That sounds good
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
sand goblet
Yeah, looks easy enough
man, we might not have automated migrations in kotlin
but we do have asynchronous ORMs
undone berry
Scones are good - but really they're just a vessel for cream and jam
Scones are not at all hard to make. Made them with my nan fairly often when I was a kid
thorn snow
@proper magnet Found the culprit. The extension attr_list is garbling my jinja syntax, even though it isn't supposed to. The extension code highlight is putting my blocks into pre if they are indented
So, looks like one case of Layer 8 issue and one bug
proper magnet
ah, what a pain
thorn snow
attr_list is supposed to run when it sees something like {: .text-center} and replace it with a css class, but ti shouldn't act on {%
I can understand the code highlight thing
that is easy to circumvent
gentle moss
whelp climbing out of that dumpster fire
chilli is done \o/
looks nice, but i didn't get finely diced canned tomatoes
so it's got some tomato lumps in it
:|
undone berry
Is that a bad thing? Tomato lumps seem like they're probably ok
sand goblet
is it stick blender time
gentle moss
yeah but they're like whole tomatoes, it's nicer when they just sorta sink into the background rather than being a key element
that'd turn the mince and beans into paste
can't do that
it'd be meat chilli soup
undone berry
Oh, whole tomatoes is definitely a bit much
gentle moss
been hunting them with a spoon and smooshing them
Hunt for Red Tomator
is that a reference anyone would get? i thought it was pretty good.
undone berry
Assuming its just Hunt for Red October, I'm aware that its a thing purely through other references in pop culture
gentle moss
yeah, it's about a nuclear submarine that's being hunted
and it's under liquid
like the tomatoes.
sand goblet
reminds me of the mili song, meatball submarine
rough sapphire
so what wine is it @gentle moss
gentle moss
an argentinian malbec
rough sapphire
0.7l ?
gentle moss
it's got a decent little fruity kick and when reduced really introduces a lot of rich flavours to the chilli
gentle moss
yeah, i got it to cook chilli
but if there's half left there's half left.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rough sapphire
heh
soft violet
Rice would usually be seen as the healthier option.
plucky ridge
Rice chips
gentle moss
good point. chips it is.
sand goblet
chips it is
undone berry
Rice is definitely seen as healthier - but is it actually?
sand goblet
by weight you're eating way more rice
and I like 150g of rice to myself so I avoid eating rice very often
gentle moss
it really doesn't help that i boil my rice in oil either
should stop doing that
<_<
sand goblet
a new take on fried rice
gentle moss
deep fried rice.
undone berry
I prefer to oil my rice in boil
sand goblet
deep fried rice.
gentle moss
battered deep fried rice
plucky ridge
It'd be like eating gravel
soft violet
Pre cooked maybe.
gentle moss
i bet you can batter a bunch of sticky rice
like sushi rice
then deep fry it
hmmm
tbh, i've seen scotland
you can batter anything
soft violet
@gentle moss That mightn't be bad.
undone berry
Its like a risotto except you add butter instead of other liquid
soft violet
Yeah.
sand goblet
I know a scottish chick and her family deep fries fucking everything
including whole turkeys
gentle moss
yeah because they're so proud of their oil supply
undone berry
a deep fried turkey sounds worth trying
plucky ridge
You sure they're not American?
sand goblet
nah it's a scottish thing
gentle moss
i think the scottish make american deep frying look quaint in a lot of ways
sand goblet
deep fried mars bars came from a bar in scotland
and then everyone did it
and the bar tried to sue everyone and failed
gentle moss
can get nearly any chocolate bar deep fried
soft violet
Dills.
gentle moss
i'm pretty sure i've seen deep fried beans too
undone berry
Even if they won - its impossible to sue a million tiny local fish and chip shops
gentle moss
i wasn't expecting it to be cakes
undone berry
I would 100% eat that
gentle moss
same
soft violet
Beans are great.
undone berry
I feel like it would be phenomenal with a full English
Beans are great- although they're rubbish as part of a breakfast
they infect everything else with bean juice
soft violet
The Italians do good beans.
gentle moss
you've got to structurally engineer your breakfast
to create a bean dam
i have these bowl plate things and i usually stick the bacon in the middle, stick the beans on the other side, then onions and fried egg on tother
undone berry
but the bean dam still leads to at least two things being beanified. If you use toast - then you have no toast for the egg. If you use sausage, then you have beany sausage which is a downgrade
soft violet
Black beans with fish, Chinese. Delish.
undone berry
Generally spooning - but maybe. Honestly, I mostly just eschew beans entirely at this point
gentle moss
i'm with you that there's maybe like 5-10% too much bean juice in a tin
i think i only use them for fryups and shit-omlettes
gentle moss
i don't really beans on toast but i do scrambled eggs on toast with ketchup
i think that's my lazy toast meal
i know, it sounds weird. i thought it was weird before a friend finally ate it enough for me to be like "well fucking fine i'll stoop to your level".
gentle moss
that requires 1) a tomato 2) effort to slice it 3) both of those points defeat the purpose
ketchup has a sweeter tang to it anyway
soft violet
It takes more effort to scramble eggs than it does to slice a tomato.
gentle moss
no it doesn't
undone berry
You do microwave scrambled eggs - so I can see the laziness
but if you do it in a pan
gentle moss
crack 2 eggs into a bowl and scramble
undone berry
then thats waaaay too much effort
gentle moss
yeah, i microwave em
because i'm a monster apparently
no one has ever noticed i microwave them when i've fed them
hoity toity pan egg people smh
i think people who think microwaved scrambled eggs are bad just don't know how to use a microwave properly
undone berry
I'm very skeptical about your microwave elitism - they're pretty easy to use
although - some people just ignore instructions on food and do everything for X amount of minutes
which is bonkers
gentle moss
yeah but you've got the know your microwave
learn all its quirks
find the power setting and not just slap it on high
soft violet
This is my microwave. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
gentle moss
i was going to go down a weird french artist route rather than full metal jacket
soft violet
slaps microwave This bad boy can fit so many eggs in it.
gentle moss
ho ho ho mon amy. ze microwave is the piere de resistance of cooking once you make love to her like a beautiful mistress.
12 french people just had a heart attack.
ett vwala!
she goes ping
undone berry
I feel like you should open a French haute microwave cuisine restaurant
gentle moss
and ze eggs, they are done
i have been watching too much Poirot
and yes i know he's belgian
undone berry
I just downloaded all of Poirot
gentle moss
it's fucking great
undone berry
David Suchet is absolutely fantastic
gentle moss
ahhhh, but 'eystings, did you not notice ze shadows in ze painting?
soft violet
@undone berry My former piano teacher met him, once. Gave him a painting he did of a "Poirot Rose".
Which may have just been the painting's title, and not an actual breed of rose.
undone berry
I just googled it - seems to also be an actual rose
soft violet
There it is.
undone berry
I absolutely love this google result for some reason. Just David Suchet chilling with a rose
soft violet
That bloody mustache.
sand goblet
Numberwang was theirs too wasn't it?
plucky ridge
I read that as "Blood Mustache" and I was thinking of it as a milk mustache
But like
Blood
gentle moss
numberwang was, yeah
soft violet
Fancy pirates.
gentle moss
they also have a great one for milk moustache Hemlock
why the hell did people go for big bushy moustaches.
mine covers my top lip if i brush it straight, so i side comb it
still get stuff in it
gentle moss
cheesy chips with chilli con carne
the chilli is hiding under the chips, so the chips don't lose their crisp
jagged fog
ah my local flake8 runs fine but github flake8 checks fails because of F541 f-string is missing placeholders and I don't know why my local lint doesn't detect that 
sand goblet
you'll want to update flake8 and your plugins
sand goblet
No worries
raven topaz
rough sapphire
#cybersecurity Would love that
soft violet
Rate of transfer would be shit. Fun idea, though. The other one I saw used the HDD activity light.
Or the cpu/system fan, as opposed to the power supply's
Oh, I see. It uses the electronic whine.
gentle moss
ooooooooooooh
i love esoteric exfil
@soft violet these methods always have slow data rates
but they're super fun
i wonder how different qualities of power supplies fare under that
gentle moss
cause it's got a tail
finite sandal
Am I the only one that can't script here?
rough sapphire
@finite sandal Script?
this isn't roblox XD
Although I do play an script on Roblox myself
plucky ridge
I mean, in fairness, Python is a scripting language
topaz aurora
plucky ridge
Why did you do this to me
topaz aurora
BOFU is a rabbit hole of both good, bad, meme-y, and absolutely perfect MVs
Context: It's a song composition contest for a rhythm game held annually.
plucky ridge
Something in my brain really doesn't like the whole Rust implicit return thing
fn five() -> i32 {
5
}
```Would return the value `5`Like, I get it
But it just feels off to me
Just feels naked and less readable
wheat lynx
Is it considered bad practice just to use return anyway? That's usually what I feel like I want to do
plucky ridge
Yeah I might
Not sure, I guess it would likely depend on the code base
But looking at the Rust Book, it seems like it's common practice.
Including with the ternary stuff
let condition = true;
let number = if condition { 5 } else { 6 };
So those would be implicit returns there as well I think
sand goblet
I don't like implicit returns for explicitly defined functions
But I do like them for lambdas and similar
Which is how kotlin does it so that's fine
graceful basin
I dont mind it for single lines, though I think kotlin does it clearer with fun u() = 6
when you have something like
sub u() {
say "Hello World";
6
}
```it is a bit strange.I think I had this aversion to it last time I tried to learn Rust
I'm sure I'll get over it, but it's still really weird to me
graceful basin
ye, it is more being used to it. It does make more sense in terms of functional languages, and Rust is much closer to statically typed functional langs than most other langs
pony does something similar as well
raku just has that because it uses same syntax for lambdas
plucky ridge
... Rust is much closer to statically typed functional langs than most other langs
Yeah I suppose that's true. I wonder why I never made that connection before
Might also be why I like it
I've gotten on a functional kick lately
rough sapphire
the worst part of the pelican documentation is the assumption that im using RST...
There seem to be more features available if I chose to use RST, like syntax highlighting in codeblocks. There is no explanation of how to do that in md files.
It looks like this should just be handled through markdown extentions. either way, wish the default was not rst
lime bison
@plucky ridge oh, you'll definietly hate this then 
https://github.com/isidentical-archive/rustyreturn
plucky ridge
@lime bison Why would you do this to me
I mean I'm impressed that you managed to get it to work
But it scares me
oak tangle
oh hey
it uses ast to capture the value of an Expr
wait
not Expr
I was playing with that in a different context this weekend
lime bison
hahaha better name @sand goblet
yep @oak tangle, it finds the last Expr if the last node isn't an if statement. If there is an if statement, it tries to get all possible ends recursively by checking if/else's bodies.
oak tangle
That's pretty neat
lime bison
thanks
oak tangle
I was working on our "internal eval" command, which evaluates code for us
And I wanted to capture the value of the last node if it's an Expr
As we occasionally forget to print it
Pretty simple and no recursive traversal needed
lime bison
makes sense
sand goblet
Divoo make some really interesting (but expensive) low density pixel grid displays
They don't have an API and I want something programmable but I can't see much..
I know where to get an LED matrix from but I'm not sure how I might make it look like a pixel grid
That's how their stuff looks
Hmm.
gentle moss
i'd imagine having segmented sections with individual RGB clusters
you could probably get away with RGB tape + something to segment each individual set of RGB's
sand goblet
I can actually get an actual LED matrix panel
Adafruit do them
They just look.. well, round
And without the black space between
gentle moss
just realised tape wouldn't even work because you'd need individual control
you'd have to wire each element up to a controller
pine vector
g, diffusion looks to be an addition on that panel. helps with the sunlight-like reaction that led panels incur. 
☀️
charred socket
Hello folks
gentle moss
ello
sand goblet
It's the grid I'm worried about @pine vector
Diffusion alone will just make all the LEDs blend into each other
And I don't have a 3D printer, access to one, or any idea of any of the software involved
pine vector
true true
hmm. those grids are available for...uhhh. florescent lighting, iirc. might be constrained size wise though...
sand goblet
Hmm
sand goblet
3dhubs?
pine vector
sand goblet
That looks.. industrial
pine vector
oh...they've changed a bit it seems. it was basically a network of personal/professional 3d printer folks you could send jobs to.
sand goblet
I mean I guess there must be something like that
pine vector
any maker-spaces where you can rent 3d printer time?
sand goblet
Not in rural Ireland
pine vector
yeah, they're pretty metro-centric...
sand goblet
There was a guy in a nearbyish town that did 3d printing a few years back
But he didn't do like precision work, it was stuff like clear plastic skulls
gentle moss
tbh i'd never think 3d printing
i'd buy 2d strips then dremel / hacksaw slots in them
wow, 2d strips
plastic strips.
sand goblet
2d strips as opposed to 3d strips
pine vector
i prefer the 1d strips.
gentle moss
mobius strips?
sand goblet
I'm more of a Klein jar guy myself
gentle moss
hah
sand goblet
This is definitely a project I'm interested in though
gentle moss
a mobius strip only has 1 side
sand goblet
The other interesting point is that adafruit do denser matrix panels than this
pine vector
litmus strips have 2... so i don't like those? 😄
gentle moss
yeah buuuuuuut
sand goblet
But at that point I'm not gonna be able to make a grid either
gentle moss
build it yourself?
pine vector
you need powah for the 64x64 though. tradeoffs abound.
gentle moss
could be as big as you want
gentle moss
the hardware build interests me far more than the software side tbh
pine vector
don't expect too much speed then.
sand goblet
A pi 4 would be fine
gentle moss
i think it's more GPIO frequency?
pine vector
yeah, its more the OS/GPIO
gentle moss
yeeee boi
i apparently know my shit
got the whole grid thing with led strips right to start
now this
i'm on fire.
like half my fucking city
pine vector
you can get there, but you're pretty low level in C. from my understanding at least. maybe some node can get there?
sand goblet
The adafruit bonnet uses all 40 pins though
And it supports multiplexing
So it can't be that slow
pine vector
uses or connects to? there are only two pins that are hardware PWM capable iirc.
pine vector
or are they software... RPi gets so confusing.
sand goblet
You can use them from software yeah
pine vector
oh yeah! that bonnet offloads the LED driving from the RPi.
gentle moss
i'm the type of person who'd start the project wanting a cool LED panel but then make it and do nothing.
charred socket
Wish I knew more about hardware
Kinda would like to learn more about SDR at some point
pine vector
@frozen pendant Raspberry Pi. small single board computer
gentle moss
not related to LED displays though
frozen pendant
oh lmao cool
charred socket
That's true
But the limiting factor is always time
sand goblet
I wonder if the 64x64 panel really needs a grid
frozen pendant
yeah we got those for free at school, made flappy bird 😂
sand goblet
The LEDs are small enough to be distinct
gentle moss
they'll blend without dividers
sand goblet
gentle moss
that makes me... slightly unhappy g
sand goblet
They look kind of square actually
gentle moss
idk what it is, but the crispy LED light puts me off a bit
maybe just some tracing paper over it or something
anyway, bed time. o/
sand goblet
Yeah it still needs a slight diffusion
sand goblet
Woo
gentle moss
nn
pine vector
o/
sand goblet
Hmm, but also
The bonnet needs its own power supply
I guess there isn't a way to fold both into the same electrical socket..
Think I'd better sleep on it.
gusty oar
is that crime if one website sells data of their users
pine vector
depends on a few things...
pine vector
still could be legal. when a merger happens, all data goes.
the major sticking points i know of are user agreements (did you know your data could be sold when you supplied it?), and regional regulations (disclosure, notice of transference, etc).
gusty oar
but sometimes that could be violate personal privacy
- if data contains password account security
it should be crime still
pine vector
again, depends on the regional laws. they're not all the same...
gusty oar
ah okay
rough sapphire
I agree that there is a lot of bullshit about it and many things that are legal shouldnt be.
I think its insane that there are loopholes that allow people to dump public data about people.
soft violet
I think if anything the current state of affairs has shown us is that it's not about what's legal or not. It's about what power you have and what you can get away with as a result.
rough sapphire
There isn't that much that makes it different from me doxxing you and dumping a pastebin abou you and telling everyone to harass you.
soft violet
Or, more accurately, what power other people have over you.
Because you don't have any power.
rough sapphire
Only its legal somehow nad they do it to people en masse. Yeah.
Basically like, a lot of the things that if I did them as a non-business, it would be seen as me being a cyber terrorist or some nonsense.
But if I had a business that was paying taxes the doors swing open for me to do a number of fucked up things.
rough sapphire
There are a lot of things like this. For example, if I can prove that Im an actual business and show the documents to Facebook, they are more likely to give me access to their users sensitive info through API.
Idk. Its too late for me to get all worked up an angry about capitalism.
But its bullshit sometimes.
rough sapphire
you do get sanctions in the millions but those numbers are a drop in the bucket
money > law
well not many other companies can say "we paid 20 million in sanctions last year"
but that's like .. nothing to them
gentle moss
it's interesting to see it turn around a little bit
but the imposed fines are toothless pretty much
perhaps if they knocked out an entire quarters profits
i think the GDPR fine rates for global corps are a nice change
up to €20m or 4% of global turnover, whichever is larger
rough sapphire
that number can get pretty large
undone berry
I wonder if one will ever stick to Facebook/Google/MS
One of those has got to be doing something GDPR fine worthy
rough sapphire
i doubt the gdpr is well-defined enough
that it will ever stick anywhere
but what do i know
undone berry
I'm sure some GDPR fines have already been given out
rough sapphire
is there a wall of shame
undone berry
Yeah - I'm actually surprised at how many fines have been given
rough sapphire
google got 50 million too
undone berry
that's actually pretty dissapointing. Just glancing through an article about their breach, seems like that £44m is pretty tiny
rough sapphire
those numbers don't matter in the least.
undone berry
rough sapphire
yuss. small victory against some bulgarian telecom companies. they always do this annoying bullshit where you go and write your names there and they sign you up for all kinds of bullshit you didn't ask for
then the bills are all fucked up etc
Repeated registration of prepaid services without the knowledge and consent of the data subject Employees of the telecommunications provider have used personal data and registered the complainant with the company's prepaid service. The data subject had not signed the application and had not consented to the processing of his personal data for the stated purpose. There was also no other legal basis applicable. The signature of the application and the complainant own genuine application were not identical and the persons personal identification number was indicated, but the identity card number was not the complainants one.
got a fine of 27,100 euros for that
so not only did they sign up this person up but the signature was not done by the person themself...
rough sapphire
good
gentle moss
i mean that was one of the reasons for making it
previous data protection laws were not toothy enough for a start
but also had "wiggle room"
and tended to vary between each European state
the ICO in the UK gave out some of the most piss weasel type fines for massive breaches
rough sapphire
i guess it might be much better than previous systems
gentle moss
it gives a lot of control back to the people. it's nice.
i've had myself removed from a number of marketing lists through angry GDPR threat emails
undone berry
I feel like the law is pretty great - just gotta hope the enforcement of it matches up
which right now - I'm skeptical about
gentle moss
it seems to be okay so far, but then again we don't have wide spread transparency of those large corporations as it stands
that's another thing that needs to be improved.
undone berry
I mean - the fine on Google seems like its not enough to be a deterrent for the tech megacorps to fudge things slightly
gentle moss
yeah, that's a bit of a slap on the wrist
undone berry
44m£ is a pittance - if thats what fines look like, companies are only ever going to do the bare minimum and live on the edge
gentle moss
but i doubt it would've even been touched on if GDPR wasn't a thing
baby steps i guess
undone berry
Yeah - that's true. Without GDPR they'd have just carried on entirely unchecked. At least this way they were forced to change
gentle moss
that's all we can really hope for
GDPR was actually a pretty big lurch in policy tbh
rough sapphire
the amount of training people are being given in terms of GDPR has been very good for general data security imo
rough sapphire
well yeah but who takes it seriously if money isn't an incentive? 😓
.. or punishment
suddenly the clerk at the front office thinks twice about leaving the computer unattended for 3 minutes logged in while going to the bathroom, when somebody coming down the GDPR chain from the bosses office will come asking questions when there is a breach...
gentle moss
or businesses who never thought about what data they were storing or how.
the default used to be data slurp
just get everything you can and store it
undone berry
There's also still a million small businesses out there who are in breach of GDPR, and there's no easy path for them to fix it
e.g hairdressers having phone numbers of people from 10 years ago in a book
gentle moss
yeah
thing is, it's not applied harshly to all cases
there is some wiggle room depending on your scale / the operation you run
undone berry
Yeah - for small businesses the fines are nonexistant, and the ICO mostly tries to just get you to actually be compliant
gentle moss
our company has supported a number of companies, medium / small, in becoming compliant
and a lot of it can just be having a written document showing what steps you've taken to secure data.
undone berry
It would just be nice if there was better guidance for Jill the hairdresser to be compliant somewhere
gentle moss
that'll filter down in time i think
undone berry
Yeah - true
rough sapphire
does a person need to be GDPR compliant
gentle moss
no.
rough sapphire
so I can add phone numbers into my contact list without asking for permission etc?
gentle moss
sure.
gentle moss
yeah, but not an individual in a private capacity
undone berry
should be compliant
rough sapphire
I'm actually a sole trader technically 🤔
gentle moss
then i'd advise you to split your business / personal information carefully
:P
i've just watched all of PMQ's while taking notes
not for any real reason, it's just been a while since i used a pen.
rough sapphire
pmq?
gentle moss
UK parliament proceedings where MP's get to ask the Prime Minister questions.
i think i just leveled up to superdork
time to pickle some chillies i think
rough sapphire
make a chutney instead
rough sapphire
you've obviously not had good chilli chutney
@gleaming hare use ssh keys.
storing the credentials is very bad
One time I ate an entire bottle of pickled olives as if it was a light snack. If they leave the olives out at a bar, I will eat all of them
rough sapphire
after you've done this, use the ssh url to clone, instead of the https link
you'll have to update your older repos (locally) as well
I should set that up. I'm wanting to go over my old repos and clean them up anyway. Some are abandonned in a state that I would hope no one would use them, without me saying anything about it.
gleaming hare
on this pc i have only my BetterRussianMC repo
rough sapphire
@gleaming hare this is where you get the ssh "url"
I recognize your icon from github.
my icon from github? 👀
gleaming hare
back
rough sapphire
yeah. I figured out it was you a whie ago. I have looked through your l33t proof of concepts.
gleaming hare
on this part, which email should i use?
rough sapphire
it doesn't really matter
gleaming hare
so i can use the icloud one?
rough sapphire
i just have xx@localhost in there
it's just a comment for the ssh key
to tell them apart
gleaming hare
ah ok
plucky ridge
I really really really hope they never get rid of VGA on monitors and computers
plucky ridge
I've had some many issues with monitors that were fixed by just switching to a VGA
Well
In business machines
gentle moss
ooooh
we had a batch of Dells come in with no VGA
fucking ball ache because all the screens were VGA
plucky ridge
Thankfully HP still has it on theirs
gentle moss
so we had to buy a load of displayport -> vga adapters
plucky ridge
See that's where I have my issue
DisplayPort is amazing
When it works
But it's never a 100% success rate
gentle moss
mine has been :(
plucky ridge
I might just have shitty luck then
But this is also why I hold onto adapters and cables
rough sapphire
I use DP whenever I can nowadays and I've never had any issues
plucky ridge
The issue I just fixed was: The user had a laptop hooked into a dock
gentle moss
i had way more trouble with DVI / HDMI than DP / VGA
HDMI is a giant bag of dicks for PC's
plucky ridge
The dock has 2 DP ports. I had it hooked up to the second monitor using a DP to HDMI
gentle moss
especially if you're converting it to VGA.
plucky ridge
Every now and then, the monitor would just flicker off and on in like... 4 second intervals
Updated drivers, updated system, repaired system files
Nothing
Swap to a VGA cable? Fixed
rough sapphire
that's normal, it's a DP feature which decreases eye strain by disabling the screen
plucky ridge
And instead causes mild seizures
WHY did I try to spell it like that
The hell, brain
plucky ridge
Someone's doing alright for themselves
gleaming hare
now i need to somehow get rid of that warning
plucky ridge
Should only do that the first time
gleaming hare
k
gentle moss
same happens when you connect to any host in that way
gentle moss
it'll compare the known hosts keys to what you're connected to
if you're trying to connect to an IP but the host key is different
it'll throw up a big ol' red flag and abort
rough sapphire
you should consider removing password logins from your .ssh config file once you have RSA set up.
Its not really related to GitHub but if you have ssh on your home computer and you're not doing with RSA keys, then youre accepting passwords. Ive never actually tried to brute force through ssh, but it seems like it would be pretty easy to do.
Either way, having it not accept passwords at all makes me feel better
I would probably be more concerned if I had it exposed to the live internet.
plucky ridge
Anyone know off hand if there's a way to tell what kind of database a system is using? Like would it possibly be something mentioned in the header of one of the .dat, .blb or.idx files or something?
lofty dirge
generally files show
graceful basin
open it in hexedit and see if there are some ascii characters that form a word
lofty dirge
if it's self contained, it's probably either SQLite or some weirdness where it's JSON file they binary
plucky ridge
It's spread across multiple files and extensions, so my gut says it's not SQLite
gentle moss
might just be home rolled
plucky ridge
Also a folder called Detail that has a bunch of .000 files
gentle moss
smells fishy to me
plucky ridge
As in probably home rolled?
gentle moss
too hard to say
i take it you don't have to install anything or setup ODBC on install?
plucky ridge
Nope
gentle moss
considering the type of software it is i wouldn't be surprised if they built their own thing
plucky ridge
Yeah that's what I'm afraid of. God this would be significantly easier if I could automate. I really don't want to have to sort through 3k clients by hand to make sure I don't have duplicates or ones without categories
gentle moss
i'm not sure how much use it would be
but you could use something like Autohotkey?
i've used it before to automate some software that didn't have any clear batch processing
but those problems could be solved by repeating the same ~20 key presses over and over
plucky ridge
Possibly, but unlikely
I've got two other places to look then I guess I'm back to the grunt work
I mean at the very least, at least I have a activity log to help the latter part of all this
gentle moss
i wonder how many man years are wasted because of non-automatable systems
plucky ridge
Certainly more than I'd want to think about
That was mean, I apologize
Damn it. The API executable is specifically for printing to DMS rather than traversing it
Damn it
I hate this program
Oh wait
I found the engine at least
DBISAM
No wonder it was so hard to track down which it was, that's one of the advertising points.
DBISAM - Everywhere, yet seldom seen
... and can be branded so that no one eve knows that DBISAM is being used.
gentle moss
hah
plucky ridge
That does not invoke confidence to say the least
Oh good, great. Looking up Python 3 and DBISAM gives me a cracker for it but not something actually useful for me
Yeah, throwing in the towel. There's nothing quick so I'd have to develop something myself to do this, and that's waaaay above my paygrade (read as skill level), or at the very least not going to work with the time constraints I have
gentle moss
yeah, guess just going to have to clicky clicky :(
plucky ridge
Thanks for being here with me during this emotional rollercoaster. Sadly the picture it took on the way down the hill came out blurry, so no way to get it on a t-shirt
gentle moss
plucky ridge
Exactly
Oh and this kind of bummed me out. So there's a way to sort clients by the categories they have
There is not an option to sort out the ones that DON'T have categories
Which is what I'm trying to fix
gentle moss
what if you just type NULL into the category filter
that was a joke but at this point idk with this software
it sounds awfully made
man if that worked i'd have to do a dance
plucky ridge
Not really an option with how this is set up. The filters on the left just let me select the categories on the right
(Blacked out the name of one of our partners)
gentle moss
and i guess you can't add a "none" filter
plucky ridge
Ugh, I just had an idea and I'm going to hate myself for it. A none filter would just show everything. I think
Actually that's a good question
If that works I'm going to be both happy and sad
gentle moss
this sort of thing should be documented by whoever made this
software engineers not considering all use cases make brain go hurty
plucky ridge
It's financial and tax software. They know they have us by the balls, they don't give a damn
gentle moss
niche software is a bastard
gentle moss
hahaha
plucky ridge
- Make copy of DB
- Migrate clients with categories into the appropriate new database
- Delete those instances in the copied DB
- Sort the rest by hand
plucky ridge
I think that's my only option if I don't want to be miserable
gentle moss
but cannot filter by that
plucky ridge
Ayep
gentle moss
get in the fucking bin
plucky ridge
Pretty sure I've been in the bin gang since this project was proposed
plucky ridge
And of course the partner who proposed this whole thing is like "Well the other firm didn't talk about any issues with this." Mean while they were talking with one of the accountants instead of the IT guy who had to do the actual migration
So
Yeah
I think that's what I'm going to have to do
gentle moss
poop in the developers bottom desk drawer.
no one looks in their bottom drawer that often
it's where things go to die
plucky ridge
That's where I keep my snacks
gentle moss
i keep my work hot sauces in there
plucky ridge
My tea is in the top drawer, misc in the middle, snacks on the bottom
gentle moss
ah, my top is actual documents, middle is stationary
but i have two lots of drawers too
the other one is filled with hardware i haven't sorted through and just gone
"meh"
and dumped it in there
switches, hard drives, usb sticks, sd cards. few keyboards / mice
plucky ridge
Switches are like candy to me, I can't get enough of them
gentle moss
i've got so many it's like that holding stuff meme
usually 4-8 port gigabit ones. just not much use for them.
plucky ridge
It can, but I think currently the longest chain I have at home is router to switch to PS4
thorn snow
No, I mean more than 1 or 2 l2 switches in a chain
plucky ridge
Well this could take a little while
plucky ridge
Eh, it's going at a decent little clip
But likely the rest of the day
And in fairness this should be less of a process, since it's mostly copying and going to restructure the database when it's done rather than as it goes
gentle moss
can you do anything while it's doing that?
plucky ridge
On the one it's copying from yeah
plucky ridge
Well
Okay, I can't at this machine
So I was planning on just learning more Rust while I make sure nothing suddenly implodes
I'm finally back to the chapter on Ownership
gentle moss
i've spent time trying to up my bash skill
build / install scripts for environments
stuff that's been replaced by so many good pieces of software
plucky ridge
Should have seen this coming. I had a hunch but I had hoped I was wrong
plucky ridge
Sadly no
"Access denied to table or backup file"
I see that one from time to time but it's completely at random when it triggers
The normal solution (when it comes up when printing PDFs to the database) is to just try again
I have NO idea what it does during something like that
gentle moss
perhaps it's a file lock during write
plucky ridge
Likely, but I would think it'd just wait it's turn instead of freaking the fuck out
graceful vale
can anyone help me setup the pycharm with python 3.8.2?
plucky ridge
The folks over in #tools-and-devops should be able to help straighten things out for you
buoyant pendant
A amazingly interesting talk! and a bunch of awesome tech packed into it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7BXih7zx8
gentle moss
i mean given the quality of this software i'm surprised it didn't just corrupt everything and keel over
<_<
buoyant pendant
hm?
buoyant pendant
ah. good luck!
plucky ridge
I don't need luck, I need an old priest and a young priest to exorcize this sob
Hmm
Okay, that's weird.
Apparently when I initially selected the clients to copy over, I missed some? Despite using a Shift click?
I hate this software
gentle moss
demand hazard pay
plucky ridge
"No, I'm pretty sure DMS is giving me cancer."
gentle moss
:D
"i can't explain it but i spent 4 hours looking at the software and my eyes started bleeding."
plucky ridge
"And yes, while you may say that it probably has to do with the pencils I jammed into my eyes, I have a hunch it's actually due to DMS."
gentle moss
"i'm pretty sure the programmers have written a namshub into the software, i just can't control it."
plucky ridge
That's a hell of a reference
plucky ridge
I used the glory of the goog
gentle moss
fun concept
being able to control or fuck with people's brains through them reading certain things.
that's actually a belief held by Alan Moore who wrote Watchmen and V for Vendetta
undone berry
Like the daily mail?
gentle moss
haha
plucky ridge
Zing
Fuck
Again
Alright, going to have to try it via just copying it using the file explorer
I should have just done this in the first place
Well. Shit
gentle moss
:|
plucky ridge
Well, in theory that means it should be ready for me by the time I get into work tomorrow as opposed to having to continue to wait for it to be done
So that's a plus
plucky ridge
God damn it
You know the worst part of all this?
I'm enjoying it
I genuinely love my job, even when I'm bitching and moaning like this
It's another puzzle to solve, and I love that
gentle moss
same
i get the grumps all the time and it's nice to vent about it
helps in a lot of ways
plucky ridge
For sure
gentle moss
still love solving the problem
plucky ridge
Helps me step through the possibilities
I guess we wouldn't be in this business if we didn't love it in some way
gentle moss
i stayed at work until 1am at one point trying to find a way to get into a microsoft exchange database without having to pay for dumb software
the challenge was just too much fun
gentle moss
was a super old database thrown into an archive when the system was upgraded
kept in case of legal matters
undone berry
Is that Windows?
gentle moss
legal matter happened and they needed like 3 emails
plucky ridge
Yep, it is
undone berry
I'd have 0 faith in Windows managing to do anything for 18hrs
plucky ridge
Oh hey, dropped to 13 hours
gentle moss
windows time (tm) (r) and even (c)
plucky ridge
Well so far the transfer speed hasn't dipped below 6MB/s
Mostly hovering around 7-8
And considering I've had Windows do stuff like this for longer, I'm not overly worried
Older, less stable versions of windows at that
Down to 10 hours 30
Yeah I figured that was mainly a huge ballpark estimate
Factoring in the amount of time it took to figure out how much stuff there was
gentle moss
if only the indexing system worked it could be more accurate faster.
plucky ridge
In fairness, 300+ gigs is pretty hard to get a good, quick index and estimate on
gentle moss
true
i've just been attacked by boiling oil in the same spot on my arm from halfway across the kitchen 3 times now
my tuna cakes have never spit this violently
what did i do wrong today
plucky ridge
Are the veggies staging a siege?
gentle moss
trying to keep me from flipping them i think
plucky ridge
Would it be gross or just weird to put a birthday candle on a fish cake?
plucky ridge
When your dad is Captain Fishfinger
gentle moss
did you ever have those birdseye fishfingers adverts?
plucky ridge
Nope, I just hear them talked about on No Such Thing as a Fish. We do have the brand, but there isn't a lot of advertising
gentle moss
fuck knows mate
but they tried at one point to replace the old guy captain image
with this
plucky ridge
I mean it's either that or rabbit poop
plucky ridge
Oh there was a paper towel brand that pulled that...
gentle moss
was just weiiiiird
blissful moth
he hot tho
blissful moth
he do be hot
plucky ridge
I kind of like the mustache
gentle moss
i prefer the guy on the left. the moustache sells "trustworthy"
the other guy looks like he'd try to bang your wife
plucky ridge
Makes me think of a younger, blonder Tom Selleck
plucky ridge
And it's weird, it's not like the new guy is less of an idealized macho dude
Oh wait
It apparently gets weirder
The current
plucky ridge
"Man, this is some tough lettuce. I'm going to need the steak knife."
gentle moss
I nearly always eat with a steak knife
plucky ridge
"Wife creature, I'm warning you. Stay away from my food or you get the stabbins"
Couldn't remember if it was wife or girlfriend
But wife creature sounds better
undone berry
I've always wanted to eat a meal that is normally eaten with a knife and fork by just ripping it apart with my hands
just ignoring the mess and mild disgustingess
and eating like a caveman
plucky ridge
I usually just use a fork unless it REALLY needs it
Just cut pieces off with the side of the fork
undone berry
The best foods I can think of just don't need a knife at all
stews and pies and soups
rough sapphire
I made buckwheat porridge with chicken mince today
was excellent
but I ended up making about a fuckton of it
so it's what I'll be eating for the rest of this week
undone berry
I have 0 conception of what that would be like to eat. Chicken and porridge are very incongruous in my head
rough sapphire
ok so
it's not like a mass like porridge usually is
each "grain" is more or less still separate
undone berry
So is the texture more like rice?
undone berry
Oh - that seems pretty decent actually - at least in terms of the texture Im imagining it has
rough sapphire
mine also just has bits of cooked mince chicken and sauteed onions in it
it's great
undone berry
Yeah, that sounds pretty great
rough sapphire
idk why it's called "porridge" in estonian, directly translated it
oh, apparently it actually is a type of porridge
gentle moss
[20:45] Charlie: I've always wanted to eat a meal that is normally eaten with a knife and fork by just ripping it apart with my hands
i've eaten a whole chicken with my bare hands
tore apart every single bit and gnawed everything of every bone
until there was nothing left but a plate of bones
undone berry
That just seems like a very fun way of eating - not regularly, but as a one off
gentle moss
yeah, it did feel pretty 11th century
i recommend doing it at least once
i did it at home but a guy i used to skate with got a rotisserie chicken from coop and then just ate the whole thing outside like a monster
undone berry
At some point, I'm sure I'll do it
undone berry
That is easily the closest to caveman as it gets
I don't think any animal leg really even comes that close
rough sapphire
just finished watching the mandalorian
definitely recommended
had a few wobbly moments in storytelling/consistency, but overall it's top tier
plucky ridge
🎶 Baby Yoda do doo do do 🎶
plucky ridge
🎶 Baby same species as Yoda do doo do do 🎶
rough sapphire
that theme music is going to be stuck in my head for a while i think
plucky ridge
Fingers crossed, but it seems like the file transfer should go smoothly. No database wrangling since it's just the pure files that the DB handles. Should be good to do a lot of the work tomorrow on this database project
ocean cipher
.topic
median domeBOT
Name one thing you like about a person to your right.
ocean cipher
Air lets me breathe
rough sapphire
Air lets me breathe
Air is flattered
tame terrace
inner crag
as long as i stay on the off topic right?
primal shell
.topic
median domeBOT
What is the title of the last book you read?
primal shell
click
undone berry
After using a password manager - sites with maximum password lengths are so incredibly tilting. Paypal limits it to 20 characters
gentle moss
oh shit
that reminds me
i've got a meeting tomorrow with a software company about a password manager for companies
handles 2FA and all sorts without the user ever being exposed to the creds
undone berry
Hm - specifically a solution for enterprise? If so - I'm surprised Bitwarden or similar has swept in and eaten up that space
gentle moss
from what i gather this runs from a centralised server or cloud offering
it means if you've got say a single login for a service that requires 2fa or the likes, you can store that and everyone in the team can use it
while never having to 2fa their device
just install the plugin and login into the plugin with creds
from what i gather
undone berry
That is pretty cool. I'm guessing you can have 2fa to sign in to the 2fa service though
gentle moss
yeah, per user 2fa to log into it
and you can do access management to control who has what 2fa / stored passwords to what
sand goblet
I had someone from China try to log into my MediaFire yesterday that I hadn't touched in years and years
So I changed my password
A max of 30 isn't bad, but..
gentle moss
buuuuuut.... there shouldn't be a max.
end of.
it's going to be interesting talking to a supplier again
haven't done that in maybe ~3 months
i like to put 'em on the spot during demos
keeps them on edge.
topaz aurora
gdi Windows updated when I wasn't looking
oak tangle
\*
rough sapphire
hmm it made me use \\
It made you do \\ for matching a *?
yeah
That doesn't sound right
hey Scott, did you see the meme I tagged you in a while ago
Probably not
https://regex101.com/ says \* matches *
it's regexp in sql syntax, so maybe something to do with that
¯_(ツ)_/¯
yeah that's it.. I see here for python \*' works
btw.. why do regexes differ
graceful basin
It may be \\*
solid pollen
\\* will match zero or more backslash
\* will match the * character
Well, that’s what the regex specs says
graceful basin
Yes, but in some languages, \* is essentially 1 character, so you need to escape the backslash
So that regex reads \*
rough sapphire
yeah, in python, you'd need to do \\*, because otherwise it would nuke the backslash before it reaches the regex engine
solid pollen
Or use a r-string
charred socket
Hmm i wonder what side project i should do for the summer
kinda wanna do something with graph algos
or machine learning
graceful basin
In py-general, there are some pinned messages with project ideas
oak tangle
@rough sapphire Are you using raw strings? Or a regular string literal?
It's typically advisable to use raw strings for your regex strings so that backslashes get passed on to the regex engine.
my_regex_pattern = r"\*"
well, he is using SQL
gentle moss
google authenticator isn't secure. two of the codes it just generated were palindromes.
rough sapphire
@gentle moss What's your private key? I'll check it out for you 👀
gentle moss
:D
i just remember reading this article by some shit journalist a while ago arguing it wasn't secure because it was generating codes like 111111
rough sapphire
lol
gentle moss
i get a little tickle now when i see a pattern in the numbers
and remember that fucking idiot
rough sapphire
I once got 867530