#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 398

royal lake · 2020-05-19T19:04:35.289Z

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royal lakeBOT May 19, 2020, 7:04 PM

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @gusty oar permanently.

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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so, uh, don't do that.

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now then, as you were.

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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nice.

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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so how about American Handegg?

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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another salad?

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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don't follow, but i was watching a thing on American accents and holy crap there are a lot

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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We are big country

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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inb4 every american salad is a vegetableless combination of cheeses, meats and eggs

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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egg+salad is a combo I really don't get

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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we reach from Spain to Moscow

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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it's very interesting to see the similarities between some places

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I ate an egg once. wasn't my thing.

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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boston / brooklyn have similar things going on

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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America also has a lot of people from different countries

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Contributing to the different accents

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I ate an egg once. wasn't my thing.
I can't actually tell if you're joking

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Handegg, American football

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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okay that's not all of it though is it though

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since the UK is very small but has a huge array of accents

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I don't think the country of origin has a huge contribution to the different accents

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@undone berry half joking. egg is a nice ingredient for cooking and baking. beyond that, gross.

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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i can drive 4h up the country and find people i can just about understand

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Scrambled eggs are good, but I can’t stand anything else

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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i can drive for 30 minutes and find a completely different accent.

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it's just very curious is all

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I'm not a massive fan of eggs - but if done right they're nice

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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It's the same thing in Ireland

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Boston/Brooklyn have similar things going on? Let's not discuss the Yankees and Red Sox

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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scrambled eggs, I can live with. omelettes too. but like a hard boiled egg is something I have no idea why anyone would eat.

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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And it's localised to counties mostly

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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hahah rabbit

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:D

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Would you eat a scotch egg?

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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scrambled eggs, I can live with. omelettes too. but like a hard boiled egg is something I have no idea why anyone would eat.
@tame terrace Agreed

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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on the talk about eggs, i got a whole lesson on how to cook eggs from eivl

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it was excellent

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Can I just have the scotch?

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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scotch egg? probably not. too eggy.

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Fried eggs are the best because they go well with toast

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Can I just have the scotch?
haha, me irl

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Haha

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I like that

thorn snow May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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@tame terrace Boiled eggs are best when the center is still creamy, but not runny

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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no thank you

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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auchentoshan represent.

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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yolks are never creamy

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runny yes

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but not creamy

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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They can be

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But I prefer runny

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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they are if you cook them in cream

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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nah - I don't accept it as a descriptor for egg yolks

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Custard is good too yes

thorn snow May 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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@undone berry It's a spot that is hard to hit, but it exists

plucky ridge May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Or they're Cadbury Eggs

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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they're not eggs

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false eggs

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feggs

plucky ridge May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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That's

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A bit close

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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hahahah

thorn snow May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Can't eat Fabergé Eggs wither

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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oh.

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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was about to say

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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OH

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Cadbury eggs are like diabetes in a single egg sized package

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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fabergé eggs are also creamy in the middle

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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They're so sweet

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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probably. we'll never know.

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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i love diamonds with my creamy egg

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Ow

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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adds crunch

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I'm willing to eat pretty much anything if it has enough diamonds in it

oak tangle May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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a hard boiled egg is something I have no idea why anyone would eat.
@tame terrace

Yeah, those eggs cooked so long they turned green

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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diamonds are like, eat'em if you've got'em!

plucky ridge May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Add some green ham and you're set to make a book

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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it's only said that the eggs are green

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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did you guys see the netflix version of green eggs and ham?

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Green ham with a side of diamonds

plucky ridge May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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True

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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green eggs and ham

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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the ham is clearly green

plucky ridge May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Fair point

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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in the show

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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the ham should be normal

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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It's green in the book too

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They illustrated it

plucky ridge May 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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But yeah in the book is - yeah

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Or green ham with diamonds in it

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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it is, but seuss was a weirdo

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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📎 N2EMOHAA2QI6VA2BZQ644UXH3Y.png

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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and obviously not great with language

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Wait what

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I thought you were having me on

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They did that?

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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weak rhymes

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eminem would destroy him

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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green (eggs and ham) is perfectly valid

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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it was actually really good.

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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when i was a kid we had a green eggs and ham game on the PC

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the ham was also green

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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cast had jillian bell, adam devine, keegan-michael key, michael douglas, eddie izzard..

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a seriously solid cast.

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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what the hell

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that's mad

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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My experience of Netflix adaptions https://i.imgur.com/1fuCMuc.jpg

Imgur

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That's pretty cool though

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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The only real life adaptation I can think of is Deathnote

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4651448/

IMDb

Green Eggs and Ham (TV Series 2019– ) - IMDb

Created by Jared Stern. With Michael Douglas, Adam Devine, Jillian Bell, Ilana Glazer. An animated series based on the popular Dr. Seuss story "Green Eggs and Ham."

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:18 PM

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wait, it's not ended?

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:18 PM

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they did a season

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I think they're doing more

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:18 PM

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how many things can he not like eggs on?

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:18 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt8Ydp2vibk

YouTube

Netflix

Green Eggs and Ham | Read by Michael Douglas, Adam Devine & More! |...

Green Eggs and Ham stars Michael Douglas, Adam Devine, Keegan-Michael Key, Ilana Glazer and Eddie Izzard give a dramatic reading of the beloved children's book. Netflix's animated series Green Eggs and Ham comes out on November 8.

Watch Green Eggs and Ham, Only on Netflix: ht...

▶ Play video

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:18 PM

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rhyming dictionaries are only so long

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I was gonna say they should have done the cat in the hat

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But of course they already did

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:19 PM

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didn't that go... weird?

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:19 PM

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How could it not?

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It's Seuss

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Yeah the Cat and the Hat adaptation was questionable at best

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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It was live action wasn't it?

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Probably a better match for my meme..

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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The The Cat in the Hat one was waay before Netflix

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unless there's another

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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it's so weird he only got into kids books because his porn failed to take off

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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ok apparently it wasn't before Netflix

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but - that's because Netflix was founded in 1997

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Lol yeah, the porn thing is something everyone forgets

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Dr Seuss was not a cool guy

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well, maybe he was cool - but he wasn't particularly concerned with being a good person

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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what do you base that on

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I recall he was a racist or something

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Whilst his wife was dying he had an affair with someone else

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and married someone the year after his wife committed suicide

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I've heard that one

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:23 PM

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he was pretty fucked up

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that's why it's strange he went for kids books

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:23 PM

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the racism claims, I'm less impressed with

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:24 PM

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he supported japanese internment in WWII

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I'd post a comic he did but it would be banning territory

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:24 PM

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he did a lot of bad ww2 propaganda, yeah

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:25 PM

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According to Wikipedia, he apparently regretted the internment stuff after the war

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:25 PM

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article on some of the wartime comics he made here http://www.openculture.com/2014/08/dr-seuss-draws-racist-anti-japanese-cartoons-during-ww-ii.html

Open Culture

Dr. Seuss Draws Anti-Japanese Cartoons During WWII, Then Atones wit...

Before Theodor Seuss Geisel AKA Dr. Seuss convinced generations of children that a wocket might just be in their pocket, he was the chief editorial cartoonist for the New York newspaper PM from 1940 to 1948.

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for those who wanna see some of them

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I wasn't aware of these ones. I've seen the ones with questionable racial stereotypes in them but that always felt a bit wooden, like the tintin stuff

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yeah I get it, they're dated. the world was racist back then

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but yeah okay you guys are bringing up valid points with this stuff

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this stuff isn't super cool.

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:26 PM

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plus, it's standard wartime propgranda

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make the enemy not you

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Some people say some of it was just how the times were and write it off because of that, some people say doing that is wrong

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I say, enjoy the work for what it is and make up your own mind

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:27 PM

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people use it today against people of middle east descent

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Which is wrong, yeah

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 7:27 PM

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whoever recognises this string gets $1B: CPKTNWT
@charred burrow fun fact about gta sa cheats

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:27 PM

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If you're trying to choose material to give to your kids, I think its worth considering the messages that can be taken away from the work. Part of that is also considering the author's intent

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 7:28 PM

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posting in #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Yup, that's also true

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I'd read my kids green eggs and ham, though

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there's nothing racist about that

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:28 PM

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But it's also worth remembering that a lot of shitty people contributed good things to society

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Larry Ellison?

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Roald Dahl is a better example of a shitty person's shittiness coming across in their work

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I haven't heard about that

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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what

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please don't ruin roald dahl for me

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Haha

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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what did he do then

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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ooooh lord

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strap in

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Well, just looking at an example of his work - IMO this is pretty shitty. The takeaway from this is that ugly people are shitty people

📎 vKjmyi2-Z5HE7VIPjmn3n8BDDACCCzKJK_E2AHW5gRw.png

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:30 PM

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bullshit, that's a lovely sentiment

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that bottom person is also ugly

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and yet they are beautiful

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because they "think nice thoughts"

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:30 PM

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That is absolutely not a lovely sentiment. It is saying that you can judge someone based on the appearances of them

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that is the takeaway - there are pictures with it

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those two people are different kinds of ugly

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I mean, bottom one is an American right?

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:31 PM

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i mean he was a rabid anti-semite

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he claimed hitler "had his reasons"

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:31 PM

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It is also implying that people who hit rock bottom are going to become ugly humans

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:31 PM

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etc.

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in the 1980's

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:32 PM

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http://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2018/02/lets-not-be-twits.html

Let's not be Twits

In 1980, when I was in secondary school, Roald Dahl wrote: " If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that p...

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There's a solid read about it, which I agree with

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:32 PM

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weird how all the people writing great kids books are pretty fucked up.

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"all the people"

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too much there.

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Enid Blyton hated kids

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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A lot of people are fucked up

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:34 PM

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hoo boy, I think that article is completely off its tits

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but okay

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Reading it, it's not actually super relevant to the current conversation

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I feel like this conversation is going to take a turn for the worse

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I'm thinking of something else from the same author which I can't find

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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“There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity”, he said. “I mean, there’s always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn’t just pick on them for no reason.”

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i mean that quote on its own from an interview is uhh

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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On the face of it this is a nice, positive whimsy ... but sadly it isn't true and is therefore corrosive, harmful bullshit. it's a children's book. positive whimsy that isn't quite true is an effective and usually very benevolent device.

dahl is obviously just saying that mean people are ugly and nice people are beautiful, no matter how they look. reading into it in this sort of literal way seems obtuse to me

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Here's another example of his work having a pretty shitty message. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/850881820 pretty long read tho. I'll try and tl;dr it as in the book, a dude tricking and manipulating a girl into marrying him is seen as ok

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I'll admit I've never read this, so I don't think I can comment

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I've read many dahl books to my kid, though, and we both enjoy them a lot.

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mathilda is one of the nicest children's books I know.

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full of beautiful sentiment

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:38 PM

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I haven't read that one either

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I think the fact there are pictures to go with the description show that it isn't the realistic takeaway. The takeaway from it, if you factor in the picture, is that some people have ugly thoughts - and you can identify those people by the way they look

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Charlie and the chocolate factory, and the fantastic Mr fox, are two I grew up with

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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that's just demonstrably not true

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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hey, does anyone have any cool talks on gpu/parallel technology or autonomous driving?
I really liked this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7BXih7zx8&t=1591s
Things like the NVIDIA Keynotes are just to surface level and short 😉

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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ugly thoughts in no way correspond to appearance

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Some people can’t control having “ugly thoughts”

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So don’t insult them

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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and the picture implies that the takeaway is about appearance

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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i think you're so focused on the trees you're refusing to acknowledge the forest, but you're entitled to your opinion.

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I can see both sides

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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if this it the worst you've got, I guess I'm safe continuing to consider Dahl a nice writer. Maybe with the exception of Esio Trot, though.

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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It's hard to say for sure without asking the guy what he meant though

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Sometimes it is not about the authors message but the readers interpretation

gentle moss May 19, 2020, 7:42 PM

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and i'm with you with the writing being nice

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just not the author

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:42 PM

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That's a dangerous route I think, @tight meadow

thorn snow May 19, 2020, 7:43 PM

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So I step out of the chat for a minute and you guys start talking about Hitler?

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tsk tsk

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Is that your takeaway? Haha

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:44 PM

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@sand goblet Art can be understood in many different ways. You should not be forced to the authors definition

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:44 PM

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No, but also, there are some things that one can't reasonably be offended by I'd think

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I agree that a solid chunk of his work is perfectly good - the other ones I've seen mentioned here are all pretty solid - but I also think the guy was a bit of a prick (see: antisemitism). I just think there are multiple examples of his work using a lighthearted, friendly, with fundamentally shitty messages

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:45 PM

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evening 😄

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:45 PM

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No, but also, there are some things that one can't reasonably be offended by I'd think
@sand goblet I can understand that but sometimes you can’t take things too literal. If it is trying to be offensive, take it literally. If not, don’t.

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Hey roon

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I hear Paul is doing a home assistant collab soon

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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hey gee dude!

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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hi roons

tight meadow May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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@torn ridge good evening!

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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lemon!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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@tight meadow Fair, I guess

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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you old fogey

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:47 PM

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roonHI IKR 45

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i saw a video of him lately saying it was too complicated and couldnt get it working

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Yeah, and he said he'd do a collab with DrZzs if he was down for it

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And he posted a comment saying he was down for it

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:>

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:48 PM

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ahhh nice!

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i dont do much with automation nowadays, just have my lights turning on and off at sunrise/sunset and a self-hosted bitwarden lol

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:49 PM

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HA has had a huge usability push recently and it really shows

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Haha, fair

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:50 PM

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im just waiting for WSL2 to hit then maybe move the stuff off my pi

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terminals released now too which is awesome

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I'm considering doing an IoT project of my own

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Inspired by Divoo's products - LED pixel grid speakers

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Because you can't program them, there's no API

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:50 PM

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theres been some amazing cool stuff posted on the python subreddit lately, with lights / moodlighting reacting to monitor backgrounds / games

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:51 PM

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That's pretty neat stuff

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:51 PM

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one used arduino and striplights, the other used LIFX api calls

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I'm planning on building something with a pi and an LED matrix

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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seeee id love an led matrix

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Adafruit makes them

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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actually there is a ton of stuff io would love

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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My issue is mostly making or finding an enclosure

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And also a grid and diffuser panel

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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ive not streamed in over a month or so, so my disposable income is... urmm... limited!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I hear that

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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and i want a damn 3d printer!

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just to make stackers for heinz tins!

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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but you end up using them so little!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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That makes two of us lol

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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i have a lot of tins that need stacking

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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If I had one I could do a lot of IoT projects

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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When I looked, online 3d printing was pretty damn cheap

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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heinz tins are the same sized top / bottom, so they dont stack correctly

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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every now and then i will come up with something i want to 3d print, but im always to lazy to design it

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Yeah but the problem is that you have to order it, you can't make things at home, adjust things until it's right

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:53 PM

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LOL, id just end up printing dumb stuff

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BEHOLD ITS FINISHED.... another 3d printed willie!

undone berry May 19, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Yeah but the problem is that you have to order it, you can't make things at home, adjust things until it's right
measure twice cut once - that probably holds true for 3d printing

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Sure but I don't know how to design something in the first place

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:54 PM

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i tried blender

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god damn i suck at it

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:54 PM

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not really 😦 often things will warp by like .1-2 mm and then you have to figure out how to adjust

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:55 PM

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took me hours to make a donut!

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it did have drippy icing though!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:56 PM

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All I need is a plastic grid

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Is that so much to ask

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:>

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:56 PM

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like id like to print a charging holder for my electric razor (it has the charge port in the bottom, so i would fit perfectly!) but its a suuuper organic shape and theres no way i can model that..

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only way i can think of doing it is point cloud mapping or something

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(would be a cool project..)

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:57 PM

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i want a stand for my pccculus quest!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Oh man you have a quest

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How is it?

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:58 PM

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i do, its FANTASTIC!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

I'm thinking of getting one myself

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

with virtual desktop

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OMG

#

its perfect

#

steam VR games wirelessly

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:58 PM

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How's the latency for that?

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

<30ms

#

pretty damn good

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

Nice

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

beatsaber and the like, feels a bit "spongy"

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

i only have a windows mr headset

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

There is a cable as well

#

Oculus link

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

i should probably sell that..

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

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jiw ouldnt bother to be honest

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

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gdude you interested? 😉

solid pollen May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

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only way i can think of doing it is point cloud mapping or something
@buoyant pendant You could use a tool like meshroom to create a 3d model based onto some pictures, and import it into you 3d software

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 7:59 PM

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sorry i wouldnt bother with the cable

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they just released an update so it works with usb 2.0

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so no need for a thick USB3 cable

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

#

I do have spare 3.0 ports though

buoyant pendant May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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thanks @solid pollen ill try that!

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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its the thickness of the cable

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I have Valve Index, I wish it was wireless but quality is oh so nice

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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and the added weight due to the length

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Rabbit here is made of money

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

#

Or....

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you can go wireless with virtual desktop

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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🦅

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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and people are reporting much better quality with VRDesktop than with the link cable

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Interesting, okay

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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got to put that "Not paying for healthcare" money to good use 😉

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

#

i playd halflife alyx on it... beautiful!

#

absolutely wonderful

#

the quest is REALLY good

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Good to hear

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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camera passthrough, hand tracking

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i've never tried vr

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but i've heard alyx is good

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Alyx is good

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:02 PM

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really do kind of want to try it, i was a huge fan of hl2

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:02 PM

#

hand tracking games released in a few weeks (instead of just sideloaded apps)

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its REALLY good

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the headcrabs are GREAT!

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:02 PM

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i guess actually wearing something on your head makes it seem more realistic

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:02 PM

#

I really want it for beat saber

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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VR is, just... REALLY good...

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beatsaber i have, as well as superhot 😄

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I'm sad because I have a rift DK1 but there's no way to use it on windows 10 haha

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Used to use it with vivecraft back in the day

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:04 PM

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yeah ive tried vivecraft too, its impressive, and weird because VR!

#

me and my best mate have one

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so we watched bigscreen together (a virtual cinema) sat with our avatars in there, and watched battle angel alita in 3d together

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absolutely fantastic it was

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and echo arena!!!

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HOLY GOD THAT GAME

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its literally enders game in the games room!

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I wish I could get my VR legs

#

I started getting sick when playing DCS

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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DCS?

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

I need a better job :v

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

i cant do the free moving stuff, makes me feel ill

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i need A ~~better~~ job

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I'm on a community employment scheme

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Got a text from my boss today saying he thought work was back on

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Turns out one of the other sponsors on the scheme is breaking lockdown and bringing her people in

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:09 PM

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@sand goblet i think you should still potentially talk to the one link i gave you

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they might be able to come up with better numbers

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if you can convince them

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Oooff, the lockdown terrifies me!

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well the lack of

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:10 PM

#

We're starting to ease up but Monday was only phase one

#

Next phase is June 8th

lofty dirge May 19, 2020, 8:10 PM

#

RuneW0lf, flight sim

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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its terrifying, we're not over it! its not even kicked in properly yet i dont think

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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@sand goblet how difficult is it to get a VAT number in IE?

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Pretty easy

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Ahhh okies rabbit, yeah i'd probably VOM!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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You go to the revenue site and make one

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Register a company there and that's it

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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ive been using microsoft edge lately!

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it feels dirty!

undone berry May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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There's no concept of VAT registration for companies?

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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@sand goblet so it's not very expensive or too much bureaucracy as a private person

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:11 PM

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There is

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You don't have to register for vat under a certain threshold

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But you still have to do accounts to show that you're below it

undone berry May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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alright - I'm guessing its roughly the same as here then

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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correct i'm registered as self-employed

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Most likely

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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i LOVE doing taxes!

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😄

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

#

I'm VAT registered too

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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It's mostly automatic here

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I am not vat registered

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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fuckin love it here with my taxes. 10% lol static

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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But I'm not doing business, so

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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i never hit the threshold, so im good 😄

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:13 PM

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make 100k a month? 10% thx bye

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:13 PM

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i make 3k / year.. ez!

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:14 PM

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yeah i'm making 0e month so ez too

#

living on pure savings

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Ooof, rough my friend!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:14 PM

#

I make like 220 eur/week

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It's still not a lot but hey

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:14 PM

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it's 220 more than 0

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:14 PM

#

Yup

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:14 PM

#

nobody gives me any money

#

i'm just waiting for somebody to hire me

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:15 PM

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my jobs to guilt trip people into giving me money

#

its like being a beggar... from the comfort of my own home

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

#

What you really need is a bikini and a pair of thigh highs

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

#

grins

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Haha

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

#

💃

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

#

i could do that!

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

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It's like half of twitch

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

#

if i had the assets i would!

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

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@undone berry I just wanna say that I did read that patrick rothfuss esio trot review now and it was a really good read, thanks for linking it

sand goblet May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Fair point that

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

#

I agree that that book sounds fucked up

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

#

there is no shame!

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

#

lemon will you hire me

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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nope

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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why not

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I don't even know who you are

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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well will you interview me

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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no, I don't interview people.

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I'm just a dev

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

#

🤷

torn ridge May 19, 2020, 8:18 PM

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he's the brains.. he has people for that!

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 8:18 PM

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doesn't hurt to ask

undone berry May 19, 2020, 8:18 PM

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For the record, I don't think all of his work is trash or anything - just that some dodgy views creep into his work in some places. Most of it is largely fine

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I found it really endearing that rothfuss made up a different ending for his kid

#

his version does indeed sound better

undone berry May 19, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Rothfuss is a very cool dude

tame terrace May 19, 2020, 8:18 PM

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and it's also a bit cool that it's god damn rothfuss writing this thing

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so, nice link. thanks

charred socket May 19, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Oh man, self-employed taxes here are such a headache

rough sapphire May 19, 2020, 11:38 PM

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what do you guys think about flutter?

rough sapphire May 20, 2020, 5:42 AM

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for insomnia i just take a ton of opioids hoping i die every night upping the dosage.

summer knot May 20, 2020, 5:50 AM

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@rough sapphire This is not the place for that kind of discussion. If you are suffering depression and having suicidal thoughts you should instead seek help from a professional. We are a Python community and as such this is not an appropriate place for this

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!rule 5

royal lakeBOT May 20, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may break laws, breach terms of services, be considered malicious/inappropriate or be for graded coursework/exams.

rough sapphire May 20, 2020, 5:50 AM

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ah i see

summer knot May 20, 2020, 5:51 AM

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From our code of conduct

Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include:
Discussing topics that are overly polarizing, sensitive, or incite arguments. This includes the discussion of polarizing political views, violence, suicide, and rape.```

rough sapphire May 20, 2020, 5:54 AM

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i said k , chill

balmy furnace May 20, 2020, 8:50 AM

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sup guys

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Hey @gentle moss you around?

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 4:38 PM

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watching a movie, but kinda

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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ohh

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just had funny traffic today

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Protocol TCP, Source 127.1 Destination 127.1

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came from a customer server

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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what the hell are these people doing o_O

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I have no clue 😄

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I don't think they do either

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Apparently it was a misconfiguration, but I really would like to know how they made the NIC send that data out

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I am going to do some wiresharking later

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127.1 does not fall into the default route usually

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unless they have a different IP on their lo0 and deleted the 127.1 link completely

wary sequoia May 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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ah nice, wireshark is fun

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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then I can see how it would enter the default route

wary sequoia May 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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basically my job xD

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Salad time

📎 tEXFCv8mOZtyzjD2VnnlUWfN8It4WdxBM_5K4yV6qnhgBHSaKHOTX6yklNARpeHocko7XXEF61CoyQi93DALpE9I05jeMsO4_pol.png

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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What are the orangish things?

#

Croutons?

#

I have NO idea if I spelled that correctly

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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There is nothing orange

#

It's cucumber, tuna, feta and olives

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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that pictures looks like what it'd look like to wake up in a salad

autumn herald May 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Looking good!

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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i'd skip the olives, but it does look refreshing

autumn herald May 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I'd add some cherry tomato or pepper for color

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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or both :o

autumn herald May 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I can.do that :o ?

#

Madness

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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little bit of spring onion too

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go nuts

#

in fact, you could put nuts in it too

autumn herald May 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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@gentle moss only if it's not November

sand goblet May 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Requires more feta

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That isn't nearly enough

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

#

you feta believe it

tacit flint May 20, 2020, 6:56 PM

#

where to read mushoku tensei LN and WN online?

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I have no idea what those are

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:01 PM

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this ot1 is for me

#

i m insomniac

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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You do enjoy avoiding sleep

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

#

i m not enjoying

#

my circidian rhythm is slowly moving forward

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like one day i sleep at 12

#

sometimes 12:15

#

and thus it keeps on moving

#

until at somepoint

#

i reach morning

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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well - it's currently 1am and you're on Discord

#

so

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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then i dont sleep the whole day

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

#

that's probably part of it

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

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If I remember correctly, the trick to fixing that is to stay awake for 24 hours and then go to sleep at the time you want to be your new regular

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

#

and next day i sleep at 7PM

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

#

If I remember correctly, the trick to fixing that is to stay awake for 24 hours and then go to sleep at the time you want to be your new regular
Yeah, that works for me

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Although it's a miserable experience

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:09 PM

#

yeah that works for me too

#

i drink 5-6 cups of coffee

#

for 24 hour awakeness

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Although it's a miserable experience
Especially as you can't go sit in a coffee shop all day or something (right now that is)

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

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i have coffee in home

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Ah right

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

#

and tea too

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

#

Was going to say Waffle House but then yeah

#

Covid

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Yeah, its not about the coffee - more about having to be at home

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

#

charlie has coffee in his pic or whatever else

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

#

Tea

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British tea

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

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It is indeed tea. This is a cup of Yorkshire tea with milk and 2 sugars. Stolen from /r/ratemytea

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

#

ok

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

#

To which I reply, ick

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

#

i like reddit a lot

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just liike discord

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

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2 sugars is a bit sweet. But this isn't ick territory - this is prime British tea

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I'm just not huge on milk in tea

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

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i like black tea (no milk,no sugar) just huge amount of tea

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

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In coffee sure but for some reason it just doesn't click with me in tea

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I wonder if its one of those things that has to be culturally hammered in to you

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Probably

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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and really it is weird

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just not for the Brits

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Sure sure

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Like I don't HATE it

#

I just wouldn't actively choose it

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

#

i have tried mixing coffee with tea, taste isnt that bad

#

a little bitter

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Ah yes, good ol' cofftea

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

#

It isn't bad - but its just worse than either one on its own

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Yeah it certainly doesn't improve anything

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:13 PM

#

hmm

#

i didnt know it was a beverage that had official page on wikipedia

📎 unknown.png

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i just thought it was random combination

plucky ridge May 20, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Different cultures, different tastes

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 7:21 PM

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If you want to see brits lose their temper, tell them to pour the milk first

soft violet May 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

I tried macha tonight. I didn't care for it much. That being said, I ended up adding, literally, another dimension to my image generation code.

#

and I looped the z axis.

#

So now it's kind of toroidal.

#

The US, last I checked.

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:24 PM

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If you want to see brits lose their temper, tell them to pour the milk first
Now this is where only the silly Brits get it wrong. Good tea is brewed in a pot first, and if you're brewing the tea in a pot - it doesn't really matter when you add the milk. It's slightly easier to add the milk after, so you can more accurately judge colour, but it's not a huge thing

thorn snow May 20, 2020, 7:25 PM

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@low shadow You didn't learn anything being here, did you?

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How the fuck do you think linking this is ok in the first place?

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

[20:10] ☕ Charlie: It is indeed tea. This is a cup of Yorkshire tea with milk and 2 sugars. Stolen from /r/ratemytea

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and it's a good looking tea.

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classic builders brew

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strong enough for the spoon to stand up

low shadow May 20, 2020, 7:34 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/indian-chai-tea-pouring-gif-4681490

Tenor

Garam Chai

▶ Play video

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

if that was a normal tea it'd be too weak

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way too much milk

#

but it's chai

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so it can get in the bin

pine vector May 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

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but does it have what plants crave?

soft violet May 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

For marsala that'd be normal enough.

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

electrolytes?

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brawndo, it's what plants crave.

pine vector May 20, 2020, 7:36 PM

#

https://tenor.com/basuv.gif

Tenor

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 7:36 PM

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such a fun movie

soft violet May 20, 2020, 7:37 PM

#

I thought it'd be stupid.

#

It was quite on point.

#

Engaging.

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 7:38 PM

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i mean it is stupid, but also a funny commentary on society

#

"Carl's Junior, go fuck yourself."

#

i find the branding jokes super amusing

#

i think that's the reason why it was limited theatrical release

undone berry May 20, 2020, 7:40 PM

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The only tea I currently have is pretty rubbish

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 7:40 PM

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i don't even know what's in my tea jar

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i think it's yorkshire

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right teabag shape for it

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i haven't been on the caffeine in about 2 weeks :o

hollow leaf May 20, 2020, 8:16 PM

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huh, chai tea

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🙂

#

also there are chai lattes out there which're basically chai tea and milk, or something. depends on the brand, or where you get it

gusty shadow May 20, 2020, 8:20 PM

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um just for the record chai tea is basically saying tea tea cos in hindi it's called tea

#

better to call it chai 🙂

sand goblet May 20, 2020, 8:20 PM

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it is a specific type of tea

#

so calling it chai tea isn't necessarily wrong

hollow leaf May 20, 2020, 8:20 PM

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ah. things get mistranslated 😕

sand goblet May 20, 2020, 8:21 PM

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it's a tautology, but it's useful in English

#

what we call chai tea here always inolves cinnamon

gusty shadow May 20, 2020, 8:21 PM

#

ah my bad

hollow leaf May 20, 2020, 8:21 PM

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it's fine

sand goblet May 20, 2020, 8:21 PM

#

which like is probably totally not authentic, but :>

#

I haven't actually had tea in aaaages

#

I prefer hot chocolate tbh and I have a bunch of odd ones in the cupboard at all times

rough sapphire May 20, 2020, 8:23 PM

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chai latte with chocolate is a thing, too. a very nice thing

hollow leaf May 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Chai latte + espresso, or dirty chai in parts of the US I think, is nice =p

sand goblet May 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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at the moment, from memory

#

I've got rocky road hot chocolate

#

raspberry ripple hot chocolate and.. blueberry cheesecake

#

and I think orange as well

lofty dirge May 20, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Isn't proper place for tea in the harbor? 🦅

gentle moss May 20, 2020, 8:26 PM

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that type of tea was shit

#

it belongs in the harbour

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you did us a favour

wraith oriole May 20, 2020, 9:08 PM

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P&G Tips !

soft violet May 20, 2020, 9:33 PM

#

The word everyone is looking for is marsala.

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Chai Marsala.

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But because people are people, it gets called chai.

#

I had a good first experience with it.

marble sentinel May 20, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I’ve had some Indian spiced tea before, it was... quite spice filled.

#

Although it was a pre-packaged off the shelf sort of product. Not homemade or hand made at a coffee shop.

charred socket May 20, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I need to find a good chai masala place, I was excited to try one out in the town my uni's in but it seems they add too much milk. One of my friends has offered to make me some should I visit them though, perhaps the best is homemade 😄

marble sentinel May 20, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Indeed 😛 Homemade in any case is pretty much always better

low shadow May 21, 2020, 11:41 AM

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Finally exploited HEAP

#

YEAH

low shadow May 21, 2020, 11:57 AM

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Chai Marsala.
@soft violet if u referring to wine then the word marsala is correct , but if u referring to tea its chai masala

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not marsala

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chai = tea (hindi) chiya = tea (nepali), masala = spice

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marsala = wine

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brawndo, it's what plants crave.
@gentle moss plant crave ion and yes brawando though u wouldnt pour energy drink to plant LOL

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 12:03 PM

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but it's got lectrolytes

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that's what plants crave

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 12:57 PM

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do you know about this cool feature?

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multi caret is cool

twilit hull May 21, 2020, 12:59 PM

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carrot

oak tangle May 21, 2020, 1:00 PM

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Yeah, I use it a lot

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 1:00 PM

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pycharm is so cool

oak tangle May 21, 2020, 1:00 PM

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It was one of the first things I looked for after I started to use PyCharm as I was so used to it from Sublime

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 1:00 PM

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very nice

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I also like vertical selection

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and refactoring tools

twilit hull May 21, 2020, 1:03 PM

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those words sounds advanced

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lel

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 1:04 PM

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no, they are simple tools

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Do you agreee with this? I find that it's often 100% the opposite.

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thorn snow May 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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It's a good principle

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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It's more like... if youre tool is so complex that configuration requires a manual and the ability for precise specification is necessary for some users but inaccessible to many others, that's when you write a CLI tool. When the task at hand is about sheer ability to execute whatever with enough tiem to studying the man pages.

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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it minimizes errors

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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yeah I suppose so

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Personally, if an application is extremely complex that last thing i want to see as a user is a GUI.

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Unless its inherantly visual in some way.

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:41 PM

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I agree with config file

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and being able to specify the config file

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I think that configuration that you do not regularly need many bejaviours, it should definitely go in a config before a command flag.

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But if its a thing you need this sometimes and that sometimes

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good for flag

undone berry May 21, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Personally, if an application is extremely complex that last thing i want to see as a user is a GUI.
A GUI means you can achieve some complex stuff without having to dig through manuals. For something where the use case is using it, I think they can definitely save time

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PyCharm is a good example of this

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I'm actually a fan of NOT implementing command line arguments besides --configfile

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I suppose. They can also waste it. But its not a black and white issue. There are different use cases, preferences and productivities... but like okay... in a command line tool, everything is laid out exactly how it should be ideally. If I need whatever, I know exactly where to look for it. I can type it very fast. In a GUI, I have to look.

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Ihave to scour with my eyes to find something in clutter

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Depending on design

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But if its complex

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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and for the love of all that holy, please use either JSON/YAML for your config file

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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that's just shit UI design

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Actually

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That is precisely what I am fixing about this simple photo gallery

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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plenty of programs have made accessible menus without having it become a spelunking expedition

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I hope to make it better anyway

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Are we talking application that is server or client side?

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:46 PM

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But like... I can type a file path that I know faster that I can click on this, click on that. scroll through those, spot it where it is at this zoom level of the screen and window dimensions. The main thing is just that it takes time to be skillful with anything and you have to learn aliasing behaviour and maintaining your own shell scripts

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But like..

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there is no comparison for a lot of things. But both can say that about each othjer. They have important places for me

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I wouldnt give up either

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And when i say maintaining shell scripts, I mean like a couple of lines of the simplest thing in the world

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 2:47 PM

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file path windows are a bit shit when they don't let you type something.

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:47 PM

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So you dont have to look in man pages

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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GUI config for applications are provided because they are cheaper for a business

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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I think it has 100% more to do with the user wont use it.

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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lower entry point for use.

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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I mean on average

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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it makes the program require less knowledge to operate

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which is positive.

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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and cheaper to hire the person to operate it

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TLS, again, whether not to have command line vs GUI vs config file depends on type of application

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:49 PM

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I mean... I definitely agree. And I think for many things you could have both, with one as the default set and the other for on the fly adjustments.

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But it depends. Some programs you will never execute the same way twice

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And will spend a good portion of time assembling it

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Buit they arent all that way

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:50 PM

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and for the love of all that holy, please use either JSON/YAML for your config file
JSON is not a config format, JSON5, INI, YAML, TOML, cfg, ... is

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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what's the difference between JSON and JSON5

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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for command line applications we make, unless the option changes every run or so, config information goes into file, command line argument is --configfile --<not in config file option>

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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i thought json5 was that band with michael json in it.

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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its horrible when people use json as config files. Its worse than command line. It provides none of the ease of use for people who cant open a code editor

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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JSON5 has comments, trailing commas, unquoted keys and other nice features which make it easy to edit

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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And it has no interface to deal with iut

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not that command line is bad

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:52 PM

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SRE here, I want to set both of you on fire

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:52 PM

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JSON is a serialization format, it is in the name

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:52 PM

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and HTML is a programming language.

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:52 PM

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JSON, I'm not going to be editing these files without Editor/IDE or YAML

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WHy? Because those both have support by most command lines natively without a bunch of weird libraries I have to install

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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I'm really talking about from the perspective of an end user.

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For us its not entirely the same

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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JSON is a pain to edit even on editors that support it

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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pip install json5
import json5 #remind me to set the developer on fire```

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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OH NO YOU FORGOT THE LAST ONE DOESNT HAVE A COMMA HAHA

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lol

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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TLS, never had that issue in VSCOde

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I forgot the comma, why is next line all red and such, oh I forgot the comma

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:55 PM

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I want to be able to edit config files with ed over ssh

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:55 PM

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revokes lakmatiol SSH privledges

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:55 PM

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if I cant do that, it is a bad format

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:55 PM

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gets out the bat

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wack why are you wack editting wack wack config files not under wack wack git control?

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:56 PM

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also, JSON has no comments

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which is really bad in a bloody config file

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because yknow, I want to know what a given key does

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:57 PM

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documentation you are probably reading?

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 2:57 PM

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the lack of comments is really awful

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:57 PM

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YAML then

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:58 PM

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looking 2 lines above is faster than searching through docs

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 2:58 PM

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haven't been following the discussion much but using json for config is ew

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:58 PM

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ye, YAML is good, even if a little overfeatured

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 2:58 PM

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it's not human friendly at all

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:58 PM

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kwzrd, real reason to use it is native support

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 2:58 PM

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humans don't natively support it though

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:59 PM

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you should not write config files for the computer

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that is quite literally the exact opposite of their purpose

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 2:59 PM

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i see json as more of a data transfer format

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Sure, it's primary use is that

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 2:59 PM

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ye, JSON is data transfer, and maybe data entry

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 2:59 PM

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but config/ini files are worst

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because you are writing parsers to deal with their shit

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:00 PM

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@lofty dirgewhat?

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:00 PM

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idk, i grew up editing ini/cfg files and i find json far more frustrating

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:00 PM

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why are you parsing config files yourself

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use whatever format your tool supports, or FFI into whatever C lib is around

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or yknow, stop using bad tools

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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config/ini means whatever developer decided when smoking something

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so it could be

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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This is a really weird discussion somehow and the arguments aren't really sound imho

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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doesn't python have a built-in configparser for ini?

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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yes it does

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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key=value```

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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You cannot configure everything with a clicky-di-colorli ui

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I think in python there is no excuse to not simply use a python file as a config file

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in most situations

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Writing a config file for certain things is how things works and how they should work

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:02 PM

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python is not a great data entry language

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if you want a standard config file, use TOML/YAML/JSON5/that one standard format of INI

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:02 PM

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It does not matter what one uses, the syntax must fit the purpose

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I think its better to have a file I can grep for an option instead of looking for it. But I woudl rather use something other than json. Something that is more like, This = this, that = that, not a data structure

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 3:03 PM

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@rough sapphire yeah, I also find it odd - I've seen people write awfully complex config parsers to create deeply nested hierarchies at runtime, when all it really needed was a dict literal

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but some people insist on the config being a non-source file

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I've never quite understood why

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:03 PM

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shrug. Ive never tried it so i cant say its a horrible idea but

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i probably will never bother haha

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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config is data, code is code. You generally want to keep the two distinct.

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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@fervent dock Because it is easier to deal with an error in a config like yaml or json than a syntax error, which stops execution

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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We use JSON/YAML exclusively and almost never edit those files by hand

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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I suppose so.

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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then they are not quite config files, are they

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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I don't buy that argument, you can have a syntax error anywhere in your code

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if you let that reach production, you have other problems

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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they are

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:05 PM

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well, a config file is edited by the end user

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:05 PM

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@fervent dock That makes no sense. A config is user edited

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:05 PM

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and if the user writes a syntax error, well too bad

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:05 PM

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I'm the "end user"

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Weirdly enough, its the most simple linux systems files for running services on networks at low level specification where randomly i edited the file somehow to break

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:05 PM

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as SRE, I'm changing config for some service a developer wrote"

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makes me the "end user"

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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all my config files are pickled python dictionaries because i'm the end user

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so it's fine.

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I think there are quite some principles mixed up in this discussion and it reached a point where everyone is speaking of a very different use case

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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and even then, JSON is supported by so many editors, I've almost never screwed up syntax that editor wasn't like "DUDE, WTF!"

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Yeah, for sure. I dont dislike JSON, i only said anything because right now i have a command likne interface that sucks and it says, "there is a json!"

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and its a tool that you need to have variation

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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if you have a nice editor, any standard format will do the job

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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so im working on it'

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:07 PM

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if you do not, JSON is hell

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:07 PM

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and almost all edits are done on my workstation

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so I have an editor

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 3:07 PM

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That makes no sense. A config is user edited
in that case, yeah, but you probably don't have the user define deep hierarchies - I'm not saying all config should be in source files, but I think very often it can be

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I think if you do what i did to my pelican config file, you can no longer ship it to users as a config file

graceful basin May 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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what advantage does JSON have over TOML as a config file?

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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if you want the user to define something complex, it probably needs a safer interface than editing a raw file

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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lakmatiol, for us, native support by our preferred command line tool, Powershell

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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@fervent dock You've never configured server services, did you?

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I'd rather write apache config files than having to use powershell for that

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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and again, if you used python, native support

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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config files are straight forward

undone berry May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Is Powershell a language, a tool to be used in any terminal, or is it the shitty blue terminal that comes in Windows?

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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language

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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@undone berry all 3

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Charlie, it's a language

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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powershell is apparently super cool, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to learn it

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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i've been trying so hard

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and i still fucking hate it

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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it's OOP scripting focused language

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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this file, which is all the same file, used to be just simple assignments

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undone berry May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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But do you actually use the shitty blue thing in Windows?

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I assume not

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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yes.

fervent dock May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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you can change the colour lol

undone berry May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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ah

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that makes sense

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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for writing Powershell, I use Visual Studio Code

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I dont know why i didnt do that in another file than my config file

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So... definitely separation of concerns is a thion

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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if I'm writing Powershell on the command line, I use new WIndows Terminal

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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@undone berry All powershell 😄

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fervent dock May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I'd agree that the blue is a questionable choice

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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i'm mostly in powershell because of active directory / exchange

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Powershell ISE hiss

undone berry May 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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I just discovered that you can change the colour - so that makes it actually usable. Not sure why the default is unusable

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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they wanted it to be clear when you opened Powershell instead of command line

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because dumb windows admins

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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because windows is blue

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so make it blue

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duh.

undone berry May 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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But its so unusable with the defaults of other programs

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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and then make lots of the highlighted text green

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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No, I asked Powershell Team at Ignite

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they said that was the reason

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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🙄

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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From all the people I know who work in that industry and are into the defcon scene, they do not hate windows server and AD as much as I would expect. They dont want to use it for everything but

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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that's... that's so sophisticated.

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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industry as in sec

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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i don't hate windows server

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i just think it could be less of a twat.

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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AD in particular is one of best User Authentication software out there

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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yup yup

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Ive never touched it.

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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But bottom line is and I think that is what I didn't like about what you guys said: There is not THE ONE config format for everything. Everything has it's use. I use ini as well as json or yaml, always depending on the use case. A tool must fit the need. That applies to wine glasses and drills as well as file formats, IDE, Operating Systems, Hardware etc

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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i couldn't imagine trying to deploy some sort of business environment without AD

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it'd probably be a nightmare

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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One guy who is a mentor of mine told me that its fine for what he uses it for but he would never use the home desktop

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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like my friend who works almost entirely on Linux setup, they run 6 Windows server just for AD authenication for the servers

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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you'd probably have to use OpenLDAP or something

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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@gentle moss Please no. Not for Windows domains

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I was gonna go to defcon for the first time this year

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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i've never bothered to look into it scorch

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I have worked with Linux based Windows domains. It's a fucking pain in the arse

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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as AD works so well.

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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virus come

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I'd rather use a real AD DC

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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it's so easy even an idiot can use it!

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that's me.

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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bisk, no, the Linux servers authenicate against AD, not other way around

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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That probably works better

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Does it have a graphical interface like desktop or basicallyt powershell?

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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For example, with the Linux-based AD, I couldn't roll out software remotely, because it does not support it

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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it has both.

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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so had to come in at 4 in the morning to roll out one program on 50 pc by hand

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:15 PM

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the graphical interface is damn solid for nearly everything you want to do

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but sometimes having the shell is nice

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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I have heard that. It doesnt represent like... ummm ... vectors for ignorant people to do wrong things?

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i guess you dont let them touch the computer

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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i mean...

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don't let idiots touch your active directory setup

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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I find that people are far less likely to touch settings if it doesnnt look easy

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like people at work

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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make the AD servers Windows Core to keep idiots off them

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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but the barrier to entry for simple stuff like adding / removing users

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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word

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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that shit can be done by someone with little knowledge

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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oh definitely.

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I just cant imagine what its like to use Microsoft software that opens up possibility to do things you want to do without fighting it

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Active Directory Graphic Interface

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gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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2016?

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ah nvm, it's exchange that changed in 2019

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Im going to experiment with running different branches for different features concurrently.

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I think it will help me

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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definitely set up a windows ad/dc at some point

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Is it something i can do on a VM for free?

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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uhhh

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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You dont have to answer that lol

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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well you don't have to active windows server for 90 days iirc.

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Yes

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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right haha

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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google Windows Server Eval

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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my windows is still not actrivated. I dont have a problem with it because I never use it. I endure the little message that it has there. I endure harassment and monitoring from them any time i use it

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They are sufficiently paid i think

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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it's not Rule 5 violation to talk about it, Windows Server may be run for 180 days in non production use without license violation

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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I think in my case for a home computer that is not the case.

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But yeah

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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speaking of windows license violations

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i bet so many people are out of compliance atm

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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But I honestly cant remember the last time i logged into it

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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having enabled RDP functionality

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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RDP allows for 2 connections

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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RDP?

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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remote desktop protocol

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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ahh right,

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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yeah, but with everyone shifting to work from home right now

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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I think I have seen someone use that for work, for same reason

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Honestly..

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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i can see it being a higher number than you'd think

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RDP should never be public facing because that's mental

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Sure

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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My wife brought a computer home with her to work on. And yeah

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I have scanned and looked it.

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Its on my network

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but yeah

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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but a ton of companies have been rolling out Azure VDI which cleans the licensing issues right up

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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There is a lot of problems with it

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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VPN -> RDP

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VDI is cool

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:25 PM

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or RDP HTTP Gateway -> RDP

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:25 PM

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yeah, they even said at first when it happened that they couildnt do this work from home because of where she works its an information security issue imo.

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But they eventually had to.

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And they rushed to get it set up]

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And had us sign forms that we would protect it lol

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:25 PM

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that's the real problem, rushing to do it.

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Yep

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Not being prepared is how it feels to be American

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:26 PM

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as a business to business IT support company we've been encouraging our customers to set up some kind of remote working for years

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for disaster reasons

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then it snows and no one can get in

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"we can't get in! we need our critical staff to get access!"

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so we cobble something together

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then point out to them "hey, we told you about this. maybe you should implement a proper plan..."

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"we'll do it later."

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Im pretty sure if I wanted to risk fighting with my wife I could pull up the documents she is using from the cloud. I have seen all the services that are running exposed.

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:27 PM

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then it snows / floods again

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:27 PM

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thats really as far as i care to go into that

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It is my house but its not my stuff

gentle moss May 21, 2020, 3:27 PM

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i want fuck all to do with my miss's work.

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big ol' gdpr uncomfortableness

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:28 PM

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They usually come to me when the skip traces cant find someone who disappeared

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and Ill be like

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"Lay it on me"

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But usually i only want to look at it if itis interesting

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She works in law.

lofty dirge May 21, 2020, 3:31 PM

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ummm

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it's quite possibly they are in Office365

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if so, it may look open, it's not

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I just accidently commited a bunch of things like the venv and stuff that it sucks that i did that. But I didnt push.

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Is there an easy command to take that back

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 3:54 PM

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You can amend the commit

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Ive never heard of that command even...

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ill look at it

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 3:54 PM

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so what you do

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:55 PM

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the .git dir?

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 3:55 PM

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git reset --soft HEAD^ will do a soft reset back to the previous commit, without losing your changes

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then do git reset HEAD path/to/venv to reset the venv

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:55 PM

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ah cool. What does HEAD mean in the context of git? and is the caret intended?

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 3:55 PM

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it is intended and I'll explain that in a sec

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:55 PM

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ill have to read otherwise but thanks for telling me what to do either wya

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 3:56 PM

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once you've done that, you can git commit -c ORIG_HEAD to recreate the commit

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as for HEAD, that always refers to the latest commit in the current branch

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HEAD^ or HEAD~1 is one commit back

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note that my second reset command there didn't use --soft

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there are also --hard resets which will completely reset the state of those files back to whatever the repository had tracked

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:58 PM

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i need to look up several of those flags.

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that is what i assumed that meant

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but the -c on commit. I always just use -m

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 3:58 PM

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well -c isn't for specifying a message

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 3:59 PM

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alright im gonna try it

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 3:59 PM

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it basically reuses the log message and authorship information from another commit

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-c will open an editor so you can edit the message

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-C won't

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since you're in the middle of a reset, the meaning of HEAD has changed, so ORIG_HEAD refers to what HEAD was before you reset

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:00 PM

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so, are you using capital letters to refer to a variable that i have to detrermine what I should put there?

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:00 PM

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No, you have to literally use that text verbatim

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:00 PM

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just making sure

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:00 PM

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they have specific meanings to Git

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:02 PM

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the part i am at now is in the editor, which is not the one id have picked by default but thats fine haha. Is this only for me to edit my message?

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Or is anything else in there special meaning?

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:02 PM

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yeah it's just to edit the message

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it uses vim by default, but I assume you knew that

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you can set the EDITOR shell variable if you want to change it

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:03 PM

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nah, it was nano 🤢

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but cool

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:04 PM

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anyway, hope that helps

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there's a lot of advanced stuff you can do with git that most people don't need

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:04 PM

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it will, I gives me a path of new git concepts to learn. I decided to day that I would use branches more effectively

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and i did this

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:04 PM

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protip: if you edit the gitignore, stage it before you try to stage anything else

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otherwise it won't apply

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:06 PM

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i know, I just didnt.. This is a first commit to this.

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I almost wan to just destroyu the repo and reclone it after saving my files. Its telling me that im ahead how by 1 when I do git status and i cant tell what is in the commit exactly

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git is one of the most confusing things. It took me a while to understand just basic committing and pushing on the same branch but its actually one of the most sophisticated things in software

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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If you're using PyCharm or another intellij ide it can do all this stuff for you

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I can't think of a single thing I'd need to drop to a shell for

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Many other editors have similar tools as well

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I would prefer to use the shell really, its always open no mattter what program im in. Its not so much the commands that are hard. Its the concepts. Its intricately complex on its own.

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i think there is something scary about it too because you can imagine how embarassing it would be to destroy something

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But I guess thats the idea of why we use it

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I mean to be fair though

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Clicking amend in an editor and unticking the files is easier

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But once you've memorised everything you're still in a good spot

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I dont have alot of experience with doing that other than that it causes me to get "your thing does not match the thing please fetch or pull in a sequence that is acceptable" Thats browser edits which i avoid for that reason

sand goblet May 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I don't edit in a browser either, yeah

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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But I use add, commit, and push very regularly. I dont alwasy checkout of and into branches though. And i definitely only have done one merge ever

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and it scared me

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 4:19 PM

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i think there is something scary about it too because you can imagine how embarassing it would be to destroy something
@rough sapphire That is why you learn your tools before you use them. I create cheat sheets for tools I use

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this way you get the options memorized really quick just by creating it

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Definitely, that is basically what i am doing. These are just my shit shows. Although I am working on a fork now of someone elses work. I think its gonna be good for me

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It makes me stop and be like, "Is that worth changing?"

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and then be like, "Nah. I dont know his implementation well enough yet. Im adding one feature rn"

thorn snow May 21, 2020, 4:54 PM

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@rough sapphire Wanna know something I always get wrong and always have to google?

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<link rel="stylesheet" href="/css.css"> this stupid line

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 5:04 PM

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haha yeah, for a long time i didnt get the difference between rel and type to be honest. I actually have to look up what atts go with what and not with other things.

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Like a link tag has an src, um, a rel, and...

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the type is important one that one i guess?

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Mainly with that, its that its has changed so much over the years that i dont trust that its the same way anymore.

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So i have to look it up

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📎 unknown.png

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This is why i cant roll with using that terminal emulator toy in the browser to make shell experiences because i would be putting too much work into something i shouldnt

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Hey they are suggesting automated fixes for some of these

rough sapphire May 21, 2020, 5:51 PM

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at what point do i have too many browsers https://arse.ee/LJhGkSTS.png

grave phoenix May 21, 2020, 5:54 PM

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You are missing opera and chromium