sign language isn't (mostly) artificial, @rough sapphire, and developed roughly the same way spoken languages did
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
gentle moss
i can tell you to fuck off with my hands
solid pollen
I was going to learn the sign language, but when I discovered it was only national, I gave up
plucky ridge
I feel like ASL's was developed rather than naturally made
plucky ridge
Back then we didn't have such luxuries like "sound" and "light"
rough sapphire
everything was gray-scale
plucky ridge
It was dark! And quiet! And all we had was a hoop and a stick and a dirt road! AND WE LIKED IT!
rough sapphire
when was colour invented anyways
rough sapphire
plucky ridge
Makes sense
gentle moss
that's when people stopped being black and white for sure
rough sapphire
dog I'm still white
plucky ridge
The archeologists spent a lot of time colorizing the hieroglyphs in Egypt
solid pollen
You need to do the latest update xx
rough sapphire
where can I grab the patch?
plucky ridge
From the sun
gentle moss
big job, but when you invent something new you've gotta go for ubiquity
rough sapphire
TAN
plucky ridge
I was thinking burn
rough sapphire
The sun is a deadly lazer
plucky ridge
Of course
gentle moss
it shines its lazery rays upon us
rough sapphire
radical
plucky ridge
Like when we invented dinosaurs and had to bury all those fake bones so we could dig them up later
rough sapphire
Not anymore there is a blanket
plucky ridge
Or as its better known: Operation Sandbox
autumn herald
When you reduce the 300 line quadruply nested SQL query into 4 queries of 5 lines with 1/10 of the objects 😤 👌 😤 😩
And non nested
rough sapphire
hey is there a place for help with a rapsberry pi
plucky ridge
Depends on the issue you're having?
Like if it's dealing with Raspbian or the like, #unix would likely be a good fit. Issues with the device itself, possibly #microcontrollers, and if it's just general Python assistance then any of the help channels would be sufficient.
rough sapphire
it seams i dont have power in my usb nor mini hdmi
autumn herald
Maybe your alimentation is not powerful enough ?
They give a cable when you buy it i believe that deliver the right amount
Does it start ?
plucky ridge
They give you a cable but not necessarily a power supply strong enough to run everything
You'll want to double check the required voltage/current for your model
rough sapphire
i got the powe supply that they advetised on the webside taht delivers 3a allso it worked a few days ago
plucky ridge
Entirely possible you got a defective unit as well. That does happen from time to time
It might be worth contacting either the seller or Raspberry's support
plucky ridge
What's for the Pi 4
I think the Pi 3a requires a lower voltage
Oh derp
No I misread what you said, apologies
Okay, are you using Raspbian? And did you load it with NOOBS
solid pollen
Yeah, 3.5A for a RPI 4, 3A for a rpi3 iirc
rough sapphire
yea Raspbian
plucky ridge
Because I've personally had some issues with audio not going over the HDMI on my Pi4 when it's booted into Raspbian, but in Lakka it works fine
So you might consider reinstalling Raspbian using Noobs but also getting another OS like Lakka just to see if it's a specific issue with Raspbian or the unit
plucky ridge
And you've swapped cables or adapters?
rough sapphire
wdm
rough sapphire
its the only one i have
plucky ridge
Or different mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter. Gotcha.
Then the easiest thing would be to dual boot your SD card
NOOBS makes it really easy
rough sapphire
but none of the usb ports are getting the leds from my keybord to ligh up
solid pollen
Does the LEDs on the rpi lights up?
plucky ridge
Actually I wonder
No wait nevermind
The dual boot solution would likely be the easiest way to check all this
It sucks, I know
plucky ridge
Did your SD card come with the operating system on it or did you have to load it onto it yourself?
rough sapphire
it came with it
sand goblet
My pi 3 came with one, but it was usb-c
plucky ridge
Yeah if you have one I can guide you through the process
I'm pretty sure the SD with the OS on it would have to be writable right?
I mean you wouldn't be able to use it otherwise
rough sapphire
ok got one
plucky ridge
Oh kickass. Okay, just a tick
rough sapphire
yea
plucky ridge
Okay so you'll go and snag the download from that page (either one, doesn't really matter)
You'll slap your little SD card into your computer, run the NOOBS program and tell it what card to write to and what operating systems you want
I think you can choose up to 3 to have at one time, depending on the size of the card you have
And honestly even if you only have one on there at a time, if it's just to make sure your unit works, that's not a huge deal
NOOBS makes it simple to swap between
plucky ridge
Do note that when you're downloading the operating systems it may take a little bit. They're usually a few gigs apiece
plucky ridge
Oh for the offline installer? Yeah. I think I went with the lite for some reason
I mean moot point, they both work
@solid pollen I just double checked, it's at least 3 amps for the Pi 4 and at least 2.5 amps for the Pi 3
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge ill mention you when its done
plucky ridge
Sounds good
rough sapphire
20m left it sais
rough sapphire
ye
solid pollen
Okay, I'm overpowering my rpi then haha
gentle moss
it's within tolerances i'd expect
plucky ridge
Yeah
gentle moss
i've definitely rammed 3amp through a regular pi2 and it's been fine
solid pollen
Gonna overclock it hehe
gentle moss
yeah, that's an option
however source amperage isn't going to have an impact on that
since it's stepped
solid pollen
Tbh, I'm too scared to overclock anything
plucky ridge
Any more most things will just shut down rather than let themselves fry, right?
What do you call a swashbuckler who is socially awkward?
solid pollen
And what if you fry the shutdown procedure?
plucky ridge
No as in the machine just kills the power
Like when a CPU is overheating how it'll just shut everything off
solid pollen
Hmm
gentle moss
thermal runaway controls
it'll start by underclocking and undervolting itself
which would cause massive slowdown / potential instability
then if it gets too hot it'll literally just switch the machine off
i have hit these limits before
solid pollen
I think my rpi is already hot enough haha
gentle moss
when my heavily overclocked E6300's fan died
i was like "why is my computer so slow right now?"
poked around the OS a bit
then looked at my temp monitor
+100c
gentle moss
i freaked out and yanked the power
plucky ridge
The answer to my joke: What do you call a socially awkward swashbuckler? Inappropirate
gentle moss
then i had to run it below stock speeds and voltage while waiting for a new CPU cooler to show up
plucky ridge
See that's when you get some dry ice
gentle moss
well in the winter i used to put it up on my window ledge and open the window
so it'd get that fresh cool cool winter air
extra like .3ghz
gentle moss
the worst thing i've done during overclocking is blow up a motherboard and a cpu
separate incidents
plucky ridge
@rough sapphire Cool, so there will be an INSTRUCTIONS-README.txt file that you'll want to look at
rough sapphire
k
plucky ridge
That should get you where you need to go and all that
rough sapphire
@plucky ridge
rough sapphire
no 16gig
plucky ridge
Hmm
rough sapphire
os?
tired osprey
i am around 99% there is probably a partition on this thing windows fails to understand
and thus it assume there is 30 mb on it
while in reality its the 16 gb
vapid bluff
you could try wiping it with diskpart first
that usually takes care of rogue partitions
undone berry
Spotify is at the point for me where its reccomendations are literally just worse than picking a song completely at random. I'm not that picky with music at all, and I have no idea how it manages to find the subset of music I actually dislike
cerulean blaze
speaking of spotify
frosty berry
Uh, usually when it picks something back i just skip and the next one is pretty good
cerulean blaze
can i have you try something with the radio system pls
can you find a song and go to its song radio?
undone berry
My Discover Weekly every week is like 80% dislikes, with 0/1 songs I actually like
undone berry
I figured it would have good enough AI to stop reccomending me the same thing every week
frosty berry
Do you tell it what you like, by liking it?
undone berry
Maybe theres not enough likes to direct it correctly
frosty berry
@cerulean blaze ok
autumn herald
Spotify puts me mostly what i like in my discover
Just sometimes it's annoying because it will push you a genre to death
frosty berry
I started doing playlists recently, and it's able to do good suggestions to complete them too
autumn herald
You listened to weeb shit once ? Take tvose horrible glitch hop and weeb songs for a month
frosty berry
But i mostly listen to electro and some jazz on spotify
@cerulean blaze what do i do next?
autumn herald
(Some i like but i don't want to hear only one genre for the week/month)
cerulean blaze
Does this make any sense
filter for the song you started the radio on
and check if its in there
cause i swear spotify is straight up bullying me at this point
autumn herald
Fully automated bullying
cerulean blaze
who approved of this change
frosty berry
@cerulean blaze nope, but others by same artist yes
cerulean blaze
are you in europe @frosty berry
frosty berry
Currently not, usually yes
cerulean blaze
cause ive asked us peeps and its the first song in their radio
undone berry
Works for me
cerulean blaze
are you in the US?
undone berry
Nope. UK
frosty berry
Rss @undone berry same version?
cerulean blaze
1.1.24.91.g4ca6d5eb (Microsoft Store version)
undone berry
1.1.24.91.g4ca6d5eb (Microsoft Store version)
frosty berry
I meant version of the song
undone berry
Oh
Pretty sure it was the same version
it was still favourited for me
and I only have the 1 version favourited
frosty berry
Ok
Curious
Actually i just did a few tests, starting from my likes/playlists and the song from the search was at the top of the radio
And the first test i did was with the song i was currently listening
So it makes some sense it was excluded
cerulean blaze
I've tried it with songs i didnt know
they still werent in the radio playlist
i'm telling you, someone at spotify is out to get me
frosty berry
Disconnect and try in free mode in a vpn? 😂
low shadow
what is name of this font
?
the default font of kali
if any of you has this font check its name in gnome-tweak-tool
open tweaks , goto font and check
ok
safe lagoon
that should just be the default gnome monospace font?
low shadow
And how to link my github account using git terminal
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
your first mistake was installing kali
DON'T INSTALL KALI
it is not meant to be installed
please
also are you the guy who attempted to install literally every package at once
we TOLD you it won't do any good and probably break your system
we literally told you
instead, you now waste the Kali contributers' time by filing a bug report about something when you deliberately broke your system
we warned you about apt bro
we told you dog!
@gentle moss please laugh with me
he tried to install all apt packages, broke his install, and filed a bug report to Kali
autumn herald
i told you about stairs
rough sapphire
@autumn herald glad you caught the reference
autumn herald
i had to regoogle the exact thing
solid pollen
Just.. stop
sand goblet
Everyone: "This will break your machine, don't do it"
Does it anyway, machine breaks
Machineyadev:
solid pollen
Your only way of fixing this is to run mv / /dev/nul (that’s a joke, don’t run it)
prisma yarrow
pro's : You where the chosen one, you where supposed to join them not destroy them
noob: brain(Not responding)
task manager (not responding)
sand goblet
I usually don't laugh at people for doing stuff like this but they had this explained and literally acknowledged and agreed with it
autumn herald
what is kali and what did he do?
gentle moss
wow
solid pollen
It is an everyone root distro
gentle moss
kali is a distro for "pen testing" that comes pre-bundled with a load of "hacker tools"
it's a toolbox, not a daily drive
and this doofus tried to install every single package from apt
sand goblet
It's actually designed to be run live directly on a machine you want to do digital forensics on, but a lot of kids think it's cool
rough sapphire
hacker mode enabled 😎
autumn herald
oh okay$
gentle moss
then made a stack overflow about how he's stuck at the grub menu
when his entire /boot/ had been deleted
"how 2 fix"
solid pollen
And we all anwsered him on his stack question ^^
autumn herald
he won't do it again
gentle moss
plus we'd literally repeatedly said not to do the thing he was about to do
and he did it anyway
hah, i doubt that
autumn herald
well he litterally can't now ?
solid pollen
.>
They still have shell access, I think they will probably brick it again
Some things never change
gentle moss
just asking random strangers for their apt-list and then turning it into an apt install shell script
on a distro that only runs at root
that's like ~70k lines
likely not read for malicious things
sand goblet
Tune in next week, to the next episode of Everyone is Stupid Except Me
gentle moss
👌
sand goblet
autumn herald
Today in Ember is bad at english
Condoning = Accepting
always mixed with condemn i guess
rough sapphire
that's a word people usually confuse
sand goblet
I should probably watch that anime if it's full of stuff like this
autumn herald
i think it's from cowboy bebop/champloo guy?
sand goblet
Oh right
solid pollen
I need to calculate the speed of all these points, help! 😄
My teacher is garbage, I don’t understand a word
And I’m eating a tic tac
What on earth is this notation? ||some random vector here||
So I can at least try to google it :/
rough sapphire
quick question.. on gitlab, if someone makes a merge request, is the approver the person who is supposed to Merge it?
or can they just comment LGTM and let them merge it themselves
I can go home if someone can answer this :v
sand goblet
they can't merge it themselves
usually you want two people to approve and whoever approves last merges it
rough sapphire
ahh ok
what does delete source branch mean
means their branch that they want to merge?
do I need to do that :<
I'm not used to gitlab yet...
sand goblet
it means it'll delete the branch they were working on after it's merged
you probably do want that if it's on the same repo
rough sapphire
when writing a dockerfile.. how do you reference the same filename so you don't rewrite it
like
sand goblet
env vars
rough sapphire
example?
FROM openjdk:11-jre-slim
WORKDIR /
COPY target/scala-2.13/xyz-0.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar xyz-0.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
RUN echo "127.0.0.1 localhost" >> /etc/hosts
CMD java -jar xyz-0.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar
like.. how would I do it here
sand goblet
well you probably should just copy it to xyz.jar in the COPY command
that'd be the correct way to solve the problem
sand goblet
yeah that changes nothing
COPY target/scala-2.13/xyz-0.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar xyz.jar
then just use xyz.jar everywhere
sand goblet
I'm telling you to use the same filename
so you only ever have to modify the COPY command, not the rest of the dockerfile
rough sapphire
ok then
rough sapphire
alternatively, set the name as a(n env) variable and use that
yeah.. I'll use ENV from now on
scala seems fun..
solid pollen
@xx#5555 you lost your nitro or my connection is just garbage?
Yeah it is garbage haha
sand goblet
:>
solid pollen
I though he had a booster role
sand goblet
He's got Patrons
gentle moss
3/4 through my lunch and it turns out half of the mash potato is only luke warm
fucking microwaves
up the radiation levels
balls be damned
rough sapphire
RIP balls
rough sapphire
@solid pollen I cancelled my Nitro, yeah
surprisingly, I kept my #5555 discriminator
autumn herald
quads wow
rough sapphire
it comes from haxxey, a name I used to go by
(also, I'm surprised you didn't mention the band the xx)
autumn herald
not far from haxxor i see
sand goblet
haxelnut
autumn herald
ah maybe i meant the xx but i thought of the other after
sand goblet
haha, is that really the origin?
rough sapphire
ayup
sand goblet
I suppose hazelnut does have a kind of feminine ring to it
autumn herald
ah yeah this one https://youtu.be/lFGnsdV-sR4
rough sapphire
:(
autumn herald
what's your type 😮
rough sapphire
hey man whatever floats your goat
sand goblet
gotta say, hax really had a convincing persona though
it was pretty impressive until pyropyro wrecked it
autumn herald
females on internet?
rough sapphire
rule 30
solid pollen
It is a pretty rare species
sand goblet
the pool is always closed?
rough sapphire
nah, "there are no girls on the internet"
rough sapphire
I found this really funny clip on fb, and I can't stop watching it
oak tangle
That's usually the best cure for memes that take over your brain; just repeat them until you're sick of them
Dawkins would be proud
oak tangle
Is he? I disagree
I've mostly seen him as a polite and very patient individual, although I've never met him personally
Given the barrage of nutcases he's been under, I think that's admirable
gentle moss
i mean that's true, if i was him i'd be an even bigger dick
plus his writing is really good
so perhaps being a dick can be forgviving
maybe aggressively confrontational is the correct words
rough sapphire
whos Dawkins
sand goblet
MC Richie D
rough sapphire
anyway.. I found this when I randomly searched Umbrella and Wuhan
I appreciate people need to research pathogens.. but it's so easy to trigger something like this when the facility is not in a remote area because you still need your staff to be able to access a normal life..
undone berry
Is there a built in way to reflect an image in windows?
nvm
got it - a rotation with photos was fine
autumn herald
@rough sapphire At Pasteur Institute Paris they lost some samples of smallpox iirc
given what i've encountered during my academic career, i'm not surprised ^^'
rough sapphire
my cousin was a microbiologist.. they had pathogens that could cause women to become infertile without them noticing.. and this was at a university lab with no security
sand goblet
that is not the revelation I was expecting
frosty berry
😬
sand goblet
Have you guys heard of scopolamine?
sand goblet
it's a drug refined from a tree-like plant that grows in the streets of some brazilian cities
extremely dangerous stuff
frosty berry
hm, i'm in brazil right now
sand goblet
inhaling a gram of this stuff is enough to kill a person
gentle moss
scolopamine is a common medicine
sand goblet
yes, it is
rough sapphire
how's the weather in brazil
sand goblet
some people refer to it as a mind control drug
because inhaling the exact "correct" amount opens your mind to suggestion
sand goblet
I hadn't heard anything about that, haha
I had heard of crims trying to use it that way though
frosty berry
the weather is not great 😦
gentle moss
it was used by secret police in some eastern block regions to get confessions etc
frosty berry
to be fair, we are very open to suggestion, it just takes method
sand goblet
True
rough sapphire
plant more trees
solid pollen
You escaped just before the tempest, so I think Brazil is still better haha
frosty berry
i paid 250€ earlier this year for a company to plant trees on my behalf
it supposedely compensate for my emissions for the year, including my plane trip to brazil
it's not enough but it's better than what i did in the past
gentle moss
you totally didn't compensate for anything
it just made you feel better
which is fine.
frosty berry
i said supposedly
gentle moss
:D
frosty berry
according to their computations
undone berry
Doing that is an obviously good thing, and you're doing a good thing. But planting trees isn't even a temporary solution to carbon, all it does is store carbon
and if we're still emitting it
then its a pretty rubbish band aid
gentle moss
which is why i've consigned myself to feel awful and be okay with that
especially about my very fuel hungry car
vroom vroom
undone berry
I don't want to say you're not doing enough. You're already doing more than most people, and more than I think any single person should do
but society needs to just stop emitting carbon
AND plant trees
gentle moss
i think this whole shifting of liability is a bit of a shit
undone berry
Yeah
gentle moss
corporations are clearly the worst offenders
undone berry
The Onus should 100% be on governments and business
frosty berry
i don't intend to stop there, though, i'll try to push my next company into making sure their energy comes from cleaner sources than currently, already talked to them about it before recruitement, as i know the country (netherlands) is kind of the worst in europe, and they have money, they could have influence.
undone berry
not people driving about
frosty berry
companies also follow incentives, they won't do things we don't force them to do
undone berry
(Although the current system of airlines can't carry on indefinitely)
gentle moss
the business park i work in has loads of solar
whole place pretty much runs on it
there's an entire room racked up with masses of batteries
come to think of it we're above that area of the building 
i hope it doesn't catch fire.
the incentive for the business park was to reduce costs and it worked massively
undone berry
They wanted to build an offshore sea farm in my hometown, but the god awful local council apparently shut it down because it would damage the view
old people are gonna kill the world
rough sapphire
For me, I try to buy local stuff instead of imported groceries, etc.. plant some trees every month
gentle moss
they actually get paid for a lot of juice they produce
i have no choice but to buy a lot of local produce
fucking all coop sells
at a vastly inflated price
boo.
frosty berry
buying local is not easy for everything, but yeah, it's a good way to reduce emissions as well
undone berry
I would 100% prefer to pay the government a big ole lump of money than have to think about things like paying to get trees planted
sand goblet
I think the idea of a coop in the UK and the idea of a coop in Ireland is a hilarious difference
in the UK it's just a store, over here it's a big warehouse-type store that sells things in bulk for cheap
frosty berry
when i see things that can be harvested in france, coming from the US or middle east in my groceries i'm always a bit sad
rough sapphire
there's a coop in the UK? where do I sign up.. I'll bring a pitchfork
oh.. not coup..
sand goblet
haha
frosty berry
just after the election? might be a bit early
sand goblet
not much of an election really
undone berry
The co-op also has funeral directors here
sand goblet
just old people voting to ruin the country again
undone berry
and I think some other random things
frosty berry
why don't young people vote?
undone berry
Because we're morons
sand goblet
I wonder that myself to be honest
I suspect they feel like it's a waste of time and their vote won't win
undone berry
Huge amounts of young people are completely oblivious to the basics of how the government here works
sand goblet
which is faulty logic, to be sure
frosty berry
i suspect they feel that because people have been telling it was no use for the last 30 years or so
sand goblet
yes
frosty berry
we do need educational content on that
sand goblet
over here we have CSPE
frosty berry
well we have some, but it's not shared enough i guess
undone berry
Another friend had 0 conception of what the different parties were
sand goblet
civic, social and political education
but the exam like
it asks you to identify polititians
but the course doesn't cover it
they just expect you to have learned it by watching the news
which nobody of that age does
frosty berry
i've stopped watching "real" news, i don't know who are half of my current government to be honest, they do sicken me a bit
undone berry
We have citizenship over here, which is meant to cover things like our political system, and it does do that (even covered EU elections). But theres no exam or incentive to listen
sand goblet
trying to avoid obviously biased media sources is becoming harder every day, to be honest
frosty berry
i guess you need a healthy mix of diverse bias to get some part of the truth
but that's quite the job
sand goblet
it sure is
and american propeganda these days is just nuts
land of the free my ass
undone berry
Honestly, you trust teachers to spend all day every day looking after kids; can't you just accept their biases are going to be part of their teaching
and let them do their best to mitigate it
obviously you're gonna have a lot of duds
but it seems better than the current setup where it just isn't taught
sand goblet
oh I'm talking about the media in general
undone berry
Sure, I was daydreaming about a separate point
frosty berry
"whoever told you that is your enemy"
undone berry
rather than replying (which is a dumb thing to do)
gentle moss
well
sand goblet
the shit going down in the US right now is legitamately funny, but also scary
gentle moss
be glad you're not in Ohio
rough sapphire
yeah, i've noticed the seriously propaganda and obnoxious "patriotism" as well
oh haiio
gentle moss
they recently passed a law that said religious students can't be negatively marked for religious justifications for answers
e.g. world is 6000 years old etc
sand goblet
the massive media bias against bernie really only tells you one thing you need to know
undone berry
the patriotism thing has been kicking since WW2
frosty berry
can they be "positively" marked?
gentle moss
sec
frosty berry
"this one is a true piece of work"
undone berry
I'd vote for Bernie, but he is a very flawed candidate
sand goblet
they're all flawed
frosty berry
yep
sand goblet
but at least he's honest
solid pollen
Who know what is going to happen after WW3
sand goblet
warren is awful
undone berry
Not as sure about Warren
frosty berry
wat
sand goblet
she literally lied about being a native american for years in order to get pity points
undone berry
Bernie's anti-nuclear stance is incredibly damning from my perspective
sand goblet
she was declared the first native american professor at a university she was working at
and she's not
she's white af
frosty berry
oh yeah that little thing that was blown out of proportions
sand goblet
how is that a little thing
frosty berry
really that should we what we are concerned about
gentle moss
Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student’s work.
sand goblet
more recently she's been trying to paint bernie as some kind of woman hater, as well
frosty berry
she thinks part of her family is native, can happen
gentle moss
i suppose that the headlines blew it out of proportion
frosty berry
it could be true and a dna test couldn't disprove it anyway, as transmissions of gene is pretty much random
gentle moss
perhaps it means excessively penalized for saying the earth is 6000 years old
gentle moss
but it does seem to suggest that you wont be negatively marked if you say the earth is 6000 years old
frosty berry
really, imho that's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, she's competent and she has been fighting the good fight for decades, from what i see
sand goblet
either way, "look at my race/gender" is a terrible political proposal haha
frosty berry
i don't think that's her political proposal
frosty berry
it's just still hard to ignore in this day and age, and we all wish it was, but it's not, that minorities exists, and oppression exists
sand goblet
it sure does
but I don't care what your identity or minority is if your policy doesn't look good
or if you don't look honest
frosty berry
sure
there are a few woman and has been a few black people around trump and in his government
they don't become good from being either of these things
sand goblet
that doesn't make them not worth having around either, the perspective can be useful
but that would be missing the point
frosty berry
but there is bad and real bad, and warren is not real bad, she is much better than clinton was, and i really hate that there is such division between partisans of bernie and warren
sand goblet
I mean if you value the perspective of a woman or a racial minority, that's fine, as long as they're also a good politician
ah, well, no, see there's the problem
do you remember what happened in the 2016 elections?
frosty berry
they agree on almost everything, they should be able to vote for either candidate in a heartbit, whoever is choosen
i do exactly
rough sapphire
didn't she lie about having American Indian heritage to get into college and get a job
sand goblet
so then you'll recall that Bernie very loudly supported Warren and encouraged her to run for president
he was behind her 100%
rough sapphire
I think Tulsi gabbard would be a decent candidate.. no chance of her coming up though
frosty berry
some bernie supporter were brainwashed, not by bernie, but by, imho, propaganda, into prefering to vote for trump or not vote, because "she stole it from bernie"
i was for bernie, and the situation was aweful, but it would have been 1000x better to vote for her
undone berry
Is there any polling to support that?
sand goblet
but that was then
the problem is that warren is showing just how dishonest she is now
undone berry
That seems like the kind of thing that the media said happened, that probably didn't actually happen to much of an extent
sand goblet
I dunno if you've heard about it, but she's been casually accusing bernie of sexism
claiming that he stated to her in private that "a woman could never become president"
undone berry
Didn't CNN say that, not her?
frosty berry
i heard about that, didn't have the time to dive into what's true/false yet, so i'm just putting it aside, knowing it exists, but not knowing how to judge it
sand goblet
what happened was that CNN brought it up
frosty berry
i assume it's a small thing blown out of proportions again
sand goblet
they asked two questions
the first question was, Bernie, how do you respond to these accusations?
the second question was, Warren, how do you feel about Bernie saying a woman could never be president?
undone berry
Yeah, I heard the second part. But didn't realise it was based on anything else
sand goblet
of course Bernie denied it, which makes sense, since it goes against everything we know about Bernie
undone berry
I thought CNN just pulled it out of nowhere
frosty berry
yeah, they wanted blood, and people did bite
sand goblet
I'm not done
haha
After the debates, everyone present shakes hands
that's just what they do
sand goblet
Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand, and instead pressed him, on a mic which was hot
rough sapphire
facebook blocked that video
sand goblet
"I think you just called me a liar on live TV"
Bernie refused to engage her
which was the right thing to do I think
rough sapphire
well he has been in politics forever.. like biden and pelosi.. they know their way around a camera
sand goblet
I mean even so it was the right thing to do, haha
de-escalate and get on with your day, he was never going to get anywhere with a response
rough sapphire
takes a lot of strength and quick reasoning
sand goblet
not long after this
it became known that Hillary had started supporting Warren behind the scenes
undone berry
I recently read a thing arguing that the best response to fake news is to not directly address the fake news, just push what IS true harder - thats kinda the same thing
sand goblet
working with her on her campaign
frosty berry
i don't think there was any "right" move, any would be a political gamble, and they should really have been able to discuss it beforehand, as mutual understanding is pretty much impossible on live tv
sand goblet
so that was interesting news
and now Hillary has come out with this documentary
which has the complete schoolyard move of having a segment talking about how "nobody likes Bernie"
it's not released yet, but that was in the preview
Bernie responded to it when questioned by a journalist by saying "On a good way, my wife likes me"
haha
frosty berry
yeah, read about that, instead of publicly supporting warren, which would go against the DNC (which still supports biden), she attacked bernie
rough sapphire
day^
sand goblet
it just stinks, it all stinks
sand goblet
but my original point was about media bias, right?
rough sapphire
she also is being sued by Tulsi for defaming her
rough sapphire
I dont think any of them have a chance
sand goblet
the washington post putting out.. what was it, 12 articles slamming bernie in the space of 12 hours?
CNN and other networks manipulating their polling stats?
rough sapphire
WP is owned by Amazon..they have their own objective
sand goblet
yup, it is known
rough sapphire
Facebook "leaked" a video that showed Warren in a good light
frosty berry
it stinks because people give extra attention, it's like some one farted (hey it happens), and everyone tries to guess who, but there is a pit of cadavers in a pile on trash, with burning tires, on the other side of the room
sand goblet
CNN have been doing stuff like, putting the correct numbers on their polling graphs, but giving bernie a shorter bar and putting him lower on the list
or just placing him under "other" despite him having a much larger polling share
gentle moss
yerp
weird how a progressive candidate who is popular and threatens the status quo gets maligned by media organsiations that stand to lose if the candidate gets elected
oh shit that's the UK
my bad
¬_¬
frosty berry
i'm careful with bernie supporters (not bernie himself), because i'm pretty sure he's been weaponized last time by the troll bots
gentle moss
yeah, i'm aware.
frosty berry
so i'm extra cautious about the information they relay, need to double check things
sand goblet
Yeah, by all means
it's good to be careful
and hey, I can't vote, being outside the US - so I'm looking in from outside the glass dome
but there is a mounting pile of stuff, and some of it I've seen for myself
frosty berry
someone is trying to create a fight between the two camps, because it's the best way for the party to lose, and it can't happen
sand goblet
I mean the party already lost by picking biden as their primary candidate haha
can't help but feel that was intentional somehow
gentle moss
fucking 70 year old grandpa with incredibly regressive views
sand goblet
also he's been telling people to vote for trump haha
gentle moss
i can see why the democrats might field him
undone berry
Bernie is older
rough sapphire
not to mention he touches kids
gentle moss
because he's regressive as fuck
and might drag in the middle right
he totally held that baby wrong
WAAAAAAAAY wrong
sand goblet
nobody's said he touches kids in front of me until today haha
frosty berry
as a lot of "left" parties around the world, the DNC makes the error of going to the center, and biden is the natural candidate for that
undone berry
I agree that Biden is too old, but so is Sanders. I also really dislike that people (including me) refer to Sanders by his first name
hate it with BoJo as well
frosty berry
Sanders will always be 16 in his rage against the system 🙂
gentle moss
tbh being old isn't really the bad part
sand goblet
it's interesting how warren is adopting some of his policy points, though
undone berry
Interesting how? IMO it can only really be a good thing
gentle moss
however bernie is pretty on par with modern thinking
sand goblet
it's a little suspicious
undone berry
Howso?
sand goblet
warren was a HUGE opponent of universal healthcare until relatively recently
sand goblet
and now sanders' campaign leads with it, he's popular
and suddenly she also supports it
undone berry
Doesn't really matter, she won't be writing the legislation anyway
just pushing for it
gentle moss
but as president it'll be her duty to try and uphold those promises
frosty berry
She certainly didn't believe in it enough to push it
gentle moss
by pressuring the legislative branch into doing it
sand goblet
she's not really pushing it very heavily, yeah
frosty berry
Clinton got mauled in the 90s when she tried to reform health
sand goblet
just trying to get more support
frosty berry
as first lady
undone berry
Sure, but I think the legislative branch is capable of pushing for it, and Warren can hardly reject it
sand goblet
yeah but how do you know they will?
gentle moss
well, they didn't like Clinton as first lady because she tried to do stuff.
frosty berry
a woman doing politics, imagine that, touching the pile of money of health care? can't happen
gentle moss
"oh no the woman is trying to push a political agenda!!!!!!!!!!!11"
undone berry
I don't know they will. I'm just saying its not necessarily a bad thing that Warren is adopting the policies
rough sapphire
she stole plates and other stuff from the WH.. also was responsible for the crime bill which put a lot of black men in jail
sand goblet
it's not necessarily a good thing either
undone berry
I think its probably a good thing
gentle moss
tbh Tron, a lot of older Democratic people are responsible for awful laws
undone berry
How could it be a bad thing?
frosty berry
oh not going to defend clinton much, just giving possible context for warren being reluctant to push health reform
gentle moss
and that was Bill Clinton more than Hillary
at the end of the day it was backed by him, the democratic party and the republicans
rough sapphire
yeah Bill was in office.. but they made it together
gentle moss
they all were for it
undone berry
Older democrats are generally pretty evil, younger democrats are pretty big on identity politics
the party is just fucked
gentle moss
it didn't just magically appear in law because hillary said so
sand goblet
identity politics can take a hike, yeah
rough sapphire
yep.. totally non partisan.. but I believe she was involved
sand goblet
to be fair I wouldn't support biden either
but he's just too doddery and controvertial
frosty berry
the 90s where a weird time for the left, the 80s changed the game a lot, they had to be a lot more conservative on a lot of things
(not just in the US)
sand goblet
I don't think he is, really
solid pollen
(The colonel?)
undone berry
giving rise or likely to give rise to controversy or public disagreement. Biden is a middle of the road politician, Sanders is pushing for massive changes
sand goblet
a lot of the controversy around sanders is manufactured, though
undone berry
Howso?
frosty berry
Biden is controversial in character, not policy, i think
sand goblet
my dude
undone berry
I agree with that
gentle moss
unless you look at his historic voting record
frosty berry
haha
solid pollen
Haha
frosty berry
well, i'm of the opinion he is one to project a lot
sand goblet
I mean it's funny because the democrats were saying it as well
gentle moss
i mean biden voted against allowing homosexuals in the military
frosty berry
to the point of when he accuses someone of something, i wonder if he did it himself already, or if he plans to do it
gentle moss
don't ask don't tell was something he supported
rough sapphire
who's a russian plant
undone berry
Did Trump call Sanders a Russian Plant? If so, thats manufactured, but hurdur socialism bad isn't recently manufactured and is the main Sanders controversy
gentle moss
he voted to stop same sex marriage too
sand goblet
people from both sides have been calling sanders and gabbard russian backed/plants, yeah
rough sapphire
what sort of plant?
sand goblet
which is crazy talk from what I've seen
rough sapphire
I imagine Sanders being a succulent
sand goblet
haha, hax
frosty berry
The position of Biden where not controversial when he took them, i believe, they were mainstream politicaly
rough sapphire
I think Biden being a Chinese plant seems to be more controversial now.. China paid a lot to Hunter
frosty berry
some of them are controversial now
gentle moss
yeah, i just don't think he's changed that much tshirt
frosty berry
probably not
undone berry
I think Biden is just an averagely evil American politician
sand goblet
and actually we basically never hear about his policy
it's just stupid shit he's said and done
"I love kids, I love it when they sit on my lap"
frosty berry
but my point is that he is perceived by the DNC as the uncontroversial candidate for his career
not for his current position in the political spectrum
sand goblet
you think they're just trying to get elected? yeah, probably
frosty berry
oh yeah, he has a track record of gaffes
undone berry
You've got to make a distinction between what you hear, and what normal people here. The main channels most people get news from is real life social situations and TV news
gentle moss
i suspect they're viewing him as the candidate that republics will vote for
undone berry
Vs something like the Twittersphere which is completely separated from most people
as the UK election very much showed
sand goblet
is he even doing well in the polls?
sand goblet
hmm, okay
frosty berry
@gentle moss yeah, that's the common mistake of going center, you think you'll get some of the other side to vote for you
sand goblet
then again, hillary polled well too
frosty berry
and that all of your side will also vote for you
frosty berry
well, she did win by a wide margin
undone berry
I dunno. The UK election restored my faith in polling
frosty berry
just not in the way that matters
undone berry
and Hillary was never super up in the polls
sand goblet
yes but her wide margin was in specific areas that were extremely blue
I'm one of the few people that doesn't think the electoral college is stupid
but it's definitely abusable
frosty berry
it's outdated, and way worse than FPTP
undone berry
I think its outated and dumb at this point
but thankfully there is a bill underway to kill it off
sand goblet
and replace it with what?
frosty berry
is it likely to happen?
gentle moss
it's almost like the electoral college was designed to prevent normal people selecting their leader because they're too stupid to know what they're doing
undone berry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUX-frlNBJY Technically keep it in place, but all of the electors just vote with the popualr vote
gentle moss
founding fathers were asshole elitists
sand goblet
Yeah, the electors thing is the part I don't like
but I think splitting it up into regions isn't a bad idea
undone berry
I think it made sense back when there was no global communication
gentle moss
literally voting for the leader, not a party or congress
undone berry
but now
gentle moss
so it should just be popular vote
undone berry
it can fuck off
sand goblet
over here we have a system where you actually rate each candidate in order
gentle moss
AV
sand goblet
you give a 1 to your favourite, a 2 to the next one, etc
frosty berry
@sand goblet well, in this case you might have well have a confederation of countries, see how people like the EU 😛
frosty berry
they don't know they like it
sand goblet
and well, poland, I suppose
frosty berry
a lot of them think they hate it
sand goblet
yeah, that's true, it's a bit too good at not being obvious
gentle moss
Hungary
plucky ridge
Grab a Snickers
gentle moss
why did i see that coming
sand goblet
haha
frosty berry
i guess it's the same everywhere, but politicians here got well into the trick of blaming the EU on any unpopular reform
"we have to do it, it's the rule"
plucky ridge
It's just the surge of nationalism and finger pointing
sand goblet
Ireland's relationship with the EU is pretty good, you never see that happening here
plucky ridge
It'll die down in like.... probably 20, 30 years?
sand goblet
the only thing people bitch about is the fishing
sand goblet
which, I'm not really sure how to sit on that one
plucky ridge
Is it?
sand goblet
well I mean I can understand the points people are making
sand goblet
it's not a good reason to leave ,yeah
plucky ridge
Overfishing damaging the seas, thus having to restrict who can harvest what, which would affect an economy's bottom line...
sand goblet
is not the argument people are making
plucky ridge
And especially in modern times with more efficient fishing techniques
undone berry
but thats not what I meant by the fishing issues
sand goblet
that's not the argument, hem
undone berry
really
sand goblet
the argument is that other countries are fishing the UK/Irish waters out
plucky ridge
I assume it was because they were upset that they couldn't just keep fishing anyway
Gotcha
gentle moss
CAN'T LET THOSE EU MESS WITH OUT BRITISH FISH
sand goblet
because they're in the EU so they're required to share their waters
gentle moss
GOOD, OLD, BRITISH, FISH
undone berry
I can't describe how much I hate discussions of EU+Fish at this point
gentle moss
we export most of ours anyway
frosty berry
well, french fishers are really pissed off at the english ones to be honnest
sand goblet
it is pretty dumb
gentle moss
because we apparently don't like to eat fish
undone berry
🐟 🐟 🇪🇺 🐟 🐠 🇪🇺
frosty berry
so the accusation go both ways
plucky ridge
I mean I feel like this is easy to figure out
rough sapphire
i'm still upset the plural of fish isn't fesh
gentle moss
feesh
sand goblet
someone on australian masterchef pronounced it "fush"
undone berry
In the UK at least we blame problems on the EU, when the problem is that like 3 companie have 90% of the quota
sand goblet
still can't get over that
sand goblet
yeah, exactly, charlie
gentle moss
because people are thick
undone berry
Then you try to explain that to someone
gentle moss
and hate to read
sand goblet
a haddock?
plucky ridge
The French can harvest the fish that're wearing little berets, the English can have the ones wearing bowler hats
undone berry
yeah
sand goblet
that's kinda posh
gentle moss
that's an EU fish right there
sand goblet
we just get trouted here
gentle moss
haddock isn't that posh
rough sapphire
the french will eat the fish legs?
plucky ridge
The Irish can have the angry ones
gentle moss
it's just oily
undone berry
bah - freshwater fish
sand goblet
angry fish? why us? haha
undone berry
You need the briny sting to a good fishslap
frosty berry
we will absolutely eat the fish's legs
plucky ridge
Specific to you guys?
sand goblet
in rural areas they all wear farmers' caps
frosty berry
we don't wear a lot of beret hats on the other hands
plucky ridge
@frosty berry Well yeah, that's why fish don't have legs anymore
frosty berry
got that sorted out, don't thank us
plucky ridge
They're working on it
gentle moss
plucky ridge
If there are legs to be eaten, the French will be there to protect us
sand goblet
honestly I lost my faith in french foodies when I realised that there's a region that makes a meat pie with prunes in it
plucky ridge
Keeps you regular
frosty berry
i guess these guys are just too far, or don't taste good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdzQ9wEOElw
rough sapphire
@gentle moss reverse mermaid
gentle moss
half a sexy fish
sand goblet
galaxy mermaid
plucky ridge
Half sexy fish, half gross female?
sand goblet
"fucking bullshit, fucking bullshit.."
rough sapphire
the upper half being the sexy one, of course
plucky ridge
What, are we in Innsmouth?
plucky ridge
I'm so glad someone got that
sand goblet
haha
gentle moss
i've read most of lovecraft
plucky ridge
MAN he was a racist
gentle moss
so racist
undone berry
I think even without having read it, a lot of people get the Innsmouth reference
sand goblet
I knew this girl once
undone berry
He also lived a very sad and depressing life
plucky ridge
True
gentle moss
yeah
sand goblet
She was short and small, with the cutest british accent
undone berry
so its kinda hard to hate him
solid pollen
the french will eat the fish legs?
Legs?
plucky ridge
I mean product of the times, I guess
sand goblet
so unassuming haha
and then you borrow her ipod and it's like all death metal
good times
plucky ridge
Sweetie on the streets, cultist in the sheets?
undone berry
Lovecraft has had a pretty major influence on modern culture, but during his life he had 0 influence
gentle moss
he also tried to live in new york