#ot1-perplexing-regexing
viscid quarry
@sullen thorn are you trying to see how many numbers in the int ?
sullen thorn
no?
worn kite
an integer is a simple, flat number. Nothing you can iterate through.
viscid quarry
huh
viscid quarry
oh i see
sullen thorn
thnx
sullen thorn
i can either do that or zip... and this seems shorter
worn kite
what is the goal?
sullen thorn
u = {k: v for k, v in zip(self.user_columns_snake, row)}
hmm ok thats not too long
thats the goal ^^
rustic crater
dict(zip(self.user_columns_snake, row)) is even shorter
worn kite
you don't need a dict comp there
worn kite
exactly, as stranac said. The dict constructor takes an iterable of key-value tuples too
sullen thorn
i've concentrated too much in c++, its rotted my brain, ive forgotten all this cool stuff
worn kite
😁
steel fox
@sullen thorn shorter isn’t always better
sullen thorn
no but im lazy
worn kite
it isn't lazy to type out a longer solution if it would take you magnitudes longer to think of a proper shorter version
sullen thorn
selective laziness 🤷
viscid quarry
hey
pssst
you guys wanna see my bad python
@bot.event
async def on_error(_, msg):
await msg.add_reaction("🚫")
cls, exc, tb = sys.exc_info()
err_str = str(cls) + ": " + str(exc.args[1]) + "\n\nTraceback:\n"
ttb = []
sep = "\\" if os.name == "nt" else "/"
for ln in traceback.format_tb(tb, 50):
ln_m = re.match(" File \"(.*)\", line (\d+), in ([^\s]+)\n(.*)", ln, re.DOTALL)
p = ln_m.group(1).split(sep)
lnn = ln_m.group(2)
tp = []
for i in p:
if not tp:
if i != "site-packages":
continue
i = "<pip_pkg>"
tp.append(i)
ttb.append(" {} : {} ({})\n{} {}".format(
sep.join(tp or p), lnn, ln_m.group(3), " " if tp else ">", ln_m.group(4)))
err_str += "".join(ttb)
print(err_str)```heeehehehehheheheheehehhehehhehhee
viscid quarry
shell blade
f'{strings}'
viscid quarry
who needs fstrings
shell blade
you do lol
steel fox
^
tired osprey
How are f Strings actually implemented in bytecode
rustic crater
That's easy to check
>>> dis.dis('f"Hello, {name}!"')
1 0 LOAD_CONST 0 ('Hello, ')
2 LOAD_NAME 0 (name)
4 FORMAT_VALUE 0
6 LOAD_CONST 1 ('!')
8 BUILD_STRING 3
10 RETURN_VALUE
Oh, no pycon highlighting in discord
robust sierra
does anyone with braces know of any good alternatives to fizzy drinks?
sullen thorn
water
robust sierra
im getting bored of that
robust sierra
too much sugar
sullen thorn
so what u want is diet coke blue?
robust sierra
dentist says i cant have diet coke and stuff like that as well
sullen thorn
too much acid?
robust sierra
ye
sullen thorn
you could make your own yoghurt based smoothies...
robust sierra
i use a straw to drink coke but i have to make sure it doesnt touch my teeth
pine vector
@robust sierra water flavorings? that's what i do. i can't stand plain water, but finally kicked the fizzies. this is my current, since Lipton dropped the Mango Tea. https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Light-Liquid-Energy-Sangria/dp/B00FY42W1W
tame terrace
plain water is crack cocaine to me, can't believe there are people who can't stand it.
tastes like life.
sullen thorn
well....
milk tastes so much better right in the morning
glass of cold milk 😃
unfortunately at uni im too lazy to have milk
but its still great
sand goblet
I hated it growing up but mostly I just drink water too now
pine vector
@tame terrace my kid is like that. different strokes i guess... 🛶
tame terrace
I think morning is when I want it the most.
pine vector
hopes the context is lost in that comment
tame terrace
first thing I do every morning is drink a bunch of ice cold water.
cobalt otter
meme:
tame terrace
cobalt otter
new meme:
sullen thorn
idk im afraid to commit
sullen thorn
im scared ill commit a private token or somethgin
sand goblet
That one is pretty bad
tulip palm
also @tame terrace i agree, water is 👌. it's my alternative for coffee, except i have to drink a metric fuck-ton to stay awake. :D
tired osprey
sand goblet
grave phoenix
sullen thorn
now gdude's maybe i can watch
tired osprey
Boot it on up, I use the force like Luke,
Got so much love for my homeboy Duke.
GNU Public Licensed, it’s open source,
Stop by my desk when you need a crash course
Written once and my script runs anywhere,
Straight thuggin’, mean muggin’ in my Aeron chair.
All the best lines of code, you know I wrote ‘em
I’ll run you out of town on your dial-up modem.
grave phoenix
Java's better just because it's multiplatform
tired osprey
they also mention it
tired osprey
Written once and my script runs anywhere,
is one of their lines
Stop by my desk when you need a crash course
Written once and my script runs anywhere,
Straight thuggin’, mean muggin’ in my Aeron chair.
All the best lines of code, you know I wrote ‘em
I’ll run you out of town on your dial-up modem.
sullen thorn
yeah i like gdudes 😃 it less cringy 😃
cobalt otter
the java one official
cobalt otter
ok this ones a bit funny
tired osprey
just no
sand goblet
None of them have been funny
cobalt otter
sand goblet
Nope
tired osprey
better for you
sonic night
no for me? 
sand goblet
Doubt I ever heard it
grave phoenix
sonic night
grave phoenix
sonic night
nanami is private 
sullen thorn
wym, thats a great meme 😃
sand goblet
You were already at the bottom
grave phoenix
cobalt otter
sonic night
last 1 tho
grave phoenix
brb lol
cobalt otter
lol ok
grave phoenix
unistd
sand goblet
Gnix
sullen thorn
your c++ obsessed teen is thinking that statically typed feels unwise? that seems unlikely
sonic night
i think i will go back to work on my project, this is getting too much 
cobalt otter
sand goblet
grave phoenix
python -m pip
cobalt otter
sullen thorn
chrome discriminates against other countries?
grave phoenix
North Korea
sullen thorn
yeah but like everyone discriminates against them
cobalt otter
sullen thorn
i see nothing wrong
cobalt otter
lol
grave phoenix
river anvil
i need some help w/ minesweeper
does this make sense?
i went over it in gimp and decided that those are the only two possible mines that correspond to the one and the two twos
im not sure though
could someone look over my math?
yes
if im understanding you correctly
what
yes and they arent
no it isnt
it couldnt be
because the one means
there is only one mine in its 3x3 radius
and so on and so fourth
cosmic quiver
Yeah that's reduced to a 1-2-1 which means the 2 are on the "sides" of the 2
river anvil
i went through with it and i was right
worn kite
I laughed way too hard at that caps lock meme above 😄
gentle moss
one of our new employees only uses capslock
but has been trying to better himself by using shift
tulip palm
@river anvil might i be too ambitious?
river anvil
oh wow
tulip palm
yours is 30x16, i'll give that a go.
tulip palm
haha :D
river anvil
its a guessing game at this point
tulip palm
have fun!
rustic crater
Did you at least use the obvious 2 on the right?
river anvil
if i think i know what youre talking about no i didnt notice it until after
rustic crater
😦
tulip palm
this is truly a sad day
tulip palm
neat.
tulip palm
i wanna try to beat 10 minutes
river anvil
alright
ive become so accustomed to this that im flagging things subconciously
without even thinking about it
river anvil
yea
tulip palm
actually, i want to also point out that the grid above started horribly
river anvil
how so?
tulip palm
this was my first click.
river anvil
lol i get those sometimes
when its just the start ill click a random one until i have something i can decode
river anvil
yes thats what i meant
around the radius of that
ill just click random ones
and if i get a mine no big deal it just started
tulip palm
this version actually starts with an open field
river anvil
oh cool
river anvil
a what
tulip palm
i dunno.
cosmic quiver
you can
tulip palm
how?
river anvil
what third one
cosmic quiver
the one next to the wall must have one
tulip palm
oh yeah that's true.
i see it.
nice spot.
i didn't notice that.
still, i worked it out.
river anvil
nah im still confused
stark prawn
Surely there must be version of minesweeper out there who fixed the guessing problem.
cosmic quiver
on the bottom there's that 1 next to the wakk
river anvil
its hard to fix
cosmic quiver
yeah there are
river anvil
yes there is one next to the wall
cosmic quiver
which means that the 1 tile next to it must have the mine in one of those 2 spots
river anvil
its not a big deal for me
tulip palm
sometimes you can calculate probabilities and stuff
cosmic quiver
which means the 3rd spot has to be blank
tulip palm
kazo gets it
river anvil
thats a good one
tulip palm
still, my 2 at the wall worked just fine
tulip palm
wat?
vapid bluff
are you freakin kidding me
river anvil
LMAO
tulip palm
and to make it even better, it has adverts.
river anvil
thats microsoft for you
tulip palm
and it's 120MB
river anvil
lol thats fair
tulip palm
for FUCKS sake
river anvil
its not hard to sandbox or check'em though
tulip palm
still, better safe than sorry.
fervent dock
only way to be safe is to write your own
river anvil
better yet make your own internet
stark prawn
You would have to trust the compiler
river anvil
build your own computer
make your own circuit board
make your own os
just to be safe :^)
tulip palm
this is my favourite pattern. red is mine, green is safe
tulip palm
i had that as my wallpaper for 3 months after terry davis died.
from august 11th to november 11th
rip
fervent dock
river anvil
whos terry davis
river anvil
lol thats the standard expert size
been the standard since it was first put on windows
tulip palm
too standard.
river anvil
some long time ago on BOB or vista or something similar
tulip palm
oh god BOB
river anvil
lol
tulip palm
deary me
river anvil
gosh im worn out from minesweeper ive been doing it for a couple hours now
tulip palm
awesome!
river anvil
hm
shell blade
💩 💩
river anvil
glass gorge
@river anvil please dont share random .exe files.
sand goblet
it's pretty sketch
shell blade
we know you want to give everyone your cold but we dont want it
river anvil
sand goblet
Oh hey, new avatar madi? :P
shell blade
damnit! how did you know
shell blade
thanks!
sand goblet
slaying as usual :v
river anvil
i dont see it in the rules but ill take your word for it
glass gorge
Its just sketchy
sand goblet
there's a clause on listening to staff, isn't there? :P
glass gorge
If you made something cool, share the git repo or .py files. We use python, and know how to run the files after all
river anvil
i dont wanna piss anyone off by arguing over stupid things
shell blade
.exe are synonymous for viruses so thats why
river anvil
i turn my tv on low brightness and play some random stuff from youtube until i get tired and pause it or fall asleep
summer rampart
.exe are synonymous for I have no idea whats in it and I'm not going to find out by doubleclicking it
shell blade
yep
sand goblet
I'm wondering if music hampers my productivity lately
I think I'm gonna experiment tomorrow
river anvil
how so?
are you just going to play music for an hour then not play it for an hour?
that approach seems iffy at best to me
shell blade
lol being up late talking with known hampered my productivity today.... and the rum
river anvil
so im curious what youre gonna do
sand goblet
Well I always play it so I'll just not.
river anvil
what will you compare it to?
stark prawn
I find relaxing music increases mine.
river anvil
whats your control group
sand goblet
Myself
sand goblet
I have it literally all the time.
sand goblet
But I'm not very productive lately, so
river anvil
compare those results to what
sand goblet
You're overcomplicating this far too much
stark prawn
I wonder how it would affect your mood as well.
river anvil
no im not this is how research is done
you do two things and compare them to eachother
glass gorge
I have music on when what I do is a natur process
sand goblet
I'm not writing a scientific journal here
glass gorge
And im not reading
sand goblet
If it isn't obvious what I'm comparing to then you're not paying attention
river anvil
i never said you were lol 😛
sand goblet
:P
glass gorge
Youre gonna go by feel?
river anvil
what are you going to compare it to
ive been asking and it seems like you just now understood what i meant :/
shell blade
what's wrong with that chibli?
glass gorge
Frick it.. I had my eyes closed for 90min. Imma just play games for the next 6 hours.
Didnt say there was anyrhing wrong with it
JustI curious
river anvil
so am i
sand goblet
It's not hard to compare against "literally not doing anything"
river anvil
so youre comparing whether or not you do better with music
....by comparing not doing it with music with not doing anything?
glass gorge
Actually no, ive been reading maths for 8-12 hours every day for the last 3 weeks
river anvil
that doesnt make sense
thats just comparing whether or not you get stuff done by doing stuff
sand goblet
Of course it doesn't, you don't know what I'm dealing with :P
river anvil
not whether or not you get more things done without music
id better just stop now, i dont think ill ever understand what youre doing
sand goblet
I get that feeling too xD
glass gorge
I think you might not just be happy with the answer you got
sand goblet
It's about motivation, not productivity
glass gorge
Man I need motivation to fix my sleep schedule
I had a good thing going witg 10pm-6am
Now its back to whenever to whatever
And usually 12h+ of sleep
sand goblet
Schedule alarms and don't change them if you go to bed late
glass gorge
I have alarms at set times
sand goblet
It sucks but it works
glass gorge
ImI just a lazy slob
sand goblet
Also don't nap
glass gorge
AndI go back to bed
sand goblet
Set multiple alarms then
glass gorge
I dont nap either
river anvil
just go to bed a couple hours before youre supposed to and close your eyes until you fall asleep
glass gorge
I have plenty
river anvil
run over things in your head that you want to do
glass gorge
sand goblet
You need them more frequent
glass gorge
Rreee
sand goblet
Like 5 minute intervals
glass gorge
Nah, I need to fix my shit
glass gorge
And wake up on the first one to avoid the fall asleep wake up even groggier circle
sand goblet
That's why you go with a short interval
lilac glade
More of them more consistently-paced is usually a good idea.
glass gorge
Shes a night owl, and loves sleeping
II just need to start not caring if she sleeps in and wake up early
vapid bluff
if the issue is noise you could get a pack of ear plugs and one of those super violent vibrating alarms
glass gorge
Some days 6-15 others 12-12
sand goblet
Lol the fucking vibrating alarms, those are hilarious
Or get that alarm with wheels that jumps off the stand and hides somewhere
glass gorge
Rofl
sand goblet
That's a thing
glass gorge
My nephew has that rocket ship alarm
vapid bluff
that being said though, ear plugs do result in every movement you do being amplified like 1000x. if you move your head on the pillow it sounds like a blizzard just passed by etc
glass gorge
Thats launches off, and d oesnt stop till you put it back
sand goblet
Yeah, it forces you to get up
glass gorge
Nothing wrong with the sound here
sand goblet
Or it won't shut up
shell blade
has anyone tried the bose sleep buds?
sand goblet
I don't know what those are but I bet they cost both of my kidneys
glass gorge
What I do want though is sunlight alarm
shell blade
yeah they are not cheap
glass gorge
Or w/e they are called
glass gorge
I mean, she wakes up to my alarms anyway
shell blade
vibrating pillows 🤔
glass gorge
AndI I guess I can turn of the light alarm
I know where im putting a vibrating pillow alarm
sand goblet
Degdeg
shell blade
lol was kinda thinking the same thing chibli
summer rampart
Get her those eye covers that airlines give
glass gorge
Lol
sand goblet
They're called blindfolds
glass gorge
Not a bad idea
sand goblet
It's a multi purpose item!
glass gorge
😏
sand goblet
Anyway, yeah, there are things you can do
glass gorge
This is a child friendly server gdude!
sand goblet
Could even hack your own with one of those zigbee lamps
glass gorge
Neh, ill just buy a natural light lamp
shell blade
i know the lamps work with the android sleep app
sand goblet
I have actually considered getting a zigbee blind roller for my window
summer rampart
get a microcontroller with an LED and wake yourself up with a cron job
shell blade
i found out that i talk in my sleep with that app
sand goblet
And using that for natural light waking
glass gorge
A what now
glass gorge
I meant the cron job
summer rampart
make it start spraying coffee everywhere so you get caffeinated by osmosis
sand goblet
There are coffee machine alarms
glass gorge
If I dont get up and grab a cup it will burn down the entire appartment
Pretty good reason to get up
sand goblet
That brew you your coffee ready for the alarm
glass gorge
And I get coffee
sand goblet
Haha
glass gorge
But id probably just hook it up to a webserver and use my phone to activate it
Like the mike learns new stuff guy did
sand goblet
There's even an amazon basics microwave that comes with alexa built in for some reason
summer rampart
not sure I fancy having a sentient microwave
glass gorge
Im deffo making my own smart home when I buy my own place
sand goblet
I've been slowly working on it
glass gorge
I doubt my grandma would enjoy it
sand goblet
Presence sensors are fun
glass gorge
I bet
I was thinking of making a sensor based mailbox lock
Which would be forced with a normal key
summer rampart
I want my bathroom lights to turn on when I enter, but change the brightness depending on time of day so I don’t get blinded by the fury of a thousand suns trying to pee at night
glass gorge
So I could open it with a key, but if I had the dingledongle it would auto unlock
That sounds convene
sand goblet
You won't be able to sense a thing on your person
glass gorge
Convenient
sand goblet
But you could use an nfc tag reader
glass gorge
What I used wasnt too important
Could have been a qr code I slipped in the mail opening for all I cared
summer rampart
give it a barcode scanner and tattoo the barcode on your body
glass gorge
Lol
summer rampart
Okay that probably isn’t that helpful
glass gorge
On your forehead!
halcyon siren
what if someone knocks him out and brings the tattoo up to it and unlocks it 
not secure enough
summer rampart
Just to open the mailbox?
halcyon siren
yes
sand goblet
I mean they could also just take the nfc tag then
glass gorge
Then they could have used my key as well
halcyon siren
2fa through an app on your phone
glass gorge
A password locked 2fa app
halcyon siren
that requires you to also hit a button behind your house within a 30 second timeframe as the use of 2fa
sand goblet
At that point it's just inconvenient again
halcyon siren
hmm
glass gorge
And have a friend twist a key 2 meters away just as you scan
halcyon siren
gotta make your life into a coop
glass gorge
Heck yw
E
halcyon siren
require your friend to pull a lever while you open the fridge door for it to actually open
summer rampart
wait but that requires a friend
summer rampart
can’t get one around here
halcyon siren
can you at least get an acquaintance?
glass gorge
2 remotes to turn on the tv, that have to be 2m apart to work
summer rampart
Imagine being rich enough to be able to hire a fridge door opener
glass gorge
Yes.
halcyon siren
ok I'm imagining
glass gorge
That is essentially what my gf is when I cook
halcyon siren
You didn't even have to hire her either, what a steal
summer rampart
hey can you get the leeks from the fridge?
summer rampart
that sounds like a hired fridge door opener for a billionaire alright
glass gorge
She likes sitting on a barstool next to it and just watch me
summer rampart
I’ll watch you and open your fridge door if it means getting food
glass gorge
So there's that, I'm a messy all over the chef, so going near me is risky
river anvil
you dont need to be a millionaire to hire a fridge opener
just get an intern and pretend youre teaching them something
summer rampart
you just need a SO
river anvil
or that
summer rampart
or that
glass gorge
Ye ill give you food to open the door
river anvil
jinx
summer rampart
weee
glass gorge
But you have to do the dishes as well
river anvil
lol
summer rampart
deal
river anvil
id rather cook
river anvil
😋
glass gorge
Air fryers are a gods gift
glass gorge
Love that thing
summer rampart
I haven’t had much experience with them
sand goblet
I have one
summer rampart
you put potato in and get fries
summer rampart
that’s all I care about it
glass gorge
Ik :(
river anvil
i have a bunch of frozen curly fries but since i dont have a fryer or an oven theyre just going to waste in my freezer 😦
sand goblet
Fry them in a pan
river anvil
you'd have to pay for shipping 😛
glass gorge
Or that
river anvil
how would i do that
sand goblet
Deep frying is fairly easy
summer rampart
Oil
glass gorge
Pan frying work well
sand goblet
Just don't be an idiot
sand goblet
Oil in a pan, yeah
river anvil
the instruction dont come with instructions to pan fry
glass gorge
Frankly you could just fry em normally too if youre desperate
summer rampart
Yeah! Where’s the curly fry documentation!
sand goblet
Dude, you know we didn't always have deep fryers right
Just take a big saucepan, put a bunch of cheap vegetable oil in it, and deep fry
river anvil
alright then ill try that when my headache goes away
river anvil
how much is too much
glass gorge
Oil is hot
sand goblet
If you set it on fire throw it outside, don't put water in it
river anvil
this sounds very dangerous
glass gorge
Put the lid on to choke the fire
sand goblet
So don't do that
river anvil
well yea id prbably do that
sand goblet
That doesn't always work and you don't always have a lid :P
river anvil
how much oil is just right
glass gorge
Who doesnt have a lid
sand goblet
I wouldn't go much higher than half way
summer rampart
lives in apartment
pan catches on fire
throws it out of the window
river anvil
my moms doing something with wires gasoline and old electronics outside which is where the freezer is and gasoline gives me a headache so ill give it a little while
sand goblet
Yeah water in an oil fire will just make it explode
river anvil
except i dont have gas...
sand goblet
I'd better sleep. Ciao.
summer rampart
I go to sleep watching Bob Ross vids
summer rampart
no mistakes
shadow nova
how could i make a website thats very similar to soundcloud???
summer rampart
you might have to ask soundcloud
shell blade
i mean you can do it in django
shell blade
see if that helps
i havent watched them
that should at least get you started @shadow nova
shadow nova
appreciate it!
rough sapphire
[0] ```py
import that
The Unrestfulness of Other Languages, by Paste Bin
Beautiful doesn't really matter.
Implicit is better than explicit.
Simple is complex.
Complex is complicated.
Everything is nested anyway.
Dense is better than sparse.
Readability is stupid.
There are no rules.
Practicality beats purity.
Don't worry about errors.
In the face of ambiguity, do whatever you want.
There should be many-- and preferably many --ways to do it.
But none of them should be obvious even if you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than right now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a good idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it's a good idea.
Namespaces don't matter -- let's do the same amount of those!```
rough sapphire
[0] @rough sapphire Your name is a bit hard to ping, you should probably change it https://pythondiscord.com/about/rules#nickname-policy
Edit: Yep, should be fine now
tough stratus
sonic night
[0] @rough sapphire made it perfect
rough sapphire
[0] ...can you stop using my name unless you have a good reason to
[0] also good job with the bot, assuming you made it
rough sapphire
[0] ...i still don't really see why you're doing that at all
sonic night
[None] because you all are doing it too
rough sapphire
[0] so you're just pointlessly copying us
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] what's happening here
sonic night
[None] :sataniathink:
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] lol
sonic night
[None] why i cant paste
:sataniathink:
[0] this is getting ridiculous
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] ? what is
sonic night
[None] <:sataniathink:40 3584908116754435>
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] satan is bad
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] dont praise
rough sapphire
[0] the fact that you're all beginning your messages with something in brackets []
sonic night
[None] 
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] what ? what do you mean
rough sapphire
[0] you're doing it
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] doing what ?
sonic night
[None] what?
rough sapphire
[0]
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] hey wtf how is my name underlined ?
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] that's so cool
sonic night
[None] ["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] uwu
rough sapphire
[0] we edited the image
shell blade
guys just leave him alone
rough sapphire
[0] ^
sonic night
[None] them*
gentle moss
["i", "eat", "bricks"] this is dumb
viscid quarry
["Squiggles! ☆* . o(≧▽≦)o . *☆"] whoa that's hit af
sonic night
[{'content':chunk} for chunk in chunkify(result)] oof
sonic night
combo breaker
sand goblet
this is not what the community strived to be
sonic night
i never saw [1] tho
viscid quarry
rough sapphire
[0] you probably would have if gdude didn't stop you...
shell blade
exactly although there is no way to confirm, if that person is how that person says they are. If they are truly that way then your pretty much harassing them for having a disorder, that goes against tos and its just being a shitty human for poking fun at someone for being like that
zinc sail
@rough sapphire please turn off whatever you're using to modify the client, not only does it violate Discord's Terms of Service, it's annoying
sand goblet
they don't seem to be modifying the client
rough sapphire
[0] we are not modifying the client. we manually type [0] (or [1] or [2] in some cases) at the start of every message.
EDIT: (placeholder).
sonic night
i tot i will get a warning from ELA
sand goblet
ELA, are you really telling someone off for representing their mental state in the only reasonable manner they can?
bleak lintel
give up on the message prefixing or it'll be considered spam.
sand goblet
it's kind of hard to run 3 clients on one machine
grave phoenix
sand goblet
well, there isn't anything I can do since I'm not staff anymore I guess
kinda sad they forgot that I used to be a system as well though
sonic night
everynyan knows it
rough sapphire
there is a reason we do it. if you want to know why, scroll up a bit in #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare, DM us, or both. we are not going to talk here any more unless the staff allow us to type [0] or [1] or [2] at the beginning of messages. if that means we never talk here ever again then we won't. bye... possibly... ._.
Edit: Actually, nevermind.
bleak lintel
ok, thanks
sand goblet
Guess I'll be joining you on that one then
tulip palm
🤔
shell blade
fucking ridiculous
tulip palm
what is?
shell blade
how this was handled
sand goblet
definitely not the staff team I knew
bleak lintel
We are working with the users now.
tame terrace
okay.
for everyones information, first of all, we've reached a compromise with pastebin.
secondly what the fuck @sonic night and @viscid quarry
sonic night
i am sorry 
royal lakeBOT
tame terrace
see what that says?
don't fucking bully people.
!tempmute @sonic night 48h ganging up on another user and making fun of the way they typed. clear violation of rule 3.
royal lakeBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: muted @sonic night until Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:54:51 GMT (ganging up on another user and making fun of the way they typed. clear violation of rule 3.).
tired osprey
oof
tame terrace
!tempmute @viscid quarry 48h ganging up on another user and making fun of the way they typed. clear violation of rule 3.
royal lakeBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: muted @viscid quarry until Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:55:04 GMT (ganging up on another user and making fun of the way they typed. clear violation of rule 3.).
tired osprey
double oof
plucky ridge
Enough with the "oof" nix
tame terrace
I don't wanna see this kind of thing in here again. some people are different. deal with it. if they ask you to stop, you stop.
plucky ridge
If you have nothing to say, instead of saying "oof" just don't say anything, seriously.
shell blade
I have some thinking to do about everything that happened, I feel like some awareness on MH issues would benefit everyone.. I aslo feel being told I'm not staff don't get involved from staff wasn't right either. If i see stuff like this happening I feel like I have a right to say something.
tame terrace
you just said.
you've been saying quite a bit.
imo, you guys should've just pinged <@&267629731250176001>
sand goblet
How would that have..
tired osprey
(what does MH stand for in this context)
bleak lintel
mental health
sand goblet
For the guys that were bullying yeah, that's fair
I don't see how pinging moderators over a moderator and an owner would help :P
shell blade
Were suppose to be a community i shouldn't have to ping mods when their is a issue
ebon quarry
now thats a game i havent heard of in forever
sand goblet
I was gonna just DM you myself later if you hadn't said anything
plucky ridge
Mady, we can't expect to be on at all times
tame terrace
of course you should ping moderators when there's an issue. that's what they're for. and in this case, this was allowed to go on for a long time before staff even noticed.
plucky ridge
You help us by letting us know when something's going on. We are all volenteers here
tame terrace
because they don't vigorously moderate off topic
shell blade
im no saying that hem im saying that if i see something like thati have a right to tell them to knock it off before i get mods involved
plucky ridge
To a point, but we are the ones who should be seen as the bad guys
People tend to back down a lot faster, and in a more calm manner when they're told to stop by admins rather than regular users
Let us take care of the situation, let us be the bad guys
shell blade
I totally get what your saying but as a community we have to be able to stand up for each other too, that helps foster friendships and makes people want to be here too
tame terrace
by all means tell them to knock it off. but it's nice if you can let us know so we can respond in a more official capacity when something like this is going on.
I don't think anyone actually admonished you directly
plucky ridge
I certainly am not
tame terrace
so I'm a bit confused by your response.
plucky ridge
I'm glad you guys stood up for what you think is right, but when things started reaching a tipping point, it's best to let staff know
tame terrace
there was just a general statement that people should stop acting like mods. and I think the primary thing that comment was addressing was the fact that instead of alerting staff to the ongoing situation, you'd all just taken it into your own hands
sand goblet
I don't think the tipping point was the users bullying though
For me, the tipping point was staff appearing apparently hostile to the user
That's what pissed me off
tame terrace
that was already adressed.
plucky ridge
Lemon and I are resolving this and making an offical response
sand goblet
No it wasn't
plucky ridge
Don't duck face during this, please
sand goblet
Huh?
shell blade
what do you mean by duck face hem?
tame terrace
probably refering to the :v emote
sand goblet
I didn't know that was a duck ._.
tame terrace
it has a beak
anyway that's neither here nor there.
the staff probably jumped the gun a bit because they did not understanding the situation until it was later explained.
shell blade
i was just using a arrow to agree with him sorry
tame terrace
we've discussed it internally
we've contacted the user and worked it out with them
initially staff thought it was a client mod
plucky ridge
You're fine, Madi.
tame terrace
then they thought it was trolling
the explanation was posted in a different channel
why don't you cut them some slack
sand goblet
Alright, I guess I can't explain it in a way you'll get it
tame terrace
the fuck
shell blade
i guess if they didn't know the entire situation i can def understand that
sand goblet
I can totally understand that
tame terrace
once the situation was clear, we responded to it in a way I can get behind. before then, there was chaos, and people trying to contain it. it's not that easy to read a situation like this. we're all human.
tame terrace
to whom?
to you?
we've already talked directly with the user.
I thought I made that clear.
sand goblet
Alright, just forget it then
shell blade
well I think we all learned something and at the least there is a positive in that
ill do better to get mods involved sooner in stuff like that i guess
tame terrace
rest assured that we evaluate all these kinds of situations internally and learn from them, as well.
for whatever that's worth.
shell blade
would it be possible to dm you at a later date probably next week to talk about Mh stuff and what we can do better?
tame terrace
my DMs are always open.
shell blade
great thanks
shadow nova
could one make a dvd menu in pygame
shell blade
I havent used anything else so i dunno
did you figure out your soundcloud esk webapp?
shadow nova
yeah i've started following a django tutorial
fervent dock
@shadow nova have you been able to fix the problem with the words yersterday?
rough sapphire
what did I miss
shadow nova
the fuck is g̀ͬͥř͂ͤe͑̋͊eͬ̅̊҉̴͇̱n̓̍ͩ ͣ̉̾b͆̋̾҉̺̠͢o͗ͪͧo̾̂̂k͛ͬ͐
tame pier
Unicode?
river anvil
hey KE
granite lake
@river anvil 👋
river anvil
hey jason
river anvil
uh im not sure i only have 24hr clock on my phone
granite lake
1:18am for me
river anvil
i spent all my energy today working on rich presence and don't feel like coding anymore
rich presence is a pain
well not it itsself
granite lake
I feel you man
river anvil
but my coding abilities 😛
granite lake
I had this experience when trying to implement some encryption
The docs are terrible
smh
river anvil
i was actually waiting for KE to get on and see if i could pick his brain a bit
tame pier
What for?
river anvil
oh cool you're on, i was wondering if there's a way to put a null option when updating
granite lake
updating ?
tame pier
context required
river anvil
lemme get on my laptop 1min
vapid bluff
anyone else getting NXDOMAIN for http://www.alternative.to/
?
ah derp it's https://alternativeto.net/
vapid bluff
Alternative search engine - Find best product, place, solution, answer. Compare all alternative to choose best one.
that's what the google description says
does much more than just software apparently
stark prawn
river anvil
this looks like one of those fake languages schools would use
stark prawn
how so
river anvil
its basic without much functionality while incredibly easy to learn
stark prawn
Using this for teaching wouldn't make any sense
glass gorge
Man i have no motivation to do work, at work today
I spent the first hours just fixing my 2FA, now im still playing that card if anyone askes what im doing..
sand goblet
rough sapphire
is Egypt going to be part of the EU
tired osprey
It's satire
obsidian hazel
Hello, I'm Clod 😋 (I'm new)
granite lake
@obsidian hazel welcome
river anvil
@sand goblet going off of what you said earlier about emulating games not being piracy if you have bought them first does the same thing apply to other media?
just curious on your opinion
summer rampart
I don’t think having mp3 files if you bought the CD is piracy
river anvil
i ripped uh greenday off a cd i had like a year ago
but i mean all types of media
and i wanna hear gdudes opinion on it specifcially
summer rampart
sure
but I also downloaded games from ahem sites that I own in steam because steam doesn’t currently work for me and I don’t consider that piracy either
worn kite
from what I remember (not a lawyer, might also be specific to German rights), there are clauses about personal use and personal backup copies which allow this specifically
on the other hand, you have clauses about not being allowed to do this in many EULAs and other agreements, but idk if these are even legally enforceable or rather void
river anvil
okay kind of unrelated to this but is listening to a song on youtube considered piracy
^if the artists didnt put it on youtube or any other free streaming service
is that piracy then?
summer rampart
I'd say it's Youtube that's facilitating the videos therefore the responsibility falls on them
tame terrace
duplicating music is piracy, not listening to music (of any kind).
if you download the music from youtube with one of those youtube downloaders, then that might be piracy.
river anvil
its also breaking the tos :^)
tame terrace
and yes you can legally make copies of music or games you own.
tame terrace
but the problem with piracy law is that it's hard to predict what these massive media companies will be able to convict you for given the right amount of motivation.
piracy convictions are ridiculous.
river anvil
the most theyll do is threaten the ISP
tame terrace
often unprecedented
river anvil
unless youre a big figure
then theyll probably sue you to get the message across
but if youre just an average joe with a vpn youll be fine
tame terrace
that's not true, there have been cases of people facing huge fines and even prison in many countries for just having pirated a movie or something.
river anvil
from the companies atleast
tame terrace
but it's rare
tame terrace
and mostly america / sweden
river anvil
yea
tame terrace
at least the cases I've heard of
river anvil
ive only heard of companies and people who were huge figures in the community getting punished
summer rampart
there are people getting convicted due to a EULA, which just sounds ridiculous because companies try to make EULAs as lawyer-babblespeak-gibberish as humanly possible
river anvil
and also the scene groups
tame terrace
tbh copyright law is a big mess.
river anvil
its also much more convienent to pirate something
tame terrace
full of lobbying and unprecedented rulings and law firms with too much money.
river anvil
im often torn because i dont want to steal the media but i also dont want to pay for something that is very obviously hard to use and then just download it elsewhere
summer rampart
which is imo, one of the main points to consider when trying to reduce piracy