elements, and it took me 140 seconds

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i did bogo sort for 11 and it took 40 seconds

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New graph, higher values

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What implementation did you use?

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I'm running just this ```py
%%time

for i in range(1,60):
print(i) if i % 5 == 0 else ''
R = list(np.arange(1, 9))
N = list(R)
random.shuffle(N)

while list(R) != N and not random.shuffle(R):
    continue```

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Ah, okay. Mine definitely takes a bit longer. ```py
def bogosort(iterable, reverse=False):
current = iterable.copy()

while True:
    for el, next_el in zip(current, current[1:]):
        if reverse:
            is_sorted = el >= next_el
        else:
            is_sorted = el <= next_el
    
        if not is_sorted:
            break
    else:
        # list is sorted
        return current

    shuffle(current)

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i might have gotten lucky

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probably did

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True xD

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That's the fun with stochastic sorting

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"fun"

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You never know how long it takes, time complexity is anywhere between O(n) and O(infinity)

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well that's true for any sorting algorithm, kinda.

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a lot of algorithms have amortized time complexities

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I see mostly O(n^2) as worst cases for sorting algos

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i'm more curious on the side of what algorithms actually use random numbers but can still guarantee results

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there's a metric ton of heuristics that guarantee some results like that but nothing optimal

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Hmm, you can guarantee results, but only if you have infinite time

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i'm not sure if that's the case

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just because you choose something randomly doesn't mean you don't have a sure-fire way to get the job done

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If there's a chance that shuffling something up randomly gets you the right list, it'll eventually happen.

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well for a random sort yes but

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i'm not talking about sorting here

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I think general this principle of randomness is called the Monte Carlo method

undone berry Jun 25, 2020, 10:49 AM

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There are algorithms in use everywhere that have infinite time complexity

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 10:49 AM

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@undone berry wanna expand?

undone berry Jun 25, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Yes

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Bit

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I forgot the examples. Just someone once explained that they were used in lots of places because random factors are never going to actually be infinite

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I'll do some research quickly

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 10:50 AM

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There definitely are algorithms in use that can produce crap results once every few trillion runs.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method#Applications

Monte Carlo method

Monte Carlo methods, or Monte Carlo experiments, are a broad class of computational algorithms that rely on repeated random sampling to obtain numerical results. The underlying concept is to use randomness to solve problems that might be deterministic in principle. They are of...

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looks pretty darn exponentially growing to me

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that's on a nice logarithmic scale with RUNS = {6: 1000, 7: 1000, 8: 250, 9: 25, 10: 10, 11: 2}

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averaged over all of them

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Length of 6
0.00029621505737304686
Length of 7
0.0022091636657714845
Length of 8
0.01585757541656494
Length of 9
0.14624876976013185
Length of 10
2.01311719417572
Length of 11
17.074811458587646
Wall time: 1min 4s```

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Bogosort?

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yes

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%%time

times = collections.defaultdict(list)

RUNS = {6: 1000, 7: 1000, 8: 250, 9: 25, 10: 10, 11: 2}

for k in range(6, 11+1):
    
    print(f"Length of {k}")
    
    for i in range(1, RUNS[k]+1):
        
        
        R = list(np.arange(1, k))
        N = list(R)
        random.shuffle(N)

        START = time.time()
        
        while list(R) != N and not random.shuffle(R):
            continue
        
        times[k].append(time.time() - START)
            
    print(np.mean(times[k]))```

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Well, according to Wikipedia it has O((n+1)!) complexity

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it looks exponential at that scale still

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in that range

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Yeah, it's hard to run it for input's larger than 11

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even the last results might not be correct because there's only 2 runs averaged

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i know for fact that one run lasted 50 seconds once and this time it's saying the average of runs was 17 seconds so

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the truth is probably somewhere between 17 and 60

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Hmm

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what about bogobogosort

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which supposedly will not succeed before the heat death of the universe.

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What is it?

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from wikipedia

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Bogobogosort
is an algorithm that was designed not to succeed before the heat death of the universe on any sizable list. It works by recursively calling itself with smaller and smaller copies of the beginning of the list to see if they are sorted. The base case is a single element, which is always sorted. For other cases, it compares the last element to the maximum element from the previous elements in the list. If the last element is greater or equal, it checks if the order of the copy matches the previous version, and if so returns. Otherwise, it reshuffles the current copy of the list and restarts its recursive check.

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Sounds horrible

forest crane Jun 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

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is there an efficient way to pull the integer component from a boolean in rust

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 12:38 PM

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I'm mad. I just got told why I wasn't getting the Microsoft Office console log output; You can't do it in Visual Studio 2019, it has to be Visual Studio 2017

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Because why not

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 12:39 PM

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christ

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this is not the first time i've heard that VS2019 is worse than VS2017

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they broke many things apparently

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Apparently they just straight up removed the JavaScript Console

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You'd think they'd at least support it as an extension or something

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Or have it re-added when you download the tools for the various dev system you're targeting

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Just waiting for that to download now

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Wheeeeee

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I'm just lucky 2017 still has a community edition

honest star Jun 25, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Oh wow, that's infuriating Hemlock

cosmic lotus Jun 25, 2020, 1:09 PM

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a hackintosh perhaps?

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Hey guys I want to make a choice hope you would help me out.
I have to two options my laptop's hardisk failed.
My current laptop specs are:
i5 8th gen
8gb ram
Intel 620 UHD graphics.
1.) Should I buy a new 500 gb ssd and fix it cheaply at home.
Or
2.) Should I buy a new laptop with 10th gen processors for 1000 bucks. Its been two year using this and the only major issue is hardisk failure.
Thanks for reading

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Newp to the Hackintosh question

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@tall glen I'd just go with the harddrive personally

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If you feel like you want more power after that, you can always put said new hard drive into the new machine as well

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:14 PM

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You mean you would go with new machine altogether

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Not for a while

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2 years really isn't that long

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But if you're looking for an excuse to get a new machine anyway, now's the time

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Hmm yeah I also thought that

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:14 PM

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But like you said, this is a cheap thing to fix

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And it's not like you can't move the hard drive later down the line to your next machine

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Nah my mom told me if you get a new big ssd then you would wait for at least year for new laptop

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:15 PM

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That sounds like a reasonable thing to me

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I mean were you hurting for a new one?

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Hmm yeah I can use that ssd later on new machine too

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Anything in particular you're trying to do or play?

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:15 PM

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fix your laptop, if it's just a HDD failure you should have had an SSD in it anyways, shame on you for not, also, go for a 1 or 2 TB at this point, 512?

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Hmm nope just that I am not liking the models available currently and the prices are just inflated currently

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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so you rather spend more?

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for marginal gains?

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Hmm that's what I thought

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Which is best Samsung evo or qt

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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You'll see significant gains in getting an SSD anyways

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Also depends if you're the one paying or not

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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It'll feel like a whole new machine

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Qvo

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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faster than any other upgrade

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I wouldn't say "shame on you" if someone else is paying for it, Gnab

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I kid

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I'm more of a "be grateful for what you get" kind of guy

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I mean not having an SSD for the OS in this day is like walking around with your ankles tied together

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Not really?

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Hmm

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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It bogs you down quite a bit

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Again, not really

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If you're impatient, sure

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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I'll get a new ssd

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Can we get more time or is our time limited?

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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But does it really make much of difference

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I mean 512 or 1tb

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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If you need it

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I just rather not run otu

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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It's a matter of what you think you'll need

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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but if you had a 512 and used 120

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over 2 years

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you can probably live with 512 again

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I personally have my 1TB HDD and my 512 SSD near capacity

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Hmm I just do programming on laptop not a gamer not a video editor

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Then the lower size is probably fine

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Save the money then

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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And if you're not paying, then your parents will appreciate it

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And that can go a long way as well

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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It doesn't sound like you needa new machine at all. The 8th gen is more than good enough for a few more years

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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I usually play on phone that's why I can't see the point

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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That's logical

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Yeah that's why I am not buying a new one

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But I thought I should take some other opinions

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:20 PM

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but you will be impressed by the speed boost with the SSD, when I installed mine I Was amazed that Windows loaded before I even realized it was loading

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my wife accidentally booted my old HDD Windows the one day

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all the updates, the horror!

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Sure but I don't see it as being "required"

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Convenient? Faster? Absolutely

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:20 PM

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again, it's a QoL thing you can't really step back from

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and time is money

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so to not invest, I think you're just costing yourself

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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I'm thinking more in terms of a business

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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employees

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sitting around

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waiting for their PCs 🙂

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salary well spent

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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They're accountants.

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They're going to do that anyway

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Hmm I think I need some faster opening and for 70 buck we can get one of the best ssd in business I wouldn't think twice

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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I'd rather the excel sheets load faster

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so they whine less about computers

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Trust me

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They'll whine anyway...

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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I know

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:21 PM

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God damn it Karen

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Sorry, had to vent that

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:22 PM

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I am just feared it's my first time of replacing hardisk I've never done that before

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Although I opened my laptop recently.

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:25 PM

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It's stupid easy

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It's typically just take out the old, slot in the new

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Worst you can do is lose a screw

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And it can only go in one way

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:25 PM

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😅 okay

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Hold on, I actually have one on my desk...

gentle moss Jun 25, 2020, 1:26 PM

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i highly recommend looking up "hdd replacement <make / model of laptop>"

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you're bound to find an article or video on how to do it

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so you know you're doing it safely

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:26 PM

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📎 IMG_20200625_082617.jpg

gentle moss Jun 25, 2020, 1:26 PM

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but it is a simple process.

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Yeah I found tons of them

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:26 PM

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I mean it can only go in one way

tall glen Jun 25, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Yeah

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:41 PM

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https://reasonml.github.io/docs/en/module#every-re-file-is-a-module I wish this is how Python's local imports worked. Just boom, snagged. I know it can't since that would be interpreter hell

Module · Reason

Basics

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But it's just so simple

undone berry Jun 25, 2020, 1:44 PM

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yeah, that really is the simplest way of doing things

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 1:45 PM

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But I feel like it would just make Python explode a little

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It's different when it's at compilation vs runtime

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It really is making me fall more in love with the language, though

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It's the same discovery thrill I got when learning Python

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Okay, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to load this .json file into this add-in

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Been told by some of my other JS friends that it's implementation dependent which doesn't help me in the slightest.

rare bloom Jun 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Does anyone recommend any JS server?

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I'm interested in joining 1

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I personally don't know of any. (Not that there aren't some, I just am not in any)

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@undone berry Were you the one that had a list of servers like that?

rare bloom Jun 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Well I tried searching and nothing showed up

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That's why I ask.

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Fair

undone berry Jun 25, 2020, 3:08 PM

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oh

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forgot

summer knot Jun 25, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Reactiflux: https://discord.gg/reactiflux
Nodiflux: https://discord.gg/vUsrbjd
SpeakJS: https://discord.gg/dAF4F28

undone berry Jun 25, 2020, 3:08 PM

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thanks

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you also have a wiki of Discord servers linked to somewhere in the site

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Nifty

surreal otter Jun 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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For those who grow tomatoes, do you normally clip off the armpits? I just pruned a few plants and on some the leaves looked sad, so I clipped the bigger branch instead of the pit

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hopefully I didn't hurt the plants ,they do have plenty of healthy leaves up higher

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growing these from my pencil, surprised they did so well

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Sorry the what?

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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tomato armpits

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tomato armpits is otn material

honest star Jun 25, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Mmmm, depends if the branch is unwieldy/not producing anything anymore

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I'm fairly liberal with lopping off branches if I feel like the growth is more focused on growing branches than producing fruit/growing what it already has.

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I'll usually just pinch the suckers if it's a producing/good branch.

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 4:53 PM

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!otn a tomato armpits

royal lakeBOT Jun 25, 2020, 4:53 PM

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:ok_hand: Added tomato-armpits to the names list.

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 4:53 PM

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It really is

honest star Jun 25, 2020, 4:54 PM

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In related news, my cherry tomato plants are finally producing cherry tomatoes!!

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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That's good. I'd be worried if they started sprouting hands or something

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(again)

graceful basin Jun 25, 2020, 5:37 PM

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let state = undefined;
exports.gameLoop = init => update => draw => handleEvent => () => {
    const canv = document.getElementById("canvas");
    state = init;
    draw(state)();
    canv.addEventListener('mousedown', e => {
        if (e.button === 0) {
            state = update (handleEvent({x: e.offsetX, y: e.offsetY})) (state);
            draw(state)();
        }
    });
}
```JS to be called from purescript looks quite strange

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Huh

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I've never seen concatenation like this before greet name = "Hello, " <> name <> "!"

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There's typically a plus sign involved somewhere

graceful basin Jun 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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<> is a common name for the semigroup associative operation (called splat IIRC)

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 5:54 PM

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oo math

graceful basin Jun 25, 2020, 5:59 PM

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the one thing elm is so badly missing

📎 unknown.png

topaz aurora Jun 25, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Lens ❤️

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Remind me what Lens is

graceful basin Jun 25, 2020, 7:22 PM

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so, y'know how in elm you get these horrible nested structures which you need to unwrap and rewrap all the time. Lens lets you create a special function that will target a specific part of the structure and you can then read its value, set its value, map its value and such, returning the modified value. For example

import Data.Lens
type Structure = Tuple Int (Tuple Int (Tuple Int Int))
structure :: Structure
structure = Tuple 1 (Tuple 2 (Tuple 3 4))

rightmost :: Lens' Structure Int
rightmost = _2 <<< _2 <<< _2 -- _2 is the lens for second tuple element

structure2 = over rightmost ((+) 2) structure -- Tuple 1 (Tuple 2 (Tuple 3 6))

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<<< is function composition

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there are also many other much cooler things people much smarter than me do with lenses, I just use them as a convenient way to update states

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@plucky ridge ^

plucky ridge Jun 25, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Oohhhhhh

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Neat

graceful basin Jun 25, 2020, 8:46 PM

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emacs just crashed because of a long build. Nice

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 8:54 PM

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@wheat atlas Are you still having an smtplib issue?

wheat atlas Jun 25, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I didn't have one.

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I am having a selenium issue.

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#help-carrot

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Ah, I misread. You were right after them

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@kindred solstice Are you still having an smtplib issue?

wheat atlas Jun 25, 2020, 8:57 PM

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No problem, but can you help me with it?

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Yea

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i was

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not specific to python tho i believe

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its an auth error when i try to sign in from python

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Were you using LOGIN PLAIN by chance?

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 8:57 PM

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uh not sure what that is, is that just username and password input?

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 8:58 PM

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You're using smtplib.SMTP_SSL, right?

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 8:59 PM

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im using just smtplib.SMTP

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not SSL

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Ah, that's a problem.

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 9:00 PM

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should i switch

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I would, considering you're sending credentials in plaintext.

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 9:00 PM

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ok

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ill check if it works

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Check out https://github.com/Lvl4Sword/LockMsg/blob/master/LockMsg.py#L249

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https://support.office.com/en-us/article/outlook-com-no-longer-supports-auth-plain-authentication-07f7d5e9-1697-465f-84d2-4513d4ff0145 is about LOGIN PLAIN not working on Outlook as well

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Hm it drops a wrong version number error

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ssl.SSLError: [SSL: WRONG_VERSION_NUMBER] wrong version number (_ssl.c:1108)

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Lemme check something

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 9:02 PM

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ok

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Let's go into a help channel

kindred solstice Jun 25, 2020, 9:03 PM

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also this email im using is not @outlook.com, but my @[domain].prefix

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ok

undone berry Jun 25, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Has anyone on here had actual success with Duolingo or similar? I see lots of people using them, but I can't ever recall anyone saying they got to a useful point with an app based thing like that

rough sapphire Jun 25, 2020, 10:23 PM

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@undone berry Duolingo, I've heard, is a really good supplement to other language-learning software.

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However, it's not very good as your main learning program.

bronze root Jun 25, 2020, 11:12 PM

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hi, is there a way to disable python linting on vs ? it's kind of getting mad at every walrus

red willow Jun 25, 2020, 11:51 PM

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I'd imagine it is an app that just needs to be disabled

bronze root Jun 25, 2020, 11:56 PM

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welp, ended up going back to vscode and installed cpp stuff there too

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couldn't find anything about py linting or disabling intellisense's checks in it's settings

bleak lintel Jun 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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@outer mango we can't help with that question here I'm afraid, "sneakerbots" are not something we help with

outer mango Jun 26, 2020, 2:55 AM

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oh ok

sullen thorn Jun 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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eyy my long con paid off lol (sry jag2)

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the channel was too well named to not do that

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:34 AM

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does anyone know why when im scraping this code gives me a error:

soup = bs(r.text, “html.parser”)

div = soup.find_all(“div”, {“class”:”b-swatch-value-wrapper”})
size = div.find_all(“data-value”)

print(size)

this is it but the error goes away when i just remove the size = line

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im trying to parse all the sizes and it gives me a error with size = div.find_all so idk rlly

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and when i remove it and just print the div = i can clearly see the data-value there so the problem is not that there is no object called data-value

high verge Jun 26, 2020, 9:35 AM

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what's the error

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:35 AM

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lemme show

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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\misan\Desktop\FrostAIO\snipes.py", line 26, in <module>
size = div.find_all("data-value")
File "C:\Users\misan\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python38-32\lib\site-packages\bs4\element.py", line 1619, in getattr
raise AttributeError(
AttributeError: ResultSet object has no attribute 'find_all'. You're probably treating a list of items like a single item. Did you call find_all() when you meant to call find()?

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@high verge

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you saw it?

gentle moss Jun 26, 2020, 9:41 AM

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you're operating in a search result with another search

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is the first thing that springs to mind

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:41 AM

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but look

gentle moss Jun 26, 2020, 9:41 AM

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i am looking

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:41 AM

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i wanna search in div in the class the box wrapper thing and inside that i wanna search data-value

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so basically div-class-boxwrapper-data-value

gentle moss Jun 26, 2020, 9:42 AM

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have you tried iterating over the results of div

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rather than trying throwing find_all at it?

wheat lynx Jun 26, 2020, 9:42 AM

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And why are you asking in this channel...

gentle moss Jun 26, 2020, 9:42 AM

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exactly my next point wookie

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this is off topic

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:43 AM

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oh sorry i thought this was for bots

gentle moss Jun 26, 2020, 9:43 AM

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try the #web-development or read the #❓｜how-to-get-help channel

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:43 AM

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bisk can you go in a help channel with me?

gentle moss Jun 26, 2020, 9:43 AM

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no. i'm at work.

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:43 AM

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oh

wheat lynx Jun 26, 2020, 9:43 AM

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If you are trying to make a sneaker bot or similar you should check out this video first though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNZscmNE9QI

YouTube

Python Discord

Tutorial: How to make a sneaker bot

Ever wondered how to make a sneaker bot? You should watch this video!

Check us out at:
https://pythondiscord.com
https://discord.gg/python

▶ Play video

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:44 AM

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request based?

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bruh XD

wheat lynx Jun 26, 2020, 9:44 AM

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😄

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:45 AM

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well noone will ever help me then

wheat lynx Jun 26, 2020, 9:45 AM

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We can't help you if it breaks a sites terms of service, otherwise it is OK.

near laurel Jun 26, 2020, 9:45 AM

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well its not only for a sneaker bot

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its in general something i need to know

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how to find something in something with bs if you know what i mean

wheat lynx Jun 26, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Well regardless this is the wrong channel, and as I said this isn't really something we help with, but if you just want to to this to learn there are some sites that are great to practice on while not breaking ToS and it would be fine to ask for help with something more related to those.

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Here is one http://toscrape.com/

eternal creek Jun 26, 2020, 12:27 PM

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If you are trying to make a sneaker bot or similar you should check out this video first though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNZscmNE9QI
@wheat lynx lmao I watched this vid when it came out and It’s so good

YouTube

Python Discord

Tutorial: How to make a sneaker bot

Ever wondered how to make a sneaker bot? You should watch this video!

Check us out at:
https://pythondiscord.com
https://discord.gg/python

▶ Play video

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:22 PM

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New bump in the road on the Excel Add-in travels

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So the command for creating the checkmark image and moving it works

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Once

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Additional button presses create the image, but will then throw an error and won't move it

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I know it has something to do with how the context of the document is synced

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Just trying to find an example of how to manipulate it more than once in a command

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 2:24 PM

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I get that you don't want to be learning too many things at once, but it seems like it might be easier to use React. PureJS sounds like a nightmare for anything remotely complex

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:24 PM

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The issue isn't with the JS part of it, though

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Every issue I've bumped up against has been with the API

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So using React wouldn't make a difference, I don't think anyway...

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But you have me wondering

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Well, my understanding is that you're creating a checkmark in the panel on the right hand side right? If so, the React code to create and mess around with a checkmark is very simple - so I imagine if they support react, the simple stuff works how you'd expect

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:25 PM

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No

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 2:25 PM

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might be wrong though - it's not unlikely that MS messes it up

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:25 PM

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I'm adding it directly to the worksheet

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 2:25 PM

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ah

#

fair enough

#

that makes more sense

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yeah. React wouldnt help with that I guess

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Specifically in the cell to the right of the currently selected cell

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And I can see where the error is but I'm not getting why it's failing

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Keeps saying that "the current selection is invalid for this operation." the second time the button is pressed. Dying at the middle sync...

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 2:31 PM

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If you're adding an image, wouldn't a unicode checkmark be better?

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:32 PM

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It's not just a checkmark

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 2:32 PM

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fair enough then

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:32 PM

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They might all be unicode, but I think I worked it out

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I'm suggesting things which there's like a 95% chance you've thought of, and like a 95% chance other people have suggested, but I feel like it's still worth mentioning for the 1% chance it's useful

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 2:35 PM

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It is

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I'm not dismissing it

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Just trying to think it out

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Ah HA

#

Figured it out

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https://paste.pythondiscord.com/imajisezev.js
It really didn't like me splitting up where I was creating the image and modifying its position. So I moved the var image = yaddah to be within the .then( scope

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Weird that that was the trigger

faint ferry Jun 26, 2020, 2:59 PM

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hey, is this chat about making a bot to buy stuff like supreme clothing?

high verge Jun 26, 2020, 3:00 PM

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yes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNZscmNE9QI

YouTube

Python Discord

Tutorial: How to make a sneaker bot

Ever wondered how to make a sneaker bot? You should watch this video!

Check us out at:
https://pythondiscord.com
https://discord.gg/python

▶ Play video

#

here's a nice tutorial

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 3:05 PM

#

I personally want to make a Snickers bot

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Just a little robot that will bring me a Snickers bar upon request

high verge Jun 26, 2020, 3:05 PM

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or a shoe robot

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Or a shoo robot

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One that tells meddlesome coworkers to go away

faint ferry Jun 26, 2020, 3:18 PM

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why did i just watch that vid lol

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Because it's amusing

high verge Jun 26, 2020, 4:35 PM

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and useful

idle night Jun 26, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Who is the most self taught man in the world?

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Someone that taught himself everything?

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Are there any self taught doctors or pilots?

high verge Jun 26, 2020, 4:41 PM

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you mean without a tutor or without materials

idle night Jun 26, 2020, 4:41 PM

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No tutor.

high verge Jun 26, 2020, 4:41 PM

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well to be a pilot or doctor you need to pass an exam, which requires specific training

idle night Jun 26, 2020, 4:44 PM

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How about self taught investment banker?

high verge Jun 26, 2020, 4:45 PM

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yeah probably a few

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but like self-taught mountain climbers that's more a product of statistics

idle night Jun 26, 2020, 4:45 PM

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😂

#

Tbh. It’s hard to be self taught with no guidance.

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Because it’s hard to judge your own skill without biases or blindpots.

#

You may think you know or are good at something but someone with more experience may know where your knowledge gaps are.

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That’s the biggest problem with being self taught.

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On the other hand you can always ask ppl online.

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I wanna get rick rolled.

#

Whatever happened to those days on YouTube?

silk geode Jun 26, 2020, 5:14 PM

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📎 image0.png

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I hate memes more every time I see a bad one

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Eh.... that one isn't super terrible

#

Could use with a grid to separate things a smidge

cosmic lotus Jun 26, 2020, 5:30 PM

#

Intercosmosx86 i got you

📎 hot.mp4

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 5:52 PM

#

needs less pixels

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 5:52 PM

#

Fewer*

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Progress is being made

#

It looks crappy and yet I don't care:

📎 unknown.png

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I genuinely don't think any of the folks are going to care so long as it works and continues to work

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Okay kind of works

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Seems to have broken the actual command

#

Hmm

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 5:59 PM

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yeah they won't care as long as it isn't a CLI utility

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Yep, that's my thought

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 6:00 PM

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the menu could be a bunch of hyperlinks and they wouldn't care a whole lot

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Eh... I think they'd still want the pictures at the very least

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 6:01 PM

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thats true, hyperlinks require reading text

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 6:24 PM

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@plucky ridge What's that project about?

#

Sorry for the ping, I'm just curious what that image comes from.

#

I also agree with what julie said about people not caring about the GUI as long as it isn't CLI. My mom works as a nurse and struggles with some of the command-line aspects of her work's interface every day, so having it all implemented in a GUI, no matter what it looks like, is certainly important.

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Oh no you're fine.

#

So I work at an accounting firm, and our auditors use Excel for some of the forms and what not for the audits. Great, standard, makes sense. They also had an add-in that was made for them in-house by one of our IT guys years ago, back in 2001. Also great, works fine. However, it turns out, that as of Office 2019, that add-in doesn't work

#

Now, I could go in and try and change the VBA so that it uses the more modern API, but Microsoft is moving away from that entirely. Now it uses some Office.js thing. So I'm trying to make sure that the add-in is future proof for the foreseeable future

#

And it has been an absolute slog and just brick wall after brick wall

#

Finally making some decent headway, though. So that's exciting

#

And I don't mind getting pinged, since my attention can be any several dozen places at once

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 6:34 PM

#

I really commend you for having enough patience to cover something so corporate and backend like that. Here I am trying to develop small games and web scrapers, and you're designing an entire add-in for Excel!

#

I just wouldn't have enough patience, nor enough interest, to tackle a problem like that with programming, so the fact you're doing it is pretty commendable.

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:35 PM

#

I mean.... in fairness, the bulk of the add-in is just "add a picture of a checkmark and scoot it to the cell to the right of the current one"

#

And I think at this point it's just pure stubbornness

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:35 PM

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if that's the case - I'm curious - why do they even need it?

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Because it's significantly faster than adding an image and scooting it into place by hand

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And the tickmarks are important for documenting the audit process

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

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sure, but a keyboard shortcut+macro seems infinitely simpler

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

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For 20+ images?

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

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well - for me yes

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not for an accountant

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who's used to a GUI

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

#

Exactly

clear plume Jun 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

#

I think developing wn extension sounds fun

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

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it's easy to forget that normal people like GUIs

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:36 PM

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@clear plume It's fun once it stops punching you in the face

clear plume Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Just dodge the punch 4head

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

#

Had an error that just made NO sense

clear plume Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

#

JKJK

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Turned out that it didn't like me creating the image and setting its location in two different spots

#

The errors were not helpful in helping me track that down

clear plume Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

#

Ahh

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Do you know if there's some kind of store or community hub for these things? It would be cool for you to be able to publish yours if you're allowed

#

although

clear plume Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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That’s annoying

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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that sounds like the kind of thing enterprise would dislike

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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There is a marketplace thing yeah

#

Eh.... I mean I currently have it sitting on a private repo on GH

#

There's no license tied to it, and there's nothing confidential or proprietary about the add-in

#

I mainly just don't think it'd be clean enough that I'd feel good about publishing it

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:39 PM

#

that's fair I guess. Although, if your guys find it useful, there's probably someone out there who would find it equally useful - and be very glad if they managed to stumble across it

#

well, no matter what that's not relevant right now. Main thing that matters is you're making progress

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:39 PM

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True, couldn't hurt. Main focus is getting it field ready

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:40 PM

#

yeah, that's the right focus

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:40 PM

#

I can worry about dolling it up later

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:40 PM

#

I have a terrible tendency to look miles ahead

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I do with my own projects, but for work stuff I tend to zero in

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:41 PM

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that's absolutely the best way. If you can focus on making some progress every day, you end up making actual good progress

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:41 PM

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So far it's only been little bits of progress. Currently fighting with how to implement images on the buttons

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:42 PM

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little bits of progress are what build products. I don't think anything was built in a day

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 6:43 PM

#

We know beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that Rome wasn't built in a day.

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:43 PM

#

Well something is messed up

#

Now it's not working at all, and I'm not getting any output or errors

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 6:44 PM

#

you've been javascripted

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:44 PM

#

Ayep

#

Yeah something isn't right here

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 6:44 PM

#

You've Just Been Javascripted!™

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 6:45 PM

#

Think I'm going to reboot, something in the background isn't clicking

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:01 PM

#

Okay, take two

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:18 PM

#

Okay, this project is cursed

#

That's the only conclusion I can come to

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:39 PM

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google auth system

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because of all the people with gmail

forest isle Jun 26, 2020, 7:40 PM

#

Hi im new, I think im at a stage where I could program something useful, but I just dont no what. Ive programed mandelbrot renderer, a raycasting engine, a 2d gravity simulation ... but thats all "useless" and has been done better before. How can I find original, useful ideas? Any tips?

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

your friends probably have a loads of "million dollar app/webstite" ideas

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:43 PM

#

For the record, this project is bullshit. Carry on

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:48 PM

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@plucky ridge Which project?

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Oh the Excel Add-in thing

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Did they delete their message or something?

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:50 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/726142698637230171

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I'm lazy

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Ouch.

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2001?

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Yeeeeeeep

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And in fairness, it's worked for that long

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:51 PM

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if it ain't broke don't fix it i guess

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:51 PM

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But now it is broke/will break so I do have to fix it

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But the reason for my little outburst was because of this

📎 unknown.png

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So, that's a bunch of base64 strings that translate to images. They're several hundred characters long.

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I initially had them all in a single line

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:52 PM

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what is that

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actually thx

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:53 PM

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But APPARENTLY, JS didn't like that

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:53 PM

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That's both terrifying and highly impressive

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javascript pff

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:53 PM

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So I was getting a while class of errors I had never seen before

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Like it just gave up trying to read the lines and then went "Whelp, nothing else is going to load now, screw you"

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But making them separate lines fixed it

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But I hate it

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And the ONLY reason I don't have it as a .json file is because I can't figure out how to make that work

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Since loading a local object isn't in JS

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And it's implementation specific

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But whatever, that works, no harm no foul. At least now I can see the image names, which will be handy for the next few steps

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:55 PM

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"Java Script Object Notation" not working in javascript

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ironic

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Well in fairness, it's normally served to the JS by a site or server or what have you

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Rarely if ever from the client computer

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So I get it

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But it's bullshit

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 7:56 PM

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is there really no way to load them from a file?

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:56 PM

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this sounds like a weird, weird project

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:56 PM

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I spent 2 days looking

undone berry Jun 26, 2020, 7:56 PM

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fair enough

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:56 PM

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I'm not saying there isn't, but I sure as hell couldn't find it

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Now that I have it working again, currently working out how to add image to the html buttons without making shit crash

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Because I CAN feed it the base64 strings and it'll properly take them and render them, but after that it straight up just froze the JS part

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Entirely

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Unless....

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:58 PM

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This project is way above my head lol

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:58 PM

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It's honestly really simple, it's just....

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The documentation is both helpful and unhelpful at the same time

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 7:58 PM

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base 10 is annoying enough, base 64 is just insane

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 7:58 PM

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That part was easy

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Did the conversion with Python in the REPL in like 5 minutes

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Dumped it as a json to a file

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I just realized I MAY be stupid

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I think I can load the .json via the HTML since I can do local references there...

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Hmm

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I'm very out of my depth on all this

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 8:01 PM

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whats it like thinking out loud into a text chat?

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Relaxing, probably

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my brain isn't wired that way

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Sorry

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Yeah it helps me organize my thoughts

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 8:02 PM

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no its fine

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:02 PM

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My brain is normally just noise so I have to write or speak to connect on a single thought

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 8:02 PM

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I just thought it was interesting

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:02 PM

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ADD suuuuucks

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 8:03 PM

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that sucks man

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:04 PM

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If I wasn't so easily distractible I'd say I'd be good at streaming while coding. Not because I think it'd be helpful to anyone but it'd be interesting to see how people take my thought process

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 8:05 PM

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that could also be funny, in a way

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"and this recursive function calls back to.. 'awe man that squirrel is awesome'"

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Honestly though, I feel bored all the time, right now I have avatar the last airbender playing to the right of discord

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Well more that I'd be just flipping back to Discord or start researching something else on a tangent

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Back in a tic

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 8:07 PM

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lol

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:10 PM

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This has taught me a lot about Visual Studio, though

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 8:11 PM

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how is visual studio?

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I like IDEA a lot, and also atom, how different is it

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https://vscodium.com/ is pretty good

VSCodium - Open Source Binaries of VSCode

Free/Libre Open Source Software Binaries of VSCode

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Sorry, dealing with a mod thing

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I do like it

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It's responsive, well put together, debugging is nice and clean

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And some of the tab behavior I think is better than PyCharm's

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But it's also friggin MASSIVE

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So, there's that

small fossil Jun 26, 2020, 8:40 PM

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does it support the VSC plugins?

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or is it incompatible with vsc plugins

errant wyvern Jun 26, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Visual Studio is completely different than Visual Studio Code AFAIK

small fossil Jun 26, 2020, 8:46 PM

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ik

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but that isnt VS

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thats a app built on VSC bins

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Yeah they're completely different monsters

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No compatibility in that fashion

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@red yew @tranquil quail Here's free if you want to discuss it

errant wyvern Jun 26, 2020, 9:00 PM

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vs code is the electron monster
vs is the... bloated monster

red yew Jun 26, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Ok sure thank you 🙂

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:00 PM

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To my knowledge, you wouldn't want to use an app store to distribute a program you only want a select number of people to use

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Hello

errant wyvern Jun 26, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I mean like, why do you use vs unless you're coding on c#

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:01 PM

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So how would you do it

red yew Jun 26, 2020, 9:01 PM

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I agree.

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:01 PM

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You'd likely host it on the business's server and have them download it or just send them the .apk itself via an email or something

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Idk anything about mobile dev

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I didn't know you could email the file

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Well it may be too large, in fairness

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But it's similar to desktop installers

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It's a single file that gets passed and used to install the program

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:02 PM

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That's a horrible idea

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:02 PM

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@rough sapphire Fair, I have a lot of those

red yew Jun 26, 2020, 9:02 PM

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You could always send several emails to make each file smaller

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:02 PM

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You can setup a repo through F-Droid and have them add that

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That way you get updates

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Ah, didn't realize that

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Good call

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:02 PM

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The Guardian Project does that with a few things

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:03 PM

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These are just prelim questions to see if it's doable

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:03 PM

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put it all in a repo and send a install.sh

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:03 PM

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You wouldn't need to root the phones right?

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:03 PM

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@rough sapphire An .sh file for an .apk?

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yes

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Why

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because I said my idea before i was 100% sure what we where talking about

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Ah, 😄

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:05 PM

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@tranquil quail If it's packaged in a .apk file, no, there wouldn't be any rooting needed

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Again, just like a regular installer

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Also, depending on what it is, you may not need a native application for mobile. Could get away with it as a mobile website.

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send it via firefox send

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:05 PM

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It's just a time tracker for employees to clock in clock out

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Those already exist

red yew Jun 26, 2020, 9:06 PM

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^^^

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Yes

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I know

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Free?

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Boss wants inhouse app

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Avoid long term costs

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Uh, that would actually increase long term costs, actually

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Potentially

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:07 PM

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yeah, internal support would suuuck

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Well that's ok with me I'm just in it for the work experience

red yew Jun 26, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Lol

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:08 PM

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@tranquil quail Lots of questions. One being, does this include anyone working from home?

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:08 PM

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No

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:08 PM

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So they physically have to be in the building?

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:08 PM

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But tbh I dont want to get into mobile dev

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Correct physically oresent

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Then yeah, a mobile app isn't necessary.

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Do tell

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Why would it be necessary?

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Just setup something like a Pi with a keyboard/mouse/screen, have someone login some way, clock in.

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Makes sense

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I don't know of your system / work environment, so I can't give any finer tuned suggestions

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or you know, some kind of AiO punchcard system

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Was just thinking the ol' punch cards

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Oooo

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Actually

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RFID cards

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:11 PM

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yeah was gonna say

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I hate RFID cards.

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just get ID, log timestamp

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Oh they're not that bad

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They're easy to configure

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Sure, but that's probably overkill here.

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Sure sure, but if security is concern, it's something to consider

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I just wanted to express the thought

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:12 PM

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just get one of them date/time stamp and a slot

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Would be rather easy to setup a bunch of systems - though we don't know what kind of industry they're in.

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Sure sure

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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My recommendation would be different if it was someone trying to setup a clock in/clock out system for a fast food franchise as opposed to a bank.

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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I think I'm just still riding the high of making more progress on the add-in

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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yeah if it was a bank though, they shouldn't be soliciting help on a discord server

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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God I hope not

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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@rough sapphire You'd be surprised.

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:13 PM

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We currently use wheniwork

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They have a monolithic architecture so it's not very flexible

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I choose to believe it's pronounced weenie-work

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:14 PM

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"yeah just store their uuid and password in Md5, its good enough"

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I can build her a backend and pull data from their API but long term idk

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She needs reports generated

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So if I do that, then the only reason she'd need the app would be to clock people in

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:15 PM

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make a discord bot, you know, say !clock in

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get the whole company on a server

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Sounds like you need a lot of things. Scheduling and the like is setup?

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Wym the like

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Scheduling people and not scheduling days/times they're not available

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Yeah

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 9:17 PM

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You can automate that, so manager doesn't have to do it

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:17 PM

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It's not complicated

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It can get complicated

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If your design isn't good

plucky ridge Jun 26, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Well. Yes

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That's why we want more details to help layout a good plan

tranquil quail Jun 26, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Driving currently unfortunately

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You never know in this discord when you'll get in depth help like this lol

Or just left unread for hours 😂

graceful basin Jun 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

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I just discovered why people find FP confusing

  Just (Just (Stashed ss)) ->
    let
      assert = flip toMaybe s <<< or
      _stash = (_game <<< _activeStash <<< _fromStash ss)
      hasStone =  assert <<< (<$>) ((>) 0) <<< preview _stash
      takeFromStash = Just <<< over (_game <<< _activeStash <<< _fromStash ss) ((-) 1)
      checkBoard = assert <<< preview (_game <<< _board <<< ix n <<< ix 0 <<< _size) >>> ((<$>) ((>) ss))
      addToBoard = flap $ over (_game <<< _board <<< ix n) <$> ((Cons <<< Stone ss) <$> preview (_game <<< _active) s)
      swapPlayers = Just <<< over (_game <<< _active) case _ of
        P1 -> P2
        P2 -> P1
    in
     fromMaybe s $ hasStone s >>= takeFromStash >>= checkBoard >>= addToBoard >>= swapPlayers
```it makes perfect sense knowing the context and types, but without it is just horrible

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Holy moly

rough sapphire Jun 26, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Ok so, I'm trying my best to make a personal website as a hub to find all my contact links etc.

Does anyone have a cool personal website that they'd like to show off. I'm in desperate need of inspiration.

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 1:18 AM

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@rough sapphire Does the website not have any intended purpose besides serving as your personal website? That's not meant to be an insult; many people make personal websites just because they can, and include lots of resources they've written on it.

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yeah, that's pretty much it

royal laurel Jun 27, 2020, 1:50 AM

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so weird that names don't get offlisted once they are used

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 1:57 AM

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names?

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 2:44 AM

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May someone please teach me how to sleep?

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Are there any beginner friendly tutorials or books out there?

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Or any interactive tutorials?

soft violet Jun 27, 2020, 2:50 AM

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There's a military technique.

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I'm not familiar with it, beyond "be fucking exhausted"

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But I think there's an actual thing beyond that.

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Exercise, avoiding phones/light near your bed would help.

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Fresh sheets.

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Decent ventilation in the room.

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 3:05 AM

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no blue light 1 hour before bed

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including night-mode screens

topaz aurora Jun 27, 2020, 7:01 AM

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I shall try out neovim later today

topaz aurora Jun 27, 2020, 10:45 AM

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aaand I switched

forest crane Jun 27, 2020, 11:33 AM

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Is there any ways to inherit from a struct in rust?

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https://riptutorial.com/rust/example/22917/inheritance-with-traits#:~:text=In Rust%2C there is no,(a trait in Rust). I've taken a look at this but it's more for implementing methods, what about fields?

Rust - Inheritance with Traits | rust Tutorial

rust documentation: Inheritance with Traits

topaz aurora Jun 27, 2020, 11:39 AM

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afaik it's not possible to inherit struct fields in Rust, given the fact that composition is a more dominant pattern in the language

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:42 AM

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ugh I wish I could zoom around a word document with ctrl + arrow

solid pollen Jun 27, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Ctrl + scroll wheel should work right?

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:44 AM

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you can

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what do you want to do that you can't do?

gentle moss Jun 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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i want to take a bath in tomato soup

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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why?

gentle moss Jun 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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to try to get the skin to match the hair

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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fair enough then. It's pretty acidic, so watch out for that

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:46 AM

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idk if its move 5 characters or what but the cursor "fast move" like in the terminal or discord

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:47 AM

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it does that by default

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:47 AM

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well not for me, but whatever

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wait im in libre office, lemme try on MS word real quick

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:48 AM

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oh

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yeah

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I assumed you were using the program that people actually use

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 11:49 AM

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yeah i think you brought this up a while ago as well

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:50 AM

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yeah, I use word for school, but you know, debian

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yeah thats true, it doesn't work in word, for me either, but whatever

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Google Docs seems better than Libre Office

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or even the cloud word thing

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:52 AM

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it is, but don't like google for privacy reasons

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functionality wise.. there's nothing else that's better in the market

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I never feel like I really know whats collecting data or not

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which one are you curious about:3

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oh it works now

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 11:54 AM

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tbh for schoolwork i'm pretty confident that google wouldn't be secretly collecting data from enterprise accoutns because that would be a whole other level of disaster if people found out

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:54 AM

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I yeah, except our school uses MS not google, so it'd be a private account

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well, enterprise users are helped with troubleshooting, so they probably have access to your account

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:55 AM

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I don't care that I'm giving MS or Google my data - those two products are lightyears ahead of anything else

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Latex is the closest thing

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but that has a massive learning curve

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:55 AM

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yeah, its true, although openoffice is pretty good

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well, you should care.. companies are not people.. if people are not all ok, imagine what companies are like

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

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why should I care?

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what can go wrong?

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they use it for advertising or feed it to some NLP monster

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

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everything

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

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I don't mind

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

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What did it cost

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

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well - it cost me nothing

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:56 AM

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lol

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that's kinda shortsighted

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:57 AM

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I'm willing to listen if you have any suggestions as to what can go wrong

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I'm talking specifically about documents here

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:57 AM

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My main thing is that google's whole business is targeted advertising, so they have an incentive to collect as much data as possible

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:57 AM

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not all my data

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:57 AM

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collecting your data, they can use it to displace competition, monopolize markets.. own you

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

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that's an interesting point about displacing competition. I don't think that's a point worth me protesting by not using google docs on though

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

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oh sure.. I love google docs

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I don't mean that

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

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ah - that's all I'm talking about here

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

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I meant more like.. Fb collecting off facebook activity, etc

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 11:58 AM

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in the general sense, I agree

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 12:00 PM

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although, I was thinking, the online word program, once they implement all the features, do you think MS office is going to become an electron app like Teams?

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:00 PM

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I doubt it

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there's so many legacy features that people expect at this point

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they might come up with a little brother to office

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:00 PM

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and ms office online is still pretty shit

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

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thats true, I almost forget it exists usually

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

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i've only had bad experiences with it, yeah

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laggy piece of shit with rubbish collaboration

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

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and it crashes!

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

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although that was back in 2017

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:01 PM

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it crashes!

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a web app crashes!

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how?!

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we had a 1h20m physics lesson which was 75% my teacher getting angry because powerpoint online was crashing

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:02 PM

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why the fuck was he using powerpoint online?

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just print it to a pdf

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and look at it in FF or Chrome

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:02 PM

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presentation features

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 12:02 PM

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through the power of Microsoft, our products only work 50% of the time, and are full of stupid backwards compatibility features from 1995

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:02 PM

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he has to share screen through the online learning software

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so it needs to be in a window that's resizeable

warm widget Jun 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

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My main thing is that google's whole business is targeted advertising, so they have an incentive to collect as much data as possible
@rough sapphire frfrfr. They deadass collect almost all your data.

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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real men use Vi

warm widget Jun 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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Won't be surprised if my voice is locked away somewhere in their database for later use.

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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it is

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you can even download it yourself.

warm widget Jun 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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My face too?

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Won't doubt it.

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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Vi doesn't let you prepare documents unless you're using latex

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and fuck latex

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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Groff

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Md

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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oh

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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intellibrain, or?

warm widget Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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This is why me and tor are best friends.

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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I hadn't heard of Groff

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MD - is trash for documents

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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It's an older meme

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you are quite grumpy today Charlie

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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I'm always grumpy

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I love markdwon

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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Markdown is fantastic for small documents.

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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I just wish it was 10% better

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:33 PM

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What are you missing?

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Tools for nicer headers, columns, underlining

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those are the big three

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they're pretty simple

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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document headers?

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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yeah

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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it has underlining?

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:34 PM

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not most implementations

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discord does

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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__kek__

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yeah ok

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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lots of places don't support it

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iirc Pandoc doesn't

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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I'm quite sure pandoc does

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what about the abomination of R-markdown?

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sounds like something for you

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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that's what pandoc does with my underscores

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

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So, what do you hate about latex?

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

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it's hard to learn and I'm lazy

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latex is somehting I should obviously learn

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but it's pretty big

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

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For most usecases I don't think so

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:38 PM

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well - from an outsider perspective it seems big

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:38 PM

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just start with something like overleaf, and look at a basic template?

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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The next essay I need to write, I guess I will

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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tbh it seems like something you could learn as you need to use it

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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FeelsOkayMan

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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like basic html

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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yeah

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my classmates did

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and it was fine

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:39 PM

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ok what is this

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https://open.spotify.com/track/1t8Xmox4sI3w2v4lMfXyJp?si=_7zFPyWyTIOkTSM6T5RT8A

Spotify

Gold Dust (feat. Ms Dynamite)

Gold Dust (feat. Ms Dynamite), a song by DJ Fresh, Ms. Dynamite on Spotify

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it's gold dust but

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not

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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ZZoomer

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Iunno. I tried using it for an essay once and quickly decided I couldn't take the time to learn it

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probably because of my habit of starting essays 24hrs before they're due

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:40 PM

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KEKWW

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being able to version control it, is so nice.

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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imagine having to do essays

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well i didn't this year

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some next year for chemistry of all things

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:41 PM

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essays are easy

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I like me a good essay

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being able to version control it, is so nice.
That's what I love about Markdown, it works perfectly in Git

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Luke Smith has some videos on Groff, Troff, Latex, Markdown, R-markdown etc.

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You should probably use Latex though compared to groff or troff PepeLaugh

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but I kinda like the oldschool ones.

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:44 PM

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yeah, if it's from 1990 I'm not gonna put that much effort into researching it

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But Markdown makes me so salty because it's so close to perfection

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but it's fragmented, and the tooling to work with it for documents isn't great

high verge Jun 27, 2020, 12:45 PM

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readme.docx :)

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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LuL

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:47 PM

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how is it that Netflix crept into that acronym?

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the others are massive, Netflix is so much more focused

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I think they just needed a vowel and went with Netflix

gentle sparrow Jun 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA22692.jpg

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jupiter mang, from the JunoCam on board the Juno probe

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cool as shit

small fossil Jun 27, 2020, 12:56 PM

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that is insane

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 12:57 PM

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@leaden shuttle lat thing about the document stuff. R Markdown actually looks very neat

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Nice 👍

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I remember when I viewed jupiter for the first time in my telescope

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was so blown away

small fossil Jun 27, 2020, 1:00 PM

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I should actually setup my one 😩

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but it needs some work doing to it

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 1:02 PM

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I have too much light polution where I live now, so had to sell it FEelsBadMan

undone berry Jun 27, 2020, 1:02 PM

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soon there will be too much light pollution everywhere from satelites

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 1:05 PM

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It really is quite sad

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 1:13 PM

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I was in the azores once.. no light pollution at all

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can see the stars clear as day..

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sometimes stayed up all night looking up.. it was beautiful

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then I found this https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/7zd7lu/portugal_us_base_in_the_azores_linked_to_inflated/

r/europe - Portugal: US base in the Azores linked to inflated cance...

8 votes and 1 comment so far on Reddit

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which is very sad

solid pollen Jun 27, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Oh hey, I remember some people here bitching on UE4 because of the one frame input delay, it is actually just an option, by default all the objects ticks on post physics work, but you actually want to make everything that touch the player view a pre physics work

gentle moss Jun 27, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i bitch until the cows come home about how its input system is flawed

solid pollen Jun 27, 2020, 2:15 PM

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C'mon haha

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Their input system is fairly good, the programmers are the issue

gentle moss Jun 27, 2020, 2:23 PM

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the input still introduces latency after having 21 years to perfect this shit

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and yet the stuff coming from an id software base is, for the most part, solid

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does that seem right to you?

solid pollen Jun 27, 2020, 2:27 PM

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I mean, I just had an issue with input delay making my portal looks awful, problem solved, no more delay

stuck meteor Jun 27, 2020, 2:48 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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does someone know how to resolve this?

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zlib1.dll missing

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i can't run the program

leaden shuttle Jun 27, 2020, 3:02 PM

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yes @stuck meteor https://manjaro.org/download/#kde-plasma

Manjaro

Manjaro - Downloads

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:34 PM

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@idle night Calculus and Linear Algebra are only fun if you like math

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Is it objectively fun?

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:34 PM

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But yeah, I personally would say that they are

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Probably not

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since there is no such thing as objectively fun

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But people who like Math generally like Calc and Linear Alg

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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How can I make everything in life fun?

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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?

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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do less but do harder

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that way you reach enlightenment

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I want to become passionate about everything.

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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and everything becomes fun

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Including cleaning up garbage

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How can I have fun doing everything?

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Well, give up trying to do that, since not everything in life is fun :P

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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The true non-philosophical answer is to listen to music and challenging yourself on a timer

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that way taking out the trash 5 am in the morning becomes an adventure

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try it out

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Or to detach your mind from the activity and just focus on the activity. Detach the sensory impressions.

bleak rain Jun 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I listen to hacker music on full volume when I'm doing boring CSS work

rough sapphire Jun 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Yeah, these things stop being fun though. Our brain is hard-wired to not always experience fun.

idle night Jun 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Because fun vs not fun are just thoughts and sensory impressions at the end of the day.

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Animals don’t know what fun is.

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Look at birds or insects.