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gentle moss
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i think they made the Sean Connery beyond parody in that

plucky ridge
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"And in a daring move, Keanu Reeves has changed his name to Turd Fergison."

gentle moss
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i think my favourite SNL skit was the aliens one

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abduction or w/e

plucky ridge
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I mean there are some classics that are great

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Super Colon Blow

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Happy Fun Ball

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Then there are some that they made movies about

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And you just have to go "Why"

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And then there are some of the movies that just KILLED

gentle moss
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Blues Brothers 👌

plucky ridge
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Absolutely

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Bob and Doug McKenzie/ Strange Brew

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That one is a guilty pleasure of mine

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Trying to think of some other heavy hitters

gentle moss
plucky ridge
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"Pat" was certainly one of the ones that missed

gentle moss
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this one cracks me the fuck up

plucky ridge
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Is that the one where "What do you do to unwind?" "Oh I take pictures"

gentle moss
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nah, it's the one where ryan gosling and cecily have these really nice alien abduction experiences

plucky ridge
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Ohhh that's right

gentle moss
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"i was gentle laid down in a meadow of beautiful flowers."

plucky ridge
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Wait, was The Church Lady an SNL thing originally?

gentle moss
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"oh gee... i was dropped 12ft onto the roof of a Trader Joes with my coot coot and poop chute hanging out and my pants stuck in a pine tree. total porky piggin' it."

plucky ridge
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That's so magical

gentle moss
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she just plays it so well

plucky ridge
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God, the department of labor's latest bulletin has their head so far up Trump's ass...

gentle moss
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every department does at this point

plucky ridge
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Following President Donald J. Trump’s swift action to protect the American workforce from exposure to COVID-19...

gentle moss
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i bet even the ones who hate him are just like "better do it this is too important to get fired" or w/e

plucky ridge
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“President Trump has made the safety, security, and health of the American people his top priority.

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I mean these are just blatant lies

gentle moss
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hah

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yeah

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isn't the latest thing that anyone who gets this shit, with insurance, will not have to pay co-payments

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but will still have to pay the other lump or w/e

plucky ridge
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“From the beginning, this Administration has taken aggressive action in protecting the health and safety of the American workforce,” said Assistant Secretary for the Employment and Training Administration John Pallasch. “Clarifying the flexibility in which a person may be eligible for unemployment insurance benefits during the coronavirus outbreak will ease financial burdens for those workers affected by the virus.”

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I just can't handle this crap

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He literally encouraged people to go to work and shrug it off

gentle moss
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yerp

plucky ridge
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"PFFFF, it's not as bad as those sissy other countries are making it seem"

gentle moss
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and 27 million americans have no insurance

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one uninsured woman got a bill for like $35k for her treatment

plucky ridge
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"Land of the free to get squished under the thumb of the corporations"

rough sapphire
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it literally doesn't matter what trump says

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i've learned to ignore a long time ago what the guy says

plucky ridge
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I don't disagree, but you'd hope that the other departments would stop giving him lip service constantly when trying to address a crisis like this

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I dream big, what can I say

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Wait, is that the right term?

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Lip service?

rough sapphire
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I have no idea.

plucky ridge
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Too out of it

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Ah yeah

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Seems right

rough sapphire
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but it's not worth fighting a battle with the head of something when the real changes don't happen that way

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just smile and wave boys

plucky ridge
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"Verbal expression of agreement or allegiance, unsupported by real conviction or action; hypocritical respect"

gentle moss
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"real change"

rough sapphire
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yeah why not

gentle moss
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i mean, as a president he's changed shit

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and some of it is pretty real

plucky ridge
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True

rough sapphire
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he definitely has but even if you disagree with him

plucky ridge
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He got rid of the constant check for the Y2K bug

rough sapphire
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he'll still do whatever the fuck he wants

plucky ridge
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So I'll give him credit for that bit

gentle moss
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oh sure, but that's no reason to not be concerned with the idiot

rough sapphire
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the guy should be shot.

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and i don't say that lightly.

plucky ridge
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You should

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Pence would be much scarier

rough sapphire
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trump is the worst of the worst.

gentle moss
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apparently he attaches electrodes to your balls if you look at him anywhere below the neck line

plucky ridge
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But he's an undirected force

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Pence would but much more efficent

gentle moss
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Mike Pence knows what he's doing

plucky ridge
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Which is terrifying

gentle moss
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that's why he's scarier

plucky ridge
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Precisely

gentle moss
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pre-slicely

plucky ridge
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I can't type worth a damn today

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I'm having to correct something in everything I type

rough sapphire
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the united states is so crazy divided

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these people are not even having the same discussion

plucky ridge
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Yep

gentle moss
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yeaaaah boiii

plucky ridge
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And it's incredibly disheartening

gentle moss
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i suspect it's quite similar to the UK

plucky ridge
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Except we have guns

gentle moss
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it's not that people weren't divided this much before

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it's just now all come to the surface

rough sapphire
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the starting point for anything is that people should be agreeing or disagreeing in the same place at the same time

plucky ridge
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Much more vocal now

gentle moss
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exactly

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because they know they can voice their bullshit in this social environment

plucky ridge
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@rough sapphire You're not wrong

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It's a lot of people talking past each other

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Too much blind allegiance

rough sapphire
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:<

gentle moss
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and that's why i'd like to fire all the Tories into the sun

rough sapphire
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lol

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and that's why this won't get better if we keep firing off sentiments like that

undone berry
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Eat the rich. Start with Priti Patel

gentle moss
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pfft, i don't have blind allegiance

plucky ridge
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To be fair you did suggest popping a cap in Trump

rough sapphire
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okay i did

gentle moss
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i've flipped across like 3 left wing parties

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but the Tories are objectively absolute shits and should be shot into the sun

plucky ridge
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I try not to ally myself with anything

rough sapphire
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it was the first time i ever said it aloud and i've been thinking about it for like 2 years now or so

plucky ridge
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I may lean one way or another, but I won't sign up and wear anyones banner

gentle moss
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i've been thinking this for a good +5 years

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about trump at least

sand goblet
gentle moss
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the tory thing has been like a whole decade long hate binge

plucky ridge
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Oh wait

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God what was the comic

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Scub?

sand goblet
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Scub?

rough sapphire
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from perry bible fellowship?

plucky ridge
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Yeeessssss

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That's the one

rough sapphire
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it was something like that yeah

plucky ridge
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Found it

rough sapphire
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they have this random thing called "scub" or something where people just beat each other over it. it's just pure non-sense

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totally misread that

sand goblet
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lol

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that's great

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I like how you can buy the shirts

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haha

rough sapphire
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I'm pro-skub anyway

gentle moss
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fuck you skub is shit

sand goblet
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but at the same time you totally don't want to wear them because someone will think you're being racist or something

rough sapphire
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that's the worst thing you could say today bisk

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that'll be the end

undone berry
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Tbf. Groups that are against something tend to do better than those that are for something

gleaming hare
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help

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so uh

gentle moss
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regardless of stated goals charlie

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and facts

gleaming hare
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i have decided to install linux again

gentle moss
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perhaps they're not doing better though

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perhaps they're just louder

rough sapphire
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"the stated goal of the soviets is global communism" 😓

gleaming hare
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everything was going good and here i am trying to boot from usb

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it booted but like a minute after it gives me a black screen and the fans are going hyperspeed

plucky ridge
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#unix would be a better place to ask about it

gleaming hare
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ok

plucky ridge
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We are kind of in the middle of a conversation

gleaming hare
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ok

gentle moss
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you know what's annoying about having to do that bit @plucky ridge

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it breaks the conversation

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:D

plucky ridge
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Yes

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Yes it does

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Oh god that makes me think of some more of the glory kills in DOOM Eternal

gentle moss
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do they break the conversation?

plucky ridge
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Grab a demon's arm, break it so the bone sticks out then jab said sticky outy arm bone into their eye

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Like yes it's ultra violent but it's so absurd

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It's hard to be too mad or judgey about it

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It's not like some of the stuff where it just lingers on it

gentle moss
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the ones in 2016 were excellent

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so i can see them getting better

plucky ridge
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There were a couple that were kind of weak feeling in the 2016 one

sand goblet
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only in comparison

plucky ridge
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Like they didn't feel like they had the right oomph

sand goblet
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they felt pretty great at the time imo

plucky ridge
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No even at the time

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I think it was ripping off a Pinky's horn and swiping across its neck

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That one didn't feel very potent in the first

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I mean it's a moot complaint, the game played smooth as butter and was a blast

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But they made these new ones just so much tighter

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Like I actually had to pause the game so I could laugh on some of them

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It's literally like watching a gory Tom and Jerry cartoon

gentle moss
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the "realistic" cartoon violence is stunning

rough sapphire
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can we get more emojis here

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somehow

gentle moss
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i think we had this conversation a while ago that it'd be great to have some real world tom and jerry shit

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like WWE but with classic cartoon gags

plucky ridge
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Yesssssssss

rough sapphire
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there's all these funny thonking emojis with uwu faces etc

gentle moss
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the emojis are at the whims of the operators

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biskthink and bisksquintzoom are gone now

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replaced by lemons or something

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i'm not bitter

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he is.

plucky ridge
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But you have to admit, the lemon ones are great

sand goblet
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They are

gentle moss
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'e

plucky ridge
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And they were made by one of our staff

rough sapphire
plucky ridge
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I think bisk is slowly being eaten

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It's the only logical conclusion

gentle moss
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i was just observing that "they are." is a valid response to something

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but "they're." feels wrong

plucky ridge
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True enough

gentle moss
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mcdonald's is shutting up shop at 7pm today

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so brits decided now would be the perfect time to get a mcdonald's and cause traffic chaos

sand goblet
undone berry
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This is the first time a mcdonalds within driving distance hasn't been open

gentle moss
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what's driving distance?

undone berry
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~5 miles

gentle moss
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like, at what point do you say something's walking distance

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ah k

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my nearest one is ~20 miles away

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takes like 45 minutes to get there

undone berry
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I have a 24hr 2.6miles away, and a 7-11 one 1.4 miles away

gentle moss
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bastard

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that's fine. i still have my mcdonald's supplies

undone berry
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I'm pretty sad that there's no way for me to stock up on cheap shit burgers they sell

gentle moss
lime gazelle
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Is it wrong to call right wingers uneducated/the least educated?

gentle moss
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it's wrong to make broad generalisations

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ᵐᵒʳᵃˡˡʸ

lime gazelle
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I mean, the post I was replying to was making broad generalizations about leftists

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Also, pretending that right wingers aren't country bumpkins with outdated and racist views is just plain wrong. All of them? No. Most? Yes.

gentle moss
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pffft, that's way wrong

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lots of right wingers are incredibly rich and racist.

velvet rapids
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Hey

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I'm trying to make a chat server sort of thing with flask and sockets

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I'm just thinking about it

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if I run the flask thing it's going to run on something like 127.0.0.1:5000 or something

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So everytime I open that url/ip, won't it be the same client?

gentle moss
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what do you mean?

velvet rapids
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I don't know how exactly to explain this

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Basically, when I run a flask app, it says it's running on 127.0.0.1:5000, and when I open that in my browser, it shows me the site

gentle moss
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yup, that's the localhost instance

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you can define what IP's flask should listen to on run

velvet rapids
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With sockets, I just run multiple client.py and it creates a new client everytime

lime gazelle
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@gentle moss Yes, but the majority of voters are not rich. If only the rich voted for the right wingers, they wouldn't be in power.

gentle moss
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i think you might have to look into the structure of your app more

velvet rapids
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Can I do something like, the server.py hosts a flask site, and every time someone comes on the site, it creates a client.py instance?

gentle moss
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i don't see why that wouldn't be possible, but you'll need to have the whole thing running async

velvet rapids
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Hmm okay

gentle moss
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well what about the people who think they'll become rich @lime gazelle ?

lime gazelle
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@gentle moss Are they rich?

gentle moss
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nope, but one day the american dream will hit them and they'll elon musk emerald pockets out of poverty

lime gazelle
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Yeah

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I'll admit, we've never been better at bullshitting people

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Also I'm being called closed minded for calling out the core principles of right wingers. Whelp. Fuck me.

gentle moss
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that's how they get you

sand goblet
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that's how they get you

lime gazelle
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🤷‍♂️ maybe I should stop engaging

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I'll go draw pretty trees

sand goblet
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that's how trees get you

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How're you doing?

gentle moss
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The problem with saying "core values" of a major demographic in is that a lot of people in that demographic will say those aren't their values

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That's why I like my core values

sand goblet
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my core values are "no step on snek"

gentle moss
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ahhh

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i didn't realise you were a confederate loving redneck

sand goblet
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haha

rough sapphire
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core values are a very subjective thing. everyone has lived their own experience.

lime gazelle
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I agree

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But you can't deny right wing ideologies have three fundamental values to them:

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bigotry, racism and fuck people, make money

rough sapphire
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the closer someone holds a value, the more negatively they're going to react if questioned on it. just consider abortion and you see exactly what that means

lime gazelle
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@gentle moss Are you arguing with me?

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Because that's the exact thing the other person posted. Fuck.

gentle moss
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hah, no. i'm talking about g-dude

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"don't treat on me" with a snake flag is a southern USA thing for rednecks / people who think they should've won the civil war

lime gazelle
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Can I copy'n'paste the response here?

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Cause it's like, word for word what you said, just with a lot more bullshit

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(That's not their ideology at all)

gentle moss
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dm it to me instead

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dunno if we need that type of garbage in pydis

lime gazelle
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Agreed

rough sapphire
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everything being made political is so exhausting

lime gazelle
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Everything is political

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You can't have something without politics. Politics is everything that has to do with you.

rough sapphire
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a plant growing at the window doesn't care about politics

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a dog doesn't care about politics

lime gazelle
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A plant isn't human, and if it had a conscience would

rough sapphire
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not everything is political, stop making it that way

gentle moss
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"excuse me sir, that's not an approved plant for this neighbourhood. if you look at our handbook you'll quite clearly see the accepted list of plants"

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"do you have planning permission for that massive oak tree that blocks the sun coming into my garden?"

lime gazelle
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I'm not saying we should have a bloodbath for politics in pydis

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What I'm saying is, it's naive to ask for no politics. Because everything is political.

rough sapphire
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America isn't the world

lime gazelle
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I'm not from America

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neither is Bisk

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But US politics shapes world politics.

rough sapphire
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people are addicted to partisan politics nowadays

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pick a side and fuck you

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that's basically the mantra

gentle moss
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it irritates the fuck out of me too

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because i have valid reasons for my politican opinions that can be substantiated heavily with facts and statistics

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and now people just call me a lefty twat or w/e

rough sapphire
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there will be someone on the right with the same opinion as that, though

lime gazelle
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Well, if that makes you feel better, if they say that they likely don't have counter arguments

rough sapphire
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which is why this is annoying. it's endless

gentle moss
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not sure there's someone on the right with my entire opinion set

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because they'd probably not be a right winger

lime gazelle
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^

rough sapphire
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there will be someone backed up with facts interpreted a different way

gentle moss
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and i dislike being branded left / right

lime gazelle
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Facts can't be interpreted

gentle moss
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when i prefer evidence driven legislation and government politics rather than rhetoric or ideologically driven

lime gazelle
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Isn't the right winger motto "Facts don't care about your feelings"?

gentle moss
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yes, yes it is their motto

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but they feel about things lots

lime gazelle
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And they're the first to break it

gentle moss
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yeah but they FEEL it's right

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so they didn't break it

lime gazelle
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Is it wrong to say that right wingers are just fash lite?

gentle moss
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yeah, because you're generalising

rough sapphire
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you seem very angry Andrea

lime gazelle
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I am, and am not

gentle moss
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i would be but i've been doing this far too long to be mad about it anymore

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getting in a rage is just too much effort

lime gazelle
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Also is it generalizing if a high enough percentage of right wingers are literal neo nazis?

rough sapphire
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@gentle moss perpetual disappointment in the human condition

gentle moss
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i still hold hope for that little silver lining where at some point we snap the fuck out of it and go "oh shit yeah we could be doing way better than this"

lime gazelle
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If you have neo nazis in your political ideology, then there's something very wrong with it

rough sapphire
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sigh

gentle moss
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"right wing" isn't a political ideology

lime gazelle
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Wrong word 😦

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Political side? Idk how to say it

rough sapphire
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your statement is really flawed. it's being guilty by association.

lime gazelle
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It's almost as if supporting nazis makes you a nazi sympathizer..

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I'm not saying all right wingers are.

rough sapphire
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you're using it to pivot your own agenda

lime gazelle
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But right wingers in general seem very accepting of them

gentle moss
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Greg is a 48 year old accountant. Greg has a bit of money and wants to pay less tax. He also thinks the left might raise taxes and waste government money. Greg is a right winger.

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Toby is a 24 year old skinhead who stomps on ethnic minorities. Toby is a right winger.

lime gazelle
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I'd say greg is a centrist

rough sapphire
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why does it matter what group they fall into?

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so it's easier to hate them?

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because only your group is right?

gentle moss
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he can't be a centrist in a two party system

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it's not possible

lime gazelle
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Fuck two party system

gentle moss
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quite.

lime gazelle
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Take Italy as an example: right wingers are of a certain...kind.

graceful basin
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politics is not
nazis - centrist - lenin worshippers

lime gazelle
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You have the CEO right winger, and that's human garbage but not human trash

gentle moss
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UK has a multi-party system and even that's let down by how elections work

lime gazelle
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then you have the covert racists

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and then the open racists

gentle moss
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there is a whole load of middle ground people you're missing there

lime gazelle
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then you have literal neo nazis with casapound, forza nuova and FI

rough sapphire
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so, let's fuck the two party system, now the people you don't like have proportional representation. you can't escape the distasteful parts of society

lime gazelle
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Yeah, those are centrists

gentle moss
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you call them centrists

lime gazelle
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Shouldn't i?

gentle moss
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but if they believe in low taxation they'd have to vote right wing

lime gazelle
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Centrists here support lower taxation too

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they're like, neither meat nor fish

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lower taxes, but also UBI

rough sapphire
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or they vote right because Dave at work said so

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please

gentle moss
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left / centre / right, as neon says, are dumb

lime gazelle
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I mean, how else should we classify political ideologies?

rough sapphire
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classify if you want but stop stereotyping

lime gazelle
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I'm not

rough sapphire
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you absolutely are

lime gazelle
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Hm.

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Idk, maybe I'm wrong

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I feel a moral person wouldn't be like "oh yeah, this BoJo twat is absolutely right"

gentle moss
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i mean fuck, my mum identifies with and votes right wing

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despite being disabled and unemployed

rough sapphire
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I know plenty of good people that voted for Bojo

gentle moss
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because maybe when her mum dies she'll pay less on inheritance tax

rough sapphire
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I don't agree with them at all, but they did

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that doesn't stop them being decent people

lime gazelle
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How can you be decent and vote for a non decent person?

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Honest question.

rough sapphire
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there's your problem Andrea

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go and think about that point

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and about why it's so important for you

primal spruce
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so, no idea what's going on or the topic of the conversation so far

gentle moss
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self interest can outweigh someone's empathy

primal spruce
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but there's something called cognitive dissonance.

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humans are pretty good at that shiz

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that might be the answer to your question for many people Andrea.

lime gazelle
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I'm just trying to understand why people would subscribe to an ideology with clearly not good principles for just a handful that benefit them

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like, say, you vote for a racist twat because he makes you pay less taxes on TP, and you just happen to be a fan of TP

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How can you overlook the racist part of the equation?

rough sapphire
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because people are fickle. people are not you. people are influenced.

primal spruce
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no, not even that. even you can be fickle. just, you were able to connect the dots in this instance

rough sapphire
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your opinion won't even be the same in a few years as it is now

primal spruce
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and people prioritize different things.

lime gazelle
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I hope it will be in the general ballpark

primal spruce
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i think the evidence speaks to the contrary

lime gazelle
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wdym?

primal spruce
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hm, i dont think i should continue my line of thought

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i'll let it be.

lime gazelle
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That's not very nice 😦

primal spruce
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i'd happily continue it in dms, but not here.

lime gazelle
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Aight!

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Sorry for derailing the chat 😦

rough sapphire
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It's alright, let's draw a line under the politic stuff now

primal spruce
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in other news 😛

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running out of drinking water, hope that i get some tomorrow somehow. wish me luck!

rough sapphire
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why not use the tap

primal spruce
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where i live, tap water isn't fit for drinking

lime gazelle
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^

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Just get a depurator thingy

rough sapphire
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can you set fire to the water?

primal spruce
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we can boil water and stuff if it comes to it though, yes

rough sapphire
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@primal spruce what exactly is wrong with it?

primal spruce
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should hopefully be good enough

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uh, it's hard water basically

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wrong proportion of salts, bad kind

rough sapphire
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do those brita water filter things help?

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or do you have to hard core distill it?

primal spruce
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hm, not familiar with that name, once sec

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oh yeah, those would work just fine

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wish i had a water filter, we never had it. we get our supply from water bottles

rough sapphire
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used to use this exact model before they redid the pipes in the apartment building i lived, worked great

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@primal spruce just curious, do you live somewhere in the states?

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"non-drinkable tap water" sounds like it's not a thing in europe, but i might be wrong

primal spruce
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yeah im not from the states

rough sapphire
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First one to say ear

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gets to see a monkey growing a beard

gentle moss
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my water is crisp fresh and crystal clear

sand goblet
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Whiskey in the veins? Hear, hear

plucky ridge
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For myself I do not fear/ but for others, the end draws near

gentle moss
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i'm sorted

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got like... 5 days of supplies

plucky ridge
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I've got a need to nap

sand goblet
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I made diet muffins

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They're as mediocre as they sound

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They don't really taste of much and yet, I can't stop eating them

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Which is okay I guess since they have about the calories of air

vestal briar
#

The flower was cocaine

rough sapphire
#

the flower?

vestal briar
#

Flour?

wheat lynx
#

The flour was flower

vestal briar
#

Flower is the street name for black-market flour

primal spruce
#

and some said Flower had some special power

wheat lynx
#

something something something something tower

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I should become a poet

primal spruce
#

Or maybe some singer, spitting out lyrics for a duet

wheat lynx
#

Or a rapper, time for some freestyle rap.

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I like oranges

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D'oh

primal spruce
#

haha

#

people say nothing rhymes with orange, it's strange.

wheat lynx
#

purple is another one

gentle moss
#

doorhinge

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dorange

#

depends on your accent

primal spruce
#

haha

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hm, purple, like a skull? this ship has a hull. what's this range? orange? that's strange

sand goblet
#

you guys are free to try one of my sad muffins

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double chocolate muffins that don't taste like chocolate

gentle moss
wheat lynx
#

@sand goblet They look really nice. What's in them?

sand goblet
#

they're pretty trash

#

hang on, one second

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well that's not from the skinny food co site but it'll do

wheat lynx
#

Ah, they're from a packet. That explains why they look nice and taste bad

velvet rapids
#

Okay, how do I do this

#

Chat Application

  • Server.py

  • When people open link in browser, thats hosted in server.py, it creates a separate client instance for them, where they can message other people who are on the site

and can I do this with only sockets? Not socketIO?

rough sapphire
#

i don't see why you can't do this with flask's socketio, seeing as it has (optional) websockets support (ie "sockets in your browser")

velvet rapids
#

Hmm I'll check it out

thorn snow
#

If you use an in-memory database, you could also use a simple json endpoint

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Should be fast enough

#

have js query it all few seconds

#

only works for a low load, but it's fast and simple

velvet rapids
#

👍

rough sapphire
#

anyone here knows anything about photoshop?

undone berry
#

just ask. Don't ask to ask (thats pretty much always good advice when you're looking for help)

thorn snow
#

yes, it costs money

rough sapphire
#

(the black thing)

undone berry
#

I have no idea what you mean

rough sapphire
#

My drawing (the black thing) on left side is clearly more to the top

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in the export thing its in the center

undone berry
#

nope

#

They look the same height to me

rough sapphire
#

Dude

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Left side

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Im talking on the green thing

#

Im not talking about the preview

thorn snow
#

Does photoshop not have an align tool for the layers?

#

make the layer smaller than the canvas and align it left or right

undone berry
#

It looks to me like you're exporting a single shape

#

rather than a layer or something

rough sapphire
thorn snow
#

why though?

rough sapphire
undone berry
#

Clear all the other layers then export everything

rough sapphire
#

@thorn snow for my gui

undone berry
#

or make a new image or somethign

thorn snow
#

@rough sapphire Why don't you move the image when drawing it?

undone berry
#

(that answer only raises more questions)

thorn snow
#

But anyway, make the layer smaller than the canvas, align the layer and you should be good to go

#

that's how I'd do that in gimp

rough sapphire
#

How?

thorn snow
#

idk I've never used ps

undone berry
#

The way I'd try and do it in PS is by making a layer the size of the canvas, then flattening your shape layer down into the bigger layer - and then exporting the result

rough sapphire
#

then flattening your shape layer down into the bigger layer

#

how

#

?

undone berry
#

I don't remember exactly - selecting the two layers and then doing something like right click --> flatten

thorn snow
#

Flatten means merging the layers into one picture

rough sapphire
#

well I need the background transparent

thorn snow
#

so?

#

If layer and canvas have a transparent background, that will stay that way

rough sapphire
#

nvm I just moved it in gui

thorn snow
#

Here

#

I've flattened the layers, see right side

rough sapphire
thorn snow
#

still transparent

undone berry
#

I get the feeling you're doing layout which should be done in code with images instead

#

which isn't going to end well

#

but I could be wrong

thorn snow
#

yeah

lime gazelle
#

hangman?

thorn snow
#

next few weeks are going to be exciting, professionally

#

new data center is done, building-wise, now beginning to get the new network hardware in. Tomorrow the edge router, then switches etc.

#

lots of expensive kick-ass hardware 😄

undone berry
#

What/who is the data centre for?

thorn snow
#

The company I work for does everything, from colocation to cloud, hosting, root, dedicated etc

undone berry
#

I wish there was anywhere with affordable colo - but thats fair. Are you a big name?

#

or would you prefer not to say

thorn snow
#

yeah, I don't want to say

#

let's just say they are not small

undone berry
#

Do you need to be physically there?

thorn snow
#

yes

undone berry
#

Given that you have new hardware, I assume so

#

yeah - hm. Do you think that might get shut down?

thorn snow
#

I can't push the edge router into the rack remotely 😄

#

most of my department already does home office

lime gazelle
#

Yes you can! Use a drone GWgoaThinken

#

Just roll in with a drone or a lego Technic robot GWvictoriaMeguFace

rough sapphire
#

"Hey Steve, why is there a drone trying to use Richard's ID tag at the server room door?"

velvet rapids
# 
class MyHelpCommand(commands.HelpCommand(command_attrs={'aliases': ['h']})):
#

?help

#

oops

rough sapphire
#

@velvet rapids Did you need some help with something?

velvet rapids
#

Yeah

#

^^

#

Up

rough sapphire
#

What's commands?

velvet rapids
rough sapphire
velvet rapids
#

Aight

velvet rapids
#

My apostrophes(') become (&#39;)

#

Whats the quickest way to replace all characters that change form and become something like this?

#

As in, what decode should I use?

sinful copper
#

how exactly did they get that way in the first place

#

depending on the situation, you might want to use a full html parser, or the html.unescape function @velvet rapids

solid pollen
#

I really want to know who on earth working in Plasma decided that you could use ALT to drag windows around, and so disabling the use of ALT drag in all software? Because blender and ue4 makes a big use of the ALT drag, and I can’t use it, and I don’t like this one bit, I have to go down the settings hole

gentle moss
#

OS binding alt seems dumb

fallen sparrow
#

lol it can be annoying (I had to change multi cursor shortcut in vscode) but alt left click to resize a window is really handy, you don't have to put your mouse right in the corner

#

I mean alt-right click

frosty berry
#

it is, but you want to use another key for that, super/meta4 is a good candidate

fallen sparrow
#

true

#

well seems like you can change it in xfce at least

rough sapphire
#

Deepin is so underrated

wind karma
tulip palm
#

quite

#

:D

wheat lynx
#

Painfully bad

tulip palm
#

eh, i mean i could live with it. but i wouldn't choose to.

wind karma
#

I can't even load facebook

#

I am not sure why, but everyday from 12pm to 9pm I have this speed

#

Fucking corona

rough sapphire
#

the ping isn't horrible but

#

the bandwidth is disgusting

wind karma
#

Yup

sick kiln
#

hello

wind karma
#

At least coding doesnt need good internet connection

#

Just having one is enough

sick kiln
#

guys

#

i have a question

#

not really about python

#

but there are no servers i can ask this

#

basically im thinking of learning web development while learning python

#

which one should i go for

#

js first or html + css first

wind karma
#

well you will need python for backend anyways

#

So you might as well learn python too

sick kiln
#

no

#

i know python

#

i want to start learning a secondary language

#

while still learning python

rough sapphire
#

the CSS is just for styling. I would probably learn react.

sick kiln
#

no not like that

rough sapphire
#

I'm not sure can you learn javascript + react at the same time

wind karma
#

Webdev isnt exactly another language

sick kiln
#

i will either learn javascript aside python or learn html and css aside python

wind karma
#

It is a whole different concept

#

Learn all of these together

sick kiln
#

which one should i go for

#

hm

#

ok

wind karma
#

Like there is no point doing half of the work

sick kiln
#

yeah i guess so

#

html is hard tho

#

too many tags

#
  • completely different style of coding
wind karma
#

Not really

#

Html isnt coding

#

Its markup

sick kiln
#

yeah thats why i guess

#

never had experience in markup before

undone berry
#

You can reasonably do React+JS at the same time

#

Although you do already need HTML/CSS for getting started with React

sick kiln
#

i dont know whats react lol

#

oh

#

its a javascript module

undone berry
#

React is a framework for making web applications

wind karma
#

React is a framework

#

It is one of the best for web apps

rough sapphire
#

modern javascript works on some framework or another. there are many of them and choosing one can be a headache. ergo, recommending react

undone berry
#

React replaces the HTML side of things, and you generate/manage the DOM (the HTML elements as rendered in the browser) via Javascript instead

sick kiln
#

oh

undone berry
#

That way you can update the page without a refresh

sick kiln
#

thats cool

wind karma
#

It is complicated though, if you want to learn js first you could try vue

undone berry
#

You don't really need any framework to begin with

sick kiln
#

yeah

wind karma
#

if you were to use a framework, use vue

undone berry
#

It depends exactly what your goal is

sick kiln
#

i dont have a goal

#

lol

#

i just want to learn stuff

vestal briar
#

Any nicer way to do if (dev and package.is_dev) or (not dev and not package.is_dev)

#

So if user wants to remove development packages, it only works if the package is a development package

graceful basin
#

if both are bools, dev == package.is_dev

plucky ridge
#

Doesn't tell you which is which, though

vestal briar
#

I was thinking that but something doesn't seem right in it

#

hm

#

Guess that's right

#

Sounded too easy to be true :p

plucky ridge
#

And I guess it doesn't matter whether it's yes or no for both so long as they're equal

#

Okay, I see it now

vestal briar
#

That was a weird one to think about

plucky ridge
#

I blame the weather, my wife being pukey, and lack of caffeine in my brain

sick kiln
#

ok

#

turns out css is pretty cool

#

nice

plucky ridge
#

Yeah it's not overly complex

undone berry
#

You wont be saying that when you cant figure out how to move a button 5px to the left for 3 hours

plucky ridge
#

Just takes a little getting used to

#

You might also look into Sass

#

I think that's the common one....

undone berry
#

Is Sass that relevant any more? Variables was the main thing it added, and they're in CSS by default now

plucky ridge
#

I can never remember

undone berry
#

Sass and Less are the two big preprocessors - one is apparently better than the other, but I forget which way

plucky ridge
#

Sass is the one that's seen as better, that I do remember

#

I really should try to futz around with HTML/CSS and JS again...

#

God, there's too much I want to do/need to learn..

undone berry
#

With JS/HTML/CSS more than anything else with programming - I really get a sense of getting shit done

#

not even sure if its true

graceful basin
#

the new CSS is actually really nice if you are willing to forgo IE

plucky ridge
#

Trust me, I am

undone berry
#

I assume there's babel or something that can mostly package CSS up for IE

plucky ridge
#

I will forsake the SHIT out of it

#

@undone berry Well it's mainly because you can see your work so quickly

#

It's just there

undone berry
#

Yeah, definitely. I'm not saying im actually any more productive, just psychologically it feels that way

#

which is nice

plucky ridge
#

Sometimes we just need that

dense stratus
#

it was a feeling that writing plugins gave too

undone berry
#

Being able to go from a wireframe in draw.io to a semi functional mockup in an hour is pretty goddamn fun

plucky ridge
#

Plugins for which?

dense stratus
#

used to write crap for Adobe and it was nice to knock out a plugin and see it function in a few hours or a day, as opposed to working weeks or months on something without seeing an end

#

16 Bit thunked plugins for Adobe Acrobat reader 🙂

undone berry
#

oh god

#

that sounds miserable

dense stratus
#

an I dating myself?

#

we had to use the 1.5.2 version of MS QucikC because it was the last compiler that still handled 16 bit back then

undone berry
#

I don't know what any of that even means

#

I can get compiler, the rest is just words

dense stratus
#

But Adobe can rot in 4377 and skcid fo gab a tae!

#

Hehe doesn't matter much, those are days long passed. Back when Windows was still just a shell on top of Dos 3.3, 4 or 5

#

I don't know if I mentioned it before, but I have a certain visceral antipathy towards Adobe.

plucky ridge
#

You're not alone in that, I think

dense stratus
#

I worked for a company that was 17% owned by them.

#

We wrote stuff and got "special" techsupport.

undone berry
#

I hate Adobe

#

so much

#

everything I do that tangentially involves them

#

causes problem

dense stratus
#

They would never make technical changes for us, to make our products work, but we were always escalated to top level engineers.

plucky ridge
#

I mainly just hate that they dictate a standard (PDF) and then don't follow it precisely so that you have to buy their products.

dense stratus
#

We wrote the plugin that allowed fillable fields in PDF

plucky ridge
#

Oh kick ass

dense stratus
#

then sold $1million worth of it to Disney

plucky ridge
#

And for that we thank you

dense stratus
#

Adobe came in right behind us and said, "You don't need that, it is a free new feature of 3.0. Here have a copy!"

#

3 engineers 6 months right down the 54!773r

#

PDF standard is pretty open, the putty book has been around for ever... It is just a superset of postscript assembled upsidedown with the catalog at the bottom 🙂

#

Just seems like they did things a bit dirty.

#

You want fun with PDF. back when the WWW started getting off the ground, they were pushing people to use PDF instead of HTML... if it had worked out, you would have a nice closed web from which you would not be able to DOM or Scrape or even learn code from ...

#

every time I think of them I just want to spit

gentle moss
#

my fun with pdf was writing something that time/date stamped a shit load of PDF's from random sources and then printed them

#

i did not expect there to be so many ways a PDF can break

dense stratus
#

They break in lovely ways... I got to "repage" PDF's so that you could go to pages as they are marked. So if you had roman numeral pages and Chap pages and so forth, you could go to page iv if you wanted

#

one of the big contracts we worked on was for the DPS (defense printing service) because the government mandated that all manuals and such be available electronically.

gentle moss
#

fun fun fun

dense stratus
#

yep, well I have been long gone from them and that company as well.

#

that said... Source Code Pro is a pretty damn nice font 🙂

sand goblet
#

It's not bad, but I want ligatures

dense stratus
#

what are you coding in that uses ligatures?

sand goblet
#

Python

dense stratus
#

I kind of meant language not coding language... so what do you use Fira Code, Monoid, or Hasklig?

sand goblet
#

I'm using Fira Code at the moment

dense stratus
#

I don't think I even remember the keys to type any of them in, although when I use Emacs to do lisp typing in the word lambda changes into a :lambda: which is kind of cute, though I know not the same thing

#

odd.. not sure why that didn't render

sand goblet
#

Nah, that's not what I mean by ligatures

dense stratus
#

:lambda:

#

odd it renders in the entry line but when I hit enter it prints with ::

sand goblet
#

It's purely a display thing

dense stratus
#

I guess they can be prettier. I can see the attraction, but not really my thing.

sand goblet
#

That's fair, you're not alone in that sentiment

dense stratus
#

I am just happy to be able to tell the difference between 0, O as well as 1 and I and l and have the bigger , and . and things like that.. But ligs can be fun too

sand goblet
#

Yeah, most programming fonts have stuff for that as well

dense stratus
#

There is an Emacs thing that changes things like that in your source code probably using utf8 characters, the only one I see enabled are the :lambda: character for lambdas

sand goblet
#

are you on Discord from emacs? haha

#

I knew it had a browser, but dang

dense stratus
#

As often as I mistype/misspell it it is quite useful so when i see lamda instead of the greek letter I know I missed a letter

#

No, I am in a web browser (Chromium)

sand goblet
#

Ah okay

dense stratus
#

people do use Emacs for discord, but that is by using BitBee and IRC

sand goblet
#

Ah yeah

#

That breaks the ToS but I can see why they do it

dense stratus
#

I am still more of a Vim guy, but I like Emacs when I do Lisp

#

I have never seen discord accessed through IRC, but I assume it is all doable.

sand goblet
#

Bitlbee supports it, yeah

dense stratus
#

what TOS?

sand goblet
#

I used to use that for stuff like twitter and facebook messenger

#

Discord ToS

dense stratus
#

that you can't use IRC to access Discord?

sand goblet
#

no third party clients

dense stratus
#

I was not aware that IRC counted as a client. I just figured there was an interface for doing it

plucky ridge
#

You CAN however route the traffic through a bot

#

Although it's a messy process

#

I've only seen it in like 2 servers

#

I'm not sure if that's specifically against ToS or not

#

Since it does still go through their proper channels

sand goblet
#

It's against the ToS if you talk through the bot

#

which is stupid

plucky ridge
#

Ah, gotcha

sand goblet
#

the best way to do it is to use RPC

#

you still need to run the client but at least you can make use of it from another tool

plucky ridge
#

RPC?

dense stratus
plucky ridge
#

Racoons, Pandas and Chipmunks?

sand goblet
#

yeah, the Discord client exposes a local websocket which acts very similarly to the real gateway

#

remote procedure call

#

you can use it to control your client

plucky ridge
#

I like mine better

dense stratus
#

well I am not that heavy an Emacs user to even go through the trouble.

sand goblet
#

if you've ever installed, eg, the logitech gaming software, discord is like "Hey, this thing wants to use your Discord client"

#

that's RPC

plucky ridge
#

I really wish they'd allow either third party clients or give some wiggle room for client modification

sand goblet
#

me too

dense stratus
#

Remote Procedure Calls?

sand goblet
#

mostly for accessibility

plucky ridge
#

Exactly

dense stratus
#

Remote Process Communication

plucky ridge
#

Or shit, just let me change the theme

#

I don't get why it's so locked down

sand goblet
#

I've lost count of the number of people looking for accessibility options that end up using client mods

plucky ridge
#

MSN messenger wasn't this locked down

sand goblet
#

Oh man, yeah, remember MSN Plus?

#

that was really something

plucky ridge
#

Was that the browser one?

dense stratus
sand goblet
#

No no, the MSN Messenger app supported plugins

#

which is something almost nobody knew

#

but these guys did

plucky ridge
#

Oh no, that passed me by

sand goblet
#

so you could install it and do stuff like send sound bites to people

dense stratus
#

I used to love messenger

plucky ridge
#

That was long before I really did overly computer techy stuff

#

I was just a user

gentle moss
#

msn plus was pretty nifty

sand goblet
#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_Plus!

Messenger Plus!

Messenger Plus! (formerly known as Messenger Plus! Live, commonly abbreviated MsgPlus, Plus!, or incorrectly as MSN Plus) is an add-on for Windows Live Messenger and Skype. The software provides additional functionality to Microsoft's Instant messaging client, Windows Live Mes...

plucky ridge
#

I used Trillian for a long time

sand goblet
#

last release was only 6 years ago

#

interesting

plucky ridge
#

Since I had multiple accounts across multiple platforms

dense stratus
#

Oh wow I remmber trillian, and what was the one with the flower

plucky ridge
#

ICQ

sand goblet
#

yeah ICQ

#

never used that one

plucky ridge
#

Wow

#

That was labored

dense stratus
#

yes.. I think I actually had a 6 digit id on that one

plucky ridge
#

You did

gentle moss
#

trillian was great for getting ICQ, MSN and some of the XMPP servers i was on

dense stratus
#

No, wait... I had a 3 character email id on Earthlink

plucky ridge
#

Everyone was identified by digits, which meant there were no username/display name conflicts

sand goblet
#

hey, fun fact

#

you know MQTT?

plucky ridge
#

ICQ was ahead of its time on that

gentle moss
#

6 digit is pretty damn low for a digit count though

sand goblet
#

the thing designed for local device communication?

plucky ridge
#

It may have been more

sand goblet
#

for like IoT devices

plucky ridge
#

But you get the point

gentle moss
#

no i mean the length was when you signed up

plucky ridge
#

I never used it, that was more my brother

sand goblet
#

it's like a light messaging protocol for devices

plucky ridge
#

Ah I gotcha

sand goblet
#

well it turns out Facebook for some reason uses it for Messenger

#

and nobody can figure out why

plucky ridge
#

MQTT?

sand goblet
#

yeah

#

it's the carrier protocol for everything you do on Messenger

gentle moss
#

i thought fb messenger was xmpp

sand goblet
#

it used to be

gentle moss
#

oooh

#

interesting

dense stratus
#

I was signed up early to mid 1990's

gentle moss
#

is that why it's shit now?

sand goblet
#

I mean, probably

plucky ridge
#

I was in my single digits back in the 90's

sand goblet
#

I think they did it to stop people writing bots

plucky ridge
#

Most of what I know I learned after or through my brother

sand goblet
#

although there are plenty of projects that still work on them

plucky ridge
#

It's so weird... feels like I'm not actually me when I think about it that way

dense stratus
#

I remember when the internet... wasn't the WWW

plucky ridge
#

I remember Orion

#

Vaguely at least

dense stratus
#

we used to use send or tell to "bounce the echoes" on twilight zone and that was the beginning of chat rooms

plucky ridge
#

I wish I was more able to participate in those days

dense stratus
#

you needed a thick skin

sand goblet
#

I remember getting dialup in London and playing whizzball on discovery kids because there was nothing else to do

plucky ridge
#

Well, I also needed to not be in elementary school

dense stratus
#

the answer to just about any technical question was RTFM

plucky ridge
#

True, I likely wouldn't have survived it

dense stratus
#

people are so handheld and spoonfed today it is hillarious how severe it used to be

plucky ridge
#

That is something. The programming community is so much more accessible now

#

You know, I'm fine with the so called "spoon feeding"

dense stratus
#

If you knew how to do something it meant you did a damn aweful lot of personal research,, and tried and failed lots of stuff before anyone would even consider helping

plucky ridge
#

If it means people get the leg up they need to get into it and start understanding it, I don't see an issue

#

Yeah I just can't get on board with that mentality

dense stratus
#

I am not saying it was better or worse just saying lots of people who program today would not have then

plucky ridge
#

Sure sure

#

I know I wouldn't have been able to

dense stratus
#

it still exists some places

plucky ridge
#

Like if I was my current age back then

#

But I can likely attribute that to the depression and not being able to handle stress like that

dense stratus
#

Remind me to tell you about Mr Lizard and dancing for pizza some day 🙂

#

I think it is great that help and information is so much easier to get at today. But I would still like to see certain people actually put in a little more effort finding some of the more obvious answers themselves before just posting their assignment and saying "I don't get it"

sand goblet
#

Oh hey

dense stratus
#

Hmm, there was just a code jam on the REPL.it discord. When the theme came out to Covid-19 I dropped out. I just want to focus a little less on it, and that seemed a bit much. Not sure if this would be "entertaining"

sand goblet
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I didn't play the game anyway, so I doubt I'll play this either

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but it's a nice new dynamic on it

dense stratus
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it is a bunch of quarantined people who are looking for an idea 🙂

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I do like that it donates but other than that, meh.

undone berry
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Yeah - its kinda interesting. I wonder if a better theme for a codejam type thing right now is covid-19 or anything-but-covid-19

rough sapphire
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Here goes uk

dense stratus
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I was disappointed especially after the one we did here went so craptastically for me, hoping to have something else for fun. But se la vie

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Even weirder was they said if you make fun of it, you automatically lose.

vestal briar
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Why does pypi have to be so messed up

dense stratus
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how messed up would you like it to be?

vestal briar
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If something was recently made 90% of the api spec is missing

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And theres no documentation for it

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            if len(resp_json["urls"]) == 0:
                raise ExceptionVersionError(
                    f"Package {self} has been created too recently for pypi to compute!"
                )```Have to do stuff like this
dense stratus
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is that PyPi's fault? sounds like a bad maintainer or developer

vestal briar
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It's pypis fault, all of this stuff is handled by pypi

dense stratus
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seems pretty ob if your response is empty you can't work with it, no?

vestal briar
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?

dense stratus
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You say that like PyPi is a person..

vestal briar
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That is what the English language is, yes

plucky ridge
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eh

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"The PyPi system"

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I'm still confused how it's to blame, though

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Like what are you trying to do that's causing the issue?

gentle moss
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i think he's trying to do something with a package that's been created too recently for PyPi to process his request.

plucky ridge
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Well did

gentle moss
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thank you, thank you.

vestal briar
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👏

plucky ridge
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Doesn't sound like a fault of PyPi, though

gentle moss
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it sounds like the package was created too recently and it can't compute

plucky ridge
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I'm guessing it updates the list in batches?

vestal briar
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After 10 mins it's now make the release hashes but not updated the shortcut to the latest release

plucky ridge
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Or something, who knows

gentle moss
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10 minutes?

dense stratus
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did you tweet at @rough sapphire on twitter?

gentle moss
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lol

vestal briar
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7

gentle moss
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wait a bit maybe

vestal briar
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This isn't my package fyi, just some random package I was using to stress-test my locking mechanism

dense stratus
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whos package is it?

vestal briar
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And there's 2 pypi edge cases that are pretty inexplicable

dense stratus
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or perhaps you should choose a different more mature package

vestal briar
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Whoevers that is

plucky ridge
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Could put in an issue ticket

vestal briar
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It's called testing @dense stratus

undone berry
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Eli Courtwright

vestal briar
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Recently updated

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So pypi decieded to delete half of the schema whilst it updated

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Rather than replacing, nice

dense stratus
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lawyers don't ask questions on the stand that they don't already know the answer to. I take a similar approach in testing.

plucky ridge
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Glitches happen

undone berry
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lawyers don't ask questions on the stand that they don't already know the answer to. Is that true?

vestal briar
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So many inconstancies with pypi though :(

undone berry
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That sounds like the opposite of true

vestal briar
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🤔

plucky ridge
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It's partially true

undone berry
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sounds like they only ask questions theyy can be fairly sure of

wooden silo
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@gusty raft It's definitely true.

undone berry
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ogod

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I didn't read it

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I read the opposite

plucky ridge
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You don't want to have sudden surprises in court

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Ah I gotcha

dense stratus
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Yeah, they are presenting a case, there is no reason to "discover" something new on the stand. That is for the movies

undone berry
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Yeah, my brain just ignored half the words

vestal briar
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Most they find before court but probably sometimes they ask questions they are faily confident in

undone berry
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not exactly operating at full capacity

plucky ridge
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"Yeah so your honor, I have NO idea what's going on, so I'm just going to be asking this bloke lots of questions. Bear with me"

wooden silo
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The only unknown is whether the subject of questioning will admit to the truth or not.

dense stratus
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or purger himself

vestal briar
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Ah what's that detective play called

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The one with gereld croft and mr berling

undone berry
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An Inspector Calls?

vestal briar
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Yeash

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The one where they all cheat on eachother

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We've watched that play 3 or 4 times and read the book 3 times

undone berry
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who is we?

vestal briar
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Our class

undone berry
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Are you doing it for GCSE?

vestal briar
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Yep

plucky ridge
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Just for kicks

dense stratus
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just trying to suggest don't test random cruft you have no control over. And if you have no published API then open the source, and have a look, and figure out what the existing code is doing. That's 90% of the work at most jobs in software

vestal briar
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Do you know what a glitch is

plucky ridge
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I know I've heard "cruft" from somewhere but I can't place it

sand goblet
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me, probably

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haha

plucky ridge
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Maybe

gentle moss
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cruft: when a bunch of dogs come together to do tricks

dense stratus
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it is a term that has been used in the computer industry since the MIT model rr club days 🙂

plucky ridge
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Do tricks or turn tricks

gentle moss
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depends how much you pay

plucky ridge
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Fair

vestal briar
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🤔

dense stratus
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruft

Cruft

Cruft is a jargon word for anything that is left over, redundant and getting in the way. It is used particularly for defective, superseded, useless, superfluous, or dysfunctional elements in computer software.

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I would normally use the term chazerai but I like a little yiddish :)\

plucky ridge
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Yiddish is fun

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So many satisfying words

gentle moss
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shite. i think i'd call it shite.

dense stratus
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If you can't say anything nice, say it in Yiddish!

vestal briar
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Bisks dictionary

plucky ridge
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chutzpa is one of my faves

sand goblet
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did you make that word up?

plucky ridge
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What, chutzpa?

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No

dense stratus
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I try not to swear here, at least not in plain text, or forwards or whatever

undone berry
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Its said differently, you've probably heard it said but not written down

dense stratus
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chutzpa is like cajones

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🙂

gentle moss
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hhhhhhhhutzpa

plucky ridge
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Moxie

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Gusto

dense stratus
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now wipe off your screen

sand goblet
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Ah

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okay

gentle moss
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:D

plucky ridge
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Okay, dumb question time

vestal briar
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Awh you köcsög

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<3

plucky ridge
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Do any of you have a good suggestable HTML/CSS guide/learning resource?

sand goblet
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what did you call me?

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cock sog?

gentle moss
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cocksock?

plucky ridge
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Wanting to shake the rust off

vestal briar
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Lol

undone berry
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w3schools

dense stratus
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W3c

undone berry
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is pretty good

sand goblet
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htmldog

plucky ridge
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Is it?

undone berry
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Yeah, it is

plucky ridge
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I always thought it was like

sand goblet
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it used to be trash

undone berry
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It apparently used to be terrible

plucky ridge
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Yeah

sand goblet
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they fixed most of the problems

dense stratus
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the standard works too 🙂

plucky ridge
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Okay, that works for me then

gentle moss
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it's all you need, really

sand goblet
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really what you want is MDN

gentle moss
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and it's not overly verbose

graceful basin
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tutor4u is quite nice if you want video, not sure how up to date though

plucky ridge
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I just remember all the previous crap it was