#ot1-perplexing-regexing

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tired osprey
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Nah just like 1 km

vapid bluff
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im just trying to imagine at what point itll be still enough to take photos lol

tired osprey
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It's just going up around 1 km and considering what just purely insane ideas our hardware designer has I doubt my software will ever come to use

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But

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I'm basically writing lots and lots of drivers or extending already existing Oss ones

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So it's not waste at all

vapid bluff
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sounds fun

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and weird

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i wish id done more electronics when i was younger

tired osprey
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I don't bother with electronics, I'm horrible at it to be honest I just know how things work on digital levels

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And beyond that don't know don't care

vapid bluff
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so wait, back to the rocket πŸ˜›

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it has a parachute or something right?

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it just goes up 1km and then starts floating down?

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and thats when pics are taken?

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or are the cameras fast enough to do it during ascension?

tired osprey
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It's actually gonna shoot the two cansats out of itself and let each descend on its own (was eating) @vapid bluff

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To be honest the camera could probably be made to take images fast enough at ascension I'm not sure

vapid bluff
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ohhh ok i see

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btw i made some progress with the esp32 rebooting thing

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definitely seems to be a putty issue

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when i use the serial monitor in arduino ide i get no reboot at close

tired osprey
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well then you could probably hook up a logic analyzer up to it and find out wether putty sends some termination character when you close it

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assuming you have such a thing that is

rough sapphire
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logic analyzers are expensive feels

tired osprey
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thats why you have friends you can borrow them from

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also no i did not buy that fidget spinner it was in a box from the psf

solid pollen
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@tired osprey the question is, is it temporarily?

tired osprey
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I mean once I got the driver for the chip covered by probably too many cables there working Ill tear it down again

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a-also dont mind the black PCB thats another thing

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which just happens to be attached at the moment

rough sapphire
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we have a saleae at work, so I don't see a reason to buy one for myself

tired osprey
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I just bother people who have one until they give me

rough sapphire
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that black pcb seems to have an LTE module

tired osprey
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I can assure you it does not

rough sapphire
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what's the module

tired osprey
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the green thing you're seeing is probably the most shitty lora radio i have ever tried to control in my life

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here at home it always works perfectly

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and once I take this PCB, bring it to the guy who wants to do stuff with it everything breaks and it does nothing anymore

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I propose a list of horrible ICs to be put on github so people dont have to put up with this shit

vapid bluff
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lol i definitely do not have a logic analyzer

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nor know anyone who'd let me borrow one πŸ˜›

tired osprey
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well that is unfortunate

vapid bluff
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using realterm with these settings seems to work too

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but the entire progam is a pain to use

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there's no way to save settings...

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you have to manually create an ini file and look up individual param names

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fuck that noise

sterile shuttle
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anybody know where i can get a good data source about real estate?

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also how hard is it to scrape craigslist

undone berry
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' hard is it to scrape craigslist' Dont know if its againtst TOS - but not at all hard

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And it depends where for and whether you're willing to pay - my guess is that all of the good data sources are paid

sterile shuttle
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that's good to know and yeah i want to try to avoid paying if possible this is prob for a personal pet project

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it's the hardest to get your hands on data

undone berry
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Also it will depend where you want it for

sterile shuttle
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los angeles

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i want to be able to look at the real estate market and see if i can determine what i should look for when getting a house

undone berry
sterile shuttle
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oh have you built your own stock picker?

undone berry
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no not at all - it was a school project that just showed stock prices embedded in a web page

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like it was completely rubbish

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but the Quandl part was easy

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Although it was like 3 years ago now

sterile shuttle
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lol that reminds me of a hackathon i participated in

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we were trying to use nosql but we couldn't get it to run

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so we hard coded everything in and had the presenters follow a script

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like press this button and not that button

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or it'll completely explode

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we won 3rd i think

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lol

undone berry
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I feel like thats the nature of all hackathons - either something that is reasonably resillient but is like 1 button - or a feature complete seeming thing that falls apart if you touch it

sterile shuttle
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the feature complete ones usually win tho

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lol

undone berry
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Very true - a day of html and 15 minutes on the backend seems like a winning recipe

sterile shuttle
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yeah back end usually takes a seat to the front end

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it is what it is

bold pollen
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i'm so mad

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why is everything webhooks

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every time i look for help on this bot all i get is "use webhooks uwu"

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but i don't wannaaaa

jagged fog
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what

bold pollen
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still trying to make the bot get updates from tumblr

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when i try to look up stuff to help everyone always says use webhooks

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but. i really don't want to use webhooks.

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just kind of. venting my frustations thats all

tired osprey
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@bold pollen and what design pattern are you suggesting instead of webhooks?

bold pollen
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i honestly have no idea

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i'm just throwing everything into the code and seeing what works

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so far, nothing

vestal briar
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Warning: E129 may have an adverse effect on activity and attention in children

frosty berry
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Allura Red AC is a red azo dye that goes by several names, including FD&C Red 40. It is used as a food dye and has the E number E129.
It is usually supplied as its red sodium salt, but can also be used as the calcium and potassium salts. These salts are soluble in water. In s...

vestal briar
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See you on the other side I guess

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If I classify as a child

frosty berry
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So we found a one time maybe link. Not enough to be sure, and didn't find more in further studies

vestal briar
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"TOMATOS GIVE YOU CANCER"

frosty berry
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so this is one of these ”let's be reaaaaally careful” things there

vestal briar
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Sounds like one of those ones

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Yeah

frosty berry
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Don't smoke or drink if you don't want cancers, these two are the biggest, easiest to avoid, causes

vestal briar
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If it ever becomes a street drug for children

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I have a good name

sand goblet
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I was hyperactive as a kid, and triggered by artificial colours

frosty berry
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I believe you still might be hyperactive :p

sand goblet
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I wouldn't know how to tell, haha

vestal briar
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I'm fine with anything

frosty berry
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seeing how you sometime start a long thread of messages on a subject,

vestal briar
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Apart from skittles

sand goblet
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you mean the way I like

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type like this

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and make an entire thread of messages?

vestal briar
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That's how I type

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So it's fine

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1 point per message

frosty berry
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not just that, the sheer amount of text sometime

sand goblet
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I mean I do type really fast, haha

frosty berry
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It's more about content than format

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Anyway, not a problem, sometime it's fun to
watch

vestal briar
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Well I just ate half of that packet in < 10 mins

frosty berry
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Damn phone typing

sand goblet
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rainbow nerds are a gateway drug, I'm telling you

vestal briar
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And I just took em

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:)

frosty berry
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I'm used to this weird messageease keyboard, but it's not really fast to type with, i just like it doesn't get in the way with predictions

sand goblet
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Predictions are my bread and butter, I type like shit on mobile

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without predictions you probably wouldn't be able to understand me

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haha

vestal briar
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I always forget abotu em

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Just rely on autocorrect

sand goblet
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that's what I mean

frosty berry
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I hate it so much when the keyboard think i typed something else, that i prefer to type everything

vestal briar
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Do you mean the 3 predictied words at the top

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Or autocorrect?

sand goblet
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I mean I use both

frosty berry
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Autocorrect is worse, but both

vestal briar
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Autocorrect is something that does it's job ideally without you noticing

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Like a soundtrack in a movie

frosty berry
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When it's wrong. I hate it too much to appreciate when it does right

vestal briar
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Yeah

sand goblet
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I mean yeah there are problems

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but it's pretty good most of the time

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it'd take me far too long to type properly on mobile

frosty berry
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It's not too bad really, with a keyboard with big enough keys

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I just changed rmy conf a bit, i'll see if it helps

sand goblet
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initial results suggest no

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:>

frosty berry
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Hehe

sand goblet
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speaking of typing behaviour

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I finally unlearned a habit

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I think it must have been at least a month since I last used :P haha

frosty berry
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Aaaand it's gone :p

sand goblet
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pfft, that doesn't count

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the problem is I don't know if anyone that disliked it has noticed

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I mean I guess that number was mostly lemon and he's super busy, so

vestal briar
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I use them all

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Apart from xD

sand goblet
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I do use that rarely

vestal briar
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And apart from stuff you can only convey in emotes like " πŸ˜… ", I use characters

proper briar
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What is this channel for?

oak tangle
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It's one of the three off-topic channels for off-topic (non-Python) discussion

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The names of the three channels change everyday

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!off-topic has some info I believe

royal lakeBOT
vestal briar
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Really not true but alright

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Same thing

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Ok

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Why are you saying this?

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Sure

jagged fog
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If you're feeling depressed there are servers dedicated to that matter @rough sapphire

rough sapphire
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@rough sapphire Why are you deleting your posts?

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Don't do that

vestal briar
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I am confused

rough sapphire
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Makes it much harder to follow the conversation, as I have no idea what was said

vestal briar
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Where you trying motivation and then when someone got the wrong/right idea, you deleted it and said it was trolling?

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Mk

sand goblet
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So, fun fact about PHP

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In the early days, when there weren't so many functions, they were stored by hash in a bucket

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Their names were chosen in order to have nice hashes that fit in the bucket

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The problem is that the hashing function was strlen

vestal briar
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Ah I have heard about strlen

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Vaguely

sand goblet
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It's the main reason PHP is so inconsistent

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Because the functions were given names of specific lengths to fit into the bucket

vestal briar
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Wow

sand goblet
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Pretty amusing

frosty berry
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TIL

vestal briar
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this_function_simply_converts_a_bool_to_an_int()

frosty berry
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and i used some php back in the day an it was horrible

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but i though it was a different kind of incompetence

vestal briar
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But the more I learn about php

sand goblet
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It was a total design decision, yeah

vestal briar
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The more I think "what team could make something this horribly designed"

jagged fog
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he did try to apologize at the end of that article

sand goblet
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Yeah, haha, that's true

jagged fog
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or more "justify"

sand goblet
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But the names won't be fixed anyway, because back compat

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Not that PHP has never had breaking changes..

frosty berry
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i'm prone to pardon, but i'm not sure i can there

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unexpected success can be quite a burden though

sand goblet
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That's true

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Exception thrown without a stack frame

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empty() is just isset()-and-not-falsey

vestal briar
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Oh dear

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What happened here

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Is the widget just dead

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Or did the project stop

sand goblet
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Pear is a package manager isn't it

frosty berry
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i fixed a bug that only happened on windows (and not in CI) and now my coverage lost 0.1% 😦

vestal briar
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Looks like it

frosty berry
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it is

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it's probably completly obsolete though

sand goblet
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I remember there was some package manager a few years back

frosty berry
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i know it was used when i did php a decade ago

sand goblet
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Its package index was a single github repo

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I think github kicked them off in the end

vestal briar
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Oh dear

sand goblet
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It was a popular package manager

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Slowed github down considerably

vestal briar
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Do you know the name?

sand goblet
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Can't remember, no

swift phoenix
vestal briar
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Hm?

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Dear me

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Seems like a massive breach

frosty berry
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nice

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supply chain attacks are all the rage these days

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more pressure on open source maintainers, can't even accept help from random strangers anymore without wondering if they are sponsored by an adversary and just working their way into responsabilities

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😦

vestal briar
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Go npm

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:P

frosty berry
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npm, pip, everybody is at risk

vestal briar
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I wonder how easy it would be to do this

frosty berry
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too easy

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maintainers are overworked

vestal briar
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Make a semi-popular packahe

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Abandon it

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Make a fake maintainer account that the main one trusts

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Add new deps

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Tada

sand goblet
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That shit happens all the time on npm

vestal briar
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Yep

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What was that fictional article detailing how a dude done it

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Was a really cool read

frosty berry
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oh or yeah, make a stupid but remotely useful lib, promote it heavily on hacker news or whatever, wait for a few packages to adopt it, and when it makes its way into giganormeous deps trees of node projects, profit

vestal briar
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Yep

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All behind non-tracable accounts

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And you could add it to a big org you work for also

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For a little head-start

frosty berry
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plausible deniability is strong

vestal briar
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Yep

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The method is also field-tested

frosty berry
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even if people know about the problem, short of doing everything themselves, forgetting about libs for most things, it's almost impossible to avoid it

vestal briar
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Found it

frosty berry
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it's not a new problem either, "reflection on trusting trust" is maybe the oldest and most theorically devastating article on that issue, but it's gotten much easier to put in practice these days

vestal briar
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Yeah

frosty berry
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yeah, read that article back then

vestal briar
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0day a crucial but unknown website sneakily

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Add malware

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And be set for the rest of your life potentially

frosty berry
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reflection on trusting trust is great because it shows it's basically impossible to trust even your code, if you don't trust your compiler

vestal briar
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Yep

frosty berry
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and even if you trust the code of your compiler, you also compile it with a compiler

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so you have to go all the way to the first compiler that was used to build the first compiler source

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and this one was written in assembly

vestal briar
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Somewhere along the line

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Everything will just not work for 1 day

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Because someone put malware in that celebrates for their 100th birthday

wooden kindle
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Or we get hit by a solar flare

frosty berry
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it's great that we have two major open source C compilers these days though, at least we can cross compile and be pretty sure we eliminate planted bugs of this kind

vestal briar
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Very possible

wooden kindle
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If rust is compiled by rust is it safe?

vestal briar
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No

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Because you are really compiling a compiler to compile a compiler to compile a compilerr to compile a compiler etc

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So the first version's compiler has to be safe

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And then you are back at normal again

wooden kindle
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damn

vestal briar
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Basically don't trust anything

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There will be malicious code somewhere on your computer

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Even if it doesn't do anything harmful really

wooden kindle
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tbh the most harmful process on my computer is me

vestal briar
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Probably

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It's a miracle that computers even run at all

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Theres probably somewhere around a billion lines compiled for this to work

wooden kindle
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not paying attention and running sudo rm -rf /dev was not my finest moment

vestal briar
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All in hundreds of small projects with dependancies

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πŸ‘

wooden kindle
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Not to mention all the magic that happens at the hardware level

vestal briar
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Yep

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All the bios

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Imagine how big a tree would be that lists all projects and dependancies and subdependancies etc

frosty berry
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i like that ibm open sourced their processor architecture, it'll make it easier to have trustable processors maybe, as it should lower the entry point to produce and analyse them

vestal briar
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Run risc with an open source bios and linux

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That's probably the only way you could be 100% open source

frosty berry
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(Power architecture)

wooden kindle
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imo the future is going to be a lot more open source

vestal briar
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Or ibm

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Yeah, it's already happening

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Microsoft is making a push to open source to try to hold marketshare and rebrand themselves

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Linux is huge

frosty berry
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we'll see how that fare, while open source is everywhere in the infrastructure, most of the applications are closed source

vestal briar
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And there are only a handful of popular ides that are still closed-source

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If everything was open source, we'd have no reason to make the open source tech

frosty berry
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liberal licenses like MIT/BSD/Apache are certainly nice when you just want to share, but we should wonder what it enables

vestal briar
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It needs a balance

rough sapphire
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could've just said "licenses like".. no need to bring politics into it

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πŸ₯

vestal briar
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I dislike GPL/LGPL but in some cases it's the best to use

quasi sequoia
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both?

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GPL is what Microsoft called "virus"

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I thought LGPL was ok

vestal briar
quasi sequoia
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?

vestal briar
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They are licenses

quasi sequoia
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I know

vestal briar
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lpgl is more closed off then gpl

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And not viruses

quasi sequoia
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lgpl allows you to keep your changes private

vestal briar
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Not sure what that means

quasi sequoia
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gpl forces you to use gpl license for all modifications

vestal briar
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No

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GPL and LGPL are copyleft

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LGPL is just more strict

tulip palm
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GPL and LGPL are viral, not viruses.

quasi sequoia
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L in LGPL is for lesser

vestal briar
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Yes

quasi sequoia
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isnt lesser less strict?

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well yep juanita you are right

rough sapphire
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I prefer AGPL v3

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Same as GPL v3, but applies to SaaS

quasi sequoia
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Licenses are still sth confusing to me

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LGPL: If you modify the software, you still have to give back the source code, but you are allowed to link it with proprietary stuff without giving the source code to all of that back.

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with GPL you were forced to give the source code of all, right?

rough sapphire
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You have to give your source but you can link it with things that are proprietary

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Yes

quasi sequoia
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For now I just use unlicense...

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I am just learning

rough sapphire
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I learned a decent chunk from the GNU folks

quasi sequoia
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Stallman and cia?

rough sapphire
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What?

quasi sequoia
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who are GNU folks?

vestal briar
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It is a cia undercover operation

quasi sequoia
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oh cia is in spanish sorry T_T

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Stallman and co. *

rough sapphire
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@vestal briar Lolwut?

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GNU

GNU (listen) is an operating system and an extensive collection of computer software. GNU is composed wholly of free software, most of which is licensed under the GNU Project's own General Public License (GPL).
GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix!", chosen because...

quasi sequoia
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owez was just pointing to my mistake I think

vestal briar
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The cia has taken over all lines of code and has aliens working for it disguised as security workers

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!

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Gnu isn't technically any of that

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Just a definition for them

quasi sequoia
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Am I the only one that started hating recursive acronyms after everyone started using them?

vestal briar
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Not used much

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Wine and the old yaml definition spring to mind

quasi sequoia
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it is still used nowadays for people who want to be cool

vestal briar
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Bit they are the only 2 I can think of

quasi sequoia
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Bing Is Not Google

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lol

rough sapphire
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Owez an I are making our own system called BCOOL - BRUH, CHILL OUT OR ELSE - It's for ice machines.

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( We aren't actually, it's just for the joke )

quasi sequoia
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hey that is very explanatory of the product

vestal briar
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Imagine a boring corporate website but it has that name

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Like the full name is used on it sll

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No shortening

rough sapphire
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"BRUH, CHILL OUT OR ELSE" - would sound like a threat

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Like, woah corporate website whatchu trying to say to me πŸ‘€

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Speaking of websites, I was surfing about yesterday and stumbled upon one that said I was the BILLIONTH VISITOR and to CLAIM MY PRIZE NOW. I chuckled and realized I didn't install uBlock Origin on the new device yet.

vapid bluff
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lol

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i got a prize spam like that via google calendar today

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apparently it automatically adds any calendar data from gmail, including spam mail

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so i got a reminder on my phone to 'claim iphone x today'

tulip palm
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how on earth do you people encounter scammy ads like that?! i haven't used an adblocker for at least a couple of years and i don't think i've encountered one ad like that in the entire time

rough sapphire
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Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

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Unfortunate about the lack of an ad blocker though

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NoScript will block XSS for you too

tulip palm
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how is it unfortunate? ads don't bother me at all, i hardly notice them ever, except on youtube which i'm totally okay with.

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and i 2fa everything important

rough sapphire
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Waste of bandwith

tulip palm
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i have unlimited

rough sapphire
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Still, slows the connection. At the very least it boils down to your computer, your rules.

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I raised this quite a few years ago and came out of it with the owner of the website doesn't get to control what is/is not allowed on your computer. If I don't want ads, that's up to me. Trying to guilt trip someone with the "Please! We live off of ads!" is just scummy.

tulip palm
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if i didn't want ads i'd use an adblocker. but i don't mind them, so i don't use an adblocker.

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i think that's pretty reasonable if you ask me

rough sapphire
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I'd seen too many ad networks get compromised to not block ads. That, and it's just a smoother/cleaner experience with uBlock Origin/NoScript.

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Was a little worried there for a bit when things like Coinhive showed up

tulip palm
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i'm honestly not bothered by that sort of thing

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i have a very "don't care" attitude to most things, and while it may be worse in your opinion, it just means i don't worry about stuff. it's a lot less stressful and that sort of thing.

rough sapphire
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worse? It's certainly up to you, I'm just explaining my opinion. πŸ˜„

tulip palm
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haha, yeah that's fine :D

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i just feel like people care too much about this sort of thing. like, i totally understand caring a bit, but i don't really get why people go full tails+VPN, "just because". i feel like it's far more effort than it's worth at that extent

rough sapphire
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Oh sure, that makes sense.

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It boils down to actually making a proper threat model I think

tulip palm
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i mean, if tails and VPN is your rodeo then you do you, but i literally couldn't be fucked to do that sort of stuff for myself lmao

rough sapphire
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VPNs are certainly a lot easier than Tails

tulip palm
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sure. i wouldn't pay money for it though.

rough sapphire
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I can see the reason why some would, especially for $5/month.

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Region restrictions for services they're paying for

tulip palm
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that's a perfectly valid reason. but i'm in the UK, and i don't think i've ever encountered a website blocked here, so it's not relevant for me.

vestal briar
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I wonder how hard it would be to make a vpn service

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Just get some vps servers around the world

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Customise openvpn with a nice simple bootstrap admin panel

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Subscriptions

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And boom, vpn

quasi sequoia
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I wonder how hard would be to make a vpn service without having several goverments knocking your door

vestal briar
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That's the real question

lilac dew
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@vestal briar are u blue

vestal briar
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Yes, I am blue

lilac dew
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How can you do python

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Python is white

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And you are blue

vestal briar
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No it's not

lilac dew
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YES

vestal briar
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Python is blue and yellow

quasi sequoia
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Python is Ukrainian

lilac dew
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no

vestal briar
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See?

lilac dew
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Python is white like white thing

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@covert atlas is it u?

vestal briar
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And now it's just meme annoyance

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Tut

covert atlas
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what?

lilac dew
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Ho sorry and don t want to be meme

quasi sequoia
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don't ping random people

lilac dew
#

sorry @quasi sequoia

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I am yellow so...

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You know

vestal briar
#

You are white with some grayscale black blood

quasi sequoia
#

black and white are nice colours

lilac dew
#

I am yellow

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Stop

#

πŸŒͺπŸŒ‘πŸŒͺβ›…οΈπŸŒšπŸ”₯πŸŒ’πŸ”₯πŸŒ’πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸŒ‘πŸ”₯πŸŒ‘

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You know what

rough sapphire
#

@lilac dew You ok?

lilac dew
#

YOU ARE YELLOW LIKE ME

quasi sequoia
#

Offtopic doesn't mean memes, it means talking about things that are not python/programming related (but they usually are)

rough sapphire
#

o.o

robust sierra
#

offtopic != shitpost

rough sapphire
#

wait, really?

#

shit, i've been doing it wrong

sinful turtle
#

Wow

#

They're scheduling the queen's speech in the middle of October

#

Which will suspend parliament in the middle of the brexit debate, which makes it highly likely there will be a no deal brexit

rough sapphire
#

thought the queen was dead

#

wat

#

yeah she kicked the bucket

#

you're pulling my dick here

#

you're obsessed

#

tsk tsk

sand goblet
#

@sinful turtle this has been the plan for ages

rough sapphire
#

I watched a video not too long ago on what happens if/when the queen dies

#

the media already has everything planned out

#

ready to go at a moment's notice

#

identify yourselves

sand goblet
#

that's Nix

rough sapphire
#

oh, yeah

sand goblet
#

surprise surprise

#

I am at work

#

It's freezepop time

rough sapphire
#

is that where you make ice cream out of lemonade

sand goblet
#

haha

#

No, it's an artist

#

She looks like me, she looks just like me

#

they're one of the pioneers of electropop

#

I have no idea if it's your thing, I guess probably not

sand goblet
#

Get to work

#

Envelope sitting on desk

#

"Please put these photos on the display board"

#

USB contains 180 photos

#

no way jose..ph

robust sierra
#

hoseph

sand goblet
#

I can't type an accent via nomachine :<

tired osprey
#

So for some reason JaeRyoung Oh forked a fork of mine

#

I am confused

rough sapphire
#

he probably was, too

robust sierra
summer rampart
#

that's not a doorbell

#

that's a non-voluntary surveillance system

plucky ridge
#

I mean...

#

You bought it

#

That's pretty voluntary to me

#

It's not like they're going around installing them without your consent

robust sierra
#

i never bought it lol

vestal briar
#

Remember kids, 10 pencils, 5 pens and 26 NEST HELLO DOORBELLs

plucky ridge
#

Just line your locker with them

#

Every time you get your school books it's like some sort of Orwellian nightmare

robust sierra
#

we dont have lockers

rough sapphire
#

i thought school lockers were something that only existed in movies

sand goblet
#

we had them

#

they were 1/4 of the size though, they had like a stack of 4 where you'd see one american locker

#

I was not a fan

robust sierra
#

we have broken toilets, though

plucky ridge
#

Had lockers in middle school and high school in the US

wooden silo
#

We had lockers that were pretty similar to the american ones.

#

Like, 1.5m tall.

plucky ridge
#

Oh you had the fancy ones then

wooden silo
#

But that was 15-20 years ago now.

#

I'M OLD. Jesus.

plucky ridge
#

Being old comes with age

#

Wait

rough sapphire
#

growing old is mandatory, growing up isn't.

wooden silo
#

We had a group of kids who figured out that setting fire to the toilets resulted in school being cancelled on days with tests they weren't prepared for.

#

So there were a lot of toilet fires.

rough sapphire
#

which part of your toilets was flammable!?

wooden silo
#

I think they set fire to a piece of paper and dropped it in the trashcan.

robust sierra
#

cool

rough sapphire
#

we had kids hitting the fire alarms

robust sierra
#

where are you from?

rough sapphire
#

UK

wooden silo
#

iirc, they did do that initially, but then escalated to starting actual fires.

rough sapphire
#

What

vestal briar
#

[Record scratch]

sand goblet
#

Yup, that's me.

#

You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.

vestal briar
#

72 hours earlier

#

[Camera pans down from sky]

buoyant pendant
#

or is it an arbitrary point on the line going along E and C?

#

oh.

#

its what the Eye E is looking at...

sinful copper
#

@shy crag traditionally? part of the symbol font and other specialty math character sets... they're in the "miscellaneous technical" section of unicode

#

i'm not sure i understand the question

#

eh

#

you could argue that it goes to the very edge of the 'box'

#

not on my screen

#

anyway that seems more like a size thing

#

idk, these characters aren't really meant to be used in running text

#

i think there are tools you can use to find out what all fonts have the character on your system, if you wanted to investigate that

#

i think Cambria Math draws them pretty big relative to the normal characters

#

there's not really a standardized way to list all fonts with characters that go outside the bounding box, because it's pretty common in less dramatic ways (like the right hook of "f" extending a little to the right above the next character), and typically only specialty monospace fonts for terminals will have no characters like this

#

wordpad doesn't like it, it converts the bracket to segoe ui symbol

vestal briar
#

Are there any fonts that support all unicode

frosty berry
#

Unicode extends all the time, so it's a moving target

vestal briar
#

Yep

#

But what one comes closest

#

Ah

#

Noto and some adobe one

sand goblet
#

I use noto a lot

#

Great font

sinful copper
#

i remember the old version of Everson Mono

#

8-bit fonts with arbitrary 128-character blocks of unicode in the upper half

rough sapphire
#

@sinful copper default windows font does it

sinful copper
#

"default windows font" is meaningless, i'm on windows and haven't done anything special

#

I suspect that's Cambria Math, but I don't know why that's the default for him but not for me

rough sapphire
#

this is literally a default win10 LTSC install

#

with no additional programs, fonts or anything of the sorts

sinful copper
#

what browser

robust sierra
#

@sand goblet where would i find atlantis on the map?

sand goblet
#

East

robust sierra
#

nice

#

i have found my place on the map

#

ayy theres a village nearby

rough sapphire
#

Minecraft?

robust sierra
#

yes

rough sapphire
#

Cool

#

Any good trades

sand goblet
#

Yep, I run a server for the players here

#

Trades?

rough sapphire
#

He said he was near a village

sand goblet
#

Oh, village

#

You can make your own NPC houses on this server as part of Civs, so

rough sapphire
#

What host

robust sierra
#

im currently just looking at the map online

rough sapphire
#

Also what up sounds cool

sand goblet
rough sapphire
#

Yay I’m not below 13 I’m 14

#

Take that green note thingy

sand goblet
#

you'd have to be 13 to be on Discord anyway, so :>

rough sapphire
#

Well there’s always say your a thousand years old

#

Also I don’t see the ip

#

Prob my bad eyes

sand goblet
#

It's in there

#

:>

vestal briar
#

What is the best response code for when a user signs up twice

#

As in content is already there

quasi sequoia
#

LIke when the account already exists?

rough sapphire
#

406 seems best

#

or 409?

#

422?

#

The 422 Unprocessable Entity status code means the server understands the content type of the request entity (hence a 415 Unsupported Media Type status code is inappropriate), and the syntax of the request entity is correct (thus a 400 Bad Request status code is inappropriate) but was unable to process the contained instructions.

vestal briar
#

I just removed the need for unique usernames

#

No annoying handling

#

(I didn't use usernames as primary keys or anything, just forced unique=True)

quasi sequoia
#

Don't they have a public profile page?

vestal briar
#

?

quasi sequoia
#

your users

#

I have no idea what kind of website you are doing /shrugs

vestal briar
#

Ok

vestal briar
#

Flask

robust sierra
#

flask is a framework that you can use to build websites with python

#

for the backend

rough sapphire
#

website using basic python?

#

define

#

are you looking to provide just static webpages that have been predefined, or do you want to also include dynamic content? (such as logging in or so)

warm citrus
#

Theoretically you could do it in any language which is turing complete

quasi sequoia
#

minecraft?

#

mm cities skylines was also turing complete right?

warm citrus
#

Well if you can build a 4-bit adder then yes you should be able to build a server, if you are smart enough

sinful turtle
vestal briar
#

Only supports 2.7

sinful turtle
#

I meant how can I build it and use it as a command-line tool, since no instructions are provided and I've never used c++ before

#

I wasn't thinking about the python bindings

vestal briar
#

make

#

Once you clone it

#

It has a makefile

#

make untwister for cpp, make python for python bindings

sinful turtle
#

where would I do make? I'm guessing the command line but it isn't recognised as a command

vestal briar
#

What's your os?

sinful turtle
#

windows 10

vestal briar
#

Install mingw

sinful turtle
#

I've installed mingw and added it to path and it still isn't working

#

ok, I can do mingw32-make Untwister but it immediately throws a load of errors

lofty relic
#

accident

jagged fog
#

I'm afraid of Ela because everytime I see her in chat she's being strict sweatcat

rough sapphire
#

No reason to be of afraid of staff

#

Unless you're breaking rules, then be afraid, be very afraid

quasi sequoia
#

Scott scares me more, because he posts more, and I still don't get that spanish magician joke

rough sapphire
#

It's 'without a trace'

#

But tres is Spanish for 3

#

It's said the same way

quasi sequoia
#

oh so it was because I suck at English

rough sapphire
#

Sure, I suppose

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

jagged fog
#

I keep thinkink how she's gonna get me even tho I did nothing wrong. It's like intimidation auora sweatcat

quasi sequoia
#

no thumb? 😦

rough sapphire
#

It's magic

#

oh oh oh it's magic

#

you knoooowwww

#

Come on, that was good

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

zinc sail
#

ELA is a dude

rough sapphire
whole walrus
#

@rough sapphire Come here and ask your question again x)

rough sapphire
#

So like

#

My new dictionary

#

Will only contain words that are the same length as my Startword right ?

#

So I'm going to loop through the current dictionary

#

And then add the words that are the same length as the start word to the new dictionary

#

But I'm not sure if this is inefficient

#

Maybe it's more efficient to loop through the big one and just test to see if it's different length during bfs search ?

whole walrus
#

Maybe just handle exception is better ?

#

I mean do something like this is better no ( idk if it's possible in java, i assume it is ) :

rough sapphire
#

hmm not sure

#

probably ! i'll check

whole walrus
#
try :
    #code 
except IndexError :  
    #say there is an error, and DONT print the variable with the difference between the first and the second word
rough sapphire
#
public static String[] findPath(String[] dictionary, String startWord, String endWord) {

        if(startWord.length() != endWord.length()) {
            System.out.println("Please ensure both words are of the same length");
            System.exit(0);
        }

        int a = startWord.length();
        
        int count = 0;
        
        for(int i = 0; i<dictionary.length; i++){
            if(dictionary[i].length() == a){
                count++;
            }
        }

        String[] arr2 = new String[count];
        
        
        int count2 = 0;
        for(int i = 0; i< dictionary.length; i++)
            if(dictionary[i].length() == a){
                arr2[count2] = dictionary[i];
                count++;
            }
            






        return new String[0];
    }```
#

what i have so far

whole walrus
#

I don't know java, but it seems ok. I mean i can help u for algorithm but not for java stuff xD

rough sapphire
#

hahahaha no worries!

whole walrus
#

I mean, i don't think i would be able to make an hello world with java lol

rough sapphire
#

ahhaha yep1

#

yep!

rough sapphire
#

yo

#

alright so

#

this is my new graph to work on

#
COMPARTMENTALISATION
COUNTERREVOLUTIONARY
ELECTROCARDIOGRAPHIC
ELECTROENCEPHALOGRAM
INSTITUTIONALISATION
INTERNATIONALISATION
MAGNETOHYDRODYNAMICS
UNCHARACTERISTICALLY```
#

i need to figure out how to BFS this shit

golden walrus
#

I feel I should re learn basic algorithms and try something like that...

rough sapphire
#

do it then @golden walrus

#

try do that and show me your code πŸ˜‰

golden walrus
#

I have no time

#

too much college stuff, I'm not even studying CS or related

rough sapphire
#

Unless you made Patreon, no.

sour wasp
#

Anyone here good at designing discord servers? I need one made but I'm not great at it, please PM me if so

rough sapphire
#

discord servers need designing?

sand goblet
#

to a point

rough sapphire
#

ok... how out of touch am I? lol

sand goblet
#

I mean they're communities, you need rules, layout, staff..

sour wasp
#

So can anyone hell with that or what

sand goblet
#

maybe you should ask specific questions

rough sapphire
#

i realised why i've had the shits for the last two weeks

#

coffee + milk + lactose intolerance

tired osprey
#

that sounds highly unlikely if you ask me

rough sapphire
#

how do you mean

tired osprey
#

mainly ironically

rough sapphire
#

depends on the milk.. did you know there's two types?

#

hmm maybe that's misleading.. but not sure how to phrase it better

#

A2 milk generally refers to a variety of cow's milk that mostly lacks a form of Ξ²-casein proteins called A1, and instead has mostly the A2 form. Cow's milk like this was brought to market by The a2 Milk Company and is sold mostly in Australia, New Zealand, China, the United ...

tame terrace
#

milk in plastic jugs freaks me out.

oak tangle
#

We mostly have milk in carton packaging, but we do have plastic jugs for the larger quantities

#

Never buy those, though

quasi sequoia
#

At some point we had milk in bags

gentle moss
#

nearly all milk in the UK is in plastic bottles

#

but i think they're the recyclable plastic

#

no one puts it in recycling though i'm willing to bet

#

should do that model where there's a plastic bottle tax but you get a rebate for recycling

#

i see a lot of positives to that idea

tulip palm
#

hold on, people don't recycle them? that's wank.

undone berry
#

I feel like most people do recycle them

#

At least I do, and the ones at work also

sand goblet
#

we do

#

the local milk plant actually takes them back

#

they re-use them

undone berry
#

Even plastic ones?

sand goblet
#

yes

#

they clean and reuse them

undone berry
#

Thats pretty cool - I'd only heard of that being done with old style glass milk bottles

sand goblet
#

there's only so far they can go with that, but

undone berry
#

which IMO ought to make a comeback

sand goblet
#

agree

#

but they should replace the milk floats with a pneumatic tube system

#

so you wake up and go down to the kitchen and there's a litre of milk in your tube

undone berry
#

That seems like it could be feasible in like Singapore or Tokyo or some hugely densely populated city

sand goblet
#

Yeah, maybe

gentle moss
#

PNEUMATIC TUBES EVERYWHERE

#

i want this future

vestal briar
#

Individual cuts a pneumatic tube and floods 5 apartment buildings with milk

undone berry
#

well if its a pneumatic system then breaking the tube would lead to piles of milk bottles, not floods of milk

gentle moss
#

you'd need to use a plunger to force the bottles out

vestal briar
#

I was just thinking of a pipe of milk :P

gentle moss
#

what, like tap milk?

#

you'd have to chill the pipes

undone berry
#

The only possible way it could work is the roman style of constant flow

#

otherwise you'd go away for a week and have cheese taps

gentle moss
#

:D

vestal briar
#

Damn, you can't buy 8gb sd cards anymore

#

The cheapest is 32gb

#

Looking on amazon

gentle moss
#

flash isn't produced that small anymore

#

or if there are cards in that size

vestal briar
#

Yeah

gentle moss
#

they're probably bad batches

#

that have been fucked with in firmware or w/e

vestal briar
#

It's just weird because last year they where avalible

gentle moss
#

is micron still the largest producer of flash memory?

#

wow, way not

#

samsung got this market on lock

vestal briar
#

Tobishas fabs died for a month

#

Who is WDC and did they split from tobisha?

gentle moss
#

Western Digital

vestal briar
#

Ah

gentle moss
#

they were purchased by uhhh

vestal briar
#

How did they enter the market so fast

gentle moss
#

HGST

#

hitatchi

#

then hitatchi / WD

#

purchased SanDisk

#

hence the sudden entry into NAND

#

NAND / HDD manufacturing is a very limited market with a handful of players

#

to make it more confusing SanDisk weren't technically directly in the NAND market for ages

#

because they had a deal with Toshiba

sand goblet
#

That's an interesting marketing choice

#

I'd totally buy one though, that's a chocolate bar I'd eat

oak tangle
#

That depends entirely on the individual trying to learn it

#

And what they are trying to learn

frosty berry
#

hm, i guess it's easier to produce that way, but they should have mixed that a bit more

oak tangle
#

You may be able to find education in computer science in your native language in your country, but English does benefit you a lot

#

Since it opens up a lot of resources

tulip palm
#

@frosty berry i assume it just makes it easier to share with friends. "oh hey i don't like white chocolate, do you want it?"

frosty berry
#

yeah, but i mean, if your message was about a united society between people of different complexions, grouping them by color was not the best design choice

vestal briar
#

Maybe they where going for like a spectrum

#

Or maybe it was just advertising from a corprate gone wrong

#

All that I know is that it looks yummy

tulip palm
#

ohh that's what you mean by mix them up

frosty berry
#

yeah, wasn't sure how to best express that

#

shuffle i guess

vestal briar
#

I think it's fine

#

Shuffle would be too expensive to produce

rough sapphire
#

Franco columbu passed away today... so sad.. v.v

frosty berry
#

78 yo is not bad

#

people who pushes their bodies in such a way don't always live old

rough sapphire
#

yeah.. he had a good life..

#

didn't start out that way though.. Arnold and him used to work construction jobs when they trained for Mr. Olympia..

#

used to drink milk before going on stage for a competition..XD (they couldn't afford much else)

#

such an inspiration..

rough sapphire
#

@frosty berry @vestal briar In regards to the chocolate: It probably just boils down to the production like Owez said. It'd be a lot more complicated/expensive to shuffle the pieces.

vestal briar
#

Thinking of making a Discord Bot that can fully automate a server

#

No need for mods

#

Apart from like a 1-man appeal team

snow adder
#

so does it just ban you the first time you post anything?

vestal briar
#

No clue

rough sapphire
#

So, Discord meets Ansible?

shell blade
#

human integration is needed in moderation to understand context and colloquial terms and human understanding

rough sapphire
#

@shell blade ... What?

shell blade
#

you cant have a bot mooderate a server ffs

rough sapphire
#

human integration is needed in moderation to understand ... human understanding

shell blade
#

is that better?

rough sapphire
#

Ah, yeah that makes sense

#

beep boop

rough sapphire
#

lmao XD

#

I wish he was online to see this

#

The real name of the PokΓ©mon is GeoDude

#

It doesn’t make big difference

#

I would have just named it Breaking Bad Car Wash Owner

#

What’s his name again

#

Because THOSE EYEBROWS πŸ‘€

#

Bogdan?

#

Yeah, Bogdan

rough sapphire
rough sapphire
spare flume
#

Hello people. I do wonder about something and thought most efficient opinions would come from this discord group. When someone learns programming, how useful is it to add CAD knowledge on top of it as well as hardware knowledge?

#

Is CAD kind of unrelated to software development, therefore not a great bonus, or actually a decent knowledge that can make someone be a step further?

vestal briar
#

Not related to software

#

If you are doing embedded programming though, I think it could help out a lot

jagged fog
#

I don't see how CAD is related to coding.
Closes from that area would be CNC

merry mountain
#

Hello everyone.!

gentle moss
#

hi!

#

what's up?

merry mountain
#

Joined this server today..

gentle moss
#

welcome. :)

merry mountain
#

Thanks...

gentle moss
#

new to python?

merry mountain
#

yes... but not new in programming.... I know java(not advance java)..
and have developed a game too.
https://www.kongregate.com/games/AdityaChaudhary/ontheway

#

I am familiar with Stencyl game engine.

#

When I first saw a python code(which seemed to me as if it were very easier than java) then I though to learn about python..

vestal briar
#

Is stencyl jvm-based?

merry mountain
#

no... it is not..

#

but few concepts are like java...

vestal briar
#

So like processing?

merry mountain
#

can't understand your question"so like processing"

vestal briar
#

Is it like Processing

gentle moss
#

idk what he means either

vestal briar
gentle moss
#

to be honest i mean with a good understanding of any language adopting another probably isn't too difficult

#

and python is.... well, if i can do it a monkey probably could

vestal briar
#

Haxe is a high-level cross-platform multi-paradigm programming language and compiler that can produce applications and source code, for many different computing platforms, from one code-base. It is free and open-source software, distributed under the GNU General Public Licens...

merry mountain
#

@vestal briar stencyl is easier than processing.. Actually Stencyl only needs drag and drop code...

#

And Haxe is the language used by stencyl..

vestal briar
#

So it's scratch with an actual purpose

merry mountain
#

yeah

#

So I want a suggestion....
Which version of python should i choose
2 or 3?

tulip palm
#

3 for sure

gentle moss
#

do not touch 2.7

#

ever

#

unless you HAVE to

#

for legacy code

#

or w/e

tulip palm
#

which you won't soon

gentle moss
#

hahahahahahahahhhahahaha

#

ahahaha

#

ahahaha

#

ah

#

Redhat

tulip palm
#

thank you bisk

gentle moss
#

CentOS

merry mountain
#

and i think this book is fine for a beginner..

#

well, this book include both python 2 and 3 simultaneously..

jagged fog
#

3 and 3 and only 3

merry mountain
#

but i found few concepts of 2 close to java mechanism .. like.... 7/2=3

tulip palm
#

you have 7 // 2 == 3 in python 3

#

it's actually more consistent in python 3

#

// always provides an integer in python 3, whereas in python 2 / will only round down if both operands are integers, but otherwise it won't.

merry mountain
#

Okay fine.. I will chose python 3..
thanks for your suggestions... Hope you all will assist me in learning python.

#

and a personal request... don't forget to try my first game...
Feedback section is always open..
https://www.kongregate.com/games/AdityaChaudhary/ontheway

gentle moss
#

those books are excellent btw Adit

#

if it's okay to call you that

#

also "Automate the boring stuff" is good

#

but idk, might below your level of skill of programming in general?

frosty berry
#

yeah the 2 vs 3 question is very clear now, it was certainly a relevant question 2-3 years ago, but the ship is well at sea now, 2 is only for existing projects that are late in their migration

#

@merry mountain i try not to install flash on my machine, any other way i can play it?

rough sapphire
#

2 should be avoided like the plague

#

Considering it'll be EOL in... 4 months?

tulip palm
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3 months today

vestal briar
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Wow

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It's september

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Bloody fast year

tulip palm
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yes

jagged fog
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wow 2019 already

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it was 2015 just moments ago sweatcat

vestal briar
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In 2015 I still half-liked annoying orange

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Damn

vapid bluff
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wow you should never admit to that

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like one day if youre running for pm someone's gonna dig up these old discord messages

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and find that you half-liked annoying orange

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and thats it, thats the end of your campaign

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and career in politics

vestal briar
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If that's the end of my campaign, it must have been very unstable to begin with

jagged fog
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lmao

vestal briar
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I'm prout of this

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If it gets cut in half it can still fly

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v1 is more powerful with 4 rocket engines

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But v2 can fly 10x longer

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It works perfectly

jagged fog
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that shouldn't work

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it should flip and fall

vestal briar
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It does it you push it

jagged fog
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since air resistance would be too high on the torso

vestal briar
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But it has 8 sas modules on

tulip palm
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lmao

jagged fog
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idk kerbal

tulip palm
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sas > all

jagged fog
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do those rockets go forward or up

vestal briar
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Up

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You need to fly carefully like superman

jagged fog
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ah then it's fine

vestal briar
tulip palm
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i remember i made a flyable basketball that could almost get into orbit

vestal briar
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Time to put solar panels on it

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So I can recharge

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I'll make them look like denim pants

tulip palm
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lmao

vestal briar
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It's funny as fuck because it actually works

tulip palm
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i'm installing KSP again so i can remake my orbital basketball

vestal briar
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Nice

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He needs a belly button as a jet so it doesnt tip as easy

tulip palm
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the thing is, my basketball had weak engines but was incredibly light, so it wasn't that bad at all

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wasn't there a relatively recent KSP update that added all sorts of pre-launch delta-V calculations and stuff?

vestal briar
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But every item serves a purpose

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@tulip palm I think, yeah

tulip palm
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wow what is that chode

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i forgot what those are

vestal briar
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Hm?

tulip palm
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is it a fuel tank?

vestal briar
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monopropelent tank

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For the rcs that are his hands

tulip palm
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ah yes i remember

vestal briar
vestal briar
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I have been tuning survivability

tulip palm
vestal briar
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πŸ‘

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Well my dude can survive for an hour if you cut his legs off

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Then he has to sleep until the sun comes out

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But due to the sturdyness of the frame, he shouldn't die fully

tulip palm
vestal briar
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Wow

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Ok I had a crash landing with the mech man

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I got one foot down safely

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Not sure the state of the rest

arctic tartan
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wtf

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if i paste code at all

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i get an error message "Your message could not be delivered because you don't share a server with the recipient or you disabled direct messages on your shared server, recipient is only accepting direct messages from friends, or you were blocked by the recipient."

tulip palm
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it's probably too long

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try pasting a small amount

vestal briar
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Oh wow the rest is suprisingly ok from a 2k drop

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Not 1 peice has been damaged

tulip palm
vestal briar
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The leg just came off

arctic tartan
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print ('hello world')
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oh

rough sapphire
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!e

hello = ['h', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', ' ']
world = ['w', 'o', 'r', 'l', 'd']
print(''.join(hello + world))
royal lakeBOT
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@rough sapphire Your eval job has completed.

hello world
rough sapphire
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Almost as bad as...

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!e

lol = {1: 'A', 2: 'B', 3: 'C', 4: 'D', 5: 'E', 6: 'F', 7: 'G', 8: 'H', 9: 'I',
       10: 'J', 11: 'K', 12: 'L', 13: 'M', 14: 'N', 15: 'O', 16: 'P', 17: 'Q',
       18: 'R', 19: 'S', 20: 'T',  21: 'U', 22: 'V', 23: 'W', 24: 'X', 25: 'Y',
       26: 'Z'}

print(f"{lol[19]}{lol[15]}{lol[13]}{lol[5]}{lol[2]}{lol[15]}{lol[4]}{lol[25]} {lol[15]}{lol[14]}{lol[3]}{lol[5]} {lol[20]}{lol[15]}{lol[12]}{lol[4]} {lol[13]}{lol[5]} {lol[20]}{lol[8]}{lol[5]} {lol[23]}{lol[15]}{lol[18]}{lol[12]}{lol[4]} {lol[23]}{lol[1]}{lol[19]} {lol[7]}{lol[15]}{lol[14]}{lol[14]}{lol[1]} {lol[18]}{lol[15]}{lol[12]}{lol[12]} {lol[13]}{lol[5]}")
royal lakeBOT
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@rough sapphire Your eval job has completed.

SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME THE WORLD WAS GONNA ROLL ME
rough sapphire
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I know what you're thinking, and yes, yes it's horrible

royal lakeBOT
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Nah.

Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.

still pond
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!e

royal lakeBOT
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Out of the question.

Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.

rough sapphire
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@still pond Only Helper+ can do !e outside of #bot-commands

still pond
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Yeah I realized πŸ˜‚

rough sapphire
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stupid sexy Flanders

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GAAAHHH

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Stupid sexy Flanders!

tulip palm
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(@gentle moss)

rough sapphire
rough sapphire
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That video should be called Epic Scoot Simulator

gentle moss
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RIDDLY DIDDLY RIDDLY DIDDLY

rough sapphire
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  File "<stdin>", line 2
    print("evilnamekian is nice guy!")
        ^
IndentationError: expected an indented block
jagged fog
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that feeling when someone stars your repo okhandbutflipped

viscid hemlock
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Lol nice

jagged fog
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2 stars now for a 2y old repo..
this is better than 100k insta followers

vestal briar
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So you know that whole# maech suit ksp thing

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Well I made a quadcopter.. out of quadcopters

jagged fog
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πŸ‘

rough sapphire
frosty berry
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i have 14Β stars on my .vim repository πŸ˜†

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four on my .mutt, crazy, who cares about that