i'm confused you want the code for it, or you want a provider hosting a socks5 proxy in france?
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
sullen thorn
thin meteor
I want a provider π
sullen thorn
yeah idk i thought you were asking for c++ code lol
nordvpn has a socks5 proxy option π€· seems worth a shot
i'd bet they have french servers too
thin meteor
in the idea I wish socks not too much used in order to have a good score
thin meteor
I just need to be trusted and maximize my chances
like using a vpn you are spotted .. same for public socks
we are going to be very offtopic :/
halcyon mantle
yo yo yo
high verge
what's popping
sullen thorn
@thin meteor why not rent a server and host your own proxy?
midnight sphinx
Anyone know how to reset a netgear Nighthawk security questions?
eager trout
nice
found a link on that the second you asked the question the first time
check this https://kb.netgear.com/24220/How-do-I-recover-my-NETGEAR-admin-password-using-the-password-recovery-feature @midnight sphinx
midnight sphinx
Well its not admin password
eager trout
oh
midnight sphinx
Its security questions
He set them up and forgot them :/
Seems like I need to perform a factory reset on router
eager trout
I did a bit of research and yeah that's what sources are saying
midnight sphinx
Fuck
eager trout
but wait
eager trout
was about to ask if you logged into your isp on your router
like, did your isp have to come set it up?
eager trout
have no idea yet
midnight sphinx
Damn it
eager trout
cause once, I factory resetted my router and an isp guy had to come over to help us login
midnight sphinx
Login what?
eager trout
buuuuuuuut, it shouldnt be a problem if you know your isp password and those pop3 imap stuff
midnight sphinx
To login the router I have the password
eager trout
yeah but you need your isp password and username
midnight sphinx
Oh
Damn...
What if I call my ISP?
Would they know the answers to the security questions?
Like do they have the info?
eager trout
nah
midnight sphinx
Welp I guess damn
eager trout
its a router security question not an isp security question right?
midnight sphinx
No its a personal question my friend needs to answer
Like what city he was born in....
He don't know wtf he put for that.......
Alright well thanks for the help
soft violet
ISP supplied router with their own firmware?
Those are frustrating.
Time was, you could buy your own modemrouter to face the internet and you'd configure it, yourself.
Here, you're lucky if you don't get kicked off the network for doing that, these days.
Because fuck providing competing systems with the license or knowledge to be compliant.
Which is a rort.
Then what you get is a spyware'd locked down piece of crap.
and you have to LIKE it
cosmic lotus
what's poopin
bleak lintel
it's monday
bleak lintel
school
sullen thorn
is this like a zoom thing? i don't remember ever having a meeting at school
sullen thorn
it's like you forget i'm in the uk 
bleak lintel
i mean you did just say why did I have a meeting on a sunday so I assumed otherwise lol
sullen thorn
that's just me not having slept yet and being confused
bleak lintel
lmfao
wheat lynx
I went to school the other day
sullen thorn
what country?
wheat lynx
UK
sullen thorn
your parent an essential worker?
bleak lintel
yeah we're having a slow reintroduction
I'm in school on Wednesday
but otherwise everything is just on teams
wheat lynx
Naw it was like a one day thing, but yeah, everything is on teams
rough sapphire
fuck sake
so i've misplaced my logitech G305 dongle
"should be fine", i think to myself, "i've got loads of logitech unifying receivers lying about"
"G305 only works with the Logitech Lightspeed receiver"
fml
round rose
Aye, fellow G305 user
bleak lintel
SteelSeries ftw
bleak rain
I need ideas/inspiration for my text based rpg
Make your boring Monday not boring by sharing your wacky and crazy ideas here
And a stranger may incorporate them into his game
rough sapphire
what genre, even?
can't be suggesting sci-fi ideas for something taking place in the medieval era
graceful basin
make a C fib calculator, it fast https://hastebin.com/coxisowoxi.c
graceful basin
the matrix [[0, 1], [1, 1]] when multiplied by a vector of two consecutive fibs gives the next pair of fibs, e.g. [2, 3] -> [3, 5]
so by repeatedly multiplying the vector, you can get consecutive fibs
rough sapphire
interesting
graceful basin
and instead of multiplying the vector many times, you raise the matrix to a power
and then you can use a specific power algorithm whose name I forgot that is O(log n)
rough sapphire
hmm quick thought but does that mean that the fibonacci numbers are a vector space
where those vectors are the basis vectors
a pair of consecutive ones that is.
i guess yes?
graceful basin
this is the algo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation_by_squaring
rough sapphire
aaaa
graceful basin
though my impl is a bit weird because I could not think of a smart way to do this, so I just go over each bit in an unsigned long
rough sapphire
your algorithm might gain some speed if changed the calls to use pointers instead of copying
you're copying all those floats every time on that function call
graceful basin
I think the compiler should be able to figure that out. mpz_t is only 16 bytes, the rest is allocated by gmplib and not copied. I tried making the matricies not copied and it made no difference
rough sapphire
high verge
factual but not logical
in my opinion
i.e. 'true fact', 'true fact', 'true fact' > random assertion
lofty dirge
worldwake, many people see ICE as racist cops due to whole child separation at border and racial profiling they have been known to engage in.
rough sapphire
i don't have any idea about what ICE does but I didn't honestly know about the whole github thing. the ICE thing came just on top.
lofty dirge
ICE is American Law Enforcement agency in charge of internal immigration enforcement
Github provides them via a contractor a Github Enterprise Server for all software they have
rough sapphire
didn't microsoft buy github anyway
lofty dirge
yes
digital seal
Hey, a bit off topic but @rough sapphire been wondering what inspired the name
rough sapphire
i mean, this is the off topic chanel
also 4c 75 67 69 78 69 6f 6e is Lugixion in ascii, it looks like
which apears to be a spanish language youtube channel
digital seal
Lol, that confirms it I guess
digital seal
He might be streaming right now, probably rocket league
"Ready for playing on the Champions Field (day)" + Do Not Disturb mode
rough sapphire
i don't actually know them, i just had a hunch, btw
digital seal
A really good one
glass gorge
@wise summit Hello, excuse me. Do you have a minute?
glass gorge
Why do you have a folder full of pictures of my cat, on my tiles 
wise summit
huh
glass gorge
from #discord-bots earlier
wise summit
dats my cat π
glass gorge
Nuh oh!
glass gorge
yep
plucky ridge
That cats are coming from inside the house!
plucky ridge
Is that a tongue or their lips?
wise summit
LIPSSS
glass gorge
i gotta take more pic...
wise summit
I hope i haven't O_o
glass gorge
Not that i know of, do I have to investigate?
glass gorge
wise summit
it's just me crying bc my bot won't work
wise summit
Nothing now!
glass gorge
! :D
wise summit
it's working now π
glass gorge
That's great
glass gorge
College teaches you how to learn
wise summit
I've learned more from this discord than I have in a year of college
glass gorge
So it has done its job well then :)
wise summit
Well if you put it that way, it has!
glass gorge
I realized that 1/2 into uni
wise summit
I'm 16, debating uni rn
wise summit
we have to do work to prepare for university but like
meh
I'm not sure if i even want to go
and im sure with the right attitude you can achieve anything π
glass gorge
I'm not going to say ditch Uni (or higher education), but if you have a passion it might just be worth chasing that
wise summit
of course
glass gorge
A lot make it well in programming without education
but education helps you get in the door of more "normal" jobs
wise summit
i want to be a graphic designer, and even my graphics teacher said don't bother if your aspirations are freelancing or agency-side
rough sapphire
Art is tough
wise summit
it sure is tough, but luckily i have a head start π
undone berry
Just remember. Those who can do, do; those who can't, teach
glass gorge
but it was mostly page layout, accessibility, styling etc
rough sapphire
If you aren't one of the best, you're not going to make it very far :P
Not to say that you can't be one of the best, it's just a huge time investment.
glass gorge
Thats... Slightly wrong in my eyes
Sure, not everyone can be tony hawks in skateboarding
but there are 1000s of aspiring skaters that make more than an average salery
Without being famous
If you enjoy it, and can make a living of it
rough sapphire
Well, one of the best != famous
glass gorge
go for it Β―_(γ)_/Β―
rough sapphire
I used to want to become an concept artist and every professional I talked to had an insane amount of practise.
Maybe it's a bit different with graphic design, but I assume not by a big margin.
glass gorge
I'd imagine it's a lot of networking
You can skip the networking if your art reaches people simply by being exceptionally good
But if you network you just have to be good enough for the people you reach
wise summit
dribbble, behance, instagram, twitter and a good amount of people with already decent audiences and you're set
glass gorge
I earned a few bucks removing a dumbster from a wedding photo from a random post i found on reddit. Doesn't make me a photoshop master
wise summit
tru
glass gorge
I hardly know how to remove a pimple on my own face with ps
wise summit
i think my most favourable photoshop work is restoring old photos torn photos
rough sapphire
Yeah, it depends on goal you have. If you want to work as a full time designer, for a good revenue, then you just have to be good^^
wise summit
and giving them colour
glass gorge
That is an impressive skill
Just finding the right colors seem like a skill in of itself
wise summit
Honestly, for the rest of my life - I'd be very happy with a modest wage being a designer in an agency
wise summit
it gives me the freedom i want. there's no regional restrictions. as long as i have a stable secure job and a laptop - i have revenue
glass gorge
But i enjoy having someone that schedule what I have to do
so i sorta enjoy the "cubicle life"
wise summit
i don't at all
glass gorge
I'm allowed to solve the problems however i want Β―_(γ)_/Β―
but i have issues that needs to be solved non the less
high verge
i also have issues that need to be solved
glass gorge
Just last week i was assigned to fix an issue about creating new httpclients in C#. I said I won't "fix it". Im trashing the whole thing and doing it properly
I'm now the <insert projects same> guy at work π€
wise summit
i need to learn C#
wise summit
i have a project to start on
for college
im planning to do all of the graphical work over summer
and start on the programming when college starts again
we got to choose what we want to do
so i decided to make a game
i have no idea how
but thats what 3 months of summer is for
glass gorge
That could be a tough project, depening on what kind of game
glass gorge
You're going to have a hard time bugfixing π
gray leaf
undone berry
oh - that's surprising. I thought even until very recently Mixer was still acquiring exclusivity contracts with big names
sand goblet
page
The second peculiar thing about Mixer's shutdown is that Microsoft had begun a bullish investment strategy to secure exclusive streaming partners in August 2019. This began with a massive, multi-year deal with popular Fortnite streamer Tyler "Ninja" Blevins signed only 10 months ago, and that deal was reportedly worth over $20 million. Microsoft followed its Blevins deal with others.
yes.
red willow
$20 million!?
too bad I gave up video games a while ago
my parents lied to me..
..they told me you couldn't make a living playing video games all day!
π£
rough sapphire
and its not "playing games all day"
red willow
π
undone berry
lucky
rough sapphire
there's a lot of video and pr stuff you have to do
red willow
you programmers are so logical, I was honestly just making a joke
I know it is no walk in the park
rough sapphire
you should try meeting some lawyers then...
rough sapphire
nah it'd cost too much
rough sapphire
touchΓ©
red willow
anyone know of a python library that can improve my social skills?
undone berry
afaik the only way to do that is to use them
red willow
alright, guess I'll flex my muscles
undone berry
hey - I didn't say I do it
red willow
"back in my day we made plans with our friends to go places"
undone berry
I'm just aware that's what successful people do
from my perspective, outside is where other people belong
red willow
other people?
rough sapphire
no you sat in a chair, and did a little circle with your thumbs! could pass hours that way
rough sapphire
ah yes the finger trap
you know the police in my town made one's that went over your whole arm
would attach you to a post for jaywalking they would
would sit there for days
oh how you would sit there for days
leaden shuttle
Evening 
rough sapphire
evenening
leaden shuttle
Got promotion today 
rough sapphire
cool
red willow
π₯³
rough sapphire
are you now a half stack developer instead of a quarter stack?
red willow
what did you get promoted to?
@rough sapphire
rough sapphire
thats great!
leaden shuttle
so instead of working 50 h/weeks I can work 37 for the same pay
red willow
are you American?
leaden shuttle
leaden shuttle
@red willow nope, Danish
red willow
oh, I love the Danes
leaden shuttle
We don't like ourselves :D
red willow
guess you don't have to worry about working overtime without extra pay?
leaden shuttle
Well, it's complicated.
red willow
oh I see
leaden shuttle
but I want to work as much as possible on the side
red willow
wlel in this economy...
rough sapphire
ah so you get the sticky end of the stick
red willow
have at it
leaden shuttle
and my contract wouldn't allow that before.
rough sapphire
but you know, 2020 and all your lucky to have a job
leaden shuttle
yeah!
red willow
and apparently it is difficult o fire anyone there
leaden shuttle
haha
I just put it together
had it in my drawer for ages, brought out the soldering kit
red willow
I thought nymann stood for New York Man
leaden shuttle
No stabilizers for space bar though, oh my.
@red willow nope, my middlename #SelfDoxx
I think it's norweigan
undone berry
that's the worst keyboard setup going
rough sapphire
Make so@e
red willow
howironic
leaden shuttle
Are you an excel man @undone berry ?
red willow
one programmer I work with loves old school keyboard
rough sapphire
Numpads arenβt critical
red willow
especially the mechanical ones
undone berry
moreso that the arrow key bank of keys
red willow
numpad reminds me of a phone pad
rough sapphire
Love the pre 2016 macbooks
leaden shuttle
I have never used numpad in my life
undone berry
really? Typing phone numbers or dates is much easier with it
leaden shuttle
Well sure, logically that makes sense
rough sapphire
Only on very rare occasions
leaden shuttle
but I have just always used the alphanumericals
undone berry
I'd say I use my numpad pretty much every day
leaden shuttle
or w/e you wanna call that row.
rough sapphire
I donβt have it like 99% of the time anyway
leaden shuttle
I think numpad makes sense when you type in phonenumber or doing accounting
but I am not doing that so 
red willow
whatever suits your needs
rough sapphire
Yeah call center/accounting itβs irreplaceable
red willow
π
leaden shuttle
I need to do something about this spacebar though, hooooly moly.
it's all over the place without stabilizers haha
rough sapphire
Librecalc π
rough sapphire
For a GNU dawn
undone berry
I like mine, but don't use it because of the blue switches and the numpad thing
rough sapphire
Laptop gang
undone berry
I've started using home/end a bit - but I can live without them
leaden shuttle
Guess what switches this one has? π€
undone berry
blue
sand goblet
I use my numpad too
undone berry
cherry mx blue
rough sapphire
Mechanical
undone berry
yeah - I use my numpad as well, but can live without it
leaden shuttle
blue, tealios, box whites, reds and some box reds.
xD
just remains I had lying arround
undone berry
what switches are the main body?
rough sapphire
Mmmm inconsistency
leaden shuttle
primarily cherry blues, and I hate those.
undone berry
or is it like f is blue and j is red?
leaden shuttle
worst switch in history I think.
leaden shuttle
Box whites are the tits though
undone berry
part of that is the actual board I think
leaden shuttle
let me see if I can find a vod
this is pretty up there
love this guy, such a magnificient voice
red willow
that looks like an 80's synthesizer
sand goblet
you guys remember it?
leaden shuttle
Optimus maximus
sand goblet
the one with a screen below every key
leaden shuttle
haha
sand goblet
lol I went to the site for the people behind that keyboard and
red willow
I prefer shortcut keys over using distinct keyboard buttons
leaden shuttle
@sand goblet lol
undone berry
that aint gdpr compliant yo
red willow
nice to have some honesty
undone berry
although - gdpr cookie compliance rules are bullshit
undone berry
it's practically impossible to be compliant with GDPR cookie law in any meaningful way. You're supposed to track when users consent to cookies - but you have no way to prove whether or not they actually consented
here - have an amusingly bad photo of the two keyboards I use regularly
@sand goblet https://twitter.com/NESbot_feed/status/1275137230881857536?s=20
Turns out the move wasn't just surprising to me
Twitter
sand goblet
that was in the article yeah
undone berry
oh
sand goblet
along with a bunch of racism from one of their managers
leaden shuttle
That's a 10 Charlie, invert it.. warm it up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLP9mbCuhJc
My colleague has just fallen for the Gentoo meme
F
rough sapphire
no LFS is the final stage
rough sapphire
idk i don't know much about void
The void stares back
void has an entry in neofetch
sand goblet
bedrock linux is an interesting one
rough sapphire
i might start messing around with this bedrock linux thing in a VM
this looks really cool
I love debian, but also like shiny new software and the AUR
royal laurel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717776113476042814/724783743465685042/2020-06-22_21.31.16.png
woo!
finished
officially
(deer not included)
royal laurel
kinda is
solid pollen
Noice
high verge
I don't suppose anyone here has a greenscreen
soft violet
The practical purpose or the thematic choice?
obtuse falcon
thematic chocihe
wooden silo
As far as I'm aware, it's just because we needed a naming scheme that wasn't ordered
And we needed a set of names that was at least 32 large.
Elements are distinct and memorable.
plucky ridge
So I decided I wasn't getting anywhere with my desktop version of Office and signed up for the Microsoft 365 Developer Program
We'll see if that makes a difference
undone berry
@plucky ridge The whole idea of Excel extensions has caught my imagination for some unknown reason. I like the idea of building one that just pulls some stats from an API or something and putting it on github - but before I actually think about starting, I'm just curious if you know what they're like to actually deploy?
plucky ridge
@lofty dirge In our office we have Office 2016 and 2019. No one else has 365, however what matters is what version of the ExcelAPI they use, thankfully
lofty dirge
Charlie why extensions? Excel can read API natively
undone berry
because, I like the idea of being able to talk about using React inside of Excel in an interview
plucky ridge
@undone berry Haven't looked into that, I'm nowhere near that part
lofty dirge
You do that, you will become Office coder and that can miserable
plucky ridge
Yeah, there's a Taskpane in Excel now that's essentially an imbedded browser
It's how all the add-in stuff works now, apparently
undone berry
also - writing Excel scripty stuff with JS is much more appealing to me than actually learning Excel
lofty dirge
Why learn Excel?
plucky ridge
Excel really isn't bad.
lofty dirge
Most programmers I know only need the basics with Excel
plucky ridge
And I needed to learn it so I can help some of the auditors set up sheets
undone berry
I'm sure it's not - but I just don't want to have to deal with it
plucky ridge
I think my ONLY beef with Excel is that your formulas in a cell don't have newlines
So it's just one giant one-liner and it's ugly as sin
lofty dirge
Charlie you know how do formulas in excel right?
undone berry
I can use Google sheets pretty well - and the stuff I've done with that is almost identical to Excel
lofty dirge
Most people I know when they get complex formulas like that end up making a sheet that steps through those formulas
My wife does a ton of Excel for her job. Her excel.exe memory usage gets up to 12GB at times
undone berry
but something like grabbing stats from an API, I have no idea how I'd do it in Excel - but I can see every single step necessary to write the React side panel thing in order to do that
I know Excel can do that pretty easily
I just don't want to google how
lofty dirge
Excel has βImport dataβ that handles that
It can pull from Access or MSSQL among other sources
Itβs why Google Sheets is consider little weaker cousin.
undone berry
alright - something like populating an Excel sheet with plane locations based of an ADSB radar
I could do that pretty easily I think
with React
lofty dirge
Sure
undone berry
I'm mostly saying that because I think it's a cool thing to put on GH and I just thought of it
plucky ridge
Well keep in mind that your React is only going to apply to that Taskpane
If you want it actually ported over to the worksheet itself, you'll have to get your hands dirty in the API
undone berry
Yeah - it would literally be like 2 inputs for a URl for a Raspberry Pi and a button
then everything would happen on the backend
I can dig into the API - from my quick look, it didn't seem at all bad for basic stuff like populating cells
plucky ridge
It's not
lofty dirge
Do you have ADSB receiver?
plucky ridge
The higher up you go in the API versions, though, the more irritating they become, at least that's what I've found.
undone berry
I have a Raspbery pi and an antenna yeah
plucky ridge
All Dogs Serve Biscuits
undone berry
wheres this dog? I'd like some bourbons please
lofty dirge
Something something receive aircraft transponder data
undone berry
yeah - I don't even remember what it actually stands for
just know that's the thing it's called
plucky ridge
Ah, wasn't aware.
And so far my "make up a funny thing on the spot" has worked for me
Whelp, fingers crossed that uninstalling my Excel 2016 doesn't remove the license key info from the registry, since they've hidden and obfuscated the key itself
And I can't have this version and 365 on the same machine at the same time, apparently
lofty dirge
Nope
plucky ridge
Doesn't remove it or...
lofty dirge
Key? No clue
lofty dirge
I havenβt dealt with non O365 in 4 years
plucky ridge
I wonder how it matches up costwise
lofty dirge
About the same
plucky ridge
Also, beyond the first time starting the program, does O365 require you to have an internet connection constantly?
lofty dirge
Desktop version must check in every 30 days
plucky ridge
Makes sense
lofty dirge
Like 30 bucks in 5 years more expensive
Year 6 is obviously more expensive but bonus is with on premise, bulk cost is mainly in year 1. Office365 cost is spread out.
plucky ridge
Sure sure. It's just the kind of stuff I have to think ahead on when trying to suggest stuff to the partners
Accountants and their money
undone berry
I'm surprised an accountants firm isn't on o365
It seems like for enterprisey places it just makes much more sense
i've just spent the last hour, or the parts of it where I wasn't talking here, trying to solve a problem - turns out the problem was I was in a function named migrateDown when I obviously should have been in migrateUp
sand goblet
Good times
rough sapphire
halo
lofty dirge
Hemlock, Capex vs Opex has real cost too
But O365 only makes sense if you convert lock stock and barrel to it. Email/ Sharepoint OneDrive
Teams
plucky ridge
Sorry, "Capex" and "Opex"?
Yeah, we have our own file server and email server, so it really wouldn't benefit us too terribly much to go over to O365
lofty dirge
Capital Expendure vs Operational One
your salary is OpEx, the cost of recruiter one time to find and hire you, capital
Buying a car, CapEx, Maintaining a car, OpEx
Buying Office, Capital Expense, buying Office365 OpE
plucky ridge
Gotcha
lofty dirge
OpEx is more expensive over time usually BUT doesn't come with massive one time cost
which of course is benefit in opporunity cost
plucky ridge
OH, actually, just thought of something. Remember... I think it was either last week or week before last, when I was talking about our incoming mail being fucked up? We figured out what it was
lofty dirge
We?
plucky ridge
By we I mean our IT folks
lofty dirge
Yeah, we have our own file server and email server, so it really wouldn't benefit us too terribly much to go over to O365
plucky ridge
Our domain provider wiped our DNS configuration when they redid their site
lofty dirge
So as Office365 consultant, my conversation to your CEO would be, how much is that costing you?
You have 2 IT people for 20 person shop, that's way overstaffed
That File Server and Email Server has real cost in labor/maintaince/hardware
plucky ridge
1 inhouse IT/Administrative Assistant/Office Maintenance + 3rd party IT consultant firm
lofty dirge
Office365, that's all taken care of
I used to support 20 man shops as 3rd Party IT consultant
10 hours of IT time per week max
plucky ridge
My main point is that I'd be here regardless of whether I do IT or not
I was hired on originally as a runner
lofty dirge
Sure, but you can focus on shit that isn't keeping the lights on
maybe you build better Excel that allow auditors to work faster and take on more clients
plucky ridge
That reminds me, a bulb went out back here....
lofty dirge
maybe you could write that website in Flask so accountants can turn one hour paperwork job into 5 minutes
and you could Office server that is modern day
undone berry
you could turn that flask website into a word extension panel...
plucky ridge
That's going under the assumption that I know what I'm doing from the start
lofty dirge
so you are learning
still better then drudgery of "My email server is offline because someone screwed up DNS"
which BTW, Office365 would have figured out in 3 minutes of running troubleshooting wizard
learnign helps the business
lofty dirge
BTW, how do you yall handle appointments?
plucky ridge
Yeah
Depending on the partner.
I think a couple handle their own appointment schedules, others let the receptionist manage it
lofty dirge
receptionist could see everyone calendar easily
plucky ridge
They already can
Keep in mind, the firm has been around for decades
We're in no way floundering or having constant issues
undone berry
that means they probably have decades worth of inefficient processes ingrained
plucky ridge
@undone berry They do, and I've been weeding stuff out
lofty dirge
your email server has calendaring module?
plucky ridge
We've been getting new blood over the past few years, and things are ever evolving
Office-Logic does, yeah
I may gripe about it, but it gets the job done
lofty dirge
if they think Office365 wouldn't cheaper and more productive, they are insane
not to mention if they upgraded to M365, that covers AV and endpoint management
plucky ridge
Dude, I don't know
soft violet
@lofty dirge Does Office365 slice, dice and make those awesome spiral potato fries on skewers, too?
plucky ridge
I don't know if it's crossed their desks. I asked as an off-hand thought
lofty dirge
Nope, it's crap at cooking
Office365 has some nasty warts, it's just soooooooo attractive at the price point
and you don't have any other options besides in house which is nightmare on it's own
plucky ridge
Yeah I'm not down with that
They're going to want to keep a 3rd party IT solution even if I get up to the level of being able to run everything in house
And I don't disagree
lofty dirge
got it, I'll go back to my discord bot programming
undone berry
Discord bots have got to be the hobbyist area where the highest % of work is just duplicated a million times over
plucky ridge
Second only to Hello World and fizzbuzz
undone berry
and probably TODO list apps
plucky ridge
Trudat
lofty dirge
Charlie, there are existing Discord Bot that will tie Wargaming Login with Discord and change your roles based on Clan Membership?
plucky ridge
Huh
lofty dirge
that's what my bot does
plucky ridge
That sounds like it has a decent potential for failure if not handled properly
(not doubting your skills, mind you)
lofty dirge
it's not hard
graceful basin
are you storing passwords or does wargaming have oauth or similar
lofty dirge
you ask the bot to register you, it sends you a link with token specific to you, when you go to that link, it connects to Wargaming OpenID, you login and I get your Wargaming ID which then I can use to ask API information about you like Clan/Rank
graceful basin
ah, that should work well then
plucky ridge
Interesting
lofty dirge
I use OpenID exclusively, never store Username/Password, it's all handled by Wargaming
lofty dirge
only thing I store is Wargaming ID which is like your Discord ID, public unique identifier
plucky ridge
I could just see more primitive setups exploding
lofty dirge
of course
lofty dirge
yep
but there is also Cron process that checks their API every hour, makes changes in database and another process that updates your Discord Roles based off those changes
undone berry
It wasn't really about your bot - just thinking about general discord bots. Theres countless basic moderation and level up bots out there
basically, I was talking nonsense as a way to hide from real work
anything to avoid making a phonecall
plucky ridge
Join the club
lofty dirge
I hear you
honest star
Phone calls are the absolute worst
plucky ridge
Depends on who with
lofty dirge
my setup is overly complex because due to API calls, I had to develop my own discord library
for HTTP API calls
undone berry
i don't actually mind them too much - they're the fastest way to solve a problem. I just dislike estate agents and landlords
plucky ridge
Rabbit, something tells me you would have anyway
honest star
Well, any work related phone call is just instant dread for me
lofty dirge
yea, I'm not a fan of Discord.py object setup
plucky ridge
Any specific complaints?
lofty dirge
I have roleid and discordid which is what Discord API uses, why must this be so difficult
plucky ridge
Ah, I getcha
lofty dirge
also, they don't expose HTTP API
so I'd have to create two websocket connections
it's fine
Discord API using requests was much easier then I thought
plucky ridge
requests and not aiohttp?
plucky ridge
Fair enough
lofty dirge
my discord.py application is 87 lines of code
get messages, if they start with !, put them on ServiceBus for processing, if not, discard
plucky ridge
So not exactly exhaustive
lofty dirge
the other 6 microservices are much bigger
plucky ridge
Fair enough
undone berry
that's a lot of microservices for one Discord bot
plucky ridge
Kind of thought the same thing but also thought I might be silly for saying anything
undone berry
in fact - thinking about it, Im curious as to the setup. I can envisage a world where that's actually much nicer than the normal way
lofty dirge
flask site, discord message handler, discord listener, Wargaming API updater, stat checker, moderation clean up, special channel access handler
I could combine some but I prefer one main function, one application
cost some in memory but makes maintenance easier
some of it is terrible code that I could redo better and slowly am
undone berry
hm - that seems like it's spread too thin to me. I can't see much obvious benefit to splitting the discord processing up so much
lofty dirge
probably
small fossil
that do sound very over the top ngl
graceful basin
I have created the ultimate function https://hastebin.com/mugejipaxu.elm
topaz aurora
That formatting scares me
rough sapphire
Hey does anyone know the awnser to this?
plucky ridge
@graceful basin I understand it and I hate you for it
I think this was one of my issues with Elm as well. Part of why I've leaned more towards Reason
rough sapphire
Yeh i had some trubles understanding it
graceful basin
That is about 90% of elm, just wrapping and unwrapping things. The language would be much nicer with lenses
rough sapphire
And due to all of this shitty covid 19 i cant ask my teacher for help
plucky ridge
There's a lot about Elm that is almost great
But it just suffers from lack of additional support
topaz aurora
@rough sapphire I won't give you the answer outright but here's something to start with
90 = (n + 7) + n + (2n - 12) + (3n + 4)
graceful basin
I do love that I can do large changes and be sure I fixed everything though
plucky ridge
Oh it absolutely has its perks
I just feel like I can do stuff in Reason faster and just as safely
graceful basin
this is quite funny though
rough sapphire
which language is that?
plucky ridge
Elm
graceful basin
I should try writing some elementary optics into elm. Would help with this hell just for updating one field
plucky ridge
Better naming would also be beneficial
graceful basin
eh, the type system can deal with that.
plucky ridge
Future you will disagree
sand goblet
Does elm provide a DSL for defining the HTML markup as well?
graceful basin
if you mean how to create HTML with elm, you just have tagName [attributes] [Children] functions
sand goblet
That's a yes, okay
It's interesting, I can't decide if I like the idea of doing that or not
graceful basin
it is definitely better in the specific case of elm, because it lets you deal with them as you would with regular functions
undone berry
HTML is the best part about working on the web. I don't see much advantage in throwing it away - JSX seems like a good way to go
well - not throwing it away
but redefining the syntax for it for not much benefit
graceful basin
being able to manipulate tags the same way as every other language construct is really nice.
Especially since you have a lot of Maybe and such floating around in Elm, you can often Maybe.map or something instead of unwrapping it
rancid forge
is #ot1-perplexing-regexing a reference to this...? https://xkcd.com/1172/
high solar
Lmao nice
rough sapphire
high solar
you guys know somewhere I could find people who are ready to pay for code?
fiverr probably, but other places?
pine vector
perfect gift. for an enemy. π
rough sapphire
I love it
pine vector
i never could. red licorice, or "not licorice" rather...all day. π
rough sapphire
I really don't see why everyone hates it
undone berry
Probably the awful taste
pine vector
lol. i can't really say "why" i dislike it. i just know i don't.
honest star
Anise/Licorice is not a flavor that should be out on its own. That stuff is too strong
Add fennel to that list too
rough sapphire
It's not pure ofc
undone berry
Good to see oreilly books being put to their proper use though
pine vector
yeah, it could be the overwhelming anise. i do like anise in other contexts though.
sand goblet
Fennel is a good flavour (both types) but they need to be used appropriately
high verge
my god i just got a new monitor and it's incredible
so much brighter and bigger and clearer
honest star
Which monitor?
high verge
i have access to like 4 u2417has
U2417HA
and a couple otherrs
people are moving out of office space
so
monitors!
honest star
Niiiice
high verge
going from a single 20in one
made in 2011 apparently
(plus a classic square boi off ebay)
i might actually end up with 3 or 4 at once cause they came with all the mounting stuff as well
honest star
Set up a command station style dock. Everything gets its own window
undone berry
3 screens without proper mounts is rubbish
soft violet
@sand goblet I was told a story about how people used to make fun of Italian immigrants to Australia for gathering in droves to pick weeds to cook and eat. The Italians knew Fennel when they saw it.
Personally, I'm not a fan.
I can stand trace amounts. I'd have full amounts if pressed.
It's not abhorrent, just uncomfortable.
honest star
YES! I can hack my way to mpl's quiver with pyqtgraph.
sand goblet
Fennel seeds are amazing with sausages, change my mind
honest star
You're right though
autumn night
why would anyone want to change your mind
soft violet
I'm not a fan of fresh coriander (cilantro?). Corriander powder, and maybe ground seeds, too, I forget...now that can be really nice with the right dish.
autumn night
some people have an enzyme in their mouth that makes the fresh leaves taste bad. same for cucumbers
(source: my dad has the cucumber enzyme)
sand goblet
Like soap, apparently, yeah
autumn night
yep and apparently the cucumbers taste like dish water
honest star
Cilantro is soooo good though. I feel bad for people who have the "cilantro tastes like soap" gene.
sand goblet
Corriander is nice yeah
Cucumber is nice too however I ordered two courgettes and they delivered cucumbers today
And they didn't deliver my pointy peppers
My recipe is not looking good
soft violet
I wouldn't have said it tastes like soap, and cucumber's fine for me.
honest star
I have two herb pots outside of my side deck just for cilantro. Cucumber is just crunchy water to me.
soft violet
Crunchy water. I like that.
sand goblet
It really is crunchy water yup
soft violet
Though I'd argue ice fits that description, too.
honest star
I feel like the melting of ice to water in your mouth doesn't invoke quite the same feeling as biting into cucumber and just "WATER" in your mouth
autumn night
have you ever actually made cucumber water though? cucumber slices soaked in water for a while, maybe with some mint or lime or strawberries
its very pleasant in the summer
soft violet
I like them in sushi dishes and in sandwiches.
honest star
Ooooh, I haven't. I should though. I've done the mint/lime/strawberries.
autumn night
yep! you can do it with sliced citrus too, orange or grapefruit
blueberries even if you wanna get real zany
(obviously not all at once)
honest star
I've finally put in the strawberries in my garden, so I'm hoping to have a few I can pick in the next few weeks. I'll have to try the soaking in water.
autumn night
strawberries can be hard to grow at home
in my region they tend to start rotting as soon as they touch the ground
apparently in "professional" setups they are grown hanging on some kind of trellis
honest star
Yeah, it's a low down bush so the berries will start rotting if in contact with the ground/bugs/etc. I have plans to build a bit of a support system for the leaves to keep the berries off the ground.
rough sapphire
You can use fine wood chips to protect the strawberries
plucky ridge
I mean they're not great wood chips, but they're fine
undone berry
I thought greatwoods were fictional trees?
plucky ridge
Probably
undone berry
Can't really have greatwood chips then
plucky ridge
Fair
Well the add-in development is going more smoothly
Still running into some dumb things, though
honest star
Did you get the picture to move?
plucky ridge
Yes, but I'm running into a secondary issue: getting the coords for where I want it moved
Which you would think would be the easy part
honest star
Yeah, you usually just guess a (10,0) and then see which way the coordinate system is aligned
plucky ridge
Well I need to base it off the current active cell. The Range (a selection of cells), has a couple properties called top and left, which gives in pixels how far from that edge of the sheet it is
For some reason, I can't seem to get those numbers out of the range, thoughj
Although this is entirely possible it's just me misunderstanding how JS works
honest star
mmmm, I know literally nothing about JS. I'm guessing the documentation hasn't improved in the past ... day?
plucky ridge
I'm thinking it's a syncing issue
Looking at the docs more
Something to do with how I have to get the context to update with the information I need
Beginning to think that's been my issue with a few other things as well
bleak rain
answering help in both #python-discussion and the help channels isn't even an altruistic thing for me anymore
It's more like... an addiction
I gotta ween myself off this, I can spend like 4 hours just answering questions not noticing time fly by
I forget that I have my own projects
fuck
rough sapphire
Well, I personally learned a great deal of Python by answering questions^^ Definitely don't think it's a waste of time.
plucky ridge
@bleak rain What you just described is how I became a moderator and then admin. I spend faaaaaaar too much time on this server
rough sapphire
heh
bleak rain
lmao
undone berry
a moderator, then an admin. What's next? Owner, Discord CEO, President?
bleak rain
ceo of python
plucky ridge
I think that would require far more time than I can spare
bleak rain
Who would've known that being altruistic could be self-destructive?
You learn something new everyday it seems
undone berry
you could never be president anyway. Someone would stumble across your discord account and find all your hidden secrets
such as you being 999years too young
rough sapphire
no, im saluting hemlock lol
high verge
does she have rickets
sullen thorn
What does it mean for something to be cool? Like if I do/have something, can I decide for myself it itβs cool? Or does the label come solely from other people finding it cool?
Can you find your own thing cool without any input from others?
sullen thorn
Ok nice, I can self define something as cool then π
high verge
does python have ^ in a function call's argument list
and does that mean 'pointer to
'
or did i literally dream that
sullen thorn
They have * and /
Idk about ^
But also we have no pointers in python
So you probably dreamt it
high verge
rip
rough sapphire
cython
rough sapphire
Cython is real?!?
rough sapphire
I guess i Should have expected that was a thing
sullen thorn
lol
https://tryshift.com is using this as a discord client against ToS? i msgd discord on twitter a couple days ago but they never got back to me
it seems like it's just the web app, and there's no mods as far as i can tell
bleak lintel
I would assume it's against ToS
sullen thorn
which part of the ToS?
bleak lintel
guidelines clause
because https://discord.com/guidelines
You may not use self-bots or user-bots to access Discord.
sullen thorn
this isn't a bot of any kind
sullen thorn
so is my browser
bleak lintel
yes, on discord...
sullen thorn
it has no automated features that are not provided by discord
bleak lintel
it is not discord
undone berry
I mean - it could just be embedding discordapp.com in an iframe
bleak lintel
custom clients provide nothing discord don't and are against ToS
that would be okay I think then
sullen thorn
but also custom client doesn't mean bot
undone berry
custom clients provide nothing discord don't and are against ToS
That's just patently false. An example of a thing they provide is coloured names in voice chat
sullen thorn
and the guidelines only rule against bots
bleak lintel
@undone berry okay, but there are plenty that do not do that and are still against ToS
custom clients are against the ToS
undone berry
yeah, they are. But they do provide utility
bleak lintel
anything which accesses Discord using a user token which is not the Discord client is against ToS
sullen thorn
i feel like we've stepped beyond what the guidelines state
bleak lintel
however, if it is an iframe or embedded that is okay
sullen thorn
You may not use self-bots or user-bots to access Discord.
Doesn't this allow clients as long as they provide no functionality not already provided by discord?
bleak lintel
Automating normal user accounts (generally called "self-bots") outside of the OAuth2/bot API is forbidden, and can result in an account termination if found.
tardy goblet
how would they find?
bleak lintel
yes, even if you provide no extra functionality
sullen thorn
anything your client does that the official client doesn't π€· (or vice versa)
Automating normal user accounts
It literally says automating user accounts - if you're not automating stuff, it's not a bot, and not against ToS...
bleak lintel
Custom clients are user account automation.
rough sapphire
A question:, I found more than 130 .py files from my python course and I was thinking of creating repos with them. Is it a good idea or do I have to improve my code first?
sullen thorn
if i tell a custom client to send a single message, and it sends it, that's a 1:1 action - that's not automation
bleak lintel
If you want more information then email support@discord.com, but having seen terminations for custom clients I'm not hedging my bets that they will budge
tardy goblet
how do they find out it's custom client?
rough sapphire
And then I started learning JS
bleak lintel
Again, I'm going from what I've seen, I'm not sure of Discord's exact policy but it does seem that way
sullen thorn
the custom client doesn't behave like the official in some way
rough sapphire
These 130 files are on my google drive account
tardy goblet
I see
sullen thorn
no it's fair enough, experience trumps what policy says
tardy goblet
I can understand why tho
sullen thorn
loss say that for example on startup official client always gets list of users and then gets all their pfps, and then gets all servers - if a client connects and gets all servers first, they know it's unofficial
tardy goblet
with custom client they cannot ensure you won't do something bad
sullen thorn
oh nice π
sand goblet
I used to use it at work
tardy goblet
or the creator of custom client have not placed any kind of malware in their code
bleak lintel
yeah, iframes will be fine with ToS, same with stuff like https://meetfranz.com/
sullen thorn
franz seems better than shift