#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 405

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:50 PM

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the most annoying part is when i told the main IT staff / some teachers in a meeting discussing it

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"it's a good thing they haven't discovered TOR"

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"what's TOR? can we block that too?"

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cue a fucking riot of confusion

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 7:50 PM

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IT Professional - China grade censorship

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:51 PM

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"but you've blocked the others, why can't you do this one?"

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Who uses TOR in school?

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What?

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Lol teachers am i right? : lemon_fingerguns_shades

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I mean, it'd work

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:53 PM

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it'd also be almost entirely unblockable

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:53 PM

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can you not block tor by using the relay search? https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html

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Good thing my brother ain’t next to me

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 7:53 PM

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You'd have to disable USB ports to stop people installing it

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That'd be the easiest way

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:53 PM

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If he was looks like he would’ve learned TOR

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use tails

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Then the kids in his game would go play...

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Acid bunny

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That game was just interesting

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Shut down the internet, easy as that brainmon

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Especially playing it in 5th grade and didn’t understand what was going on

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Back in 5th grade

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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could've tbh @rough sapphire

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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for each connection, perform a search on the dest IP, if it pops up, it's obviously a node and you kill the connection

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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didn't think of that

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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or am I missing something here

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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ah well

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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tor bridges are a thing

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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i only knew of 2 kids who used tor there and that's because i talked to them about vpn's and proxies

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:55 PM

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@rough sapphire entry node is always a guard node which is always on the search database

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Man it’s really smart for them to put a advanced python channel

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or firefox lets you configure a proxy, there are hundreds of free things

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:56 PM

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probably made things worse.

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Wouldn't it be easiest to just block everything and allow if needed

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:56 PM

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ip's?

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because that'd be insane

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you can do it by port, but you can run a VPN through any port

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you're not going to close of 80 and 443

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:56 PM

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nah the teachers would complain because youd get "my obsucure conspiracy site is blocked"

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:57 PM

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i'm not sure that level of whitelisting is even maintainable

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:57 PM

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screw all of that, they'll just connect to a phones hotspot

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:57 PM

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at the end of the day: yes.

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Security is always as strong as its weakest link

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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you're literally not allowed to wrap an entire school building in a faraday cage

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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schools would try it

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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i mean in the UK you're legally not allowed to do it

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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at great taxpayer expense

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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blocking phone signal is a criiiiiime

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even for schools

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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lucky

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Why would you block phone signals?

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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because it blocks data usage

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Sounds like a prison

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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the idea that schools have is stopping kids in schools from viewing things they shouldn't while on school property

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which, to be fair to schools, is what you expect

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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to stop just tethering the school computer to a phone, to bypass the content filter

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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but that's got some heavy limitations in terms of technology

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eh, schools block tethering like that in other ways.

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wired connections, fixed networks, disable all USB.

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:00 PM

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it's pretty easy to stop tethering - pretty sure you can just disable access to it for certain user groups

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:00 PM

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yeah but if you disable USB you cant use usb sticks

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:00 PM

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In fairness it couldn't be THAT expensive to make the entire school a big Faraday cage

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:00 PM

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which is fine

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kids email their work in

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Imagine if schools had some MILITARY GRADE technology to block students from going in to some websites

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:00 PM

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or bring it in on a stick

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teacher can move it across during class

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system works fine.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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since when are fahraday cages military tech>

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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They aren't

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More just thinking about blocking signals

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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most school blocking software is pretty reasonable. If 1% of students can get around it by VPNing into a raspberyy pi on their home network - how really cares

pine vector Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i mean, you can block USB devices by descriptor...

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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true

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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more like whitelist by descriptor

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provide students with a set brand

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Or just disable the ports

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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or just disable all the ports and make them talk to their teacher

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Just make sure your machines have PS/2 ports for keyboard and mouse

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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but rembember, this has to be done by the lowest bidder, govt. approved contractor

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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impereo (i think it was called) is excellent in computer control

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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provide students with a set brand
@gentle moss
If you do that, teachers are just gonna end up plugging in Student's USB sticks for them. All teachers want is to get the homework off the brats with as little faffing as possible

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so it doesn't solve anything

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and adds stress to teachers

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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i mean, i worked in a school... that shit wasn't done by a contractor

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that's like....

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decades of shit upgrades by sort of competent people

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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forcing teachers to plug in 30 USB sticks a day is also bad security

pine vector Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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i wouldn't use VID/PID. i'd only allow MSC class descriptor. no drive? no sir...

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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you just cant win

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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They could, now hear me out, turn things in on paper

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Bisk do you mean the "IT" people who isn't really IT?

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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i mean it doesn't matter if the teacher is plugging in 30 USB sticks a day

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Just letting students plug whatever in is probably fine

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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that's a single point of failure, btw

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would you rather every machine was an infection vector?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I used to just email it to my teachers

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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that's annoying for teachers to deal with as well

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most teachers just want paper copies

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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that's what they asked me to do

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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everything is annoying to teachers

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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yup

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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yeah, unless its over 10mb email is fine

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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i swear they're basically like 3 glasses of pinot away from burning down the school

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those people go through insane shit

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I mean - I get it from the teachers POV, you want the homework from the brats in the easiest format possible - which is usually paper, sometimes email

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Email is the best solutions, no hard unless you send excel with a virus in it

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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noir or grigio though

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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grigio

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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you don't want to have to deal with little Billy's "but I have it, it's just on this memory stick" bulshit

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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yeah they're underpaid and have to deal with so much stuff day in day out

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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naturally

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Email requires more effort from the teacher

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waaay more effort than paper

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I don't know

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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it's almost like if they didn't underfund schools and flog them off to private entities for the past decade and a bit

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then maybe schools would have more robust IT infrastructure and working behaviours for teachers

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Nah

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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sell it to elon musk

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Neh

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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shoot the school to the moon

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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no

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EM go home

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I think no matter the funding, most schools would have at least slightly shit IT

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too many shitty users

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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so what you're saying bisk

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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both students and teachers

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Bisk that's deep 😄

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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is that teachers are the most likely people to have bath wine?

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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can't

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all the students papers they have to grade

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they'd get soggy

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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haha

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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They would from the tears anyway

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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well i mean its like you have 1000 annoyed kids, constanly pen testing the system...

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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IT in schools does always seem to get the shit end of the stick

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and i think charlie's right in a sense

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funding doesn't matter

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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@plucky ridge good one 😄

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I dunno - thinking of some of my teachers, I'd be willing to bet big bucks that they go in for bath wine

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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because all school IT jobs pay like wank compared to private jobs

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I couldn't imagine dealing with shitty little 15yos all day

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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100%

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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having also done work in a school, I agree

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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then not wanting to drink

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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bath liqour

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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the only benefit is if you slave away in a school for 30 years

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you get a nicer pension

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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yeah but minus your sanity

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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dude I spent a weekend (as a student at the school, but still) upgrading all of the computers in the building

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:07 PM

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i make more now working 3 days a week than doing 5 days at a school.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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they paid me like €80

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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and i'm still underpaid

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Most teachers became teachers because they wanted to teach - then they got all the bullshit politics and bureaucracy dumped on them

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Just create AI to grade those tests

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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WORST

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IDEA

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EVER

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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yeah no

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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let's not

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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i'm also 100% sure it's being done

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it's just terrible

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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I know

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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oh good

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so glad we don't have to get into that tyre fire

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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wait til you find out the AI automatically grades black students lower

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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:D

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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it was a joke 😄

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:08 PM

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for no reason

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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oh there's a reason julie

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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that being said - current marking of exam papers is a fucking joke

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remarks consistently bring up to 25marks difference

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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it'd be that the computer was fed allllll the papers

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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so an AI probably wouldn't be worse

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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well the reason is it learned it from rascist humans

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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and the white kids did better (For whatever political reason)

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so it automatically downgrades black kids.

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i mean we joke, but this happened in real systems

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systems for automating CV's

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Yeah, that was Amazon

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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wtf

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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women / ethnic people got rejected

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:09 PM

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happend in california with prison scentances

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:10 PM

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prejudiced against womens colleges

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:10 PM

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because the majority of data fed it showed that white men were better candidates

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sooooooooooooo..........

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the dumb leading the blind, fml.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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yep

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Sure

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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tbf - knowing about that Amazon thing is a fucking great way to sound like you're keyed in and know what's what with AI

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people are very impressed by the story

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pretty sure it landed me a job offer

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Let's make the AI grade our Finals ::D

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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it sounds impressive

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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one of the fields asks: WHat is your skin tone

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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in hexadecimal please

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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but essentially it's "racist people teach their kids to be racist"

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type thing

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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yeah - it's not at all complicated

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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but now with computers

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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it's the kind of thing that everyone should know, it's simple to explain and to understand - just the news is shit at that

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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and some of the smartest minds in the world couldn't see that logical failure

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it's impressive.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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yeah except unkowing programmer teaches computer to be racist because we live in a society

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Maybe the AI was a lie and there was real people behind it all * Puts foilhat on *

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:13 PM

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https://xkcd.com/1897/https://xkcd.com/1897/

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:13 PM

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real people know they have to be less racist or they'll have the government on their back for racist hiring practices.

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just teach the computer racism and we'll all be muc-

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oh wait... twitter did that with a microsoft AI in like 30 minutes

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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oh yeah, I remember that

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that was a riot

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Tay.

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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That's... actually not a terrible idea. Not teaching it to use racism, but knowing what to avoid

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Possibly

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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pretty sure it kept happening as well

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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"i'm here to be your friend and learn from you!"

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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til they just gave up

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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30 minutes later

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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it did keep happening yeah

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Maybe a stupid idea, come to think of it

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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"hitler wasn't wrong"

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that bot went downhill fast

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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in here it's illegal to ask do you go to curch, but instead they ask: can you work on sundays

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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just say no anyway

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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I feel like that's an unrelated question, personally

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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i can work on sundays

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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what are they gonna do, ask what church you go to?

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Just because you go to church doesn't mean it takes 100% of your day

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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sabbath

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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So it's possible to do both

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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or that you'll espouse work for church

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Isn't Church like 2hrs in the morning?

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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idk, never went

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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If that

pine vector Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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sabbath is the point. the question is can, not will...

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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all the Churchy people I've known personally have been fantastic people

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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they smile too fucking much

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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I only have any kind of decent friendship with a handful of churchy people

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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weird smiles too, not good smiles.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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but they all understand why I'm not a churchy person

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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most of the ones i know don't belive in the big bang

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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I think the CoE is probably one of the best organised religions going

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better than Catholicism

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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i learned about the church of england from an aqualung song

gentle moss Jun 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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CoE, the "cake or death" of churches.

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thanks, eddie.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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i mean i still don't know what it is but that's where i heard of it

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I shouldn't have said that...

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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"What do you mean I can't get divorced?!? FINE! I'll just make my OWN church!

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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a better church with blackjack, and hookers

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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CoE is very much more new testament than catholicism. You have high profile gay people like Richard Coles for example - they're about as progressive as it gets

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@rough sapphire In fairness that'd certainly help increase turnout

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I know a lot of curch going people that goes there every month or so

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Not every week

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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@rough sapphire In fairness that'd certainly help increase turnout
@plucky ridge the church of saint bender

plucky ridge Jun 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Hell yes

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"The Church of the Shiny Metal Ass"

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:20 PM

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church of vim and next to it curch of emacs

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Reminds me of the church of satan guy

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:20 PM

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@polar vigil yeah what, does nano only get a shrine?

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:20 PM

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it's in top of the hill...

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it takes effort, but eventually you will get there

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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idk man tutorials for text editors seems kinda annoying

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I just find stuff accidently

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Maybe I would be in a programming job if I could use even one of them... :sad:

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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nah youd have a programming job if you can program

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I wanted to learn python, but I never figured out how to download stuff from the internet

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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ooooooof

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mac, windows or linux

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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first I used mac, then the screen broke and it costed as much as new mac, so I bought PC, it was kind of slow, so I downloaded linux from cd I got from my local library (last page of linux 101 book)

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So linux

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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im going to assume debian based, python is alread installed

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and if you want libraries, sudo apt install pip3

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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yeah, but I can't use it because it's in arabic, I accidently put it, because I was tired

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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thats an A

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just reinstall OS

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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yeah, but the library is no longer there

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 8:30 PM

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well your in a pickle then

polar vigil Jun 4, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Sure I am

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Now I study drama degree and I have 250K in debt

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And if you make fun of me, I will put my drama degree in use. InDEED!

cosmic lotus Jun 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Imagine having a library

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The only library we have here is in the capital city. And they suck anyway, they have like a whopping 8 bookshelves

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 9:08 PM

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posted this in #esoteric-python as well but thought y'all might appreciate this

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📎 a.png

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uncommenting that print fixes the segfault :)

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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load-bearing print. do not remove is a pretty solid comment

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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📎 a-1.png

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changing that "abc" to something else also makes it segfault

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Good lord

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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this is pure python btw

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no ctypes

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or any imports, really

round rose Jun 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Wow

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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i understand very little of this

royal lakeBOT Jun 4, 2020, 9:20 PM

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @rough sapphire until 2020-06-04 21:30 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: newlines rule: sent 134 newlines in 10s).

bleak lintel Jun 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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why why WHY

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!unmute @rough sapphire

royal lakeBOT Jun 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction mute for @rough sapphire.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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second time today, darn

bleak lintel Jun 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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what did you try send this time

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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my python hello world

bleak lintel Jun 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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oh for heavens sake

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!paste 😎

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rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 9:22 PM

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thanks joe, very cool

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lime jewel Jun 4, 2020, 9:45 PM

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https://itch.io/b/513/black-lives-matter-support-bundle
cool bundle i stumbled across if any gamers are interested (sorry if this counts as 'advertising' mods. i have no affiliation with this bundle at all, and was not asked to share it around)

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strong hemlock Jun 4, 2020, 10:04 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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This seriously made me sad

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:04 PM

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the only bad thing i can say about python is its slow

tranquil orchid Jun 4, 2020, 10:05 PM

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yeah

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but python is still incredibly useful in a lot of areas where speed isn't a major factor

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:05 PM

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yeah exactly

strong hemlock Jun 4, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I want to learn another language but Java seems too complicated

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:06 PM

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im not that good at python, ruby is my specialty

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but they don't have a discord

strong hemlock Jun 4, 2020, 10:13 PM

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I wanna do something but idk what

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Java seemed good but I could not get hello world set up

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:(

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fuck it I'm staying with python

shell raptor Jun 4, 2020, 10:16 PM

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the only bad thing i can say about python is its slow
sometimes static typing can be desirable

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I appreciate the tooling that statically-typed languages have

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Charlie said to me the other day that he enjoys how a lot of the time, if your Kotlin code compiles, it'll probably run fine

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and I have to say I've noticed that a lot too haha

undone berry Jun 4, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Working with static typing is a completely different experience

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 10:22 PM

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yup, it is

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:23 PM

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still learning Kotlin then? how's it coming along?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 10:24 PM

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I wouldn't call myself a master yet, but I'm doing pretty well with it myself

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a lot of it already felt pretty natural to me though

shell raptor Jun 4, 2020, 10:26 PM

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if your C compiles, it probably won't run fine :)

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I have a PhD in getting SIGSEGV

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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C on Arduino works pretty well

shell raptor Jun 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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But you can't get sigsegv on an arduino

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right?

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Yeah

shell raptor Jun 4, 2020, 10:31 PM

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How does dynamic memory allocation even work on devices without virtual memory mapping and a complex OS?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2020, 10:31 PM

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it sort of doesn't

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I mean you don't even have libc in a lot of cases

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:31 PM

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You compile to binary, your allocated all the memory

shell raptor Jun 4, 2020, 10:32 PM

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The only way I see it is to allocate some array of bytes and treat it like a heap, making your own allocation algorithm

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Yeah you could, accept you ran out of memory doing that

shell raptor Jun 4, 2020, 10:33 PM

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true

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Well, maybe I just want a linked list really bad

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Maybe

vestal canopy Jun 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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yo, does anyone find that Github's autocompletion for @ing is crap?
a lot of the it doesn't even see the person who I'm in a conversioatn with

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 12:23 AM

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the miss: "ALEXA, HOW DO YOU MAKE PASTA"

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me: "ALEXA, STOP"

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alexa: "here's how to make lemon drizzle cake."

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me: "ALEXA, STOOOOOP"

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alexa: "....."

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alexa: "here's how to make lemon drizzle cake."

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 12:25 AM

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haha

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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upsets the beams

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heck, now my house is gonna fall D:

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 12:31 AM

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the beams ... are coming

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a huge wave of beams are coming

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 12:34 AM

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cowers

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 12:34 AM

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not even dave can save you

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 1:24 AM

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D:

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d-dave chan~

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HELP

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 1:25 AM

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I don't think you get the refrence but ok

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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did someone want to make lemon drizzle cake?

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 1:40 AM

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no

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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aw fuck

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i just got a great recipe for one

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nvm

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 2:40 AM

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@plucky ridge

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idk why

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but here's some noise

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was watching a dumb talk about bad hypothesis

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about eyebrows

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she woke up for two seconds and said

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"well why is that george lucas's fault? he's got his own problems."

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fuck any alarm clock, regardless of how organic it is, if it supports george lucas i can get in the bin.

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tl;dr: i've run out of recycling space.

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 4:48 AM

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i've just woken up and can i just say; disc golf people are chill as fuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkk

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 4:50 AM

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good morning

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 4:51 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFmEKbAeL0Q

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seriously, this sport is top top

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if curling is in the olympics

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this should tell golf to fuck off

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 4:52 AM

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golf can be fun

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 4:52 AM

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i have done golf, so sure

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i am 1 under par for my local golf tracks

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but golf is dick.

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 4:54 AM

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yeah

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it can be

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 4:54 AM

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it tends to be exclusive where i live

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if you're not a member then whY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON OUR LAWN

tight meadow Jun 5, 2020, 4:58 AM

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oh

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over here there are a ton of courses around

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 4:58 AM

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the UK is kinda tiny

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OAKLEY TOOK A PAR.

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TOOK. A. PAR.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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kinda tiny

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:l

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not amused

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 8:07 AM

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thats why you gotta use that map projection

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oh it still looks tiny

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 8:58 AM

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hello

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@rough sapphire

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have you seen kevin?

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i haven't seen him

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 8:59 AM

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I haven't seen him since he made my windows really fucking dirty with some shit water running from his beak

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that bastard

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:00 AM

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fuck you

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monster.

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give me kevin or give me crushing boredom.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:00 AM

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you get nothing

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:01 AM

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fine, xx, i guess i'll just start drinking at work

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would that make you happy?

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you MONSTER.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:01 AM

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i find no pleasure in the sorrow of others

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:01 AM

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it's coffee. i'm drinking coffee. what do you think i am?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:01 AM

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still, it's friday

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:02 AM

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(it's not coffee)

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IT IS COFFEE

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Um

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they can smell the whiskey on your breath

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:02 AM

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leet speak died in the 00's

undone berry Jun 5, 2020, 9:02 AM

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is there something in the coffee?

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:02 AM

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NO

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it's coffee.

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what have you got against coffee?

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 9:03 AM

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it has something in

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:03 AM

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yeah, fuckin stimulants

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:03 AM

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THE RITALIN ONLY ENHANCES THE FLAVOUR

undone berry Jun 5, 2020, 9:03 AM

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well - right now I'm annoyed at coffee because I have none

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:03 AM

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cafeeiiine babbyyyt

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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go visit a greggs

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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greggs does coffee?

undone berry Jun 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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you know what bisk

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I'm very sad

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For a second I thought it might actually be open

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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jesus christ

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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I only ever bought PASTYS from greggs

undone berry Jun 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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but no

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still closed

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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join the club

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oh

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nevermind

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i retract my statements

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why would it not be open?

undone berry Jun 5, 2020, 9:05 AM

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They've only opened in the north east since they shutdown for covid

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:10 AM

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i'd send you a sossij roll

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but a) they're too delicious

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b) that seems weird

undone berry Jun 5, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I have mcdonalds now - so I can get my shitty fast food hit that way instead of sossij rolls

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:12 AM

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everything's open here again

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:13 AM

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no.

undone berry Jun 5, 2020, 9:14 AM

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I think most things here are open again on Monday or something

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:14 AM

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because our government is full of fucking idiots

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 9:19 AM

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on the 8th, all retail outlets are allowed to open here

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but they have to enforce social distancing and limit the number of people in the building

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:20 AM

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i once heard a guy claimed he saw another guy burst in flames because he was so drunk and then he lit a cigar

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that the ethanol started burning in his body

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i was thinking could we apply this same approach to the eradication of the corona virus. just burn it away or something

tranquil orchid Jun 5, 2020, 9:22 AM

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i see

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set the planet on fire

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global warming was started by people who came from the future where the coronavirus had wiped out the planet

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they just trying to set the world on fire

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to kill the virus

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:23 AM

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well i mean it's better to do that before we give to the people on the moon

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before the whole planet becomes contagious.

tranquil orchid Jun 5, 2020, 9:24 AM

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except the whole setting people on fire may be an issue

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:25 AM

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that's just implementation details. the plan is great.

soft violet Jun 5, 2020, 9:28 AM

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The virus isn't lethal enough to kill of the population entire. No, I think when our end comes, it will be because we failed to respond to a disaster we saw coming decades in advance, despite having time in excess of ample to do so.

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Centuries, even.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:29 AM

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it might be difficult to kill the whole of humanity

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as a species

soft violet Jun 5, 2020, 9:29 AM

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We are clever.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:30 AM

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that we are. we live from arctics to jungles to savannahs to mountains. every single even remotely habitable place on the planet we live on.

soft violet Jun 5, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Who knows? Maybe the Giant Meteor will crash into Yellowstone and set it off.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:31 AM

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so what? there will be a lot of people left

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we're talking 100/100 extinction

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that's hard to achieve without making every single human being somehow genetically incapable to reproduce

cosmic lotus Jun 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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hey yall

soft violet Jun 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Ninja Measles.

cosmic lotus Jun 5, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Who are the beams

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:33 AM

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ninja measles could do it

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aka ligma

soft violet Jun 5, 2020, 9:33 AM

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I'm sure there's a big popup book of Extinction Level Events, somewhere.

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Probably not.

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But I can dream.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:34 AM

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i guess the dinosaurs did go extinct but they were kinda not that great

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at anything really

soft violet Jun 5, 2020, 9:34 AM

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They didn't all die.

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Just maybe the big ones.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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🐊 these guys are pretty old

soft violet Jun 5, 2020, 9:35 AM

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and maybe a couple of oceanica

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Yeah. Crocs were one in mind.

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Spectacular animals. I had the privilege of seeing Steve Irwin do a feeding show, once.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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but let's put it this way: if you leave humans alive living even at the arctics and they survive there for, what, 10 000 years eating whatever they can, once the situation calms down, they will start wandering south from there and populating the earth back again.

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the end result is that you will have human civilization in the timeframe of tens of thousands of years because we should be able to reinvent the same things we did on the first go-around

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so unless there was something specific about the fact that life started this time around in africa for humans, then 🤷

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:40 AM

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a flippin men

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What even is the smallest population required from which humanity could regrow without being struck by downsides of incest in case of catastrophic scenario?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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i've heard that like 30 people is enough to regrow the population

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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holy

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:42 AM

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but might be making things up

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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you might be making things up

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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am I?

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Surely 1000 would suffice at least?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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okay let's try uncle google

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30 is a reasonable number in my opinion

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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my phone battery very low so i can’t do it :(((

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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there's apparently something called a 50/500 rule

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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wikipedia link if you desire to not explain to us?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:44 AM

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one moment

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The so-called "50/500 rule", where a population needs 50 individuals to prevent inbreeding depression, and 500 individuals to guard against genetic drift at-large, is an oft-used benchmark for an MVP, but recent study suggests that this guideline is not applicable across a wide diversity of taxa.[4][3]

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MVP = minimum viable population

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it's in the thousands apparently in real life

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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So 500 000 is the MVP human?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:47 AM

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I think more like "3000"

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something like 3000 people would be enough

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that's not based on that rule but by putting some random extra on top

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let's just say more than 1000

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:48 AM

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yes

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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though I guess it can become a real problem. countries like iceland have databases where you can search for people I think to look up whether you're hooking up with a close relative

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360k people and highly insulated

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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oops

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:49 AM

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well of course you know your family etc but I guess genetics can be a bitch

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Amish people 😳

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Or do they accept converts?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Íslendingabók_(genealogical_database)

%C3%8Dslendingab%C3%B3k_(genealogical_database)

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:51 AM

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”bad title”

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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it's icelandic

timid vigil Jun 5, 2020, 9:52 AM

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yes, that is result

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forgot my quotes, zoomer style B))

twilit hull Jun 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Ols

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 10:50 AM

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pew pew PC control

📎 a.png

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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📎 iz5hiobezx251.png

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turning a format that's basically barely a joke into like

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actual comedy

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 12:10 PM

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here's a quick guide to router pentesting

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step 1. find the uart header

📎 IMG_20200605_150930.jpg

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step 2. the root password is root https://arse.ee/DWkRVyTA.png because of course it is

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congratulations! you are now a fully qualified router pentester

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aaaaaaah

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Stuff like this needs a content warning imho 😉

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(@gentle moss)

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 12:24 PM

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i thought i did something great for a second

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turns out @rough sapphire did something great

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brb, having a debate about toilet paper with the gf.

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 12:24 PM

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bisk, please stop drinking on the job

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your gf is back home. that's your HR manager, not your gf

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 12:24 PM

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ohshitimstillatwork

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i should probably check on the weans

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orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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youtube videos.

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...... both.

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okay nothing got deleted.

pine vector Jun 5, 2020, 12:28 PM

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oh look. they even gave you a header to tap into. that's just good customer service; keeping the effort low. 😄

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 12:29 PM

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you are so out of the loop

pine vector Jun 5, 2020, 12:30 PM

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i... but... :sad_face:

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 12:39 PM

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face your sad

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because it gets worse from this

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 1:22 PM

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You can be a pen tester by usung kali

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Or by grabbing a ballpoint

topaz aurora Jun 5, 2020, 1:39 PM

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made me chuckle

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Well that's better than the usual response I get

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Usually it's an eye roll and a snort of derision

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 1:40 PM

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"hmm, i wonder how they do session management, i don't see any cookies or anything being passed"

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spoiler

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they fucking don't

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Who doesn't?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 1:41 PM

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the web ui is either in a "logged in" state or not

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if someone's logged in from A, anyone can also access the authenticated web UI from B

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Who doesn't?
@plucky ridge the router i'm testing

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Oh nice

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You'd think it'd at least be associated by MAC or something

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Although I don't know how secure that is

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The stuff you do is waaaaay above my head

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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@rough sapphire i love that

floral viper Jun 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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session hijacking is something you learn in basic computer security. I'm no webdev but session management is fairly common knowledge nowadays.

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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wouldn't even have occured to me that that's something someone would have done wrong

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it's not even a bug

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it's like it just didn't occur to them to do that

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which is amazing

floral viper Jun 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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So a router that does not even have a concept of sessions is insanely bad

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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This isn't a name brand router, is it? I hope to god this is some cheapy thing

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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it is a name brand

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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God damn it

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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it's like samsung TVs I think it was, where there isn't a command injection vulnerability

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Consumer or industrial?

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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because it just runs anything you send it as root in a terminal

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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consumer, fortunately

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Yeah that could be worse

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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and it so happens that all the 'valid' parameters are acceptable things to write in a terminal

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so it's barely a vulnerabilty, it's more like it didn't occur to them to have it not be vulnerable to everything

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Still surprising there isn't even a MAC check or any kind of session stuff

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Silly people

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 1:46 PM

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i wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't get it to work

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so just gave up

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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That statement hit closer to home than I'd like to admit

floral viper Jun 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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MAC checks are fairly easy to spoof though

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Sure but for a consumer level thing it's at least the most basic of basic thing they could have implemented

floral viper Jun 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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so the extra security it gives is minimal

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Better than nothing

floral viper Jun 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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better to put effort on impl sessions

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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hahaha

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the session is implemented as an environment variable for the httpd process

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if (getenv("is_login") == "Y")

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Wow

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That's painful

floral viper Jun 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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📎 443chn.jpg

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 2:00 PM

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is this a joke

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https://arse.ee/UdJ5skjT.png

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Why in the magical fuck would you ever turn that off

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Okay, when you say name brand...

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 2:25 PM

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fuck me, mkfs.ntfs doesn't fuck around

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no confirmation, instantly just starts 0-ing the entire device

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while mkfs.ext* is like "are you SURE you want to do this? [y/N]"

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 2:43 PM

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wait how is the interface different

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btw how do you get hold of devices to test for cheap

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while not getting stuff that's been done to death

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i was messing around with my semi smart tv, found a potential buffer overflow using packet capture from the app on my phone

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but then i searched up and messing up the buffer overflow can brick the device

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 3:56 PM

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guys , better to use sys.stdout.write or print?

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i mean, they do the same thing , maybe there's a difference in speed?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 3:58 PM

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they do not do the same thing

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 3:59 PM

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well, print by default adds whitespace between args and also inserts newline automatically

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stdout doesnt

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but i think the main reason for using it is making a dual-version code

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 4:02 PM

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they absolutely do not do the same thing

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>>> from sys import stdout
>>> e = object()
>>> print(e)
<object object at 0x7fe28bcb5e30>
>>> stdout.write(e)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: write() argument must be str, not object

round rose Jun 5, 2020, 4:13 PM

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IIRC print is essentially

def print(*args, sep=' ', end='\n', file=sys.stdout, flush=False):
    file.write(sep.join(map(str, args)) + end)
    if flush:
        file.flush()

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Technically you might get a speed increase if you write a single string directly, but I doubt it'll be noticeable

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Or worth hurting the code clarity

true stag Jun 5, 2020, 4:49 PM

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📎 pio.png

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 4:50 PM

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can we not spam this in every channel?

jagged glade Jun 5, 2020, 4:51 PM

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so I'm working on making an interpreter thingy in brainfuck

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currently just determining the commands it'll have

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 4:55 PM

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What do you mean interpreter in bf?

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Like... written in another language to read bf or...

jagged glade Jun 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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just a simple thing written in brainfuck to interpret stuff on a slightly higher level

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 4:59 PM

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import antigravity

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lmfao

stuck turtle Jun 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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is that a real thing?

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import antigravity

@stuck meteor

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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yep

stuck turtle Jun 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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woah

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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the funny thing is

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this is a standard library

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i think it's made for fun, in facts its useless

stuck turtle Jun 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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ok

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 5:03 PM

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It's a fun little reference and it takes up a minimal amount of space

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No harm in a couple good easter eggs

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 5:04 PM

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yes there are others such as "import this"

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 5:07 PM

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As well as...

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!e from future import braces

royal lakeBOT Jun 5, 2020, 5:07 PM

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@plucky ridge :x: Your eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "<string>", line 1
002 | SyntaxError: not a chance

oak tangle Jun 5, 2020, 5:09 PM

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i think it's made for fun, in facts its useless
@stuck meteor

lemon_sentimental fun is not useless

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 5:10 PM

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from __future__ import braces

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lmfaoooooo

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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is that real?

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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The braces thing?

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Yup

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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yes

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Yep, it's actually in there

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Do they act like C braces?

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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No no

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It gives you an error

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Saying that they'll never implement something like that

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It's just an easter egg

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I have a thing for braces though, so that's sad.

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I think.... Gah, who was it that made one

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 6:25 PM

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that could be interpreted a number of ways

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:25 PM

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xD

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:25 PM

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@solid pollen Who made the braces thing. Was it Nix?

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Well, I like them in programming languages

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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And do you have the link

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Because I started out with C/C++

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They feel familiar and warm to me

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Sure but there's something to be said for keeping the languages pure to themselves

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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like welcoming me into a programming language that has them

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Consistency across code and all that

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I wonder what the closest thing to python with braces that's actually useful is

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Does Nim use braces?

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I don't think so

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Maybe Ruby then

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Well, I still do use programming languages without braces obviously

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Ruby also doesn't use braces

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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and in python they'd be weird 😄

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Dammit

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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They use braces for different stuff

solid pollen Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Who made the braces thing. Was it Nix?
@plucky ridge it was @modern island

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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lambda syntax

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Thaaaaaaaat's right

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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dicts

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I knew it started with an N

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Kotlin uses them but it's not super close to python

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Oh right, braces are used for dictionaries in python too, aren't they?

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Julia doesn't use them either

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Yep

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And sets

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I can still code with braces in python!

solid pollen Jun 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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JVM languages seems to work the best with lambda, for some reason

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Getting creative with lambdas does seem common yeah

gentle moss Jun 5, 2020, 6:39 PM

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has anyone else seen bananya?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Jxzj3YSAc

YouTube

Crunchyroll Collection

Bananya and the Curious Bunch | OFFICIAL TEASER

Watch BANANYA on Crunchyroll for FREE: http://bit.ly/Watch-Bananya

There are still many mysterious creatures in this universe that we don't know about. On a distant planet, one mysterious species has come into existence. They are known as "Bananyas." What sort of planet do th...

▶ Play video

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discovered it recently and it's one of the strangest but most inviting things i've watched

modern island Jun 5, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Braces go brrr

royal laurel Jun 5, 2020, 6:42 PM

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is me

📎 unknown.png

shell raptor Jun 5, 2020, 6:48 PM

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@static lance let's move here for a while

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!e

class Animal:
    def __init__(self, name, age):
        self.name = name
        self.age = age
    
    @staticmethod
    def from_string(string):
        name, age = string.split()
        return Animal(name, int(age))        

    def __repr__(self):
        return f"{self.__class__.__name__}({self.name}, {self.age})"

print(Animal("John", 42))
print(Animal.from_string("Bob 256"))

class Dog(Animal):
    def bark(self):
        print("woof")

print(Dog("Alice", 64)) # fine
print(Dog.from_string("Charlie 1024")) # oops, not fine. Should've been a Dog!

royal lakeBOT Jun 5, 2020, 6:48 PM

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@shell raptor :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Animal(John, 42)
002 | Animal(Bob, 256)
003 | Dog(Alice, 64)
004 | Animal(Charlie, 1024)

shell raptor Jun 5, 2020, 6:49 PM

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from_string breaks here ^

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Logically, it should have returned a Dog instance

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!e

class Animal:
    def __init__(self, name, age):
        self.name = name
        self.age = age
    
    @classmethod
    def from_string(cls, string):
        name, age = string.split()
        return cls(name, int(age))        

    def __repr__(self):
        return f"{self.__class__.__name__}({self.name}, {self.age})"

print(Animal("John", 42))
print(Animal.from_string("Bob 256"))

class Dog(Animal):
    def bark(self):
        print("woof")

print(Dog("Alice", 64))
print(Dog.from_string("Charlie 1024"))

royal lakeBOT Jun 5, 2020, 6:49 PM

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@shell raptor :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | Animal(John, 42)
002 | Animal(Bob, 256)
003 | Dog(Alice, 64)
004 | Dog(Charlie, 1024)

shell raptor Jun 5, 2020, 6:49 PM

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now it works correctly

static lance Jun 5, 2020, 6:51 PM

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so you when replaced return Animal(name, int(age))

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With ||return cls(name, int(age))||

shell raptor Jun 5, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Yes, I used a class method instead of a static method.

static lance Jun 5, 2020, 6:51 PM

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||return cls(name, int(age)) ||

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return cls(name, int(age))

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it worked because the cls

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which refers to the class method

shell raptor Jun 5, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Yes, because cls refers to the class you're referring to.

static lance Jun 5, 2020, 6:52 PM

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yup

shell raptor Jun 5, 2020, 6:52 PM

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And the static method had Animal hardcoded into it.

static lance Jun 5, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Thank You !
Now i Understand

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 8:14 PM

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i'm gonna go watch some twin peaks and cry myself to sleep

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nn gents and lads

plucky ridge Jun 5, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Night

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 8:19 PM

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yöt

covert scaffold Jun 5, 2020, 8:37 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/gxch2v/it_do_be_like_that/ this is related to #announcements lul

long spoke Jun 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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why is half the logo black?

sand goblet Jun 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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#announcements

long spoke Jun 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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nice

minor jewel Jun 5, 2020, 8:53 PM

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havent talked here in quite a while

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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What's this payload encrypted with

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or what are all these letters after base64,

high verge Jun 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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that's a type of URI

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it has all the image data right there

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the letters after base64 are a base64 encoding of the png image data

stuck meteor Jun 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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oh got it

rough sapphire Jun 5, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Bloodborne is coming to PC

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I am so happy

royal laurel Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Men ....

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Pretty

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Yes

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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pretty men

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where

viral panther Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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What

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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pretty men apparently

viral panther Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Really?

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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like the song

royal laurel Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Idk just, men pretty

viral panther Jun 6, 2020, 12:39 AM

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And Demon's Souls?

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 12:40 AM

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i assume you'd just emulate that

viral panther Jun 6, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Hopefully the PC port isn't as bad as the DS1 and DS3 ports were

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 12:40 AM

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it's like early ps3

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oh god old ds1 for pc

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 12:41 AM

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f

viral panther Jun 6, 2020, 12:41 AM

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It's weird because DS2 seemed perfect

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 12:41 AM

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@royal laurel where these pretty men at

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i've been eating like 3 or 4 custard creams and a few slices of bread every time i start to get sleepy

royal laurel Jun 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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All over #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

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Basically the rampage of face reveals we had

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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looks like hes been shot in the chest

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thats not me btw

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but i can see how you'd think it is

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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o w o

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Logo gay

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Change pls

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Why?

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 2:56 AM

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no

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deal with it

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Read #announcements

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Make original python

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can i post meme here

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Prolly

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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This gay month exists like 1999 never heared of it and now every server is using it and its everyhwere

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📎 main-qimg-2022282c0a4de64b3d1ebdfe81be81fb.jpeg

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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you mean pride month?

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Jes

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Ahha

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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xD

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Meme is actually accurate.

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Here in my cuntry its not a ting

shell cave Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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probably a poor country then

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Not all of them are using it, I don't think.

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Yes

shell cave Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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figures

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Germany

shell cave Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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oh nice

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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HA Germany.

shell cave Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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same country that got dunked in in ww2

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Not nice

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Germany trash

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looks like russia

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Germany's beautiful. I want to see the Brandenburg Gate someday.

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by ur name

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Bulgarian

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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I'd like to visit someday as well

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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APEKSAND

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thats ur name?

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i am learning russian

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Too many imigrants

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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I'm in the states but heritage is German

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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germany looks nice

shell cave Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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shame you put such a bad name on Bulgaria

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Its just russia without a goolag

novel stone Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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I am also part German, other part Korean; but live in the States

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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We had like 40k Venezuelans coming into our country where I live. Shit got tuff.

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 2:59 AM

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but I want to go to italy someday

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I got a lot of haritage over there

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:59 AM

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When i was kid i never see a black human but now i see verywhere

novel stone Jun 6, 2020, 2:59 AM

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i actually had a vacation planned to go to itaty right before Corona hit

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Germany or Poland is what I'm mainly interested in. My cousin went to the UK and she said it was astonishing.

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Thanks merkel

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Wanna visit the parthenon , and giza.

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:00 AM

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whats the upper half of the logo tho?

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 3:00 AM

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And the Colosseum.

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Whereabouts are you from JEFF if you don't mind my asking

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Maine, USA.

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Oh cool!

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Yep!

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:01 AM

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One of the few states I haven't been too :p

warm widget Jun 6, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Supposed to represent the BLM thing going on atm @rough sapphire

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:01 AM

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closest is boston

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nice part of the country

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:01 AM

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ooh

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i get it

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Maine is really beautiful. It has lots of forests, but you probably know that already if you're been to New England at all.

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You should try summitting Mount Katahdin if you're the hiking type of traveller.

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 3:02 AM

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just be glad you don't have pg&e to burn it all down

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Really need to do that more when I travel haha

honest star Jun 6, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Spent a week in Acadia and it was so gorgeous. The hiking was amazing.

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Even if we don't have PG&E, there are still some willing to destroy trees just to get the sand underneath them.

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:03 AM

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or maybe actually go on a trip for myself for once after this covid thing blows over

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:03 AM

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There's this one pond I live near that used to be incredibly densely filled with trees. Now it's a sand dune that ATVers and four-wheelers drive across chronically.

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:03 AM

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That's sad

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 3:03 AM

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true

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but PG&E is pure evil

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Gay logo

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Yeah. It's a shame, too. My dad was around back when the pond wasn't deforested.

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I never got to see it...

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That's okay, though. There's still all sorts of trees. You won't be devoid of scenery if you visit Maine.

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Yeah I'll have to get up there one of these days

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Maybe on the way to Germany 😄

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 3:05 AM

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traveling sounds fun but problably takes a lot of energy

tame pier Jun 6, 2020, 3:07 AM

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You get used to it after a while

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My travel "build" is highly optimized at this point

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Can do a week-long trip with a overhead bag and backpack and still have all the creature comforts

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 3:08 AM

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damn

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that's nice

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Dont invade us

tight meadow Jun 6, 2020, 3:09 AM

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was not planning on it

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Gay logo
@rough sapphire I hope you're not using that as a pejorative.

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I'm ditching GitLab over GitHub

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Good call IMO

twilit marlin Jun 6, 2020, 7:10 AM

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https://github.com/vuejs/vuejs.org/issues/2616
🤔

GitHub

Fix BlackLivesMatter banner · Issue #2616 · vuejs/vuejs.org

Hi, guys. Today I tried to block BLM banner and got that view bug: Please, add possibility to hide this banner. Or you can fix banner code for correct hiding by AdBlock. Of course, I could do it by...

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 7:38 AM

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So that's a thing..

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#BlackLivesMatter is racist

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Lol.

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Some people just don't get it

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Apparently

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I mean if the banner is huge then I agree with adding some hiding functionality since eg the Django one is larger than an entire screen on mobile

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But it's not that big a deal

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The Vue one is just a hashtag on mobile

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📎 Screenshot_20200606-091225.jpg

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Wat it is small as heck

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:13 AM

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It's not in the way at all, yeah

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:14 AM

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People really get upset for nothing

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Yup

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:14 AM

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i really don't know how people other than flat out racists can have issues with this

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i just don't understand

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Hanlon's razor

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Hmmhm?

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Don't assume malice when something is adequately explained by stupidity

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:15 AM

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there's nothing "stupid" about taking offense with that banner to the point where you're trying to hide it with adblock

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that's not stupidity. that's deliberate action.

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Wat

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Stupidity can involve action

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Look at the president of the US

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:16 AM

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not my point

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and i don't think Trump is stupid

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:17 AM

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I mean, I blocked the Django one, but only because it fills a screen and is on every page

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:17 AM

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i think he knows pretty well what he's doing a lto of the time

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Doesn't mean I don't support the cause though

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:17 AM

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I meant that banner specifically

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"banner" is even a strong word for that

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:17 AM

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I'm not sure how the Vue one looks on desktop tbf

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:17 AM

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it's literally one word on a page

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:18 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20200606-091757.jpg

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Still not a problem on desktop

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This banner is fine

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:18 AM

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i honestly wouldn't have even noticed it was there personally

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:18 AM

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I don't think I'd even notice it tbh

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:18 AM

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This is the Django one, for the record

📎 Screenshot_20200606-091829.jpg

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:18 AM

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yes, that's a bit more extreme

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i've also blocked the wikipedia ones where they ask you to donate, lol

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:19 AM

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I think everyone does at some point haha

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:19 AM

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like i love wikipedia and i have actually donated, but can you, like, shut up for a few minutes while i'm trying to read this article?

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:19 AM

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There's isn't a nope button on the wiki thing? blobthinkingdown

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Not always

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:20 AM

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there's a "maybe later" button

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📎 1P6U3KCF59IvdmSNStEYqww.png

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but it comes back every other article

#

i've also seen this at the top of the page

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📎 Wikipedia-donate-banner.png

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takes up more space than it looks

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:22 AM

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This looks like a bug in all fairness, I never seen it doing that

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:22 AM

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you also sometimes get a disappointing look from Jimmy Wales next to your article about the vulva

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:22 AM

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Maybe your VPN is causing this?

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:22 AM

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It's unlikely to be a bug

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:22 AM

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If you switch IPs around too fast

sand goblet Jun 6, 2020, 8:23 AM

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This is wikimedia we're talking about

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 8:26 AM

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there's a wikipedia article on how to avoid wikipedia banners

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoiding_banners

Wikipedia:Avoiding banners

There are several methods to avoid, or remove the banners in many thousands of Wikipedia pages.

solid pollen Jun 6, 2020, 8:46 AM

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What haha

twilit marlin Jun 6, 2020, 9:15 AM

#

by the way, fellow pydisers, i wanna ask you a question
how do you think, can person have an opinion on some thing that they don't entirely understand? 🤔

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 9:15 AM

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can they? sure, people do all the time

twilit marlin Jun 6, 2020, 9:15 AM

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after calling one news article as a fake, one person pointed out that i wasn't on place where this is happening

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 9:15 AM

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will it be of any value? up for debate

twilit marlin Jun 6, 2020, 9:15 AM

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and i've got generally interesting thought of this

soft violet Jun 6, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Do you need to have knowledge of how to compose a symphony to know how the music makes you feel?

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 9:16 AM

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no, but you need to have that knowledge to have opinions on the structural composition of the song

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 9:20 AM

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no, but you need to have that knowledge to have opinions on the structural composition of the song
You don't need any knowledge to be able to say something like "I like Vivaldi, it makes me feel summery" or some shit

soft violet Jun 6, 2020, 9:21 AM

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I feel like it's more Tchaikovsky season right now.

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Hah. Jokes on you. I meant the browser

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 9:37 AM

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You don't need any knowledge to be able to say something like "I like Vivaldi, it makes me feel summery" or some shit
@undone berry a feeling != an opinion

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an important distinction to make, in my opinion

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you can have one opinion while having the opposite feeling

#

too often, people base their opinions solely on feelings

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Yeah, I guess that's actually a pretty good point

soft violet Jun 6, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Hm.

tacit flint Jun 6, 2020, 10:08 AM

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f

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 10:25 AM

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chat's dead :(

feral yew Jun 6, 2020, 10:27 AM

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F for chat

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it was a decent chat

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Looking at clothes online - and apparently "Tailored Suit Shorts" are a thing - which I think is honestly hilarious

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📎 unknown.png

feral yew Jun 6, 2020, 10:34 AM

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sjhdfgsdfhg

#

what occasions are these even for

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 10:35 AM

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I have absolutely no idea - but I'm just imagining rocking up to work in like a law firm with a suit then shorts on

feral yew Jun 6, 2020, 10:35 AM

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lmaoo

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my first thought was when you wanna show off your legs at a wedding

#

reminds me of those fitness isn't a hobby, it's a lifestyle posts

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~~imagine wearing these to a funeral~~ 😔

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Even to a wedding this seems like a crazy thing to wear

📎 153901420.png

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 10:37 AM

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beach wedding

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 10:37 AM

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but - wouldn't you just have on normal beach clothes?

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there's no rule saying your wedding guests have to have suits and ties - if you want a beach wedding, just ditch that stuff

feral yew Jun 6, 2020, 10:39 AM

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ok but what if you want smart casual

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 10:40 AM

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that is not smart casual - that is business-dress-except-you-forgot-to-put-trousers-on

feral yew Jun 6, 2020, 10:40 AM

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dlkgjdfglkjdgfk

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also

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that reminded me of this

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📎 mg07v3hgywez.png

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suit swimsuit

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 11:13 AM

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polar vigil Jun 6, 2020, 11:38 AM

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For some weird reason ubuntu software center has dissappeared :/

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I just updated the ubuntu and now it's there again

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Hes from africa arrived in germany

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He swimed all the way

polar vigil Jun 6, 2020, 11:44 AM

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That photo looks edited some how

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I don't know why

topaz aurora Jun 6, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Outlines seem to be drawn

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They seem weirdly illuminated

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 11:57 AM

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trying my best to find something to use for an antenna for my sdr

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i have the base/connector thing but have misplaced the actual antenna somehow

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Pringles can

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seriously considering just fucking soldering and hot gluing a fork to the base

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i tested it, it works great

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but i'm not sure i want to ruin a fork

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"ruin" a fork

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Silverware are fairly cheap for what they are

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yeah fuck it i'm doing it

undone berry Jun 6, 2020, 11:59 AM

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spoons here cost ~~10p~~ 20p each - I don't know the price of a fork, but it can't exactly be bank breaking

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 12:04 PM

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hrm

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the cheap fork i have performs much worse as an antenna

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adds a lot of noise for some reason

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Tell it to be quieter then

tulip palm Jun 6, 2020, 12:07 PM

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maybe stop whacking the sdr with it so violently

fallen sparrow Jun 6, 2020, 12:14 PM

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what frequencies are you interested in? depends a lot on that

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the dipole that comes with the rtl-sdr.com dongles is a good start (tuned to half wavelength)

polar vigil Jun 6, 2020, 12:28 PM

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Fork as an antenna, smart!

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 12:49 PM

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i don't really know, trish

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but i just used a long strand of solder for the antenna

gentle moss Jun 6, 2020, 12:52 PM

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nice

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 1:27 PM

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@rough sapphire any recommendations on cheapish sdrs?

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my current one broke

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i have no idea how

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i was using it, then stopped for like 2 years and now it doesn't work

rough sapphire Jun 6, 2020, 1:28 PM

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i have literally no idea - i'm only just getting into sdrs

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i'm using something that i got from uni

high verge Jun 6, 2020, 1:28 PM

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probably in the price range of nooelec's ~£100 stuff